 Hello there and many thanks for keeping it wide to 5-4 in the morning I am here to talk about the big four agenda as the state of the nation so much noise has been made and so ambitious agendas were put on the table and we want to see where we are three months down the line we are in March already the first quarter of the year and the big four agenda seems to have been forgotten we are speaking about the universal health coverage we have a lockest invasion we have so many reports to be implemented including the maize one and the sugar in the western region keep it wide to 5-4 and send in your comments to all our social media platforms that wide to 5-4 channel my handle is Atmarani Hilary this morning I am joined by political analyst Mathiora Kariyara he is a very famous face to you people you know I remember he was in the presidential bid in 2017 and also a sub-chariot political analyst good morning gentlemen good morning it's a pleasure to have you here now let's jump right into 8 the big four agenda just like I have mentioned a lot has been said and a lot has been done in regards to the big four agenda when it was fronted before people said and critics believed it's an ambitious dream it can't be fulfilled and three years down the line there is a disruption because of other things the government wants to do but also we have the big four agenda remember when we talk about the universal health coverage we had the Cuban doctors come to a country who knows what happens to them we had the pilot of the universal health coverage to issue a lot of machakos and kisumu if I'm not wrong where is the report do you know what's happening still on matters held we have the coronavirus that is being said could be we had a scare on Friday and it has been watered down so who knows the truth we will never know we are talking about the full security we have the locust invasion so without further ado was it a miss or it's a hit the big four is a miss definitely because you evaluate the results on the ground and they do not compare to anything that had been promised but this is not new this government has been a spectacular failure from the very beginning when they came to us back in 2013 gave us the manifesto you remember how beautiful how colourful how enticing it was Kenyans bought it believing that even if they delivered just a tiny fraction of it we would do so much better as a nation but they did not so during the second time even after launching a new manifesto they condensed that into the big four and given the dry runs they have done like you just mentioned about the piloting they did on the you had seen well according to the results they got they decided to roll it nationally that's across all the counties but the reality is even the pilot scheme was not successful so you'd ask yourself why would you go on and roll out the whole thing when the pilot itself did not work even just the registrations themselves having people subscribed to the UHC that did not succeed as had been envisioned now we have witnessed government machinery being hijacked for private personal battles and that's what has always sold these nations shots right now there is a new baby that's been pushed to the people when they should be focusing on delivering on the big four last week if I will take you back we had this incident in Mandera we have a defence force like no other in the region and yet our neighbours in the north felt confident enough to encroach into our territory now that speaks of incompetence so if we are not even able to protect our people how then can we deliver in housing matters health the lockers have been here now I don't know for how long actually people have even invented new ways of playing games with the lockers they are even making necklaces with them because the government has failed to act on this man is that's going to threaten our food security so to me I don't think I need to belabor the point that the big four is a big miss alright how about you Chereo, was it a hit or a miss the big four agenda I want to agree with my good friend here Kariera what he said like almost everything is a miss this government at the beginning as we know our government of Kenya always have good things they draft good things it's as good as a bride then all of a sudden they look it went as a miss because they don't implement it the issue is implementation every time they talk of a new thing like in the new baby my good friend has touched on it's so good I mean it's enticing but agreeing on it it will never happen the big four agenda at first it was like ok Huru Kenyatta was going to leave a legacy on good Kenya on the side of health but now when you look at the health if it was not for devolution we thank God because of devolution they devolve some health issues and now it's working in counties if it was a national thing then health it will be in a miserable place now because the government are the top machineries like the ministers have been used in politics they are losing focus if you see the minister of interior security some always playing major of this work in politics and like sitting in office and implementing things what he said about the Mandera thing we were even like the people were shocked and they were running out of Mandera looking for safety the US were almost declaring Kenya is under armed conflict with the Somalia guys it's in a mess when you look at the issue of locust the issue of corona we are spending a lot in some things other than like we find like the government is very sharp in spending on the huduma number thing they spend a lot of money around 15 billion the same case in BBI the BBI thing they spend a lot and it will not come to help a common manaji now the real thing is it's like they are playing games up there and it's so helping us in reality so they should just come on draw a real thing which will help us the big four agenda it was as good as the vision 2030 but we are almost reaching there and we are not seeing even like promising things which they have done to reach their target in 2030 so for me they are in a mess Kariera saying because now both of you agree it's a mess who then can we fault we have the cabinet secretary we have the members of parliament to come up with bills and creating laws that will enable the big four agenda being driven to the right point we have the citizenry who do we fault for the lack of delivery the back stops with the president the cabinet secretary is that we just mentioned they are pointed by the president and then that chain goes that way all the way down you go to parliament the jubilee party of which the president is the leader has the majority so if it was about regulation legislation they would have it if their desire was to serve so the back clearly stops with the president that's the person we need to blame and we need to do better than just blame we need to fire him for failing this nation now it's the big four we've spoken about over the weekend or the past couple of days we've seen the deputy president that's the other half of the presidency come out in public and protest that his own security is not guaranteed when a government is not able to guarantee the security of such a top official how safe then is you and me who are on the ground in the hood in the villages you see the failure by this government like I started by saying has been catastrophic the president should have acted unfortunately he's running out of time we pray to God that this COVID-19 threat does not come to compound the problems you're already facing otherwise things will be very dire we are talking about development projects health infrastructure housing creating jobs through manufacturing all that has failed but it's going to get even worse if information gets out there that this government is even struggling to pay employees government offices and not been paid on timers should be the case so they can deliver services to the people you just mentioned of infrastructure and development and I remember some of the projects rather are ensured because of corruption cases like Kimurel and Aroldams and I also hear another project that had stopped will now begin very soon but the question is does it mean everyone who is on board in this government is corrupt and then how do we find ourselves here because of course the promises were sweet and when they promise actually any person who gives you good deal you go for it you don't care how much how they will deliver it but then does it mean this government everyone who went on board is corrupt Hilary the way to put it is this government orchestrated and supervised the looting of public resources how? well through number one borrowing so they could steal the projects they were supposed to implement you count them take for instance the famous SGR the cost was inflated and then besides the feasibility studies that had been done they came and extended the railway into Suswa that is straight into nowhere so it's not delivering results so you look at this whole system and you look for a particular person to blame and it has to be everyone in that chain like I told you this system we think that it is failing but then it's not failing it was designed not to work so that in the inefficiencies people wouldn't reach themselves and that's the tragedy of this nation alright Shariot who would you blame for this for a lot of the idea everything is going down who would you say is to be blamed a good question we know of since the second term of Huru Kenyatta it's a jubilee leader although some like the economy went down I mean during the time of Kibaki the economy was improving and now it's staggering and even like determined that you're walking down when you when you see like okay of course the person to be blamed is the leader of the day that's Huru Kenyatta we know that every government entity or let's say every project as you said is ensorded by master and ambiguous fraud that's corruption and even like a false tender and what's happening in the country it's around all the ministries or all the boards in the government have been touched by this monster of corruption and now if the leader is silent on the same because you cannot at the end of the day if there is a corruption here we must know or if there is a fire which has been lit here we must know we should get whoever will lit it you cannot tell me that when Kimuare down corruption thing came the government must know like they know who did that like the former NYS case like we all knew that there was some individual who were caught it's so sad that they were taken to court and nothing happened to them you know like prosecuting a corruption case it needs a political will and now if Huru is silent on these things like corruption then of course the money will be flamed in the people's pockets and now the economy will be going down because even those people in offices they will be working very hard and trying to be very intelligent in how to still or to corrupt money more than how to improve the economy you may find someone in the president's office is very busy on looking on some like tenders and how to scoop a thing out of it how to get a money, how to get in any project which has been given you may find some big big staffs in the government trying to get something out of it through corruption and they will not be focusing much on providing services to the people or providing like improving the economy of the country they will be like working for themselves and that has been happening in most of the big offices here and now the person to be blamed is Huru Kenyatta because if you are the father of a family and things get like worse in your family you cannot tell me your wife will be the one to blame but it's you so let's narrow down to specifics now let's talk about food security a couple of weeks ago I think around 3 we had a report submitted to the state house by the council of governor's chair and some other officials that were selected to deal with the report on the mumia sugar and other companies around that region that was about sugar we had another one a report for the maize that they need to be implemented we've been having a problem as a nation and the big four agenda one of them was the food security now where we sit right now would we say we are safe in terms of food security will we see ourselves go for imported maize or don't fund it because we are dying of hunger previously we've had hunger strike this nation and we didn't have locusts then our problem has always been in planning where we wait and then we're hit by a disaster and then we react this year we've had sufficient rains but unfortunately we did not plan well enough so I anticipate a scenario where when the rubber hits the road we're going to have a worse crisis than we've had before that is expected we've had all these reports done scientifically by people who are competent they've been to the ground but then implementation of the recommendations that has always been the problem I do not expect for this year to be different actually my advice to people is we should be prepared for a worse crisis so we should be making contingencies plans because as the government has showed us they will fall short of the glory of God in delivering services to us so if you are able to save prepare for that rainy day because it's coming and not just that you see if we would have fixed the sugar belt problem would have created a number of jobs in those regions so we wouldn't have people move from the western province and Nyanza to come look for jobs that do not actually exist in Nairobi and other urban centres something that's causing the crime level to go up so the future as much as I would like to be optimistic and perhaps to find something positive to say about this government it's very difficult we as citizens at this moment need to take charge we need to stop our leaders from dividing us further we need to make them see that as patriotic citizens we are paying our taxes and we are supporting them let them focus on delivering in the jobs that we have given them because number one they have security of tenure they get paid and handsomely so so our time has come for us as citizens to now read the riot act to these leaders or dealers whatever they are because for so long they have served their selfish interests they have hijacked government machinery for elite courses and it's going to sink us deeper into the morass that we've been grappling with ok chariot I'll push you to industrialisation and housing we had many people cried out why would I build some house when I even don't have a job and most of these people would be affected by the youth now do you think the youth have been captured in the big four agenda so far I'm a youth and in the big four I think like I wish to think that the housing programme by the government was good if they could build houses and it's for cheap prices they give it to people who don't with their lower wage or income it is a good thing before even touching on youth the housing programme as we have tested it in some areas like kibra those people who are like the people who lived there before those who were evacuated before the houses were built in their places they were not even given the chance the people were given the chance to stay in those houses or like the relatives those who control it or the people who can corrupt the system to get a house now like building these houses it's a skanyans it's ensured by ambiguous things like corruption again and nepotism it's a good friend who was given a house but they were given like it was a contract he had a house but it was given to someone else again so there were two in this house but getting inside it you had to corrupt the system to get in but the person who was conflicting with had a lot of money and you ended up using the house as youth it was a good deal for the government to build these houses but now as a youth you don't know the people who can control like as youth in terms of social sociality we are down we don't know the big people in the government and you will end up like will not get through these houses that's what I know and for the big four it was only touching on generality there is no specific there is no specific draft dealing with the youth because youth we can only talk of unemployment we will talk of the government should give us internships maybe paid internships which we have been raising it for a long time but we have not yet given so if the big four was touching on that it would be good but for now it was just general for the government allow me to touch on what you said because I come from a maize farmer's place so I'm a maize farmer but now we have this crisis we have our grievances that the government look here in maize during the harvest season in our areas you are looking like you don't want to buy our maize you are giving us your bags these guys the cartels now chip in and buys maize with very low prices extremely low and even for these people they are poor they don't have anything else to sell or anything else to use normal days even to pay fees they had to sell it at that low prices but you find that these people worker tells what buying maize at that time they are the people in government they buy maize they put in stores and sell it to them so it's like a system which has been calculated for the cartels if the government is they used to say government maize are everywhere but for this maize thing they are not everywhere if the government were opening their maize they could have seen this thing try helping them even if you cannot provide for security provide for food security then we don't have life so okay let me just finish by saying that going forward we are still crying for the government to buy our maize during this harvest season at even like a moderate medium it's not even like a high prices but a medium prices to help these people because they are poor true apparently we are out of time but I would have loved us to continue with this because we still have so much to talk about the big for agenda and its requirement and what has failed and what has succeeded otherwise thank you so much for coming let me get your final recommendations as far as the state of the nation is concerned with big for agenda as a topic well I would urge the Yuta number one to seek out the right information that will help in governance because when the politicians come to them to sell them air they will be able to call it out now if you know something do not be selfish to keep that knowledge to yourself share it with your friends with your family members let us have this conversation that will help us to lift our nation from the mediocrity we are dealing with today let us kill ignorance that's the only way we are going to defeat our problems Kenya's number one problem is poverty it's not tribalism or these other disunity that people talk about let us unite against poverty everything else will just fall in place alright poverty to finish on I want also to add the government of the day you don't have to concentrate on these other things prioritise on the big for agenda as you promised us we have the manifesto for Jubilee we still have it in our offices implementation is so low the big for agendas even as now the government is united because of the handshake yes please let the two leaders the opposition the former opposition leader concentrate on the things which will help them manage but not something which can benefit them all for the youth I think we don't have to concentrate too much on the other things like the the BBI we are not part of this if we can come out and draw something to suggest for the big for because we have done so and we are waiting for the government we are waiting for the BBI team to draft the last thing so that we can see if they include what we drawn we must stand on our side as youth we are counting the leaders who are just like because they pay us more money or they can just because they come from our areas let us focus on a good Kenya the future of Kenya is on us the youth thank you alright thank you so much gentlemen for coming they have been my panellist and my career and thank you so much for being part of Y25 when the morning my name is Dereva Hillary Valis coming up next in the next segment see you again in the evening I'll be talking about women and power stay tuned goodbye