 I think some I think we tend to have all of us together could like to collectively at this point I think we we tend to get caught up in in Nephilim tunnel vision. Yeah, you're a Nephilim. They're a Nephilim everywhere a Nephilim Nephilim fatigue. Yeah, Nephilim fatigue is Certainly set in for a lot of people. Yeah, everything isn't a Nephilim and everything isn't about Nephilim. Nephilim are one variable in a very complex equation and And they they're very specific that's a very specific phenomenon that happened on earth in the Golden Age and continued in a post-flood context to some degree. So It depends on how you define a Nephilim to answer that gentlemen's question. I think it was a man And if you define a Nephilim as some people do as any aberration Any genetic aberration that is not human Mixed with with with human DNA if that's a Nephilim Then we already have them here because it's making all kind of crazy things right now if you but if you define a Nephilim specifically as an entity that has the genetic material from from the watchers on some level Then that's a very specific. That's a very precise definition So in order to have a reemergence of those beings in the earth We would need a preserved line preserved genetic line going back to the watchers, which I believe does exist in the earth and That's that's much more of a precise definition. So I think I think we should We should Widen the boundary of the way we think about these things and go a little bit beyond the Nephilim paradigm and Widen the playing field so to speak and allow for other entities to be involved that aren't Nephilim, right? for example, is there an indigenous race of creatures in my view most probably reptilian creatures That were here before us on the earth. Yeah, I think that there's a very good possibility that that that statement that the answer to that question is in the affirmative and I do think that Certainly certainly without question There are entities that are not human and are not Nephilim have nothing to do with Nephilim, right that are that are existent in the universe and Exist within the hierarchy exist within the order exists within the cosmos of the universe the order of the universe As ordered by the way by God. Yeah, and so but then again, are there other entities? That have nothing to do with the Nephilim that are extraterrestrial in origin that are artificially conceived There's a whole nother category. Isn't that a whole nother category? Definitely those creatures be Nephilim. No No, they have nothing to do with the the offspring of Watchers and human females Or anything to do with that genetic line. Let's say for the sake of argument that the gray Aliens are from Mars And and the gray aliens are actually not the little guys The the the source of the gray aliens aren't the little three to four foot tall Large-headed black-eyed beings that in fact those guys are the are Drones some kind of a clone Let's call them clones right sake of argument the that those little guys are clones and the in the real grays so to speak are Are are the ones that are in control and made those clones? Devised could Conceived those clones through technological means possibly using human DNA and the DNA of who knows what okay, so In that case if the grays are clones the little guys If those are clones can those things be classified as Nephilim the answer is simply no they cannot Neither can they be classified as demons Aliens aliens are not demons demons are The tradition in the traditional context a demon is I should say in the in the biblical context a demon is the disembodied spirit of a fallen Nephilim of a dead specifically a dead giant But also if you subscribe if you if you've Subscribed the narrative of the book of Giants the Watchers didn't just copulate with human women. They procreated with animals. Yeah Are those Nephilim? Okay, I suppose that those are Nephilim as well But if you have so the so and and The disembodied spirits of the Giants according to the book of Inak are the unclean spirits They're called the unclean spirits by the way in the New Testament. Yes evil spirits is what they're called in the book and the book of Inak so these are the these are the possessing spirits. Why do they possess human bodies because they want bodies They don't have them. They're disembodied. It's torturous. This is a this is a condemnation that they're enduring It's it's it's it's an extreme form of torture to to you're supposed to have a body But you don't have one. I mean imagine that yeah, you're hungry. You're thirsty You have all the desires of the flesh, but you have no flesh so what do you want flesh and Specifically what kind of flesh do you want that kind of flesh that is most analogous to the kind of flesh you had and Anatomy that is in some way similar and what is that human beings, right? What your mother was in other words, you know your mother's relatives and so you're gonna go after human flesh And what do you want? You want to embody that person you want to experience all the lust of the flesh That's all you want. You're not involved in some kind of a Cosmic conspiracy You're not you're not running the Illuminati or anything like that. All you care about is getting a body. That's it period end of story Have you ever encountered a demon possessed person? They're not the entities that are inhabiting these people are not Interested in in the Bilderberg group, right? These are these are very much like The the the depiction in the movie the exorcist these these entities just want to torment you and they just want to use your flesh and They want to and they want to experience the lust of the flesh and food and drink and all of that because that's all they care about their ravenous That's one kind of entity now you tell me I've encountered these things these these these unclean spirits. They're disgusting. They're ravenous. They're wicked. They're offensive They're intelligent, right All they want is a body Okay They're sexual they're driven sexually they want to use your body for sexual purposes But then they also want to damage it revenge. They hate their mothers Yeah, their fathers are the watchers. So they esteem their fathers. They hate their lowly mothers. So And the race from which they come and so they hate their their state their their situation this cursed Situation that they have to endure they want to be like their fathers Eternal powerful But instead their vagabonds and the only thing that they can do to satisfy the lust of their flesh is inhabit human beings and So they they're full of vengeance and wrath Okay Now think about a gray alien Right right stoic little being there's a little drone being doesn't even have sexual organs So why the heck would you as a demon want to inhabit that thing Right have it a pig You'd rather inhabit a dog a mouse Yeah, something that has sexual organs and and and and so forth and and and eats and and and is much more Carnally oriented than a better than a friggin gray alien So, you know, it doesn't make any sense. That's trying to make everything a Nephilim Right, right. So the gray aliens the only paradigm that a lot of people have is the Nephilimary And so they got it they got a force those two things together in order for their world view to make any sense Which is which is what people do with a lot of different topics by the way So so so great. I can guarantee you that a gray alien has nothing to do with a demon Now are they demonic? Well, if you if what you mean is are they nefarious? I Would say that abducting people and so forth. That's very Nefarious activity. So yes, I think that gray aliens are nefarious. And so in that sense demonic But do they have anything to do with Nephilim or even watchers? You know, I know that it's a popular view that the that the that the grays or watchers are the watchers I don't think so and Again, I'm getting deeper into my book that I want to but but I want you to think about something See, see you you if you just read the narrative and you look at the story and you make logical inferences Things fit together better, right example, for example, what kind of a being is gonna look down at the earth and lust over the daughters of Eve? reptile No, not necessarily Some kind of a gray alien type creature with no sex organs at all very unlikely How about something that looks like us, right? How about I should say that's really not the way that we look like them, right? A group of beings that are very much like us very very much like us. They're not us But but we're siblings We're cousins we can copulate We're so close that we can mate And I think that's I think that's just a logical inference. So you have the sons of God Who are looking down at the daughters of men and they're going that's a female version of me basically Yeah, we don't have those here Right How come they get those and when I say those It's a compliment to all women listening to this show You're not saying those things They're looking down and they're seeing these females. Yeah, they didn't get females, right, but Adam got a female and And and and yet and now they're not just jealous. They're lusting whoa That right there tells me that these the sons of God Are very much like us Very very much like they're not us. They're not human But I think we can accurately Consider them our elder siblings. They're like us. In fact, the Bible says that we're gonna be sons of God not Not in the sense that their sons of God not in the sense that we're gonna be of the exact species of what they are But we're gonna be like them Right, it's more like a status instead of a yes, but Jesus says that we're gonna be like them Yeah, and then he says being sons of the resurrection Hmm, what does that tell me that tells me that Adam was a whole heck of a lot like them That's what that tells me because that's the purpose of the resurrection It restores the human race to the original blueprint of Adam, but in the second Adam and so Adam was Very much like them. Is there a biblical precedent for this? Yes. He made us to be a little lower Than the angels, right? we're the younger siblings and We're like them enough to where they can a lust after us and be copulate with us It's very simple for me. I don't I don't complicate it beyond that. So so for me The watchers are like us They're lusting after our women They're copulating with them when they produce offspring. They just look like big versions of us Right, so you got to put two and two together and you know, it's it's uh, it's just again, it's logical inference and so We're very much you see where it's it's it's not like people think let's just put it that way It was it's not like I thought so reality is quite different than what we think on every level and you know One of our first interviews I Was I was talking about like demons and fallen angels and aliens and you know at that time I didn't really use the term aliens to refer to anything like that and then you you rightfully so you kind of challenged me on that for The reasons that you've already laid out in this interview But you said, you know, you might want to get used to using this word Aliens and here's several reasons why you know, you told me that an email or a message or something And that really got me thinking because I thought okay up until now. I hadn't heard a Christian actually talk like that. I've only heard people from ancient aliens talk like that and you know They're they're they're wrong and they're garbage and they're evil So I don't want to use any of their terminology, but here was this Christian friend that I had that was You know making some really good points again very very similar to the points that you're making tonight And so I started thinking about that that led to a lot of the research I was doing on Leviathan chaos and and what led eventually led to the book that me and Derek wrote the day the earth stands Standstill and in that research it just cannot be denied the Christian worldview the actual biblical worldview if you if you put Off some of our traditions, you know, some of our modern traditions for a little bit and just look at the actual biblical narrative It is perfectly positioned to Accept a view that includes like you said that have nothing to do with Nephilim or demons or any of it But that that that includes Other planets with other sentient beings and all that stuff who may be even interacting with us So the big question of the night, I gotta ask you this In light of all that because I know that this is gonna be brand new to a lot of people How do we parse out these these beings these definitions these names that we You know apply to anything. That's not human. We have fallen angel demon aliens extraterrestrial grey aliens reptilians And a lot of times we as Christians try to kind of cross pollinate all these things How do we how do we parse this out? And how do we actually look at these beings if there are other physical beings in the universe? Does their culture have to have anything to do with us or if they are interacting? How do we look at that from a biblical worldview? Well, the first thing we do is we embrace the complexity right and we don't we don't try and reduce it Into something that is more satisfactory to our current paradigm We embrace the complexity and we allow our paradigm to conform to reality You have to you have to do that if you're a scientist, I mean we've been doing it for years We've been updating our knowledge over the centuries, especially over the last century Right updating our knowledge and now our perception yours and mine and everybody listening has conformed to what we know about reality Even though it wouldn't have fit the paradigm of our great great grandparents We now know it to be true things such as quantum mechanics and we have conformed and now only have we conformed to these realities we we've we've Invented technologies that that are operating on them like the one we're using right now, for example, so First thing you have to do is you have to embrace the complexity. Don't fear it embrace it and and haven't understood have the You have to have the proper paradigm. First of all, your paradigm has to be centered properly Center your paradigm on Christ not on yourself not on the human race not on planet earth not on your conceptualization of Biblical cosmology or whatever Christ is the center of all things Christ is all and in all and so That's the first thing you do and once once you do that Younger earth older earth aliens no aliens irrelevant It no longer it no longer matters to your to your paradigm as it relates to the gospel and So that's the first thing people have to do Do not have a human-centric paradigm. That's the major problem Everybody almost everybody has a human cent Christians. I mean have a human centric paradigm have a Christ centric paradigm. That's that's that's essential and then Allow yourself to make logical inferences even if they're uncomfortable and let things be what they are right and Don't try and force everything into the same narrative. Don't try and make everything a Nephilim Don't try and make everything a demon. Yes There's the universe is complex. How do I know the earth is complex, right? There's nothing simple about Physics right the fundamental building blocks of our reality is nothing but complex And we don't fully understand it at all and just because we don't have to understand it That's right. That's right. I mean mathematics is is is not simple Astronomy is not simple, but all those all of these things are realities that that we all interact with every day Biology is by no means simple human biology for one thing billions and billions trillions. I think it is Of cells at least billions in your body all operating how You're not giving any of these cells orders. You're not telling them what to do It's only within the last hundred years that we've even begun to understand The constituents of human biology at the cell cellular level level Let alone at the subatomic level so Everything is complex. Okay, that's rule number one to understanding the universe everything is Complex and the problem is you have and by the way, it's not just three-dimensional complexity It's hyper-dimensional complexity. Yes, so it's even more complex than we can conceptualize. We can't even conceptualize Most of what's out there. I call it perceptual that dark matter Yeah, so so most of the stuff around us is perceptual dark matter and So we have this limited biology. That's in a degenerate condition Adam was much more spectacular than we are We have this limited broken-down Biology with which to interact with the world and understand comprehend the world around us So we have a problem of perception. I call it perceptual cataracts. We have perceptual cataracts Paul said we see as in a mirror dimly or through a glass darkly. Guess what that is. That's cataracts That's right. We got scales on our eyes. We have perceptual cataracts. Yeah, that's what I call it my book and And so we're seeing through a mirror dimly We can barely make out the contours of reality and and and besides that we have we have We have Poorly functioning brains. Yeah to boot We're not all that intelligent Compared to a rat. Yeah, we can celebrate our intelligence compared to a rat or even a chimpanzee but compare us to The elder race right there's our elder siblings and we look pretty stupid Yeah, oh You know, we have a problem of perception by the way Adam this does not pertain to the original blueprint of humanity This pertains to our degenerate condition the human condition of sin and death degenerated over Thousands of years. This is what we are now. So now we have technology. That's great That helps us understand things that we couldn't otherwise understand but but our ability to process information has declined Has has exponentially declined since Adam And our perceptive capabilities have exponentially declined since Adam. Okay. Well, here's a problem We're not entirely quote-unquote physical beings Mm-hmm. That's right. We know that we're not so why can't we perceive the other part of us? Yeah, they're But why can't we perceive it? Why can't we see? It's it's because of this perceptual cataracts so we can only perceive very little of The universe around us and we can only comprehend Very little of the universe around us. You put those two things together and we've got we've got the problem So so that's why when the Son of God comes to the earth And is among men he talks to us like we're little kids right with parables How does the maker of the universe communicate to us? He does well he does so in parables and he does so Communicating to us in a way that is relevant to what we can perceive He uses simpler stories to reveal complex truths exactly Yeah, and and the point is that he delivers the message and what's the message the message is the gospel and that is crystal-clear in the Bible I can hand The Bible I'll say this I can give the New Testament to my 13-year-old son and Tell him read this and then tell me what it's about and I guarantee you he may not get all the details He's gonna miss he's gonna miss a lot of theology, but he's gonna understand that this person Jesus is central to it Very important died on a cross and so forth very true and that is by the way The that is the mystery the fellowship of the mystery understanding the redemption of the human race That is something that was hidden from the angels Until it was revealed in Christ to men and so So we have we have the capacity to understand the gospel We have the capacity to receive the theological messaging from the father But to go beyond that it's very difficult for us because we have all we have what we have this problem this this problem of perception and and so what we tend to do is we tend to We tend to create contrivances to fill in the gaps We because of our Perceptual impairment because we see the world in shadows and because of our reduced capability to process information because we're fallen and we're degenerate We we have these gaps in our knowledge and what we've tended to do is we've tended to fill these gaps in with with with Contrivances and superstitions And so now that we have the technology to investigate the questions that were beyond us in the past We're slowly Repaving those ruts in the road those gaps in our knowledge upending the superstition and having an understanding of what is actually occurring That's happening in the natural world with science and it's also happening. I think now in a theological sense Because we have an understanding of things that we did not understand before and so when you begin to contemplate The universe and the possibility of these others entities existing and understanding the kingdom of heaven as an empire and understanding that there the for example Is there such thing as angelic quote-unquote angelic technology and the answer is yes, of course, right? And is it primitive? Are they riding around on horses? Well, why the heck would they be we don't ride on horses So why the heck would they yeah, we ride in we use the best technology we have To for conveyance for communication. It's natural. It's logical. So why would we be different than them? We wouldn't yeah, we're not So they're using advanced technology their civilization is very old their technology is very advanced their knowledge is very great and And they're not us they are in in effect an extraterrestrial civilization In every sense of the word some of them are loyal to the emperor Are loyal to the king and some of them are not right. There's an insurgency. It's factional. There's war. There's conflict from Genesis to Revelation There's a battle ensuing And and it's it's and we're involved in it now and we have a choice Are we going to embrace the king? Be loyal to the emperor. Are we going to join the insurgency and joining the insurgency is it happens When you reject the king You're either with him or against him So, um, you know, this is the reality around us. This is the world in which we live This is the context the dynamic that's happening whether we like it or not And things are far more complex than we think we have all this perceptual black matter that we can't see But it's there nonetheless It's just like the quantum world We can't see the mechanisms at the quantum level, but but they're working It's the reason why we're communicating through the internet That's right because of quantum mechanics So, uh, uh, we've been able to even though we haven't been able to understand these things fully We've been able to wield them and make technology control them enough to get technology out of them And so my my goal and forgive me for rambling, but my goal is is, um To help people to help prepare People's paradigms Um for the things that are going to be happening in the future for where we're going And what's going to happen and to basically to grow up we need to grow up Paul tells us that Paul tells us that Basically he's we're infantile That our knowledge our prophecy is imperfect. Our knowledge is imperfect But when the perfect comes and that's the resurrection Then we're going to understand even as we're understood We're understanding like Adam understood and even more so because of christ Uh, uh our kinsman redeemer and by the way, I throw this in there this this really Blew my mind when I thought about it. Although I've I've known it for for since I was a little kid, you know I grew up in the church and so um, you know jesus Jesus is what we're going to be not in terms of who he is innately, but in terms of what he is The resurrected christ we're resurrected in him And so we're going to become like what he is in terms of the resurrected body and so forth. So um Here's jesus again who became a man like us in a resurrected body. He suddenly appears in the midst of the disciples um After after the resurrection And they're all astounded and scared remember and and they're they're so frightened and And jesus says don't be afraid Um, touch me he tells him touch me see that I have flesh and bones in other words because he said A spirits don't have flesh and and bones touch me because I do Right, so they're touching him. They're feeling his hands They're they're you know, they're seeing the wounds in his hands are feeling his hands. He's flesh and blood And then he says this Do you have something to eat? And they give him some bread and some fish and he eats it Before them why to further verify that he's still human He still has flesh and blood. He can still eat and drink So We have this misunderstanding that you know somehow in a future context We're all going to be spiritual just spiritual beings something Somehow something other than human no In the future at the resurrection what happens is we become truly human. So what happens? and um restored to the blueprint And so here's christ human post resurrection Appearing in the midst of the disciples just appearing materializing. He's flesh and blood. He eats. He drinks and then he disappears again So what i'm trying to say is this We can't comprehend nor can we perceive nor can we interact with the totality of created order, but it's there nonetheless We only have a paradigm right now to view it as physical spiritual physical spiritual that's spiritual This is physical i'm telling you the two it's two sides of the same coin. They're both part of the same synergistic whole Absolutely, I totally agree with that and it's it's it's difficult for human beings I think sometimes though we need to do this we need to at least try it's difficult for human beings to Understand that there is a larger reality surrounding the reality that we currently live in