 That's the first day too right the second day. Okay, we're back. We're live We're here at five o'clock for five minutes except it's 445 at five for five minutes with Anu Hiddle She is the host of climate change. I show climate change Beyond outrage and she is now deployed on assignment at the World Conservation Congress the IUCN And she reports to us every afternoon around this time about what's going on And this is day six of the World Conservation Congress. So bring us current. What do you want to? Aloha, how are you good? So I will bring you up to date a little bit We've had this is day six of the Congress of the World Conservation Congress and the first five days was something called the members Forum and now we're into the members assembly so the forum itself was the first five days where the public and Everyone else was invited and there were all kinds of pavilions and Whole bunch of hoopla going on downstairs. There were workshops and site events and high-level discussions We heard a little bit from me on day one and day two. We had superstars here Jane Goodall and Sylvia Earl and EO Wilson and all of these wonderful folks and Now the forum is finished that finished yesterday. So it is a lot quieter here on the floor There is something called the members assembly where all the members of the IUCN get together and Vote they vote on these motions and this is this is perhaps a little bit more boring for everyone else But it really is very important because this is when Where and when the conservation agenda? For the globe is decided that this really is where non-governmental organizations and Governments and other members get together and they pass something called resolutions. So they've been Filtering up motions from all of the all of the members. This is a process that's been going on since January UH law school the University of Hawaii Manoa law school has been Putting together and helping to draft seven of these motions. They all got approved. So they were really happy This is when that approval happens. So for the first time ever IUCN did an electronic voting process an online process so about a hundred motions and 85 of those were debated online and then passed For approval to be passed really at the on the floor today So 85 on block all of them passed and then now about 14 of them are being put for discussion and debate At the assembly that began today Could you give us an example of a motion? Yes, I certainly could so of some of those that were passed electronically These motions actually afford protection to species habitats and also identify emerging issues So for example a species specific one is a conservation of the helmet and hornbill Okay, so that was one motion that was debated electronically and it passed a Country or region specific one was supporting the Brazilian red-listing process on the conservation of threatened species there So that's a little broader. It's a country and region-wide Initiative and a more general one perhaps is protected areas as natural solutions to climate change So these are all motions that passed electronically on the floor and perhaps quite hotly debated will be motions like IUCN policy on biodiversity offsets IUCN response to the Paris climate change agreement that may not be as hotly debated, but Anyway, I think I think it's actually quite clear Tom Lovejoy of the Smithsonian yesterday said that two degrees, which is what the Paris agreement has Proclaimed is the target that two degrees is just too hot a world that corals will die at two degrees So I think there will be an interesting response that way. So what's happened is that These motions were passed electronically today, but then the ones that are being debated on the floor will come about Tomorrow on Friday, they will they will vote on them on Friday But all through tomorrow Wednesday, there will be contact groups Which will try and come to some kind of consensus To for each of these motions So I will be attending a couple of those and then can give you an update Please we look forward to that. Let me ask you one question before we go Yeah, and that is you have motions and you have resolutions, but those do not have the force of law So how do we get the action points on this? How do we actually enforce the conclusions that are being made at the World Conservation Congress? Okay, so the motions become resolutions or recommendations and of course this is all soft policy all soft law Right, so this does not become law, but it as as such once it's a motion I'm sorry once it's a resolution and does not become law, but once it's a resolution It is something that the global community has agreed to and it's something that governments can point to or non Governmental groups can point to and say to these to their governments Look the whole world community agrees that two degrees is too hot. We've got to do something else and then Civil society can put pressure on their governments and governments can follow up with Actual laws. Yes, so it's a follow-up thing just as that's a follow-up thing. This is a follow-up thing So we'll see you tomorrow around this time for day seven at IUCN the World Conservation Congress Thank you so much Anu Hill. Thank you very much. It's good to be here. Aloha. Aloha