 We're here at the O'Reilly Fluent Conference in San Francisco at the Hilton Hotel. It's a beautiful day outside. We'll be here for wall-to-wall coverage today and tomorrow, covering everything that's going on here at Fluent. It's a hardcore developer conference. We're excited to be here, and as we always do, we go out, we get the smartest people we can find in the room, bring them on the cube, and ask them all the questions that you wish you could ask them. We invite you to join the conversation. Again, the hashtag for the show is FluentConf, FluentConf, send us your tweets and we will work it in the conversation. So we're joined now with Jared Overson. Welcome, Jared, to the cube. Thank you. So last night, this is my first Fluent conference, and they had this session, and it was called the Ignite Session. And I don't know, maybe you can tell us kind of what the ground rules were of the Ignite Sessions. The Ignite Talks, which I just learned about for the first time a couple of weeks ago, are a series of talks that last five minutes long, and you have to provide 20 slides and they auto-rotate every 15 seconds. So it's a very confined format, very rushed, it requires a lot of preparation, and it was the hardest presentation I've ever had to give. Well, you would never have known that by watching it. So I'm sitting in these presentations and the variety of topics were spectacular. We had this guy, Yoeman, talking about tools, and then we had Carlos talking about the 10 Commandments of Startups, which I thought was pretty good. There was conversations about imperfection and embracing imperfection, which is funny. My wife always talks about patina and how patina is a wonderful thing, and I was like, I used to think it was dense. I didn't know it was a wonderful thing, so that was good by Rachel. But Jared, yours really struck me. You were really talking about change and change in the world, change in the way we do things, and specifically applicable to what's happening in the developer world. So I wonder if you could share some of your observations and some of your insights from that. Yeah, I'm, as a developer, I'm heavily reliant on tools that judge me without needing to be yelled at by other people. I like creating tools that automate small amounts of frustration so that people have to abide by certain rules in order to gain further progress. And the talk I put together was trying to inspire people to bring those tools into the real world with all the devices we have nowadays, cell phones, laptops, game consoles, all these things that have an amazing number of sensors for relatively cheap and bringing those into the real world and affecting behavior change more directly. Yeah, there was a funny line you used about not trusting yourself to choose the best behavior. What was that line? Yeah, it was basically don't trust yourself. You're going to eat the cake when you come down at 11 o'clock at night, right? Yeah, don't let your egos convince you that you have your best intentions in mind. Yeah, and just a lot of kind of creative ways to think about the world and the business processes potentially to put in place because of all these enabling technologies to not allow me to eat the cake unless I weigh in on the scale first and make sure I pass muster. Yeah, there's a lot of opportunity nowadays and for the last 20, 30 years, the thought of regulating the physical world and technology was somewhat out of reach because of how expensive all these things are and how inaccessible the technologies are. But like I said in the talk, you have almost everyone in this entire conference right now has devices on them with upwards of... Go through that list. I mean, it was an interesting slide that you went through when you really kind of broke it down. We think of these things as our little, as our phones and they're cool, but you went through like all the parts and the phenomenal technologies that are contained in these little things. Even like simple things like proximity sensors, light sensors, gyroscopes, accelerometers, we use them right now so that it doesn't turn on when we put it close to our face or it rotates the screen when we change it, but those sensors provide a tremendous amount of information that we can use in creative ways that we're only starting to now touch the surface on. Yeah, so you're a passionate guy, obviously from the talk, you're a passionate developer. So talk a little bit about just the open source movement and how the open source movement has really changed and democratized developing and really, I think you can validate or verify, moved you out of just who you are in your day job, kind of who you are and what you do day to day, but really participating in a much bigger thing. Yeah, absolutely. I advocate for open source in San Diego. I speak at companies trying to promote open source because it's something that can almost be seen as a benefit they can provide to developers where you work at a company, but you're also building up the ecosystem around yourself so that you can use these skills directly at other companies and you build up names for yourselves. I think that it's indicative of, or the web platform is indicative of how successful open source is because it by no means is the best technology that exists out there, but it is everywhere. It's completely open and it's extremely accessible and it has succeeded time and time again when there have been massive forces trying to change it or move it, but it's been amazing 20 years and the next 10 years are almost scary to look at. Yeah, yeah, we just had our, I think as I said, we've done over 2,000 interviews on theCUBE and we just had our first guest with Google Glass on a couple of segments ago and then we had some guys at Google IO and now there's even iterations of Google Glass where you don't have everything in the unit, that's just a display device for your big, fat phone that's sitting in your pocket with the quad tour microprocessor, it's really amazing. Talk a little bit about what this conference is all about and obviously we've all got lots of connectivity and we can Skype chat and talk, but what it means to come to Fluent and what do you get out of it that you couldn't get without coming here? I personally like to support O'Reilly as much as I can throughout the course of my development career. They're books of an instrumental in teaching me what I've needed to know. I'm a big Pearl guy, so they're books where some of the best resources for Pearl as it was developing and they've shown progressive movement at every step of the way, even at their keynote this morning about changing the way that publishing happens and this conference specifically, I'm 100% JavaScript at this point, I've dabbled in a lot of different technologies but now you can do everything in JavaScript from 3D games to system administration. So this is a very important conference for me because it supports O'Reilly, gets me in touch with a lot of amazing developers and is focusing specifically on the technologies that I see being incredibly important over the course of the next decade. Yeah, well Jared, thanks for coming on theCUBE, I appreciate it, I mean, hopefully we've got those Ignite Talks somewhere on demand, because it was really a touching talk to show how things are changing and how you have to adopt change and how the technology is now getting involved in personal decisions and how we can use it through things like, you know, how many steps did you take today before you get that strawberry cheesecake that's waiting for you at home. So again, thanks for coming on, I really appreciate it. So we again, we're at the O'Reilly Fluent Conference in San Francisco, we'll be back with our next guest in just a minute, you're watching theCUBE.