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That means they cost almost nothing and you get lifetime access for them Go check them out head over to maps fitness products.com and use the code September 5 0 September 50 by the way You also have to subscribe this channel and turn on your notifications to win anything so do those things All right, enjoy the show. We've been working out for a long time We've been training people forever. When's the last time you did an exercise? You've never really done before And then you and then you came out of an example cuz I'm pretty sure I've done everything I'm pretty sure he can't give you an example of something you haven't done. I bet I can Okay, well, I got one. I don't know. He's Sal He's one that you've done that you haven't done in a long time. Oh, Justin can answer that Well, no what I mean is like how that's pretty rare at this point, right? It's pretty rare to find an exercise that you never the last day I never did and then you do it and you're like right Exercise that I can room that I can recall and we actually I don't know if I mentioned that this was in that category No Believe it or not Everything for the calves No, we we brought this up on the show the other day about I don't remember what the question was But we talked about hand cleans. Oh hand cleansed to a press was something that I recently Introduced into my routine when I was competing but that was years ago Yeah, but that was I hadn't done that before that really and that and then became a staple was actually I was working out with Justin He got me to do them I saw the benefits from it felt the benefits from it right away and then it became like a staple so okay So today so you guys know who Vince Garanda was so I've heard you say the name a bunch So old-school bodybuilder probably I want to say one of the first Kind of science-based bodybuilders and a lot of stuff he did and said Still stands true today some of the stuff not so much but some of it was pretty remarkable So if you ever want to go back and read and research old bodybuilders and lifters He's very interesting right so anyway Before I came to work this morning. I was reading article about Vince Garanda and he used to promote a specific chest exercise I've heard of before Never done. Okay, and today. I tried it. It's called the guillotine press. Have you guys ever done this? No, okay Okay, so it's like a bench press Except you bring the bar to your collarbone or your neck So when you're benching your elbows are way out here and you're bringing the bar Way up here and then here's a cut off your head. Here's the second part of it. That's interesting You you let you take your feet off the bench something we and so here's what's weird about this disclaimer on all this right now Please god please no Just do this. I was just gonna say this is an exercise that you have to have good shoulder mobility and good stability To do and like we've said before No exercises are dangerous your lack of mobility or your lack of ability Give me why is he promoting his legs up off the bench? Okay, so and this is the interesting part, right? So first off bringing the barbell way up high where you're kind of almost at the neck Activates the upper chest on a flat bench tremendously. In fact, I after I read about this exercise I was doing more reading There was a study that was actually done and I believe Brett Contreras was part of this study where they looked at muscle activation and The guillotine press actually outperformed Incline outperformed every other chest exercise interesting because of the way it lines up the muscle fibers You do this on a flat bench a flat So you elbows have to be real high you have to really pack the shoulder very bodybuilder-esque type of a press Yes, we used to I don't I didn't know the name of it But we used to play around with that one really bringing the elbows. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't elevate the legs though Right. So now here's why you do the legs if your chest is high with that arch It that wants that position makes you naturally want to bring your elbows down If you have this real high arch and you bring your elbows up It almost puts too much stress on the shoulder. So when you bring your legs back with the elbows up high It's okay that you flatten out a little bit. It's still directly activates the chest I know it sounds weird interesting But I did it this morning and just to give people some reference because you got to go light on this and again You have to have good stability Good mobility. I mean if this feels weird, don't do it. Yeah, we're not recommending it to about 95% of you Because it's it's one of those exercise that puts a lot of things it makes it vulnerable, right? Yeah, so I did it and Normally if I work out with the flat bench, I'm gonna go out maybe go like 225, right? Yeah I only went up to 185 So that's how much lighter I was and I put my feet up on the bench and I flared my elbows out brought down my neck Oh my gosh, dude, this exercise felt Incredible I could see though how if your form is off a little bit though This is not gonna be good I thought of one just because you guys had both mentioned one and one Adam actually Circling back Yeah, yeah, so you're laying down on your back and with the cable machine and you're doing like Lateral raises. Oh, but but crossman like oh good call back and like come up great pump for your delts Yeah, that one Adam actually showed Doug that like yeah, that was you know who introduced that to me Ben Pekolski Yeah, Ben Pekolski introduced it to me when he came up I think one of the first times he came here and him and I got to work out at the Golds gym or back when it was golds and he got me to do that never seen anyone do that before locks you into position Oh, there's no movement love it Absolutely if I do if I find obviously in our studio for sure a hundred percent a little it's tougher, you know more popular Jim There's a lot of people some of that You don't know what's on but absolutely in here if I if I'm gonna do a cable lateral raise That's the only way I do it now. I just I feel like it locks you into position so well and you can't cheat it I'm telling you I was tripping off this guillotine press because what I've been trying to do I think it's show me that layer I think it's the you know now We've been doing this podcast for years and so it must be the years of just bullying you guys are doing with me over My chest development anyway Hey anyway He's got this huge, you know, we don't need to lie But anyway, no, I was just just thinking I've been changing my form and going lighter and trying to connect I think it's working, but dude. I swear to God this guillotine press is Interesting I'm gonna start doing it. I felt more activation doing that than I have doing incline presses, but again disclaimer It puts your your shoulders in a position that are precarious. So if you don't have and I got decent For something shoulder mobility, I can't compress really easily behind my neck I could do pull-ups behind my neck So and it doesn't bother me a lot of people though won't be able to do you don't think it's just because you never trained chest And now you're just doing I just got the Put the wife you're on I'm like everything that's showing I'll work out Everything that's covered why yeah, I'm gonna walk out about the relevant. Anyway to make myself feel better I'm gonna bring something up that I said I wasn't gonna do but now you guys just making fun of me So and then we got to give context to the people watching the show right now. Okay, so here's a deal Adam and Justin grew up athletes right very Listen they're great. They'd be played sports Justin College football Adam, you know video games every sport that existed You know, all I did was work out. I just lift their weights I did I did judo jiu-jitsu not a big deal had a purple belt. Just want to mention that Just want to throw the purple belt out there. Yeah, I just gotta do that. Um, no, but here's a deal There's only there's two times in our lives that we all competed at something that was semi Sportish, I don't want to say it was a sport. Definitely sport ish Well, that's let's caveat and here's the best part both caught on film So the first time we played horse and I beat them and yeah are still angry about that, right? That one actually made more anger. Yeah, we went to top golf and I have a terrible swing I've got bat whatever never played golf. I suck even if I practice. I probably still suck But I won again. It's just really weird. He took a driver A driver with a head this big harder to be accurate Just like he's putting right And it went right into the very first hole and he'd get like eight and ten points I videoed his swing so I must have got a hundred DMs about it, but I said We're not taking anything You figure out what the game really is about you know break it down your mind and then you're sick This is the least amount of effort I can put out there Hey, you know what this reminds me of there was one time dude. Oh my god, Adam I don't even know if you were there. I know you were there, but you went around us, dude I Got Justin so angry one time. He got so mad. We were at all the boxing bro punching the back I had to tell him I wasn't right. I was like, he's not gonna sleep tonight. If I don't tell him what happened We had to hit that bag about that see how hard you could punch and Justin just like wow, you know And I went over there. I look at the physics to the thing I'm like, oh if I punch at a down angle it's gonna swing so I was doing that I was fucking blowing out the numbers. I see he was so angry he stopped talking Yeah, and he couldn't he's like I'm not yeah, I couldn't tell he's not gonna sleep. I'm like, dude This is what I did dude, and he's like, oh So what sounds not telling us is he's really like a traveling gypsy. I just You nailed that with the when you called it. You say, you know what it is. He's just good at carnival games He was a carny worker in another life. I mean you must have been like the best boyfriend ever You're the one that's winning the big No big deal. I got you baby girl. I got you Like you just everything like, you know at the bare walk you're just Before we go to top golf You guys don't know if there's a whole week of research And then it went in the first one and I saw the points I'm like, well, I'll just keep doing that over and over again Well, is it like your other favorite thing to do like arm wrestling like that down to a science? Yeah, that requires some strength though It's also like majority of his technique. Yeah, that was a good time though I had a lot of fun speaking of punching right and all the end stuff I watch the Jake Paul fight is he won. Okay, so a couple things one I Actually enjoyed the card. It was a really good card. Yeah, really good card. They're taking it to new levels Yeah, well, I mean now he signed with showtime. So this is a obviously a big deal So it was done perfect remember that the last one I was like, oh, what a joke that I don't know I can't remember the name of circus. Yeah, whatever. I don't remember the name of that organization that that put it on I'm like Snoop Dogg one of the yeah, it was it was so hokey and just the fights were whack like Not good at all this totally different. I mean you had all your regular showtime announcers that were doing it very professional Barstool sports was there first time talking about live betting while it was going on So that was that was different But the whole card was pretty good and the actual fight between Woodley and Jake Paul was good Now it was good because it was because I know there's somebody who's really into boxing that's gonna shame me for this, right? Like that was not good boxing. Okay. It wasn't Two great boxers fighting. It was a good fight Like I mean, I want I wanted to see Woodley win right even though I didn't think he knocked him back in the fourth I read yeah, so I mean I said all the clips so you guys go watch it But the the first and second round it looked exactly kind of how I thought was gonna be as like Jake Paul came out looked like a boxer Was very technical by the way Jake Paul is light heavyweight and he and Woodley is a welterweight Yeah, so you got 20 pounds on him. So he's a big discrepancy. Yeah, and he's a actual boxer Even though he's not professional He's a boxer versus a combat sport fighter. Yeah, and so Woodley came out in his like MMA stance You know, you could like he looks like he's gonna shoot at any minute which knowing he can't do that So it did look alike. Oh man. This is he's not gonna be able to withstand him And I actually thought that Jake Paul strategy was jab jab just get him to later rounds And then he's gonna then he's gonna really pummel him But what ended up happening was as the later rounds went on Woodley actually started to gain confidence and started to get some shots in and Jake Paul started to get tired So I mean Jake Paul won the fight, but it was a split decision He saw you won because he connected more. That's it. Yeah Well, I'll tell you what wouldn't he landed a couple nice shots on him that rocked him a little bit So did he though? I mean, it was a good fight. It was a couple times I got all loud and excited like it was got me in I know I've talked a lot of shit about this whole situation But it's turning out that I'm eating my words. It's looking like Jake Paul and his team are Brilliant promoters. This is a very strategy is very smart Like this the strategy that they're going into it seems very clear to me that it's it's to go in to create To get a lot of buys and to figure out a situation where Jake has a very good chance The only buys that have beat this beat this fight out was Mayweather versus his brother Wow top pay-per-view buys It's so insane. I mean they're crushing numbers. Is he becoming the highest paid boxer now So I don't know the stats I know Mayweather and McGregor hold that have the record for like purses and in a year or whatever So I think they still hold that record right now, but I don't know I know they're making a lot of money So technically he's still an amateur boxer. He's not even a professional then right? Yeah, he hasn't done any You know, I don't know how this works. They say pro they say they're gonna fight Yeah, you I don't think you can fight professionally as a boxer without head But he hasn't fought a professional boxer. He's fought like other fighters Yeah, but they're all in YouTube guys. They're all considered pro fights. Yeah, so right, okay? I'm correct me if I'm wrong I'm not sure if this is correct, but I think you can't fight professionally in most sanctioned fighting events Without headgear in other words if it's not pro they have to require to wear headgear. Yeah. Yeah, so I think it is I don't know, you know, I don't know the rules But I do know that they kept referring to it as a pro fight So it's considered a pro fight because they said he's had one amateur fight and now three professional fights I don't know what it like. I'm just trying to wrap my brain Is this like is he creating a new like a whole league like cuz like you don't you have to I mean Title fights and all that he's not like eligible for those. No, I mean, he's not gonna go for I mean unless he keeps winning He said he won't fight okay One of the things that was very obvious to me after watching this fight because this is the first time He's been beyond two rounds and the Ben Askren thing was a fucking joke Ben Askren looked like he pounded 12 beers the day before showed up all soft He was never a boxer to be yeah, he was he's not even known for his hands at all click the check Yeah, and he got put to sleep. That was an embarrassment. It was let okay So he hasn't gone so Jake Paul gone beyond two pounds the other ones the two rounds The other one was a what a internet guy or whatever in the you know basketball player or whatever like so he hasn't really now Woodley is the first like legit fighter also has hands. He's not a boxer, but he can throw a lot smaller Yeah, yeah, he's a lot smaller and he and so what this showed me more than anything Else one it was I was impressed with Woodley's ability to get in there and stand and actually make this a fight and like give himself a Chance and it also highlighted because at the end of the fight. Yeah, Woodley wants another rematch and they might we'll see But you could tell Jake Paul doesn't want to rematch with them because it could have easily went the other way for Woodley And it showed that okay if a real Boxer somebody who is a considered a professional boxer who has legitimate and it could be a no name Not even a good bot will whoop the shit out of Jake. Yeah, so it's in his weight class, and he's a legit boxer We'll fuck him. Well, so here's the strategy. No question Let's predict the strategy because it's obvious to me that you can see what they're doing. Yeah He's going up a ladder. Yes. Yeah opponents, right? So now the next fight is gonna be someone you're gonna be like, oh, maybe he'll kick his ass And then if he wins that it's really like, you know You could say all the things you want to about him being dumb and whatever like that like now There's a promoter. This is brilliant. Yeah, what they've done it. He's he's he's picked these fights I mean that the first one was a you know, the I like the guy who's like a YouTube sensation So the views was I mean it was all no one they weren't real like and then he started working his way to fighters And it's interesting like you I would Lee will go down as like one of the greatest Walter waits to ever fight He's he'll be in the Hall of Fame for you know, what would be a great fight is if he is brothers No, no, he's not you know what would be a really good fight is if he got a great old boxer to come out of retirement So like you imagine like a hold Mike Tyson right now For example Well, let's see that's the thing because he's so much older. You're right though. I picked my they won't do that So that's where he's been smart. He's picking fights that he should win He should win. I mean like he was supplied. I would not have bet I wanted would lead to win and I thought he has everyone's got a fighter's chance, right? But Jake Paul is 20 pounds heavier is a is training for boxing consistently. I he should win. He's obviously a good athlete Yeah, oh, yeah, he's definitely an athlete Roy Jones Jr. Mike Tyson fight not too long ago. Yes. Yes That was like I didn't watch that one. I don't know. I don't know what happened with that fight But anyways, this was it was entertaining man. I was I was actually that's smart I was really impressed with it. You know, that's a big job of boxing managers and promoters is to Figure out who you can fight that they think that will that you'll be able to be and will it generate a lot of excitement And there's always, you know, there's always those boxers that are such They provide they present so many problems to other boxers that they won't get fights just because of that Yeah, especially if like you're a South Paw or whatever a lot of times promoters like no You're not gonna fight my guy because you might be it's and I don't know if you guys are seeing the you know The ripple effect from this with I mean you're it's happening like almost every weekend now We just don't know about other promotions that aren't as big and bit less That it's like all the Lamar Odom just fought that Supreme Patty guy who's a 2 million 4 million Instagram follower I mean, there's people that are fighting now that are not talk influencers fighting. That's what's going on It's it's it's a it's a lot of that right now and it's really interesting What so what the showtime guys were saying? Because I thought deep down like then these guys have got to be so fucking annoyed by this and not there I mean they have to do this is their job, right? They work for showtime showtime signs of contract with Jake Paul I think inside they're going like this is fucking bull is it a disrespect to the sport But that it's really not gonna take over the sport. It's not gonna replace great boxing It's another brand that's right. It's just gonna be another brand There's you know, there's hardcore There's a lot of people that didn't get the fight that will refuse to get the fight because they vote with their dollars And they don't want to put money towards some bullshit like this, but there's people like me who I'm not really I don't I'm not that passionate about boxing plus you're interested more and like that. What's this look like? What's the business? I am very interested in what they do with it He was you know, he came out with his LED thing. He had a LED belt with his name running across at the whole time Well, look, I tell you what if I was a fighter right now And I had a bit of a business sense because you got to have that a little bit too with what's going on And with the ease of using social media the way I would look at this is I'd say okay My success Is dependent on how good a boxer I am, but it's also largely on how Well, I can promote myself and get people to want to see me either beat someone or get my ass kicked and so The truth be told If you're a boxer or a fighter today Your opportunity for success is better because there's more now, right? There's more opportunities that are open to you to get yourself out there and make people either hate you or love you And they just because like jake paul's not if you're an outgoing person That's of course it may look like a bigger hurdle though now if you're the opposite If you're just a hard worker fighter and I would I would imagine there's a lot of guys in the sport of boxing that are more Of course introverts You know that's I would think there are a lot of them are introverts that have a lot of shit all bent up And that's what makes them fighters. And so gotta be really frustrating if that's not your thing is to be Plain boy. Yeah, dude speaking of social media. Okay. So, you know how social media can just be sometimes you look at it You're like, this is cancer. Let's get rid of this. Yeah, and then other times I look at it And I'm like, I thank god for social media. This is a okay. This is one of the best things ever seen So you guys know obviously we're not going to go into depth of this because it's bullshit But you saw you know what happened in afghanistan right taliban taken over anyway One of the leaders of the taliban is on I think it's twitter And he posts the picture and he's like, you know with his gun and he's like Do you like the suppressor on my m416 or whatever another guy Comments on it and he goes Respectfully, what do you say to those under your rule who may have ligma? And he actually responded this taliban leaders like explain this ligma for sure I will answer for you and he goes ligga my balls, bitch He puts a picture of what of a guy where like an American speedo with I was like, yes, dude. It's the greatest comeback. Yes. He got trolls on on social media. Fuck you, man That's my son's favorite, by the way. That's the patriot missile of comments right there. That's my son gets me on that Shit, yeah the time hey amazing. We need to talk about the study right now that is below Are you guys seeing everybody the one that I got dms about that you posted please? Yeah, I got so many people so many people ruffling you ruffle people's feathers by posting me to understand What science is coming out? Okay. So this was a huge study out of israel. So israel is one of the most vaccinated countries in the world And they've been 25 percent right they've been try I think so right they've been tracking and studying how people Get infected reinfected. What are your how much does the vaccine help? How much does Previous infection help and I got to make sure I pull up the right statistics here, but in this particular study They showed that natural immunity. So people who were infected with covet before Had far better protection against the delta variant than people who had uh gotten vaccinated By the way, by the way, this is always this is almost always how immunity works It's also how the body adapts to things too. I mean, I know nothing about this side, right? So I don't want to pretend like I know anything about immunology or what the fuck it's called Like I don't know anything about that and I'm not like speaking as an expert But what I do know about is about exercise and fitness and how the body adapts and a lot of the systems in the body Healthy resilient body and and anytime you do something artificially to try and and Replicate what the body could potentially do naturally It's it's always inferior. It's all naturally is always a better if you can't now that being said and like I had to defend Your post like in my dms all day that day Was Sal is not encouraging or discouraging anybody from doing anything. He's just he's all he's doing is posting I said I told I would I called my mom and my dad's you need to go get this vaccine Need to go do this. You know why because they're an advanced age. They're fat and they're low vitamin d Like absolutely. I would rather them take the risk with that even it being not passed by the fda I told them go get that please go get that because i'm more afraid of what kovid would do to them Yeah, I'm not I don't I'm not advocating They even said this in the study that people throw like kovid parties like when we were kids People know the pox parties. Yes. Yeah, dude So when I was a kid when we were kids chicken pox There was no vaccine for it and you got it and it was very rare that a kid died from it But it sucked you were sick for like a week and then you had lifetime immunity Parents used to actually do this. Did you did you go to one as a kid? No, but my cousin's got it and I remember my mom being like, well, okay, cool. Now my kids gonna get to you So you guys send to a party. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so some of my friends like in there What are they serve at a chicken pox party? I don't know, but we're all playing in a room and then, you know, we're just hanging out like and How weird is that if you're a parent, right? Like I was thinking about go roll around with you They're all like watching like drinking, you know, like As we're all playing and you know, oh past the Plain blocks over to your friend now We used to do this because chicken pox as an adult is really bad as a kid It's not so bad in comparison. So we would have kids hang out with each other. Oh, you got chicken pox Ironically, that's what we're finding out about kovat too, right? It's way worse for advanced age. It is worse for adults Yeah, so um, but so the studies showed I'll read to you guys some statistics that by the way in this particular study They did show like other studies that the vaccine was better than nothing. In other words, if you didn't get previous infection Uh, the vaccine did provide protection like other studies have shown But in comparison to previous lesson the symptoms, right? So lower chance of getting infected lower Chance of getting severe kovat like across the board Better than nothing, okay But in comparison to previously infected check this out The vaccinated individuals had 27 times higher risk Of symptomatic symptomatic kovat infection compared to those with natural immunity So in other words, uh, that's a big difference and they showed long lasting effects by the way that's a thing to talk about right there Because that's the other thing I keep I keep hearing from people I had to have this conversation with my buddy too Is this like well, that's stupid your natural antibodies are only good for six months I'm like, okay. I've heard people say three to four months. I'm like, no your vaccine too Like the vaccine wanes too not only that but there's something to be say about About the body having to go through that and then how it adapts to get the resiliency it builds from that Forget the fact that it makes you immune to something for three to six months or whatever that But the body going through that and what it how it evolves It's how we've evolved in time all over all these hundreds thousands of years Well studies are showing that there's probably in a lot of people. There's a long-term protective effect probably not forever So you'll probably wane over time just like the vaccines do like we're finding now But the reason why this is such a Incredible study First off. Yeah, don't go to a covet party. I personally know somebody who's my age who is fighting for their life right now So it is very interesting how some people React I had it very mild so to my family. I know the the rest of the guys in here had a very mild So it's nothing to play with there's you know, you don't want to roll the dice necessarily But here's where this really is a big deal This puts the nail in the coffin for these mandates that are being passed in other countries because Almost none of them. I think there's one country if i'm not mistaken, but the rest don't consider Whether or not you were previously infected. So it's like vaccine or not You have to be vaccinated or not and if you're not then we won't let you in our restaurants and stuff Or at least the government I should say makes these mandates. They don't count previously infected And there's a lot of people who have natural immunity in fact There's a hundred million or more people who've got infected who have natural immunity None of these passports even consider that and then there's lots of other reasons why you know Well, that was the big thing that I so I still have this thread I talk about with my my two best friends and we're all different politically and of course all this bullshit is charged everybody's So much and divided even some of that which is so frustrating to me to see how much Division there is amongst friends and family today than just two or three three decades ago But the the main thing that I was trying to tell my buddies is like i'm i'm not anti any of this I just don't want mandates and the government to force us to have to do this like if you I said if you go Do it. I'm totally supportive even though. I think you're young and healthy and I wouldn't if I'm in your situation Doesn't mean that I'm like against you going to do it go for you should I told my parents to do it But to give the government control and let them get involved in saying what we should or shouldn't be able to do That's what you got to be careful especially if you look at Okay, so just in california alone 40 of the population roughly would not Be able to get be able to get access to restaurants and shops and stuff like that because they're not vaccinated So you lock down businesses for a long ass time in california hammered small businesses Now we're going to cut 40 decimated small businesses now We're going to cut 40 and then of that 40 a majority of them are minorities So not only are we eliminating 40 of the customers We're also taking minorities and they're the ones that are getting affected the most Oh, you can't do you can't go eat in these restaurants or you can't go to these cafes So it's a it's a very interesting policy and then the fact that people who had previous You know infection have better immunity and here's another one Oftentimes a lot of these policies are passed or things that we do without data Did you guys see the study on plastic partitions? You know the when you go to the grocery store There's a plastic partition between. Oh, no, I heard you talking about that. Yeah Those are a waste so it's just it's just another thing that shows you're doing something right So it's like, oh, you know, I'm going to put up plastic partitions and some cities actually Like required them you have to have you know what they found in studies Increase probably worse because it probably sticks to the fucking glass. It's not just that Because it it reduces airflow Because of the airflow is now interrupted in this study they show So it's just lingers right there. Yes, of course And then there's also studies on mask mandates and they compared them to states without mask mandates And looking at the difference and then they're counting total deaths not just infections but Other deaths and whatever and lockdowns they compared lockdowns and they found That the lockdowns in particular Um, not only did not have a beneficial effect. They actually caused more other unintended deaths like suicide drug abuse People not getting services that they need all things. We don't consider when we pass these things So we have to be very very careful as all I'm saying well speaking of other drugs Doug I'm going to transition us out of this conversation before your head explodes Jane technologies keep an eye on this company. So I think they just went I think they went public now I know they just took on like another hundred million dollars They are like the Shop, they're the software Shopify for the weed industry So think of what Shopify has done for e-commerce Jane technologies is responsible for the software that's embedded in a lot of these dispensaries and the back end So keep an eye on that business Wow, right now now where they okay because it's not federally legal. That's not a national company, right? So it's only where at california or so. I don't know how that all works, right? Like I know I mean, what's the company that we we worked with for a briefly there that yeah ease I mean they they're all online and and I know they're Growing rapidly and I don't know what states they're in right now and How that like I know like gambling there's like gray areas like that too where you could order from or you could you can bet Online because technically even that even if that state doesn't allow you because they can say that the home base is somewhere else I know there's a lot of loopholes, right as soon as because no matter what it's going that way You know that oh, yeah as soon as because it's for sure happening as soon as they lift the federal You know schedule one classification for marijuana and allow it to be oh my god Yeah, blow up it's going and there's already businesses that are so primed and ready Uh, like there's businesses like a company like that. Imagine that's why I keep an eye on that and uh, I don't know Like I said, I don't know if they're still considered private. I know they took on some funding So keep an eye on this company Jane technology should be easy to remember Mary Jane, right? So Jane technologies if and when they do go public or you have opportunity to invest or get a part of I and they're leaders in that space I mean just imagine being able to get a hold of Shopify early on as in for e-commerce like what that's done So I just think that these those are and I love businesses like that like getting directly in it It's very competitive, right? You're gonna go out and try and make your own strain or be a farmer or start a dispensary right now I don't think that's smart business But if you can find some of these companies that are assisting that and it's I like that Yeah, like in those other e-commerce and like, you know what Shopify is for us, right? Shopify is software that so we can sell apparel and stuff online They are software specific because I'm sure Shopify doesn't do marijuana So if someone had to come up come with a come I see so they're they're they are the Shopify basically of the Medical marijuana feel okay. Wow I know I thought that was kind of an interesting one. All right So, um, I read something today that I thought was really interesting So you guys are familiar with like, you know records in Bench press squat deadlift, right the olympic records You guys do you guys know that there are competitions for what's called a strict curl? Have you guys seen these really? Okay, so and this is big this is actually becoming a thing So you have to I think you have to lean up against a board You have a weight it has to start a barbell. It has to start at your thighs and you can't come off The back of the board and you have to curl the weight all the way up Okay, so it's called a strict curl and you have to have this particular positioning in order to do it And so people are competing in it and seeing how much they can lift Someone I love it someone set the world record. It was a powerlifter leroy walker What's the guest on the way? Don't say it. Don't tell me what's the what do you guys think the the record is for a strict curl? Remember strict you can't rock you can't bounce your back is that easy bar or is it with a barbell? No, it's an easy bar. You're up against the wall and you can't Come off the wall at all. So you're gonna stack 45s on it. Yeah, let's say What what would that weigh? I'm gonna say 250. What do you think just I say 225 you hit around the net 250 pounds. Wow, it says it's a little more than what I can do. So I figured that was probably somebody out there a little bit stronger than me Yeah, I can do 245 somebody somebody could get five when I read it. I was like, wow one arm and I'm like, oh two I don't know two fifties there. I uh two fifty. I would a prize dug something for that one What for guessing? Yeah. Yeah. No, you don't want anything We'll give you a yeah, I don't know. We'll give you a bell What's the most you guys have ever curled? I know it's not really something you brag about but since we're on the topic Dude, I have no idea I definitely know you have no idea I know I've done 135 workouts before for sure. I've done the wheels. Um, I can't be honest with you I don't know if I've ever put more than the 45s on there. So I'd have to say 135 But I know I was doing that for more than one round a little bit, right? And if not against the wall I didn't do the I yeah, they I don't think they'd pass regularly But they're I I trained pretty strict. So they weren't now. Did you do on a straight bar? Yeah, oh see it hurts my wrists if I go too heavy on that. I have to use a curl bar If I go that heavy, I don't know what my most is ever that's an exercise. I never really pushed like that I've used some pretty heavy dumbbell. I've never done singles. So I don't know what my max would be I worked out with I've worked up to 135 before so I I don't know it feels like a bicep tear Like I don't know, you know, I mean I feel like if I went and tried this that wouldn't be Oh, yeah, I would never try it right now. I'm not in that kind of shit. Yeah, very interesting that they do competitions on this No, I the one I was curious at doing was when we had the kettlebell competition in here They had a new event that they had it was the bottoms up kettlebell press I thought that was really cool because they would keep going up in size to see like how far you could go like weight-wise With with it bottoms up and it was you'd see the guys like start shaking and like really trying to stabilize Was that was that event in there? Yeah. Oh, that wasn't that in the yeah, that was a very new event I thought that was really cool You know, it's cool about lifts when they start when you start to see people compete for strength is you start to see technique evolve And you start to see because the goal is not to activate the most muscle or whatever It's all about obviously moving the most weight and it's really cool to see When people break through and come up with a new technique for example, you guys know the high jump, right? In uh in the olympics not the one with the stick What's the one with the stick pull vault pull the one where they just run and jump? Oh, yeah, so they at first they they approached it forward, right? And then they turn their body backwards so they can like use physics. There was one guy Yeah, so originally you run and you jump with your legs over it So funny you're bringing this up because the guy who jumped forward is the guy who was the record holder before Bruce Jenner built them or beat him. I just watched that Oh, so the guy you mean the first guy to jump backwards over it Well, no, he wasn't the Jenner wasn't the first guy to jump backwards But the there's a guy who there was a russian guy who was like the decathlon champion And he actually did the and the high jump was one of his best events And he actually technically still beat Jenner in that event Jenner beat him in the hole That documentary series. Yes, dude. If you guys have not watched that's the newest It's now the third one right so you you brought up um the female boxer Yeah, christie martin then they did the the mouse and the palace one and then now they just did Bruce Jenner And I actually really enjoyed the Bruce Jenner story. I didn't know. Um, I didn't know his whole story I didn't I like I knew that he was a badass I didn't know that he he won like the decathlon gold medal bro. He was on the box of weedy. Oh, he was a big deal Yeah, so I mean, I know a little bit about that, right? I didn't know exactly I didn't know if it was for a specific event I didn't know like honestly, I didn't even know all the events of the decathlon What it what it encompasses like back then or I maybe even steal today? I don't know It's that's like consider that they say that the fittest athlete in the world Yeah, so if you win the decathlon because it requires well rounded. Yeah, such. Yeah, you have to have endurance You have to have speed you have to have vertical. Yeah strength I mean it has kind of everything and so that was a big deal for him His training leading up from that. I also didn't know that he actually tried to transition back in like 99 I didn't know that either did I I thought when he you know, they came out and he won The the woman of the year award or whatever like that. Yeah, I thought it would I know, right? I we I think I everybody kind of chuckled or scoffed about how kind of ridiculous that is But I will say that I had no idea how long he was kind of suffering with this like Living is this life that he didn't feel aligned with. Yeah, apparently he told his wife Way before they 99 They knew he was he was already starting the surgeries and transitions back in 99 So he did like hormones and even before that he was already expressing it to his wife and stuff So they've known for a really we only found out in the 2000 something, right? But to think that he had been going through that I'll tell you something right now Caitlyn if you see her in her political ads because right now in california This is she had like recall thing one actually great, which uh, which I hope happens because gavin's evil Anyway, yes, 100 but Caitlyn is a really good politician if you see her commercials She's like smart with what she hits and how she positions it coming in with the heat I was like, oh my gosh. This is going to be very very interesting. Yeah, you know, Larry elder came in Well back back when Caitlyn was bruised man. I dude that dude was a freaking. Oh, yeah a phenom He was such an athlete and what's kind of interesting is the driving force behind that was not Being who he really want to be and just that that was a way for him to escape So he never took a day off This dude trained like every single and they had all kinds of people come on that like Confirmed like his training and talked about he buried himself so much into training for the sport That he didn't kind of have to live in the outside world. It was like an escape Yeah, really really good really well that I tell you what netflix is you convinced me Yeah, you should watch all three of them all because even though it's not maybe a mouse in the palace Stuff that you guys heard. Oh, did you know watching it? It was good, right? It was good. It was good to hear It's like and if you like those I told you a long time ago on the podcast They said I wanted you and I know you've never done it But espn has what they have they call their 30 for 30 series and it's cut It's very it's definitely what's competitive with that It's they they take these stories that a lot of people may not know everything about sports always has really good clips to pull from You know, so they they put it together. Yeah, they had all they had all kinds of like Home footage of him back in like the 80s and stuff like that. Yeah, it was really good. All right. Well, um, here's something that sucks So we No, this this sucks because this was a company that uh, we had invested in Oh, I know you talk about and then I invested in on my own and in us as a company, right? Took our our our winnings or whatever we sold it when we made 35 or 39 off Yeah, I left mine in there because I'm like, I think this peloton Under investigation. I'm glad we slashing their prices. They're under. You know, they're under investigation. Yes by the government What happened? Is it something about the treadmill? People falling on the treadmills And then like the government subpoena like all the data the data that they have supposedly collected on people Yes, what yeah, because people were falling off treadmills And I don't know how many where people were falling off and what the deal was And I don't know what politician was angry with peloton. This is what you got to pay attention to Yeah, yeah Sometimes You know because companies can partner with government and they can give each other favors and sometimes they can piss each other off And when they do it's literally they can subpoena you you can come out of it being okay But the simple fact that you got subpoena. Where's where's the stock at now? I kept I've kept a few shares But we I mean we definitely I'll I'll check right now because I'm sure it tanked Uh, I mean, I haven't seen it lower than 70 something. So it's not okay. It's a hundred. Oh But at its peak was at at its well, yeah, we sold it like 140 or 160. Yeah, I was up at 160 I think I bought it like 120. So now I'm in the red Which kind of sucks. I know I know but what are you gonna do? Wow? That's really Wow, that's really interesting. Yeah, so people were falling off But I have family members of stuff that own their their products and they do too. Yeah I mean it was super popular Again, wasn't that like the number one Christmas present or whatever? Yes, no, I know here's the thing that's the reason I was asking where the price is because if it drops below 70 I still would buy Because all this bad pub, they're gonna lose money the next quarter leaves might be a good opportunity They're gonna look awful. So that's gonna dip the stock But I mean all the people I know that own them and we guys know we're not big cardio guys So I'm not like a fan like that But all the people I know that have them and I know a lot of people that love them Absolutely love them. I think the technology is brilliant. I think the community they built the colt the following they have I just think right now they're gonna get a ton of bad pub They're probably gonna lose some money right now and that's gonna drive the price down So I think it'd be a good buy. So I'd keep an eye on it still if it drops below the 70 mark I would jump back on it. Speaking of a good buy. They need assault bikes now to do it instead. I doubt it I doubt the average person Yeah, there'd be much you have to be like a cardio lover to like bro They'll subpoena them for people throwing up is what they'll do Are people throwing up using your assault bike that is really interesting though how they can go after them for something like that I I swear to god it feels like they're unless they totally lying I don't know, but it feels like they pissed off the wrong politician Who now is like, all right, we're gonna subpoena. Do you know any of the political views behind pal time? No, nothing. I don't I'm making pure, you know, this is now I want to research that when I do my lizard people Speaking of buying stuff so The past few episodes I've been drinking out of my my you know fitness and freedom your you know flask or whatever Tons and tons of people had no idea that we even have these. Yeah, and they're going crazy So if you want to get one you can go to the mind pump store and that's what it says on it Fitness and freedom. Yeah, and if you don't want that because you're you're not like a you're not a cool person Yeah, you're not into the american flag or anything you could always go to mirror and do all kinds of stuff yourself So you can get them through us where you can go do your own you put stickers all over yours. Where is it? Yeah, where's your yeah, what are your stickers show there? Oh, yeah, there you go. Stay all the mind pump sticks. Did you guys put stickers on your binders when you were kid? Remember binders, of course. Yeah amidst all my like drawings Your penis drawings and yeah mario brothers guys I don't know why it's just what I did you drew the helicopter. Yeah, dude clouds You know, you know tanks with with dongs I don't know because it's just funny You know it was funny and people were always like appalled And that made me laugh So do you remember did you guys remember trapper keepers? Yeah, yeah, you are those. Oh, yeah The kids even use binders anymore. I don't know. Well, I mean they have like those the spiral Like so my kids have those for class and so they still journal just like the mead ones Is that the brand? Is that still the brand? Is that? Yeah, okay. What were the ones called? Uh, what were the folders? It was like a generic folder yellow And it had pictures of like the sports. Yes. Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about. What were those called? Peaches, peach. What were they? I think they're peachy something peachy or something like that Carpica peachy or something why and why did all the schools have that where they Was it something that like our testing came in or something like that because I remember you used to get those Yeah, I I think that I don't think I know exactly about they're like this kind of off yellow color and then there's lines like there's like like Silhouettes of like people playing sports and stuff and either like kind of a red or orange kind of color Yeah, Doug. You got to find the name. You got it. Doug. You got it. Let's see it going crazy. Yes. Yes. Oh I nailed that called a peachy. It really peachy. Yes. So it's a vint. That's a vintage. I had that exact one I think everybody everybody had the same one. I think everybody did and didn't it wasn't it something I didn't buy I don't remember buying. I remember I received it from school So didn't probably I think we got I think you go buy him at the store. Oh, yeah, I'm sure you could But I don't you guys I feel like I don't do you remember? I mean, I would you ever buy that? I didn't buy that. But did you guys take brown paper bags and wrap your books with them? Yes. Oh, yeah So you could draw on it. Yes, you draw on it. So that was probably so when you brought up the Stickers and things like that and that was that was trapper keeper era for me Which is like fifth grade sixth grade When I when we had to get to high school and you had to make your own book covers You would do the brown paper bags inside out and then you would draw and write shit Okay, so so check this out, right? So I have these conversations now my son 16 My daughter's about to turn 12 and so now I get to tell him like oh, yeah when I was in it's weird explain It's weird explaining it to them because they don't get it So here's something so obviously there's fads with clothes and sometimes in fashion and sometimes A fad becomes really popular for a short period of time and then it disappears And you know what I remembered that I told my kids and they looked at me like My generation was the dumbest generation of all time Do you guys remember when for a short period of time it was cool to wear Shit backwards Oh, you mean crisscross crisscross. Yeah, what the hell were we thinking stupid that was so done Exactly but everybody did you wear your you wear overalls everybody wore overall So I don't okay, see if you can remember like so I think what made them so unique is they were like one of the youngest like rap groups to ever explode So yeah, I think all the kids like got drawn to it really and they were everything back like 10 years old or something They were really young look up with crisscross out when they for how old they were they jump when they first started but A lot of jumping songs back then by the way. It was all about jumping. Yeah, but I mean But they wore everything backwards and I literally remember I think it was junior high Kids would show up to school wearing a polo backwards wearing overalls backwards and this was a style I told my kids this it looked like I was crazy. It didn't really hit my school that now I grew up in like a hick town So it wasn't so it's hard to wear boots backward Yeah, and so it wasn't it was I saw I remember going places and seeing people wearing clothes backwards So I totally remember honkies. Yeah, honkies. That was always my favorite like cut low for white people That's the worst What's it from what's the origin Jefferson's? Well, I don't know if there's an origin. I have no idea. I just always love that It's gotta mean something though. What's honky mean? I have no it probably has a terrible Of course it does. I'm curious though. Like honky tonk. Is that a thing? Like, you know, you're the country guy I know I feel like I should know this, but I don't yeah Well, I you know when I grew up in country. I was teased for my my mexican background So when I was in like honkyville, I was being teased for being mexican. It was when I got to the bay area I got teased for being white. So it just depends on where the fuck I was at Depends on who I'm getting but I got bullied by both sides. Yeah yeah Well, we had crisscross people at my school and uh I had my one of my good friends was was all about it and I was like waiting I was like I was like the house of pain guy once they came out because like You know, dude, when you're trying to kind of like identify with something I was like, oh, they're irish Like yeah, cool angry irish dudes rapping. I want to see um, yeah, I want to see chums come back I want to bring you. Yeah, they're just they're they're useful chums You don't remember chums. No, you remember chums. Tell me you remember chums. I do yeah So chums are the they were they were those uh for your glasses for your sunglasses. Oh god, I do remember that Yeah Yes, they're just so functional, you know, don't you hate I hate right now where like so I had my glasses on I went in the grocery store and like you've nowhere to put it It looks stupid when you wear it around your shirts. You stretch them out. You put them on your head Yeah, so they're just it's like one of those things that Chums haven't come back. I'm surprised too. They still exist and every once in a while you see like a dad you'll see him in in um Michael Jackson video, I think it was like bad. Yeah, they're still I mean there's there's glasses on he's got those Yes, oh that looked dorky. No, they're not that bad They even had the the tie in the back so you could like Sinch it up. You could cinch it tight. So in case you're doing some something really active You know what I'm saying? So they wouldn't fall off. We'll get that back with the zubaz pants did because you know It's hammer or your bag. I had like bone fish on mine. Oh my god This is a terrible transition But I wanted to talk to you guys about it because I saw someone DM me and I know I'll forget about if I don't bring it up Um, you know, we talk about how fucked up california is right? So in riverside, there is this this husband and wife that bought a house 14 months ago. So whatever do the math on when exactly that is so 14 months ago They bought a house and they still have not been able to move into their house And they've been paying the mortgage for it for 14 months Is that why because the previous owner took advantage of the the moratorium and the covid laws and it was refused Basically bunkered down and said I ain't going nowhere and they're paying the mortgage and they have to pay the mortgage because That has to do with the banks and them having to pay the new loan that they had to buy this house And then the laws protect him for squatting reasons and that he can't be evicted and kicked out So let's let's all come up with a strategy right now. Let's imagine that's us Imagine you buy one of you guys, you know, I'm getting oh, I'm I'm moving in is what I'm doing. Yeah, exactly Oh, yeah, I'm showing up with you and I'm like I'm living here too, dude I'm gonna make your life a living hell and I'm gonna walk around naked and I'm gonna fart What an awful experience though. Come on Because then it is it's just like a who's who's willing to put up with more shit You know a weird that or I would go on craigslist and be like $5 a month rent you can live in this house and I'd have a batch of what I would do is that so I would I wouldn't I would never put myself Or my family through something that risky torturous or what about that? So it's funny to say that but you wouldn't do that I know who was the because you would not bring your kids your wife Yeah, so it was some weirdo that's willing to do that But what I would do is I would go broke paying other people to make his fucking life I would pay people to go in that house and be there whenever they want to be there this reminds me if there was this like corporate these people got busted because um I forget like which corporation it was but they were sending like like A group of swingers to this person's house I would say like the the time that everybody was supposed to meet all I heard and then they they would come like Like they were supposed to have this big sex party. It was a prank that someone's older Yeah, it was a prank, but it was like they kept doing these things to the to basically You know like berate this These people that are opposed to something that this corporation was doing I've read that where he's like yeah, I don't remember what it was. Yeah jokes on you come on in It's like you order like pizza to trick your friend. They're like cool. Thanks. Yeah, pizza. I hey, I like anchovies. I don't care Do you know what I I read also? I can't remember if I read it in the hustle or my morning brew or whatever But uh reading about joe rogan and the whole you know, uh spotify acquisition with him and everything I thought What's your guys's theories on like how that's working out? You have any you guys have any theories on how that's I think they bring it up in the article that basically the numbers of what he lost versus Oh, did you read it? I just like a little bit briefly. I bet he's got a smaller audience. That's what I yeah So it's actually so the now, of course, there's lots of speculation here one We don't know the exact number. There's rumors that somewhere between a hundred and under 200 million So the there I've heard uh brennan shop confirm confirm that it's more than a hundred I've heard people say it's high as 200 the how much they paid them. Yeah, how much did he make right? So I think the the buyout was somewhere between a hundred So let's just say 150 million dollars is probably what somewhere in that that vicinity that he got paid To give exclusive rights But I mean he I guess he is completely lost his rights to really market and advertise to his audience almost Every way that's part of what I think they they got by getting Getting him over so the audience supposedly has shrank the and they use like YouTube downloads they use like his consistent growth huge for his audience for sure and it completely is It's all it's slowed down Dramatically and now there's also you could speculate that joe has also came out and has been talking a lot more Open about his feelings on covid and all this so that so, you know It could be more that that maybe maybe hurting him right now. I'm sure it has to do with less accessibility You don't have access whereas before it was very accessible That's what and that's the conclusion that they're coming up with that that and not only that But they think that what he gave up for that and when you think about it I mean you think about what are you know our little humble business that we built over here And we're nowhere near the size of joe rogan You know a hundred million dollars if you've built a really successful business and imagine his size imagine if He had the the infrastructure that we've built here with our tiny business with that like a hundred million I know you guys wouldn't take a hundred million dollars. Yeah, there's no way unless you're like ready to Unless you want to cash out and be done. Yeah, like whatever But he's not cashing out. He's got to work which I don't know what the contract Do you guys remember it was it was it like a five or a 10 year? Yeah, I was gonna see how long was the contract Yeah, I think it locked him up for a while So he ain't retiring or going anywhere for a while. So I don't know. I don't know Interesting did spotify is this was this a good or bad investment for them spotify came out. Yeah, because it's growing there Because joe had so much pool that some people Said i'm gonna download spotify now and start paying for spotify just so I get access to rogan So he's it was a steal for them. So a hundred million dollars for somebody who has that much influence and power That's kind of what the article was saying was like he undersold himself for sure. So regardless if he you know, it's been You know, it was a it was a big cash out. So that's great But the potential Of money that that guy can make but it's kind of smart though because like imagine how many of his YouTube podcasts would have been flagged and pulled, you know, he was going through that a bunch. It's true, you know Well, I'm sure that I'm sure that I'm sure that had a lot to do with why he made the deal Right. He was probably getting tired of all that bullshit and censoring and then risking it, you know We're getting pulled and so I'm sure that might have helped Persuade him to do it, but I just thought it was interesting that is it's you know Stuff came out that he is odd inch and makes sense to your point sal that yes Restrict people that could see it. Hey real quick before we transition to the questions You know how I mentioned get this on our store dug Just put up on the screen here that there's gonna be a huge labor day sale So all the stuff on our store. Oh nice is gonna be on sale Over the labor day weekend. So that's coming up. I forgot it's coming up We got a lot of stuff in there dude. All of our trx bands. Actually, we you know, she's called suspension bands actual brand Did you see that so yesterday was my first workout? I haven't oh, yeah, so you are you back? Yeah, well, it was my official first like full workout and I wasn't sure how it was going actually went really good So I felt your energy looks a lot better. I felt you look healthier. I felt great. Plus. We all got haircuts Thank you. Oh, thank god vicki came back. You were starting to look a little taliban ish He's getting pretty bad. He was in a cave never again. Can she have two weeks off? I can't happen again Bunkered out, but no, you know, I was I was talking to my Instagram audience that um and I and I shared on that story because You know, we really don't promote the suspension training program that much I mean, we did at the very beginning of of kovat because obviously it was Someone that couldn't get equipment. I think it was a good alternative But you know, this is this is an example of where I really like something like this I think it has tremendous value by itself I think it's amazing if you're traveling and on the go and it's just all you need You could do it from a tree if you wanted to But I also think that this is a great time for someone like me who's Consistently lifting barbell dumbbell exercises and then also I have this three four weeks where I completely don't do anything It's a great way for me to reintroduce exercise back. I mean, I I'm literally sore everywhere Stabilizes the whole body. Yeah, it's you're prepared and it feels like that too. Like if for my I'm doing like push-ups on it I could just feel everything shaking it really forces the issue. Oh that c&s just waking up and firing and So I'm gonna I'm gonna run through our suspension training program with a little bit of a modification I'm gonna do some things a little bit different, but I'm gonna follow it pretty closely So people will be able to watch the show and see the transformation Yeah, so I'm gonna start doing it, but again It's a I think a great place when you haven't been training consistently to kind of Restart you back in before doing heavy barbell lifts Real quick. I hope you're enjoying this episode. Go check out one of our partners Oli pop now they make these really tasty sodas that remind me a lot of the drinks that I had when I was a kid For example, the one I'm holding my hand is strawberry valilla. It tastes really good. But here's a trippy part No sugar or very little sugar. 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Justin always hide those bad boys So here's the here's the issue with some muscles you can Target and shape because they're large and because they have attachments that are a little further away from each other for example Theoretically you could work more of the upper chest and the lower chest just because of the attachments here on the sternum The biceps it does have two heads to it. So there's two main segments of the bicep But they attach it kind of the same Place so thicker more peak really you're just developing the bicep now that being said Yeah, but what about like um The brachialis. Yes the brachialis which runs underneath and then that's on like the side of the bicep I was just gonna say develop that it'll give you that illusion. Yeah, because theoretically you could train the brachialis which is also a flexor That Could theoretically give you a little bit more bicep thickness now. Here's what I like to tell people I like to tell people try doing hammer curls. It works that muscle Also, a lot of people don't do hammer curls. Yeah other bicep work on hammer curls reverse curls If you don't have those in your routine would be a great exercise or even zopman curls throwing those in there Yeah, so those three movements. I would do that but this idea of changing the shape of a muscle with exercises is Something that people that love clickbait and to sell you things will will try and do and the truth is If you already do reverse curls and hammer curls all the time and you're very consistent with doing that Then actually picking an exercise that technically Isn't for that that's for the bicep that you never do will probably show more thickness in your bicep So if you're really into arm training and bicep training in particular Here's the things to focus on right? So You can focus on curls with varying hand position because the hand and you can see here how it's moving my bicep affects The bicep so supinated versus pronated that also will involve, you know, break your radialis Which is here on the forearm break your alice, which is under the bicep and then here's the other thing You can focus on elbow placement when you're doing the exercise. So exercise with the arm next to your body Preach your curls or spider curls where the elbows in front of the body and you can even do exercise in chin ups Well, that's a mass builder, right curl grip, right? Chin ups. I don't know what we're talking about. Yeah, well really You guys keep talking about thickness and whatever Well, no, I'm just saying supinated grip right more bicep Activation here's the thing with all like because you can make a case for all these different exercises And the thing that I'm just going to keep hammering home is that it's the the exercise that you don't do when you want to develop a muscle more, right? Yes, that we've talked about there. There's a hierarchy in in in exercises, right? As far as like these are more these are superior to others But if you do all those superior exercises, you've checked all the boxes for a long time Then simply doing an exercise that your body is unfamiliar with they're not good at Yeah, and you're not good at and and get good at that exercise is going to show change and development in that area And that goes for any muscle and so more importantly than you know, trying to make the case for this exercise targets this part It's like, okay, if you train these movements try training a different movement for that and that's always been my experience Is I'll do this new exercise. Oh, wow drag curls. Let me try that. Oh my god. It totally works And then you just talked about it today with your chest. Yes a perfect example of that Yeah, I bet if I just did that and I went to an inclined dumbbell press to be like, oh my god, that's the same thing Next question is from mason burnt. What are the pros and cons of mass gainer protein? Oh, that's a stinky guy in the room now. Yeah, you do it. You know, it's they're not as popular They're not as popular as they used to be. That's why don't you think? Oh, bro You would light up the room if you had a lot of these So these are the ones that come in these huge canisters like this big and like you take what 900 at least This was a huge market in the 90s. Not so much now, but in the 90s, this was one of the big money makers and You know, they're like, uh, I think twin lab gainers fuel was one of the ones that was starting to be popular Cytogainer or something like that. Cytogainer heavyweight gainer 900 that one still exists and mega mass came out And what they would do is they the number kept going up I remember it was like the mass gainer wars So it'd be like 500 calories a shake and then they're like 900 calories a shake It got to the point where there were shakes that were 4 000 calories. How did they make that happen? They will they pack them full of of carbohydrates or you get like a bucket for a fucking and that was the other I remember the first time I bought mass gainer 4 000 was a it literally looked like a paint bucket And I I'm like, oh my god, they fit 4 000 calories in a serving and then I opened the lid and there was a scoop in there I'm not exaggerating was that big And you put it was like it was like six servings in this huge bucket and I sand chival Dude, I'd put it in the blender turn it on and it was like my mom's like old school high powered blender was almost gonna break And no wonder and then you have to add whole milk to the whole thing. So all right pros and cons pros convenient Cheap way to get lots of calories cons It's not the best. Yeah, it's not the best calories. It's a lot of multiple dextrin and cheap protein typically And food is better Other pro it's sometimes easier to drink calories when you're trying to force feed I guess yourself if you're a hard gainer, I could see the value here I think though you're probably better off buying a high quality protein shake and then adding Stuff to adding food oats fruit and berries peanut butter eggs like So my major con with these because I went on a kick for a while with this stuff is uh, when would you drink? By the way before bed or I mean I everything I've set the alarm in the middle of the night I drink before workouts after workouts start my day eat a meal then do it I mean you name it. I have tried eating a mask gainer at different times of the day for whatever reasons, right? Or trying to maximize the absorption of it right right after your workout The thing that I I noticed when I was doing it consistently is I've never been able to compare How my body responds when I get most if not all of my calories from from real food And totally being a hard gainer When I would start Calculating the shake up and I'm like oh well 1100 of my calories are coming from this Then I only got to go get 2000 more calories in whole foods I just never felt like I got the same results as if I ate 35 or 4000 calories of whole foods And so I got away from doing the mask gainers completely I even said I don't want to take a shake unless I have to unless I'm missing my protein and it's late And so now like when I do shakes it's always in the evening time And it's only because I wasn't able to get enough protein intake From my my whole foods in here then when I do it if I'm on a gain I use oats. I use fruit. I use peanut butter I use eggs and I add it to that and make my own Gainer shake and I just feel like getting those whole foods blended up with this You know three four hundred calorie regular protein shake gave me more benefits than these You know dextrose loaded full of fiber 900 calorie plus shakes that just literally made me shit 30 minutes later Oh, dude, the stomach's just talking the entire day. I remember that like with these shakes It just would not resonate And and it was very loud like you could hear me like class and just be raw You have to run the bathroom. This is when this is that story I told you guys a long time ago when I was 15 and I'm in the pool And I'm like, oh the heavy weight gainer 900 hit me all of a sudden and I ran out of the pool and Getting the bathroom and because my drawstring was wet. I couldn't undo it and basically shit myself That's a true story. Yeah, and that's when I kind of swore off. I'm like this is not this Why it's not going to make me gain mass versus reward. Yeah, it's not really working Here's something if you're a young kid, you're looking for the convenience You're looking to save money And it's hard for you to eat all the calories that you need to get your in order to to gain mass or whatever Just do this get a high quality protein shake You can buy a whey protein now very inexpensive if you can't you know You can organify makes good protein. We work with them Take that add whole milk. Okay, and you want to add more calories throw some peanut butter Tastes great and you've got extra protein a little bit of carbs from the high calorie dry oats dry oats If you want to add even more I used to throw a half a cup to a cup of dry oats split it up in there and it actually tastes good Yeah, no, I loved it Next question is from foveal of the castle Should I train behind the neck pull downs or overhead presses to achieve better mobility or is it just too dangerous? So this is one of those exercises that I was taught for the horse I was actually taught as a trainer never Teach so when I first got my first certification They said never do overhead presses behind the neck never do pull downs behind the neck Totally bad for the shoulders. In fact, I literally I remember the instructor doing this the instructor stood up Got a towel so he had a regular towel and he twisted it And then he bent it and he's like this is what you're doing to the Muscles of the shoulder when you go behind the neck and so I was like, oh my gosh. I'm so afraid of these Later on because all the bodybuilders did these exercises and I thought to myself You know, it can't be that bad. Let me try it out I first tried it out and I didn't necessarily have the mobility so I would shorten the range of motion and go real light Eventually I could do them full range of motion and then eventually I could add load And it made my shoulder mobility better now Is this the best way to achieve better shoulder mobility? No, but I will say this If you can't do an exercise What you should probably do is figure out how to be able to do that exercise with good stability and good mobility because You're just improving your body's ability to move Your and your shoulders should be able to do things with exercises behind the neck All and now the only reason why it's dangerous is a lot of people can't do it So they have to get themselves to be able to do it Yeah, I I'm going to say that 99 of you should do the mobility work first and get that done And then go to movements like this and the reason although I will say I did what you did so I actually was while I was also working on shoulder mobility I was also doing behind the neck presses when I didn't really have the full modus and I started with just the bar now Here's the thing you got it if you do that case because that's totally fine You could do that you could start super lightweight and just get used to Is you have to understand how the body compensates in order for you to do that Yeah, so one of the things and what I mean by that So when I I went from somebody who always shoulder pressed the front Okay, now I'm going to start these behind the neck Well, what I noticed when I do this my low back arches and I slide you're probably pushing your head And then you push the head forward and so I would have to get in that position And then I would have to tighten my core Rotate my pelvis keep that in that position and then really slow and control You just do with the broomstick to start Yeah, so you have you have to know how the body is going to cheat When you go to do that if you if you don't have the right prerequisites first So imperative like you pass the wall test you pass these things that we've sort of outlined In terms of like points of contact if you can't maintain it like it's sort of like There has to be a pre qualifier in there to be able to do because it is And I understand why certifications did sort of like put that out there like they didn't want trainers Basically jumping their clients into these because they do put you at a little bit more risk But there's a lot of value in them once you have the mobility in the strength to be able to pull it off It really does stimulate the muscles in different ways Well, that's why this is so important because imagine I don't know that But I I start working on that behind the head with a bar and then I had 25s and then 45s Meanwhile the whole time I've got this massive arch in my back and pushing my head forward in order for me to do it Yeah, less than ideal movement and your risk of injury now goes up way up So to me like I wouldn't recommend somebody do it's like how we talk about the barefoot training thing, right? Like if you never barefoot train like you shouldn't all of a sudden go run your your mile run every day barefoot Like for the first time I start with just walking outside barefoot for a while And and start building that up before you start well That's why I liked to like z-press was it was a great one in terms of like really figuring out whether you have the Thoracic stabilization, you know to be able to keep everything all those You know keep the bracing mechanisms in place so it protects your spine Yeah, this person should get maps performance So if you don't have maps performance like because we do the z-press in there We address mobility stuff in there So this is a perfect program for somebody who wants to get to a place where they can do these movements And to progress them the right way there instead of just jumping to it and risking injury Next question is from hoop golf 89 if you had to quit drinking or weed forever, which would it be? Oh my god, that's easy easy drinking. Well, they don't even drink see you later. Yeah. Well, no, I mean since the biotics Uh, I now will incorporate some alcohol because it does prevent the the shitty feeling the next day That which is why I never drank so I would always feel garbage the day after But look if you look at the data The data now is very clear Both have their own risks But if you had to compare them and you're a health and fitness fanatic, of course Both can be abused both can cause problems So I'm not saying, you know one is perfect and one isn't and anything can be abused also But if you had to compare them both with moderate usage and you wanted to look at Effects on body composition increased heart rate, you know increased heart disease risk increased cancer risk, you know All the all the stuff alcohol clearly is worse for your body clearly even a little bit of alcohol Isn't good for your body cannabis on the other hand marijuana First off if you smoke marijuana, that's the worst way to consume it because there's the most negative effects from it That being said they have yet to connect Smoking marijuana to lung cancer probably because of the anti-cancer effects of the actual cannabinoids In cannabis the best way to consume it is to eat it right so edible form So you eliminate that part now. What do the studies show with cannabis? Can it have a negative effect on the brain? Yes, it can cause Loss of motivation some issues with serotonin dopamine But does it cause the negative effects on the body like alcohol? No, not even Close alcohol is way worse For your body than than cannabis. I had to pick one it would be that but they did They have shown in studies like in terms of developmental minds. There's issues in terms of oh, yeah I'm talking about we can't be talking about under minors right now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's where my you know Just caution goes out. But like yes And I've become more of a fan of cannabis because of uh, the cannabinoid cannabidiols and you guys and uh, just It's kind of an interesting thing Like it's not it's not like when you're first exposed when it was illegal and like your friend would You know show you some and you'd get like way too paranoid and how it was like a bad experience Basically like going straight to like whiskey and you're drinking like nothing but shots instead of like starting with beer So there's a different way to consume it, you know If you're more educated around it and you can get high strains of CBD And you don't have to go like completely off the deep end Uh right away, but yeah, it's it's to me. I've slowly become more of a fan of it But I'm still I mean occasional, you know whiskey and and it gives your answer I'm gonna go with um I'm gonna go with alcohol because it's just in my blood. So you keep it. You keep it. I'm keeping it So if you had to get one forever So you just brought up something though that is kind of an interesting thought that I hadn't I haven't thought about yet Because my son's so young But I was while you were talking it made me go Oh, you know what I wonder if I was posed that question. What would I say? So If I had a choice though, so for me I said no brainer, right? But actually if my high school son came to me and said dad, I'm going to smoke weed or I'm going to drink alcohol I would actually rather him drink alcohol. Okay. Well, hold on context matters. Are they are they both Would they both be non abusive in other words? Yeah, of course I would never let my son or encourage any and I would have the right conversation I'm just saying if I if I had the if this was the rule like they went out with their buddies every once in a while Smoke a joint versus yeah versus drink. I'd want to drink. No way even if you look not for me Even if you look by the way by the way son, if you're watching this do neither But uh, I'm not saying do you want to watch us? Yeah, no, he doesn't but at some point Maybe somebody will send him this video and if I find out steady becomes a porn star. No. Yeah Yeah, exactly No, um, when you look at the developmental effects that cannabis has on the brain It does but compare it to alcohol. It's all so better So that's alcohol also alcohol also has some doesn't fuck dangerous. Yeah, it's definitely there's a dangerous element There is but yeah, but that's so so here's part of and of course, I mean, we're just playing a game right now Probably could you know what? I know where you're going though when we were in terms of the developmental mind Yeah, that's where here's here's the problem when we grow up the kids that smoked a lot of weed were Fucking losers because they were and now why they were willing to unmotivate the law Unmotivated to yes, and everybody drank alcohol So that's why and I feel like it's easier to disguise weed throughout the day and doing all the time Like it's like you're not as a kid. Although there's exceptions role those kids. It came to school drunk It's a lot harder to disguise that and do that I feel like yeah, you can eat an edible and because there's so much research around marijuana and that it has some health benefits It's not so bad that I mean I went I had this conversation With my brother when so he was so he's what 12 years younger than me. So I was 28 When I was doing the cannabis industry. So what does that put him at right 16 years old, right? So he's in high school and his older brothers got dispensary clubs, you know, and so I and he wasn't really Into weed yet, but he was starting to dabble with stuff and drink and all that And I remember having this conversation with them where my biggest concern was like listen I I really didn't get introduced to this until I was in my late 20s and I had already Had built a career and had success and worked hard and built good habits and fitness and reading and like That had all come together for me already at this at this point in my life And then I get introduced this awesome Thing that makes me chill out and veg out and watch tv and put my feet up and get the munchies and laugh and have a Good time and absolutely loved it because I had I had already developed a responsible mind But being introduced to that at such a young age and that you get all those cool effects I just feel like it's really easy for a young mind to go like oh, this is totally fine And then before they know it they're they're unmotivated and they don't get shit done And I feel like I watched my little brother do that and he's now getting closer to is getting closer to 30 And he's still kind of now he abuses it. Yeah. No, of course You know, I'll tell you what dude. Okay. If you want to talk about abuse. Okay. Think of people who abuse weed Stoners fucking, you know Unmotivated where think of people who abuse alcohol. Yeah, well, you're fucked Like you'll kill you to overdose wait less common though in the high school kids, right? Like you you rarely I mean at least I don't even I think I remember one or two kids that you know I would consider alcoholics or that were like sneaking, you know why though It's believe it or not. This is 100 true when I was in high school It was harder to get alcohol than it was to get weed. Well, it's still that way today Yeah, still that way because it's a regulated legal market another reason why again, I would be I would be more that I'll be more inclined to to caution my son with His cannabis use because I already know the law has already put enough restrictions in in the way for him for alcohol Plus, you're not gonna buy what's gonna buy moonshine. You can't really get alcohol, right? That's what I'm saying. It's like it's that the the laws have already put enough restrictions in in his way Yeah, to to making alcohol become like a daily thing plus it'd be easy for me to tell if my son's getting drunk before school And so that's true But hiding cannabis and smoking it here and there all the time and it becoming a regular thing and access to it I would be more worried about that and and then him him kind of going down that path for you make a really good point You know, my strategy is that when my kids are old enough legally and I've already told my my kids this The first time you you really drink in the first time you try anything that's legal You'll do it with me because I feel like I'm not I feel I would like because they're gonna do it anyway They're gonna try it anyway Whether they do it before they legally can or after, you know, if my kids like if they become, you know If they're like goody-to-shoe, I'm sure they'll try it when they at least become legal, right? They'll say, oh, let me see what this is all about And I know my first experience with my family never drank alcohol I know Italians typically drink well my house never had any alcohol So my spoke my first experience with drinking Was I got way too smashed and because I didn't the same experience. I had no experience I didn't know, you know what to experience So but I bet if I did it with my parents and they did it with me and we had a good time And they said no slow down and here's what it would have helped And so I want I would want that experience with my kids so that they develop more responsible You know use or what? I mean you're you're something in high school now So have you have you told him this yet? Yeah, I did. Oh, so you've already told that I've had this conversation you've already said son when Yeah, when it's time comes you want to try something Oh, I'm gonna if he is in the same thing I'm gonna wait till he has his birthday and I'm gonna say hey Do you want to try this and we'll do this together and we'll go a little bit and I'll show you Because the same thing with cannabis now, you know drinking too much alcohol That can have some really scary like like help like you could die You won't die from too much weed, but you'll feel like you'll fucking die I mean I I remember as a kid overdosing that I was terrified Yeah I think that's the the interesting part and the about that I think as a parent when you look at it and you we have the all the years experience of being around all the stuff and using it is that it's almost More dangerous that weed doesn't have as much negative stuff tied to it as alcohol does, you know Like you think alcohol then you think like hard drugs like cocaine and you think psilocybin lsd all these things kids are like Most good kids at least I was like this like that's scared of all that stuff because you heard all this stuff where You know weed has gotten a thing now where it's it's pretty cool Like it's innocuous. Yeah, it's not gonna do anything. Yeah, so I and I all you need is one Overdose on thc to know that that is not That is a terrible less about that and more just to becoming Accepted as like I get high all the time, you know And then all of a sudden I've got this kid who's stoned every day and ain't doing shit with his life And doesn't think anything's wrong with it because weed it's not bad for me You know I'm saying but it's like you ain't doing shit with your life because you're not present ever and not fucking realizing What's going on? Absolutely. Look if you like our information, you'll love mind pump free.com We have so many free fitness guides that can help you Build a more fit healthy body So we have guides for burning body fat building muscle getting better at specific exercises All at mind pump free.com. You can also find all of us on instagram So you can find justin at mind pump justin me at mind pump sal and adam at mind pump adam