 What up ladies and gents, it's been a little bit and this is going to be the updated tier list for PvP in SOD and as usual this is going to be for BGs and group play, so Blood Moon, things like that. We're going to do a separate video on duels, should be later this week, maybe next week, just trying to get all the info from other top players that have been dueling a lot, so getting their opinions on where their class stands in that. So I want to try and make the best dueling tier list I can for you at the moment as it's really been starting to pop off a little bit more as the primary, I guess, content the PvP is doing along with pre-made Warsome Gulch. Now for group PvP we're going to be starting out with Affliction Lock and this is going to be low down, this is in the D tier and it's been there for a little while. Next phase is going to start popping off a little bit more but right now the damage on it is relatively low and the survivability on it unless they run meta is also relatively low and the drawback obviously if they run meta is that they can't use fear and they're not going to have horn available to them so a lot of drawbacks regardless of which way they go along with that the AoE damage of the spec isn't that high so you either really need to be very tanky putting out a lot of single target pressure or putting out a lot of AoE pressure to sort of make it into the higher tiers of this list and I'll try and explain as I go but as I said this is an update so some things are going to be different to the last tier list I've done some things have obviously had buffs some things about nerfs when it comes to you know the most recent changes by Blizzard so I'm trying to incorporate those as best I can obviously things are changing all the time if you want the most updated version of this list then I suggest going over to my discord as I keep this as more updated than I do on YouTube in the sub channel obviously I can't make a video every single time with you one class going up a tier or down a tier it's just gonna be ridiculous next up we've got arcane mage and arcane mage has got not too bad single target pressure especially if they run arcane surge where you know they can potentially one shot somebody wants every two minutes but it does leave them relatively vulnerable since they'll be in afterwards and it is a kind of gimmicky gimmicky spec generally stronger in duels as the AoE pressure again isn't that high obviously you could do the AoE blood farm during blood moon but that now has been nerfed so that the AoE damage on the altars is significantly reduced so they're gonna be in the C tier next up we've got arms warrior now arms warrior again hasn't really changed that much over the course of phase two I would still say it's around you know be tier still providing good utility and you know health for the team good engage and I would say the good engage and the mortal strike are the main perks of this they're I guess rivalry or closest competitor for their niche right now I would say is enhancement shaman which is actually really really strong right now so warrior bit more of a secondary pick however you know taking both along isn't gonna hurt being able to put up that healing debuff is definitely gonna cause a lot of problems for the other team in terms of keeping people alive especially we've had burst dsod is right now so if they didn't have that they would be a little bit lower their damage isn't amazing but backed by a healer and you know with very very good gear they can definitely still dish out some some hurt while at the same time being very tanky so they're you know mid-beat here I would say something like that right now there are a couple of other specs that are ahead of them still we're gonna skip assassination and we're just gonna do one rogue spec as it really does over complicate things otherwise so we're gonna leave that one for now I'm gonna move on to boomy which is still firmly in the S tier although they had their star surge nerfed their casting is still really really strong with eclipse and even if they do get a target on them they still have good kiting potential with travel form and they have decent you know okay instant damage available to them plus obviously the opportunity to run wild growth as well to be a very good support healer leaves them very very highly valued in group combat so they are our first class in the S tier so next up we've got BM hunter and they have fallen a little bit off the top with changes over the kind of past two phases but they still are really really strong the pet is dealing out massive amounts of damage and obviously now is unfearable if they pop bees within you really do have to kind of focus down this pet otherwise you're gonna get massive pushback and damage from it and it's going to start causing you problems once the pet is dead however they are pretty vulnerable so this is what I think for me has put them down a little bit into a tier now next up we've got shadow priests and to be honest this phase shadow priests really are cooking and speaking of cooking this video is actually sponsored by hello fresh if you've been living under a rock and don't know what hello fresh is it's a meal kit that deliver all the ingredients pre-portioned for your chosen meals right to your house there's easy to follow instructions for each meal so that even if you're new to cooking you can make yourself high quality food that's healthier than just getting a takeaway this is hello fresh's biggest menu yet with over 45 recipes to choose from so that they have something for everybody there's low calorie options high protein options there's speedy options that take less than 20 minutes to cook I know there's some older lads watching too so if you have kids or just a picky wife 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sponsorship a little bit too much uh forgot who we're doing a tier list getting back to it now though Ellie Shaman is in a tier I would say a little bit ahead of BM Hunter they are very very scary if they get to cast the saving grace is that flameshark is only 20 yard range but if you do get a flameshark on you and take a lava burst to the face you're gonna feel it so watch out for Ellie Shaman's gonna be very very strong in the back line if they are allowed to cast next up and this is this has been kind of like a dark horse coming up but they've received buff after buff and I actually think they're in sort of lower s tier now uh maybe maybe shadow is the top of s tier maybe boomie it is very close I'm gonna leave it there for now but enhancement definitely breaking into the s tier they're really really really tanky with way and if they get to you they really do dish out a lot of damage now so the the one thing that you can kind of count on is their mobility being a little bit bad so you really do have to try and kite them where possible but if they get to you and they stick on you there are a problem and they got tremor totem they got they got decoy totem to stick on you with the freedom they got purge they got shocks they got high amounts of burst damage they're a nightmare one so yeah enhanced shamans are really up there right now and probably the number one if you're going to bring a sort of tanky class to your group for blood moon enhancers probably got to be it at the moment next up we've got a destro in fact that's a lie we've got demo locks and demo locks this is obviously going to be the sole link lock with meta this is going to be I would say in the c tier just because they're kind of tanky and annoying they resist a lot but their damage is just not not great although it is instant with the searing pain the the overall pressure that they put out isn't that high so they're more like a front line kind of guy and then it's just like well why would you bring one over for example an enhanced shaman so they're kind of low down on the tier list for me next up we've got destro and destro again it plays kind of the same way as meta they're a little bit less tanky but the damage is just way higher with all the fire bonus damage talents in the destro tree they they make the searing pain spam in meta form a lot more problematic and and it's just really really obnoxious where you've just got this meta will look running you pressing one button and actually doing problematic damage so they're in the b tier for me potentially you know overtaking arms warrior even just a little bit I would say still very very annoying to deal with next up we've got the feral druid and feral has kind of this spec where they can play in bear form they can push in be quite tanky in the bear form obviously feral charging in and doing a lot of aoe damage in the group battles while being quite tanky so I think they're up in the b tier as well right now their main flaw right now is that they can't really shift that freely without going boom so maybe we'll see a little bit more of that when they get some more talents in future phases and they'll become a little bit more of a threat I think they're kind of again they're building up towards being a very very strong spec and next up we've got fire mage and fire mage obviously been I think slowly rising through the ranks I think I'm going to put them in a tier as well just a little bit behind ellie but their aoe damage is insane obviously with living bomb living flame even though it just got recently changed it's still quite annoying to deal with as long as they you know pop it from a relatively close range so they can almost use it defensively now and yeah if they are left alone they can put out really high single target damage as well with hot streak instant pyros coming out and all of that good stuff so yeah fire mage up and come in I'd say for sure and definitely worth grabbing one of these if you're running any kind of cast a cleave comp I would say for blood moon frost mage however is is dying for me in like d tier definitely has potential with duels but in group combat the single target damage isn't that high yeah okay you can bring one for implicit but then it begs the question well why wouldn't you just bring a survival hunter so yeah the frost mage not really putting out enough pressure for me to actually break into sort of higher tiers maybe that will change when they get deep freeze later on they have a little bit more control and you'll bring the frost mage for you know that control control class but their the their reward for actually getting frost bolts off isn't really that high compared to other classes where you know ellie if they get casted in boomy fire mage um even destroy log if you let them cast they will punish you and for frost mage just doesn't do that for me at the moment so that's why I've got them a little bit further down uh fury war I haven't really seen many of so I'm going to just leave that out for now mm hunter again you can have really like a biscuit mm hunter and they still won't cause you that many problems and it's just begs the question why would you bring an mm hunter over either a bm or a survival where the survival obviously has a lot more utility talents available to them and you know survival talents where they have a lot of hp um and can cause a lot of problems with things like entrapment whereas mm the single target damage just isn't high enough to justify bringing one over the other specs for me so I'm putting them in I would say a little bit ahead of of demo lock same sort of you know areas arcane mage where they do have a little bit of single target damage but not regularly enough to to make them worth bringing over other specs I would say next we've got ret and probably top a beast beat it for ret obviously very obnoxious running in and and having that bubble for uh survivability if they get low they can move out with it they can kill people in it they obviously have hodge they have pretty decent burst damage at the moment as well so they are a bit of a pain to sort of kill and deal with quickly if they do push into you and this allows if they have a back line the the back line to sort of turret on you and cause a little bit of pressure while this ret is just in your face uh and you know forcing you to deal with him before anything else can really happen in the fight so yeah I think ret's definitely a solid pick and and probably only second to an enhancement shaman in terms of like that melee getting in your face and causing problems uh subrogue is I think just eight here dishing out insane damage with the lower energy cost mutilate still and they have loads of utility loads of mobility with step uh sprint they got the stealth step as well so yeah they have a lot of options to move around and you know survive be slippery so a good rogue is definitely gonna cause problems however they are kind of squishy so if you do manage to catch them sort of pushing in onto you rather than appealing for their own team then you do have uh you know a pretty good chance of taking them down in in good time compared to something like enhance shaman but they they feel a slightly different niche I would say in that regard they're more of a lockdown speck compared to enhance which is more of a tank speck both obviously dishing out very good damage which is why they earn their high places in the tier list survival I think survival has fallen off a little bit especially since the melee nerfs survival I think now plays a little bit more ranged slash utility in terms of trap launcher and trap and uh overall slows and then some range damage and just pet annoyance so for me obviously bringing line as well is is pretty strong I'll probably put them around here as they are they are just a good group utility class to bring now similar to to arms warriors and they bring a few different things but they're sort of in the same ballpark I would say that I think is going to be our final dps class on the tier list right now and things shaping up quite nicely actually there really isn't that much in it for me between sort of like I think the s tier class is sort of stand a little bit above but like a tier down to beat here I mean there isn't that that much in it there is there is it obviously a difference but they are definitely closer than they have been previously and I think with the small amount of patches that blizzard has actually done okay yeah there are some things that aren't perfectly balanced but you know considering we haven't had that many changes realistically I think they've actually done a relatively good job with you know getting things in a rough roughly correct ballpark obviously some things need tweaking some things need some love but you know without doing sort of 10 20 patches to try and get everything you know perfectly right I think they're doing a good job so excited to see where it is going forward and I think we're probably about halfway through the phase at the moment so yeah we'll see how we go moving forward and and how things look maybe I'll do another one of these videos maybe another one won't be needed as I said I will update the the tier list in the sub channel on the discord if you want constant updates but they're likely won't be anything massive probably we'll see anyway thank you very much for watching I hope it was helpful I hope that my thought process makes sense if anything is sort of not sitting right with you if you play a certain class and you're like actually my class is a bit stronger than that for these reasons please do let me know in the comments I'm happy to discuss it and you know try and try and adjust maybe and get things looking a little bit more correct obviously this is my opinion and there's probably things that are not quite right but we'll see anyway have a great day