 Welcome to the unfun island of Thor 3D. Oh, God, 3D. I forgot. 3D. Oh, no. Oh, yeah, we all have our 3D glasses, right? That's the mark of quality. That's how you know it's 3D. We went through this with Filedestation. We've hit the Sabira. Some movies are still being released with 3D, but it's just not as much of a marketing push. It's like instead of coming and going, it came and sort of settled down into a little corner. It's like VR. VR is doing fine, right? It's out there. Remember the 3D TVs? Do you remember that? Yeah. Yeah. That definitely died. So when they made all these sorts, they were like, this is an actual full story that was deliberately crafted over many years, and now we've hit the end of it. It feels that way, right? With that we've been building up to a final chapter. That's what it feels like. That was planned. We totally didn't stitch this together. Who knows? This just was planned. Everything. Imagine the characters we may see return or reach an end or combine to create some kind of mech version of Ultron thing. Who knows? It's gonna be great. I hope Tobin Bell is in this one. Wasn't the promotional post or whatever like a giant, like a statue of Tobin Bell being built? I'm like a big man. Yeah. I remember being like, what the fuck? Their posts are so random sometimes. I think that was for Jigsaw, not this one, or unless that was what you were talking about. No, I think it was for this one. Source seven. Is everybody excited and ready? Because we're on a high, right? Source six was something. It wasn't like, it wasn't boring. You're a boy. Infuriatingly retarded in every aspect. So you got, you know, a bit of a like, ooh, maybe more. Oh yeah, let's do it. All right. In three dimensions this time. Yes, everyone, get your 4D glasses to have even more out of it. I'm gonna watch this on my VR headset. Whoa. All right, three, two, one. Go! That's not mine. Look at this. Wait, where the fuck is Wyatt's game? Move me! Move me, nudge! This looks incredibly cheap. What the fuck? Ha ha ha ha! Yeah. Oh, God! I miss Lion's Gate. Give it back. You know that? Yeah, it was a fun. That Lion's Gate logo. Mwah, compared to those others. The other ones were perfect. What do you mean? Even twisted pictures. Who stayed the same this whole time? Proud of you. Oh, previously on, we're going back to soul one. Wow. Good ol' zap. Ah! Previously on, soul. You guys remember this one? That's one of the older ones. Nope, never seen that movie before. It's a mystery to me. Did you ever wonder what happened after he chopped his fucking leg off? Not really. Well, now we have the rights to do it. So yeah, do you know anything about this, Adam? Oh, they made amends. He decided he would rather have some money. Instead of money. So, because his lawsuit wasn't really going anywhere. He should have done that from the fucking beginning. As you said. Yeah, he should have just not sued them in the first place. Like what a baby. He sued them for what? Money picks up everything. For him wanting more money, even though he signed a contract and agreed to the amount. There is a person out there who watches these films and absolutely consumes and loves them without like uncritically and thinks that they're all built deliberately and stuff and sees this and they're like, it's all been building to they going back to the beginning because the whole story is about to come to a full close. Wow. Good thing there's some hot steam here. I guess so. It's very sore to just have the incredibly hot pipe here. You think the producers made him crawl like a bitch on the ground to make up for the lawsuit? That really feels like enough to knock you out. Yeah, probably. I believe the 3D one was the one he came back for. I was waiting for him. He's getting on the ground floor. He's like 3D is going to be outside. It really does feel like the budget has been blown up. Look at this. I remember this like being a pretty decent deal of like, holy shit, a public soul trap. Wait, what? Oh, there's media buzz around this. Yeah, everybody's just noticing this now. Like, where did this come from? It looks like it's the middle of the day. Yeah, that had to have been set up at night time. And even if it was night time, like this seems like a very public area. Those who know this trap, please refrain from spoiling the nature of it at the ending of it. What the fuck are you doing here? What the fuck are you doing here? I asked you first, what the fuck are you doing here? No, I just want to look. Are you kidding me? Oh, jeez. Why are my boobs so accentuated in these straps? Well, it's 2010, okay? It is like, oh, the briefcase, that'll do it. This world isn't grinding yet. That's not even like... Oh my god, look at him. That's my soft briefcase. Dude, that entrance for the puppet is amazing, because you know he was just off screen, never could see him. Yeah, yeah. Oh, the hero's going on in there. Yeah! She's a hoe. Yeah, women suck. The puppet's lying. Why are you listening to the puppet? They've filtered him to be even creepier now. Aw, who's Alpha? You know nowadays, these bros would be like, now fuck this bitch. So this is like, Source just expanded his approach, doesn't he? He's just sort of... I'm a Sigma male, I can't win this. I mean, what has this got to do with a new lease on life? Was this something that Kramer left on in his will? Yeah. Was this another Kramer one, or was this strictly Hoffman? It looks like there's plenty of rooms. Maybe it's an Amanda one. Oh my god. See, so that, I feel like... If I was Brad, I'd be like, listen, she's... Oh! Wow, buddy. This is in 3D. Oh, boy. That stock sounds. I wonder if all the people who originally recorded that are dead now. Damn! I've always loved you. I feel like there's a correct answer here at this point. Brad, let's be Alphas together, okay, buddy? Gamer train. Brum brum! Oh, the place are here now. Ouchies! No, they show up here. She's still fine, she'll make it. Oh, she's not looking so good now. He went all over the puppet! Oh shit, I got blocked! Oh man. Oh no, that guy! Fell over. There's three people for no reason. They didn't need to be in public. I don't know why it was. Maybe they answered that later on. Oh, I think she died. Okay. Yeah! Hey, remember this, previously on. So did she do the electric chair thing, or was that always an electric chair? I think... I have no clue. She... Well, because I think... I think Kramer told her that she should do it. Look at this run. You're totally running for your life right now. Wait, his mouth is already sealed. Do you see that? Yeah, I told you he'd be better. Look at her run! Wait, how did you do that? How did you run away into him? She went in a circle without realizing it. What?! Very smart. She's so off. My face hurts. She's very easy to see by the way. Yeah. She doesn't understand the concept of hiding. Luckily for all of us, she decided to hide right next to that light pointing at her. Yeah, exactly. It's handy. It's a good thing. It'd be funny if she's hiding next to a puppet, and then said to him, just like, what are you doing? I'm fighting too. I find Hoffman real creepy just saying. Oh my God. That's what needs to happen. But a puppet needs to wake up in a sore trap. It's like, what's happening? Yeah, he didn't get all that other work, you know? Had a rough day at work, pal? Aw, man. We're gonna get Punisher Hoffman now. He did a really good job sewing that. He did a really good job, yeah. Is he a doctor? It's... It's... It's Guy from Final Destination 1 who got strangled in his own bathroom. That's our secret detective man today. Look at him. Oh, wow, yeah. Full circle. Imagine she tried to summarize the plot of Soul 1 through 6 to them to explain, like... In her deposition. You're not gonna believe me, but... You actually need the little poster board with the string. Yeah, you really would. And he'd be putting out all the plot holes, and she's like, look, I don't... That's what happened. He definitely knows you. Why is he so sarcastic? He'll just flip it. You swear to be totally open. You tell me everything. What's your bra size? I would warn him... Hoffman tends to kill everyone, so... Yeah. So this is the problem this film faces. It's like, can we really make up another whole set of traps for no reason at all? And it's like... We're gonna fucking try. Who's this guy, though? We haven't seen him before? Yeah, I'm thinking, have I just forgot one of the 79 characters? Survive an acronym? Like the title of the book? Oh, I'd rather not. Yeah, it is an acronym. Yeah. What does it stand for? What the fuck does that stand for? Sexual umbrellas, relive, violence. Why? Indigenous experience. Sexual umbrellas, that's what you start with. And I just yanked, and I yanked. And when I got to the top, I just ripped the hooks out of my chest, and I just screamed. And then everyone clapped, right? I agree with that lady. Oh my god, there's a survivor group. A survivor's face time. They've addressed that it's enough of an epidemic in this town place. There's an actual support group. Oh my god, there's a little tricycle. Jigsaw's here. He took out nine cops. She just pushes past him and really smells like, Oh, excuse me, I'm sorry, I parked my car here. Right here in the police station, this is where you're gonna do that. That worked. I guess. It always works. It always works for Hoffman. He gets in there and gets out easy. Oh my god, what the fuck is this? You know what's funny? Weird. That's gonna... What the hell is this? You wanna know the only thing wrong with killing you, Jill? I can only do it once. Oh, okay, I'll do that. But why would you... Wow, you work hard on this. The thing about this trap, though, is that it's it's gonna kill it quick. Well, can you just stand out of it? He just said the problem is I can only kill you once. It's like, why would you kill it slow? Isn't that in character for you, Hoffman? He did seem to want to get it clearly close to naked there, huh? Well, we're... Oh my god. Hi, Jill. Oh my goodness gracious, it was only a dream. She's fine. Which is funny because the whole audience is like, oh. Oh, well, this sucks so much. That character that this film insists on keeping a thing. So I remember this. I was like, what the fuck is Chester Bennington doing in Saw? Oh, right. Oh, that is him, isn't it? And he does a lot of screaming and it's so impossible not to hear Linking Park songs in your head. You must have been friends with somebody because that's so weird. Yeah. Chester Bennington sounds like a cat. You're cool. Oh, no, they're all racist. I hate when they put the hooks in the jaw. What are you supposed to do? I know. Oh, they aimed that real well. All right, what are you going to do? Tear yourself away from the seat to which you are glued. Then you must pull the red lever before you. You will learn that we are all the same color on the inside. He bleeds purple. He's like, see? They should have done a music video. Why not? Yeah. They should have started playing in the end. Yeah, why not? Crawling in my skin surely is the one you go with. No, that's too easy, Muller. I like how this is kind of similar to, I think it was what it was at Final Destination 5 where it's like, OK, well, this is a white Nash left to smash. Who cares? It's a racist. Man, that was a very long. You just need to tell him, like, you can do it, buddy. You can do it because that's the only thing. You don't do it for a long seven seconds. If you don't do it, then the black people win. You know, Jigsaw's probably black, dude. Oh, dear. Oopsie. Did you see she tried to move her head out of the way at least? Yeah, she tried to move her head. Well, she's dead. He's very dead. Well, at least chest is OK. Oh, OK. I mean, Kyle probably wasn't even going that fast, but I guess it was. Yeah, I don't know about that one. So yeah, I guess all of those people are dead, but that seriously is just a scene to be like, look at these people, they're fucking dead. Oh, we're a solid. Oh, my God, I already recognize guy who bled the fuck out in Soul Five, and she's Soul Six, Gale. That's kind of neat, actually. Tiny triggers. And they remind me of what I went through. Oh, why would you film this? Yeah, that's gross. Oh, they're going to show us the actual traps. They said, how many fucking traps did he do? But no honors? What? Oh. And then what happened now? What the fuck trap is this? What kind of trap is this? How do you get all the gnomes? Those were perfectly good gnomes. Why were there gnomes? The gnomes are like us, the audience. What? What are the gnomes? What was the point of the gnomes? It's the old lady. She made it. Thank you. I actually would be interested to hear from her. You want to know the best thing that happened to me after having to cut off my own arm? They're going to show it, of course. Yeah. He's handicapped parking at the damn mall. That's not so bad. I mean, the walk is clear. Yeah, I mean, like, wait a minute, that's our arms. Yeah, like, considering the woman who still has... I mean, compared to nothing, that's pretty good. Yeah, I don't think you should get handicapped parking if you fucked up your arm. That's the wife, like, with the son who killed Black Mask. She's here. Oh, we would love to hear from her. I want to see if there's any guilt. Why can't we hear from these people? He was the guy who even saw five that cut way too far into his arm and should be dead, but... Yeah, he's that guy. But, like, this should be a full-on conversation with all of them. Yeah, it's opposed to, like, the new people. I want to see the old characters. Fuck these new people. They probably didn't wait a lot for the existing characters because they didn't know who would show up. We're going to be completely honest. Those scars aren't so bad compared to the whole arm being off, you know? Also, you know he's got his arm in the sling. I was about to say, like, well, hasn't it healed yet? I was, like, no, wait, when was... I don't even know when that film took place. What does it look like to have a healed arm that's been so unliked? I don't know. I don't know. I'm actually pissed off that they had the most useless people talk. She had, like, a clown sore trap. Why the hell did we see that? Who the hell is... Oh, my God! Lawrence is slow-clapping! Oh, my God! The slow-clap. I'm the original survivor. They gave him evil voice, too. You know, I would have been in every one of these movies. They have catering. They've made him evil, I love it. He got us to go British accent. And the thing is, he's already British. I know. Overacted in the first one. I'm so happy with this decision. He's got a walking cane. Of course he should, it's just perfect for a villain, too. So it's with the creepy guy with the can, someone I should know about. He's a can? So it's with the creepy guy with the can. Thank you. The man. I thought the camera was going to hang on the blonde dude, and then I'd have been like, Pig's going to get you. Pig's going to get you. Where's the pig? Where is he? Oh, in the background already. Oh! Is that magic? There was no pig sound, though. Yeah, that's a shame. And the editing wasn't cringe. What the fuck? Oh, he's eating an apple. He's lost all of it. That's the rule. It's a very pale apple. Also, he's like a discount Ryan Gosling, can it? I can see the Ryan Gosling in him. There is an element of it. What's up, man? I'm going to junk out on 58. Why? Why? Yeah. You're missing some details. I love the idea that Hoffman was sewing himself back together, like sorting out the crime scene, then simultaneously, like, oh, I got to set up another two elaborate soul traps for another 12 people. So if you're a racist, you deserve to die? I mean, yeah, from his perspective, why not? Everyone deserves to die at this point. Smokers and racists are on the same level. Jigsaw's an all-or-nothing kind of moral guy, you know? Anything that's bad makes you a slave. Dude, he would tie someone up and be like, so you think being good is all there is to life? What? Maybe he just didn't have that many people in his social circle, so he's just kind of grasping at straws to justify. Like, well, they have to be people that I know did things, so... You didn't get to have his Walter White moment where someone said to Jigsaw, like, you're doing this for the fun of it, dude. Be honest with yourself, Jesus. How does he always know who's working the cases? You should also probably not put your hands all over the sides. Yeah, you should be wearing gloves. That's probably a really bad place to put your hands. I remember the other, the forensics, coming in, they're like, oh my God, Gibson's fingerprints were on the crime scene. He's like, oh, jeez, no, that's not, uh, oh, jeez. Well, this is awkward. Seems unfair to put someone through it again, you know. Well, didn't Amanda go through more than one? Yeah. Well, I don't think he went through more than one. That was a ruse. Yeah, it was a ruse. That's true, but she still had to go through, like, more than any of the people there. That's true. She don't go right into the pit of Needle. A liar, you and I both know you have never been in a trap, nor have you ever been tested. Stolen valor! Whoa, stolen soul, the... Which isn't, this is not a bad idea for the premise of a soul film. You posted several tweets that got 70,000 likes. I find that very distasteful. So the police and everybody never could verify a story with a location? Apparently not. That seems weird that you could fake this. Yeah, maybe the officer is investigating the one that died, like, I don't know. If you fail to meet her before the clock runs out, she will die. What'd she do? She didn't know. She was also lied to. She was deceived. He specifically said he deceived her. She's innocent. You know what? You could still say that that's a problem with the previous soul, but at least the point was trying to be made to the guy that innocent people dying is fucked, you know? That was like the point you're trying to give to the protagonist. This one is like, well, if your whole problem with him is he lied and made money off it, how the fuck was she supposed to do anything about that? Oh, bulls. The scream sound effect. What the fuck? You've got plenty of room. You've got plenty of room. You could swim. Just swim. Just swim. That's okay. You know, where's case scenario? You could actually land. Yeah, if you hang down on the wrong one. That would be hard to aim. It would, but like, I'm just saying it's not the end of the world. Swinging around like that. But if you, yeah, the T test plenty of room is plenty of room to drop between the spikes, especially with how low he is here when he can hold on to the bottom one. That roll. I just want him to be like, nice. Good job. They've done a superhero landing. Oh, you didn't see my sick thing. I just did it. Oh, you missed it. Wait a minute. Oh, that looks bad. That looks real bad. It does look very bad. They didn't match. They, like, applied a color filter on all the other footage and forgot. Yeah. This horrible event. Another one. Yeah, we're adding a bunch that we don't get to. At this point, they need to establish their jigsaw killer copycats in other cities. I realized what I still had and I didn't want to let that go. He's inspired to lie because he's in this timeline. Most people have been captured by jigsaw. People have gone through games. The thing about it is, like, two people can claim it. One of them could have lost every limb while the other one has got, like, scratches. It was like, yeah, I was tested. He's into it. Oh, I really like this philosophy. You know, he never really killed anybody. He finds killing just tasteful. It's true. Hello. Hello. There's a little puppet off to the side who's not activated yet. She's like, come on. I know you talk. Ah, follow the line. Like in the Stanley Parable. Stanley Parable. I know this. I'm very good at it. That was left for me and your fingerprints were all over it. Oh. There's a new game going on. Does that surprise you? No. Why did they put these two in a room? You're crazy. You know that? I knew you were crazy the minute I laid eyes on you. What was that? The minute I laid eyes on you. This is what we're going to do. Crazy. This is what we're going to do crazy. This is so funny. He's like a child detective. The writing is not as strong here. It's a safe house. Safe house. Safe house. Safe house. We're walking off times, buddy. You're going to try to imagine what the writer thinks this character is. Like they've seen other movies. What's with the drapes between the rooms? I don't know. Can I have a door? Yeah, that's why. It's for safety. Because it's a safe house. What the heck? Only Mongolium. What was that about? I didn't sign up for this shit up out of here. Is that a blackberry? Damn. Oh, it's Huffman. Hi. He's like, I'm not putting the filter on. You know it's me. Yeah. I recorded this on tape even though technology has advanced very far. I like the aesthetic. Well, this was, he was playing on DVD, right? So wait, you recorded on tape and put it on a DVD? He added a filter. Like, I don't know. Yeah, what the fuck? Give it to me. The game stops and no one else dies. Well, give our power and I'll stop the game. Oh. I'll be the end. Those guys don't have any. We don't negotiate with terrorists. Why would he bring the camera? Why would he go on camera to do that? Yeah, I don't know why. I guess at this point, he assumes it's a lost cause. Everybody knows it's him. I guess so, but that's just adding to the evidence, you know? No one wants to get away with this anymore. Yeah, he hasn't been convicted yet. If he gets like kind of a war cap, he could maybe survive. Hi. Oh, that's just what you don't want. I would. I mean, your mouth. So he's hyper familiar with the sword games. Fucking find out what the rules are, you dingus. Yeah, wait, you're not triggering anything. Don't press anything. No, you idiot. Look, we're not getting Thor 6 Man again, okay? Do we mean they've changed the sword filter? He's different now. I'm trying to make him sound spookier. It's got more of a like, I don't know, something to it. It feels like it's more distorted. Yeah, it's more jumbled. So that sounds like something only as soon as I found also screaming to start you fucking moron. Yeah, I'm like, did you not hear? Are you deaf? Jesus Christ. Really like it in concept. I'm not sure about the hook. As soon as I found out there's a hook like in his stomach. It's over surely. To pull that out of her. And I tell you, it feels like it would kill her. Yeah, like if you're just pulling like surely you're destroying her inside. I don't think anyone can survive that. No, this one is like grim. And what are we learning here exactly? Don't pretend to have been in a salt trap, said it. If you have to pull hard, you just... That's what I mean. That's how hard it is for him to pull it out. Look at how much resistance there is. You're going to drag her stomach flesh up through her throat like this. It's nothing. She's doomed. I'm sorry. It sucks. Yeah, shut the fuck up. See, that's... You're making it. But yeah, I mean there is a limit to not saying anything. You know what I mean? It's a 3D. This one's just impossible. It's not fair. And it was close. There's a couple of edits you need to make to this. You put it on your face. Also, you could have shut her up, but he didn't. Stop screaming. You got it outside. Well, the time is over. The time is up anyway, so she's dead. That looks so bad. You mean like CG? Yeah, that looks really fake CG. There you go. That was lame. Yeah, I'm not a fan. I'm almost a fan. Also, fuck you, man. You couldn't just shut the fuck up. See what you... I have some sympathy for a lady who's having to be told to shut the fuck up while I drag a hook up from your stomach. Oh yeah, let's chill. All right, listen bitch. The S in the survive acronym stands for shut the fuck up. So that's why instead of him being like that was not fair, like what could she pose me to instead? He's like, it was your fault, stupid bitch. It's like, wow. He didn't even look quiet. He's mean. So, and as I can't remember who said it, I think it might have been Rags, but just what the fuck was to be learned from that? How does it apply to the story here? Well, because she knew and helped. Okay. Therefore, she deserved to have a hook up dragged up her throat. Oh, okay. There's nothing to learn. Did she know the truth? Yeah, she knew that he faked it. Okay, that's something, but again, still I just don't... It's the wife that seems to be the innocent party. I presume that everybody else knows. I suppose you could argue, well, she's got a role in this trap of not screaming, but again, it's just like, it's a fucking hook in his stomach, man. And it didn't even matter, because the time limit... Look who it is! Hello, my fellow kids. Hello, fellow victim. Yeah, I love his get up here. I love, like, the backwards hat. Wait, so he faked all this while he was still alive? Yeah, while he was both alive and up and about. Which is weird. He's even got a little backwards hat. This is what we were warning you about really early on. It's like, it's gotten to a point where it's so tangled, like, what the fuck with the events of this story? Hello, my fellow jinx. It implies that there were so many other traps for other people getting news coverage and everything that we never saw that took place before Saw 3 when Kramer died. Yeah. Yeah, the impression of, like, Saw 1 was... When did the support group start? Like, Saw 1 was when it just began. Yeah, for you, Saw 1 at this point in the timeline could be the last story. It makes the first three films insignificant, really. Yeah. There were a bunch crazier things happening, apparently. than those three. Our stories, really. He's not wearing a music band t-shirt. Security, get him out of here. Imagine you're so angry that he said, you know you're lying because I'm Saw. And then the police are like, what? And he's like, nothing, nothing at all. Imagine he said I'm the jigsaw. He's like a boomer and he doesn't know how the kids are referred to him exactly. Hey, I've got something over here. There's so many new detectives. Do you remember all of our detectives from first Saw? Yeah. They're, like, the first of 17 deaths. The detectives. The first of 17 deaths because the whole squad died in the left corner. They just replenish this little tub of clones that they all climb out of. This is why I wanted these to carry on forever as well because I'm infinitely abused by them just saying there was another one. And then there was another one. Oh, what's written on the door is his acronym. Oh, is it? Oh, and that's what he has in his book to represent. You understand your problems, verify or something? Well, what's the trap this time? I'd stop wriggling around if I were you. Oh, okay. Was it a puppet? Hey, buddy. What? Listen, I don't I'm trying to find new and dynamic ways of entering the room. I'd be so distracted by this. I'd be so distracted by this. This is the highest position long enough to close the circuit slowing down her device. Is that going to be really strong for this one? This is kind of like a play on the steam one from the previous film. But you just have to be really strong. Just delay it for 30 seconds. Dude, you know the rules. What are you doing? You need to get started straight away so that you can even take a break. I can't remember. Is he going to get tickled? Wouldn't that be funny? He's actually tickling him. He's like, ah, I got to let go. It's too much. I know I'm laughing, but it's actually awful. That would hurt, but they don't look too deep. Yeah, that looks all right. That seems okay. I'm having a great start. Don't wait on your shoulders. Jigsaw said 30 seconds. I would actually count it out while screaming. Because you got to dig him back in, but which is not good. Why is he not standing up and using his arms extended? You could also angle it. He could actually do this. There are a couple of other alternatives. That's so 3D. It's like it's coming at me. What a weak-ass bitch. I was going to say. I don't mean to compare the Soul 6, man, but... You're not even doing it right. Also, what is the mouth one for? A good measure. Something to think about. How much do you got? We didn't see the timer. You're in it. You're better. That's going to hit. I think she's dead. Both times you were so close, he screwed it up. You just hurt yourself. Yeah, basically. What is this lesson? You've gotten these people in trouble because you lied. You knew that lying was bad, by the way. Yeah, but now he's got a... Now he knows it's really bad because someone might get crazy enough to kill your friends. What's funny is, he didn't even use it just to gain... to promote himself financially. He knew he was going to be on the news while Jigsaw was alive, I guess. What an idiot. Was he doing it for money or did it seem like it was more for the attention? I don't know. I don't know what's about him. He flashed back and forth. Now he looks kind of rich. He's definitely gotten more money. I knew that it was going to happen while Jigsaw was alive. The bar scene, I thought they were implying he wants something to do in his life and he seemed to enjoy inspiring people with his story. Which is interesting, right? If that was his motivation, I just want to give people something even if it isn't real, it's real to them. That sort of thing. Has this movie got the most traps? Because we've been fucking rushing through loads of them. This feels very similar to both of the Saw video games. Because you have to walk across planks in that game at some point? Yeah, because it's a video game. Well, because this one... he's got to describe to him how to escape. There's something here thematically maybe. Yeah, like why is he huddled close to the wall if he wasn't even aware that... Did he wake up standing up? Yeah, that one doesn't make sense. All you have to do is put him in a little cage and the opening to the cage is over here. Yeah. This guy is shockingly panicking trapped against the wall. Yeah, the fact that you're hearing a friendly voice should calm you the fuck down. Kale, walk over the planks through the key. You must get it to him within 60 seconds. 60 seconds. So that's impossible. Yeah, I thought the idea is that he can't make out what he wants to go. Kale, can you not fucking anick like a lunatic for two seconds? Did you not listen to the scary voice? Yeah, he just said come to me. Yeah, there's no reason for... One of you is blind, okay? He could go halfway and then jump over the last... He could have a test foot. He could use one of his foot to feel out where he could step. I feel like you could make that jump. So the idea here is that we need to both go so that we'll make up the time. Is that the idea? Yeah. But all the time you're spending directing him, you could have just been focusing on you going. Oh, why are you moving so slow? I think it's implied that there's a gap that's too far for him to jump. I think that's what it's trying to go for. Really? So yes, the toss between you and him is what they say. Yeah. It was a bottle, they fall. It should have been higher too. Or you should have just had it like a black bottomless hit. You're not going to make it. Look at how little you've achieved already. That's because he's going slow along the side when he's up to this point. He's had a lot of room. Why'd you just do it one at a time? Just jump. Why is the guy who can see not going fast? Come to the solid thing. Just jump. Now that looks like stone. He's giving up. You can still do things, man. Yeah. You can't be watching him do time while you're doing your thing. What was that? That's not fair, is it? Surely we've already ran out of time. Yeah, you're right. That isn't fair. That's bullshit. This has been 60 seconds for sure. What was that? If you're willing to do that, please do the rest. Good job climbing back on that plank with your eyes blinded. Somehow, yeah. There you go. There's a secret. Crawl. Just crawl. You'll be way better off. He's making way more progress than the guy who was blind. Sorry. Come on! The fact that he didn't tell him to crawl from the beginning. Oh my God, this is cringe. Go! Come on. Save one person at least. He sucks. No, you should jump across, buddy. How is he going to unlock his own? It's also been too long. Throw it over here. He doesn't even know what a lock is. He doesn't even know what a lock is. Oh my God! Who could have known? So what he could do is jump down and throw it back up. Yeah, he could. Oh well. You can hold it right. You can hold the rope up there. You can hold his legs. Yeah, there's a sheath. Oh, he died. I guess he died. You're right. He could have held his legs up. He could have done a lot of things. That trap was shit. That trap was really shit. I'm going to go as far as saying there will have been kind of shit. This is where he saved my life. Oh. Okay. Flashback! Could have remembered that back in the office. I've never heard that. Well, they do the flops. Oh, no! Oh, it broke. Yes! Wow! There's music off that side. Yeah. There's fucking music. There's fucking music. Hopped up the gun. The winter soldier fell off. Hey! Oh, you're... Oh yeah, you're a killer. See, if your partner had bullets that went through people, then you'd be dead. So it's a good thing. Next time, you shoot first. I didn't have my gun. And you didn't shoot first. You shoot first, you got ambushed from behind. Yeah, this took all the riding around this. You just said a lie that doesn't apply to either of you. What do you mean shoot first? You just shot him. Plus, if this is a junkie getting his blood all over you... Uh... You should go take a bath and get tested. Especially in your eyes. And I guess he's on the run, so all of this is predicated on him not dying in any of these previous tracks. Exactly! I don't understand that. Because he could easily have died in several of these. Well... Which means that this all plays out and these people just die without a... If he had fallen off, he can't get back up in the one with the blind guy. It's not that easy though, but... No, it is not that easy. I like how they just... as if they would work that way. I don't know if they just watch that always sunny episode. Wait, that just kind of came out on its own? Yeah, that slipped right off. It would be so funny if he pulled the wrong one. Also, those are kind of the most... Well, there's no preferable tooth to pull, but I mean... I was about to say, the thing about... You don't want to lose the front ones, but again, it's probably easier to pull the front ones. I got my wisdom teeth removed. The dentist was at it for a fucking while. He was going primitive. He was like, what the fuck is up coming out of here? Just in my mouth. It should take some time. He was like... He was getting exhausted. I've had a tooth pulled, and that was my immediate conclusion after it was done. So this was the same as it was 10,000 years ago, huh? Mm-hmm. Well, now we have gas. But yes, essential. The painkillers. That's my advice to you. If you don't want to come, you think of the dentist. Instantly. Just put you in a different mindset. You can take that to the bank and smoke it. He just fucking gets knocked out from the blood loss. Jigsaw's like... Shit. They're doing the thing. He's not wearing body armor, and he's got a pistol. Yeah. How else are you going to tell? Yeah. Master Chief can't wear a helmet. So how did they... How did those numbers get under his teeth anyway? Yeah, I don't know. I'll be honest with you. If I was aware of this entire case, like the sole case as a whole, I would never work on it. All the fucking detectives have died on this fucking case. Yeah, fuck that. It's like the cops in Mexico like, do you go after the cartel? Nah, probably not a good idea. Oh, come on. You've already done one. It's easy now. If you have any reflective surface in there... Oh. Is that helping? I don't know. So if I was a detective, I really would be curious to find out. It's like, man, he failed all these tests. They're just going the other way. Why didn't he go through those doors? They just bump into another trap, and Jigsaw's like, this was your publicist. They're just like, wait, what? It would be fucking cool if they had to like crawl across to the halfway point or whatever and go through the door. Like, one by one, you know? Oh, what? Give an excuse why they... That would have been... How the fuck does that work? What? Yeah, that's a weird thought. Jigsaw thought ahead, all right. Put that on his teeth when he was a baby. Where did he... He's a genius. Two numbers on each one. Yeah, but they were on the roots. They were on the actual teeth. That is bizarre. What the fuck? Again, I would never take point. I'd be like, do you guys know what this shit is? Person in front needs to be like head to toe bomb disposal. Yeah. Oh, look. Why is your delivery so weird? I want you to slowly... It was like he was doing a Trump impression. I want you to slowly... You're the best traps, I know. Dremendous. What's funny is like the main character in this it seems like more like a personal kind of... Jigsaw has to get him rather than... I know, because like he did a bad thing by... you know, but it seems like some people's lives have been positively affected by a lot. Exactly, and that needs to be addressed, but souls of fuck. Yeah, it seems weirdly personal. You must overcome a game that should be all too familiar. I'll tease you to be a faker, do it for real. If you can tell, you're gonna have to dig those hooks in and then pull on the chains. Yeah. But question, yeah, could you not pull on all four of them at the same time? Yeah. Could you not step on those hooks with your shoes? I think stepping would totally work. I could totally get my jeans in there. Could you not hook the loops in your jeans? Well, your feet are much better option Yeah. I think there's actually many options here. You could take your clothes off and start turning them into the kind of like rope and straps type situation. There's plenty of things that he could do. Yeah, it doesn't quite work. Honestly, that's the difficulty of the sword traps. You have to come up with ones that force them to do the spooky, gross thing that you want to do. Ew. Wait a minute, that's not Hoffman. No. She's going to want to chew him out for lying about whether or not he did the trap for real when he's considering doing it for real. So I think what you need to do, Love, is say you can do this. You can do this. I wouldn't give a fuck if he had lied to me if this was my life's in the balance right now. I'd be like, I'll deal with that later. Plus, think about think about the kind of book you could write after this. Survive. Yeah, I did survive, but I definitely did. His acronym is literally just two survived things, back to back, survive, survive. Well, survived. The survive. No way you could do this in time. This would take so long. Well, wait, they'd notice the missing body. No, no, no, right. That's why I'm saying it would have taken so long. Can you tell what he's going to do? They don't investigate crime scenes anymore once the bodies are in the bags. Nobody looks at anything. What body is that now? That's him. This is so funny. Right now. Get down. Get down. What? You need to get down. Oh, okay. You know, I'm tired of people not recognizing that that's a gun. What are y'all doing this whole time? Nobody came in here. I want you detective characters out. Cool. All right. Bye. Okay. Uh-oh. Spaghetti. I'm just checking the body over here. Jump scare. Oh, my God. Ouchie. Oh, my God. He didn't bring a gun. He brought a knife. Maybe he's got a gun in his back pocket or something, but Hoffman likes his knives. Okay. Can I just say Hoffman is a fucking crazy man. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. He died too. Now that guy's down. 3D. You know, if you stab somebody there, they're still going to be alive for a little bit, right? Let's go and take a bow down. Not that guy. Just make sure you drag that gun right across your body. Oh, good thing they all went in this room. Oh, man. See, I just... Is that Mentos and Coke? What is that? They have gas masks with you. Why did you not go the way you came? You're coming to a sole place and you don't have the protective gear you need. Oh, no, not this guy. Why does he keep stabbing people underneath the gun? No, Jeremy Irons. No. He could have just stabbed him in the back of the head or back of the neck. He's sending for like 6 minutes. It's probably the easiest for props because he can just hold the blood tube underneath and they can spit out blood. They have to create like an actual prop like a real... I like the idea as he's digging this in. It's like, does it matter that I lie now? Can he have a bunch of blood in his mouth? When did you clean that up? Oh, it's fine. That was like a different trap. Why'd you care? That was like a different movie. Oh, no. And somehow because he decided not to put the knife in her, she actually managed to... He was biting his like clothed arm. Well, it did matter. You ran out of your 4 minutes like 4 minutes ago. I don't feel like that's going to be enough to hold you. No, I don't think so either. But I also would go as far as saying it's annoying that there are so many other options. Even to just grab all full of the fucking chains. Yeah. All you gotta do is connect those two things. Can you get to the beam? It's really not a question of willpower. Yeah, they're not. No. I think his pants would work. Yeah, I said the loops in his jeans would actually do it. The crazy thing about it is too, you know what she's like, like, Paul. It's like, oh, I wouldn't be worried about him pulling it. I'm worried about the skin tearing away. Oh, oh my goodness. Just one stab, stab, stab. It keeps stabbing people in that part of their mouth. Also, that's the first gun he's collected, by the way. Look how thin that, like, bit of tissue he's got there is. It's just not gonna work. Oh, go look. Oh, Jesus. Ah! Yep, all the cops are dead again. So you know how I said, if you don't give her up, I'll kill everyone. And then he somehow was able to do it. Don't leave the gun there. Oh, do you know for a second there, I was like, oh, kill yourself. Good plan, actually, because what he's gonna do is way worse. It's just, like, about personal vendettas in this one. It's, like, such a soap opera. Yeah. What people want to see. Look at it, it's sticking to it. How do I look? A little red. Stab more, stab more, no. Oh, you didn't hit the sweet spot. You should have done it. You didn't twist and gut, like a certain guy. Yeah, you had to stab, twist, gut, that's right. He's basically an arc. I don't understand. He had to escape a building. You still have a knife. Also, there are dead police officers everywhere. They all have guns. You could just run though. Like, it's just a building, you could leave. A door was, oh, her run. She doesn't know how to run, right? Grab a gun, grab a gun, grab a gun. There was a gun, there was a gun, right there. He's so stupid. No, don't hide. She's brain dead. I can't believe. The jog is like a Brandon Rogers skit. See, how's that not going? Wait, how's it not going down? He's let go. I don't understand. Oh, jeez. That's not a small fall, my friend. That was pretty. Also, he failed because they couldn't support his weight, not because of his willpower. So, that's fine. Yeah, it's another BS. He didn't think it was after him. And if he was faster, he might have saved it. I think that was like, I don't know, is it called shut-in fruit? That was because he wrote it that way in his book. Actually, that's impossible. You see, I only build traps that are easy to defeat because I'm nice. I'm not a killer. It's just tasteful. Oh, boy, look at all these traps from the prior films. Full circle, huh? The nostalgia room. Full spiral. Oh, nice. He just sees it, right? She's so bad at hiding. I thought he was looking... He wasn't even going to check the section of the room. She didn't even find a weapon in the fucking trap room, man. Also, like, nobody cares about this character. No, who cares if she dies? But I respect characters who can, like... Well, you kind of... She was right there. She was in his field of view the whole time the film just pretended otherwise. Listen. I can explain. What? So this seems fair, doesn't it? They're totally innocent party. Whoa. What the fuck? If you think about how guilty she is, she met a man who had a horrible life and fell in love with him. Her crime was believing his story to be true. Oink, oink. And for that crime, she's gonna get cooked. Jesus Christ. Well, we talked about how the most gruesome death is still probably Sorsak's protagonist, but this one is not nice. This one I struggle to care about. She's kind of an idiot asshole. All the police are dead. He killed every one of them. What about the person who he called on the phone? Is she dead? Yeah, he's tired of them respawning, so he's trying to destroy, like, the spawn equipment. What a juxtaposition of these two deaths, you know? In terms of how you feel about them. Mmm. Totally innocent, and this is what's happening to her. And this one is like... I guess she shouldn't have this happen to it, but she's still not a great person either, so... Yeah, she's participating in all of it. And she also tried to kill me, because it's now, like, killing her. See, that's a pretty grim way to go. It's terrible for an innocent person. Yeah, this one makes no sense at all, Jigsaw, you prick. And it's because his pecs weren't strong enough to support his full weight. Also, her eyes should not be... This is a big old John Kramer one. This was definitely his... It wasn't like a stupid Amanda one or a stupid Hoffman one. No, that was him. But we're done with that. Look. Yeah, you gotta play the recorder for this one. Look up there. Reverse Bear Tramp. So imagine the climactic death of the series is Jill Tuck. Hell yeah, because she deserves it. You're like, alright then, I guess. And you're always kind of fun about this. She did the exact same thing to her. Yeah! She could theoretically do what he did, but she doesn't have the balls to break her own hand. Oh, look, they're doing the fast spinning camera thing. This is so funny. Say it, he wants to say it. He wants to say it. Say it. And they showed the fuck out of that. Say it. Game over. Yeah! I mean, everyone is dead. He's gonna kill all of the, like, law enforcement of America next. A police department full of cops. All dead. And he's got money, guns. He's got everything. Everything's coming up off. Look at the doll, like, I'm sure you're going to burn me. I thought we had something. We've been through so much together. I love you, Hoff. They're gonna have a slow-mo of the doll burning or something. I think the image of a burning jigsaw doll could have been something, but they kind of just... Oh, man. That could have hit him. He's too cool. Oh, no, pigs! This pig! Pigs? This is the fan club. Oh, it's the guy who... Put his foot off. Yeah, what's the sound effect? Yeah. Man, man, man. Reveal who you are. Yeah, I was right. But why? But why? What does it have to do with anything? Why? Well, he's been mad this whole time. Oh. Plamy? Plame? He's like, seriously, me again? Yeah, he's reacting very calmly to that tape. Oh, yeah. Remember this? Literally, the end of Saw 7 is giving you more context for Saw 1. Yes. Wake up. I now baptize you. He's like, Gepetto. Is there a Gepetto in the house? They're creating a little wooden boy. Oh, that shot. Look, he's the guy who did the surgery. In the traps. Oh, my God. Remember this shit? It's Lynn Duttlein. Just like taking things in people's stomach. Oh, lord. He had to do that. Only a doctor could do this. I can't fucking believe that they're saying this was the case the whole time. It was the doctor. But like, but why? So he found out Jill died and then immediately knows where Hoffman is and kidnaps him. Even though Hoffman has been evaded by all law enforcement. Yeah, but he uses his surgery skills in order to track Hoffman down. Oh. He uses his characters from sword one and two. It's the big old room. It's the meme room. The meme room. The first corpse room. Poor Lee Waddell's body still there. Yeah. Adam's dead body. Can I get married please? Oh, he's not even letting them have the saw. Bullsy. The thing is, we know for a fact that Hoffman would hack that foot off immediately. Oh, remember soul wandering? I remember. Those were fun times we had. Listen to the music. Hell yeah. Oh, the music is more... Oh! The game's over for real this time. It would be funny if he picked up his wallet right there too. Oh, I was watching. Oh, that's right. That'd be awesome. So nobody's ever fucking found this place. Just ever. The end of school. See, we came full circle. It all makes sense. And they never made another one. That was fucking shit. Dude, it was written by Patrick Melton. His name has melted it. That was never going to go. You know what you're going to get. It was entertaining. I enjoyed it. It was a bit dumb fun. It was really dumb for me. He threw the saw at the camera. That was hilarious. Holy shit. That's when they know the formula, but they just really shit at it again. Yeah, it's weird. Casasix had so much good shit in it, but I think this one was also concerned about tying everything up as the last movie. Yeah. And so maybe they weren't as focused on the main character trap stuff. That was kind of weak. And then all the story shit is just so ridiculous. The investigation is over. So it's not an investigation anymore. It's just like Hoffman escapades. I guess. And then yeah, you have a pretty weak central trap game. So it's kind of like it's... None of it feels like anyone's learning anything for any reason. It just feels like Jigsaw was annoyed. You lied, asshole. And that was it. Yeah, exactly. You lied. Your wife didn't, but her fate hinges on your pecs being strong enough to support your whole weight. Which is something that you set up in your own book as something that was kind of dumb. I think the opening trap was funny. I think we're breaking up with you, Tina. Yeah, I liked the opening trap. I thought it was fun, but I just... What was the idea with the doctor then? That he helped look after him after he escaped and then he was like, you know what? I'll do whatever you want now, Jigsaw. Including when I'm limited to surgery. Any medical related things that I need. The reality was life in respect, so that's what a lot of them seem to know when they survive for some reason. Oh my God. But yeah, like the... Before he met Dr. Gordon, Kramer was already... Like the key was in his stomach. Like maybe he just made him swallow it, I guess. Which is kind of lame, right? To go from six, which had some promise and some good moments to then. Well yeah, we would... It's kind of hot at this point to rank this, because it's like, oh shit, I don't know. Most of them are sludgy in my memory. It does get to the point where it's hot to remember. Yeah, I think... I like this one a bit better than some of the other ones. Like this isn't the worst one for me. I like it more than three. One of the more stupid ones, yeah. I like it more than two. Better than three. I think three is so bottom for me. It's really difficult to appreciate what the later movies did right, because I'm so bombarded at that point by the convolution of the plot and the way it's all fucking edited. What? I don't care. When they present to you a conclusion and a development on top of all these other things that happened in the movies, I'm like, I don't even know if that was a thing that was made any sense at all. You do you, pal. We're watching them all back to back and I'm still having trouble. Like, remember all this shit. Not to mention every... you span a year and then you're like, timeline-wise, have we moved on a year? It's like, no. Oh, we're taking it on right after? No, this is actually set several months before and after and at the same time. You're like, I'm impressed by how bold they are just via like, this parts of this is set before or even happened. You're just like, okay. There's an element of... you have to respect just the attitude of just like, fuck it. We're gonna keep going, you know? I'm not saying Jigsaw the whole time, but I guess they're implying he wasn't aware of Dr. Gordon at all? Nope, yeah. Or was he? He wasn't. No, I don't think he was. Even though he was helping since before Dr. Gordon entered the picture, he was never like, oh, what happened to that one guy that crawled away? Like, he'd never just asked about that. Remember when Amanda helping Jigsaw was a huge twist? Yeah. There's constantly other people just like, a little bit out of frame. It's gonna be like a number of other people that were helping the whole time. Making Gordon in on it the whole time is one of the funniest bits of this last movie. That's so good, because it's almost like they're trying to say, ah, you see, even though he died, I don't even know how long ago, even though Jigsaw was dead, he still kind of won because he had Gordon help him kill Hoffman, who killed Gil, who killed, it's just, who tried to kill Hoffman. Like, 12,000 tapes before he died, so just in case anything is happening, just cleanse them out. You must have a very, very detailed flowchart for all the people helping. So if this happens, then use this tape, but if that doesn't happen, then make sure you skip that tape and use tape 12. No, no, no. There's no multiple choice. It's just linear. He knows exactly what's gonna happen. Oh, remember. There's no variables. He understands the people. He's a people person. He knows that in one of these films. He just knows what people will choose, which kind of makes the whole thing redundant, doesn't it? I think it's worse. I think he says he doesn't know what's gonna happen. He just, like, looks at the probability and then is always right. That's the way to do it. This one for me only has the entertainment value of laughing at it. There's nothing in here that I think is very well done at all. I knew you were crazy the minute I laid eyes on you. Crazy. This is what we're gonna do. Crazy. Everything to do with Chiltuck is annoying. The racists who all get killed almost seem completely irrelevant to everything. It just was like, here's a bunch of people in a trap and they all die. You're like, okay. But it was a distraction because you pressed a button and the bomb went off. Oh, and same with the opening trap. That didn't relate to anything. Yeah, opening traps seem completely disconnected, too. That could have been someone else. That could have been Dr. Gordon that set that up. Even Soul 6, the opening trap was not only one that we thought was pretty interesting, but it was also one that was relevant to the fuck it. It was the insurers. They were doing the similar thing. They were getting punished for the same thing. No, they were bank loans. The whole point was... But it was thematically similar. Exactly. It was bound in this one. It's just nonsense. Yeah, and then what else we got? The traps, a lot of them just either seemed unfair or our main guy was fucking stupid with several of them. And sometimes you can't tell if the character is stupid or if they don't realize... They need to make better traps. They need to make them more tight. There's so many fucking holes. And have we never seen that in a single Saw film so far as someone trying to cheat a trap? Not really. I don't even know if Hoffman cheated that trap. That was incredible. I would like someone to cheat a trap. I don't think it counts as a trap if you were trying to just kill them. If you're just trying to kill them and they escape it, that's like double points. Not a fan of the main character in this one, even though he does come through a couple of times here and there. He still... He does rip his own teeth out. He does do the pack thing. It's just kind of a dumb move. There's no reason why they couldn't have had him succeed in the last trap. Because that was the end. They could have just had him succeeded. But there's like, nah, the wife earns today. Here's the thing. Because it's a part of the formula is for someone to think they've almost made it and be like, oh, wow, I'm going to do it. And then it's like, oh, no, they take that away from me. They're trying to justify it creatively. I'm just saying. They know what sells and they're like, well, I guess we have to do the saw thing. I completely agree with you on this one. Saw one is kind of like, I mean, one of them may have survived the other one's dead. It's like, that's great. Saw two, Donnie Wolberg gets fucked. Saw three, he gets trapped and he killed everybody and then he gets killed, the main guy. Saw four, he gets killed when he did everything right. Saw five, they get out. They actually do sacrifice. He got the incredibly cruel ending. And so, yeah, it seems like this one would have been perfect for like, this was the one he managed to save out of all of them and he saved her in the way that he told her he had, but he did lie about it before. And that's like the most interesting thing that could have happened, actually. What would she say? It gets the worst of both because he does the thing. Yeah, you're right. I think they probably just didn't have enough time while they were trying to do all this fucking Dr. Gordon multiple piggies shit. They were too busy trying to mess things up. Who the fuck were those other two pigs? I was going to say they must have been the other survivors, but no, they have to be in on it. Fuck, I don't know who those other people are. There's something in this movie when Hoffman just walks around the police station stabbing people in the neck. Yeah, that was funny. I will admit. There's also something infinitely funny about this image where he's like birding the place out of the puppet and the background just looks like, like, I feel like we had a good thing. What are you doing this? You see my addresses in this one? I had to smash through a window, it was awesome. You wouldn't want to hurt me, would you? For those who have not seen Jigsaw and Spiral, can you believe there's another two fucking Saw movies after this? Fuck, really? You kind of can, right? Because that's how they always do it. At this point, I'd have a harder time believing they stop. Yeah, a little bit. Yeah, why stop? Why now? Why stop now? In our name, just add no one else who's been dead at this point for more installments than he was alive. That's just how amazing he is. Just add more people that have been there the whole time that we just never saw. And you just keep going forever. I would love that at that point if you really led to it. You added two more people who were always there. The ones who tore Jigsaw, all of his ideas. There are more people that were helping him than weren't. They're all just off the camera in every scene. There's an entire crowd just inches away from the frame. I don't remember Jigsaw, but I remember in the case of Spiral they were making an attempt to let's do this serious. Let's get some high profile actors. Try and legitimize this because it's been a farce. I've seen Spiral and I know Adam has. I think that was the idea. Has anyone here seen Spiral accept me and Adam? I have. That'll be fun. And that idea of this is the final chapter. Let's do something maybe wholesome and thought provoking where somebody solves a trap or gets out alive and then lives their life differently. I just imagine that meme where it's like the corporate meeting room and some guy actually has a good idea that's actually good and he gets thrown out the window like that was probably Lionsgate where it's just like, no we can't do that. This is the last Saw film. We're doing the opposite. We got to double down on the gore thing because that's what we're saw. We do the gore thing every time because that's how the franchise shoots itself in the foot in that way. If you set up a lady to be killed they would be thinking like, oh if she makes it then they don't get to see the death and they're all expecting it so we can't do that. And they would just be like, really? But yeah they want to see what the death is. It's like Mortal Kombat fatalities. For Jill as a character I think it was less about killing her well maybe to the producer Mark Berg it was about killing her but it was more about like seeing the trap in action because that is the signature trap from the first film and so far everyone has gotten out of it. That's the first time we've actually seen it work so I think they thought like this is like a satisfying finally get to see it actually work it. I'm not criticizing the Jill one. I'm gunning for the pig lady getting burned. I could picture them being like we don't want to let her survive because people are here to see her die it's been set up throughout the whole movie you can't just save her. We've got this whole set piece to do. Meanwhile the Jill one I'm with you and I actually think props to the movie quote unquote it's sufficiently gory as a thing it's suitable for the iconic design of the reverse bear trap that you gave it that result that was gross is what I'm trying to say okay you did it it wasn't like shitty CGI or something wouldn't you just rip your bottom jaw off I don't know what the fuck that was about you're right I think you're right you know the way it's strapped to the head maybe I don't know that we saw seven we did it we watched seven of them what an adventure it's been thank you all for watching we'll see you next time see you next time bye bye why'd you bring me