 I'd Lovely way lovely way to start. Oh wait, wait, I muted it. I switched it off. Did did it not You know what I was hearing it from upstairs It's like I used good it was Roger going I'm gonna go hide Hey, you know what we asked folks and 90 4% of you love having the pre-show stuff here. So there you go 6% of you. I'm sorry. I just give a 6% apology. It's yeah You've been outvoted. So now that we're live. I'm gonna tweet it out. Yep How about that election, huh? Yeah It's awesome Just I was listening to Justin's politics politics politics earlier And he got me all fired up because like now that we know the nominees. I'm like, oh my gosh, this is going to be crazy And and so I wrote I'm so pumped for this election to Justin and people are like why why are you so excited about these candidates? I'm like, no, no, no, it's the entertainment aspect of it not especially because like What he was telling me last night was like like now that we know the candidates Like nobody is going to be in love with their own candidate Which means for that, you know for the rest of the year all the campaigning will just be about how the other side is so crappy Yeah, well again that there are core people. I'm sure there's people listening who are like no, no I love my candidate, but Unusually so I think there are just as many people who aren't for the candidate even more so than usual It's always that way of like wow, but I have devil you know, but this this year. It's it's intense People who play the game, right? We don't have any nice people in this one Well, so my question is will there be a record turnout or the record low? That's what I've been scratching. You know what folks if you want answers to these questions tune into politics politics politics Friday on diamond club TV Justin Robert young goes over exactly that. Are you gonna be able to be on that Brian? Are you gonna be around? Yeah, I probably will We're probably gonna be midway through recording and then Justin will say I gotta do the public politics podcast Oh, yeah, okay. No, because that's how I talk when I'm around him. Okay, bro. Okay, just Okay, Davey All right, let's get the show on the road then You guys ready wonder if that sneeze showed up like through the house on your microphone. Oh, that'll be interesting. I'll listen back There we go This is your captain speaking I'd like to take a moment to remind you that this show is brought to you by listeners like you who give value for value To show your support go to daily tech news show comm slash support We know you have a choice when it comes to getting your tech news and on behalf of the crew I thank you for choosing the Daily Tech News show This is the Daily Tech For Wednesday May 4th 2016 I'm Tom married joining me today as he does most Wednesdays mr. Scott Johnson of the frog pants studios head of frog pants studios President of frog pants studios mr. Scott Johnson all those titles and more I do just say this at the top of the show and then we can go into all the deep topics that are certainly laid before us to talk about Star Wars day, I don't think we need one now that we have a movie every year. That's all I have to say That's gonna be another Star Wars day in December Brian brushwood is joining us as well From scam stuff and scam school Hey, mr. Brian brushwood. Yes, sir about May the 4th. You know what? I think you're I think Scott's a hundred percent right I think it largely is was a nostalgia based celebration But you can't be nostalgic for something that's coming at you every year in a constant non-stop mouse based hype machine Yeah, I remember back in December I'm not even saying take it away all I'm saying is now We at least need to question why we have it and it's okay if it continues. That's fine I just want people to stop acting like it's a big deal and look at it and go all right Well now it's here all the time Is it the same as it used to be to have a holiday for a thing that used to take 10 to 20 years to happen any excuse to celebrate? That's what I say Me say excited Let's get to the headlines a 10-year-old Finnish security researcher You heard that right discovered a flaw in Instagram that allowed him to delete any comment from anything He disclosed the flaw to Facebook and received a $10,000 bug bounty plans to use the money to buy a new bike Football equipment and computers for his brothers. The fear is just next but you think dude I read those exact words and the words 10-year-old just made me assume He was in the business for 10 years not that he was actually younger than my daughter Tell her to get on it now that This guy is this this kid has got a bright future ahead of him for sure. Oh good look People familiar with the matter tell Bloomberg that Apple plans to redesign the Apple music interface to make it more intuitive I say here here. It's the one thing. I don't like about it I like what it offers and all I got looks and don't like out uses It also plans to integrate its streaming and downloading business and expand online radio The new look is overseen by content head Robert Crotic and Trent Resner, you know him He's got nine-inch nails and input from Johnny I've Johnny Levine and of course eddy-q 9 to 5 Mac are Mark German's sources say Even more in is telling about the service About the look of the service we black and white mostly big large Not full-screen, but kind of big album art and integrated lyrics, which is interesting All this will come to iOS 10 in the autumn I Guess this is big news because people are hoping to see new things from Apple see the Apple music Grab some more market share, especially if you're a stockholder for Apple but honestly, I Sure, I'm sure it'll look great It's a little janky right now is all I'm saying it'll it needs some improvement Yeah, it's not something I use every day, but these these leaked design ideas sound like like good stuff It's interesting to see things like Trent Resner and Jimmy Iveen right next to Robert Noturk and Johnny Ive And eddy-q like it's just it's an interesting world we live in. I'm happy to see Trent Resner all the places He wants to be seen. I think that guy is kind of a goldmine and he seems like gliding behind you right now Former nest technology head Google X lab co-founder and robotics expert Yoki Matsuoka has been hired by Apple Now she wasn't hired away directly from Google according to fortune Matsuoka is working for COO Jeff Williams who oversees Apple watch development and Probably more pertinently Apple's health initiatives including research kit health kit and care kit Matsuoka was scheduled to take a position at Twitter after leaving nest last year But passed on it after being diagnosed with a life-threatening illness which she has since been treated and recovered from Which makes me think that's probably why she's interested in the in the health kit stuff Yeah, well, it seems like she's the perfect pick not just because of her otherwise awesome career and credentials But having a personal experience and that must help inform how passionate you are about that. I think that's great Don't forget this this woman got her doctorate in robotics. She is a robotics expert. So I'm just thinking to help robots. I don't know Like Luke had when he fixed his hand and stuff that'd be great I'm all in Google just updated Google slides of the Q&A feature for real-time feedback in the option to present from an iOS device To a hangout Chromecast or by Airplay so any of those options are there Android has had the ability Since August 2015 that's been happening on Android phones and devices There's also a laser pointer feature for slides on the web The new version of slides is rolling out worldwide on Android iOS and don't forget the web You know the web I Used I used Google slides one time at Google when I was working and seen it they brought me in to give a presentation about hardware trends and They I gave I gave them a Google slides presentation and they're like do you have it in PowerPoint? So I'm just saying that was a long time ago. That was like 2008 They've come a long way This sounds pretty cool the ability to take Q&A while you have your presentation up So people can be looking at the presentation and asking questions about it People could vote on the questions just like they can and hangouts pretty interesting I would bet if you could go back in time to 2008 and look at the entire suite of the The offerings that they had then with docs and sheets and everything that we have now I'll bet we would all be a little bit surprised how far that stuff's come It's evolved so slowly that we haven't really appreciated how much better it is now But I rely on that stuff every day and it's great and it does everything I need. I think in 08 I may have been a little less charged about it Might have been more like 2009, but still BBC News reports Apple has lost a trademark fight in China against leather products maker Xingtong Chandee The Beijing Higher Peoples Court ruled Apple had not proven it was a well-known brand in China Before Xingtong filed its iPhone trademark application in 2007 remember the iPhone just launched in the US in 2007 That patent for Qingdong was granted in 2010 Apple had filed for the iPhone trademark for electronic goods in China in 2002 But it wasn't granted until 2013 and again it was just for electronic goods not for leather goods Apple previously filed suit against the company with the Chinese trademark authority in 2012 and then again with a lower Beijing court Both cases were unsuccessful. So the the upshot of this is this company now can sell iPhone cases that say iPhone on them Without getting any permission from Apple I know they have to go after it but Brian anything that's I don't I mean keep in line I mean just how young it was at that time because I remember I think it was 2006 they they bought they They announced the iPhone then they had to buy the name iPhone from Cisco because they had a product called the iPhone so so I mean in that context it sounds crazy nowadays with Apple being the largest company in the world, but but in that context that this might be a just ruling Well, I think so the dates are right there. See that's where I'm surprised if anyone surprised they lost It's only because I thought Apple was big enough to win any case or something because otherwise those dates are all you know You either did it or you didn't do it and here I mean they did file in China in 2002 Yeah, the trademark of iPhone, but only for electronics. So yeah I think if you were to try to find something on Apple side of the case It is odd that the Chinese company it files in 2007 and gets granted in 2010 Whereas Apple files in 2002 and doesn't get granted until 2013. Yeah, there you go opera That's a browser they announced something on Wednesday and it's it they have a built-in ad blocker and it's coming to all desktop users as well as Opera mini for Android previously the feature was only available in the developer channel versions of the browsers Opera claims its desktop ad blocking is 45% faster than Chrome with ad book ad block plus and load sites 40% faster on mobile That's pretty that's high claims. It's fast a lot of you probably are like I thought they already had the ad blocker built in which they did in the developer channel a lot of you probably Downloaded it and been using it and forgot that you're using the developer version. Maybe I don't know But yeah, this is this is now available for everybody on the desktop opera mini for Android and they're you know Still planning on bringing it to other platforms as well It's funny that you can block advertising almost 50% faster than you could before well I mean, it also just speeds up browsing when you stop downloading anything, right? If you download fewer elements of a page that just makes sense IBM now lets anyone run quantum computing experiments online at research dot IBM comm slash quantum Researchers can request an invite. So you kind of have to be a researcher and you have to be approved But once you are you can construct equations using logical gates and run as simulations or even submit your experiment to IBM to Execute on the actual quantum hardware quantum computers can keep a bit in superposition of both 1 and 0 Allowing it to perform some operations like factoring much faster than classical computers If you want to know more about how IBM's quantum computer works like the syndrome bit that does error Correction on data q-bits Chris Lee at ours technica has an excellent write-up that'll explain a lot of that stuff to you Yeah, I also just like the term classical computers. I like that a lot for some reason Tony and computers. Yeah But Bitcoin Foundation's chief scientist Gavin Andreessen told security Excuse me researcher Dan Kaminsky that it was a mistake to publish his statements in support of Craig Wright's claim to be Satishi Nakamoto Satoshi. I always do that one, right? Obviously Before he saw Wright's blog post Andreessen said this quote I assumed his post would simply be a signed message Anybody could easily verify and quote Andreessen says Wright should move a Bitcoin through a key tied to one of the first blocks to remove any doubts Yeah, so Controversy continues So basically Andreessen was one of the people that folks were pointing to saying like hey man chief scientist says it's kosher Now he's backing off a little bit going. Yeah, that public blog post not what I expected I wouldn't have posted my post if that's what I knew he was gonna post so I'm with the economist now He should move a Bitcoin through a key tied to one of the first blocks Although some people are saying there might be a way for him to move a key from an early block Even if he isn't Satoshi Nakamoto, so that might not definitively prove something and there's some Definitely some speculation out there that he might he might not be Satoshi But he might have known the person or maybe Satoshi isn't even a single person Maybe Wright was one of the people who was creating Satoshi And they all threw their name together to create this persona because two of the key people who created Bitcoin that we we know Worked on Bitcoin in the early days have passed away And if if Wright is just trying to surf in off on their legacy there might nobody anybody to do object I mean, is this the case where it's just a play for fame and notoriety if there's a Throne to be had he was like well, I guess I'll sit on it. Sure. What do you need me to say? Very significantly is Dave Kleeman has sometimes been pointed out as maybe being to Satoshi Kleeman died and if Satoshi's bitcoins are in a trust as Wright says but owned by Kleeman This might be a move to try to rest control of them from the Kleeman family Who might not quite understand all of the ins and outs of how to take advantage of those bitcoins It's like Kaiser so say but in real life. I still don't get how it is a thing yet It's also a legitimate currency, you know, I'm like confusion with this whole thing It's so weird and surrounded and so much mystery and intrigue yet people are trading with it I can buy games on or at least soon I can buy games on steam with it Like is the it's still the weirdest thing to me that it exists and I know it's not a legitimate currency Well, that's I think that's where you're getting hung up. It's it's in some ways no different than Your frequent flyer miles which you can use to buy things with to okay And I totally get all that but this bit with this intrigue about who is who it's just so Hollywood Yeah, it's good. I don't know when it ends you could go You could run this storyline for a very long time and we'd never know and I'm sure the biographer that is supposed to be working on Wright's biography Will share the proceeds of the movie rights with mr. Wright was once that movie is made Sig Fox a French company that builds dedicated wireless networks for use by Internet of Things devices announced It will bring its service to a hundred cities in the u.s. Sig Fox will partner with strategic site owners for access to 230,000 antenna sites so a much bigger installation than they had originally talked about at CES Sig Fox currently hosts 7 million devices in 18 countries right now Dedicated IOT networks can be deployed faster They cost less to run than networks that are meant to run multiple services like voice and data So this this is becoming a race to see who can control the infrastructure for Internet of Things and profit Deutsche telecom is partnering with the Alzheimer's research organizations to launch a game called see hero quest C is in C is in the water the This thing will collect data that they can be used to fight Alzheimer's and dementia players decisions Answers and movements will provide anonymous data that can be used for research players who wish to actively support dementia research Can provide additional information such as age gender and country of origin again? It'll be available to Deutsche telecoms 13 European countries Missing from that summary is whether or not it's any fun. Doesn't that matter a little bit you play An old timey Mariner who's losing his memory and you have to help him out That sounds cut right from today. I mean Mariner is pretty cool. I like that If announced that starting May 11th It's converting recipes that use SMS to use if app notifications instead on iOS and Android If to explain that sometimes SMS gets blocked a spam by service providers. It also can be costly Even to users to support SMS so users who want to keep their SMS recipes can do so But you'll need to let if to know so if you have any recipes with SMS you have to look at your near email You should have gotten an email from ift and then you can go in and say hey This is I want to keep mine. They'll ask you to tell tell them why I guess you don't have to tell them anything But I did I was like hey man, sometimes I'm not on Android and iOS, which means I wouldn't get the message Bloomberg Bloomberg rather reports Bloomberg Bloomberg reports it serves as tell it that YouTube is planning another subscription based streaming service This one's called unplugged lawsuit from MTV pending That will include network and cable channels YouTube has supposedly been working on the product line Since 2012 they want to launch it in 2017 That's the plan at around thirty five dollars a month with add-ons available Not totally sure what that means, but they've not struck any deals yet So we're gonna talk a lot more about the the the landscape of the perfect TV service coming up here soon This very well may be it, but man no deals yet. That's kind of the key You're otherwise you're an empty husk of an idea and you don't have your deals So get your deals you keep in mind they haven't announced anything This is sources familiar with the matter and it would make sense that they would want to get into the space because I don't know if you know This there's this trend of people on doing something to the cord where it's not attached anymore kill it Severers, I think they just cut it. Oh may advocate a more extreme measure to your chords Which which reminds me I have to tell you about the squirrel that brought down my frontier internet connection Yes, how are they? Well, you have to tell us later. I want to tell you that a little bit But but key point you said you you don't know what the add-ons would be which implies maybe that you didn't read your articles It implies it correctly, but the add-ons are like on sling TV when you buy the little packages It's like oh, I want the sports package so add more channels or I want the lifestyle package again That's and Brian's right. This is all just sources YouTube probably isn't even sure what they want to do yet So I Imagine they want to get in on this and they're speeding up the Bloomberg sources say they want to speed up the The roll out of this because they see all of these other people's like Hulu like sling TV like PlayStation view Getting into this business and no my wife does work at YouTube, but not in this section Can I ask you a quick question? Is it is it this I guess that we don't know maybe we don't know this But but is there any reason why they are separating it from YouTube red or or is We don't know we don't know what they're doing We they're not separating it from YouTube red because they haven't created it yet So maybe it will be like YouTube red plus will be, you know $40 and it'll include all the YouTube red stuff plus this new live streaming service Yeah, I actually think that would be a smart way to launch it because YouTube red They worked very hard to have it mean a very specific experience if if unplugged means something else basically a cable competitor over the top Service then you could sell red you could sell unplugged or you could say, you know The whole YouTube or whatever as a different package, right? Also Hulu had lots to say at its new front event for advertisers in New York I just mentioned Hulu getting into this business and you're like wait a minute. I hadn't heard about that Well, now you have CEO Mike Hopkins confirmed that the company plans to bring a live sports news and events service to customers in 2017 now we did mention previously the Wall Street Journal saying rumored service This one is now a fact the details about what networks will be on it whether it'll cost $40 a month or not That's all still Unconfirmed he wouldn't say anything else except yeah, we're gonna do it coming in 2017 He also said Hulu has grown 33 percent over the past year to 12 million subscribers Oh, yeah, Netflix has 77 million in the US so for comparison hours per viewer is up 30 percent Hulu will bring interactive ads to the big-screen versions of the service and collaborate with Nielsen on campaign level ratings for Advertisers, so not just rating shows but rating the actual ads Content-wise the path and the Mindy project are both renewed for their next seasons and Ron Howard's Beatles documentary eight days a week We'll come to Hulu's new documentary films section this autumn I obviously the Mindy project has done very very well and they made a lot of noise with 11 22 63 But is there a definitive breakout Hulu original that that you guys feel like I would argue I would actually argue that in terms of sort of acting and The kind of production it is the the path is really good It's its subject matters a little hard and it's maybe Maybe put some people off because it does feel like a little bit like a tool That's just telling everyone to question their belief systems. I love it I really like it in fact and it's even better if you think of it as Jesse Pinkman fanfiction This is where he ends up after he runs away It kind of works in a weird way, but but the show is really good And I after seeing everything you just mentioned and chunks of other stuff on Hulu It feels like a real strong contender for like the most quality thing they've made it's up there I would say it's like it's like transparent on Amazon Amazon in that it's Kind of quiet kind of behind the scenes But catches you by surprise and blows you away and then you may hear it around, you know Ward season or something season. Yeah, I really like it. It's really really good And honestly the Mindy project may not be your cup of tea, but for those who do want to drink that tea It's it's a really strong version of a primetime comedy, you know, Mindy Kaling is hilarious She's got a great cast my wife loves it And it is one of the things she used to scoff when I would use Hulu It's like they're gonna use Hulu and this is one of the things that has drawn her into it So I I think though to answer your question, but I know they their breakout hits are still the primetime Shows and catch up on there's still the shows from last night agents of shield or the voice or you know Whatever the big hits on primetime are that is their advantage by the way the most surprising thing in this article is that it's the Ad subsidized option is still more popular. Was it that interesting 99 versus no ads for 12 bucks Yeah, I would think you know, that's the cost of a beer at an airport once a month for no ads ever Yeah, it's great. I mean it changed it completely flipped me around on Hulu I was super skeptical and didn't like the previous service and when that came around I immediately signed back up I've loved it. It made perfect sense and I'm guessing that's where their 33% growth came from but it's interesting that if that's true That just means that many more are just using the ad free service And I guess there's still there's still some value to that but I sure hated it man. Whoo hated it Yeah, I've flipped around on it too I used to not recommend it like avowedly like I don't see a reason to pay for this And first they started adding some things that you couldn't get anywhere else But you could get if you paid and that made a little sense and I actually started using it And then once they went with the ad free version made all the difference to me Thanks to everybody who submitted things super super Eddie Motang the Max SP Sheridan all the folks submitting stuff on our subreddit at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com Submit some stories and vote on them folks. That's dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and that is look at the headlines So this morning on the morning stream Brian and I were I was actually picking up Brian from the airport So we we talked with Scott on the morning stream about this Hulu news And we started to stray into the idea of are there too many of these services now If Hulu starts a live one do I want that one? Will it have all the networks and do I have to cobble it together and get PlayStation view because they have CBS? But maybe Hulu doesn't and maybe sling has a couple of networks I want plus all of these other things like the Comic-Con channel that's coming or Full screens channel with a lecture woman and dyna girl I'm starting to get a lot of people are like it's too many You know I have to have Netflix and this and that and all these other things We want to just consolidate everything together But then of course as Brian and I have talked about on cord killers That starts to sound like the old cable bundle and you can hear the the Comcasts and Time Warner cables of the world Chuckling like see we told you you'd be back our subscribers were up last quarter. Ha ha ha I We could debate the merits of that all day long and we have on previous shows and on cord killers in the morning stream But let me ask you this and I know Brian's answered this in part What would your ideal video service your ideal TV service look like Scott? Well Funny enough my brain may have been molded a little bit today by one Brian brushwood in a car over a speakerphone and I even kind of argued not argued but I can't I kind of argued against his point which was We are maybe hurtling toward a situation where because everybody wants to have their own breakout apps and the stars of the world Leave Netflix after their deals up and do their own streaming service and and is it ABC or CBS? I still forget anyway Well, yes is doing their own standalone stand alone thing with a whole Star Trek pole And and you got everybody who wants a piece of that everybody wants their own Netflix And I totally get why they do from their perspective They don't want to be beholden to these other distributors They would like to be the distributor of their content and you suggested today Well, maybe we're heading toward a situation where the front ends the things we use on our televisions our Apple TVs Our Roku's our whatever's That we're getting to a place where they're smart enough to say what do you want to watch and I say I don't know your reruns of Transformers Prime and it will find me the ones I own that I've downloaded the ones that are on streaming services The ones I could rent or buy Essentially just finding me everything but putting it presenting it in a way that it's not me opening up 20 different apps making Sure, my password the current Dinking around with that whole nightmare and just consolidating that into a single front end and my argument was well I don't know if any of those companies would would be okay with that like they would not feel good about being shoved underneath another front end because it kind of Again subjugates them to somebody else's interface But I've as the day is born on today I've kind of come around to this idea and maybe you can explain a little bit more about what you were Keep in mind to some extent that already happens I gave you know when my when my kid says I want to watch Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles I grabbed the remote for the fire TV and just say those words and then all of a sudden it pops up and it says you know Hey, here are the episodes that you've bought in the Amazon Prime space These are the ones that are available for streaming on Hulu and you just go through and pick it It is a little frustrating to pick one and then click on it and zoom in and it's like Oh, no, you have to buy these or whatever it does a good job of searching everything and showing you all the different ways But I'm gonna I'm gonna go even a step farther about what I was suggesting and say not only I Would say where I want to be is complete Balkanization all these services where it's fairly easy to subscribe for a month and then give it up Later and I'm gonna say that I don't even want that part where I tell The machine what I want to watch because it's not rocket science for it to watch my viewing habits and say hey I noticed that for the last eight years you've watched all of the Game of Thrones every single time I'm just gonna put it in your queue. I'm gonna sign you back up for HBO now Because you haven't been watching anything so I canceled your subscription on your behalf And then because these things can happen super fast You could in a single year as long as you weren't the one that had to manage all of your subscriptions And as long as you trusted the application and you had it watch your habits You could subscribe and unsubscribe to HBO three times in a single year and save a ton of money But here's the crazy part. I don't even care about saving money We could go all the way back to the amount of money I was spending when I had cable as long as I didn't have to deal with channels I could actually watch what I want when I wanted on whatever dang device. I Approved and or want and then the only thing I want to add on top of that is the ability to not even be troubled To have to find out what I want. I want somebody to help me with that part, too Well, and that's the but see there's where the hang-ups gonna be they want you to go to Netflix and sign up They want you to go to Amazon Prime and get a prime subscription. They want you to go to these places get their apps Whatever device it is. However, you want to get it. They want you to go do that and use them autonomously They're spending a lot of money making those functional front-ends. I I mean, I want what you want is what I'm saying. I want exactly what you when I just don't know if they're gonna give it to us Well, they don't have to give it to us. You're telling me a bot couldn't do this You tell me there's not some 17 year old with a summer free that he can't write this program because all it has to do is monitor or keep track Your stuff sign in as you give your credit card sign up and then when you don't use it Cancel it It's a little flippant to say all you have to do is some 17 year old could do it because you're not the one who has to Make the code, but you've got a good point when there's Teenager in the UK who has created a bot that lets you get out of parking tickets It you know It can't be too much of a leap to be able to do that sort of thing that can automate the subscribe and unsubscribe system That where it falls down is if the services start to say oh well now you have to call now You have to do a phone call in order to do this And and so yeah, Scott's right the the services have to cooperate with this I don't think it has so much to do with the interfaces as much as if a service feels like it's gonna be at a disadvantage If you don't think about it right Netflix doesn't really care if you think about it They just want you to stay subscribed so that's why they're in the business of coming up with things that you want to watch so that you stay subscribed on On the other hand a CBS all-access may say well We also kind of want to sell you showtime and we want to sell you this other things and we've got Advertising partners that aren't just shown in shows but are in the interfaces as advertisers So those business models that are built on the idea of you sit down with my product and my product alone will resist this but It is economically and technically feasible to come up with exactly what brian's talking about and the more he Talks about it the more i'm like yeah, I I want an independent device to be my interface for managing all of this I want it to do exactly what you're saying brian automatically subscribe and unsubscribe and I want all The shows to be available somehow. I don't care how Just make them available. Don't take shows and be like nope. We're pulling these off We're not going to make them available and create some kind of artificial scarcity Well, here's here's the the analog I can think of it's rss and newsreaders for example So I remember those heady days not long ago when The internet came to me and said hey Here's a way for you to get all of these websites and all of their posts to feed into one central location And at the time blogs and websites were very upset about this because what it meant was Instead of even in my case if people if I wanted people to come see my comic on my extra life.com They were no longer going there in theory They were going to a rss reader that just had it in the feed or they found it on reddit or they're looking at it someplace else they're finding it these other ways and that frustrated That that base of content creators and people who had investments in their websites They wanted that to be a place where you'd come not just for the advertising But because there's other things to click on there's other parts of our content We want you to see and instead you were skipping all that and getting only the part you want now I'm also all about skipping all the stuff you don't want and getting what you want Like as a user I'm all for that sort of thing But those sites were slow to like want to do this And I think now nobody cares, but at the time people were like, I don't know. This is weird One of the problems with rss though is that it was free and so companies were like, well I don't know how we're going to monetize this and put ads in the rss I guess but this this would still deliver the money You're not talking about getting around things You're still going to watch the ads if you're on the ad version of hulu You're still going to pay the subscription to netflix It's it's really there's not much objection except for these well We kind of build a business model of around channel placement or this and that things that basically have to change Right. I mean they can legitimately Belly ache that it's like well, we know you only watch Game of Thrones But we really liked it when you were subscribed to HBO now now all year long That was really convenient for us. We'd like it if you kept doing that But I don't know that that quite holds up as an argument as strong as hey, stop using ad blockers You're robbing us of our only source of revenue. No, that's a good point I'm at block. I mean ad blockers you could even throw in there too, but but I guess what I'm trying to say is If they if if it becomes if we get to a place where Uh, I don't know amazon releases something called the one box It's the only box you're ever going to need and it's one interface to all of these services We take care of all the stuff in the background All you do is search for the stuff you want you get it Well, that's them handing the keys of the pr and the marketing over to amazon they're saying to amazon Okay, sure you be now you be the single point of output like Comcast is for cable or like any other? No, well, that's only if they decide to act that way for example Yeah, you could make that box that that white washes and doesn't disclose what service it is But my guess is uh, then you have uh, you know a staring contest between hulu and amazon where hulu says Hey, we notice that your box presents that material as if it's owned by amazon We're going to we're going to escalate an arms race and make it more difficult for your box That's a violation of the terms of the api we withdraw your api keys right right and then and then they'll say Oh, no, we'll change it It'll say brought to you by hulu and stuff and it's and they're like, okay. We we're on the same page Yeah, and honestly, I mean amazon can do that and then uh, and then apple can do that and then roku can do that My biggest two two last things that I have problems with is one I don't like it when the manufacturers of the systems also play the content game and then lock other people out So I can't watch amazon easily on my android tablet or I can't get itunes on my roku box like I I want that to go away And I don't want a very similar problem to happen where well playstation view gives you these channels unless you're on your ipad Then we don't have the rights to give you that channel there and sling tv gives you this channel Oh, except for that show which we don't have the rights as a stream So that show isn't going to show right now. We're just going to give you a blank screen That stuff has to go away too. Yeah, I agree. But I but I think you have completely Brian described my perfect service. That is what I want. I want a thing where I'm still paying significantly less Throughout the year that I would have for cable And I'm getting the channels I want the live things I want like all the stuff we're talking about all are under one roof Without it having to be one roof of content control and instead just one roof of ease of use shoot man Have it give you a have it set you can set a budget and it'll say okay at this budget Uh, you can these are the shows you can get, you know, and if you want to increase the budget You know maybe you you plug in your digital concierge and and it says hey Do you mind if I check your access history for on amazon? Can I can I look at everything you bought on amazon? I just side real side real should do this I use side real to to tell me when the shows I want to watch are on they they could already They could just take what they do and turn that into this service I mean, this is why like when we first started batting this idea around on cord killers It really sounded insane. I kept calling it Jarvis But the more I think about it the more it just seems like it's a little bit of technical There's no technological reason this can't happen immediately. It's just a matter of it's an engineering problem at this point Not a a scientific problem. Yeah It's a little bit of an economic problem. I guess right well Even it's some time of the perceived one like it may not even actually Economics in the sense of like our money is all coming in over here And if we do this right now that stops and we go broke Everybody who has pulled away from netflix stars and others the reason they pulled away wasn't because they were perfectly happy with being The stepchild of the big netflix, you know father stepfather who's running everything They don't want to be in everybody else's garden. They wanted to go off and do their own thing So if we're asking them all to come back into a garden, I just think it's a real delicate Thing that's all and it's they'll be slow to like it at first and that eventually we get there And I hope we do because that's what I want But it just seems that seems like a fight for a while And and hacker 17 year olds will give us what we want until then and then maybe the industry will be forced to You know like they do with music and everything else will have to they have to figure out a way Yeah, I believe there is a gulf. I don't think it's as big as as you think it is I think we're a lot closer to this than then you would expect All right. Well, I summarized a lot of these points in a blog post at dailytechnewshow.com Of course, we have our show notes as well If you want to check that out and of course This idea was germinated in the brain of brian brushwood in our conversations at cord killers On cord killers.com. So go check that out as well Let's get to our pick of the day. We've talked a lot about tipping and related to the uber situation and yaru in malaysia Says separate from the whole uber thing He recommends the freakonomics podcast particularly the episodes should tipping be banned from june 13th 2013 and the No tipping point from march 10th 2016. They cover the topic of tipping and how sometimes as a system It may not be a good thing Freakonomics.com definitely a good podcast for lots of reasons, but these are a couple of I'll tell you what continent points I listened to those and it totally changed my opinion on tipping like they make a very compelling case that Tipping is an inherently racist sexist institution like by the numbers. That's not even saying, you know, like like it's demonstrably true that that if you are young blonde female and Well, in doubt you are going to make more and is that a fair system? It doesn't seem to be to me And that doesn't mean you shouldn't tip your uber driver or that we think uber was right in not allowing their drivers to Be honest about the tipping situation. It just it's a it's a more general condemnation of the idea of tipping overall It's it's and and those of you who work in the tip industry I hear you man You need those tips because that's the way the system works right now. Yeah, and full disclosure I've had a job where I worked for tips and ever since then I tip like a drunken millionaire I tip very very liberally, but uh, but but I understand that the institution has problems Send your picks to us folks feedback at daily tech news show dot com You can find more picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks Just one message of the day today and just a warning folks Usually I say 60 seconds on your voicemails Because some of you like to say a lot of things and that's fine and I will listen to them But I won't necessarily play them on the show today I make an exception because riko sent us a voicemail with some help pronouncing the brazilian names from yesterday's show As well as some information on what he and his brother are doing in brazil to help people get faster connections Hi, tom and crew Riko here the apostle of brazil and jesus Look, you guys gave a good try yesterday with the brazilian names. I love to hear scott try The first guy his name is ricardo muscio santana But as a good brazilian he's a name hoarder. So his actual full name is ricardo muscio santana de abreolima Go figure The name of the state was sergipe. The other guy was cesário serqueira neto Look on top of that whatsapp story there A few more crazy things happening in brazil The big guys piece have convinced the regulator to debate a new regulation that would cut users off after their data caps have expired I know I know I've already sent them Especially did with benoist felton and how data caps are useless, but they won't listen to me So instead we my brother and I are taking matters in our own hands and we're crowdfunding networks Not any networks no radio no old technology will go for the future We're going with a Point-to-point fiber, you know gigabit symmetric and all that And on top of that we want to make a completely different business than the monopolies And make the networks open meaning any isp can offer To the connected customers and you can switch providers without switching a cable not only we're building these networks We're also teaching people how to build their own networks You know desire is unlimited, but resources are not So if there any version is in the audience, I'd love to connect with them I'll drop my email below and the site of Of our provider Well, there you go. Sorry. Yeah, he sent us an email And I will put that in the show notes at daily tech news show dot com, but it's ray abra dot com dot br re a b r a dot com dot br Is is the name of of the provider that he's trying to put together to do uh open internet I love the idea of like yeah, they want to do all this crazy stuff on the major tech telecommunication companies So my brother and I decided to build our own telecommunications company as an answer Well, hold on though that basically it's it kind of proves uh schwood's point earlier about you know, how sometimes these things get done I say here here. Go for it man. You guys beat the impetus of change Yeah, and thanks for the presentation. I'll try to remember sergipe Which then I'll listen back again to and I just heard of muscio santana. I don't know I hope that no wednesdays ever feature those names. That's what I hope I'll make sure you get it next time All right Thank you, brian brushwood for joining us. That was amazing. Uh, heck. Yeah, it's a lot of fun And uh to all the listeners if you enjoy these kind of discussions We get into a lot of speculative spots in the cord killers I highly recommend you guys check it out and of course scam school youtube.com slash scam school as well Go check that out a personal favorite of mine Scott johnson, what are you up to? Oh this saturday is free comic book day As you know people go out to comic book stores get free comics and for the last four years as a tradition myself And my daughter the young budding artist carter johnson her and I get together And we uh make free prints that we then let people have for free. I cannot emphasize free enough There's zero strings attached. All they have to do is go to frogpants.com slash store Saturday will be the day when you can do the sign-ups you sign up you get these two prints signed Sent to your house no matter where you live in the world Absolutely free no strings attached free comic book day of frog pants. 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I'm just i'm just so like skeptical of the companies coming together on any of these ideas, but Well, I guess I guess what I love about an idea is that they don't have to come together if if you know Somebody writes a clever bot to do all that. Well, but then they can block the bot. That's that's always the well they can't but but eventually I mean Eventually we'll get to a point where the bot can place vote phone Voice phone calls on your behalf and and actually just say hi. I'm calling to sign up for this service Well, and even more so than that you get to a point where the netflix's and hulu's are showing like yeah No, this bot thing is actually pretty good for us. You just need to work out your old business model The internet finds a way is what you're saying and I agree with you I wish it was I wish it was something where they could just come together and go. Yeah, this is a cool standard Let's all do it everyone wins, but Yeah, that'll see that there's a snap wexley figure Sure, why not What a snap wexley. I don't know what that is either. Who is that? Oh, yeah. Oh, it's it's one of the funko Uh bobblehead things the star the pop figures. These are all real words you're using right? Snap wexley is greg grunberg's character in the force awakens Okay, and uh the pop bobblehead you've got a princess leo one sitting right in front of you bryan How come What why is star wars always uh bobbleheads? How come they can't do anything else funko with star wars stuff? Is there a rule? It's weird if you notice that they're all bobble. I think roger's trying to tell us we need to pick a title All right roger glenn can you oh, sorry? Uh, I didn't mean to go Never be sorry about making us do our job. Uh top may the fourth go away Uh The second is mouse based type machine youtube bread unplugged you can and can't use ibm's quantum computer. Ha Bloomberg pronunciation is futile satoshi spinning in his gray. Do you have a favorite? You know, I'm trying to find one that I like um I like 99 subscriptions and titles and one of them But that's just because it's funny. Yeah, we didn't talk about title today. It feels like a pot shot So youtube bread Nothing really kind of there's nothing that hits it for me for for what you guys discussed youtube bread unplugged um What's what's youtube's deal youtube and for red secret squirrel in the frontier technology? Oh, that's your squirrel What if we just call it the perfect tv service? Sure We'll call it remona My remona remona the pesto sauce Oh, not remona. I rona from richie rich. Oh, okay So we're overruling the fans today. There's also all of our overload from b master That's pretty good actually, what if you have a bundles a bundle of bundles that's gonna that's gonna be funny Scott brian I'm fine. I ain't got a dog in this fight here. No skin in this game. What's another metaphor for it? Uh got no There's no horse in this race. Uh, I haven't eaten a cat. I didn't do it All right, I'll a card overload. Let's go with that actually like that. It was pretty good Yeah, I think it's everything's in flux. We're just at that period where everything is, you know, everyone's Gaming for a position Yeah, yep We're in the middle of a really hard hearthstone match In netflix the reason we could say like netflix is doing it right is netflix just started their streaming service You know in the middle of the 2000s. So they already were like, we're free of any constraints We could just go with where we think this is going and give them credit for being a little prescient of where it would be going But uh, if you're comcast, uh, time order cable you have these legacy business models and It's much harder to deal with it's it's a little bit like the way apple handled stuff with the iphone is they only Had it do what they knew it could do well and absolutely nothing else and likewise, you know netflix is like These are the things we definitely could get licenses to that don't require advertising that aren't region lock Or I guess this is the reason region we could do it in and that's all we're going to do I mean, it's it's interesting that a lot of a lot of the models that they have released when it comes to content Is very like what you guys are I think you a scott or maybe you brian Just saying that it's a lot of it is kind of like what cable television is where you do kind of have all these bundles, but what's more interesting is like a lot of the content still Uh content produced by someone else that there is in-house production and hulu at youtube And uh, netflix, but it isn't a bulk of that content. So they still have to pay those content generators well in some cases like netflix move or netflix originals can be bought on itunes like You don't even have to have netflix to get some of that stuff I mean You know it's funny. It's because they can't give they can never give that up really because then why would you ever go to Sign up for netflix right if you could buy anything that they create separately Other than to get like a package deal on the stuff right It's all very weird I mean cable television went through the same thing. I mean, there's a reason why discovery is Is bit is as big as it is And they don't produce anything in house They literally have people bid on ideas that they want done And production companies come out and say like well, okay, pitch us some ideas You submit you submit a pilot or whatever Um, and they say okay, maybe we we could run this for like so many episodes for a season We'll buy you a season we'll buy a season off you And it's really it's really fascinating because people don't realize how um How thin the margins are for the production companies that make them like they think oh, it's tv They make lots of money. It's like no these guys are like Screaming handed handed foot trying to get stuff done under budget because discovery only pays so much money Yeah, when there were three networks back in the day And all you had to do is be the big three well then You know, there's a lot more money to be spent in bigger chunks You have died of short The story of squirrel says I didn't know discovery doesn't produce things in house. How common is that? That's the norm Yeah, the way the way the system works these days is usually have a production company that specializes in producing television Then you may have another production company that sets that specializes in in actually Doing executing television like we hire photogs and equipment. They'll team up and they'll contract with a Content network that's like we want this done and then there might be a third party that brings in the pitch That's like we're the ones who have the idea and we're gonna we're gonna bring it to you So it's it's almost it would be rare for all of that to happen under one roof usually and you know The discoveries the tlcs the the history channels They try to limit risk as much as possible, which is why they don't produce anything in us They don't want to carry something that might not be successful I mean if you take it something that's really came out like that did super well as myth busters And for that they'll it's kind of a different trap. They'll they'll try to keep it in Spinning as long as possible for the point that even when the two hosts don't want to do the show anymore They just throw like a stack of cash at them. It's like, all right You know just sign up for one more for one more round and we'll give you all this stuff Well, and now and now they're even doing the reality show that's not the myth busters But it's like the hunt for the new myth busters that implies but does not promise that there would be a new myth busters show Down the road Well, they try doing other myth busters style shows when myth busters because they knew they couldn't keep Smash lab and that kind of yeah, and they all sucked giant ding dongs. Yep So it's the hostess product Uh the metaphor the chocolate covered thing. Yeah, got it Um It's it's it's weird the That business is so I'm sure you know this very well brahman, but that business not only crazy But it's so like everything you know about office politics goes up a hundred percent Well, and plus I mean here here's the real fact and I don't think I'm uh speaking from any insider knowledge here But uh, nobody knows how to make a hit show Everybody's convinced they know how to make a hit show. Oh, yeah It is it is the weirdest thing and they speak so confidently stuff gets on the air Not because it was good or tested well or whatever But just because it was so-and-so's pet project and now he's been gotten a raise and is the vp of new development or whatever Yeah, and everyone so this is the this is not that this is the terrible open secret about At least cable television. I can't speak for for like Netflix or anything But there's a lot of stupid people running those places a lot of them uh, and it's just You would you would literally just like Like if you could you would just run your head into a wall because you're like that's not a verifiable fact No, it's true. It's true That's not a testable hypothesis. It doesn't matter. That's what makes it that's what makes that declaration so awesome Because you set it up like here's an open secret They're duty heads. That's the open I'm just saying You know what if there were smart heads there That lone rangers the lone ranger movie would have there's also a lot of psychological studies that say all of us think everyone else is stupid Yeah, we all think we're above average. Yeah, I don't think I'm above. I know I'm pretty much at average I've never claimed to be different. You might still be overestimating. I'm not saying you are Oh, wow. Wow. I'm not I I think you're above average, roger You know, I don't even think a squirrel bit into your You were probably doing something in the backyard and you cut it. I wasn't squirrel Oh, yeah, I was I didn't ever uh follow up on that story. This is good. I want to hear this Yeah, so, um, I get an email last night from allison charidan Uh, who again very nicely let me use her bandwidth on monday while my internet was in fact still out And she's like, hey, check this out. Do you know about next door? And of course Anybody's watched our post show knows that we were always talking about next door with jenny Uh, and I was like, oh, yeah, but I haven't really been paying attention to it Turns out I should have been Because the president of the west coast region for frontier internet lives in my neighborhood. Whoa was on our next door personally handling complaints And like giving people her email address saying I will take care of this and then it culminates in her on Monday while I was at allison's in the afternoon saying we have tracked down the problem to this intersection Which is right nearby me. Uh, and I am I am on the scene investigating it with the text The next post is turns out a squirrel chewed through the cable And that has caused the outage at this node for all of these houses So they fixed that and then she says in a separate post This apparently is a common problem at this location. So we are putting extra shielding on it I could have sworn it was minox chewing on the power lines. Yeah Minox, maybe they could just put dog barks aren't squirrels for afraid of dogs or is that just a My dog has killed a squirrel. Whoa They got a reason to be afraid of dogs. It wasn't jango. It was soyer The little little it's the little ones you got to watch out for never trust the soyer always bad character on that show Always up to something never knew what was quite going on killed a rat too. Wait, what show what show are you talking about? lost That was a thing for a while. Remember that I hid all of our uh medicine one time and wouldn't let us access it without paying it That's that's the show. Sorry Fun in here today. That's a good show. I did that. I got so much crap going on It was just a night. I don't know. It's it didn't feel like work. It felt like a nice break with awesome, man Owls, that's great. Yeah Which friends So you guys are saturday for your meetup Yes, sir. Very excited about it. Perfect time for Veronica to go to a wedding. So she's not there Oh, man bad timing She's not happy about that. She told me Anything in the first time they do i'm out of town I Not, you know, I'm just saying You you could choose your between your friends wedding No, that's horrible Very Well, whose friends are more important is really what you need to ask that's kind of where I was going. Yeah But uh, you know Weddings and live night attacks which ones happen more often Yeah Actually live night attacks probably I don't know what the averages are That sounds about right Hey, I got an order for ink shares. Hey, congratulations. Thank you. Gordy Gordy just ordered copy 528 528k Yeah Or wait, no, it'll be 512 a copy 512 came in earlier and I Should have thanked the person for the nice round number Send him a really old usb stick or something. Yeah I actually have a couple 512 I have a 256 over here somewhere. Those are useless. Yeah Useless. I'm almost done here guys. Get the time All right. Thank you all for enjoying the show or if you didn't enjoy the show. Thanks for hanging around anyway Wow, that's dedication Thanks for hate watching. We'll see you tomorrow