 The heart disposition of all men alike is enmity against God, rebellion against God. That's why there's no interest in God's word. That's why you're at best the way that you perceive it, apathetic or indifferent toward the word of God. Apathetic or indifferent toward the preaching of God's word. Apathetic or indifferent toward fellowship with God's people, toward loving and serving them in the church. While you're apathetic or indifferent toward evangelism without any burden for lost people. There's no interest in God's word, no room for the Lord in your affections. It's why you go day after day without a care in the world for your soul. It's because you don't see it. The carnal mind is enmity against God.