 Thank you so much Hong for coming today and all the work that you do with FOS Asia and OSI and for stepping up to take on Josh's role today, so I know that was last minute. Thank you very much again for having me and I'm so excited to play a moment so yeah and please introduce yourself too as well. Yes I will yeah so thank you for having me I'm going to speak about building bridges between open source communities based on the story of FOS Asia and disappearance I can offer the past ten years of building community in Asia. A little bit about myself I'm one of the founders of the FOS Asia organization and I also act as the vice president at the open source initiative and work on an inner-source topic as Solando. So based on what I've written here I don't want to say I'm really lucky to be able to work with different communities in three continents around the world and I'm really looking forward to to share more of the stories today. A little bit about FOS Asia and the journey of how we actually building a community in the start. So FOS Asia basically the idea is to foster open source movement in Asia and the regions met like over ten years ago. Of course open source term is already there but you know when you look at the the contribution map of people around the world Asian community in also central and our ideas were to foster more the open source adoption and also increase the number of contribution coming from this part of the world. So what do we actually do so for Asia organization we focus on three main areas. As many other open source organization open stack or root pool fedora we develop software and we release of course our software and projects under open source license everything can be found on on GitHub. We also organize a lot of events in order to bring people together. So we have a similar to the open-shape comments we have the FOS Asia summit that happened every year in Singapore and throughout the year. We organize smaller event and we help in different cities where FOS Asia members are. We and apart from that we organize program online program where people can participate. We have coding contest we're doing hackatons and collaborate with the university and college to deliver some courses online. How do we sustain the operation of the organization basically through software as a service we also offer hardware merchandise we organize the fun events from sponsorship and we offer consulting services. So these are just some photo of our developers in the FOS Asia community and I would like to give some numbers so that we can have a little picture of the scale and the size of the community. We hosted all our projects on on GitHub and mostly every 15 minutes there will be a most food quest. We have about 35,000 people subscribed into the mailing list and social media. On GitHub we have around 4,000 developers of course not everyone is active but like people come in and are over the years and through the programs that we run every year we train about 2,000 new joiner and developers to contribute to open-sort project not only from the FOS Asia project but many people contribute to project that foster in the whole ecosystem. We often organize meetings and event where people can get together in a smaller group according to their location. We maintain an FOS Asia blog with about 100 plus authors written technical articles related to projects that we develop. So these are a few projects that we develop with the FOS Asia community over the years. So say I which is in alternative to Google Home or Alexa Echo. We have our own source engine like a suspect. We have an open-sort game, Labydream or Melix, our own desktop environment. PocketSignLab on the top right you can see BSLab.io is an open-sort hardware that we fostered recently in the event management system. So many different topics based on the interests of the community and I would like to go a little bit back into the history what brought us here today. So in 2009 my partner Mario Bellin and I founded the FOS Asia with the goal to connect community in Asia with the global FOS developers as mentioned earlier. And in this year so the first thing that we released to connect with the community we hosted the GNOME Asia the first time in Vietnam. And by doing this we got connected with people, GNOME users. There's many Linux user groups around Asia, the neighboring country in Vietnam, in Cambodia, Singapore, Malaysia and many more. So when we hosted the GNOME Asia event the first time in Vietnam we got connected with the GNOME Foundation where we get many speakers coming from GNOME and we learned from them how they run the community at the same time. We take this chance to connect with the local Linux user group and started to develop our own Linux distribution as mentioned it was the core of the Melix one of our Linux distribution later on. In 2010 so we continued to kickstart more projects and this year we hosted the mini DevCon where we get connected with the DPN community. DPN of course had a very long history of development and we were very lucky to get many DPN developers to join us and share their knowledge, how they set up infrastructure and how they draw the communities about their project. We take them as an example and continue to build up the community around our projects and in this year we move on from the GNOME Asia Summit to host the FOSS Asia Summit the idea to bring different projects together GNOME, DPN, VLC and we basically we opened a platform that invite different organizations who wanted to connect with the Asian community. So for many people reaching out to Asia is not only about localization to get to entry the number of users but with the hope that they can gain the contributors through the very big Asian community and we started to open the platforms invite many different projects to join us. This is some picture taken in 2010. I want to share a little bit of lesson learned from this. So when we started to build a community in Asia one thing that we find very important is to understand the community landscape which is to understand the demographic what kind of people that involve that surrounding participates region what kind of programming languages that are interested in their profile their basic knowledge and of course we need to understand like what are the barriers for people to participate in open-source projects for instance back then in Vietnam English is still a barrier is not the case right now as people getting much better in communication with different languages but in the beginning it was difficult to get people on board and we need to understand the interests of the community in this region of course like unlike Europe or America. Traveling from places to places is a big thing for for Asian people especially we don't have the you know vis-à-vis restriction from places to places it's very difficult mega difficult for people to travel and that's why there's a lot of desire from the community that they can go out of their country to connect with other people and we see that this is an opportunity how to motivate people to to engage. In 2011 we focused on design topics so we connect with people by organizing more open design events so basically show people what are the things that they can do with face software so there are many of course there are a lot of problems that we can fix with software but we realize that there is an interest in young people in this region around graphics design so we show them what kind of liberal tools are available that they can make use of for their projects and this year we actually connect with the liberal graphics community many designers and artists coming from from Europe to join our design week and they bring in their knowledge and experience of how to not only use open soft tooling for design but how to share design and how to contribute back to projects like game or in-scale and it's a basis for for us to reach out to more people like from university from our students and design to foster more the adoption of open source. This is some pictures in 2011 and the lesson that we learned this year to get to the community you need to be part of the community of course you need to to see to bring to bring software that satisfy the need of the people in this case it was designed and and out for the student in that university work with positive brain and image so of course the people want to associate with a positive community that doing cool thing that help the ecosystem and one thing that we focus a lot for our community is to show people that the opportunities that open source can bring to them like recognition the opportunity in the future that they can get a job or they can have get a chance to travel elsewhere to connect with other community members and one thing that the tooling that you that you use and choose for your development should be something that the local community or the members that you want to reach out that you want to engage a cost a custom with in 2012 we continue to develop more application and that was also our second year of google summer code this is one application Femme app which allows you to to send photo in different social media and so we have the advantage for for being part of some like coding program like you know some of us giving a chance for us to connect with projects all over the world so during this so as you know if some of you participate in the program you understand that the contribution that you get from this program sometimes is not so big because the student needs a lot of guide and an effort from the mentor to contribute but through this program we got a chance to connect with over 300 different organizations and projects around the world that open up many possibilities for us and many learning opportunities how we can improve the practice and the approach that we that we want to follow in our own organization and in 2013 we continue to foster open source in education and moving our infrastructure to host this solution so at that time before this year so we run everything on ourselves but we started to realize that we want to focus more on development rather than spending time to maintain the infrastructure so we decided to move our projects to GitHub yeah so some people also asked why GitHub not not GitLab or not an open source tooling but our decision was based on the people that we have in the community the developers as on GitHub so we just had to make the decision where people more accustomed to this is some workshop that we organized through our Vietnam in collaboration with school and university um yeah so this is in 2014 we moved the First Asia Summit to Cambodia and this is also the year that we started our first open source hardware projects uh this is the pocket science lab and they um this is the one the the latest version actually before when it wasn't like this the reason why we uh we wanted to to invest our time and effort into open source hardware because one of the participants of the First Asia Summit was a teacher coming from India came to us with a problem asking us how we can make a science topic more interesting for the students many students in India they don't have access to devices and the same as our East Asia in order to learn basic automatic experiment if there is something that they can touch they can measure could be much better and more interesting for for for the young student and he asked us whether is there anything in the open source that he can use so that was the reason why we said okay so this is an interesting problem to solve and some of our developers really interested in the hardware development therefore I decided to develop this pocket science lab so so basically it's a small device that has many features built in for instance oksiloscope multimeter logic analyzer weight generator everything built inside the device you just need to connect it together with us with your mobile phone through ruin app and then you can just use this as a normal oksiloscope or multimeter yeah and we we release the design open source the firmware also open source and this project brought us a lot of opportunity to connect with the hardware and community in in china so we produce this hardware in sunshine at that time one of our community member who spoke actually chinese go to china connect with many local community there is a do-it-yourself community in sunshine and we also have many years connection with the linux user group there and this was this project was give us a chance to we will give us a chance to to work closely with the people and engage with them on on this project something that we learn from from the hardware production that i want to share with you production in china right it's always easier if you have a chinese speaking person and if you reach out to the local community they are more than willing like to help you and support you along the way it is a longer development cycle compared to software high investment and high risk of course in order to to make this investment you need to think of a self-funding model before you do so the build of materials this is something that normally if you need to do a prototype of production the manufacturer will ask for the build of materials that you need to send them in advance and many other things that you need to to understand for instance re-manufacturers offer which is something that's cheaper than the normal paths but you need to like pay attention that need to test everything and you need to understand like holidays is a schedule of the manufacturers and their availability so these are some of the lessons that we learn from hardware production of course i'm not going to go into detail we have we document the work and if you are interested in doing hardware we can share more later in 2015 that was the year that we moved our false asia summit to to singapore and and started to home the false asia summit in singapore the reason why we pick singapore or as the place if you are familiar with the policy in ancient country so singapore is really open and inflexible unlike many places to run an event in singapore you do not require an event license yeah and the government have a strong support to to the tech community and also to open source community so that's why we we moved to singapore in this year beside the false asia summit hosted in singapore we also partnered up with the open tech in in europe where we organized together the open tech summit europe so basically this is the continued version of the linux path if you if some of you know about the linux trust after the linux test ended a few people in the community want to continue the momentum that's why we work together with them to run the annual open tech summit in in Berlin in the same year we started to work on event yay system which is our own open source event management management that help us do to run our events so if you can think of something like event pride or or shade so so this is include payment system call for speaker in scheduling that anything that you can think of as an organizer point of view so everything included in in this event yay system in 2016 we launched the code heat online coding program as mentioned earlier to help people to to guide people how to actually contribute to do to open source projects in a practical way so basically what they do is to go on on github and fix issue or open pull request directly and get comment and guide and fundamental directly on on the issues so so basically we we give the prize we send out prices like certificate a squag and also the winner can can join us at the false asia summit in in singapore and we only train for three seasons three season and every season we got about six hundred fifty to seven hundred participants and two thousand more school pull request every every season this is some of the outreach activity that our community member have us to organize in in india lesson that we learned from from this year and of course so a when when you run any program or when you want to get contributed to your projects you need to have a very clear expectation in we try to keep every repository of false asia with a contribution guidelines making very easy for people to to find the answer or to set up locally and we also encourage peer reviewers the minimum two reviewers for pull request and we try to promote mental rules developers we started to realize that people are very happy to have each other so when you have people when you have somebody to to fix a problem it's feel that a big achievement and a lot of our members like to do to mentor the new commerce so we foster more and power people into this direction siren have workshop so this is some of other activity we do in in belgium india and similar to siren have day in in singapore in 2017 we we developed the documented the best practices that we published on our on our blog there's some of the things of course like everyone is here probably aware of this but it's always important to writing down and to direct people into the documentation so some of the practices that we share was to march issue with the pull request or to break big issue into smaller issue to always provide test for whatever you build i i i mean like listening to the talk today and like test for mentioned a lot and of course it the same for for many open source project change so so make sure that you state your changes in the pull request and encourage people to review each other prs and document a wide coding earn to write access so basically there are different access level in the project and people should earn it by by their contribution and one thing that we learn after many years is to stop people from having private chat so if anything related to development of a project we we encourage people stop to to pin the the maintainer or developer but rather have the conversation directly on on our like public github channel of the project and in the same year we develop suci ai as i mentioned earlier this is an open source conversational framework and and with our experience in building hardware we again prototype this speaker based on the the recipe pie and then we and then we actually got in touch with the dbn community that had to package for for suci for for dbn and the project is to continue to develop until today but it's just some of the features one nice thing about this project is the skill cms so we try to engage more non-technical people non-technical contributor into the development so we try by default making very easy for contributors we develop the skills cms that allow people to read a skill skill basically a light of code that had that allow you to to connect with to speak to the device and people can write skill similar to how did Ryan wiki pd a beta article in 2018 we go out more to connect with our community by having events in india redoing you got first a hack tackling the indian way and then we also partner up with unesco to organize hackathon in vietnam and in singapore and this is our event with the hardware community in china and one thing that we've been doing for the past four or five years which is to bring our community to participate in the ccc the cows computer congress this is the biggest hacker conference in europe in germany so many projects that are there i think last year's was 16 000 people and we learned a lot from from from the participants here people we have a both there people come by and give us advice how to to fix our design on the hardware and we get the chance to connect with many other projects in 2019 last year we celebrate our anniversary and like i'm very proud that we managed to go through this 10 years and of course it's not the end for us we continue to work more the first project that we the first new project of 2019 was to to take over voice republic and really this this project opens all this is an audio streaming platform that used by many type in art events and as the maintainers not be able to to continue anymore we take it over and force is under the force asia umbrella in this year we also launch the force asia academy with the hope that to to offer courses and lessons to to do more um students or our open source this is some of the workshop we run with our partner in singapore in 2020 for this is a year of challenges for us what happened this year earlier this year in in january and february we organized our open tech summit in bangkok and in yangon before the pandemic for the first time we organized the materials of online offline event of the force asia summit in singapore where we learn a lot just like the end of today about how to learn and learn how to run an offline event for us it was also a huge lesson of how to streaming and do everything ourselves we because all the all the problems that happening around covic 19 production become very difficult in china and also distribution some shipping and everything so we explore the possibility of local production so we participate in one project with the with the EU of how to foster an ecosystem where you can build your own design locally you make a hardware you send the the design into a maker space or the fab lab and produces yourself and last month we also partnered up with UNESCO IBM and SAP children the hackathon called the curve on solution around covic 19 one thing that we want to focus on this year seeing people so it's difficult for people to get face-to-face connected we we hope to to focus more on documentation around our projects like a thing it makes my thing easier for people to get on board and we we we also learn every day how to maintain a healthy and connected community during this this time and for the past few months that we've been working on the next version of event yeh vs lab in susie line a quick summary of what i mentioned i hope that that is so i don't go too much over time so we just end very quickly develop best practices and friendly and open community constantly attracting new talents through coding programs so most of the coding programs run online and remoting mentor roles so you need to understand what your contributors and developer want to want to achieve and want to do and give them the opportunity to to do what they like and of course in order to sustain the development you need to think of different income stream and model that can fund your project running a lean organization and infrastructure with more also with a small team so if instead of investing in infrastructure if you can also the infrastructure and make it a more lightweight so your developer can focus on development and partner up with other enterprise and other false projects so as mentioned we partner up with with other projects but open up a platform for them to join us at foster we also work to with partner with with the with the tour or we have friends from from bloc so we also promote mech louse and we are a big fan of other open source tooling and at the same time in foster collaboration people also use our software test our software and give us feedback okay so if you i just want to invite you to check our event if you run event online and later later this year we're going to launch the open hardware campaign where we show people how to be open hardware what kind of licensing and and how do you how you can produce locally we have we're running coding programs like code heat and hackatons we are welcome to it's other organization to reach out to us to to connect with our communities many projects of us are valuable on github if you want to check out the the code or want to participate and finally the false asia academy is on if you have any causes or lesson that you want to share with reach out to us you can find false asia on lint end on twitter github and you can also find my contact easily there if you would like to to reach out to me i'm i'm happy to share any lesson that i learned during the past few years and this is the end of this presentation awesome thank you very much so those of you didn't realize we threw hung into the fire here at the last minute and she has done a tour to force in giving us the the the background and the history of all the collaborations that false asia has done it really it's impressive well hung has been talking we've been having in the chat some in a couple of chat spaces some interesting conversations as well one of the things that really impressed me with the work that you do is your emphasis on coding workshops and events around coding to drive contribution and community engagement and and that that's something that we're you know honestly we we do a lot of in open shift on the corporate side of the stuff but not so much on the open source side of things and i think that's that's something like a big takeaway for me is as people have been starting to ask us about you know could you host an open shift commons boot camp on such and such or this and and i'm wondering if that's is that a one of what you would consider one of the keys to your success is having all these face-to-face things and then the corollary to that is how are you going to run those now in a world that's gone virtual due to covet it and i think you're you're muted again you're self-muted there hung there you go should be unmuted can you hear me now i can hear yes there you go okay okay good so um do um yeah so during the coveted dimension do you want to assemble so we uh together with uh UNESCO so we hold the online uh hackathon where people can come together to work on on the topic and then we also promoting different projects that being done in in asia for instance i don't know if you're aware of the um the trace to break together projects released by the singapore government under open source so um and in taiwan as well so there are many initiatives that going on at the moment what we learned so far is that each region they started their own initiatives and there is a lack of communication and the lack of unification how people can actually come together and share what they have developed so so i believe that people everywhere also seem to like develop similar solutions like chase together in vietnam we have our own solutions Cambodia our own solutions so i think the thing that we we want to do now is to actually bring people together i i'm really appreciate to have a chance to be here today just like you then you want to create a platform where people can actually share what's going on um around this topic and uh our hope would also drew us more project in asia could present and um and and and and being heard and more visible to to the people from from the west yeah yeah i think i think that's one of the the key thing me there's always the time zone challenges which uh alana and gris and everybody else uh have have accepted and taken on that challenge today so thank you uh and alana i i know you work with um hung and you're also on the board of osi and hung you've got a secret identity there is a the vp of the osi initiative but um alana in in your work at the osi level um can you talk a little bit about how osi has been helping to bridge some of those um between different communities absolutely uh yeah i'm i'm the chair of the membership committee and so one of the things that i work on within the osi is engagement with affiliate members and actually it was really great coming on uh like sort of the top of the hour when i did because one of the folks that i have been engaging with a lot in my affiliate meetings has been theory uh so uh one of the things that we have been doing is holding quarterly meetings for all of our affiliate representatives to come together and about topics that are important to them talk about how the osi can support them and facilitate those conversations and we're experimenting with a few different things and then as far as time zones go because it is a global community i tend to hold two of these calls so i'll hold one aimed at like asia pacific time zones and one aimed at like m as a europe middle east africa time zones because i'm in the united states i have to be able to attend both so my time zone is not optional but um that's one of the things that we are doing and we're currently working on investigating like other ways that we could potentially support our members and uh you know bridge these uh different communities uh one of the things that we have upcoming as well as here is a state of the source uh conference a virtual conference we haven't held one before so i think that's still in the planning stages but uh very exciting so so gris um being from google and um google has a wonderful google of summer and all kinds of wonderful coding events and things that help bring people together what what what do you see as some of the useful tools that we might take away from um to bridge some of these communities yeah so actually some of the experience that i have it's outside google and i think like i can i can relate a lot to to what han was saying like last year i partnered with a few people down in mexico i'm originally from mexico and we have been doing a lot of efforts to bring open source communities and participation of latin folks in open source projects and the challenge across latin america is that so many countries have different initiatives that are there are so also like disconnected then last year we created this event called the cumbre de contribuidores the open source software which is like the first summit of contributors for open source open source software in latin america and that event helped us realize about all uh initiatives going in so many countries that we couldn't connect so what what did i learn from that first event was that uh what han said it's very challenging to learn what is happening in the world if you were living one of these countries so you are somewhat disconnected like we heard a lot of stories that language is one barrier in which you cannot access these events but also you are not in the know of like when are this happening where should i travel to how should i like register even to some of the foundations that do open source and because language and availability of these resources is such a high barrier these people don't engage so that that is potentially what how some segregation right and now speaking a little bit to what we have done at google going into these global programs like google summer of code or internships that we like this year for for instance we're hosting uh interns from around the globe to work in open source um projects given that we are distributed i think the fact that google is such a well-known institution kind of makes people gravitate towards that so there's people like find like searching on the internet or trying to do research they will find programs driven by google but they won't find programs driven by less known communities like this community we were trying to to foster in mexico or the same community that somebody was trying to foster in argentina or in other spanish-speaking country so i think like just bridging those those gaps on like how do we let other people know that we're working similar efforts and that these things are happening is is is a key and for like actually alana i think like some of the people who created this this organization with us in mexico attended one of the quarterly partners meeting and it was such a moment of realization of oh my god there's so many communities so many resources that we need to leverage and now they have ideas on how to like connect and stop reinventing the wheel but start partnering more with the central tools and services that's so awesome to hear yeah yeah i think that's like organizations like osi um have have do do a really nice service of of like helping to bridge all of that information um and and do that and the interesting thing for me is today like i didn't expect um to hear like the history of fos asia um or to learn more about what's going on in open infrastructure um in the summit and that and different places but i also think that um as community development people as people who are managing this running foundations participating foundations that we are kind of the glue like the hallway conversations that we all have when we're at at oscon I wore my oscon memorial hoodie here but these events where we actually get to go to is where i would meet people like gris or with daniel or alana or hung in in the past and and now without them um one of this this is my um little attempt today at trying to bridge um and re glue us all together again so we can find out what each other is doing um because we're we're missing that i mean we are in some of us we're in our technology silos right so i'm definitely in a cloud native uh silo very kubernetes centric kind of world these days with a dash of open stack and prometheus and about 20 other initiatives but i i don't hear about what's going on in asia or mexico um as much than other than throughout through my colleagues at red hat who are down there who say okay diane we need you to do something here or find someone to speak there so i i think events like today which i i really love hosting things like this where we keep showcasing different initiatives and around the globe um and and i like alana's idea about um having the two meetings i've seen that kube flow does that um some you know other initiatives do they have one in the morning one in the evening and hopefully in my schedule i can get somewhere because i'm always in west coast time which is always meeting in the middle but um i i think that's really part of it too is is the language barriers um and the time zone issues that we have and and not ignoring them like not trying really hard not to be north american and mea centric is really um that and then having having making sure we make the bridges to the other communities and to the other regions is really been um is key because when i usually think when i think when i initially talked about doing this talk i was thinking about bridging other open source projects like in the cloud native states that was really i i'll be honest it wasn't about bridging regions and organizations it was more about that but i think you've turned my perspective on its head so i don't daniel if you want to add in something on that oh yeah it was i was so you know i'm part of the inner source commons um and one of the first uh contributions we are we are having the community are translations the translations specifically to chinese and japanese and german and french maybe so those are kind of the very first uh well kind of easy places to go and help the community and this is at the same time you are lowering the barrier you are entering to the community because then you are having this translated to other languages and that's absolutely great so yeah so i was i was thinking about how to engage with new contributors and then i was linking this idea with what he already said before about how you grow the next generation of leaders for the community so how can this be and instead of being so perhaps in even uh english centric or so even when this is this is the language that we all understand each other or or some of us at least um how to grow the community to other areas of the world um even more i know that yeah and i've been talking to you several times about the cultural differences this book i was reading the cultural map which is absolutely great um perhaps i know how to talk with other spaniards because i'm really from spain or or to some other people but then when you change the country or or the you know the cultural background it's like oh so what do you do now and so i would like to bring the the work we are doing with uh together with the asf so chris is the position of dp of t and i right yes um so maybe maybe you can you can bring some more insights about the some of the survey results we have yes uh so to daniel point a very interesting hypothesis that we have been exploring is that concept of cultural differences because even the like open source is global and you expect people to collaborate on the same projects and oftentimes we don't take like step back and understand two things that the person that is working with you and solving the same issue might come from a different working culture where that person might be waiting for permission or validation or acknowledgement before making a contribution and you are expecting that person to just go get it because that because that is what you understand as open source so that is one of the of the concepts that we were researching with with daniel on the asf and we have this also another concept which is the cultural migrants migrants the person who like was born and raised in a culture but later in life moved to either study or work in a different culture who has had that switch of like the need to adapt and understand multiple cultures because that kind of like opened your perspective into being able to to notice and and see like oh maybe that person is trying you know like is waiting for me to respond or waiting for me to to collaborate in something whereas like people who haven't experienced that it's harder for us to think that you know like beyond the screen beyond the open source project that might be other nuances that that can be helping us you know like stay within the same group of people the same project and not really bridging all the the cultural richness so that is one of the insights that that one of the hypotheses that we have been investigating and I think it's very interesting to see so when when do you think you'll have the results of this research that you could come back and share it with us again I think that's it's really I think everybody in our heads we know that it's true we just don't know all how it's happening and what we can do to facilitate better conversations and people's engagement in our community so I think that will be the interesting thing for the application of that. Yes so these research that Daniel and also another professor alike there's there's multiple people behind this research but the the research had three stages the first stage was like a survey in which we just collected information from people at the ASF we're moving into a second phase in which we are going to be applying interviews precisely to deep dive into these hypotheses and understand more on how can we facilitate or improve those those situations so at the end we also have a third stage in which we're going to do like an analytic quantitative analysis to kind of like ground the research and so your question was like by when right now we already have the survey finished and we're going to be sharing it soon right then Daniel? Yeah yeah we we had a couple of dates already so Asia Pacific friendly and Europe and Middle East Africa friendly so the first one is this 19th so this Friday right? Yes and it's public it's going to be open it's going to be recorded so we're going to be sharing the results. Perfect. The important part though is that this this first sharing only contains the survey results I think like the rounded report we're looking to write will come when we have the interviews and the quantitative analysis to again like have a very well rounded insights and recommendations. So Ilana and Hong is this resonating with you this kind of creating some awareness around cultural differences and you know I know you Hong you were talking about being able to get some exposure for the initiatives for FOS Asia but is that is it a one of the other limiting factors is is the cultural differences or different approaches to how communities engage? I'll let Hong speak to that one I think she's got more experience with the international events that I do. Yeah so yes so I mentioned earlier in my talk of course I think cultural differences is something that we really need to to look into as you know a lot of discussion around the world right now about how do you behave in a certain way so there is a huge movement around the code of conduct and sometimes when people it's exactly like what Chris says earlier so if you want to make a PR you don't know if you should wait for somebody to approve it's really around like the differences in the culture when I try to communicate something some people talk to me very directly and to you maybe you offend it and then you should there's certain way so people should be aware of the background of their contributor where they come from I think that this is a very interesting research I don't know like based on this research what can we do because at first you let people aware and then what can happen and what kind of action that they should take in order to limit misunderstanding and and to to build a more collaborative and open community so I think this is a goal yeah so I think that the the research on on different cultures and the effect on how people behave on certain communities would be interesting but what is more interesting is based on this what kind of guidelines or practice that we we should promote like some people feel worried these days I heard a lot of people from the communities I don't know if I should say something maybe some people would say that I violated the rule of communication and I might offend somebody so you never know so it's so people should at least learn to be aware of this thing and and and and make other people feel comfortable yeah so I think that yeah I think it's it's definitely I want to see we all intuitively know that there's cultural differences it's how do we take what you learn in your in the the ASFs and the research you're doing and and the experiences and the practices and and turn those into best practices and share them around the world so people can better create better and healthier engagement practices and I I too think that the code of contact stuff is incredibly important even today we were getting trolled online a little bit so we had you know some issues and you know and Chris who is our producer handled them nicely so but I also think that it's it's it's interesting and it's such a challenge it's such a challenge to do and and I'm really grateful that you're that you're sharing this information with us today and but I really do want to see how we can take what you learn and apply it in our practices I think that's the next step one is uncovering the data and I think we try we try and we fail and we learn and we keep moving you know forward the processes but I also think that we there's a lot more outreach especially to Asia and Latin cultures that in the Kubernetes world and the cloud native world that we could do better CNCF has done some great work standing up events in China and around around the world in different places but I still still think there's a lot lot more that we can do and that I can do and so giving giving the podium to you guys as often as possible is really I think one of the keys here and is and you know the time zone challenges are one thing but I think I can get up at night I don't mind you're staying up late and wherever you are but it seems I don't know what it is but everybody has got more light in their background than I do it's been great it's been pouring rain all day today in gray so it's like I might as well be still sleeping so but I'm just very grateful for the work that all of you have done at the asf at osi at fos asia in the inner source because it's it's it's interesting it's like this rubik's cube right so there's cultural stuff there's time zone stuff there's technology layers there's inner source pieces so whether this is you know a collaboration between a bunch of corporations trying to build a product to be sold enterprises or enterprises trying to apply open source practices to their internal processes there's so many aspects to community engagement and how you know you even see this with inner source I I see at least sometimes is that enterprises prohibit their employees from contributing or participating actively in open source projects so there's like all of these barriers to participation and I think in some way and I keep coming back to this and maybe it's because I've been drinking the kool-aid all day today is that the community development people people like yourselves and the other 24 folks who have been on today are really kind of the glue they're the conduit of these practices and sharing them with um with each other and making sure that when we find out the research from your survey and from we learn the lessons from the fos asia stories that we can carry those stories back and imply them wherever we are and whatever technology inch and and try and bridge those communities because I actually think even though it's the work that Daniel and I have done have been like to identify who are the people that connect in between projects that that's not enough it's the people who have the maybe not higher in better level but like an overview of all of these different things um that that will help us bridge some of these um cultural um and uh inclusivity issues and diversity issues um and create more podiums for people to stand up on and share their stories and that's my hope all of this and I know that all of the work that's going on in your communities and the foundations that you work on is part of that process so I can't thank you enough for participating and showing up today even with the time zone challenges um and sharing your stories so I Daniel I don't know if you want to add in a few words or Hong or if there's anything else you'd like to add and make sure that you points you've got across oh I would say I would say that thank you all all of the speakers all of the AMA panelist all everyone that has made this a successful day I learned a ton of things so yeah thank you all for for your time today