 Okay, good morning and welcome back to our second lecture on BC 308. Thank you all once again for connecting. We are going through the book of Revelation. We just completed chapter three and there are some questions on the chat. So we're going to look at the questions on the chat. This question, John says, there's an interpretation of the seven churches with respect to periods. 30 to 380, 100 to 1380, 1314 to 590 and so on. Is it the right way of interpretation should we subscribe to this? Right. So our response to this is no. We do not subscribe to it for these reasons one. And the Lord Jesus is giving the message to John. He says, write things that are things that are right and the things which I get to come to think in Revelation one and verse 19. Right. The things which you have seen are the things which are and the things which will take place after this. The things which will take place after this starts off in chapter four, verse one, where he says, come up here and I will show you things which must take place after this. So Revelation 119, things which will take place, Revelation 41, things which will take place, which means chapters two and three have to do with things which are. So there is no indication and it's very clear from the message Jesus gives that it is for the seven churches that existed. There is no indication anywhere in scripture that those seven churches represent or they are a type or they represent seven church ages. There is no indication of that. The best we can do is to learn from those seven churches. These seven churches literally existed at that time. We have some understanding of their context, but for us, the most important is the lessons we take from those churches. There are obviously a lot of teaching and books and others like, you know, that use the seven churches, seven church periods. But I think it's wrong to do that because it was not the original intent of what Jesus spoke. Right. And so we do not subscribe to it. Next question is from Davia. And this is based on Revelation chapter three verse four and six, four to six, where the Lord talks about those who are victorious. He will not blot that the name of that person or the book of life. Before the father and the angels, the question is, does it mean, here, what does blot the name from the book of life imply? Does it mean everyone's name is written in the book of life? And when one does not believe that names get blotted out? Or is it a warning for the saved one? So then does it mean that once a person is saved, there's a possibility of losing salvation? That is, even if a person is a believer, there could be a possibility of losing salvation. Right. So the book of life is interesting. So we try to kind of, you know, there are some references in the Old Testament about Moses. He says, you know, he tells God, Lord, you take my, if you don't forgive Israel, you blot my name out. You know, take my name off on the book of life. Malachi, God says, you know, there's a book of remembrance, God's recording everything is being written. That's different from the book of life. But just mention that. Then in the New Testament, Revelation 13 says the book of life, which was written before the foundation of the world. And then we see it here in Revelation 3, with the Lord says, to whoever overcomes, I will not blot out his name from the book of life. Revelation 20. It's the book of life that's opened. And whosoever name was not found written in the book of life, the names were not there. They cast into the lake of fire. So how do we understand this, this whole dynamic? I mean, we only have few references about the book of life. So given these few references, what conclusions can we come to? First, we know the Bible says the book of life was written before the foundation of the world. That means even before God created a human creation, created people, names were written. Okay. And then he is saying, it's possible that names would be blotted out. Moses said, take my name out. And here he's saying, you know, the one who overcomes, his name will remain there in the book of life. So how do we understand this? Now, again, I'm speaking with the limited references we have. It seems like, I'm saying it seems like because we're just putting all these references together. It seems like, and this goes also into, you know, this whole understanding of the predestination and the foreknowledge of God, which we read about Romans, chapter 8, Ephesians, chapter 1, and other places like Romans 9 to 11, where basically, whom God foreknew the predestined that they will be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ. So God foreknew. So my understanding based on these scriptures is the book of life was written. God foreknew the people who would say yes to him and then their names have been put in the book of life. But it's all conditional. Conditional meaning. We all have free will God put our names there and we must live this out. Right. So that's where there is the possibility of somebody losing their salvation. Now, cannot believe a loose their salvation. Again, we had to take a lot of scriptures put it together and I'm just making the statement. I'm not necessarily going through all the scriptures, but perhaps Hebrews chapter 6, Hebrews chapter 10. Those passages clearly indicate to us that it's possible for somebody to taste of the good things of the kingdom of God, to taste of the word of God, to taste of the Holy Spirit and then to trample underfoot the very blood of Jesus and to come into a place where there is no repentance for them. Hebrews 10.38 says if any man draws back, my soul will have no pleasure in him. So these and other scriptures seem to tell us that yes, it is possible that somebody could lose their salvation. Understanding about the book of life that God foreknew. He put their names in the book of life. There is a possibility that somebody will be blotted out. But what does that depend on? It depends on our free choice. We have to endure to the end. They had to follow Jesus to the end. It's possible that somebody believes in Jesus Christ. They're genuinely saved, but they withdraw from their faith. 1st John 5 also talks about this. If a brother sins a sin unto death, if a brother sinning, you pray for him. But if he is a sin unto death, they don't even pray for him. So there is this possibility. That's in a nutshell, but both these things are big questions that we can look at scriptures and discuss. So let's pick up the chapter 4. So chapters 2 and 3 are about things that are, meaning things that were actually happening during John's time. Chapter 4 transitions into things that will come to pass. If you read Revelation chapter 4, let's please read verses 1 through 5. Somebody could read that. Revelation 4, 1 through 5, please. After these things, I looked and behold a door standing open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me saying, Come up and I will show you things which must take place after this. Immediately I was in the spirit and behold a throne sat in heaven and one sat on the throne. And he who sat there was like a jasper and a sardias, stone in appearance. And there was a rainbow around the throne in appearance like an amride. Around the throne were 24 thrones and the thrones I saw, 24 elders sitting, closed in white robes and they had crowns of gold on their heads. And from the throne proceeded lightning, thundering and voices. And these were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne which are in the seven spirits of God. Amen. Amen. Alright, so Revelation 4, 1. There's a door open and John is having this vision. There's a door open and he's invited. Come up. I'm going to show you things which must take place. So the door opening is almost like I'm transitioning out of this realm into the other realm. So his spirit is entering in to another realm, entering into the spiritual realm. So you can imagine his body is on the island of Patmos. But God is taking his spirit into the next, the other realm, the spiritual realm. Door opening, transition. One to the next is going in. So spirit is taking in there to the spiritual realm. And the Lord Jesus says, I'm going to show you things which must take place after this. So Revelation 4 is out in the future. Things that are yet to come. Things that are going to take place. So now we're getting into the revelation of things to come. And so John finds himself in the spirit. He's now in the spiritual realm and he's beginning to see and experience things in the spiritual realm. So his spirit man, so to speak, his spirit man is in the spiritual realm. His body is here but his spirit man is translated. He's in the spiritual realm and he's hearing, seeing, experiencing things in the spiritual realm. And remember, like we said in the beginning, he is using language and knowledge that he has from his day and time to capture the things he is seeing. So he's using, you know, when he says Jasper and Sades and rainbow emerald, he's using these stones to describe the colors that he's seeing. So look, I'm seeing all these colors. This, that means the spiritual realm is very vibrant. There is color. The spiritual realm is not like, oh, it's, there's nothing here. There is a, you know, I can't see anything here. Oh, it's all just space. No, the spiritual realm is so real. You know, and, and, and he's saying like all the, I'm seeing all these colors, green and, and red. And I'm seeing multicolors like rainbow. I'm seeing the throne. I'm seeing somebody sitting on the throne. Now he's not telling us, okay, the one who had a throne had a long beard. And, you know, just seeing this, this, this magnificent presence of God on the throne and all of these colors. It's so real in the spiritual realm. And what's interesting is, so this is a throne room. You see the throne room and he's saying around this throne, there are 24th throne. So maybe 12 on either side. And he's seeing 24 elders. They're all clothed in white robes. They have the crowns. And there is this, this whole light, you know, so he's talking about light and sound and lightnings, thundering voices. There's light and sound. There's something very, very powerful happening. No, I mean, we'll talk about the seven lamps and seven spirits. But the picture here is 24 elders. They have the robes. They have the crowns. This leads us, and I'm not saying this is conclusive, but this leads us to understand. First of all, 24 elders, who are they? What we can, what can we say about these elders? Who are these people seated? You know, they've got this privileged position. To be seated on either side of the throne, 12 on either side, 24 elders. They're seated. What we know from Revelation 21 is that at least one of these elders is speaking and actually let me see. Revelation 19, I think, sorry, Revelation 19. The elder says to him, Revelation 19, verse 10. Revelation 19, 10, just a cross reference here. I fell at his feet to worship him, but he said to me, See that you do not do that. I am your fellow servant of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. I worship God for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. And Revelation 22, verse 8, Revelation 22, 8 and 9. Now, I John saw and heard these things. When I heard, I saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel. That's the messenger who showed me these things. And he said to me, See that you do not do that. I am your fellow servant of your brethren. The prophets are those who keep the words of this book worship God. So Revelation 19, 10. He's saying, I am your fellow servant and of your brethren. Revelation 22, 8 and 9. I'm your fellow servant and of your brethren, the prophets. So this seems to give us some idea of who these elders would be. Because one of these elders is talking to John throughout the book of Revelation. John falls down to worship him. The elder is talking to him, giving him the message. And he says, look, I'm your brethren, Jewish. I'm of the prophets. So it could be one of the Old Testament prophets. And I'm your fellow servant. I'm your co-worker. I'm also serving God. So, and I'm not saying this is conclusive, but we could think that the 12 on one side are the 12 apostles of Jesus Christ. And then from the New Testament. The other 12 could be 12 of the Old Testament prophets. We don't know their names. But whomever God has chosen. Based on these two passages, Revelation 19, 10, Revelation 22, 9 and 10, 8 and 9. Because he says, I am your fellow servant. I am your brethren. I'm of the prophets. So based on that, we are saying it's possible. Now, we know that the 12 apostles of Jesus are honored. In Revelation, in Matthew 20, when the mother of James and John comes and says, could you please make sure that when you come into your kingdom, my son, Edwin, sits on your right and left. And he says, look, that's for whomever the father is willed. He doesn't say no to that. Whomever the father is willed. We know in Revelation 21, in the new city of Jerusalem, the 12 apostles of the Lamb are recognized to be part of the 12 foundations of that city. So based on that, the 12 apostles are honored. So in that way, we are saying they could be 12 of the elders here. The other 12, it must be Old Testament prophets whom the Lord has chosen. I'm not saying it's conclusive, but I'm just saying taking the clues we see, that's most likely it. But what I want to point out is, it seems that at this point, these people have their crowns, have their garments, they're seated on the throne, which means that they have been honored. They have been given their reward and they're seated there. Now, as of this moment as we are talking, the bodies of the Old Testament saints and all the New Testament believers, including the 12 apostles, have all been decayed. Nobody has been resurrected. So the judgment seat of Christ where our works are tried with fire and each one is given a reward has not yet taken place. Paul writes about this. 1 Corinthians 3, we must all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. And 2 Corinthians 5, we will receive a reward according to the works we've done. 1 Peter 5, when the chief shepherd shall appear, then we will receive a crown of glory. So this reward is connected to the appearing of the chief shepherd, the return of the Lord, which means this reward ceremony is going to take place after the chief shepherd appears. Now, am I saying all that? When you put all these scriptures together and then look at what you're seeing in Revelation 4, it means that Revelation 4 is a seed in heaven after the chief shepherd has appeared and these people have received the resurrected bodies and this award ceremony or reward ceremony, you know, whatever it is, has taken place. Because Peter said, when the chief shepherd shall appear, then we will receive a crown of glory, which will not fade away. So that's therefore the conclusion is this picture of seeing these 24 elders with their crowns is a scene of the throne room after the rapture, after the rewards have been given out. That's the conclusion and that's the scene, things which must take place. John is seeing heaven, these 24 elders, Old Testament saints, Old Testament prophets, 12 apostles, they've been given the crowns, they're seated in white robes and they're seated on the throne. They got the reward. So Revelation 4 is a seed after the rapture of the church and after the rewards have been given in heaven. It's by deduction, I hope you understood the thought process. Any questions on that? So that's what John is saying. It's in the future. And yeah, your question. Thank you, Pastor. So does it mean like these are subsequent chapters are in chronological order? Yes. That's how we will be studying the book of Revelation that everything given here starting from chapter four, verse one is chronological with these exceptions. So what do you mean? As we read, we will see there are some places. So think about this. A good way to illustrate it is suppose somebody is telling us a story or narrating, telling us something. So they're going chronologically. This happened and then this will happen and this is going to happen. They're telling us everything chronologically. And then they say, by the way, actually, in order to understand this, first, let me take you back sometime. So that does happen and we will mention it. And also, when they narrate something, it's okay. Let me tell you about this. And then in the end, this is what happens to this person. So that there's a little jump in the back here. So in Revelation chapter 11, I'm giving you where we'll study this as we go along. But so to answer your question generally, Revelation chapter four all the way 22 is taken chronologically in the sequence in which it is given. Except that Revelation 10, it is a parenthetical chapter, meaning it is a interlude, meaning in Revelation 10, God is speaking to John and says, John, I want you to eat this book because I got to show you some more things. So that's like an interlude. So it's like, it's not something that's going to happen. It's something that happened in the vision. It was specific to John, Revelation 10. Revelation 11, he talks about the two witnesses. And in one passage in Revelation 11, he tells us all that will happen from that time for three and a half years. Okay, so Revelation 11, one is the middle of the seven years of tribulation. Two witnesses are there in that passage. He tells us everything that will happen for three and a half years. So it means from middle till the end. That's one piece. Revelation 12, as he tells us what's going to happen, again with reference to the middle to the end, he takes us back in time. And he says, hey, this is what happened. Satan was cast out of heaven with a third of the angels. So that's going back in time. That's how he became the old serpent, the dragon, the devil. And he also has a reference to the woman, the man child, the woman being Israel who gave birth to the man child. So that's a little piece in Revelation 12, which goes back in time, but then tells us what will happen from there on. So there are those passages like that. But other than that, everything is taken sequentially, chronologically, in the order it is given. So is it because it is chronological that you can say that what is mentioned in Chapter 4 is rapture? It could be rapture, mentioning about rapture when John is asked to come up. Yes, it's the beginning. So at the very start of the tribulation, it is the beginning of the tribulation. So the rapture has taken place. We're seeing them all with their rewards seated around the throne. So we're saying that has happened. So the rapture of the church has happened. They've been given the rewards. That's only taken place in heaven. Chapter 6 verse 1, we come to the earth. So chapter 4 and 5 is a picture in heaven. Chapter 6, here's what's happening here on earth. So same time, but you've got to give it in chapter. So this is in heaven, this is here on earth. But it's the beginning of the seven years of tribulation. Sure, sure. Thank you, Pastor. So I believe you would have covered this earlier in eschatology, but just to again clarify. So during those seven years of tribulation, what are believers doing in what are believers doing during those seven years? Yeah. So during the seven years of tribulation, there is, the believers are in heaven. They receive their rewards. They are ushered into their mansions. Yeah. So just in my father's house, many mansions. I go to prepare place. We will come again and receive you to myself. So where I am, there you'll be also. So we are there. We are, we will be in worship. That's something we see throughout the book of Revelation. Believers standing before the throne, worshipping. We will be welcoming the souls, the spirit and souls of those who are martyred during the tribulation. We are receiving them in heaven. We are also preparing for the marriage supper of the lamb, because that seven years ends with the marriage supper of the lamb, Revelation 19. So these are the things we know that will be taking place during the seven years in heaven. Okay. So, so this, you said the rewards would have been given already, right? So it does not mean that the non-believers, their judgment has taken place. It will take place only at the end of the millennial reign. Yes. So the non-believers, those are not safe. Their judgment comes way at the end in Revelation chapter 20. That is at the end of the millennium when everybody stands before the great white throne, judgment, Revelation 20 verses verse 15. That's the end. Yeah. Okay. So because of all these reasons, this particular chapter could point to rapture. Yes. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Welcome. Japhina verse one. After these things, I looked and be all the doors standing open in heaven. So can we compare this to John 10, 9, I am the door. If anyone enters by me, we'll be saved. We're going in and out and say that the door was Jesus. I've heard such comparisons by some pastors. I think the, again, here, my response to that would be they're not the same door. The language is the same, right? You'll find the door, for example, John 10, Jesus says, I am the door. Here, John says, I saw a door open to me in heaven. But Paul writes, he says, a great door has been opened for me, but there are many enemies. He's talking about the door of the gospel. So, you know, the door and all these contexts are different. In John 10, when Jesus says, I am the door like Jesus, I am the bread of life. I am the water of life. I am the good shepherd. I am the light of the world. It's a picture he's giving us to convey to us that, look, salvation is only through him, right? So it doesn't mean every time you see a door, that's Jesus. It's like, no, it's a picture he used. I am the true wine. Doesn't mean you see a wine. Okay. That's Jesus. It's a picture, right? So the context is using a picture to communicate, tell us something about himself. Here, John says, I'm a door. Again, I don't think we should start interpreting this as, you know, there's a door to go into heaven, or there are portals to go into heaven. You know, people unnecessarily make these things up. But really, it's just saying that, look, I've transitioned from the natural world into the spiritual. That's the door. You know, when the door is an entry point in place, you go in, but then there are a lot of people start making teachings like, you know, there are portals, gateways, entry points into spiritual realms and all those things. Okay. You know, who knows, but that's not caught necessarily in scripture. Here he says, I see a door open in heaven, meaning the Lord is taking him into the spiritual realm. And so that's a, for him, it's a transition into the spiritual world. Okay. That's how we should understand it. I don't think we should build a theology of portals and gateways and, you know, doors. Then people also connect, start connecting portals to locations. Oh, in that location, you go to Jerusalem, Jerusalem, there's a portal into heaven. You know, people do all those weird things. And I don't think those things are supported by scripture. Right. Yeah. So the answer to your question is that these are two different contexts and they should be understood in their context. Yeah. So verse five, thank you for the questions. Verse five. So John is saying this, and then he's also seeing the form, the throne of God. There is so much. There's lightening, stunting his voices, meaning it is magnificent. It's, you know, maybe I would use a word fearful. It's so awesome. And there he sees seven lamps of fire, seven lamps of fire. And he says, these are the seven spirits of God. Remember, we saw this picture in chapter one verse, it was four from the seven spirits who are before his throne. Same thing. Seven spirits of God. So we have to be careful not to interpret this as there are seven holy spirits. There was, you know, sometime back, sometime back, meaning back in the nineties, I think, when people were talking about this, you know, seven holy spirits and all, and then people have to withdraw that one. No, no, no. That's wrong. Seven here should be understood as representing perfection, completeness. There's one Holy Spirit, but he has seven facets to him, which we did in Isaiah 11, one and two. The spirit of the law, the spirit of wisdom, understanding council, might, knowledge, and the fear of the Lord. Seven facets, but the Holy Spirit is complete. And so this fire representing one person got the Holy Spirit. Okay, so we don't interpret it as seven spirits. And then let's read verses six through 11, please. Chapter four was six through 11. Before the throne, there was a sea of glass like crystal and in the midst of the throne and around the throne were four living creatures full of eyes in front and in back. The first living creature was like a lion. The second living creature like a calf. The third living creature had a face like a man. And the fourth living creature was like a flying eagle. The four living creatures, each having six wings. They're full of eyes around and within. And they do not rest day or night saying, Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord God Almighty who was and is in us to come. Whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to him who sits on the throne who lives forever and ever, the 24 elders fall down before him who sits on the throne and worship him who lives forever and cast their crowns before the throne saying, You worthy O Lord to receive glory and honor and power for you created all things and by your will they exist and were created. So as part of what John is seeing in heaven, he's seeing heavenly creatures. Now, what are these creatures? And you know, why does he see that? Like he sees and he's recognizing similarities between what he knows of the earth. Lion, calf, man, eagle. And I sing this. So, hey, it looks to me like that. You know, and they all have wings, six wings, you know, and they seem to have eyes everywhere. Now, these, of course, all of this looks very, very strange when we try to imagine something like this, you know, like a calf with eyes everywhere and wings and a lion with eyes everywhere and wings. So we don't know exactly what these creatures are. So we shouldn't, you know, try to speculate too much. Just like, okay, yeah, there are some living creatures that look like this according to what John saw at that time. And these creatures are not to be worshipped, but these creatures are engaging in the worship of God. So they are there. They're constantly in worship of God. So these are worshiping beings, which seem like these beings, John recognizes similarities with them, with the earth, but they're just involved in worship. So we don't worship the lion, the calf, or man, or eagle, but these creatures are engaging in worship of God. And along with them, the elders are worshiping. So everybody in the throne room is engaged in the worship of God. And it's so interesting that the attribute of God that's being recognized here in worship is holy, holy, holy. The holiness of God. So we can understand that there is this overwhelming sense of the holiness of God. We are in a place of absolute holiness. And these creatures, these worshipping creatures are constantly worshipping God. And the 24 elders join in worshiping. They fall down to the worship. And worship is going on, and they're recognizing who God is. So what is worship? It's recognizing who God is, recognizing his nature, and recognizing that everything has been created for him, and they exist by him. They are worthy. You're worthy to receive glory, honor, and power. All things are created by you, and they exist for you. So this continuous worship going on in the throne room is what we understand from these verses. That's what we're going to chapter 5. In chapter 5, we are now seeing something happen. What we are seeing is there's a scroll, and there's suddenly in heaven, there's a recognition that, look, the time has come to open the scroll. I'm just giving a brief of chapter 5. We'll read it. A time has come to open the scroll. But who's going to do it? Who's worthy to do it? And there we see Jesus. Now, again, Jesus is represented by the lion of the lamb. So it doesn't mean there's a lion and there's a lamb walking. But John is seeing Jesus, represented by this. Just as the Holy Spirit is represented by seven flames, the Lord Jesus, the eternal word, is represented by lion and lamb. So don't think, in our minds, we shouldn't be thinking there's a lion and lamb walking in the throne room. No. That's a representation of the son of the living God. So Jesus comes, and he is found worthy to open the scroll. And there are attributes of Jesus. There's omniscience. There's omnipresence. There's omnipotence, spoken of chapter 5. And then he is given the scroll, and he opens the scroll. That is very significant, meaning at that point, at that moment, is the beginning of the fulfillment of all the prophecies that are in that scroll, meaning the scroll is representing all the prophetic utterances that were given by God to the prophets. And that opening of the scroll, which includes John, right, includes this book of Revelation. So you can think, in time to come, there's going to come a time in heaven when the Lord Jesus comes into the throne room, and the scroll is handed to him. And he alone is only the Father knows that time, and only Jesus is worthy to open the scroll. This is the anointed one. And he opens the scroll, signifying all these prophecies are about the time to start fulfilling these prophecies has come. That's the essence of chapter 5. The opening of the scroll means, let these start being fulfilled. So the time has come. And then chapter 6, verse 1, the scene switches to earth, and these prophecies start being fulfilled. Everything that was spoken by the Old Testament prophets, and by everything given in the New Testament, including the book of Revelation, starts being fulfilled. So let's read Revelation chapter 5. We can have somebody read verses 1 through 7, and then somebody else can read verses 8 through 14. Let's see if we can do this. Revelation 5. Revelation 5, verse 1 to 7. And I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll written inside and on the back sealed with seven seals. Then I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, who is worthy to open the scroll and to lose its seals. And no one in heaven or on the earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll or to look at it. So I wept much because no one was worthy to open and read the scroll or to look at it. But one of the elders said to me, do not we behold the lying of the tribe of Judah, the root of David has prevailed to open the scroll and to lose its seven seals. And I look and behold in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures and in the midst of the elders stood and land as though it has been slain, heaven seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirit of God sent into all the earth. Then he came and took the scroll out of the right hand of him who sat on the throne. Somebody else, verses 8 through 14. Thank you. Now when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the 24 elders fell down before the lamp, each having a harp and golden bells full of incense, which are the prayers of the six. And they sang a new song saying, you are worthy to take the scroll and to open up seats for you are slain and you have redeemed us to God by your blood and out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation and have made us kings and priests to our God and which I will bring on the earth. Then I looked and I heard the words of many angels around the throne, the living creatures and the elders and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand and thousands of thousands saying with a loud voice worthy is the lamp who was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and blessing and every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea and all that are in them I heard saying blessing and honor, glory and power be to him who sits on the throne and to the lamp forever and ever. Then the four living creatures said amen and the 24 elders fell down and worshiped him who lives forever and ever. Amen. Okay. So John is seeing the throne room and like we said earlier he sees the scroll nobody's he weeps, he weeps so that's interesting. Verse 4, I bepped so in the spiritual realm you can feel emotion because remember John is in the spirit he's gone into the spiritual realm the spirit and soul is there his body is here on earth he's gone through the door he's gone through that transition he's in the spiritual realm and in the spiritual realm he's weeping I bepped so you can have emotion in the spiritual realm soul part that emotion part is there he weeping and then one of the elder says John don't cry don't weep Jesus the line of the trapezoid the root of David he's going to open this so Jesus comes and now Jesus here is represented through the lamb he's got seven horns representing the perfect authority seven eyes omniscience knowledge of everything seven spirits his presence holy spirit so perfect complete in his authority omnipotence complete in his knowledge omniscience complete in his presence omnipresent sent out into all the earth seven spirits sent out all the earth omnipresence so this lamb is opening the scroll it worship going on everybody all the worshipping creatures the four living creatures all the elders and then we are seeing multitudes of people 10,000 times sorry angels on throne living creatures a number of them was thousands of so these are all living creatures living creatures an angel thousands and thousands around the throne they're worshipping the Lord with the loud voice and all of heaven all of heaven and earth worshiping blessing and honour and glory so this worship going on and there are people standing for the throne who they say we've been taken from every tribe, tongue and nation all of the redeemed saints of God standing for the throne worshipping so that's another reason we are saying this has happened the rapture has happened because now in chapter 5 we are seeing worship happen and we are seeing people from every tribe tongue and nation along with the four living creatures along with the 24 elders along with this innumerable company of angelic hosts along with all of them there is this great multitude of saints people involved in worship where did they come from so we are saying these are obviously people who have been raptured everybody is there Old Testament saints New Testament churches there they are worshipping the Lord and in their presence Jesus is taking the scroll and he is going to open the scroll that signifying that all these prophecies should now begin to be fulfilled so with that chapter 6 verse 1 we transition now to what's happening here on earth and on earth we start seeing these things begin to take place okay so we will pause here our time is up and we are going to pick up from chapter 6 verse 1 next week we will comment a little bit more on chapter 5 and then move on to chapter 6 okay because I am going to close in prayer please and will dismiss thank you Father thank you Lord for your grace and your mercy to reveal these things to us Father Lord Lord we thank you Father for helping us even understand these Lord it seems Lord answer mountable but thank you Father for giving your Holy Spirit Father giving the wisdom to pass Roshish Father Lord so that he is able to explain these things to us we pray Father may we be equipped with what you are teaching us Lord so that Lord these prophecies you have given us so that we could be prepared for the Lord we pray that you help us Lord to read and understand and perceive the truths that you revealed in this Lord and constantly remind ourselves Lord that we may have a heart of wisdom Lord and that we may grow in wisdom thank you for your love towards us Lord we Lord we thank you and praise you in Jesus precious name Amen thank you everyone enjoy the rest of your day we will connect next week God bless bye