 What a week, another win for the Bengals. I won't spend that much time on them. I am going to give the Lions some much-deserved love and Brock Purdy slaying the goat. We have a goat in his own right, a legend. Hall of Famer, Chris Carter joining us. I haven't talked to him in a while. We'll break down Sunday's action as we piece together the playoff picture. Happy Monday. Let's go out of her boat. One who people don't say hasn't met a motion that he shows. Do you love to see at the Chargers quarterback? Listen, he has been getting it from all sides, hearing it all season, but to put on a show to get his team a 23 to 17 win over the Dolphins. Now what? Well, now, my friends, we take our AFC playoff paintbrush, we dip it in lightning yellow, and we draw and paint that bolt, that beautiful bolt right back into the AFC playoff picture. Justin Herbert, what a game, last night. So my voice is so crazy. I flew across the country, watched this thing 367 yards and a touchdown and he looked, nuh, chef's kiss. Now did he get some extra sleep? Was it some sort of scathing response to the whole social media quarterback ball, the dash flying out there? Did he take a swimstone's vitamins? Maybe, or maybe this is just his third full game with both Keenan Allen and Mike Williams at his disposal. Ding, ding, ding. Maybe that's what it takes. He had receivers. What a thought. And we saw make throws like this routinely. Amazing. This is a little Mike Williams action, but it's not just Mike Williams. Oh, hello, Herbert to Williams. It's not just, yeah, look at that catch. It's not Justin. It's not one, it's two guys, two guys that are out there capable of making those types of grabs. We talked to Austin Eckler. He's the only current player on our show that doesn't come on weekly that we've had on our show twice. We did an interview with him the first week and we dusted one with him last week where I was baffled that he's like the leading receiver for this team. Eckler is awesome, but he should not be your lead dog in the receiving department. I think we saw Justin Herbert in his truest form last night and let's hear it for the defense. Crazy injuries, major injuries, no Derwin, no Bosa, three other starters out and they still gave the Dolphins. The bat, one of the best teams being on a foul question mark. Dolphins, all sorts of problems. Miami, a little too much. Our bozzle for everybody out there. What's going on? Are we worried? Back to back weeks now, teams have gotten aggressive. You can see it out there. They're more physical and that's what you can maybe do with a smaller speedy receiving core and this is what happens. We've seen Tua and the passing game spend in their winter break in Struggle City, if you know what I mean. And I'm not ready to panic, but I very much like the Dolphins in the AFC, but they got to figure it out. Why? Cause they don't have the time and they got to go to Buffalo. I'm going to do another to met him. Not good. And I'm excited to have my guest today to start the show. Chris Carter, a Hall of Famer here. And I want to ask him, what does Miami need to do to adjust to the way defenses that sort of figured them out and started to take them on. And let's pop up the playoff picture as we see it. The one that's beautifully stroked and put together. Yep. So here's what happens. The Chargers, they sneak into the final wild card spot by sorry, Jets. Sorry, Sulla. And the JETS is the Dolphins. They fall two games back of Buffalo now and just a game up on LA and New York. It's important to note the Jets and Chargers currently hold tiebreakers over Miami as well. So they're far from a sure thing to get into the dance right now. Hit me up at Hey At Hey K Atoms, at Up an Atom Show. And here's what else happened yesterday. Okay. The series premiere of the Brock Purdy Experience has been mind blowing so far. Listen, I don't watch a ton of TV but I know this. Series premieres go one of two ways. I watched lots of series premier and I either stop watching or I keep going. You're a slow burn like an Ozark or a Breaking Bad or a Parks and Rec and hot take even Seinfeld. Yeah, even Seinfeld. Slow out the gates. There's low fanfare. There's character development, blah, blah, blah. They almost cancel your show and then it somehow grabs you and lights on fire. Or you're a series premiere and you pop on the screen. You are Matthew Fox in Lost, bartering for extra vodka bottles in the airplane when Oceanic 815 goes down and I'm thinking, who the heck is Jacob for the next five years? Dr. Jack Shepherd is Brock Purdy. Snacking a goat and the bucks around to the tune of 35 to seven. Here are the leading actors after this week's episode. To make your first career start as a seventh round draft pick against Tom Brady in his hometown and not only be completely unfazed but absolutely obliterate said goat. That's sort of unbelievable. Of course, Purdy had plenty of help from the Niners, star playmakers, that defense putting up another gem didn't hurt as well but look at what he was able to do on the day. You cannot take this away from him. Purdy finished 16 for 21 with three total touchdowns and a 134 pass a reading. Now I always try to give you on quarterbacks time before I like to get excited. I always say, well, well who knows what happened? He was in the defense, wasn't ready for him but this was hard. It is hard to watch this game and not say, oh, I will, I will sign up for the free trial of the ABC Go login back in 2011 to watch episode two of Lost. I want to know not Penny's boat. Whose boat was it? I'm getting amped up about what this rookie is able to do out there. Do you remember that ABC Go? And then you have to, the commercial was the worst. Okay, I said on Friday, this game would teach us a lot about both teams. We learned Purdy's good enough to keep this Niners offense rolling. That's now six straight wins for San Francisco six. And we learned that the comeback win over the Saints didn't solve anything for Tampa. They've got serious issues out the wazoo that they need to work out. I mean, at the playoff picture, we look upon it. The Niners have opened a two game lead in the NFC West. They can put the division away with the win on Thursday night in Seattle. Meanwhile, the Bucks division lead down just a game. And watch out for those Panthers people. They've won three out of four. Darnold playing well. They have already beaten Tampa once this season. So you got to look at that. All right, another thing. Chris Carter on the way. I think we're getting him checked in now. I cannot say enough about what the Lions are doing. A lot of fans took Detroit being favored over at Minnesota yesterday as a massive sign of disrespect for what the Vikings have accomplished. And it says season well. The Lions said, shut up. They controlled the game throughout and they came up with the 34-23 win. So now it's five that they've won over the last six. And let's take a look at this. The ties make it a headache. Oh, Jazzy Music here with the Giants and Seahawks losing. Detroit is. Are they going to be in the playoffs? They are inching closer and closer. They are just one game back in the win column of both New York and Washington. And I think there's a few factors driving the run that we saw on display yesterday. The defense, they're not the best, but they've gotten a lot better. They give up some yards through the air to cousins. And I mean, you couldn't stop Jefferson Career High last day. I asked Chris Carter about that. But it was like eating a thing of Twizzlers. Empty calories, right? They held Devlin Cook to just 23 yards out of 15 carries. They still did their things that were better. And the second thing that I noticed was something that I went in depth on last week. And that is, why are we sleeping on Jared Goff? His struggles earlier in the year. That was when Amon Ross, St. Brown, DJ Chark, they were injured. And he finally has both at full strength. Does this sound familiar with not just saying this about Herbert getting Kenan Allen and Mike Williams back? And that's why he had success on Sunday night. Receivers like they're kind of sort of like important, OK? And James Williams is out there as well. A rookie. So 330 yards, three touchdowns yesterday. And look what he's done over these last three games now. Oh, Jared Goff, second in yards, tied for first in touchdowns, interceptions ratio. Third in pass the rating. You surround him with good health, the receivers. And he's going to show what he can do under the stewardship of Jame Campbell. I think the thought earlier this year was, hey, the Lions have got some young good talent. And once they have a solution at quarterback, once they figure out that riddle and get a real guy in the building as a franchise face of the thing, maybe they'll be OK. Maybe they'll be right. And then, of course, Aaron Rodgers will leave, too. And that'll be the real thing to make it happen. No, no, no, no, no. I think that we are seeing Jared Goff say, no, no, no. I am the guy. And maybe it wasn't all Sean McVay after all. Now, do we have time to give love to the team that I love, Conrad? OK. The Bengals. I think people want to say, why do you keep talking about the Bengals? Well, maybe if they stopped winning, I would have a reason to. But Joe Burrow could never beat the Browns. It's all we talked about all week, all we heard about. And he got to win. He got to win 23 to 10. They looked great, great defensive performances. DJ Reader doing his thing. Jesse Bates with a huge play that I was on my couch jumping up and down for, for a lot of reasons, as you can imagine, if the Bengals had simply come in and win, I probably wouldn't be talking about them. But the fact that the offense lost Higgins and Tyler Boyd right in the beginning, the first two snaps of the game people, and they still found a way to make it work. It's as if when they lose a superstar, it helps them develop chemistry and other. Marissa, have you heard this before? Have we talked about this? Yes, they've had issues, all sorts of them, all year. And for them to overcome it is absolutely remarkable. A flea flicker to Trenton Irwin. Really? That's what we're looking at here. Nine to Irwin. Let's go. Why not? Diving catch. Trent Taylor like, I think I can do a diving catch today. Fine, sure, yeah. Burrow and Jamar were brilliant, as they always are. The run game took over with Mixon and P. Right now you got two guys that have some sort of chemistry and have some bravado and have some confidence. And what they're doing, the defense was incredible. And the Bengals keep rolling. This team's playing at such a high level across the board. You know, I love a complete team. If you know one thing about me, you're doing it on both sides, you have my attention. Five straight wins. The Ravens still somehow control the Norah thanks to that head to head to win over Sinsi. The Bengals have moved up to the five seed, meaning they've had a rematch with Tennessee on Wild Card Weekend with where things stand today. So hopefully the injuries to Boyd and Higgins are not serious and they will need them back for sure. But it was awesome to see the team adapt. Like I said, they adapt, adapt, adapt, and rise to the occasion. And that sort of would shake in with them. We've got the playoff picture to break down. We're going to take a short break here. We're trying to get Chris Carter. Maybe he's standing me up. I don't think so. I've got questions to him about Tua. We've got questions. Oh, they're checking him in. We've got Chris Carter on the show after this. And I have a million questions. I hope you're ready, Carter. How does he catch like that? I don't understand how it happens. I love those highlights. Joining us now, a wide receiver, a legend. You played 16 seasons in the NFL three time all pro eight time pro bowler and a Walter Peyton man of the year. Someone I haven't talked to in a long time. Mr. Chris Carter. What's going on with you? How are you? I'm doing great. How are you? I'm awesome. It's crazy. The AFC, the NFC pictures are sort of happening here. And you are the perfect person to talk to. You ready to dig in? Let's do it. All right. Chris Carter joining me. A Hall of Famer talking Chargers and Dolphins. 23 to 17 last night. Justin Herbert. I was just talking about it. He looked really impressive, but he's getting a lot of heat this year. Do you think it's warranted? He had his both with his two receivers back last night. Well, a lot of it's based on expectations. What he showed us in the first two years that he can be the face of the NFL for the next 15 years. But when you get injured, no one makes excuses, but people still want you to play at a high level. But he had some really hard injuries that are hard to play at a high level for a quarterback. So that's why his play suffered not only his injuries, but the injuries to the rest of the team, his receiving core. It's hard for him to play up to his ability when he didn't have the support and cast. So the expectations were so high. But as you can see last night, why do people have those expectations? It's because he has the set, not only the psyche, the mentality, the temperament, but the arm talent, the ability to be able to run and get out of trouble, not forced to football. This makes him a superstar in this league. And we'll see. And they're sitting there in a final wild card situation. And if they get in, we'll see what Staley and that aggressive play calling will get them. Their defense super banged up. I want to talk about the dolphin side of this because somehow defenses are slowly adjusting to this small, fast offense that they're rolling out there. Two has had a couple of rough weeks now, Chris. How did the dolphins adjust right back? I think first of all, we can't overreact to San Francisco. San Francisco can shut down any offense. That's what happened to them. These long trips to the West Coast, typically they don't go with. They stayed out there in LA to be able to play the Rams. I mean, to be able to play the Chargers. So that right there, getting them out of sync. I wouldn't overreact because when you look at the dolphins coming into the season and you say, OK, after week number 12, two is going to be one of the top quarterbacks in the NFL. They're like, wow, I would take that. Now, we have to give the coach in this program a little bit of time because he comes from a run mentality. But he's had a couple key offensive linemen out the last couple of weeks. And it's hard to have a physical mentality when you're rotating offensive linemen and when they're not practicing. So I believe he'll get that running game together. But with that play action pass, you have to have a running attack. No, they haven't called up to him and figured it out. He's just a couple of weeks in a row, he's running to a couple of good defenses. And I was shocked last night that they couldn't run the ball against one of the worst run defense in the NFL. A legend, Chris Carter, saying maybe don't overreact on what's going on with Chua Tunga by Loa. Are you as impressed as I am? And most people are with Mike McDaniel. Oh, absolutely. Even when you listen to his interview, it's like a breath of fresh air like last night they're interviewing him before the game. It was like he wanted to keep going compared to most coaches giving you just five answers. His press conferences. So he's a breath of fresh air into a coaching profession that's been dominated by, you know, very few stereotypes. But that old grandfather yelling at you in your face type, that mold in the NFL in the last several hires has been broken. And I think it's refreshing. Chris Carter, how would you be with a coach like Mike McDaniel, one that's kind of Lucy Goosey and he's not as authoritative as other coaches are? Well, I think that don't take the kindness for weakness because you know, in those NFL locker room, NFL players are crazy. So you have to be able to put your foot down. So what's the respect factor? You know, he respects us as human beings. I'm going to respect him and also have a job to do. And it's important for him to get his job done. I got to do my job. So we're in partnership together. It would have been a blast. And they're winning and they just need to far. They were winning and now they need to find a run game or a way to adjust there. Let's move on to one of your other former teams, the Eagles. So they beat the New York Giants in dominating fashion, Chris, 48 to 22. They're 12 and one, 12 and one. They're the first team to clinch a playoff spot. What have you seen specifically in that Chris Carter way about this Eagle squad? That's the biggest factor for their return to greatness. Well, they're the most dominating team in the NFL. You took every minute of football played in every game. There's been no team that's been more in control of the football game than the Philadelphia Eagles, regardless of who they play. Now, you and I have talked about this for a while. They have a great offensive line. It's been underrated, unheralded. They have a great defensive line. But the difference is the playmakers. People say, oh, AJ Brown being treated. That's very obvious because now they have a combination on their offense as far as who Jaylen wants to go to because to me as a receiving court, I want it like a basketball team. I want to guide the score. I want to point guard. I want to slasher. You know, I want a guy going to be an enforcer. And for them to get off of Zach Erz and allow these younger, wide receivers to take over their passing game with Jaylen, that's a big moment. And on the defense, their linebacking court has been weak for several years. Their secondary has been weak for several years and they have playmakers on both levels of the defense now. So they're a triple threat on the defense like Beyonce. Same thing can do it all. You know how it goes, Kate. I know how it goes. I was waiting. I was waiting for Beyonce reference out of you. Okay, so here's what I'm hearing. They're perfect. I mean, Beyonce, you can't really, there's not really a flaw. No, no, no, no. No, not perfect. There's no perfect team to even Beyonce wears a little makeup to everything. Don't do that. You're going to get it on Twitter. I didn't say it. I love Beyonce. Hi, I love you. I love the BMOG. They do not come after me. I got you. I understand. Be hot, be not. Well, tell me about these Eagles then. They're everyone's favorite. Sounds like they're yours. Who is representing the NFC and the Super Bowl? Well, who do you think can go in the Philadelphia and be able to beat them? You know, with that crowd, that's a tough task. I believe there's only a couple teams can probably do that. One means San Francisco, but they're able to get healthy enough because they can take them out of their running game with a minimum amount of people committed to the line of scrimmage and they have game records on their defense that can change the game in that type of setting. So I do believe the Dallas Cowboys are a good matchup against them. I don't think playing them late in the season will help Dallas out. I believe Philadelphia will have home field have it wrapped up after the Vikings losing in Detroit yesterday. So to me, I think the best matchup would be the San Francisco 49ers. Always a tough out, ask Aaron Rodgers. I wish I could say your Vikings and I wanted to bring them up and maybe if they had won yesterday, but this terrible loss and it's really the defense. And that has to suck if you're Justin Jeffers and having a career day out there just put plainly and you're doing all this offense and then the defense sort of struggles. It has to be gut punching. What is that like? How does it, you know, I hear a lot and you got to take me in the locker room when, you know, there can be some disfunct or some resentment, the harbor when you're not doing your job but we're doing this huge effort on offense. Does that actually affect the team? Well, it affects the team because everyone's picking up a check and you know, all my second says my name. So I like to go do my job. But when you look at in the history of the Minnesota Vikings, I think this is the first time that the defenses gave up five consecutive 400 yard games defensively. So when you're setting records on the negative side, I mean, the criticism is there. Now, I don't look at this loss as devastating as you do. To me, this is their third worst loss that they had. The loss to Dallas was the worst. Philadelphia on Monday night, prime time, they're not getting it done. That was second, but this was third. Detroit is an underrated team and they match up. Especially you have Harrison Smith out of the game. What happened to the defense? We know they don't give up a lot of yards, but gave up two big pass plays that Harrison Smith could have played a role in if he's in the game. And then you're missing two starting offensive line against Detroit. They have a top 10, maybe a top five defense or front. Offensive line is top five in the NFL. So they matched up well. So for me, watching the game, I was apprehensive going into the game, knowing that we had some matchup problems and Detroit exploited that. And you can see that's why they won the game. I think there's still questions about, unfortunately, I mean, there should there be questions about Kirk Cousins anymore? Because we're talking about Brock Purdy and his Niners being the team that could go into Philly and take out Jalen Hurtson Company. So does the quarterback position super matter in the NFC right now? Because it looks like, I'm thinking about Kirk Cousins. Should he be getting that little bit of hesitancy that he still clearly gets from fans out there? Well, this is the thing. This crime time record is what it is. They were able to get the big win in Buffalo. That was one of the biggest wins the fight has had in a number of years, but no other quarterback in the NFL gets more criticism for the inefficiencies of other parts of the team than Kirk Cousins. If I got Mr. Field, man, Kirk Cousins, man, we paid them all that guaranteed money and now we're getting an extension. Man, the DDs are getting burnt toast up down the field, man, Kirk Cousins. Can't believe it, no, Kirk Cousins. Running game, they run on us right up to the gut. Oh, man, that old, Kirk Cousins. But when you look at it, Kirk Cousins, just like Jared Dolf, these guys, people don't respect them, but they are more than enough as far as a quarterback. Now, if they go into Philadelphia, they go into San Francisco, build a win-or-playoff game. We have too many great throws of the football in the league right now. You have to be able to practice your defense. So for me, Kirk Cousins, if that defense gets better, Kirk Cousins and their chances of advancing, they go way up, just like the rest of the quarterbacks. Well, I'm looking at Twitter and I'm hearing you say, I don't know that record. Provide straight games at 400 yards allowed. That sounds bad. You mentioned the DBs there, the 32-ranked secondary in the national football league and the fan base sees a Super Bowl ahead. They want that and they seem fed up and they want to change. There's a lot of fire, defensive coordinator added down the tail out there. Do they need to make a change? I think with the personnel, do you look at, this is the first year, like this is not a Vikings regime that all man, they went to the playoffs, all man, they were disappointed. They were the number one seed. The head coach, the general manager, the ownership is the same, but we got to give them an opportunity. This is the first year. I mean, their head coach man is, I mean, he's just a baby. Yeah. And if you look at how he's handled, the first 10, 12 games of his career, how he's handled adversity, how he's handled the injury situations, like the Vikings have something special in the head coach. They went unconventional as far as the general manager, how they're going to pick their players, being at the facility, how they want the players to operate, how they want the players to act and be themselves. It's totally different than being under Zimmer. So let's give it time with free agency because they got money and they plan on spending it. Let free agency and a couple off seasons with this program see because Ed Donatell is a quality, quality football coach. And when he has good football players, his defenses do well. That's what I know about Ed Donatell the last 25 years in the NFL. Ed Donatell getting, I mean, that's it. That's a huge vote of confidence for him that I didn't know if that was going to mean a lot to Vikings fans. You mentioned the money. Are they going to have all the money after they break up your boy Justin Jefferson? Because I know you were telling them to pay him. Oh, we got to get him. We get a discount right now. Justin Jefferson's got the Blue Lights Special on. Let's sign him up, 35 million a year, tear up his contract. This dude is ridiculous. So, so more than that, you want him to break his highest paid wide receiver. Absolutely. By the time this contract is ready, I mean, they don't have to go find some money for him. If wide receiver, if there are categories and that being releases off the line of scrimmage, catching the ball and track it, running with the football, he does all these things at an elite level. Katie, if I was the greatest Viking to play wide receiver, I'm just holding the crown now until he wants. Until he debos me and say, man, give me my crown. No. God is my witness. He does things at a higher level than any wide receiver, more of them that has played for the Vikings. And we had some great ones and we got a couple that we're going to catch. Now, his run out of catch, his hips, his ability to build a run route without slowing him out of his brand is, it's ridiculous. The kid is amazing in his hunger, his showmanship. Oh, man, he was built to play the position. Okay, well, he's on, and he broke a record yesterday. I like hearing you say, I don't like the crown holding. I want you to say, I'm the best ever. It's too early for him. I played in a different time, different stakes, but he had a great game. I mean, career high, 223 receiving yards for him just yesterday. And he's on pace to challenge Calvin Johnson's all time single season record. But the history of receiver with the Vikings is so rich with you and Randy, of course. So if you were to rank them for 2023 December, December 2022, rather, is it Randy Moss, Chris Carter, Justin Jefferson? What's the order? Well, in all respect, I will take the third position. I believe both of them had a lot more athletic ability than myself. I will make Randy Moss second. And that's a high, high second because I do believe that Justin does a few things better than him, catching them all in traffic. His ability to get in and out of his breaks, the variety in his routes, he goes in motion a lot more than Moss would ever go in motion. Randy Moss is bad too. First ball is called a favor. But it lets you know, it's not to speak bad about the fans that let you know how good Justin Jefferson is. Now, Randy at this level had still scored, I think 10 or 15 more touchdowns. But Randy also in the first three years had me on the other side compared to Adam Thelan. God bless Adam Thelan. But it was a different, different game. I do believe that him and Randy Moss neck and neck, but Justin can do so many things at an elite level. It is what it is, man. When you see a unicorn, you tell people, hey man, that's a unicorn. I, Randy Moss is a unicorn. I think a lot of people would say, Randy Moss is the most dynamic receiver that ever played the game. To see him second on your list is a little bit stunning for me this morning. I was not ready for that. Well, a lot of people probably won't be ready for it. But I was there his first three or four years. I know what he could do. And every receiver has holes in their arsenal. Even guys with gold jackals have holes in their arsenal. Justin Jefferson, there are no holes. There is no what he can't do. And everything that he does, he does at a high level. Releases off the line of scrimmage, recognizing coverages, catching the ball in traffic, durability, showmanship, scoring, running after the catch. I mean, what else? What else are you going to judge? Okay, so tell me this. Well, but you're blowing my mind. I mean, you're acting like this is, I mean, first of all, Lola and Pablo would say that you're number one, Chris Carter. First of all, you're a little adorable puppies who I love and miss hearing about every morning. But this is a stunning take by you. It just really is. I figured it would be, it's always wise to say yourself, then Randy, then Justin Jefferson, because he hasn't earned it yet. So I ask you, if you're telling me that Justin Jefferson is better. Justin Jefferson has the ability to be better. Randy's done it. I've done it. Justin Jefferson has the ability to be better. He does things high at a higher level than we could do it. Now, can he sustain those things? Yeah. That's that for him. Understood. But if you're putting him above already, you and Randy Moss, Chris Carter and Randy Moss, are you, are we going to be putting him in the conversation in your projections with Jerry Rice, whose records are unbreakable, likely? No, he's not going to be able to compete with Jerry Rice. No one ever be able to compete with those numbers. I mean, you have to have, you have to have 10, 1500 yard seasons and three 2,000 yard seasons and you're still short. Well, that's what I think. I think, I, that's so insane. Numbers aren't everything though, right? Cause I was looking yesterday and I said, it was a great game for Justin Jefferson. But I wonder if you asked him, is that the best game you've ever had? Is that your favorite game? I don't know if he'd say that with those 223 and was looking at your game. No. Your career best game was the game against Chicago, I believe, and you had three touchdowns. Am I right in that game? Career best yardage game in that one. But I want to know from you, what is the best game Chris Carter has played using the definition that suits you? Your best or favorite game ever? I think a lot of times just when you're younger and you're really trying to prove yourself or make a mark and I got cut by Philadelphia. And I think five or six weeks later, not even knowing the Vikings offense and giving a opportunity to start before the game because Anthony Carter strained his hamstring, not even knowing that the day before I would be starting playing against the Eagles and that defense on Monday night against Buddy Ryan. That was the best game for him. Look at this, talk me through this. Well, the reason in it was because I did everything that they said that I couldn't. They said I wasn't a deep threat. They said I wasn't a consistent route runner. You'll see right there, I made a big loop around because the Eagle sideline was on that side. I wanted to make sure Buddy Ryan got a good look at the guy he had just cut. I'm loving that. And you know, I had played against the defense three straight years in practice so I was very, very comfortable. That if I got in a situation and we could protect the quarterback that I could do some things against their secondary. So, proving yourself and it was a, it allowed me to reestablish myself in Minnesota. I think that after that game, people looked at me and said, wow, this kid goes into the van. He does that to the Eagles. We might have something special. I think that the play calling and everything else surrounding me being in Minnesota changed after that night. Chris, would you, can you please stay through a break and talk a little Tom Brady with me? Yeah, let's do it. All right, let's do it. Chris Carter sending your questions, incredible stuff. We will hit some of the other games from yesterday right after the break. Hanging out with Chris Carter, a Hall of Famer and third apparently. Such a, such a humble statement by you. I'm still, it's not like you're, I don't know. It surprises me that you would put, you know, but then your heads did a little bit because I asked you in December, 2022, rank those three wide receivers, Chris Carter, Randy Moss and Justin Jefferson. And then you put him at number one, but you said he has the ability to be the best. So he's not the best yet. Randy Moss had the ability to do things that I could think of. Like I could think of things and tell Randy, hey, when you come out of your break, I want you to jab step a little to the safety. I might just, I didn't have the same type of quickness that he had at the top of the route. So I give him credit for that. Randy was a great showman. He dominated the NFL. So I can understand why he would be a higher ranked wide receiver. That's why he's the first ballot all day. What Justin Jefferson does and the level for which he does them act, I have to respect that. Like it's, it's, it is what it is. Yeah. And that's why you're objective and that's why you're such a mentor to some of most, most of these young wide receivers are always bothering you and asking. I mean, I sat at Good Morning Football next to Chris Carter for weeks. We worked together and they were, I can't even, I won't say the names. People calling Chris Carter, asking him for advice, asking him things. You're so connected, not even with players, with front offices and coaches, but, but young, young players, young players calling up Chris Carter, asking him what to do, how to handle things. And I think that's, you know, your ability to separate and to be objective, I think is why you still resonate so much with some of these guys and some of other receivers that are prolific, that have those gold jackets. Some of the connective tissue really isn't there, Chris. Well, if you just look at how this lead in players like myself, other veteran players did things to, so that I can be better, give me information, tips, so that I can get the best out of my career. And for me, continue to work with the National Football League, continue to work with the SpriteCast partners, continue to work with the product, that's the players. So we have injury level players we work with and having the association with them was huge, being a mentor at the combine. As soon as we did them at the last college game, been able to let them know what it takes to play in the sleep and to be able to play for a long time. Because just because you get drafted, that doesn't mean you're gonna have an NFL career. You have an opportunity. And what we're trying to do is to get them to turn that opportunity into a real career, which we had to build and enjoy for a long period of time. And that's what we want for them. Tom Brady's had a long career and it's really well said by you. And he's, I want him to have that same resonance, that same thing that you do. Players reach out to you, you reach out to them. You're not on the field, he is. And yet you cannot tell me. We talked about the Niner side, this Buck side. They can't get it going consistently. You see things very differently and very clearly. Tell me what you are seeing between Brady and his wide receivers and why there is an obvious disconnect there. Well, I think that... Chris. I have to be careful when I say this. But if you look at the... Why? The connection with Brady and Evans. I think that both of them for where they are in their career are just a little tight. Tom's a little out of sync. And because of injuries, you can see that he can't get the top speed. And he doesn't have Antonio Brown. He doesn't have Brock on the other side. And you can see the frustrating mountain. The one thing about Tom Brady that he didn't read the manual for was there is no exit strategy for the NFL. You get in, you try to play as long as you can. Now he has thrown pie in the face of father time. But father time will get the last say. And with the injuries and with not being able to protect him, and Tom Brady never signed up for the physical part of this football. So now people can get closer to him. He's not built for that. And how much longer should he continue to play? All those things are still going on in his mind. Man, I signed up for this. Man, I could be on TV making 30, 40 maybe. Man, I could be sitting at the creator doing this. And then now the personal issues. The man I've lost to my family over this game. And now I'm not having the type of success I'm used to having. Oh man, I guarantee he's second guessing himself. You think Tom Brady's really, you think he regrets coming back? I regret, if I could speak for Tom, which I can, he probably regrets us knowing the information that we know now. He would have much rather been out of the game and then him not being able to solve his relationship with his spouse. But every day being in the news and that type of thing, man, that's where it's on. Part of me though, Chris, part of me is like, I think Tom, if Tom Brady played for the Chicago Bears and it went poorly, he would almost prefer that than not playing at all. I think he's some sort of different wired animal where he just doesn't, it's not the winning he's obsessed with, but it's the playing that he can't seem to walk away from. So I'm looking, I'm thinking about it. There's a lot of smoke behind him continuing to play. We keep hearing about that. Do you think that he goes somewhere else next year? Do you think he hangs it up? Okay, you got it right. Tom Brady's crazy. He's crazy about this girl and it's called football. Yeah. He's, and the Super Bowl in Tampa, I'm gonna share this with you. The night before the game, I happened to meet up with Tom Brady's dad and asked him what he thought, you know, what he thought about the game, it's the opportunity to win again. He said the only thing he's worried about is the kid, the kid won't go home. He said, he said the kid is outside still playing and he won't come in, it's raining, everything. He said, I'm only afraid that the kid won't stop playing even if he wins. He won that game and he's still playing. So the dad told me, so it is a problem. And where is he gonna go? Well, he's a drug man and there is no other office job. There is no other partnership. There is no other relationship. Like we got great players broadcasting, running teams doing, it's nothing like the NFL. And it's not a closed second. I don't care what they're doing. I don't care what kind of money they make because the half people cheer you and the people cheer against you and you come over or overcome all the odds, 70, 80,000 week after week, year after year, the host of Lombard, seven times. Man, that's a drug and he's got it, he's got it back. Okay, but the story with drugs, sometimes it ends okay and sometimes there's help and there's a situation and sometimes it's bad. So talk to me about how it ends for Tom Bray. How does it end? What is it gonna take for him to come in from outside as a kid playing football? Everyone remembers Michael Strahan walking off. Everybody remembers Ray Lewis walking off, but the truth of the matter is they couldn't play no more. Their bodies were wrecked and everything that they could, they could keep going. Tom is healthy enough to continue going, but there is no exit strategy and his career will end just like Dan Marino. It will end just like Joe Montana. It will end just like Walter Payton. Everybody still wanting another drink at the cup, but realize that man, time has passed me by with all the accolades that he has, the greatest football player and there is no dispute about it, but it lets you know how phenomenal it is to be a player in the NFL and how precious it is. It's so true. On the other side of this one is Brock. I mean, it can't be good to be the goat out there playing in your hometown and Brock Purdy shows you up. Brock Purdy looked unbelievable. I mean, stop, he looked really, I believe in Purdy. Don't you? This is what, and people keep missing this. I believe in Carl Stanningham. I believe that whoever he has in that quarterback room will be taught at an elite level. It's just like Sean McVeigh, the law man Baker Mayfield resurrected this career. I believe in Sean McVeigh. Like these guys are special at what they do and that's why they get the best out of the talent there and Purdy is a product of sitting there, listening to Kyle, listening to their system and the other quarterbacks there, but he can play in this league if he's in the right system. And Kyle, you have to give him a lot of credit for getting that kid ready the way he delivered the football. He looked so good and there is a report this morning they're looking at his oblique. He apparently injured it in the second quarter. This just came out, but he played through it but they've got a short turnaround. So we're of course looking at that, the bigger injury on the Niners and there's defensive ones we can get into is Debo Samuel. Now he's, in my opinion, a game changer. I want your opinion on this and what do you think their chance is moving forward without him because we don't know exactly how long he'll be out. He's carted off the field, it was an ankle sprain. Can the Niners keep it going without him? It's gonna be hard because they have a very, very different offense. Now it seemed like vertically they challenged the defense more down the field and if they can continue to do that it should open up things. But what I would be concerned about is a normal high ankle sprain for a wide receiver. And typically as a wide receiver, when you're outside it only affects you a certain degree especially when you take off and then when you stop. But when you are a utility player and you are running the ball, the high ankle sprain has no stability. So for you moving laterally it becomes hard. So for me, this is not a regular wide receiver injury. He runs the ball, they pitch him the ball, he plays tail back. And I do believe that that will be affected more than if he was just a pure wide receiver playing outside the numbers or playing in the slot. So for me, that's what I'm going to watch for. Not only when will he be back but when will he be back healthy enough that he can be debunked because you need your ankles to play with that type of mentality. Like, you need to be healthy. Yeah, it's not always certain that Christian McCaffrey will stay healthy into the playoffs. He's never played in the playoffs before. There's always issues with that. So something to certainly keep an eye on. All right, we hit Beyonce, Lola, Pablo, Tom Brady Sr. and all of it. Chris Carter, it is so good to see you and hopefully we can have you back. Or when next time you're in Lola you've got to come in person. I know you're enjoying life in Florida though. I know. It is hard to get you to leave Florida. You see the sunshine. I do. You're the best and an absolute legend. Thank you. Thank you. Be good, gang. Thank you. I will see you soon, hopefully. We'll be back right here on Up In Addams coming up local heroes. A certain someone from Jacksonville showed up and showed out. We will get to that big thanks to Chris Carter. It doesn't have to make the time. Makes the time. I appreciate it. Some performances get lost in the shuffle on Sunday. So many games. Scott Hanson, Anderson, Liana. They just, they move on too quick. From this to that to that. Never pee in eight hours. And then you lose it. And it gets lost in the Sunday soft. So that's what we do here. Spotlighting the local heroes. And I want to talk about one from a team that we, I don't know, have talked about much other than having their mascot in a Speedo. I think that's literally the only thing we've talked about with Jacksonville this year. Thanks, Brian. Brian's laughing. The Jags, 36 to 22. I want to talk about Evan Angrum. They beat the Titans. Sorry, Titans fans. We know you watch and we appreciate it. But Angrum, set career highs across the board. 11 catches, 162 yards and two touchdowns, including, I mean, you just, we just want to show this. Look at this grab. All right, Trevor, a little, ooh, ow, man. This former first rounder took a lot of heat from Giants fans over the last few years. Can't say healthy. Can't get you bald to save him life. He was basically the Nelson Aguilar fire truck thing of the tri-state metropolitan area of New York City. He couldn't catch. He's got drops. So it's awesome to see him get a first star. We are a first start show. We are a take two revitalize hero show. And he's a local hero today. The Jags clawing their way back within two games of the free-falling Titans for the AFC, South Bleed, Titans don't squander this, don't do it. Should they've put in the claim for Baker Mayfield? Magic Mayfield out here? I don't know. Instead of Varian Tannehill, what's going on up there? We'll talk about that on tomorrow's show. We've got more to come here. Hamilton and I will kick you through the madness of yesterday. NFL week 14 comes to a close in Arizona. Tonight, home of the Super Bowl. There's a potential playoff spot. Not the only thing online. We enter Monday night. Perfect picks presented by Visa. All you gotta do is answer 10 questions about tonight's matchup and you can win a share of $10,000 in cash prizes. That easy, visit pandual.com to enter as I say, hello to my little friend, Matthew Hamilton. What's going on man? What's up, guy? How's it going? Sure, I don't know what time zone I'm in, but here I am. Good game of football. Good day of football yesterday, no? Yeah, it really was. A lot of excitement, I gotta tell you. I'm getting kinda hyped up about Brock Purdy. I understand what Chris Carter was saying and Kyle Shannon and all that, but I don't know if Nick Mullins is doing what Brock Purdy did yesterday. I don't think we could just totally dismiss it. I'll say this, on every call life, and I talked to Hamilton literally 17 times a day, every time Brock Purdy came up, I could tell that Hamilton's trying not to take the bait and get reeled in by Purdy and you, but we should have. We should have done the whole, we're all in on Purdy, because we would have looked so smart for what he did yesterday, but you wanted to, but you stopped yourself, which I respect, and it was the right decision, but you ate all the, you were eating all the Kool-Aid, drinking it all. Yeah, and I try not to do that, just like you. Like I try, you know, we gotta take things with the grain of salt, get enough of the sample size before we really make declarative statements, but there's clearly something special about this kid that the team is rallying around. So we're in? I don't think you can totally dismiss that. I'm in, let's do it, we're in. Yeah, I think I was worried about, if we're in, what does it mean for the perception of Jimmy Garoppolo to protect him and put him in bubble wrap? But now, Jimmy G, see you later. We're on the Brock Purdy train here on Up and Atom Show. We'll see you tomorrow. Thank you to Chris Carter for spending so much time with us to kick off a week, a big week. Lots of great guests on the show.