 So, it's calling the art of other places and these might be our secretary. Does that even need a paper? I do. Thank you. A suit. So, you don't have to stand on one. Oh, okay. All right. But we will need to go around Robin because we do have a guest. Do you want to do it? I do. Then let's do both of them first. So, the present is... Let's do it. All right. Maddie. Iris. Teresa. Danielle. Randy. And guest, Sue Houlton. Yes. Oh, sorry. So, what we're missing is... Stephanie. Lara. And Melanie. Camel. Camel. Camel. Camel. Camel. Camel. Camel. Camel. Camel. Camel. Melanie. Melanie. All right. We have a good night. Sue. Thank you. Would you like to introduce yourself and tell us what brings you to our local places today? I'm sorry. Introduce yourself and let us know why you're here. Oh, okay. I'm Sue Houlton. And halfway through the process of selecting an art installation, I got onto that community. And so I've been meeting with Susan and Angela and other members of our couple of places to determine which art piece we're going with, and I think that that process is still going right now. They have some marvelous things submitted, and we've got it down to two. Yes, you probably already know there's some difficulties because everything has to fit into this management of our system. And so, nothing is my lifestyle. We're actually at three minutes of speaking. Yeah, how many minutes? I don't know. I hate to take up all your time. It looks like you have a large agenda. So you're just here to listen in and see how it's going? Yes, and I'd like to see where the process goes from actually here because it really was not finalized into a free system. Yeah. All right. Luckily, it's on the agenda. Great. Okay. Thank you. Oh, yeah. The light's on. Hello. How are you, Melanie? Good. Good. Come on. Sit down there. Come on. You can do anything. So, besides me, that's what you know you're on. Okay. Number four, approving July 21st, 2022 minutes. What do you want? Any direction? Okay. It's the minutes not on the agenda. Oh, we're so serious. Got it? Yep. Everything else looked pretty good. Oh, actually I just looked down and saw something. Okay. Under spoke, less sentence. Yep. It's Susan second, not certain. There's two. Got it. Okay. All right. Any more proofs or any more edits, two minutes? We're going to accept. Is there any motion? Yes, we did. Does someone like to make a motion to accept? We were going to read and then we heard the minutes. Okay. Okay. So, what we've only done? It's all over the board. Okay. Two more. You got a second? I'll second. I'll second. All in favor of this minute correction. Anyone else? Okay. Motion passes. Thank you. Let's talk about now approval of August the minutes of the first, or the end of the correction. Thank you. For a soft, it's been a subject. Thank you. Second off, I believe in the spells remain any DTIV. That's correct. Okay. Any T1. Okay. Under shock art. Yes. It was, it was a little unclear in these minutes what we determined that moving forward winners will be excluded from entering next year. The motion was clear, but the, if an artist wins in one year, on year off. Okay. I need to clean up the, I need to clean up that, the verbiage. And also, the very last sentence on the first page, legible is spelled L-E-G-I-V-L-E. You should always be the same. Okay. You're going to lose here. That's all. You're fine. Right. Right. Spell legible. Right. Iron. Legible. Legible. Legible. Legible. Legible. Legible. Legible. Legible. Legible. Legible. Legible. Legible. Legible. Legible. Yes. Great. All right. All right. Any more of this. Okay. I know how to find it. Oh. Any more notifications to almost 18 minutes? All right. We'll have a motion to accept. Change the pool. I do. I move to accept the August 18 minutes with corrections. Thank you. Any seconds? Second. Any seconds? Any all in favor? None. Anyone loves motion passes? Thank you. Let's talk about any additions to the current agenda. I do have one, please. We are going to add a new business item B concrete on 4. This is for you. What? 15 new business add item B concrete on 4. Probably 4th Street or 8th Street on 4. That's for firehounds on 3. That's for 4. Okay. Any more additions? That's the only addition. Okay. Cool. Number 7. Council of the Chiquita. Hey Chiquita. That's so cool. I steal this. Oh, sure. Come on down. That was impressive. Thank you. Thank you. All right. You are out. Just in time. Really? That was great. We're moving around. I moved you all the way. We had talked about this previously in your absence because you're so busy all the time to move you to the beginning of the meeting so that you hopefully with your schedule you need to read more copies of your time. Yes. Hello everyone. Let's see. Well, there's a lot going on. Still. Still. I will say that the downtown Colorado, I think, Inc. had a lot of municipalities come together today and we did a tour. Well, I didn't go to Boulder, but they did a tour of downtown like Pearl Street, Boulder, and then Lomar. And so our public places was represented and everyone thought that, you know, our breezeways, our walkways and everything was really cool. And the art and everything that we have, everyone loved it. So just to let you know that people appreciate all the good work from other municipalities across Colorado. We have people from all over. So that happened today. So we did that little tour thing and people were just saying how cute Mom is and downtown and some people were like, hey, never bring my kids. I'm coming to Lomar downtown. I'm going to bring my baby here. Nice. I was like, yeah, you're missing out. You're missing out. So that's what happened today. What else do you all want to know? If you want to know from me, that would be not have the answer, but I've been with Tim and maybe a lot of them, but I didn't want to comment. So thank you so much for the plug on the Long Monster. It was awesome. Oh, I was like, I don't understand. It was awesome. It was fantastic. So if you all don't have not seen our own Justin Beach does seasonally. So I think twice a year, once in the spring and once in the fall, his own version of like, he turns to be Jimmy Carson. He turns to be so funny. Sometimes he's funny and sometimes he laughs at himself. But he gives it. He gives it a good off. So Shakita was on his last show and I will send you the link. But his first, I think impromptu question, right? Was he so part of hope? This is pretty sweet. And you're the city council liaison. Tell me about that. And so hopefully off the cuff, Shakita throws down, hey, if you want to participate in your community, here's some ways to do it. Just did a new mural and there's room on the board and just like nailed it. And it was fantastic. So thank you. And this is the only one, the only board I mentioned. He actually asked me what did I like? I think one of the things awards that I like being on and I mentioned it. Yeah. Other than I hadn't been here already. But doesn't mean I'm not watching you. So I will send that link to any other questions for me. Thank you for the work. Yeah. And thank you for supporting the art and public places budget, which is coming around to the budget season. I don't know. I will say the mayor wanted for me to plug in. I don't know if I did it already. But under the walkway, the bike and the walkways, I go down over where you go under. She wants to see art. Yeah. So it gets hit with graffiti a lot. So which we will get there into this agenda, but 9th and Alpine has been a real trick for us. And so once we get that finished up and put the graffiti ceiling on it and feel comfortable putting art that it can continue to be maintained and not get completely ruined, then that's the next one. But until we know that we can keep it maintained, we can best artwork in that space. But I think we're dancing with that a little bit. But I know it's in rhythm on the river's pathway. So it's highly resilient. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Also, we visited the, today, we visited the sugar mill. Oh, wow. So I have to go in there today. Tons of graffiti. Full of asbestos? It should have been. It should have been. It should have been. But it's packed with asbestos. I know. Nothing but white painting down from the heights and everything. But I didn't touch anything. But graffiti throughout the entire sugar mill. Sugar mill. Inside. Inside. Not really that much out, but definitely inside on all three floors. They say some of the floors has a pretty cool art. Yeah. It's good. It's good. Yeah. So, I don't know, but that's something, you know, for the future to really be thinking about getting ready for the end of the year, getting ready to start cleaning up the sugar mill, which will be between 10 to 30 million dollars to be able to do. And that's the city first half the annex that property because it's county property. That's things like, see stuff like that. I'm learning to get on city council. We're in one line. What are you talking about? Right? But the county owns a lot of property. But then the city is online. And so a lot of times people think that, like, you know, ask why we can't make these decisions because we don't own that land. And so, although we use our resources, our tactic and writing without police officers when people call the police, when they see people out there. So it's our officers that go out there. And so those are our resources, right? But it's county plan. So that's why it's important for us to annex it into the city because we're using our resources in the land to take care of it. Well, I think it's the developer and they're trying to also tell me to come is going to apply for a certain grant with the city, not with the city, but the states and federal grants. I think that's the title of the grants, but it has something to do with environmental, this very environmental grant. But of course it's not up to 10 million dollars. So they are looking to try to apply for more grant money and see where the money is and environmental money for that project. And of course it will be housing on that property as well. And we will be able to walk to the age downtown online from there. And the developer really want to use the greenway, mostly to buy some walkway to go downtown. That's what I wanted to say. So the last time I was following this, there was a grant proposal to write a plan for the review. So we're still at that point. So the first will be the plan to review. Will we even step forward to do the review? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, we still have consultants and we have so much stuff going on with that property. But meanwhile, they're still looking at how is it going to be funded, right? So they can be ready to go when that time comes. But I mean, that's more great opportunities for us, especially if we're going to use the greenway in a walkway. How can we maybe even have something on the walkway and who he is, and they're on the ice and make it cute and colorful and things like that to all the way to the site, follow the other road to that potential. Something like that. And starting with those projects early on, even in the developer stage and even in the planning stage, is when we can utilize our dollars, of course, to the max because they're integrated as we've been speaking about. And some of those projects might be coming up on that one, but we'll get more practice in this. This project, it's done by a developer, but is that considered capital improvements? Would we get money from that? I mean, I can't speak to you exactly what that would be, but very likely. Very likely there would be a CID construction project in the same step. Yeah, I don't think it's developed enough to be able to get to the bottom of that, but Angela's right, I think very likely we'll be able to use the dollars that they've done to use them. I mean, imagine a bridge. That's all it takes to get in. Something with the same greenway along. Yeah, I think infrastructure. Yeah, roads, sidewalks, pretty RCA. Anything else? I'm going on to Agenda like in my eight, sister cities project update. City and horses. Do you want me to give just a quick little state of the state before we go forward? Okay, so state of the state. In August, the selection panel for the sister cities project met and saw the three finalists do in-person proposals. Those in-person proposals happened and our works came back and the selection panel voted on two projects. One as a primary and one as an alternate. Then those two different projects went through what in our policy procedures called the internal review committee, the city attorney's office, which means parks department, which means of course I look at it and also risk management. And they came back with their changes. The primary proposal that was selected had significant changes because of its size, because of the way that it deviated from the scope of the original cul-for-pantry and also and most importantly because it frankly is attractive to the client. And so the city attorney gave me the list of requirements risk management gave me the list of requirements and the parks department said, that's fine but this artwork in the state that it will become cannot be in this location. It's going to have to move 10 feet over and into another bed. So then the selection panel came back together and said, we understand that the city attorney and the city basically I'm just going to say the city, but now I'm encompassing all of those groups. The city has different requirements. We would like the artist to do a redesign and we are giving them a deadline so that redesign can get through the internal review committee again and be here for you this evening. So we have that. In addition to that, so that's the primary artist, in addition to that is the secondary alternate artist. There were two very minor changes to be made there. One for safety and climbing and one because the selection panel had an opinion of and you'll see it in a minute that there was an entry way into it but they also kind of wanted an exit so they get a little more conducive to the space itself. So let's start by looking at the space really and then I will answer questions before we look into these redesigns. So this is Flanders Park. It's in the northern part of the city or the western part of the city that is Macintosh Lake that is the northeastern I guess if you will corner of Macintosh and this pink dot is the site that was originally selected for this artwork as I was written in the scope of work. This little triangular bed here which right now is full of Russian sage and we will have to do some remediation I guess to the plant life there but it will have to be removed but we'll then be replanted. This is the alternate site for the first artist. Does everybody know about where I'm talking? This is a look from the site to the kind of south and west these are the Twin Peaks right here and it's this lawn turf space that was the original location and then this bed here is the alternate location. A little more clarity into what that bed looks like so the Macintosh Lake is to your left this is a walkway that goes back into that neighborhood this is the bed we're speaking of so here there it is kind of coming from a frontal view so that would be looking like more and that is the look that if you came kind of around because this walkway goes around this piece of turf if you will that's the view that you will see of the Twin Peaks so again not far from the original but enough that it's it's not view it's not view okay we won't go deep into what the original artwork looked like do we need to? it really is a good point so this is the redesign for the primary work and these are the kinds of technical drawings and you know we always learn lessons right and this is mine is that I need to specify that these kinds of technical drawings are required to submit this is what we should see in the first place but needless to say so this is the work now it is a let's start from the bottom up so the way that it is mounted is a concrete paste on that goes 36 inches into the ground it's a fairly significant amount of concrete work it sticks up about 6 inches and then it's hardware pulled into it is a stainless steel steel tube that then has some sort of connection to the aluminum sheety which is flat with the Mose on top of that on it's on it's 2 feet 3 inches the largest section of the column is 2 feet 3 inches and at it's shortest width doesn't specify here I know it does somewhere but anyway it's probably about half of that so do you know what we're talking about we're talking about a kind of a cube rectangle a little column and then on top of the column is the sculpture and the sculpture is a 2 flat silhouettes I suppose and then they are flush mounted together so they're sandwiched together and then there's a structure on the inside no way so it's not in the round that's a very good question so here is the best image that I can tell you about from front to back it's this wide it's not going to have a negative space you won't be able to see through it so there will be some sort of overlapping piece there I imagine also glad with that mosaic that will go over the top but it really is what's happening that's a specification you're going to get into but it's certainly not in detail but so it is kind of a right and left and then in panel I'm going to get to you in just a second because I may answer your question so then along each side so the four sides of the columns have these different messages and the messaging is also in that same mosaic superior colorful mosaic on all sides and let me show you what that's going to look like if I didn't close the thing silhouettes won't go through sorry technical rods so these are obviously the sculpture that are mounted on the top height is 5 feet the column itself is 8 feet which will include the bump out from the ground to the first step I guess a few of the 6 inch steps on the concrete and the hardware so the column itself is 7.5 so the whole entire thing is over 14 feet tall and then these are the messages that will be on each of the sides so to give you an idea of what so quite a bit different from the original but certainly has elements of the original I can say that we did the artist had a fairly significant task to bring into what the city had asked for and he did apply of course to make the concessions that we were asking for he also successfully brought in the language component that would have likely been mapped out otherwise so it did serve him in that way so that is that should we talk about this or should we talk about the other first a couple of years ago on the he's fluent speaker so I'm sure that whatever and however it is spelled will be accurate but we certainly will have a cross chat yeah so the city was not worried about something really cool maybe the concessions that he has made the standard document for what is called an attractive nuisance actually means likely to climb by the other person so selection panel 1 will be huge so should we look at should we discuss this or should we look at our alternate and I'll discuss the task force okay because where we are according to the city attorney's office in this process is that we have successfully according to our policies and procedures we have successfully spoken to the selection panel at large sufficiently so the recommendation, the last portion to go to a contract is the recommendation from the task force to this body this body approves the next steps to start the contracting phase of this can you tell me what goes on yeah you said mosaic yes motion sickness for me scrolling it's time to close your eyes that's the best example of what it is so it's a high fire that stands out from yes the aluminum is the yes the aluminum is the base and then there's the mortar and then there is the mosaic cladding and the clad is does not protrude so to say that it's as smooth as a mosaic can be yeah it doesn't have elevation right yeah so so the alternate then is this pavilion and the concessions that had to be made oh so it's got you know benches and the concession that had to be made that was the preference of the selection panel is that in fact it's open on both sides so that green seat is now open in fact and the concrete that would be poured as a sidewalk would go from both sides of the sidewalk that's in existence would come into the turf link the gazebo flush for ADA clients with the concrete base that this gazebo has been mounted on and the other piece was that to any armhole where someone could grab on and find this wing has to be that magical seven and a half feet tall so this piece is now going to be taller so let me show you it's not explanatory I'd say but obviously just for scale you can see here how much taller it will be and obviously it's now open on both sides so this is the alternate yes this is the one that has the ball on top of it yes so more like a gazebo but now of course with an entry and an exit alright so with that we'll put these redesigns again have gone through the city and so here we are for the task force to I've learned to start by saying this whole process with sister series has been quite a learning experience one type of delay is indiment sites that work really sites that they got moved and I think another learning opportunity has been presented to us through this through your particular project and Angela would know the ins and outs of this but after a selection panel possibly made two or three recommendations to talk to or read whatever it came down to that internal review would possibly then it would be sent off to internal review before we said that and that way we would know the risks involved, the modifications involved the ins and outs instead of after the fact that that might be an opportunity to rethink procedures but I'll just hold another learning opportunity Cindy and I have talked about it being on the task force with me and our recommendation as AIP task force was that that we go with Jones and a couple of reasons being that we felt like and maybe I'm speaking not PC on this but the wow factor of Mario's kind of dissipated from what it was to what it would have to be no only because he's following the guidelines now of what internal review said had to happen with it and so that left a different aspect that was our that was not what we saw in the original selection then we felt like we felt like Jody's kept the same site and you moved it anywhere so we liked that because it's a great grass area that the public and sister cities was able to use without it being in a crosswalk per se and you could put chairs whatever they had whatever events they were having where you have to remember the whole thing on Jody's is only 10 feet across so it's not like this you know where you're going to come inside and 10 feet so we just after discussing it felt like because of those ideas I don't want to do anymore bring down any of Mario's and I mean the efforts were incredible they both had that he particularly had to do with this but with it being Jody it really created more of was it just a sign was it just a marker it wasn't that unbelievable wow fact that happened at first a large opportunity there that maybe we need to improve in procedures or when we see something come through like that go the brakes on and we got to do this first and I don't know procedurally how that would work so our motion would be that AIPP that the task force on AIPP we recommend that we go ahead forward with Jody's I think her timeline was a little more was quicker than Mario's was going to be as I recall and I remember what she said and but in that motion that we want to allow a selection panel to come back together and be to no no no what we're recommending is that the artwork originally chosen through no fault of the artist is significantly different from what the task force reported on it's not because it's a little quite developed it's a little thin signpost what we're recommending therefore is that the AIPP commissioned to approve the butterfly pavilion as the artwork for this project so I think then it's definitely a discussion I really have to agree with Susan that the original piece that Mario did I mean if you came down into Flanders Park and saw what he created it would have been a movie set of Flanders because he couldn't help but notice it was just fantastic but the practicality of trying to have that there it's not possible because of first management and so he had to change from this giant cruise butterfly into something probably different that's been off to the side I agree it's more like a signpost that's not to say that we couldn't love what he created it was the original was 14 feet the entire piece was 14 feet so if that gives you it's a third sculpture itself is a third of this size there was no pedestal and you come down there and you see this giant cruise with the butterfly wings which got the idea of people coming from Mexico or butterflies coming from as to the other the original ask for that art piece because we thought it was going to be in a new part of the no dreams or anything we were asking for a shape some kind of shape anyway we didn't fit that at all but as he pointed out there are other places where people can sit in shape we can even have all of these we have a bunch of kids that come from Japan and Mexico at the same time and we're now having some of the kids come from the reservation too so we have quite a large group and they can easily leave it's only there but this art piece would still be something that we could grab things and what other people could also use it for a meeting place a conversation place but as Eva or the piece that Joey came up really that's what was originally asked for anyway so they're two completely different art pieces and I just think that Mario's because it happened to be altered so much it's no longer what a song so since I missed all of the pre-work so the meaning what is the meaning or the interpretation of the z-bow or butterfly and also I think I just heard you saying the butterfly is a goose with what did you say I just want to know what the meaning of the two art sculptures are what does that mean? I think we had asked artists to come up with something that would represent our exchange with Mexico and because a lot of butterflies do migrate from Mexico too far that was why the butterfly was a symbol of the exchange so here is the call for the artists when they were given the selection panel went through a number of applications and narrowed it down to these three and upon receiving word that their qualifications had moved on for consideration to create a specific proposal this is what they were given and so from the very beginning even when someone was supplying their qualifications this is what they had read and so seeking Colorado artist or artist team proficient in the creation of a specific sculpture to serve as shady gathering space to celebrate the 25 years of sister cities partnership between Guzman, Expo and Colorado then talking about the exchange the space overlooking kind of our symbols of the and then sorry if you get motion sickness close your eyes we included of course the sister cities points that come from their mission statement so municipal cooperation, leadership etc and then the look there it is community bonding and history so all of the artists were to consider when they were creating their proposals community bonding and history and sister cities, relationships, social impact culture reflecting the past the present and the future the connection and access of course borders and transformation and gathering celebration space providing shade that each of them came with their individual proposals saying how the artwork in one way or another connected to this or how it within the space provided allowed these points to be accomplished and so one artist went one way with monumental sculpture right and highlighted exactly your point of what the park is providing and then the other stuck to a pretty you know all of the points pretty consistently through the artwork and so what you didn't see but I'll show of course just so everyone is really very aware so there's a gaze involved for this reflection in and out there are the butterflies represented which punches them out of the the cladding or her aluminum cladding and then she welds them into the shapes and then that's like the ceiling inside inside to see the roof behind it and there's all butterflies and then cut out and then cut out butterflies are also not so each of them did a significant amount of research and explained all of those pieces in parts within their presentations so all of them did significant amount of research into whose mind and that so again both well from from outside looking in on what I just saw I think the visible it's gorgeous it's beautiful but that to me with the podium with the long line and the different colors that speaks to me to me um I'm sure the other person who goes across the city on the selection panel might feel the same way I love what he's done with his Spanish and English and you say the colorful yeah it's just when I think of the exchange and I think of the students I think of vibrancy right and I think that to me that speaks to me when I stop it because I haven't seen anything else I haven't seen any other art or anything this is my first time seeing this but when I think of sister city I do love the imprint of the butterflies that's pretty cool very elegant very beautiful um I don't know I'm just giving my two cents well she still is her sister city is also so she comes to our farm it's somewhere so that's a very good one so oh yeah go ahead I think of the gazebo it just reminds me of Aladdin I think of Kingdom like Imagine Concrete in Aladdin I don't think of it as long I don't think of it as Spanish city so I think just getting back to my angel listening to the city attorney hat so the conversations regarding design et cetera et cetera creative et cetera et cetera have been added so where we are in policy and procedure is very much at the precipice of that you as the body can make a decision to have the selection panel reconvene and see these designs and make their recommendation which then comes back through Susan and Cindy to this body again for the final selection panel vote on these redesigns according to the city attorney's office because we have gone through the selection panel process this body now has the authority to make this decision but what we're not doing is talking again about creative et cetera et cetera beyond so you can do one of two things you can make someone make a motion to accept the recommendation presented which is actually on the table technically or you could give the selection panel you could just approve whatever the selection panel approves in advance or they could come back to you in October the only thing I caution about time is that what is very clear it's very clear is that sister cities is having exchange next year and needs to have this work installed by July 1 so every 30 days that goes by it's just 30 days into the future right so I what's that material that I use on the very top for the is that aluminum or just because I was trying to picture my original because the original was like the metal cut out right and then aluminum shape like my fires with so he's he has done this kind of work before right it's the girl on the yeah yeah he's very he's very understanding and knowledgeable of the material that he's so that's great I'm curious how he's been trying to do picture a little bit better but yes mosaic and a lot of color so the motion that's on the table right now is that the task force for the selection panel is suggesting that we move forward so according to our friend Robert right so we can second that motion or we can revise that motion or we can remove that motion if I go to correct do you have anything else to say well I don't you don't go that's right yeah oh yeah sorry no I just I wanted to suppose this is the first I've really seen a little bit more early at the projects as opposed to the science in the higher level and I really appreciate the the task force explanation of it I know just from my background working with cities going back to what the requirements are what the ask was I can see why the alternate is sort of fits the description of what was asked initially and what was wanted initially so I can certainly understand why the alternate is is preferable so I have a feel for it also she had like something like 600 or that she presented it on this black background which was a poor choice of my opinion but the Zivo was sort of a dark blue but we could ask her to do it any color that is true it could be turquoise or something it could be any color that's right it's powder coating so it comes in pretty much energy imaginable and in fact glossy and matte she presented that but she did further discussions we got a motion and a second so all in favor of accepting the Zivo as the piece of art she asks us to accept the Zivo artwork for the sister series I will move forward with the contract language and make sure that Zivo artists know that again they have to go through the city often and hopefully we can get that in next month I just wanted to make sure that when they have to do the modifications they got paid do the modifications excellent question so each of our artists were paid $1,500 for their proposals and when we go back for modification that is part of the proposal project the way I explain it often is if you are going to use a carpenter to create a bench and you ask them and you need to see it and you suddenly ask for them you want to see screws rather than nails it is within their qualification within their ability to make certain adjustments and this project specifically is a little unusual because the work presented was so far out of the original scope it was not unfair to say hey, guess what we asked for apples and we got kumquats we need to kind of get meat in the middle here, right so that was a very very fair ask no additional funds but certainly paid fair wage for the work that was done and my learning opportunity was making sure in the documentation of what is required for your proposal we require every artist to go through structural engineering so wind load snow load, make sure it does not fall on anybody the technical drawings are going to be due to that structural engineer at some point we don't ask them to make that payment in advance but those technical drawings asking those as part of the proposal is completely legitimate and we should ask for that so did we mention anything about height requirements we'll be sure to do that seven and a half feet is a magic number okay, very good I know that that was the bulk of our meeting we're going to have to go for the rest of it yeah, thank you and I will update sister cities okay, thank you thank you let's move on to the Spoke project update which looks like we're going to do Sunday from three to six so Monday on the Spoke building the county housing authority is doing tours etc of the Spoke and I don't know if you've driven by recently but B.J. is well underway so you will see him up on his lift usually after noon and he goes right into the evening and he's completely on schedule because it's been so bloody hot so no rain is good for him yeah and he considered the composition and played with the different birds and it looked really weird like they were attacking each other so he's sticking with the original composition but he is adding more hummingbirds so yeah no later than the end of this month but he built in contingency time for bad weather and it's been hot so he's on he's cooking I don't want to see him yeah it's been really not for rain really not for rain but he hasn't had bad weather it's been kind of nowhere all of a sudden I looked up today and I was like whoa I got to drive by and take pictures before I came that's a heck of a lift if you haven't seen him up there on that lift working so we're the faint of heart so that way yeah that's what I was going to ask the spoke the actual building so we get to walk in I think there's like a tour of like the building and its amenities and probably about Boulder County Housing authorities like offices probably not through personal residence but I'm sure they have like a step in there one of my co-workers looks there but yeah like they definitely are like pretty community oriented in the whole building itself so that would make the most sense they're showing around they would have to offer maybe we'll see what their boardroom looks like and take a field trip but I could ask they're very cool alright shock art update the whole box is being primed this weekend and so shock art artists are all under contract and we'll be meeting yep oh and we did a tour of the one across the street and it went Kevin from LBC he says the Satan's children the hornets, wasps live right here and they all came out like on cue it was awesome so that's good because I think that there's a lot of artists who are really getting under way and not letting me know that they're planning on painting and he needs to go and book on that thing so all the critters go away so don't be turds and I don't think people will leave them so it was on cue they just started coming out it's like eating dinner in the room on cue so yeah that's our move rental yes are we are we planning for next year we can okay am I the first on the task force are you still going to be on the task force yes because we're kind of coming to the end of the years of projects and so when executive team meets in October as per AIP guidelines we'll have new projects and we're going to have to shake up task forces I'll send Kevin a note I'll send Kevin a note asking him to send us his rusty options and I'll also send you the picture of the map that we had people serve once they wanted to see that one this is the one they sent the new one for this year which I separated into five years and it's all data once we're doing this year so Kevin sends you copies of that one absolutely and as soon as these folks are done we are redoing our pamphlets so we need a new one okay alright neighborhood improvement project you're going to be in Merrill half quarter last time project which was amazing I've seen you were there a lot of time well I just I thought it went really well the first day we didn't have we had like eight volunteers which was okay but by the third day we had at least 20 I think people what was really fun is that there were a lot of children who had that pain in and they were very excited about participating in it I had this one guy tell me that he felt really accomplished I feel so accomplished now and I have my boyfriend tell me that he was sure he was artistic I can tell I'm artistic so it was just really fun although he did make the mistake the first day of like scheduling people through the afternoon I showed at the two and he stopped he stroke what I got before you got there it was very lonely it was sad it was like the worst time too much but I guarded everything yeah but honestly it was so hot on the concrete filled with the cream and it was hot so we decided just to do like till 12 till noon which was a really good idea is it finished there that I think has almost no black lines there being with my cap I noticed that Jennifer came back and filled in some lines and like the sun's got smiley faces so that was really cool yeah so all the way around of course there's added components and then we'll do a seek and find so how many cats do you see and how many kites are there and she named it play by play for Kiteley Park so yeah so now let's just see how that and there's an on board community community well so I asked her nicely so there's a dog and I said okay I need you to paint on a bunch of tennis balls so she painted a five feet of sidewalk a bunch of tennis balls so I'm going to go over there and I'm going to graffiti coat one and I'm going to try and ruin one and I'm going to power wash one and I'm going to see because I talked to another artist who used that graffiti coating a little bit in a printing press and the water just beads on it this paint specifically made to have grit if any of you do a new painting like when you would put your when it started getting really hot and things were drying it was so busy grabbing it was like a ball of sandy goo so it's really something was that we did when it was drying so fast so my hope it's a basketball court so it makes it great so that people can do best quality things yes so we're going to we're going to see the coating make it slicker I think so but I have been working with this manufacturer since January and they asked exactly that and I said well you shouldn't have to and so supposedly we get it when we get it it's colored by numbers and we have extra paint already on hand so we just go and take care of it we're just going to have to play with it but again kind of the same thing as the box forward under over until we have our methodology really down we'll just see how this goes the next piece of course too is seeing how it performs on asphalt it showed it to him he just said oh I have to be my granddaughter here and there was a family with two kids and one kid was learning how to ride a bike and they would just go oh I like that bird and I like that fish so it's been it's been very well received growing down so she did she put the paint on the poles and the paint doesn't roll on the wheels so I think she wanted that so so I would say all in all success alright this is not really one of these community things that was the other thing that came up was when someone applies we need to have a decompression meeting with Wayne Tomek from Community Neighborhood Services but really if the grant actually our public places funds our work and the community brings the food and the people and the brings the community and the work one of the things that I think we could have done more successfully too is we can pay for the flyer aspects or door hangers but then have the people in the community provide for the grant go over the door meet your neighbors and tell them about it right since we know how to do this we'll bring our expertise in that way and have the community because that's what it is community building first and smart but yeah ban food all of those kinds of things I would totally agree that would help a lot of the people there to experience the part but well whatever speaking from a neighbor who has joined mgla and I'm not on the board but my home is a sister community patients it is so hard to get community participation if you try for months they don't have to go to that meeting so it's really which begs the questions that the devil's advocate yes we should be working with Wayne and yes and gla is absolutely something that exists and is a method what about the other communities it would value this kind of experience and that's the hard part like we have to find that middle ground where we can bring this same thing as well so this is established and it's great because you know it covers a lot of the things that we haven't done but I think finding that alternates methodology to getting to the same result in other communities is going to be something like the alpine all right so I took all of the comments that were said last month I met I was on Daniel there oh gentlemen sorry we met with Carmen Vermeer as Wayne Tomak about bilingual and in fact even multilingual similar messaging in the box over and I think general consensus and Jane is absolutely makes sense and the entire box over means addressed that said the contract that we are under with this artist now is the contract that we are under with this artist now so it is preferred by the artist and I included the task forces for our audience before you that we continue and move forward with the English translation on the one side of the box over I will hold pictures here in a minute and then I have a number for you for the rest of it long long wall two including two and this is not a contract I have drafted this would be I have to develop a scope of work rewrite the contract get the artist to sign the new contract so that makes sense supplies lodging and transport new design general execution with community participation of a total of $19,444 $19,444 so that is to say that is the completion of the rest of the box over yes how much did we pay this person he gave us the maintenance so he got paid 10 something for the original and that was before my time and then this is an addendum to his original contract right so it falls under maintenance and remediation this is what we are talking about now is a completely new contract to address the second side of the box it also in both of these instances does not include the graffiti that is on us for both application and supplies which is very fair I have to clarify one more time we paid him $10,000 approximately for your original payment and that was years and years and years ago so and then next so he's ever contract for one hand correct and then the second half will be good money right because the first contract was for remediation so let's look at what makes us cry right oh yeah this is actually when it wasn't then right so at some point there was still some things left so the original contract was you know none of this had been damaged at that right but then as it can so then we went under contract for him to remediate and that's the dollar I think you're better looking at now so this is the third contract like that of it closing the third closing the third one how much for the very first year like 10 seconds and again if you're thinking about value just take that just take that and throw it away throw it away because that artist was in that place at that time but there's qualifications at that point with his portfolio at that time right and then when it got damaged they were paying him for the the intended portion of this contract which is the remediation of the fix that's what we're under contract now that's what we need to execute in October I don't know why we don't have the images of where is where he keeps this that's how much you pay pay it for it because this is what it looks like now except when the guy going graffiti on top of it he goes in and paints blue again so the more the longer the longer we wait bigger problems that we have we just can't eat it correct because you can't put the coating on and then take the coating off and then paint it the solution at this point in time is to continue to paint it blue rather than the ugly gray boxes right it's real it's still it's still going to be cheaper to use an eminent like the best term possible cheaper to basically use him to finish off the job of the whole area than seeking out another artist okay so that would be spearheading the second portion and working with and he said our artist friend who is in town everyone loves right he's going to subcontract whatever other artist needs to be brought into this situation because his artwork is on both sides of that box forward so when you come into that box forward it's his work right and we're not getting rid of I don't know why we're not getting rid of the L we're not getting rid of the uh-huh so using another artist either way to finish the work really wouldn't be a possibility if we do then we are talking about getting rid of the L that's my thought basically yeah we would have to really briefly move to develop his work before we start getting around to one so here's that but Longmont together now is not on both sides in English Longmont together is on one side in English in town and then the other side stays blue until new design comes your way word, cloud, Longmont united in languages bringing in another artist or artists to lend their voice and opinion getting community feedback what that looks like basically starting from the new design phase of this whole thing and likely with some sort of messaging on the other side of the wall with dates that says a new design is under way this is when we're meeting to look at the design this is when we're planning on when the community paint comes spring because it's a box culvert cold and so not only does the paint adhesion temperature matter but the box culvert stays really cold so it can't even be like March it's going to be like May so we need to put some kind of signs up that say coming soon it's a spot near you hey you want to participate you want to be a decision maker right this meeting today two things need to happen I need the thumbs up that I can pull the trigger on the postcards that are designed to get people to sign up for October because that needed to happen yesterday but that means moving forward with the contract that we have under wraps knowing that if you as a commission want to move forward with another side this is the amount of money you're talking about working with this artist to do those things and to Danielle's point if we deviate you go with a different artist from the other side this artist may have something to say about the in and out right so what you're looking for is a motion to accept the artist's price to do the second wall sometime in the spring in the spring and for us to start moving on that project Danielle and Jennifer on the task force yeah go ahead I just wanted to say that this really is a very large space I mean it really is huge so when you're thinking about of labor and putting together and painting you know $19,000 kind of I don't think that's let's use paint on the feet I think it's the very reasonable yeah I mean because that's really a big space that's mildly common yours should both is a $40,000 project and it's less worth it yes exactly so but he wants to see this done right too yes but also it's on personal business right any more questions or discussion did I make that motion I so moved I second that motion can we just make it an even 20 sure just an easy motion I mean obviously I feel alright do we need to sign up for the the coordination of the community oh buddies y'all better have your volunteer hats on we are going to be checking people in we're going to be checking people out it's going to need to be a fairly coordinated effort so a quietly plus right do anything sending any messages to the school yeah okay because that would be not a future one you can't get them to sign up but I think it's too short of a turnaround for doing a very concentrated effort of not here school art class come and sign up because that requires our magical and the IGA we should ask the teacher to if you want to get this please here's pliers and that's all your kits here's your code absolutely we'll do alright so keep an eye out for that volunteer bit and yeah gather the people he sent me a note said he didn't forget about me he excavated who is the citywide award so they have to do some a great look at his down he hasn't but he said he didn't forget about me Dan Wolford who is the natural resources person is retiring so that's not a problem it just needs that I have to make new friends over there to learn about bank swaps and their migration times because we can't team when they're nasty but just keep working on it right so if we had a project and they nest in the spring when do they leave can we make it a fall project yes these birds but it actually is a fairly considerable concern and of course we're still at that moment figuring out the main or stucco or vinyl wrap anyway it comes to work on it but we'll be talking about it in executive business December 15 didn't know if we want to meet somewhere and do holiday excitement or if we wanted to wait until after all the days to celebrate or and or if we want to keep our December meeting then sometimes you cancel it sometimes you just I think we should leave this to the executive because I don't know what we have on agenda for something that we really need to meet about what we should be I don't want to do the party before okay so what if we did the party on the same day and here and bring food and have a meeting and eat people are busy it's December you can make it a very short agenda but possibly necessary and enjoy okay I think that no we just need to we just need to decide especially if we're canceling it then I need to put it on the calendar but if we're keeping it and we're just making it a party thumbs up I'd like to also having maybe a lunch in the private room while we're there in the cheese factory which we gave to the friends along by Louisiana about the size 10 people or whatever was in the large one we can do that so mind you mind you that the way that commission dollars is all of the food that is provided has to be open to the public at all times so anytime we can't we can't throw parties for ourselves for example if we do an art dedication it's forever so we can't while we can do something like that it would kind of be a BYO DME the setting is public already I'm going to do pop-up if everyone can read starting from our yeah they can bring our songs as long as it's open to the public yeah meetings are ready so I I think I'll recommend that we have the meetings we have food we want to bring in something from cheese and quarters or somewhere else and we still have so excellent there we go start thinking of things to bring who seconded motion passes I can see that okay okay so last but not least and I know forgive me I don't have that finished treasure report for you but that's okay you'll recall that some time ago there was discussion of potentially St. Peter's being remediated and I don't what did I say I'm a Gravel Decker I don't know if that's St. Peter's St. Stephen's to be remediated and one of the reasons that we didn't move forward with part of the move is because if St. Stephen's goes then those flints are going to go with them and we will end up rewiring in some of that time I knew that the fountain was along the way what else has happened there have been looks at a larger project without talking to LVDA about where they are and their funding and how much that came back with I don't know if they're phasing it out or whatnot the other thing we had talked about with part of the move is two-fold number one a binding or with the other rental projects that are like this so we're installing at the same time with others and also the two-dimensional artwork that's going to be here in the court it's a dangerous design so if those if we lose places to mount artwork in St. Stephen's one of the places that have been considered is here along 4th Street and the reason why is you'll see this tree and then you're going to see a whole lot of that and the reason is because they're all dead blue and so there's tree grades like here and here and here and this is main on the left and then there's an alley and then it's playing and whoops anyway so the ziggies is you're looking south yes so this is the west side so there's the ziggies there are ziggies so now we're looking south so now we're looking south anywho so this is very bare and there are 5 tree grades that are just perfectly curbed and porplins all along 4th Street and have a walk I bid out estimates through citywide contractors and it's anywhere between 15 per total which say 5, 6, 4 so there's one right in front of the firehouse we have the funds to be able to view it and this which I can show you so this kind of brick area is looking pretty good eventually in some day they'll probably have to be porous sidewalk but this is staying where it is the other thing that's happening along here is tracks which that guy is like standing up he's looking at it right there this is Kauffman street so Kauffman is about the RTE business right so it's a good spot very visible and it would give us more locations because we're hoping that all of our changes for our charter are going to get changed for next fiscal year so we'll have the ability to put in more time already so we could use all 5 of them or we could use 3 of them at a time and put them in other places around the town just going to say if you do have spots around the town then you could put there's a spot right behind that so it's not that it's going away you could just be at it more and it would look very intentional yes fire cross is right there so everything would have to fit on top of that it would always sculpture that's just going to be able to fit on top of that yes we're talking about new plinths they're just new pedestal plinths okay with screws it would be so that's what I would call if we're investing in doing this something that's standardized right so then when the sculptures come about we put the little mounting thing on and then it mounts to that and then we take it off and then it mounts to it because I don't know if you've seen the one in St. Stephen's recently but they've seen they've seen 15 years of the program anyway they're all the churches thing yeah yes this is a plaza to the how much did you say that did he go through that two bits back between 15 and 18 because I have to that's the ones on fourth yes the ones on fourth not the one kind of five along fourth and that's in the tree grids or what yes where the existing curves are so there it is if they're going to fix that make it look nice and make it look super intentional and again you can imagine that there's as they are and that also includes digging out the tree digging out the root you know the whole bit of it this is just an example this is one of the five so that these go all down this tree there's actually a tree there that tree may or may not be there anymore it might be that one that one those little trees also trees are dead and gone and there's just these so just one preference would be maybe on to the tree because it seems a little bit stark to me it just has like fire sculptures boom boom boom boom and maybe have on the other side of the street or around the corner or something I love the idea because it's going to the firehouse because there are you sure? so what is the does the city forest yes it's what I was just going to say so we have to work around what their plants are this would not be instead of a tree these are places that oh yeah no the dead tree is cut off it's in the ground and nothing's going back there the other side of the street doesn't look like it has no it's not on the other side the other side of the street it just seems to look nice those are so any who this again coming up with through Kimberley and talking about where St. Stephen's is where it is going and thinking about keeping park on the move downtown knowing that there's a very very very good chance that we're going to have more funds for temporary work but if St. Stephen's isn't there there won't be very much downtown if after St. Stephen's is rebuilt and if we have places to put art there will that make this weird if we only have like one thing everyone here and three things at St. Stephen's you may start to concede of actually purchasing things coming out of our own move and curate that and actually install art there and leave it and leave it there or want to start looking at direct purchases by all going to the sculpture show next August and looking at art that can be purchased directly and that's part of your of the way to start programming art writing but also I don't think there will be no, yeah it's really just going to be you know, kind of stealth but there's nothing that it's not going to look better than it looks now because I lived a complicated life could some be round and some be square and some be... no, you're not going to do that to me just to get to what would you need from us what's that would you need from us it would be so to our budget can hold it this fiscal year but to pour concrete a certain temperature needs to be we need to stay within a certain temperature so, yeah, I would love a permission to if you agree to build new plants yeah, go forward with it as long as it stays under some threshold I think under 20,000 is including that we go ahead and put in five plants I'm not sure I'd say a lot of people second yeah alright, all your favor raise your hand anyone pose fantastic great so you're sold out and I think with that we have a commission on this I would like to say did anybody see the great first couple places In the newspaper magazine, it showed our rejuvenation project and the way the damsel and the freight bulls were idealized. Thank you. It was wonderful. Thank you. Now we left Matt. He left the leader and now he's with Holder Weekly and that's a, it's called Inside Longmont. And it's actually video once a year. So those magazines will be up and around for a year. Here's that one. And here's the next one. My mistake was playing on apps with me. I was on the way out, you know, one of those racks. So when we go to a restaurant, one of those racks is up the floor. All right. Tea and Dream. Ooh. I'll try and get some. It's at Holder Weekly. One side it's inside Holder and the other side it's inside Longmont. Thank you. And the inside Longmont has Gamma's Generations in here all the time. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That's good. Going down some articles. I just had a couple things I wanted to ask about. Asking for a quick answer. Did anything get damaged in the same students? Yeah. This is so great. All right. Now, I don't know what's happening with this or maybe she cheated us or something, but is there any trouble being in your memorial in the kids' department? Yes. And would we be somehow involved? Yes. Okay. Without going too far down, well, Carmen Ramirez actually and her partner came to Kitele and she asked that any remediation that we're doing on the Unity Project weighs. The family has been moving into some sort of memorial but is now working with Carroll and the city on doing something more celebratory. They will be coming to us. We will be involved and that will be quick. Because I live right here. Yeah. And actually, something recently, like yesterday, I was walking by there and a bunch of city trucks and guys were out there. They were all like looking up and looking down. They were looking to see where they're going to the cameras and also the arborists was there checking the drinks. But things are happening. Yeah. Yeah. All right. What is the sense of duperis? It's a little box. Yeah. Okay. And then that's just for me. Did you read our sign? No. I think it's very cute. I'm hibernating. Hibernating. Hibernating. Now he's in good shape and the registrar goes over there fairly. So he's going to go regularly to make sure that there's no moisture building up on the inside because we don't want to create a microclimate. Basically. But now he's fine. And that new building over here will really help you out in the town. All of the other municipalities were very intrigued by that. Yeah. But that is the older sign. The box. Yeah. Wait, is that really a bear? Yeah. Yes. It's really a bear. It's really a bear. It's huge. All right. I was down by Wibby yesterday. Wednesday. Wednesday. Wednesday is right. And I was taking a picture of the shop over there. And across the street is the, what's the general painting? Yeah. It's a paint abolished as we speak. Yeah. Why are you both gone? I followed him on Instagram. He had thought maybe a bit of it going on. I noticed in the side over there with the blooper, that they painted, he painted, some of the lines on it. Each turn. Each turn. Each turn. Each turn. Each turn. Each turn. Each turn. Each turn. Each turn. Each turn. Each turn. Each turn. Each turn. Each turn. Each turn. One second. One second. Motion. Everybody, second.