 You learn to shoot, that doesn't mean you are going to kill somebody. You paint him, look after you, whatever way you go, he's going, you have to listen to him. They all join together, jump in the car, hope you go. Well, we can be better, so let's work towards that way. George, how are you my friend? I'm very well, thank you very much Chris, what about you? Yes, not going to complain, put it that way. That's good, that's good. Well, we can be better, so let's work towards that way. Yes, definitely, definitely. And we should say thank you to Gareth. So Gareth, if you're watching this, thank you for putting George and I in touch. What I will say is it's not really George. But I'm going to keep tripping myself up, George, if I try to pronounce it in Romanian. And so George is OK, yeah? Yeah, no problem, yes, that's, I mean, most of the people know me by this name. So it's similar with my name in Romanian, so don't make any difference. Well, one more time now, give it to me in Romanian. OK, in Romanian, you'll pronounce it Gheorghe. Gheorghe. Yes, spot on, Chris. Gheorghe, OK. Gheorghe. I'm not going to try and do that because I would trip myself up. Well, we keep it simple, simple things, most of the time work. Yes, yes, I won't tell you what people call me, George. Well, especially my girlfriend. Well, that will be and not good. So. I'm I'm all all ears, as they say. I'm fascinating to learn more. All I really know about Krav Magar. I don't even know if I pronounce it right. Is is that it was the Israeli special forces. Technique of fighting. I will say I've trained with the Israeli special forces in Israel. That's another another story again. So. George, let's go back to the beginning, but maybe you're you're in the military. Yes, I've done my national service when I was 18 for one year. Actually, when I've been on my national service. The Chaukescu regime was in 1989. I've been for four years on the service. It was a, let's see, a good and bad experience. And then I moved on. So I came back and work as a contractor for the army. I've been a sergeant in charge with a person. I mean, with physical training, shooting and hand to hand combat. Don't know a lot of military martial arts competitions because also I've been. I mean, we were not allowed at that point to do any competitions for CV on a civilian sector. So we just stick with the army. I left army in 2020. Then I moved away from home. I've been to Portugal. I've been doing some security jobs there and then I moved to UK. I started to work for Piano Ferris and then I opened this academy that it's doing well and it's quite well known. Yes, I mean, George, I'm going to point out for our friends at home. George is one of the most respected Krav Maga instructors in the world. You can generally tell from somebody's humble outwardness that there's a lot going on inside. And in here, let's say that's the vibe I'm picking up, George. Yeah, you are right. I mean, our motto on this academy is our student safety. It's kind of our responsibility because if we teach them well, and we have a lot of groups coming back from some students that have been using the knowledge, it's not necessary the fighting skills because when we talk about self-defense, it's more about awareness, it's more about running away, body language, understand the situation. And only if you have to defend yourself, that's when the fighting skills are coming. I'll say maybe 5%, but at any cost, just avoid the physical contact because people get injured. You might know how he's starting, we don't know how that ends. Can you tell that to my son, please? So, Chris, son, make sure that you don't engage. How old is your son? He's 6 and his favourite pastime is, can we say, abusing his daddy? Well, that's like a game. Actually, when I was your son age, my father used to teach me how to defend myself, like how to fight. He was a wrestler a few times, a Romanian champion. So, once I think I was 5, I came home with a split lip and my father asked me, what's that? Well, somebody passed me on the face. So, you want to cry? No. So, don't come and cry. You have to learn how to defend yourself. So, he started to teach me how to punch, how to throw, how to do this. And then, that's how I started to kind of look after myself. It was nothing like running under the mother's skirt. Somebody beat me up. Did I sort it out? Yeah. So, fighting is that's how you learn. Look, animals, they fight when they are fobs or they, it's a play. So, that's how you get better. So, your son is doing a good job and I'm sure you will teach him very well. Yes, we put him into Taekwondo. Okay. He's been doing that about one year now and gradually getting better. But the instructor, the instructor is a former commando as well. And he just looked at my son and went, your daddy knows how to fight. It's not really strictly true, but I know the basics obviously from the military. And just having an interest, I did judo when I was about 14, 15. I did judo for one year and wow. Just one year, which is just so small, meant the skills I learned were well. I mean, talking about the time. Yeah. Talking about the time. If you pay attention in what you, what you're learning, I mean, if you are in 100% and you're there to, I mean, if you have a good drive or a very, very high motivation, you can learn in one year that other people cannot learn in their life. That's very simple. I saw so many, so many cases. And I mean, you, you also saw this on army. Some people are very focused, very dedicated. And they go far. Other people who are, it's okay like that. No, you have to, all the time pushing yourself, like being thirsty or hungry to learn more and more and more. Yes. It was just amazing that they used to teach you the moves. I can't remember the names, but it's moves, name things like Uchimata and this kind of thing. And whenever anyone tried to bully me at school, I used to let it go once and then I'd let it go twice. And then maybe the third time just bang. And before the person even realized what happened, you can just put them on their ass, you know, and then of course they, they, they don't try and bully you again. And that was the main, I don't know if it's one of the main reasons, but it was certainly a reason I wanted my son to start in the martial arts when he's young. Because I think if, if you become that person that gets bullied at school for whatever reason, it, it can really affect you as an adult. It can really affect your confidence. And I just wanted my son to know that, you know, just enough not, not to be angry or aggressive, but to be able to look after himself. It's also good for them at this age because they develop motor skills, awareness, I'm kind of still eight years, that's more or less what they develop and discipline. You increase the focus span because at this age, they might be focused for two, three minutes, but I'm talking about depends on the class structure. You put them to, for example, do a kick. And you'll see two, three minutes, they go a little bit kind of out of that span, make them to do something else. So you switch focus from one, one particular task to a different task. But actually without them knowing you increase their, their focus. So you give them something that they are interested in. So that's kind of how we, we run our kids classes. And now we can do on our little ones, even 10 minutes, 15 minutes sometimes, like a combinations and flows. So they still focus because what you do, you just want to increase that, which is good. Also when they go to school, because they can stay more focused on, on the lesson. Yes. It's not affecting just their like a sport life side. It's also the social life side. Yes. Life skills. Yes. George, I'm fascinated to hear. Well, lots of things really. I'd like to know more about Romania. I had friends used to go backpacking there every summer. They loved it. And they would meet incredible, incredibly interesting people that own car, castles up in the mountains and stuff. And they'd get looked after and it was quite incredible. But I also want to ask you about your, your military experience, because we don't have national service here as, as I'm sure you know, lots of, lots of people think we should. I agree. Yeah. And of course, there's always, you know, different arguments. For example, one of the best, one of the funniest things I heard was a, a guy called Dave Radband, who was in the parachute regiment. He's a friend of mine. And Dave said, the problem of military services, half the people you, you don't want them to come and fight with you. If they've been forced to join up, to join. But Romania, I learned fairly recently, it's one of the few, is it, five countries in the world that speaks a Latin language. Yes. Now, I mean, it's Romania, it's Italy. English language have some trace of Latin, French, Portuguese, Spanish. Obviously, when you talk about the Spanish language, which is, it's broadening out to South America, perhaps a bit of a Cuban. So, because I used to, live in Portugal and work there. So I speak also Portuguese. I mean, I can still understand a lot. I stopped speaking since 2006. But, it's very interesting how when you speak, for example, Portuguese, you understand a lot of Spanish is very, very similar. So, yeah, it's a Latin language. And when you think of the name, Romania, Roman, Romania, then you understand the connection to, to Italy and, yeah, it's a lot of stories about our, like, I'll say, ancestors, we call, Decians. They've been, bloods related with Romans. I'm talking about Julius Caesar, and that, that times. And, you know how is the history? History is the way how somebody will write it down. So, somebody will have one story, somebody will have a different story. And, it depends on who is writing and what's serving for. So, but, yes, it's a Latin language. And actually, we used to learn when I was, I mean, my time, we used to learn Latin in the school. As a part of the, I'll say, subjects. When I was on, 13, 14, we used to learn Latin. It's a very, very, very difficult language. It's more difficult than Italian or Romanian, have so many, so many things. It's hard language. Yes, lots of verbs and prepositions and, and deaths. We did, dramatically, it's just not met. Yeah, we learned Latin at school. I don't know why, because you, one year is not long enough to learn any language, especially if you're not living in, in, in, in the place, I mean. Most, most of the time you learn Latin, because it's related with religion, with church. They read all that books in Latin. So, I think that's the, the reason. And, when, it, in the UK, or maybe it's just myself, but when I think of Romania, we obviously think of the orphanages. Um, it, what, why is there, why is this phenomenon? Well, when you think about Romania, some people think about, also about the gypsies. So, it's easy to associate somebody with something bad. And I mean, like every country have their own, I'll say, bad areas, their own problems. I don't know why. I mean, it's, as I mentioned, it's easy to see the, the bad things in different countries than see what's happening in our own country. It's not, no one to be blamed. It's, I think how the society been molded in and what the stream media is presenting the things. That makes sense. Yes. I should say sorry, George. No, no, no, no. No, no, Chris, it's fine. I know it's, it is what it is. So, it's a good question. I just wondered if it was some cultural thing. Like I've lived in China and Hong Kong. And over there, in fantasy side, I think they call it killing children. That was quite normal. And probably still is in, in a large part of, of China. And I, I didn't know if maybe it was some, you know, something to do with being married and having children or, or. The family is the, the sale of a society in Romania. And the family kind of very well, connected as a, as a lineage and everything. But we have also an edges. And I think it's because the government don't pay too much attention. And obviously in different countries, they rise money and help with needs. So perhaps some charities in England, they rise money, clothes, all sorts of to send to Romanian orphanages. And that's going on a social media or on a media. And okay, that's what we do. So that's, you know, associated with that subject. It's okay. Everyone needs help. There's nothing wrong to help people. Yeah. We have huge, huge issues in this country. It's just that they're, they're very, very cleverly dressed up to not look like problems. But well, if you, if you want to diverse the attention from the local problem or our own problem, show a different problem, show other countries problems. Because people are going to watch it. That makes sense. You, I mean, you put it very well on a few of your podcasts, like about the media and what the media, it's, it's washing. So it's a good washing machine. Yes. I'm glad you say it. Yeah. Well, you have to be half blind to don't see it. And some people decide to don't see it because it's not on there in England. Decide to don't see it because it's not on their interest or they have a good life and it's not affecting their life now. But as soon as it's going to affect their families in life, they'll, okay, that's not good. So till you, till you don't get it. Yeah. Yes. Let, let's not talk about the, you know, you know, let's just not because, but it's really caused quite an issue doing podcasts with people because like you say, we could say some people don't get it. I would say probably 99% of people don't get it. I'm fortunate to speak to more kind of enlightened people who understand what's going on, but it's so hard to have a chat with someone when they're coming out with stuff and putting your child into slavery for the rest of their life. And when they're saying things like, oh, well it's just so we can go on holiday or, oh, it's just that, you know, life will be back to, it's like, oh my God, do you only ever think about yourself? Do you not think about the children, what you're doing? Oh, but it's not mandatory. Yes, it is mandatory. Try and get on an aeroplane, you know? If you're, say, a travelling salesman, you have to travel to different countries or this kind of thing or an estuary or this, you're going to have huge pressure on you to conform. To conform. That's all I'm saying, but I'm not going to say any more. It is not mandatory, but there are some small roads that all go on the same place. So whatever way you travel, you'll be channeled toward that gate. Let's put it in this way. Yes, massively. And I'm glad you see it. And it's all leading to the same, excuse me, it's all leading to the same place. And George, it's become, sorry, I know we're going slightly sideways, but this is so important people understand. Every time you go, oh yeah, but I only did it because of this or then it's just, you're either for this agenda and the enslavement of mankind or you're against it. There isn't like, there isn't, oh, I only did it. No, it's, and when I look my son in the eye, he has to know I did my best for him. Everything that I could. So that's, yes. So we were talking about flagging up problems and issues to hide other issues, weren't we? So what is the gypsy connection? When I was young, we were fascinated by gypsies because mainly it was in a folklore, so stories that you heard when you were children and you heard about these gypsy caravans pulled by a horse and this almost wild-like people that would eat rabbits and hedgehogs and catch fish from the rivers and this kind of fascinating stuff. And then of course, as time has gone on, we get more what they call travelers, so proper caravans, cars, quite a lot of money, some of them. So yes, why is this such a strong connection with Romania, Romani, Romania? Some Romanian travelers are coming to UK and they don't behave, so that's why we are associated sometimes with the travelers. I'm in trouble all over the world. I don't think a specific ethnic group should represent a country, that makes sense. But again, it's something good to point out to look somewhere else. Yeah, I didn't mean it negatively. I mean, I'm fascinated about the culture of the gypsies. Where did they come from? Who are they? Well, we have a theory in Romania. They come from India, that part of the country. That's what's been told. And it's a story that actually Chaucescu he tried to send all the Romanian gypsies to India. I don't know why, but that was kind of a true story. Yes, now you mention it. I'm remembering the connection to India. It's fascinating when you look at history like this and you see the peoples of the world and where they've all come from. They have their own language. So, for example, gypsies, mostly in Europe, they understand each other. They have their own language. I'm not sure we're here in the UK, but definitely, for example, I spoke with some of my students. For example, Bulgarian gypsies, they understand perfectly the Romanian gypsies. They have their own culture, they have their own customs. They're like an ethnic group. Obviously, they are different than other groups. That's what we call it, diversity. Yes. Romanian men, I've only met one woman that I know. Funny enough, I met her in the sauna at the gym. I said to her, where are you from? And she said, guess. I said, give me a clue. We're one of the countries in the world that speaks a Latin language. But you guys seem quite well-balanced, quite knowledgeable, quite calm. Is this normal? It used to be normal, because I'll say the education, until a certain point, it was very strong. I used to go to school Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday. And we used to learn about, for example, geography. We used to learn about all the countries in the world, the capital, the big cities, the industry, the population. Quite a lot of knowledge. And we used to learn about the history about almost every single country. So you see the difference on education now. It's not the same education. So I'll say my generation, and perhaps another two generations after me, we had a different education, more broad. We didn't used to have credit cards and I'll say a chance to borrow money with interest. So if I have 10 pounds for this month, I have to make sure it's all put to a good use and I don't need to borrow. So it will be more responsible on certain things. And also I think the national service is important, especially for male because you get discipline. You get like an army. You wake up six o'clock or five o'clock on a normal time and you go to bed 10 o'clock. That's it. After 10 o'clock, just head under the pillow and no one talk. And you have a routine. So that's making you to be more disciplined, have a goal. Look to improve yourself. So I think this is part of the important part for a young male. Now we don't have a national service anymore in Romania. So that's why I started watering out. Because you mentioned also some people thinking the UK should be mandatory. If you look at the other countries, Israel, I think Switzerland, everyone is going and doing their national service and go after three months or refresh and stuff like that. I think it's good for everyone. This is my opinion. It's just an opinion. It's not a suggestion. So, yeah. Yes. And possibly have not a form of national service for people who maybe don't want to go and learn to kill. Maybe, I don't know, you work for the council or something. Well, you can go in the army. I mean, you learn to shoot. That doesn't mean you are going to kill somebody. But perhaps you'll use it to save your life. Because in the army, you can be like on all sorts of, you can be a driver. You can have any other jobs. Not necessarily have to be on the front line and go and do all sorts of activities. That makes sense. But the first three months, when you've got discipline, how to walk, how to march, how to, I don't know, crawl, all sorts, I think that's important. Because it's a physical education. It's a mental education. A lot of people kind of, when I was to train them, I'm not going there. Yes, you go because I'm going first. So if I crawl to that mood, lead by example, you crawl with me. So if you cannot carry your weapon, I'll do it. So, oh, the surgeon is helping me. I have to do it. So you motivate them. It's your job. So if you have a good instructor, you can motivate people. And we as a human, we can do so much things if you are strong here. So it doesn't matter how big you are. Mentally have to be strong. I think what would be good. And I get, I have this conversation a lot because a lot of people write to me and say, Chris, I nearly joined the Marines or I wish I was. And I say, dude, you live your life. Don't just be happy. The past is the past. Don't, you shouldn't live your whole life thinking, I wish I'd done this. It's just, it's unhealthy. But having said that, it would be good to have some sort of academy. I'm thinking young men, but it doesn't have to be limited to men, but where young guys could go and they could be tested and they could learn the skills and they could learn how to look after one another and all the sort of good qualities that I think, what I would call warrior qualities. And by warrior, I don't mean fighting. Of course, if you do that under national service, then you have to work for you know who, don't you? For the people that don't really care very much about you. Yeah. The national service used to be one year, but again, after the national service, you went back on a civilian life. But you have some discipline. You have some, you gain strong skills in most of us. You know, I mean, not 100% of people. Well, I think that will be good for society. Because you know, when you are a bunch of guys there, all the time you eat together, you go together, do things together, you learn how to live with other people who have a different opinion, different needs. So it would make you be more flexible, more to see the things from, not just from your point of view, from different point of view, but also good for society. I mean, so you learn not to be selfish because if you see your friends' struggle, you're helping. I think that will be kind of a good benefit to society. Yes. Yes. I want to ask you, George, I mean, you spent a few years in the army. So when you did your national service, did you just decide to stay in the army? Is that how it worked? Well, I had a one-year gap between when I finished, when I, I mean, offered my services, paid soldiers. I've done a different job between, I just wanted to kind of get a bit more experience on different stuff. And then I said, okay, this is what I want to do. So I went to the next unit, which was about maybe 15 minutes on a walking distance from where I used to live. And I've done my test. So I passed it. So I've become to be like, we call it a pay soldier. Did you see any action as a soldier? We've done a lot of exercises. I mean, NATO is still using some of the, I'll say the big pills there in Romania. Never been on a real life. I tried to go when the cost of a start, but my boss didn't let me to go. So I was a bit kind of upset about that. So that kind of went with me for good years, which lead to me leaving the army because then I've never been allowed to go on any kind of stop. Perhaps it's a good thing because we are talking now. We don't know what's happened there. The reason they said you cannot go because we need to hear to instruct people. It wasn't my call on that decision. Well, I'm still, I mean, a very good relationship with every one of my ex-commanders, which we'll talk from time to time when I'm going home. I'm going to see them. So still there. Good. And George, you've done several years in close protection. Yes, I've done it when I was in army. So, you know, when generals come across, they need to look after them, especially when they go and drink and eat. So you have to look after them. I've done a lot of in Portugal. I've done a few jobs in UK, but I mean close protection, most of the UK close protection is more like an armed security officer. So you still have to relay on your hand-to-hand combat. And obviously you have to look after somebody, which is not, it's okay. I'll not do it again. It's not healthy. Let's put it in this way. It's a lot of stress and some clients treat you like they own you. And I don't like that. I was chatting to a bodyguard, Den Champ on our live show on Friday, I think it was. And he said it's, I think he was being generous. He said it's one hour action in the day and then it's seven hours shopping or babysitting or... Yeah. So, yes, it's a little bit... Sorry. You end up spending your life doing that kind of shift work and it's quite, you're just doing it to earn the money. I think you have to make a decision then. We had a client somewhere here in UK. I'm not saying place and everything. Very, very wealthy. He had some problems. He called, okay, can you arrange this? Yes. So I went down there to see what's all about. I assessed the situation, cameras, because it was a bother where he'd been working. Went to see the home, see if we can create a panic room, what can be done, everything all that, you know, like by the book. So I'm not taking the job because this is what I can suggest somebody. So we put a guy there, very knowledgeable. Everything was okay for about two, three days. I got a phone call from a guy. George, if something is going on here, what's going on? Well, he don't want to listen to me. He just say, well, I'm paying you. You stay here to do what I'm telling you. So I got the phone. What are you doing, man? She's supposed to look after you. Yeah, but I'm paying him. Well, you're paying him to look after you. Whatever way you go, he's going. You have to listen to him. Yeah. Didn't last long. So we pull out. Our name is not there. You do whatever you want. No problem. Did you have any dangerous moments? Well, I used to work a lot on doors, especially in Portugal. And if you see the dangerous moments before happen, you can avoid them. I used to do doors on my own, like a ground floor and level one or that club. Always stay on the middle of the stairs. So see up and down. What a good morning. But when I saw somebody trying to be property, trying to annoying people, just take him out, don't let him to escalate. You have to stay on the ball. Funny one. I mean, I used to like to fight for reasons, for no reasons as a young male. Not anymore because it's dangerous. So I had a very interesting story where the awareness pay every single penny. I've been on a half horse buying some windscreen wipers. I didn't find the right ones. I called the guy who worked there. In the meantime, a group of five guys very loudly came in. They split in two. And while we've been looking for the stuff that I needed, two guys passed behind me. So I used to have like a small bug across my body. So when he passed, is it instinct? I just bring it to the front. That's such a tension. So the guy passed, stopped in the end of the aisle and looked at me. I didn't look at him, but I saw him. So at that point, I was very, very aware. They left. So they all joined together, got out and start to work very slow, but I still, I was still watching them. So I went to the till and I was thinking, okay, I can do this. Oh, I mean to change the wipers or I can pay three pounds. I think about three pounds, feet or something. The guy can change the wipers. Okay, I'll pay for it. As soon as we get out of the half-words, they start to kind of turn around and I saw it. So I took my car key. So one of them now start to come back towards my car. The guy even didn't notice he'd been busy with the wipers. So I unlocked the car, opened the door, get my bag, throw it on the car, close the door, lock the door, put the keys on the pocket. Now I was watching him and I took a pen and I look at the pen, I look at him, put it on my pocket and I was looking at him. You know what happened? That was a message. I'm aware. I'm here. That's it. They all joined together, jump in the car, off you go. So again, self-defense about be aware. That's very simple, isn't it? Yeah. A dangerous problem, dangerous situations. I mean, if you don't know, you are interviewed by a very dangerous person. You'll treat that person as equal because if you know that guy, it's a criminal and kill somebody. You'll believe like, hmm, I know this guy. This guy is dangerous. You'll perhaps, a lot of people will be very, very intimidated. So I used to live on a neighborhood with a lot of gypsies and some of them, like a clan's families, very well known for violence, being in the jail, beating police officers up, all sorts of. And there was a family, 13 brothers, all boys, all in the prison. So I knew most of them. With some of them, I used to talk. One of the brothers came out and I didn't know. So I was going to my training. There was a block of apartments, one of the gypsies came out and asked me for a seat. I said, I'm not smoking. Himesiga said, well, I said, I don't smoke. So the guy was, well, do you know who I am? I said, no. Do you know who I am? No. He said, do you want to know? And the guy started to laugh. He said, listen to this one. So now more friends coming out from the, something is going on there. So I have to hit first because that's my only chance. And then run like a hussain boat. So the guys came very aggressive. And these guys said, no, no, no, I'm talking with him. So I said, okay, you have some dignity there and we'll do it one to one, like all the old times. And he said, you really don't know who I am. I said, no. So he said, I'm Balink. I said, I'm George. The name rings straight away. So the guy said, I like you. I like you. And from now on, if anyone has a problem with you, tell them that you're my friend. I said, well, so have you as a friend and I have your brother as a friend. Ask you're my brother. Yes. And I have that one as a friend. So I'm one of the luckiest guys. Yes, you are. So we check hands. That's it. So I think when you don't know what you go in but you go with attitude can sort some issues out there. That was very, very, very dangerous because we'd end up on very, very ugly. The most dangerous one it was when I stand up for my brother. So again, with the gypsies, one of the guys been eating his pack lunch all the time my brother coming home and just crying and this guy pushing me and bullying me and okay, no worries. So I was kind of watching him. So when he came home, just went out of my house and beat him up very, very bad. So I punch him on the face, punch fist, catch him on the front teeth at the start here. I've been pissed by one of his teeth. And I was celebrating for maybe four minutes. Chris, you know, when you hear like a riot, a lot of voices and more and more and more intense. So he came with a family with cousins with, I don't know who the heck it was. I think around 30 people to our door. We used to have an apartment to the ground floor. And I was so scared. I was about 13 at that point. I was scared, honest to God. My mom was in a kitchen cooking. So the guys been banging on the door and mold us all. So my mom opened the door. She was with a kitchen knife on hand. You know, we'll go and kill him. If you want to kill him, you kill me first. But I'll kill one of you guys. So much kind of a standoff there. Now opposite our apartment, I live in one of the famous Jiffy's family in the neighborhood. So the guy came out and start to speak on their language and they all left. So we've been kind of very good relationship with them. So that was kind of one of the scariest things because they've been trying not to force you to get in an apartment. It was scary. Wow. But again, my mom saved my ass at that point. So put it in that way. Yes. There's a certain limit where things just become quite frightening. And I relate this with ladies who say, I can't hurt anybody. I cannot kill things. Everyone can kill. We are animals. You just need the right reason and you'll do it. And especially as a parent, that's a very strong reason when your offspring is there in danger. I might prove it because she was a very peaceful lady. Never want to hurt somebody or speak bad about somebody. And that's in the back of my head when I'm reading books and go to conferences, people say, no, I can't do this. Yes, you can. With a little bit of training, yes, you can. Yes. George, I wanted to just go back and ask you about Chow Chesco. He was executed, wasn't he? Yep. And a lot of, I said, people being very happy about that. But that was, for me, was not the right thing to do. They kill him because they knew it. If they don't get rid of him, everything while they've been caught, it will be reversed. That's my full opinion. Oh, you think by getting rid of him, it would make the situation worse? So let's put it this way. In 1989, Romania had zero debt, everything, nothing to pay. They had a lot of, I mean, Romania still have a lot of money to collect from Iran, Iraq, that countries. I think it was a plot, most of the people know, and people who've been after him in charge sold our country. So it's another country it's owned by other people. That's my opinion. There's nothing to do with the politics. I can expect my opinion. So he's done a lot of good for people. For example, you got married. You got a chance to get a house. No one was being allowed to stay on the streets without the work. Didn't have a job. They will find you on. And we couldn't travel abroad. It's not a big deal. We couldn't have certain things. It's not a big deal. Other countries been, you know, starving whenever. So, and as I mentioned, he looked after the people. But that's my point of view. So other people think it was a dictator. Did when under his rule, did you have the central bank system? It was the Bank of Romania. Yeah. But was that tied into the Rothschilds and the not to that point? No, no, not to that point. And you could get money from the bank with zero interest to get your house if you wanted. Or even, for example, some people got a house and they used to pay like a monthly to their house without getting any things from the bank. Just get the keys and a contract. That was a very good system. Well, it's a great system, George. And it's the way it should be. And it's if you don't understand the money system, folks, very important to understand the money system. When you understand the money system, then you understand what's going on in in the wider world. But it's lending money at interest is is referred to in Biblical terms. So in the scriptures as and it's it was forbidden throughout most well, many, many, many lands, if not, if not all at one point, because people could see if you started to let people control the money system and charge interest. Then they have carte blanche to just enslave everybody. And that's you know, we're starting to this is what we're seeing now. This is the bigger picture of what is going on. And again, it ties in with people going, I've got to travel because I do this. It's yes, because this system of control is it's so strong. Well, you have a money and a power. That's all about money. Money buys almost everything. These days. Let's get on to the martial arts and George because I'm sure a lot of people are watching this dying dying to hear. Did did you do crab McGar in the military? No, actually, I start from a guy in 2002 in a military. We are used to train them based on karate and principle principles. And for the military was more about how to use your rifle and your I don't know how you call it in English, the small to dig your own Is it the either a bayonet that's the No, no, no, no, no. It's an entrenching tool to dig the trench. Yes, to do the trench. So we have the foldable one. So how to use it because so at that point you have like a serrated one of the sides for that tranche tool and very, very sharp so you can use it as a I mean fighting tool and so that's we've been teaching based on that combat how to defend against the knife but nothing at the scale of so it was based on you attack me this way and I'll block this way party's dynamic you don't expect so the most of the problems for the mashers word you have solution everything that is going on so if you have one thousand problems you have one thousand solution so if it's one thousand one problem arrive you need to find a solution which what they don't they simplified you have something for more situation these days come a guy it's a little bit a competitive with other styles so is a Kramaga have a spinning kick and because they want to be kind of level up that makes sense if Brazilian Jiu Jitsu come with something new Kramaga will come and implement it even if it's against the principles they still have it there because they want to be the best and now if we go back on I would say simplicity and what we can do under the real life stress not too many things because fine motor skills are going when it's one hundred and ten bits per minute mix motor skills one hundred and forty five gross motor skills like running throwing stones that is more deployable under the stress now when you do all sort of a complicated moves will know so in two thousand I came across with Kramaga in Portugal I used to work at that gym and teaching full contact and other kind of bombast skills there and the police maritime police it was a guy who I mean like you have like a terrestrial police on the sea so that guy was like a sea police officer came and asked me do you want to try this so yeah why not so after my class I went to try his stuff I said why I didn't know that for long long time ago I started training and in two thousand seven I went to do my instructor course and since two thousand seven I'm teaching Kramaga I've been to Israel I've been to all I mean I've been my instructor course first part was in Poland second part it was in Sweden ah no first part Sweden second part Poland third part Sweden I've done with what my instructor course was the Kramaga industry called one of the best with Eyalian Ilov on which is team then when I finished I've been with IKMF then IKMF split in two so we are KMG standing for Kramaga Global and IKMF International Kramaga Federation and then I left them because too much not nice things happen between stop there I left I joined to Kramaga core there was no chance there I left them and then in 2015 I met up it is a legend you should have him on a podcast I can put you in contact with him he's a fourth Dan black belt is that correct no he's a grandmaster in Kramaga she's ex Yaman special forces captain on I mean she left captain he's still activate now I mean he's a consulting Yaman and special forces in Israel country he's a israel yes what was his name I'm just going to have a quick look because I'm if I give perhaps if you if you watch the Hell Week on BBC ah darling the bell I see I'm just going to yes I see your picture with him yes so in 2015 I took all our instructors there for bespoke training six days we've been doing a CQB we've been doing force in force drills with simulation or I want to call it hardcore he used to say guys we train here no Vaseline we just go for it so it was a very good training and since then I've been working very closely with him and even now we still working with him I'm going actually if everything it's okay I'm going to see him and train with him end of August this year in November he will have a seminar for my academy here in UK the very humble guy he will tell you straight away I don't know if it's working or not you try it my work might not it depends on each individual so it will be simple no fancy things because that will take you out of the problem that's kind of my journey as I mentioned I'm sticking with with simplicity and straight forward because when they invented the Kramagas they made it available for civilians to be able to defend themselves now talking about in 1940 something when Emi invented this or put all these styles together create one it been designed for civilians to be able to defend themselves they've been in the streets of Czech Republic so since then more things come in and make it a little bit more complex more more let's put it in this way and it's a lot of my Kramagas better than yours and yours is worth the mine it's irrelevant you can be a very I'll say good fighter you might die much faster than me it depends on from where you get hit who hit you are you aware about that depends who you face it's no one is better than anyone it's sometimes also the luck player a big part on on our lives you need to be on the right place the right time and have some luck yes this is the way isn't it commit I think commitment is the big word is it not you have to I mean you have to commit everything whatever what you do if you don't commit you don't get a good results that makes sense I would say when somebody take on anything I mean I have some some weird questions somebody ask me is this better than Kramaga I said I can't tell you if this is better than Kramaga if you come and tell me and you truly believe Zumba is the best defense in the world who am I to tell you it's not because you believe on that I don't want to waste my time to tell you Zumba it's a dance and it's for fun and it's for your mental health and well-being I don't want to waste my time if you believe Zumba it's the best one probably the best one so I'm not on to arguing this is better than this is a better than that it's what you believe and what you are asking that's very simple I that I'm telling my students you come to this class we all here come we all want to learn to become a better better person we don't have nothing to prove we have lots to improve that's few things what I'm telling them I learn every day I learn from my students I learn from every person that I can learn because it's important we're still learning and my father used to tell me doesn't matter how much you learn we still die stupid because you didn't learn everything but you could learn I love that I've just written it down nothing to prove lots to improve that is a great mantra for life it has to be that way yes do you know Eitan no he was this Israeli special forces guy that I met in Israel and he took me and some guys shooting for the day but I guess you had a lot of fun shooting Israeli style yes it was quite tamed down a bit because it's a place called caliber 3 that anybody can go there you've been recently this was about 12 months ago yes because now you cannot shoot 9 millimeters it's a small caliber they changed the load awful it is what it is you know it's not because they've been under the world lies that terrorists go there and learn how to shoot and they use it to kill people and stuff like that well you can learn how to shoot in Poland you can shoot AK and all sorts of and I mean you can go to Czech Republic and shoot whatever you want just money you need but it is what it is so this side now we don't need any of those now you all go and shoot whatever you want yeah I guess friends listening it's they've come down from the regular millimeter so 5.56 or 9mm what's called a 2.2 conversion it's a kit you can put inside the breach of your rifle and it converts it down to 2.2 and if you get hit by 2.2 it's not going to be nice but it's very unlikely it's going to kill you and I suppose the thing with this shooting range in Israel is technically someone could breach it and then just turn around and shoot all the instructors I'm guessing but let's get back to Krab Magar why why did it become so popular I'm guessing it's worldwide but obviously in the UK worldwide is very very popular you'll be surprised that not I mean in Israel it's more popular MMA and like competition Krab Magar they do it in the military but a lot of civilians train more this type of Krab Magar now it's popular because it's straightforward it's brutal it don't take any prisoners there and it's doing the job but again it depends on who is teaching and what is teaching for a good Krab Magar should have a good set of principles and you have to develop everything around the principles instead of around I'll say problems so you should have one technique for seven, eight problems not three solutions for seven problems that makes sense the simple will be more chances for you to do something about your heart because you have to think only in one thing you have to do this that makes sense so I'll take for example a knife attack we split it in two 180 degrees above and 180 degrees below so you have two techniques the angle doesn't really matter the difference between stab is blade is close to you slash blade is far away from you it's still circular very narrow angle should I be bothered too much about it's a knife coming towards you so we don't call it survive we don't call it defending a knife you don't defend a knife you survive a knife attack I will be lucky if we can see the weapon on a play if you don't see it you don't feel the pain you'll just kind of after if you get two three stabs and the guy is running and you don't check yourself and you bleed then you're so tired and let's put it in this way you call the ambulance and tell them that you've been stabbed they'll not turn up the police come first and the ambulance is coming after and the response of ambulance UK maybe six minutes you know that if you get some stabs you drive very fast so still defense have to go hand in hand with first aid promo like a military star put a clinic aid you should know your stuff if you want to survive very simple now again it's popular because can be implemented to military units to police units what and everything I mean when that is relevant to military or law enforcement as soon as somebody is jumping and grabbing your weapon weapon retention use the weapon as a I mean as a cold weapon that makes sense you don't manage to deploy your handgun the guys with a knife on two meters what you do you still have to deploy your hand-to-hand skills to create some space and time to deploy and move again principles like with the civilians move out of the line create distance if you didn't manage to put from the hip that makes sense then use it move perhaps depends on what horse you have the rules of engagement some people some countries are allowed to have one bullet on a chamber some countries don't and when your life is in danger you will be like all over the place so same would like I guess you've done some force-in-force drills when when you get hit while you get into the room it's not very happy it's changing the way how you enter the room the way how you slice it and apply more careful tactics then just go there because somebody is shooting some blanks it's a different story so can we go through I'm interested to explore the um can I call it like the minimal amount of systems to deal with the maximum amount of threat yeah no problem so what about if I yeah I was just going to say so like we're in a pub I've had too much to drink I think you've upset me and I I just throw the typical the typical punch what is there one technique to deal with that or is there more than one it's very simple the way how you show it to me you want to punch me on a face like a straight punch correct now if you have it's fine if you have a bit with me I'll put my hands up now would you punch me on a face not now no no exactly so I know you know part of the face because here it's a shield so you have to go circular which take a little more time and it's more visible so do I pause the intention to fight you do I pause do I look aggressive to you no submissive okay so now the Lloyd's on my side if I'm going if you start to raise a voice and I'm going okay what you do now it's a call to fight I don't stand too much I don't have too much chances in the front of low I've been provoking I'm not provoking and I'm telling you straight away if you want to punch me you have to come with a haymaker which is now it's your choice so if you come with a haymaker I'm just bursting in we talked about like you acquire the target you shoot the bullet travel and make everything for you now that's your bullet you acquire the target you are going to hit the target by the time when you when you already set this up target is moving you'll miss it me moving forward but my hand is after the shield so having two similar motions same biomechanics is giving more chance to focus 100% on both of them which is the same motion for example blocking and punching I have two tasks to focus on now one will get more attention than other one you cannot do two different things for the same for the same focus I'll say efficiency that makes sense you can do more than one thing but one will get more priority so if you are going to defend yourself while with the priority there making a good block perhaps so that's why it will not be as good as the block now moving from here forward straight away both hands same attack two attacks one will land here draw line and one will stop the attack so you don't defend your strike against the strike it's very simple doesn't matter if it's an ice if it's a haymaker you are the same because I don't know at that point your hand will be lower, I couldn't see it while you've been chatting, I couldn't move away because too many people around me we're talking about in a pub yes so we could talk about close quarters so I have to put my hands up because with the hands down if you want to pet with me feel my hands come up I'll get it because I'll be reactive action beat reaction straight forward by the physical straight away okay what about if we stood facing off and I try to kick you in the nuts it's how you present yourself so if I shift my body to the side there is no guard for you to kick only I need to turn little bit one hip in and there's no guard there it's your I'll say body posture the way how you present yourself now if I have a chance to keep distance will be at least two steps between me and you if it's confined area I will all the time turn to the side hands on the front but never static never speak with somebody while you still never because we don't have a rear camera we don't see what's happened here I want to be in a motion if we go on a shooting range and somebody you have a target in a motion it's hard to hit a target I'm his target I have to move if I move left, right, right, left, left it's hard for him to follow that makes sense I have to strike and I move it's rewriting his command straight away have to do something else so even if I don't punch or kick if I move constantly what I'm doing I'm becoming proactive I'm defending becoming proactive that's very simple and what position are you George what rank or belt do you hold so I'm master level one I've done, I mean I achieved this with Itagil it's endorsed also by the Ministry of Education of Main State in USA I'm the Chief Instructor of Sparta's Academy and also I represent Israeli security solutions in UK which is it's okay which is Itagil Company okay so what was the Israeli connection, sorry so I'm the representative of Israeli security solution in UK that's a security company it's Itagil Company he's dealing with all sorts of with Krav Maga so now now that we've had this chat this training session I can tell people for the rest of my life I've been trained by Krav Maga master no I'll tell you what if you have time or you have opportunity to come actually I'll do something, I'll launch and invite so on 6th of November I want to see your face to our seminar run by Itagil that sounds that's a very kind offer yes, why not so then you can say I've been trained by two masters, I'm a master and a grand master it's even better there we go I would teach you the double punch do you know the Royal Marines double punch nope there you go that's good that's coming from Karate I used to do that a long time ago punching from the a little bit above the belt I've done Shotokan I've done Wadriu I've done Taekwondo Kyokushin I've done kind of a lot of the double punch you can take out 6th Taliban one line and three another line that makes sense perfect George it's been a wonderful chat thank you so much I thank you for inviting me Chris absolutely my pleasure but I want you to promote everything that you can now before we say goodbye which part of the country is your academy is it online or is it a dojo so we have classes in Sheffield Leeds Paraguay Durham Newcastle we also teach kids we also work with corporates we also work with charities we help them as much as we can we have online platform we have one school in Romania we work very closely with a few schools in Greece so that's kind of what we do we also have let's say an umbrella organization which is called Kama Guy where people can join and they can come and ask for help will help them will guide them if they need we are trying to help everyone I think that's at least what we can do I think you're doing a great job mate oh thank you very much you know you've got a good energy and it looks very professional and we're always very excited to help our students and you know what's my satisfaction from this class when a story from a student came back to us saying oh you know this helped me so much and so much I've done exactly what you say and worked or have so many people coming back to me and saying that thank you you saved my life and one of the guys is a Polish guy he work as a security industry told you saved my life no I wasn't the airman you saved your own life no no but I've done everything what you say exactly I give you the knowledge and I mean you have the fire all you want to have to be done just lighting the fire that's all it's all on you so you've been listening you've been training hard you're probably the knowledge so I'm proud of you you saved your own life I wasn't there now even if I'll be there I might not be able to save your life because still depends on you I might have the same problem I might be doing something different but that's the beauty of our teaching we don't force people to do exactly what I'm doing because we are different what we tell you this is and this and this now see what suits you based on your capabilities based on your disabilities because that's out of your awareness you should be aware of what you can do what you cannot don't try something stupid because it doesn't work that makes sense work it out and make it better so that's how we this is what we tell our students and how we encourage them to train this is why you're a master well it's just a name the knowledge is here a piece of paper or a belt won't fight for me they'll not go to teaching in my behalf it's just a title I'm happy with it's a recognition but I'm more happy that I can learn from everyone and improve day by day because life and society change what applied two years ago might not apply today and the society is going more violent so everyone needs to know how to look after themselves but they believe on can be useful do something very true George what we'll do is put all your links below the below this conversation so if anybody wants to come and get involved and I strongly suggest you do this just sounds like a great opportunity if you're in in these locations so George we'll put the links below if you can just stay on the zoom chat so I can thank you properly when I hit the record button off but massive thank you again thank you very much for having me and it was a very very good chat we can chat a bit after yes definitely yes thank you George and to our friends at home massive love to you all please look after yourselves if you can hit the like and subscribe button that's going to 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