 What's up everybody and welcome back to for the Minions the weekly show all about upcoming third-person mobas that I myself I'm just particularly interested in I don't care about smite or any of this other crap that's out there. Oh Wait, they got cool new skins though. I don't they always have cool Smite has great skins they always had great skins. It's not a bad game, but I'll give a fuck about smite I want these Paragon successors and I want a theory. Oh, that's what I want By the way Raven keep you keep you goddamn mouth shut till we introduce you. Oh shit, my man Man that threw me off this is a terrible episode Speaking of this week's terrible episode we got updates for over prime ethereal and fault We got nothing for predecessor as usual, but we'll still talk about it because we got Raven here I got a I got a really good clip of you getting I think I was a pit a kill on sparrow a long time ago Like one of one of me. Yeah, one of their first stress tests I don't know if I got that somewhere or not But anyway, and if you want to just zoom straight to any of that just time stamps in the comments below We'll talk about the poll results from this week and our topic for discussion is how uh, how these Companies can use their communities how these communities can actually help these companies out as well So I am your host the man goose joining me as always is my friend and co-host jelly knees. How you doing jelly? I'm doing fantastic man goose. We're just going for the throat on this episode. Yeah, doesn't matter We're doing it which is good because I got lots of things to say and with us this week though Is the one and only Raven Raven? How are you doing man? Hey? I'm doing well. Thanks for asking mr. Jelly knees. Yeah, I can speak alright. I've said you're allowed to speak now, okay? Okay, so it's free reign right now. I can just interrupt whenever now. You're up top. Okay. It's perfect. Yeah Hey guys, what's going on? It's been a long time since we are recorded our good old a rage rage podcast In like over two months like I tried looking back at like the last episode. I think it was like over like two months ago Yeah, no, I'm gonna talk a great show we should get we should do those again. I just kind of ran out of topics I Keep that now then playing more games again. I got you. Yeah Yeah, oh Shit, so Raven Lee tell everybody about yourself a little bit of your history with Paragon favorite hero all that crap Yeah, sure thing. Yeah, I'll do that. So If you guys don't know me I used to be known as Evan almighty if you knew me back in the Paragon days I played ADC pretty much predominantly Yeah, I fiddle around the jungle a little bit little offline action But close to ADC Revenant. He was my favorite Hands down, but I mastered him Murdoch twin blast sparrow actually to But yeah, I know I played I did a bunch of videos I ended up doing a lot of montages and I ended up writing a song or I wrote two songs original songs for Paragon Yeah, I did not know this you didn't know either. What the hell shit? I'll have to send you guys a link afterward But yeah, I know I did one basically like you know like oh this game is great And then I did another one when the game was shutting down. So it was like a goodbye game song, but that was fun I'll knock the game if he told us about it, right? Like it's Yeah, no, so I did that and I streamed it obviously a while But as of lately, you know, I've just been kind of waiting on Our paraclones here and such and our successors if you will or adaptations So prequels sequels now I'm now I'm now I'm Raven Merch plug look at that. That's nice merch. I'm gonna give me one damn Get it. Yeah My my stream elements story. I got a thing for birds Well, let's move on to do the updates After I'm saying of course saying weird shit. I don't just I don't know where Anyway, man, let's start off. Let's start off with a theory on theory old They've got their stress test this weekend. So let's talk about them. So Obviously the stress test starts tomorrow if you're watching this as it's premiering and which is with the 18th, right? Yep, just Saturday the 18th. This comes out on the 17th. Excellent. And then So you guys added some more visual clarity to the map There was just the X's that were kind of painted on walls that would denote what you can actually smash with Berserkers if you don't know the Berserker class myths can break terrain Break parts of the environment to open up gank potential or just open up new avenues of approach They do reform after a while But now instead of just the white X's painted on stuff. It's a very nicely done Particle effect of just blue cracks and then the actual explosion when you burst through it was a bunch of kind of Rocks falling now It's just kind of a blue mist which looks a lot better and makes it a lot easier to do stuff. So Raven What do you what do you think about what you think about this? What you think about the new the new cracks? Yeah, I haven't seen them, but I saw the old ones I can comment on that. Yeah Go for it was very it was very cartoony. Yeah, but I mean, I guess placeholder, right? You guys are in such development right now. I say you guys be kind of talking to jelly on that point But get out of here man goose. He's talking to me. Yeah, you suck dude. You stay over there No, but I don't know like I haven't seen the new one, but I'm sure it does look a lot better Yeah, you know since we're talking about theory. Oh, I still don't really know how much on the boat. I am Since the last time I saw it and you know did my stuff with the game But I yeah, we could get to that later if you want if you want that's up to you We're you're talking about cracks on the rocks right now. Yeah Jelly like I sure it looks good. What do you think about rock cracks? What do I think about rock cracks? I'm just in general one of two people that implemented the rock cracks. I think Otherwise I'm gonna come hunt you down. I'm gonna fight. I'll see No, I love them. I think definitely comparatively to the white X's on the rocks. They're a hundred times better They just give that little sense of clarity They make it really clear one way or the other of whether you can or can't break rocks They break really nicely they glow in and out as you're looking at them So if you're standing looking at them, there's a slight glow that applies that fades in and out All I think a very good changes for the berserkers and the rocks in general It's nice to see a replacement for the Acme destructible environment assets Cartoony Roadrunner you see him coming by meet me X yeah, oh Wouldn't that be funny if you could have a hero that can paint Rocks look like there's a way to get through and then you just watch people rain into it Be like a little trickster or something and then also Also this week for a trailer Talking about the familiars and the battle spells. These are things that you could pick up before the match starts To that affects your play style and you have the familiars which will eventually have an actual familiar attached to them So you'll be able to look across and see if somebody has like a little mouse with a sword or a little elemental Dude following them around and you could tell what familiar they're using and that'll you could adjust your gameplay as Necessary so I don't want to get into each and every one of those if you want to see that Check out enter the ether of the podcast I do with jelly knees and we talked about these in detail But I just wanted to more talk about Familiars and battle spells and how they apply to MOBAs and if you guys like them or not so again, I'll go to Raven Oh, so familiar is Yeah, they're supposed to be the old like summoner spells and League of Legends, right kind of yeah Essentially similar thing. Yeah, I think it's a pretty important concept, you know, I played that game now for a few years and Not having those spells so like coming from Paragon as the first mobile I played then going to League not having those spells Such a difference to having because now you have a flash that I didn't realize how important that was because again My MOBA knowledge was low. So now you have a flash that you can just get out of something quick or hop environment Say, you know hero can't or anything like a heal a teleport a burn to help you early get a kill Exhaust to help you early get a kill or something. I Think it's paramount. You know, it seems like a staple in MOBAs I mean look at smite smite kind of has it too, right last time I checked. Yeah, yeah, you have yeah Yeah, so and those you actually upgrade to like the talismans or something. I don't know runes So, I mean it it seems like it's a good thing So why not implement it into another MOBA, right? And I know with the theory although but that's gonna be the tough thing, right? As you have, you know, like was it seven eight fucking buttons You got a press for just your basic abilities and old and then you got like six item slots And then you got your two active and then you got like the boots and that oh my god And then you have summoner spells brah. I'm gonna need like a what's that the one like MMO mouse. Yeah the spider on the side. Yeah It might be a little much Jelly, uh, you're obviously part of the design of these things. What do you think about them? I think like Raven said they Most MOBAs have shown that these are a pretty core mechanic of MOBAs is having some kind of Ability whether it be a flash whether it be a teleportation whether it be something just extra Having something like that adds flavor to the game and adds the differences From game to game because I could go against somebody that is running the assault familiar And then the next game run it go against somebody that's running the Guardian familiar and they're very different play styles And so having to adjust even if they're playing the same myth having a different familiar makes the game feel different and feel fresh each time And even we've seen from some of the Paris zombies predecessor has implemented a flash on every single character essentially as a summoner spell and So that's something interesting to see how that's going to work going forward as well I Mean they're game-changers look like even I'm gonna reference League a lot But if you go to League, you know If you have top lane you could take teleport as most people do or you could take like big night if you want the Little kill potential later in the game and it's like 25 minutes in there's a big team fight And then like yeah, let's say you have your teleport and you need to get there Boom, you can go take an in hip or something But if you don't have that teleport you're not gonna be able to do that. So like it varies and changes the game Yeah, and we don't change is the way you build which I think is nice is just being able to have more options as a player to customize your experience and how and Customize how you want to play a certain hero. Maybe you do you want to play Malaya? Maybe you don't want to go in all in with attack Maybe you want to be a little more defensive. Well, you can pick up one of the like the reinforce spell and give yourself Extra armor and stuff. So, yeah Yeah, I mean look all about that variation all about creating opportunities for you for the enemy Everything to make the game feel fresh each time and you'll be able to do those different things like you're talking about mangoes Yeah, and it could be like hero oriented like you kind of said because if you look at Hecarim and League You know no one takes flash on him because he gets more damage the faster he's going So he takes a ghost and set so you go like ghost smite or ghost ignite you ditch the flash Now you handicap yourself from getting out a sticky situation, but it's for the playstyle of the hero Yeah, you got a look at what's going to give you the most benefit out of out of each individual game So yeah, I have stuff and then just stress that tomorrow again That's that's just wanted to reiterate that and if if you if you were lucky enough to get a key And if you haven't signed up for the newsletter, that's how you gain have the chance to gain access So go to the website today and make sure you're signed up for that newsletter So you can have a chance to get access to the stress test check the links below You'll still watch in the background and observe for now. That's a little creepy So you know, I'm in the shadows Now the next next one we had the most updates for was fault which I'm I kind of stuck my foot in my mouth last time talking about how the The patch 14 was going to be out by the time we did the show and it just it it wasn't it was a couple hours after we Recorded that it actually that it actually released So I don't want to say that the free weekend is already up and running by the time you're watching this But it should be up and running by the time you're watching this. There you go. That's how you say it You go should yeah Well, I'm at work. It should be over there. Yeah But yeah, they should be having a free weekend this weekend Like going on now if you're watching this right now, hopefully, but you know, we'll see but yeah I think this is great news for fall We've been saying this for a while now is they need to have at least some free weekends to draw more people into the game and increase the player base I Really wish they would have done this during patch 13 because that's when the game was functioning optimally After patch 14, there's a lot of great things added with the patch But the game isn't optimized well Currently and I think if if they don't drop the optimization patch by the time they have this free weekend People are going to be like no fuck this and they're going to turn right the hell around and not even come back to fault ever It'll be their second chance and They're and they'll biff it and that's exactly it mangers is They if someone's coming back They've played it when it first came out and they're coming back for the free weekend because they returned it whatever it is Right, then they come back to a badly optimized game They're just never going to come back like this just going to be the second nail. That's it. I'm out and There's there's a lot of things I have to say about this the coincidental nature of their free weekend is Is a little surprising to me especially with the optimization of the game and they knew before they announced This free weekend that that optimization was a problem because the patch had been out for two days by that point two and a half days roughly So before the announcement was ever being made ever even announced that there was an announcement to the community they knew this optimization was not behaving correctly and So to announce a free weekend if they're not going to fix it is a very ballsy move like that's just really really ballsy Raven you're there giggling what you got to say. I'm giggling cuz you want me to mention the game I've been fucking thinking about as Optimization we just talking about but like hood allies and legends No one knows the game because no one fucking plays it anymore, but that game at promising promising ideas, but You know the player base is left literally entirely there's 12 people playing the game right now They're looking up 12, but Optimization probably the biggest thing that's killed that game I mean I can still run and get caught and not be able to slide I can still get hit by arrows that no one's shooting. I'll get hit by an arrow No, I don't take damage, but it's like you make the sound and I'm like No one shooting me or like sheriff you get killed by the sheriff one guy's killing them And then you if you walk up right next to sheriff you just die you evaporate basically your head explodes He doesn't even touch you, but you die because it's like a bug or it's a feature. There's two shares That's happened before too my god, but yeah, I mean you're right like if the game's not optimized No one's gonna want to play it I mean Especially my experience with fault when I first started playing that I was like alright Like it's kind of fun like I get it, but it wasn't optimized. I didn't have fun So like that's how you get the longevity of someone playing it is that it's a stable game I don't care what fucking new content you throw out there But as long as I can play the game consistently that I'm gonna enjoy it more and then play it more and then I'll look at the New content, but I played a few games out the new patch to me. It feels good I haven't really noticed any kind of like optimization issues that everyone's talking about I play on high settings. So it's not like epic settings or whatever. The highest is but It's been pretty smooth. I haven't been able to play a full game because I keep making people surrender Oh, I swear to God like I played like a bunch of games of swim blasts and won a seven rock and I'm like I'm like 14 at one. I was like, okay, I guess they're gonna surrender now The new items are cool. I like that. There's this variety now It's a fucking guardian angel I can leave now for that. So that was my biggest thing when I was playing I was like dude ADC suck. There's no items now I can get an item where if I build it out, you know, oh, I get that shield in case I'm about to die So it's like good on the items if it's really an options issues thing Yeah, just hammer on that for a free weekend though I mean if it's as bad as people are saying then maybe it's a little weird, but yeah for me Yeah, I don't I don't see the issue some of the big fault craters bearded being the the biggest one that I can think of right Now he crashes like every other game every three games Yeah, hard crashes out of the game. That's a problem if even yeah Even a half of the people coming in this free weekend have that problem even once That's an issue right that's that is a huge problem that they're gonna have going into a free weekend and They've already released one patch that didn't even mention some of these issues, right It was just a balance and bug fix patch, which is in the updates But yeah, we'll talk about it now. There's supposed to be an optimization patch And okay, here's my problem with optimization like a month ago I could run the game at epic settings get 60 frame per second never drop below 60 I don't usually run over 60 because my videos are all uploaded at 60 FPS. So why play higher than that, right? But I can run epic settings and everything like a month ago and everything ran fine. There were hardly any bugs Now that we're doing a free weekend. I Have to go and like mess I got to put shadows at low and I got put everything else high and then textures at like medium and It fizzed around with it and still only get about 40 frames per second And the big problem is is like certain one way I'll be having I'll be I'll be 68 frames per second I'll turn another way and I'll dip down to 20 or I'll get into a team fight and it'll dip down to 20 And it's like you look at the sky you get max frames. You look at the ground It's like all right, that's the optimization issue You once you set it and you're getting those frames running through the jungle or what have you it should stay Constant throughout the game. There shouldn't be yeah dips and valleys in it That's that's what they need to optimize for And that feels bad for returning players people that have been playing faults since the beginning are now getting worse performance And they were getting before People that are coming back to faults are now seeing it at a worse performance than it was at before With bugs optimization the whole line yards the changes they made to like the map the map looks great But if the map can't run great, that's a separate problem Yeah, and Backtracking isn't a good plan for them So like where are these issues coming from them because like I said, I haven't had those issues playing like a handful of games And like I don't even have like a crazy computer like I have a 1070 ti and an ice I mean random because I have a land I'm okay. I and I have random frame drops. So it's not a high-performance 70 it's not a high-performance issue. It's the the actual game itself is the issue. Okay, so Some interaction somewhere is having problems Yeah, and Like the to me. It's like a server thing at 14. I don't know. Um strange matters involvement Hasn't gone well Other than their player base has been slightly increased since pre patch 14, right? They're average that there's more players in hood That's true But their average right now is about 200 whereas before they were averaging about a hundred a day Which good for them doubling your player base huge, it's so good. Yeah, but the patch took eight hours Which is nuts if you thought your patch was going to take that long You should have warned people beforehand Because people getting off of work excited to go home and play the fault update can't do that Yeah, I was like a 50 gig update, right? It was insane. It took me. I think four hours. Oh, really? Yeah The patch but it just Upload the patch is the thing. Oh, okay And when you're telling people the patch goes out on December 10th people are thinking on December 10th They're gonna be able to play not essentially the 11th Like that's to me. It doesn't make sense why they didn't just do the update overnight Yes, your devs have to to stay up and work on that But if you're trying to get your player base more active and more engaged and more of those things Having the patch up as long as possible on the day of release is huge and Also had a new trailer which really looked looked really cool But it was just a mash-up of some of their old trailers, but it was still really well done Yeah, absolutely. So props to them for that. Let's give them a compliment while we're Kind of dicking on them a little bit. Oh, yes Nice looking trailer the trailer does look really good. I have to go watch it I haven't seen it. I don't even know they released one. Now. Let's get back to dicking on them This is something that pissed a lot of people off is You know patch 14 comes out a lot of people were waiting to even try the game until the patch patch 14 came out They paid their their $20 for it With it two three days later they announced hey after this free weekend. We're gonna drop the perp We're gonna cut the price. Yeah, so people that bought the patch when it came out Are like well, what's the fuck man? I gotta wait in just a week and save $10 That confuses me because when I read that I was like, okay, like cool. They dropped it But then they're like, yeah, like this is our promise to make the game eventually free to play So it's just gonna keep going down in price. So it's like what so what would anybody? Need to buy in early to play it. That's what it is, right? Yeah, it's early access still. Yeah the Anything from absolutely a good thing right good on them for dropping the price. Yeah, however huge giant asterisk Drop the price with your giant patch. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. That's exactly what I was Like why wouldn't you do the price drop along with the patch? It feels really sleazy to drop your big patch that everyone's been super hyped and waiting for and then Two days later you like and we're gonna decrease the price next week. Yeah, what I mean This is the same company that you know pushed out all these cosmetics when it first released. Is it not? Yeah I mean a lot of people a lot of people have accused strange matter of being of having very greedy business practices I mean, I think they need the money. They needed the money. They needed that money to develop the game They've used the money to develop the game. They've used it for for good reasons It's not like they just took everybody's money and ran with it or something like that. It's not like it's a Some kind of scam or anything. It's it's an actual game But something like this it does seem like they're just kind of squeeze a bit more of the juice out of that lemon You know like it'd be one thing if the patch dropped and Several weeks later, they're like, we're gonna have a free weekend and during the free weekend We're going to have the price half the price of fall, right? So that if you play in the free weekend, you can then pick up the game then free weekends over and then maybe a week later They go, you know what? We're just gonna have the price like do it Make it a reward Don't make it this weird like slap across the face because I bought the game two days prior to your announcement That just feels so bad. Yeah, it's like they either really thought about it or they really didn't think about it Yeah, one of the two there was no in the middle. Yeah, literally not in between Um, it was yeah, it was either nefarious or ignorant one of the two. Yep It just oh, it pains me because I really want to talk well about fault because it's it's a fun game Like I played a couple matches before we started and had a great time playing But then stuff like this happens where they they drop the patch and then three days later Is when they announced that they're going to do the price drop like what the fuck man Just drop the price with the patch yeah, oh and I think that's actually about Everything we had to cover we covered the balance patch where they nerfed phase, which thank God phase was Oppressive yeah quite a pushy that strong. I didn't realize I was like With her was her blind does almost as much as a giddy and rock. Oh, you can damage to yes And you could link you could link to somebody offensively so that they get stunned that I thought while they're linked You walk up to them a hit blind They get hit with your blind and they get hit with the blind that you're applying to them So they take a double giddy and rock and then get stunned. Oh Yeah, that's so gay I mean you can still red rover the shit out of people like link to your carry and walk them They either side of them and blind and they take that middle damage But now it's a little less oppressive and they've made the blind cost a little more and get her mana overall At least they hot-fixed it, right? Yeah, I'm glad they fixed it But I would rather see an optimization patch to be honest than of course patch for face Yeah, and the funny thing to me Mangus is they didn't nerf sort of souls. Oh my god They tweaked other items, but they didn't nerf sort of souls and that blows my mind Where do you know item which ones Alan you were with me in that game where I was playing twin blast, right? Yeah, where you yeah, you were like oh six and then suddenly 12 6 like oh just because you bought one item Yeah, yeah broken. Is that that armor shredding one? No It's a purple item. Yeah, so you gain power and I don't know what the second stat is on it But passive on it is that you gain power for every minion you kill up to 75 times Oh, this item is one of the cheapest item Hold to your items in the game and gives you the most power of any item in the game Yeah, once it's finished it gives you 10% more attack power that shouldn't be an item That doesn't make any sense that's poor balance Didn't think about that. Yeah 20 minutes into the game. I was one and six on twin blast When we finished the game 45 minutes later. I was 14 and 8 Like I finished that item and they just started dunking on people like it was nothing It's wild and like the enemy But I mean there's kind of a balance to it because the sparrow who didn't build that item built other better starting items and Kind of dunked on me for the first half of the game But yeah, once I completed that sort of souls it was there was shit they could do about it See that sounds like the item to just build right up. It is everybody way everybody's building that you can build Yeah, it's stupid the cheapest item in the game or one of the cheapest items in the game It's ridiculous. I built it on Greystone and like my team was getting Dictal in the entire time. I was like my towers down. I'll start roaming and and we'll start getting kills Don't worry. I've got I've got my sort of soul stacked up. We're good Walked into a team Greystone walked into a team fight Quadra kill was a was about to swing in on the bellica for the final strike on my pit to kill in our phase You like to be back I almost had a pit to kill on Greystone. Oh my god just from finishing that stupid fucking sword Huh, yeah, that sword is a little broken a little broken. Oh Shit, all right, let's move on to overprime though. Do you guys have anything else you wouldn't talk about fault? Yes, I did Fang Mao Apparently he has emotes in the store Abilities are listed in the ability section of the settings I didn't even notice that cool. I guess what the heck like this It was either thought out or ignorant like What and so there's big announcements about it. They were making on Sunday. I was like, oh, they're just gonna announce Fang Mao That's everybody knows he exists already. No free weekend. What and I expected the first patch to fix it It didn't he's still the settings are still there. I don't know what's going on I'll put the tinfoil hats away man. They're just trying to I didn't have to open the game files or anything Hypothesizing that first time we were playing to when I was playing with bearded and like every other person that came into his chat Hey, did you guys see the thing now? It's in the Everybody My gosh, dude. Oh, man. Okay. Now. Let's move on to overprime Not much coming out of prime this this week. They've been the ones that have been really Turning out the the updates but this week. We just saw a got a look at Iggy and Scorch in their work in progress Which is really cool to see Definitely a fan favorite Iggy and Scorch um, I don't know I Judging by their other hairs. Do you guys think Iggy and Scorch is a good hero for them to add in right now? I think do you think that he would be added in by the time they actually released the game? I Maybe go for it. I'll go for it I think Iggy and Scorch is actually going to be a valuable addition to any of the mo any of the para zombies Because having a character that places Terrence is a huge shift in how the game works when they're in the game The downside to that is Iggy and Scorch and Paragon were always a problem They were either weak or overpowered. There was no in between and so I'd be curious to see What these games are going to do with Iggy and Scorch to not have that be the case And so that's my biggest concern with putting Iggy and Iggy and Scorch into any of them not even just overprime I kind of disagree with you Because with what overprime is doing I feel like that character although I mean they could change the kits We've already seen that but with it's what we think of the kit. I just don't think it would fit I mean you're already starting with all your abilities level one And so now you have to deal with turrets with minions and you're doing low damage early on I mean Heimerdinger in league. He's kind of annoying, but Like it's not like you could drop three turrets immediately. I mean he could They're easy to take out like unless they just do that and find a way to balance it But it for such a fast-paced game that I've seen in all the gameplay like running around turrets is Iggy You know slapping your tail on the ground. I don't know. It just feels weird to me um Which which ultimate didn't you guys prefer his original ultimate or the the second one whereas turrets all turned into machine guns Uh the machine gun one because you already kind of had like that self peel of The slapping tail and running away and then igniting it I thought the knock away was kind of silly I For early Iggy and Scorch because they were like one of my first mains in paragon. Oh my god Like aside from Calari Calari doesn't count but Iggy. I remember Iggy and Scorch coming out and being like in love with them instantly Yeah, and so they had a good personality I love the original kit, but I would say for balance reasons the second kid is definitely better I like the first one that Especially back when decker's cage dealt damage you could drop people You could drop the cage on people and then Iggy could push them into the cage So they're taking damage from his ultimate and taking damage from her cage and you could just delete people like that Well, I'm kind of remembering that too now. Yeah, it was stupid. You just kind of animation locked in like Uh, I don't know. We'll have to see though. I don't know. I I just want them to add crunch crunch would fit perfectly You know, oh, there's yeah, holy shit. You're speaking my language now I loved crunch dude. Never got to master him. But god damn use my family I hadn't mastered in that mastery skin on crunch looks so fire So good literal fire. That's the reason I mastered him. That's the only reason I started playing crunch I saw his master skin. I was like Dude, I want that Then once I started playing him. I was like, holy fuck. He's fun. Yeah, didn't they show off like those other skins that uh epic release but like in the over prime world like the airplane one the black suit Uh, I've we've seen them somewhat in their um concepts. Yeah concept art and stuff I don't think we've seen any of those particular skins on their map Most of the skins that we've seen them display actually in their game have been um solely specific Yeah intellectual body skins Yeah Which are all fucking bad ass like that Rampage skin which I'm really thinking that's a rampage skin that we saw last week. It's gotta be king kong look at ass like I said Yeah, he doesn't slam anyway Just the concepts that we've seen too like the bellica racer skin that shit looks dope as fuck And then like the lego howitzer like what a great idea. It's just they're all so good lego howitzer Yeah, I'll I'll send you a I'll send you a picture of it when I can it's uh, I'm scrolling. Oh this one You call that lego I don't know if you're looking at the right shit. Maybe not. I can see what you're looking at like it's all right The one that I'm talking about is obviously lego's there's like little Lego circles. It's so good. It's the one I'm looking at It's okay All right, um, and then just the other thing for overprime They just announced that they are uh, they're expanding their discord to Accommodate more languages because their community is growing so fast And I've seen that from my end too the overprime community and the amount of people that are actually looking forward to overprime now Has grown exponentially in the past month or two as as they've been Turning out these updates I know I popped on the train now We've seen that in the popularity polls man goose is that their numbers have been slowly increasing Over time And I'm sure it's only gonna get more so as they come to their release theoretically this month Right I got so excited when they they showed off that scud gameplay. I was like, whoa, wait a minute This looks so much better than the last time I saw them playing this game Yeah, who actually uses his actual name instead of calling him murdoch. I know right Because it's a different game Listen Hey, I was I was poking around the discord. I'm like, yo, when do I get to play von rover, huh? And then like the von rover guy like responded to me. He was like eyeball emoji. I'm like, what the fuck that's you Also, by the way, do they watch this? Yo bumblebee hasn't given me anything Okay, I'll hit him up again. See what's up. Maybe they maybe they don't want you to be a creator Yeah, get out please I really like your game No, I'll hit him up. I think you would definitely be an asset to their team Yeah, uh, yeah, I'll see what's up with that um That's all I had for over problem. Unless you guys had something else No, other than like I said, it looks a lot better than the last time Like the last time I saw them they were playing on like the monolith map and it looked really cartoony Because everyone felt bigger than the map itself and they were all like zooming around like 800 miles per hour stairs flying cremaxes. I'm like This looks terrible It looked like they were walking on top of a picture of the map as opposed to walking through through the environment But I mean that's one of the many things that they polished up and changed. Yeah. Yeah so I oh, oh and I did see because I was I was poking around I was like, yo guys got any von rover gameplay You know, oh, yeah, I checked the steam page. I did. I was like That's my guy He looked he looked a little weak though. It looks like he needed to look a little weak They mentioned death crawler and I was like, oh great. We're bringing that back Fine, it's the only viable option to use on him. Give me something else, man I tried so hard in paragon to do like fast like a tax speed crit on uh on revenant Where like you're shooting faster reloading fast, but you're doing a lot of damage And after I switched to death crawl, I'm like, I can't that's useless. This is terrible I'm gonna shoot slower and reload forever, but like god damn. It's so much more damage Especially because you need to burst with him. His reload went faster with a tax speed. I forgot all about that mechanic Do I need to be able to do like what I do in league on gin go 100% crit and then just crit people for like 1100 damage a shot Like that's fun But I'm excited. It's not fun for the person getting crit Nope. Hey That's fine. You know 80cs. We need our we need our love because everyone shits on 80cs. Anyway fucking mages Don't give me that All right, uh, let's move on to predecessor nothing We got nothing for predecessor, but since we do have raven here I want to get your uh, your thoughts on predecessor. You're with your experiences with the game Oh, is that my cue? That's your cue Okay, so Yeah, no, I play a little bit of Not the last test where they had howitzer and it was like the new map and drongo is there What I said, well, nobody played that one. Oh, well, I don't know some people did Some people did but it wasn't me. I was away on a uh At a wedding and I was like, I'm so excited to play tomorrow And then that's when I heard that everything shut down. I'm like, okay, never mind No, but I mean from what I played before A lot of fun. I mean, I even had my one buddy who has never played paragon before He was playing with me during that play test. Oh, he was having a lot of fun I mean it just it felt good. It was smooth. I didn't have any like hitching lagging They changed I played in two of them I guess because it was the first item set and then they kind of adjusted some of the items because I was Fucking run around 100 crit murdoch doing like 900 damage in a lot of just deleting people. I'm like, this is silly So they switched the items up. They changed it. They added some new ones. It was good And actually when they added the new ones sparrow felt much better to me Because I didn't like sparrow before but when they added the new items She felt good uh Excited to try drongo and howitzer the new howitzer kit looks cool Where he's flying around, you know shooting missiles in the air Good, uh good evacuation old two if you're getting ganked or something and then just kind of hover away somewhere under tower uh but From the the new map looks kind of cool and honestly That's like what everyone's excited for is predecessor because they've had the most success. They've had the most like funding uh community interaction whatever it may be but I do I think it's at the top still for the majority? Sure, but like honestly like overprime and like predecessor Overprime for me is actually a little bit higher. I don't know. I kind of I'm enjoying that fast-paced Uh playstyle. It looks a lot of fun Kind of thinking about a comment that I was reading um earlier today on one of my videos the way I The way they put it was just like a little over my head, but I was kind of thinking about it like predecessor feels like some like uh A group of accomplished actors are recreating a Shakespeare play Whereas overprime feels like that 90s Romeo and Juliet with all the neon modernized with That's what overprime feels like And fault fault has felt like they've gotten close To be in those professional actors, but for the most part it kind of feels like a high school drama team Yeah, they're like the overly ambitious teacher radio shack that went out of business director Like that's a great way to put it actually because that's bought on that's so spot-on I mean patch 13 felt very professional and smooth and clean and god They would have done a free weekend during patch 13 when fault was at its finest They would be in such a better position now. I god i'm I'm kind of a little bit dreading this free weekend if they can't get their their shit together by the time the weekend comes Comes around but that's actually even better for the analogy because the dress rehearsals are always better than the actual play So Such a perfect analogy for this man See the thing is too though is like I said like I'm a little bit more excited for overprime, but The thing with predecessors, that's the one that feels the most like Paragon if I had to say like fault they deviated a little overprime. They definitely deviated the predecessor They've kind of stuck with what paragon was doing and then just slightly improving upon it Which and that's why a lot of people still like it I'm looking forward to it Well, now that we're talking about all the games at once sort of right now. Let's get into the popularity poll 600 votes this time when I actually tallied it Predecessor at 54 fault at 12 percent ethereal at 14 percent and overprime at 20 percent so About what it was the last time. I think fault has dropped a little bit Ethereal stayed about the same and overprime has stayed about the same and then pred pred just went down like to They went up like two percent from last time. I did the poll And seeing faults stay the same after a big patch and an announcement of a free weekend scares me beyond all reason I was gonna say like I get it though because it's like fault still doesn't have like that It's not what people really want I think it's still just like a filler game to be honest and like I'm not trying to shit on the company strange matter, but like with the Competition of multiple games trying to do more or less the same thing You know, there's gonna be those ones that fault to the side Like I think eventually one's gonna take over or two, but I don't think it could be all three or four For the fourth one is gonna stand out on its own so but that's faults I think this Community this popularity poll which I realized is a small percentage of people, right? But it shows that that concept is very prevalent that even faults having a Good patch and a free weekend Does not excite people That is not that's not something that that takes people's votes off of something else that they're excited for And that's a bad sign. That's The people that are going out and voting on this are theoretically like some of the diehards of the community And they're not they're not showing and that's a bad thing. That's a bad sign for sure Have you thought about expanding your poll to like Off youtube as well and then like adding the votes from somewhere else like a discord or something for twitter Uh, I suppose I could It's just easiest for me to do it on youtube, but Maybe get a bigger Paragon subreddit. I'm sure you'd get a ton of Interesting votes there people still look at that They do Paragon subreddit's been blowing up recently. I really yeah. Fuck. I should check it out again fucking um Here's the thing too like we saw that huge increase in the numbers for the popularity poll whenever I did that I mean I did a video about over prime and then I did the poll Well, like during while the poll was going and we saw a huge increase in the numbers I was kind of expecting that for fault because I did do a video about fault's new patch In between and you know, these votes are coming from my community people that watch my videos Really not big much of a big increase in the in the fault numbers telling you And mangoes we were talking about it earlier Fault peak of players is like 2950 This free weekend. I think will be a very clear indicator Of If fault is going to be sustainable long term. I think from a community perspective Mm-hmm with a strange matter what wants to continue it. That's one thing But if the free weekend where literally anyone that wants to play can play If that doesn't break fault's initial numbers, that's a problem. That's a huge like Sign of the community does not like this game Yeah, it's gonna be free whatever it's like. Why not try it? Exactly So if it's free and you're still not trying it, then uh, yeah, it's an issue I've seen I've been seeing a lot of new players in fault though Either new or returning players The few games I just played I didn't I was I'm like, I don't know any of you people Like you lie you're high levels and you got the mastery skins already. I'm just like The only person I saw that I knew it was a little dash. That was it I played against your one game, but Ah How those mastery things work anyway, dude, I saw someone like mastery six and they already had like the the big mastery skin I don't understand It's based on your previous games too. So it it took into account all the games you've already played Oh, so like you could be master already, but still like level four. I guess in the new thing. Okay Well, it's different tears to like you've got diamond one through ten Mastery through ten Oh Yeah, so like I didn't know that like I was I was silver nine on decker played one game and now I'm gold one Oh, so it's gonna take a long time, Sam Oh, yeah, yeah, unless yeah, unless you're pappy and you've already played over a thousand games of rick It's all a master quang in my game earlier Well, that's the wolf. That's an ambitious person. It was nice too. Quang master. Oh my god Doesn't name great acts or something like that Good player. Good, dude. Listen as soon as one of these games can be playable and they got their take on revenant Bro, I'm in there I'm in there I don't but yeah Let's uh, let's move on from the popularity poll and get into the discussion topic Which is how can uh, how can they best use their communities? Um I I come up with this like last week But I had a perfect example of how of what not to do again God, I hate to beat up one fault But I found a pretty big bug while while fucking around with in pve today on gideon and um I didn't know where to report the bug like I was looking in the in the game There's no where to report the bug. I looked at their discord note There was no place to report bugs looked at their um website no place to report bugs They're in early access. They need a place Where players can easily report bugs and like this one was I If you back up against the wall with gideon and then uses his teleport the other end of the portal goes behind you So if you go to certain points like glitch out of the map Yeah, if you go to certain points where the map is per map walls are fairly thin You can portal outside of the map and not only that I had some friends come in with me in pve and they were able to jump through my portal and come outside of the map with me Wow So if I was in a team fight near near like my near like the inhibitors and I was getting Fucked up. I could just back up against the wall and disappear Shazam And that's who I I know they used to have a way to report bugs in the game. Yes, they did I I didn't realize it was gone, which if Remove that that's a bad idea if it's there I couldn't find it and if you can't find it after looking then there's something wrong You need to make that a lot more visible. Yeah, absolutely But that's how a lot of these companies need to be using these players is as testers since they can't really afford to pay You know professional game testers to test their games So that's one of the examples that I have How they can best use their communities Yeah, absolutely I'm gonna relate it to hood again because you know small games small community, but you look at them And very minimal people working on the game, but I mean we've been they have the bugs They have the feedback suggestions tab in their discord, but It's just it's like it's just going on deaf ears Like I said, they've they pushed out new content. They haven't fixed the bugs every day The last time we got a balance patch like legit like balance the outlaws was when they nerfed Marianne with her speed shooting that was like That was like before september Okay, I think that's what I was still playing Yeah, because the last major patch was adding eta and that was season one and that was the beginning of september We're now in season two And we didn't get anything They put out maybe a patch a month maybe so It's it's scary because we always give them this feedback And it's just like I don't know like it's just a go against their vision They said they always wanted to be not competitive, but with a game community so small To me it seems silly that you're not going to listen to them and then evolve to go in that direction If something's not working, why are you going to keep pushing it? You know it that just that's the insanity, right? So it's weird to me that they're not adapting And like as a small community, there's a point where you can say all right Yeah, we should listen to them and do what that that's a good idea But yeah, there's times where it's like this guy's an idiot. Like why are we listening to him? Like what you can ignore that? Yeah, but in their case they need to listen It's a fine balance You have to find of listening to your players versus keeping to what you want and what your game to be What do you want your game to be? I think a prime example of this is Paragon the players They they listened to some players and ignored the rest And it showed it showed so much That it ruined the game for all but this tiny mass of players And that was a problem And then they just completely stopped listening across the board which then made it even worse They they overcompensated in both directions And finding that middle ground finding the balance of listening to your players But also holding to the vision that you want for your game is Incredibly difficult, but you have to do it. You have to it's an ever-moving needle. It's not something. It's going to stay static Yeah, you can't just listen to everything that everybody wants and demands, of course But with especially with Paragon there was a very well thought out Feedback like people were telling them what the problem was and offering Pretty good solutions to those problems and epic's like Here have Tara that'll fix it Yep, you know basically Dude, we've been complaining about razor robin for months Because razor robin became parent when they fixed Marianne so it's been rampant for over four months now And guess what the dev said I swear to god the devs he said just parry When you are fully blind with no stamina just parry Because it's robin, you know, he just he's the ranged character, but he's punching all you gotta do is parry him Okay, without stamina. How are you supposed to do that without stamina? Eating, you know three cores of my health with one running punch. Also, they fucks it Dude, their last patch with the season two. They didn't even Say everything they changed like they adjusted the walls. I don't remember outposts But you were able to spawn camp as robin along the walls And then we were playing it one day and I looked and I'm like I kept running back and forth I'm like, what the fuck is this guys? Am I going crazy? Like why are the walls taller? They didn't mention that in the patch then they also fucked up the stamina So now when you're out of stamina, you used to not be able to crouch now when you're out of stamina You can crouch so now robin flash bangs are Useless again because you could flash someone and then you could just sit there and do this little chicken dance Why you're trying to aim and line up a headshot? You can't do it anymore And they fucked up again because with mariana robin when you do your running attack That was that you could only do like two three at a time. You could do seven in a row now But your regular melee is you can only do two to three So they fucked that up too and it's just like they don't say any of this It's crazy to me. I just Yeah, that's my round hood Well Getting back to communities. Get getting back to the communities. Yeah I think over prom did a great job of using their community to its fullest advantage with their little competitions that they did um One thing I see those predecessor Is not capitalizing on the huge amount of community support that they have right now Like there's not much interaction between predecessor and their community Certainly not as much as there used to be you still see smoky show up in some streams every now and then which is Fantastic smoky such an awesome dude. They yeah They need to use smoky They need to use smoky and put his face out there to have him be the face of omeda studios Because he's obviously just a personable nice guy that people get along with and he He's already showing up in people's streams and stuff. He shows up in the ethereal streams just to check out ethereal But yeah, he does. Absolutely. That's and it's we rarely see him anymore the All of these communities especially small communities, but even big ones right even if you look at league of legends All of them have a face all of them have someone that way the players go like Who who do I know? Who do I know on the dev team? Right, you can think of somebody. There's a definitive person that you can think of Ryan red is a big one. Ryan red and sylphan are the big ones for false Myself and skifter are the big ones for ethereal Overprime, I don't know who they are, but I know people exist. I get mentioned all the ranger I see ranger all the time ranger. Yes, right? Fred doesn't have that smoky used to be that but he's not anymore Well, like taiga does their marketing right, but I taiga strike But I haven't heard from him in a while either But taiga me seems like their marketing guy not the face I don't you him as The guy to to talk to the guy that is representing the game Smoky, I definitely view that way more But he hasn't been in the last nine months And it just feels like that's a void that they don't have filled right now Yeah, they need to be taken advantage of this lead that they have Because they fault has a game they don't but they're still in the lead Use that Like start expanding beyond the pair of refugees Use this community that you've built up to build up hype for your game a little bit So that you do have a much bigger player base coming into this than anybody else They they they can do that they have that ability if they leverage their community, but they don't do anything I got an idea For a community event for them Well, they have everyone record themselves and be like, why are you excited for predecessor? You know could be a really short thing. They can wrap that up into a nice community video Oh man, and then boom at the end of it. They show, you know more gameplay or new heroes or something like that be great That would be a really cool video too Like show some gameplay and then show just a random person from the community Not like a big stream or anything just a regular dude that likes the game or or girl talking about how they like Or gender neutral trying to get myself cancelled over here a random person Yeah, yeah, okay jelly with your correct words Yeah, random just show a random person in the middle of the gameplay Just talking about why they're excited for predecessor and what they love about it and you know That would be great. That would be awesome Overprime hurt. Sorry. No overprime processor hire me Save me from Home Depot. There's something that uh, solely did um, I don't know if he wants me to talk about it or not But I'm sure we're going to have him on the show pretty soon Is pappy pappy plays the guy has like a he had well over a thousand Richter matches in paragon. He has well over a thousand Richter matches in fault And um, like solely reached out to him and asked his opinion on how they should develop Richter like That's a great fucking idea. He obviously knows Richter like he may not know the game all that great You know, he's good at all the positions But he definitely knows Richter and knows what Richter should feel like Especially coming from paragon to a new game Like I would like to see that more. I'd like to see companies reaching out to some of the players that are obviously Extremely proficient with a certain hero and trying to get a little bit of a little bit of feedback from them It's funny that you mentioned that because one of the like back-end devs on hood actually was like DM me on discord I was like, hey, I want your opinion on like the new game mode And like what do you think because I know you play robin a lot and you're very good at the game You know yourself and I was like, oh, this is great. They didn't take any of it, but I mean it was cool I know riot does that with league that if they're reworking a champion or they're coming out with a new champion that fits The same play style as a different champion They'll go to the high level one tricks of that champion and have them test out the new one and say Good bad otherwise, whatever whatever their feedback is. That's huge That's something that your community values because it feels like They pulled the representative from the community to help make decisions But also in general it makes that player feel valued because their time invested on a character isn't Just time invested now it's a mountain to helping something helping develop something better further. Whatever it may be Hmm Yeah, I don't even have master rick or in fault I don't even have diamond rick or in fault. I couldn't believe it High-gold Baby high-gold All right, hi. Did you guys have any other ideas for how they how they can leverage their communities? Or what the community is going to do for them? I I think For what the communities can do for them Uh with maybe the exception of overprime because of their solely backing The other projects are all still in the indie devs They don't have The most experience in this regard They're still using assets that they didn't create in a lot of cases except for ethereal But even ethereal's got different challenges to address Is cut them some slack, right? I'm willing to cut fault some slack their most recent patch They fumbled on right. I will cut them all the slack, but that is something that they fumbled on Right there there is a give and take on both ends Just and we talked about it on uh, I think it was easy this week man goose And also when you're not a fan of one that doesn't mean You go dog on it Just let it exist without your input, right? Just if you're a fan of predecessor be a fan of predecessor more power to you It doesn't mean you have to go out and dog on everything else. Yeah Well, I had an idea for fault like you can do custom games, right? Yeah, if you have a full 10 so Hood reference quick, but we as a community The guy actually the guy who organized doesn't even play anymore But he organized a tournament for hood in a game that you can't do custom matches in unless you Everyone turns off cross play and you have like the same eight or the two teams queue at the same time but like That brought attention to the game the devs Kind of looked at him. We're like, oh cool like this great guys But then they you know again didn't go off on that competitive You know the way but like you could do that for fault, right? Someone set up a tournament fault get some teams together. I think it'd be great They had money for the hood one, but that was community funded money Yeah, if it's community led I have no problem with that as long as the developers themselves don't try and start Some fucking e-sports shit But if it comes grassroots from the community then that would be awesome It'd be cool to see the developers say we love what you guys are doing here We're gonna offer some rewards of the winning team gets a skin the winning team gets something in game that being Being able to go to the tournament the community led tournament and offer endorsement is one thing Running it yourself isn't oh, yeah And the one of the tournaments that they did before was run by their like second Company, however, it was done That they're like fault one of the fault metrics is oh, yeah, that's run by devs And they're the ones who put the tournament together. Yeah. Oh, that's that's not better That's not trying to separate it does not make it non dev run. You're not solving a problem To coordinate that over prime had their own problem. They had that tournament a long time ago I think I think this is before they even were acquired by net marble But they put a tournament together that failed hard Like the first match went like three fucking hours or some shit like oh my god And it was to the point that they couldn't even hold all the games because all the games were going stupidly long Hey, man, I think it's they wouldn't they're trying to be faster Yeah, maybe they figured it out now, but who knows I hope so You know you got over you got a what the fucking your prime guardian running down mid lane I'm fucking pumped to play some uh Some over prime once it comes out just to see what I'm so excited. Yeah It's gonna be so weird all your abilities level one Yeah, just fucking style on someone not just auto attacking them in one ability It just takes that decision point away really like Some some heroes you just know what you're gonna level up But like especially if I'm playing Gideon I won't level up an ability until I know for sure I'm not going to get ganked right, you know Because as soon as I get ganked I level up that e and piece piece out. Yep Yeah, so you don't have to think too much. She's just more play and react. Yeah I think be cool. Yep All right, did you guys have anything else? I think that's it Pretty good, but my opinion's out there. Okay, right on. Well, let's move on to uh plugs then Raven what you got to plug? Oh, oh Plugging um I'm taking a little break right now for streaming just for like the holidays I'm I think I'm gonna be streaming on Christmas, but if not, I'll be back to it But it's raven on youtube youtube.com slash raven spelt with my name evan twitch is raven gg And if you want to support me monetarily Patreon Is it I don't know what the exact link is off time ahead, but patreon raven look it up So it'll be in it'll be down in the description. Okay, there you go Jelly uh just my twitch twitch.tv slash jelly niece Streaming at least on mondays for marvellous monday eight o'clock mountain time um Mine's not jelly. Oh look at that But yeah, do marvellous monday every monday at eight o'clock mountain time And that's about it. What about you man? You say it now. How do you now? Man No, I got nothing to plug and just uh been getting a lot of comments talking about how they really appreciate us doing this This particular show in general and I just make hits me right here every time I get one of those comments I'm really happy that this is being helpful for the community. I know it's Hard to keep your your mind on all of these games all at once and hopefully we've uh We've done a little bit of good in the world by keeping you updated on what's the most important things that have been going on But uh, don't you know if you're particularly interested in one game or another just check out their discord Is probably the best place for any kind of info and I have all uh all that stuff linked down in the description below But I think that is going to close it out for this week Appreciate you coming out watching if you're watching the premiere if you're watching the video I appreciate you too, but uh, that's going to be it. We're going to sign off for this week. You guys have a good one Later Right even let me get to say thanks for having me. No Oh Did you have final thoughts you should have said it while you know, I just want to say thanks for having me Then this is a lot of fun. I appreciate talking to you guys again. Well, then guess what I'll just put this in the show Oh, you're so recorded. Yeah, I'm still recording Well, you don't want some crazy outro mangos where we just laugh and laugh I'm just waiting for raven to tell me that to tell me he's gracious So, thank you guys. Appreciate you having me, you know, I'm just talking to you, but I'm glad that we can do this for the communities I don't know. Let's start dancing there Roll the mangos man Special shout out to foolish blood hunter jelly knees meow mix for men stunt farinth and raven