 Pursuant to Chapter 20 of the Acts of 2021, this meeting will be conducted by a remote means. Members of the public who wish to access the meeting may do so in the following manner by emailing Steve McCarthy at McCarthyS at AmherstMA.gov. That's M-C-C-A-R-T-H-Y-S at AmherstMA.gov. No in-person attendance of members of the public will be permitted, but every effort will be made to ensure that the public can adequately access the proceedings in real time by a technological means. In the event that we are unable to do so for reasons of economic hardship and despite best efforts, we will post on the town website an audio or video recording transcript for other comprehensive record proceedings as soon as possible after the meeting. All right, so let's take a real call of attendance. Hallie. Here. Doug. Here. Gaston. Is he here? Gaston? Again, Gaston, if you're trying to talk. Is he phoning in? He is phoning in, yeah, I believe. Sorry, I'm late. Oh, it's all right, don't worry about it. I just was calling attendance and calling your name Gaston. Okay, okay, here I am. Here, all right, great, super. And I am here, so that is for present with one absent. And next we go on to public comment. Is there anyone here for public, general public comment? Not unrelated to anything on the agenda. If you have general public comment, press the hand button on your screen and Steve will let you comment. Nope, no public comment. Okay, all right, so next we have licenses item three. Oh, I think someone actually is raising their hand. Oh, someone is raising their hand. Oh yeah, okay, sorry. Who's commenting publicly? Mr. Perez, Mr. Perez, you can speak. Hi, is it Henry? Yeah, I can hear you. Welcome. Okay, good. You can hear me and you can see me or you can only hear me. I can only hear you, but I don't need to see you if you don't want it. Okay, it's fine. I just don't know why, I don't know why I'm not connecting with the camera. I'm not sure, but I can hear you. That's okay, that's good. So you have general public comment? Yeah, well, you know, I'm Francisco. I'm the one trying to get the Cisco cafe and embers. Oh, right. We're going to come to you. Actually, we can just move on. So it's a good thing you're up here. So under licenses, new liquor license application. So tree, harsh, secretary, Steve, that one has to be rescheduled till next time because they didn't get the about us notices. Okay, so I don't necessarily need to be in this meeting. No, we're going to move on to you next. Is that right, Steve? Are we in the right path? Is that enough to move on to, okay. So you have the common victor's license. Yeah, Cisco's cafe, 68 Coles Road, is that correct? It's correct, yeah. Great, all right, you're up. So, so did everybody get, do you want to introduce your business and tell us something about it? And then I'll see if anyone has any questions or comments. Okay, yeah, so my name is Francisco. The owner of a piece of house of embers and now I'm about to get Cisco's cafe opened up in North Amherst, which is going to be breakfast and lunch, you know, combination of some Spanish and typical American cuisine. So that's my plan. That sounds great. Did everybody get a chance to look over the paperwork for the common big? Does anyone have any questions for Mr. Perez? No, yes, done. I just have a question. It's actually more for Steve. I was noticing that I believe he was going to do the, the BYOB sort of addendum to us common Vic. That's correct, yes. That is correct. Okay, so I saw the management plan and that looked good. I think there's a pretty good approach to how you'll manage that. Can you tell us a little bit about how much of that you think you'll experience? I mean, you just want to have it available. So if people want to bring in a beer to have with their lunch or whatever, that's fine. Is that the idea? Yeah, I wouldn't be sure. Is Arthur connected with us? I'm just not sure. I'm not sure if you can hear me. Oh, I can hear you. Yes, we can hear you. Welcome, Mr. Haskins. Why don't I just speak and I'll just be here. Okay. I think that Francisco wanted to achieve the ability to have the BYOB. We have a very complimentary business across the way that may be a good source of potential folks to tie the two together in the mill district. But I represent the landlord. I'm the real estate and community development director for WB Coles. And I'm also a personal friend of Francisco and here to support in any way. But just wanted to say that we support him and we anticipate that this will be a very conducive way to get our community in North Amherst and District One to be able to have an open restaurant again very soon and have some amenities that tie it into the other businesses right there in the mill district neighborhood. Okay, super. Thank you. Any other questions or comments about this application from anyone? Helly, go ahead. If things go according to plan, would you extend to dinner hours or are you thinking that this is just, not just, but primarily a breakfast and lunch operation? So as of the beginning to start, I'm only focusing on breakfast and lunch, but I think maybe later in the future, I might be willing to do something like buy the 10, call it that way. And then I have not decided exactly what can that be yet, but there is a possibility. I think I, I mean, quickly thinking, I think I will love to do something like like sort of like a tapas bar, which I know it will require a different license, but I think that's something that I will like to do in a future. So open the app just like a totally different thing. Again, I know again, I have to apply for a different type of license, but I think that North Amherst, I think you need something like that, it'll be nice like a, just beer and wine and a good, just like the small dishes tapas, you know? So that's the idea that I have at the moment, but again, I'm not taking a serious yet. I will just want to take off and then see what happens. Great. Okay, good. Thanks, Heli and Mr. Prince. Any other questions or comments about this? If there are no more, nothing, no concerns or anything, is there a motion to approve the Common Pictures License for Cisco's Cafe LLC at 68 Coles Road? So moved. Thank you, Doug. Is there a second? I'll second. Thank you, Hallie. Is there any further discussion? If not, then we'll take a vote. Hallie. Aye. Doug. Aye. Gaston. Aye. And aye, that is four to zero with one absent. The license is approved. Great. Thank you so much for coming in, Mr. Prince and Mr. Haskins and best of luck with everything. Thank you. Thanks so much. Okay, great. So just to reiterate, the treehouse charcuterie doing business is Greys, Greys, and 83 Coles Road is will, that'll be rescheduled for next time. So we don't need to vote on anything, correct, Steve? No, a public hearing couldn't even be opened. Okay, so we can't open anything. So we're just gonna skip that. And that takes us to our discussion items, the first of which is rental registration. So everybody, Steve sent around copies of stuff from that the CRC has been working on. And then there was an article from the Gazette, I didn't make that community session. So I just had Steve send it around in case anyone, wanted to know what went on and didn't make it themselves. So I don't know where, who is, I don't know where we are with this, but it looks like I kind of went through, I didn't have a chance to read all of the draft, but I did go through the summary and it looks like we're plugged in as the Board of Lessons Commissars, as the people who do the appeals. So I don't know if we wanna have any input on the regulations in the beginning, Gaston, I think you were working on this, is that correct? Or if we just wanna do, think about doing something before an appeals, like an appeals process, if you wanna think about that. Yes, I mean, I would like to think about it carefully. And unfortunately I did not have the chance to develop feedback. I think that when we talked about it last, the idea of appeals seems like it could be a function that would fit, but I'm not really prepared to say more. Okay, okay, that's fine. Does anyone wanna say anything about this or should we get done? The question I have is, because I haven't been tracking it very closely and I don't have a description to the online Gazette and I've already used my five articles, so I could read the other one. That's fine. But I'm just curious, does anyone have a sense of the time horizon under which the Council is working to move this from the CRC to the Council to vote? So I'm just thinking about sort of our work plan and the impact of their choices, but also sort of what does our work look like from CRC to Town Council. I don't know that, I don't know. I don't know, let me, I will do that. Let me email Mandi. Email Mandi, Mandi, Joe Handig. Yeah, and just, I mean, it may play out over a longer timeframe, but if she's got a sense of what kind of targets they're thinking of. Okay. Yeah, maybe they're looking for a full implementation for next July. Okay. I don't know. I believe they are. I think the initial plan was to try to have it ready for adoption by the end of the year. And I don't know if it's looking like it will be quite there, but I do think this is a major priority for them. Right. All right. And those would cycle on July 1, is that right, Steve? Yes. Okay. All right. So let me email her, Mandi, Joe Handig and find out what that timeframe is. And then guess on that we'll give you some time to work, do something on that. Yeah. And then, do you want me to put it on? Oh, sorry, go ahead. Oh, I was just going to suggest that if you could have Steve circulate her response when you get it. So to kind of remind us all that would be great. Okay. Circulate response. All right. My understanding of what a role that's being considered for the license commission at this point, I don't know if they've really anything settled on anything, but a role being considered is to draft, excuse me, regulations, be the rental appeals board, which would be an appeals board for any, feels the rental reg and to set fees. Rental appeals, okay. And the existing rental appeals board has met zero times in 10 years, but. So do you mean fees for it? Cause they had some fees on the draft. Do you mean fees for like penalties or fees for licenses? Probably any above. I can imagine there'll be a suggestion passed along as they did just raise the fees themselves, but I think that that power would, they're envisioning that that power may lie with the license commission. Okay. All right, great. Watch out. All right, so I will do that. So Gaston, do you want us to put this on the agenda for next meeting on the 17th or do you want to wait till the early December? I am open to what others think. What do you think? Do we go over it next time? Or do we want to, you know, actually, let me email, Manny Jo, Henneke, and then see what her timeframe is. And then we can plan from there. I can talk to Steve about it. And he can email. I do think it'll be a busy meeting next time. Yeah. Oh, right. Cause you've got other stuff. Yeah, although, okay. We're getting into renewal season. Renewals, okay. All right. So I will do that. I'm not even talking about renewals yet, but yes, that too. Okay. Okay, you want, you'll give us the preview then. Right. So we'll have this liquor license application. The cousins should be ready again. And then also a first for the license commission and possibly a first in the last 20 to 50 years of the town. There is a land license for the storage of explosives and infamble materials that is issued by the local licensing authority, but then renewed by the town clerk. I spent a lot of time with the fire department the last couple of weeks figuring this out, but it triggers when you have over a certain amount of any flammable materials, anything from, you know, propane gas to gasoline to oil to explosives to small arms ammunition. But there's a threshold for all these different things. And when you go above that, you need to get a license. And in this case, the new building at UMass going in where Lincoln Apartments used to be in the intersection of Mass Ave and Lincoln Ave. They will eventually be heating the building with heat pumps, but for temporary heating this winter, so they can install a sprinkler system and do certain construction work that needs a certain temperature. They need to install 8,000 gallons of liquid propane to heat it over the winter, which I hear will have daily refills. Wow, that's a lot. Okay, that's exciting. It's also gonna be expensive given the price of those things right now, but. Yeah. If the daily refills is accurate than somebody else, I calculate with a coworker at 36 million for the winter, but maybe I heard that wrong. Wow, wow, that's a lot. That's crazy. Yeah. If I may ask a quick follow-up. Yes. So there are other storage tanks. The one I can think of right now is on Dickinson Street next to, it's now an Emmerich College property, but it was the former classic Chevrolet. There's a storage tank there, a fuel storage tank there. If fuel storage tanks like that fall under this license. Yes, they do. So the interesting thing about this license is it needs to be issued by the license commission, but when it's renewed, it just goes to the town clerk. So we have a number of these licenses, some as old as like 1912. When they were issued. In fact, most of them are from pre-World War II, actually. And, but yeah, it's only new applications that would come to the license commission. Because that tank that sits on this little wedge of property, that's... Yeah, I know exactly the one you're thinking of, yeah. You drive by it most of the time, you don't realize there's a storage tank there, but it's also, you think it's part of like what was an auto dealership for the Emmerich College property now. It's not, it's independently owned, I believe. And so it may be owned by Emmerich College now, but it was an independent piece of property. And so it's just a curious thing, it's all... Yeah, that one has an interesting history. I mean, it kind of needs to come down that's been abandoned for years. But my understanding is that it's owned by Scherner Oil now and that it was originally for refueling trains. Right. Hmm. Yeah, given its location, that makes sense. I always thought it was for the dealership too, but I guess not. Yeah, they didn't use that much gas. Okay. So, is there anything we need to prepare for that license hearing? I will definitely be sending along some materials. Okay. And not the day before, but we've got, it may not be on for the 17th because it's going to be hundreds and hundreds of butters notices, including in Hadley too, because that parcel touches, it goes all the way down like rafters. Oh, right. It's a mess from the Hadley line to the first Baptist church and it goes down all the way down to rafters. So, and they have to notify butters in Hadley too, so it may not come together for the 17th, but... That's because the piece of property itself is considered all one continuous single piece. It is one parcel, yeah. Wow. Okay. You mess as parcels are weird yet. And this used to land not to the building or the applicant actually attached to the land. So, it's a curious one. Yeah. Okay. Well, that's something to look forward to. Yeah, learning new stuff all the time. Yeah. All right. So, we're going to reschedule rental registration discussion after we hear back from Manager Hanneke. Next one is coin operated amusement devices license. And Steve, you talked to some people. Yes. I spoke to the building commissioner, the town manager and the police chief. And of course we had, we talked to the fans director last time and police chief was surprised to hear it even exists. Nobody else could think of any reason for it to exist. It was unanimous approval of eliminating it if the board so chose. Okay. So, we can eliminate that and we have scheduled a public hearing after, yes, done. I was just going to say we can eliminate the fee but we can't eliminate the license, correct? Oh, is that right, Steve? I believe, I believe we can. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah, I don't, if we can eliminate the license as well. Yeah, I think that's, I think, well, anyway, we can discuss it in our public hearing, but that's simpler even because then you don't even have the paperwork that people have to file. So that's. Now I have to file too, so yeah. Okay. So anything else? Any other questions about Steve's research into the coin-operated amusement devices, license stuff or should we just wait for the public hearing in two minutes? Yeah. Okay, all right. So the next discussion item, live entertainment license and Steve and I were talking about this a little bit and thought we'd probably like to get moving on it. And I think we touched on this briefly at our last meeting and we'd like to put together a working group and maybe have a little more structured process for this so that we know who is doing, who's doing what. And so I know I was going to, like, where do we start? Do we do comparison with other towns? Do we look into the, I don't know, there's no one. I was gonna work on the group, but yeah, I'm sorry, go ahead. Just if I can offer a couple of suggestions. And I think the name doesn't necessarily imply all that it covers, because I think we traditionally, even if you were playing recorded music because it was being played or the music or the entertainment was live for viewing and enjoying that it was considered part of that. So I think there's some definitional stuff around just the different kinds of entertainment. I think it's gonna be a critical question. And I think that, and I think this is really one where like short term versus longer term is a very critical distinction. And so that could be like one group could work on the short term, which is about temporary events or things on, maybe things on the common, the town of a million years ago on Wednesday nights in the summer, they showed a movie. I think they've done that a few times since, I mean, in recent years, they've even tried to do that over the head. That would technically qualify as something that needs a license, although if it's a town like LSSE did it, you know, we charge ourselves a license, but those all, but if some other organization wanted to do a movie, if somebody as part of the Mary Maple of the Rotary Club wanted to show it's a wonderful life on the common, would they need a live entertainment license? I would suggest technically, yes. That's a short term license. It's different than like the Drake. Right. Also, the other question I wanna just pose for people to start thinking about as far as how to segment this is, you know, this also begs the question about UMass. You know, we make them get liquor licenses, but do we make them, and do we have purview over getting live entertainment? Cause there's, you know, multiple, balkoratorium, fire center, et cetera, that all have live entertainment, you know, it may not be jurisdictionally appropriate, but, and I don't wanna necessarily gouge the university, you know, to come up with these things or whatever. I mean, the permanent structures that are used for those kinds of events all the time, but anyway, and I guess the other question is, you know, defining entertainment too, because you could have, you know, we tend to think of like music, but it could be theater, it could be just spoken word, it could be just amplified voice, you know, so like if you had poetry read. So, I mean, I think we wanna act this quite a bit, a little bit. I don't wanna get overly crazy about it, but just to, you know, encompass all cases and think about, well, what is it that we care about, and what do we want to give the public an opportunity to weigh in on it. If something comes off. Okay, all right, so. I'd just like to point out that there's something really problematic about putting those two words together, that you need to get a license for entertainment is really disturbing. It sounds like footloose, like dancing is banned in this town or something. I think we really need to identify what is our legitimate scope of regulation here. I can't think of anything besides crowds and noise, but I'm happy to hear what you all think. I just, the idea that we license entertainment is really sounds bad. Well, Kelly. I was also gonna say when Doug said amplified spoken word, I mean, I would hate to then have to look at like free speech and when you have rallies on the common, I don't think that would, I would as a president, I would hope we wouldn't have to apply for a license for that. So I'm not sure. It'll be interesting to come up with what works for this license and what we don't want to. Well, the other thing I'll add just to, because that gets into questions of first amendment, I fully agree. That's the part of why I said what I said, because that gets to be a weird sort of definitional thing is very important because we don't want to weigh into things that we don't or shouldn't regulate and are not really legally allowed or obligated to. I think the other thing around entertainment is we don't have any enamers, but there are gentlemen's clubs for lack of a term that could come up. We haven't had anything like that enamers, but it could be something that arises that that would be live, not necessarily music related, but the question of noise, but also other factors. So again, I think it's all about sort of how we frame it and what we have appropriate jurisdiction over and we want to have, and we want to exert that jurisdiction, right? I'm not saying I have any opinion about any of this at this moment. Just bring some thoughts. Okay, so does anyone have any idea, like Steve or Doug, about the history of this license like off the top of your head? Was it in existence when you came on the select ward? I can tell you my experience with it on select ward, it came up very, very rarely. It was generally people did it. They were gonna have, the cases I can recall were a yoga studio was having an open house. They wanted to invite people to have some music playing or probably technically renewed licenses for places that played ambient music during your operating hours, like bar or something, but we may not, it wasn't a license that anyone really sought to enforce or that we sought really to press people for it because it's been $5 forever. I think the idea was, oh, if you're gonna have a wedding reception and have a band in the backyard, you should let the neighbors know and you should get a license. I think it's been a very passively thought of type of license, probably generally ignored. I think there's some circumstances of my opinion is that there are some circumstances where it makes sense to have something. But again, I think all these questions we've raised about what do we mean by this and what is the sort of piece that we wanna care about like crowds and noise, cutting, and where our comfort or discomfort level, those are the critical questions. I think there's some places where it makes sense to have something that needs to be anything like it was. I don't know, I don't know that it necessarily does, but I think it does. So Doug, does the Drake have one? The Drake has, they have a live entertainment license or no, yeah? So because we don't have, there seems to be some kind of divide, like UMass doesn't have one for any of their venues, but they're not a nightclub in the same way that, like the Drake and his Blue Lagoon and the- Right, and I think the thing is that, it's interesting. Well, the university gets liquor licenses from us because it's very clear in the law that we have jurisdiction over that. Right. Even though it's on state land, but it's state land within the town of Amherst, the way the law for liquor licenses is written is that we have to go over that. I mean, there are other areas that are funky. So like, if you think about that kind of thing, I think we have to do fire inspection on the university, but like electrical inspection, we don't, but plumbing we do, it's like there's a weird mishmash of things relative to our regulatory control on the university because it's state land. Okay. My guess is this is likely not, not something we can probably enforce. So the university's probably off limits in a lot of ways. I think the only time it really bothers us is that, they have some venue that's literally adjacent to a neighborhood. So suddenly they started having things at North Village that they just rebuilt, which is now a university village, I think, or something like that, where it could impose upon the neighbors, that would be a concern to us, but we may not have any way to regulate that. So I think it's just an open question about, is it one of those things we have per view or not? Okay. All right, thanks. Yeah, that's accurate, Doug, about some things being split up. And I think it's probably worth checking with our legal counsel, but the way most of the chapter 140 is written, it pretty much just says in the town, so I don't really see any reason why UMass wouldn't have to get common vicks and live entertainment and all those things. Which is for me. Okay. So that's a question. I think our first step would probably be, there's several different sections in chapter 140 that cover what you might colloquially call live entertainment. And it's just kind of always difficult to determine what was ever adopted by the town because a bylaw doesn't need to be passed. It just has to be voted on at some point that the town adopts. A lot of these are sections are, if the town so adopts this section, you can license whatever, involve machines or whatever it may be. And so the question would be kind of to maybe identify those sections in chapter 140 that we would be interested in and then kind of ask the town clerk to see was this ever adopted by town meeting in 1977 or something. And I do believe there must have been some section. I think what I've been trying to determine as I've been in this role is, there was one section that was named specifically in the license template that we inherited, but that only really covers things within an establishment. It wouldn't cover, as far as, unless we have a different section of the law that we adopted that we don't really know about, which is very possible. You could presumably have wood stock in a town common that wouldn't require a live entertainment license. So that's probably the first step, I think. I was just gonna say the other end, a seeding of this license may have to do with music or bands at like house parties. So if you think about the, was it used to the Hobart Hoedown or whatever the heck it was called? Was it put a band? It may have been a way to provide the police with some leverage, but I don't know that, you know. Okay. So for next time, we wanna go over chapter 140. Steve suggested, is that right, Steve? Yeah, I mean, I think it might be worth just taking a browse. I think it's like around section 177-ish maybe. There's a lot of, it's such a, it gets weird towards the end there. It's 140 so expansive. Like all the firearms legislation is in 140 earlier. And then there's just a lot of, I mean, it goes down to, I think there's like, you know, maybe not quite the guy, you know, cranking the accordion with the monkey dancing him around him, but there's all kinds of different weird, little specific things that, you know, allowing, you know, under 18 to be in a house of entertainment after 6 p.m. on a Sunday. There's all kinds of weird things in that, but some of them are kind of useful. And so we'd probably be, you know, trying to identify, I mean, maybe any section that's relevant in any section that covers this kind of licensing and asking the town clerk if it's ever been adopted by the town, but that's probably would be the first step is kind of taking a browse through there. Okay. All right. And I'm certainly happy to help with that myself. I mean, I probably will be busy with renewal and some rental reg things and for, and all these licenses for through the end of the year. But if we do want to begin with this more in earnest in January, I'll have more time to, to kind of look through that and converse to the town clerk. Okay. So that sounds good. Should we, since you've got a lot going on, is there anyone else I was going to work on this? Gaston, did you want to help out too? Or anybody else? And maybe we can just go through. I'm more than happy to read some of this history. Certainly, Steve, if you could send an email just to get the ball rolling. And so I have a reminder, that would be terrific. Yeah. Absolutely. And then maybe we can schedule a more serious discussion and maybe everyone can look through 177 for the new year. We can really start going. I would like to suggest however, that I would like to suggest that we center our deliberations on what we think is important here. And because I suspect that if you go back to historically where these entertainment licenses came from or used a lot of it is trying to prevent the riffraff and things that are, you know, jazz when in the wrong time period, stuff that we probably don't want to start relevant except to make sure we don't do it. Right. Yeah. I completely agree. I think there are different concerns that we have and. Was coin-operated machines, live music or bad? I know. Yeah. So I think, yeah, I think that kind of really nailing down what we, you know, what is really relevant to us and just regardless of what the history is, what, you know, what some of the concerns might be for live entertainment in Amherst is really important. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Okay. Great. So we will look forward to that too in January. Anything else on live entertainment licenses? Nope. Okay. So public hearing a elimination of requirement and associated fees for coin-operated amusement devices license. This is a hearing. Shall we need a motion to open the hearing? Yes, let's do that. So move. Thank you, Doug. Is there a second? Second. Thank you, Hallie. We'll take a vote. Hallie. Hi. Doug. Hi. Gaston. Hi. And I vote aye. Four to zero with one absent and the public hearing for the coin-operated amusement devices license requirement, associated fees, potential elimination is open. So do we want to just do away with the whole thing? And does anyone have any arguments against or strongly in favor or? I would like to say that the argument in favor is that if we ever discover any problem, we can act very quickly. That's true. If there's a problem with the coin-operated, yeah, I mean, in favor of repealing the. Repealing. Repealing it. There is a problem. Yeah, in argument, yeah, in favor of repealing is that if there's some kind of issue in the future, we can always address it then. That's right. We can always bring it back, right? Yes, Doug. Right. Yeah, just to kind of confirm that or add to that a little bit, it's just that it's not that we can't enact a license, but we don't have to. I mean, I think that the only delay we'd have, like, so if something, some circumstance arises more like, oh, this would be a perfect example of a coin-operated amusement license that requires us to weigh in. We have to notice the public hearing, reenact the license and a fee, and then, which is, I can't imagine that we need to act any faster than what we could do through that hearing process. So I think that's on there. We're probably in fine shape. And I think the other thing I would just say is, as we discussed previously, that the rationale behind this is 100 years old and not something that's germane to the current circumstances that we deal with. So I don't think it's something we need. Okay, great. I agree. And if it's something we feel like we need to act rapidly on, chances are it's also illegal and the police will be involved. Okay, that's true. Right, so. Okay, great. So if there's nothing else to discuss during the public hearing, we don't have anybody who's come to the public hearing, do we? Steve, is there anyone here? I don't think so. Doesn't look like it. Okay, great. I'm going to close it. Okay, let's listen. Unless Halley's daughter is off camera. So there's a motion to close the hearing. Is there a second to close the hearing? Second. Thank you, Halley. Let's take a vote. Halley. Aye. Doug. Aye. Gaston. Aye. And I vote aye, four to zero with one absent. The hearing is closed. Is there a motion to eliminate the requirement in associated fees for the coin operated amusement devices license? So moved. Thank you, Doug. Is there a second? Second. Thank you, Halley. Is there any further discussion? Hearing none, we'll take a vote. Halley. Aye. Doug. Aye. Gaston. Aye. And I vote aye, that as four to zero with one absent, we have eliminated the requirement and associated fees for the coin operated amusement devices license. That's done. We're gonna start calling us libertarians. I know, right? Let's hear it for small government. Don't tread on my pinball table. That's right. Okay. Topics not reasonably anticipated 48 hours prior to the meeting. Are there any topics that we haven't discussed yet? So Steve gave us kind of an overview of what we can expect over the next two meetings. We have the 17th is our next meeting at five o'clock. Halley won't be able to join us, but we might be able to look forward to flammable materials, if not then, then next one. So yeah. Okay. And explosives, not in this application, but in the license. Explosives. Okay, great. So if there's nothing else, is there a motion to adjourn? No move. Thank you, Doug. Is there a second? Second. Thank you, Halley. I'll take a vote. Halley. Aye. Doug. Aye. Gaston. Aye. And I vote aye. Ford is there with one absent. We're adjourned at 5.43 PM. Thanks, everybody. And see you on the 17th. And happy birthday, DeGrada. Bye. See you guys in December. Bye, Gaston. Bye, Steve. Thank you. Bye.