 Hi, and welcome to Dare to Dream video and podcast, and it is my pleasure to be with you. And I guess when I say that, what I really want to know, because so many of you follow me through the podcast site, whether that's speaker, iTunes, or tune in, or a Stitcher, or Libsyn, or, you know, yada yada, wherever you're listening to me, I just want you to know if you ever like to check out the visuals, I highly recommend it, because I think for me personally it takes it to a heightened experience when you get to see an interview such as this, and you actually get to see the person, and their energy, and the animation, and the synergy that gets created. And maybe my reactions and my guest reactions. So for those of you who love the visual, check it out, youtube.com slash Deb on the radio, and for those of you who know audio, listen to my car, I know lots of you who like to do that, or your iPhone, or however you download the information, feel free to keep doing that, but just know you have options, and I love options. So this is Dare to Dream, and my guest who's going to be on a little bit later is Anita Morjani. It is such a pleasure for me to get to know people out there who actually have a really big presence, and for whatever reason did not come into my sphere until now, like, God, God, this is perfect timing. And she's a New York Times bestselling author of the book, Dying to Be Me. She's a speaker and intercultural consultant for multinational corporations. A little background in 2006, after suffering cancer for almost four years, Anita's organs started shutting down and she slipped into a deep coma. She was in that coma for 30 hours. She was rushed to the hospital, and she crossed over to the afterlife during what is referred to, and we all know this NDE or near death experience. So she came back here with choice. She chose to come back, and she has a lot of deeper lessons that she learned and a lot of things she's going to share with us. And I'm excited to get to know that. I also want to thank my sponsor. I really love you guys, I have to say, first of all, thank you for creating Who You Are, Thinkific, the software platform for anybody who's a small business and entrepreneur, author, speaker, healer, you got to check this out. So it's thnk.cc slash deb. You're going to get discounted prices for Dare to Dream Only. And why I bring it up is because a lot of entrepreneurs are working too hard and you want an online platform where you can sell your programs and your products with ease, drag and drop. It's easy, it's beautiful. You can make passive income. 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And I help you to create a unique and fierce presence through coaching to write a book, taking your book to a guaranteed international best seller and getting you scheduled on media interviews. I'm a certified coach. I help my clients stop living in the shadows so they can stand out in the light and fulfill their purpose. And boy, if I'm talking light and light workers, y'all have some purpose right now. So don't be afraid of visibility. Let it work for you and rock what you're here to do. So my guest, Anita more Johnny, you've already heard about the cancer, the coma and the choice to come back amazing because when she was there, she was receiving powerful truth and choices, physical form to come back to earth or continue off into this new realm and she chose to come back. And when she regained consciousness, her cancer began to heal. Amazing doctors. She was free of countless tumors and cancer indicators within weeks. She's been a featured guest on Dr. Oz on Fox News, the Today Show, CNN's Anderson Cooper, 316, the National Geographic Channel, as well as the Pearl Report in Hong Kong and Head Start with Karen DeVilla. If you would like to learn more about her, go to Anita or Johnny.com. It's M-O-O-R-J-A-N-I dot com. Anita, welcome to Dare to Dream. It's wonderful to have you. Wow. Thank you for that beautiful introduction, really. And I'm honored to be here. Me as well. And you have an incredible story. And before we get a bit into the story, what I'd really like to know is the right now. So what is the work that you're doing out in the world right now? So right now I am writing my third book. And I say my third book, third adult book because I've, so this is my third adult book, but I've done two children's books as well. And I am constantly out speaking. There's the potential of a movie being made by Hollywood of my story. So there is like, yeah, a lot of balls in the air right now. That's what right now is I'm also working on an online program. So I'm just juggling things and shifting between one project and another all day, every day. I'm curious when you say that and all the balls in the air, are any of these things that you put energy into an attention on or are they coming to you? They're coming to me. I don't believe in chasing and pursuing because this was one of the biggest lessons I learned in my near-death experience is that when you go after things, you're basically sending yourself the message that these are not rightfully mine or I'm not worthy of it. So I have to really work hard at chasing after it. But what I learned is that all I have to do is love myself and be who I am, be authentic, be myself. Don't be afraid to be myself fearlessly. Because when we are ourselves and we love ourselves enough to be ourselves and know that we're worthy and deserving, then whatever is truly ours just comes to us. And it doesn't mean you don't work. I work harder than I've ever worked before, but I don't go chasing after things. I select what feels right from what comes to me and I work on those. I love everything you just said. And there's a real peacefulness, right, a surrender to the flow of life about that. And also it seems to me it actually increases capacity to receive when you're a physician. Yes, because one of the things I've found about people who are in this genre, beautiful spiritual people who do this kind of work of speaking, of writing, of teaching and healing, this kind of work, they're very good at giving, but they're not good at receiving. And what happens is when we turn off our receiving channels, we start to become drained. We become drained and our energy kind of dries up. And then we find that we can't continue doing what we're doing. And so this is the big mistake that many of us make. And I realized that really the priority is to take care of myself so that I can keep doing what I do. Okay, this is big. And I'll tell you why I have goosebumps. I have a video thread with two dear friends. I'm not going to name them because they may listen to this. I'm going to urge them to listen to you, but two blonde beautiful women, incredibly spiritual, empathic, sensitive, deep, deep, deep doing big work. And the big thread that we've been sharing between ourselves is the thing that we keep hearing is I'm not taking care of myself. I'm exhausted. I'm worn down. I'm getting sick. I still need to do all this and I can't seem to extricate myself from it. I don't know what's next, but I can stop doing this. And I have, listen, I've been guilty of that most of my life, frankly, I've sacrificed myself. What I'm finding is that I have a ferocity right now. And so I told them 2019 is hashtag me first. I figure out what this well needs. I can fill it up in whatever capacity I need before I even consider going out there. And so it's already taking place. Like it's been gearing up to this and getting bigger and bigger. And I really want you to address this because I think this is predominant right now with people of no idea. They know they want to. They know they need to. But how the heck do I disconnect in order to step into that? Wow, okay. So this is the area that I am really working on right now. So in order to so to backtrack a little bit about my own life, why I work on this area of telling people they need to take care of themselves and they need to do it. It's more important they do that than take care of other people because the world needs them. So here's the thing. So I used to be a people pleaser and I pretty much would please people to the point that I became a doormat. And I was always thinking of other people first. I was always running myself ragged feeling everybody else's problems were bigger than mine. And it was exactly that I was helping people with cancer. I would be there for them. I would feel guilty if I did anything for myself. If someone else was suffering or struggling, I would feel who am I to do this for me? How can I even go shopping and have a good time when my friend when so and so is has cancer and is in the hospital and needs me there. So everybody came first. Everybody's problems were bigger than mine until I got diagnosed with cancer. And the emotions that went through my mind were really interesting because even though the first emotion was fear, it's like, I can't believe I have cancer, you know, and but the second emotion was, Ah, now I get to slow down and take care of myself. And this is the key that I tell people, you don't need an illness to take care of yourself. Your body is really wise and smart. And it wants to slow down. It wants you to take care of itself. It needs recharging just like your smartphone. You can't keep running it on a on a dead battery or a drained battery. So your body then manifests something to get you to slow down. And so this is why I actually tell people, you need to love yourself like your life depends on it because it does. And I've also noticed that from the people who write to me, the ones who are most susceptible to doing this to becoming doormats and people pleasers like me are empaths because we feel what everyone else is feeling. And because we feel what they're feeling, we need for them to feel good before we can feel good. And but here's the downside, the shadow side of that is that because we have this need for everyone to feel good, we attract people that maybe are bottomless pits, but just need for someone to make them feel good all the time. So we will, you know, so we're on this never ending treadmill because we think I'll feel good as soon as I make that person feel good. But what if you are because of the way you are, you're attracting people who are only attracted to you because you need them to feel good all the time? Do you see what I mean? I do. And so those are the kinds of relationships I was attracted to. And I continued to try and make people feel good even while I had cancer. The cancer progressed. I had over a period of four years, I ended up having it mystasticized and I had stage four lymphoma and I reached end stages where the doctors said that these were my final hours. I had tumors, some of them the size of lemons or golf balls from the base of my skull all around my neck, under my arms, into my abdomen. My lungs were filled with fluid. I mean, over the years, the cancer really, yeah, had mystasticized. I was in really bad shape. But even in that shape, I would worry about like, I didn't want visitors because I would think, if visitors come, I have to take care of them. It never occurred to me that these visitors were coming to take care of me. It was like, I have to put on my best face for them. I have to do this. So having visitors was a drain. I didn't want anybody to see me or come and visit me. It wasn't even the cancer that healed me of my affliction of being a people pleaser in a doormat. It was actually death. It was the NDE that where I realized like, oh my God, I have, you know, that's when I really realized that I have been sacrificing my own life to take care of other people and I never took care of myself. And the most important thing I can do is love myself, value myself, know that there is a purpose for me to be here. My purpose is not to be everybody else's doormat. And to know that only when I take care of myself can I actually serve my true purpose, which is what is needed here. And in serving my true purpose, I end up helping more people than if I was running around being everybody's doormat. Totally. So I am now wanting to go back to the near death experience. It's really dramatic and I get the movie part because here you are, coma, you're starting to shut down, the doctors are calling it and you slip off into another realm. So take us through that experience and what happens? What happened to you? What did you experience? How did this all happen? So I was in my final hours, my organs had shut down and I went into a coma and the doctors basically told my family that I wasn't coming out of the coma and this was it. So, but while I was in the coma, I was aware of everything that was happening around me. I was aware of my, excuse me, I was aware of what the doctors were doing. You know, they were poking needles into my veins and tubes and I was aware of everything they were saying and what my family was saying. But then it was like my awareness expanded. I was aware of things that were happening beyond the hospital room. I heard conversations between my husband and the doctor that were taking place outside in the hallway at the nurses station. But it was as if I had left my body and the further away or the further away from my body I went, the more I was experiencing, I felt more expanded. But I could see my physical body lying there on that hospital bed and it looked so small and insignificant because now I was feeling incredible. Like all the pain was gone. All the fear was gone. I used to fear cancer. I feared death and I feared the treatment of cancer. All of that fear was just gone. I just felt incredible. And then I felt as though I was surrounded by loving beings. I recognized some of them as my own relatives from this lifetime who had passed away. But I didn't recognize all of them. I mean, I could tell some of them were just basically, I guess you could say guardian angels, like just beautiful, powerful beings that were there to guide me. And they were all there like they were welcoming me. And it was the first time I felt loved so unconditionally. And I understood that I had always been loved, but I didn't know that. I just didn't know I'd always been loved. Because as a child I had been bullied and I had struggled with different things. Like I grew up in a culture and a race that was different from my own. And so I experienced discrimination. And so I never knew that I, in fact we all are, but you know, I never thought it of myself that I mattered. That I was someone who had a purpose and that I had people looking out for me. And I guess I never knew that we all did. I just believed some people were more significant than others. And I realized that this is there for all of us. We just have to realize it. We just have to become aware of it. I also understood that in actuality we are far more than five sensory beings. We are six or we have six or more senses. You know we all have intuition. We are all born with as six or more sensory beings. But we have been conditioned to believe that we are five sensory beings. And can I ask you when you say six or more, and you include intuition, totally makes sense, are there others? Well I think there are different grades. For example, I think that you know some people are just full-blown clairvoyant. Where they can see the spirits of other people and they become channels and readers and they contact your deceased loved ones. Other people just have this strong knowing and connection of their own purpose and why they came here. So I think there are different gradients. And the reason I say six or more is because I don't want to just limit as one sense, as a sixth sense. Whereas I think that the reason why we don't understand it so much is because we have suppressed it from the time we went to school, I guess. We have suppressed any other sense beyond the five physical ones. And because we've suppressed it, we haven't even developed a language to express it. But whereas if we embraced it and it was part of our learning, part of our schooling, part of our education, and there was language to talk about it, we would have explored it and we would have had language and words to describe deeper into the different gradients of what is beyond these five senses. So basically I'm talking about anything that is beyond these five senses. Does that kind of make sense? Totally. Yeah, that's cool. I like it. Uh-huh. Yeah. So I mean, I sometimes say like if you imagine that you lived in a world where nobody had sight, just imagine that, that nobody had sight. You know, and on the one hand, if you don't have sight, your intuition is developed. But think about a world where there's no eyesight, then the language that you develop will not have anything that you need to be able to see. For example, colors. There's no way to identify a color unless you have eyesight. So you wouldn't know, for example, that the sky is blue unless, you know, you wouldn't be able to differentiate, say, two plates. If one is blue and one is pink, but they're identical in every other way, and you're holding them, and if you don't have sight, you're like, no, they feel exactly the same. And so if we lived in a world where nobody had sight and we were all born without sight, the words for colors wouldn't exist. You would not have blue, pink, green, you know, like the entire spectrum of colors would not be in our reality. So in the same way, because we've suppressed our intuition, an entire spectrum of words would have been developed, had we accepted intuition as being as real as our other five senses, our sense of sight, our sense of smell, our sense of taste, intuition is actually as real as those are the five, but we have neglected it, in fact, to the point of labeling it as our imagination, which is crazy. It's as real as the other five. And if we learned to accept it, then we would have developed a language for it. Like, and I know many people feel this way and is that when I was a child, I used to see things, I used to see beings, but I was told it was my imagination and I started to fear it and I was taught that ghosts are to be feared. So I started to fear it and because I feared it, it stopped happening. But if we embraced it, we would have language for it and we would identify that these are our own relatives here to help us. Amazing. So you are there. You're met by your family, some that you recognize, some feel are angels. You're feeling a euphoria and a freedom you have never felt before. Yes. And what happens next? So I met my dad who had died eleven years prior to this experience and he was there to greet me and I learned like a lot of things like the things that I just said to you. I learned that being, that we are very much six or more sensory beings, that intuition is very real, that we had suppressed it. I learned that I had to love myself, like my life depends on it, and that it's not selfish to love myself. It's in fact imperative because that's the only way that you can fulfill the purpose and the intention with which you came out into this world. And then when I started to realize all these things, I started to wonder like, how come I'm only finding this out when I'm dying? It's such a waste. Why didn't I know it when I was born? And then I had the understanding that actually we are all born knowing it, but it gets conditioned out of us. Every single one of us is born knowing that we have a purpose and we're coming here to leave the world a better place than before we came, but we forget our purpose and we get conditioned with different things. And so anyway, I reached a point and I'm kind of, there's a lot to this and I could talk about it for hours, but I reached a point where I was made to understand that this is as far as I could go. And if I went any further, I wouldn't be able to turn back. Now, no part of me wanted to turn back because I had just left a sick and dying body. I had been suffering. I'd been in pain and fear, so no part of me wanted to turn back. But that was when my dad said to me, now that you know the truth of who you really are, if you choose to go back, your cancer will heal and it'll heal very quickly. So, I want to say also that in that state, I was in what I call a state of clarity where everything made sense. It wasn't like, you know, I call it a state of God because it changed my understanding of what God is. I used to think God was like a being and I used to project human qualities. Yes, human qualities onto God and God had a gender, male gender. I don't feel that anymore. God is the collective of all of us, all of energy, all the universe. And I became one with that energy. So, it's like a state of clarity. So, it's not like you have some male God telling you, this is what you need to learn. It's almost like you awaken to this clarity. It's like, I get it now. Oh, my God, this makes sense. I understand why I had the cancer. It's more like that as opposed to somebody, you know, talking down to you. And it's like being in a state of all that is where everything is known and like having a glimpse or emerging with it for a brief period of time where it's just so clear. I understood how every thought and every decision I had made during my life had somehow contributed to me being that person who got the cancer. And so it was with this state of clarity that my dad said, now that you know this truth, you need to go back. You need to go back and live your life fearlessly. And when I really got that, I did. I made the decision to come back. What was that like? So, you make a decision and does something happen quickly or was it a transition and graceful? Was it abrupt? It was really like literally immediately that when I made the decision that I started opening my eyes and coming out of the coma. However, yeah, so even though I was opening my eyes, however, my brain hadn't adjusted yet. So I couldn't differentiate between that side, that realm and this realm. And it was like I had one foot on each side. So as I was opening my eyes and I'd been in the coma for about 30 hours, like not even two days. But I was opening my eyes and my family were like ecstatic. Oh my god, you're opening your eyes and they were around me. And I said, and so I was talking as though I was still on the other side. I said, dad is here. Dad says it's not my time. And so they were wondering like what am I saying? They couldn't figure it out. And then I started to say things. I was like completely, like when I put in both worlds, yes. And I was mixing both worlds up. And I was saying to my husband, didn't the doctors say these were my final hours? But he's wrong because dad says it's not my time. I'm going to be fine. We can take these tubes out. And they were like whoa no don't take the tubes out because and the doctors came rushing in and they said I was still really critical. But what was blowing everyone away was that I was relaying to them conversations that they said there was no way that I could have heard. Because they were, you know, they said when I said but didn't the doctors say these were my final hours? My husband said oh my god there's no way you could have heard that. We said that outside the room down the hallway. That's where the doctor told me. And so things like that. And then I said isn't that the doctor that was putting the tubes into my veins? And that doctor said you couldn't have seen that. You were in a coma. And so that kind of blew them away and they knew something had happened. But it took about three or four days for me to start to realize what had happened. But the tumors were just shrinking. They were just like they were melting away and the doctors couldn't explain it. And one of the doctors, my oncologist said I don't even know what to write in the medical records because your tumors have shrunk 70% within a week. And he said I have no explanation for what's going on. And in three and a half weeks they could find no trace of cancer in my body. Wow. That is amazing. That is such a beautiful story on every level. I mean first of all from the standpoint the lessons you're already realizing as you're in critical stages of cancer that you've been taking care of everybody. You have not been taking care of yourself. The thing you feared the most is actually occurring to you. And the experience of death you feared the most is imminent at this point. And then the fact that you transition, it's like so much grace to be held and loved through that experience, to have that incredible, you know, expansion. The all, like molecules, the all that is, the energy is everything on a quantum level and yet be able to have that kind of intimacy to know you've always been loved, you've always been held, like most of us you just didn't know it or had been taught otherwise. And the choice you're given and the bravery to come back. I do have to say I love the idea that your dad gave you a bit of a guarantee. But he said when you go back your body's going to heal. You won't have to be in that anymore. So that's like, I'm sure helped you a lot to make that choice. But I also love the fact of coming back and that everybody was mystified. And especially the doctors because that's a point when science and spirituality are married, which I feel is where we should be fully existing right now and and instead of an or. And you know, I don't know where that would take them and how that would impact their life or their practice, but it is there for them to do so. And I know when you came back Anita, that you had a lot of deep lessons that you learned and started to employ. And I want to get into that in the next segment and find out what it is you came back with that has created who you are right now. And we're just going to take a little brief break to say you are listening to Dare to Dream podcast. This is Debbie Dashinger and I'm thrilled that you are here with us listening to this amazing conversation. And I hope it's impacting you and maybe some of the life choices you've been making and can potentially make differently going forward. If you would like a free gift that I give to you about how to gain free publicity, how you can get interviewed, use publicity to become the go to expert in your field so your tribe can find you, go to debbiedashinger.com and download it. It's D-E-B-B-I-D-A-C-H-I-N-G-E-R dot com. Get your free gift. And if you are just starting to watch or tune in after we've begun, this is Debbie Dashinger Dare to Dream and my guest today is Anita Morjani. Her website is AnitaMorjani.com. Before I open up Anita to the broader idea of the deeper lessons there's something you kept saying that is for me very big the idea of self love and you've run it up several times and I know it's something we all talk about right self love self love. You know you can't love anybody else you love yourself and I know that you say that love is not a luxury and that love isn't conditional it's our birthright. I want to know from you the importance of love and also if self love is so important how do we actually get there what is it we need to lower get out of our way invite in let me know how do we actually create self love so that is a great question so the thing is currently a lot of people believe that self love means loving this physical body which is true it is loving this physical body but it's much more than that so people say to me that you know I take care of myself I follow the right diet and all these kinds of things and so they tell me this and they say I love myself but still my life isn't quite going the way I want it to or they say I'm doing the affirmations and I'm liking how I look or whatever but my life isn't working the way I want it to so what I tell people is that self love is realizing that you are more than just a physical body and that you actually have a greater purpose and it's about allowing yourself to be who you are so this is a big topic for me because I do entire workshops on this topic so I'm going to try and condense it right down I actually do retreats on this topic and I'll tell you why it's such a big topic because I tell people that your what you see your physical body is like the tip of the iceberg so you know if you know an iceberg what you see above the water is only about 20 percent of the entire iceberg if you went underwater the what's under the water is actually bigger than what you see above water so in other words even with us with the human being the spiritual being this physical part we see is only a small percentage of the non physical part and that is one of the biggest lessons I learned when I was on the other side that even everything my physical self had been through I have been through bullying I have been through being racially discriminated against I've been through different various struggles I've been through having cancer but the realization in that realm was oh my gosh but this physical body has been through all that but what it's done is that it's enriched the spiritual body which is so much greater and it's made this spiritual body more powerful more deeper and more able to to fulfill its purpose of changing the world or being bigger and being more confident in doing what it needs to do but the but the first thing you need to do is to realize that this physical body is not the whole you it is only like a fraction of you it's only the tip of the iceberg so that's really the first part of it and then the second part is getting in touch with the whole you and finding the purpose of the whole you and why you're here and when you put things into context it's like I wouldn't change anything that happened to me none of it because everything that I have been through all that struggle all that suffering times when I have wanted to change to end my own life today has put me in a position where I can help so many more people than if I if I still believed I was just that little person that little tip of the iceberg who was running myself ragged being a doormat for every person that came my way today I can actually write and speak and stand on stage and shout from rooftops what it is to understand that you are actually an empathic being the world needs you you need to step into your power and you are much bigger than you think and and I can give people tangible examples from my own life where people will relate people who are thinking of ending their life will relate to what I'm saying people going through bullying who going through racial discrimination people who are going through cancer or the fear of illness they all relate to what I'm saying and so this is why I wouldn't change anything wow so that's yeah so I guess the big part of loving yourself is realizing that your physical self even though you do have to take care of it that's not all of who you are you're just the tip of the ice iceberg I just produced an anthology book called I am still here trials turned into transformation and I did it for the exact reasons you're saying I went to an ending of a nine and a half year relationship that was actually pretty traumatic and it took me and yeah it took me at least a year to get back on my proverbial feet and to want to even live so I really intimate intimately understand you know and again sacrificing myself somebody else's business took me down and it really was hard to refine myself but I have a lot of amazing healers in my life and God bless them for really showing up like that was totally the angels on the other side not going to let you go and when I came out the other side I felt so powerfully about it you know there had just been the deaths of Kate Spade and Anthony Bourdain yes which crushed me because I was a huge fan of Anthony Bourdain's and I it was mystifying and yet I intimately understood and I thought I have to do something because so many are suffering and so I gathered authors who had also contemplated from various walks of life and through something so traumatic but found their way to come back even better more whole more healed and we each wrote a chapter about our stories in the hopes that we can help others out there so I it just feels like moved when you're talking about this and when you're mentioning the love and the lessons one thing that I know Anita because I know a lot of people have been through near-death experiences and the pattern I've seen is that they go into a near-death experience one way they actually pass other side choice and then choose to come back but they're different different talents and skills they have different ways of thinking and abilities was this so for you oh a hundred percent a hundred percent I mean before the near-death experience I was that doormat I was that person that was self-sacrificing I was that people pleaser I was the person who got cancer and and what I found after the near-death experience was that it was it was really hard because I had changed so dramatically because I understood that that person who I was was the person who who got cancer in other words if I went back to being that same person I would only get cancer again that's so make sense I so get that wow okay yeah and so this is why I talk to a lot of people who have cancer or who have had cancer because many people who have had cancer have this fear that it's going to come back and I talk to them about that fear and I tell them that person got cancer you don't have to be that person anymore it's not a physical illness and this is the part where I'm really going into stuff which is highly controversial which people who've had cancer people who are empaths people who are on this track they will understand me and I have enough and I know enough people who do understand me and get what I'm saying but it's a very provocative and controversial amongst maybe the medical mainstream and and it is exactly that that the fear of cancer is a bigger disease than the cancer itself and in order to get out of that fear I actually help people to find the pattern in their lives that brought them to that place where they got cancer and they find it very easily because here's the other thing I've noticed and I want to say there's no research to back this up but I'm purely going by the people who have come to my events and who have written to me everybody who's written to me who has said they have cancer are empaths and they are people who have spent a lifetime of serving others making others feel better who have believed that it's selfish to take care of themselves who have bought into the belief that not only that it's selfish to take care of themselves but also that the work the spiritual healing work they do has to be done for free so they're struggling financially and they've also bought into the belief that the ego is bad we have to suppress our ego and the thing is those beliefs that spiritual that we shouldn't charge for spiritual work that we have to suppress the ego those beliefs are not good for empaths they work against empaths and that is one of the things I learned when I was on the other side and so our body gets so tired I used to suppress my ego because I believed it was it was bad that we're supposed to transcend our ego suppress our ego so I would squash my ego down and every time I wanted to do something for myself I would feel no no that's my ego I have to keep serving I have to keep serving other people and I squashed my ego so small to the point that I became invisible that my needs were not honored that is a typical empath thing to do Dee, this is so awesome I just know there's so many people resonating on any part of that spectrum so foes again we're going to come back I promise you deeper lessons in this and also I want to go a little bit into law of attraction and healing power of transformation so we can really do a full circle here remember the amazing sponsors and I thank them thank them thinktific it just seems like 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deeper lessons tell me amongst all the amazing things you've been sharing which already feel so profound what else did you learn that felt very deep and transformational to you Daphs there were so many so let me start with this this particularly applies to people who are empaths and people who are super sensitive and particularly though full-blown empaths that if you are somebody who is super sensitive or you are a full-blown empath what that means is that you feel things very deeply you feel you're connected to a world beyond this one and so you can feel other people's feelings within you now what it means so in a way it's a double-edged sword because on the one hand empaths are the ones who are most likely to feel their intuition to feel things beyond this world but the double-edged sword is that empaths are also the most likely because they want everyone around them to feel good they are also most likely to listen to everyone around them so the biggest thing I learned is that instead of giving my power away to everyone outside of me trying to quieten all the voices outside of me I had to give more power to my inner voice so in instead of having an outside in world of the view where the outside world is real I have to react to what's happening outside no as an empath I had to refrain from doing that and go inside and react to what my inside was telling me that was the biggest thing I learned and that has been so key and so important to me and I know that when I lose my way it's because I've been giving my power to the voices outside of me and usually the more aggressive voices are the ones we end up giving our power to and we have to stop doing that we have to be aware that we have a tendency of doing that and we really have to take the most the most powerful voice as the one being inside of us we have to tune in we have to sit quiet we have to connect with nature do whatever we can but always check in first but empaths because we're so eager to please everyone outside of us because we feel what they're feeling we tend to do it the other way and so I say it's a double-edged sword because empaths have the deepest connection to the inner world and yet tend to give our power to the outside world so this is so big this is like this so bears repeating or reversing and replaying this is like a mic drop boom I am so blown away by what you're sharing I really am and I want to like reiterate what I'm hearing and make sure I'm hearing this correctly as empaths as the deep sensitives first of all you said so I have never heard before because I am so that I'm a clear sentient so it's deep in my space I'm also an extreme extrovert so to be very extroverted I love going to workshops and being social and being with people and also being a satellite dish it can be very interesting because I can get depleted very quickly and that's interesting to manage and I hear you saying we actually have access to the other world the other side I assume like the spiritual realm yes never heard before and that's amazing and by virtue of who we are we really are built with such deep sensitivity and connection inside yes that would be our superpower yes yet we're our own kryptonite and instead of employing that superpower we are instead going outside to the world and the people and society whatever else and saying who how do you feel is everything okay can I make you happy you know what am I doing wrong everything else and of course perceiving everybody's everything yes and basing our life on that and reaction to that as opposed to letting that go coming back inside where everything already is and letting that be our real connection and wisdom guide boom you got it you got it you got it in one and there's more layers to this because once you unpack it here's the other thing we do as empaths we go outside to teachers to gurus when our own inner guru is inside of us we give our power to other teachers and gurus and I'm not saying teachers are bad it's great having teachers and gurus and people to turn to but always know that you have access inside so what I tell people is go to see teachers go and learn things go I mean I want people to come to my workshops but the purpose of my workshop is to empower you it's to tell you that you need to believe in you I'm not asking you to believe in me that's my point yeah so it's like go see these people that probably your wisdom tells you to go see and it's more tools for your toolbox but they are not the leader the guide or in the light and the way it's actually already here you just have more tools yes in 100% so when you are following your inner guidance you will be guided to the right teachers and leaders who will take you further on that path but whereas if you are feeling that you have surrendered your power and believe that you can't get there without a particular teacher or a particular teacher feels makes you feel that you can't do it without them then they're not the right teacher for you they need to make you feel empowered in other words the job of the teacher the spiritual teacher the healer even healers don't be afraid to go to healers right but the job of each of these people is to awaken something within you so they eventually become redundant in your life the job is not to create dependency it's to create redundancy and that's the difference between a cult leader and a true teacher you know Dr. Sue Morter has been on this show and before we actually started recording the show she brought up your name and I guess you guys are buddies and kind of live close and all of that and I see why she adores you so much and I see why because she's also like for me unbelievably incredible she is I can imagine that I can and can't imagine the two of you together but that must be magic oh it's amazing she's she's gone on a book tour right now and I miss her so much because she's literally five minutes down the road from me wow how lovely well you guys have to Face Timer Skype or something while she's on the road but I really get it because she spoke so highly of you and and well deserved oh wow this is our final segment so I have a couple of key questions I'd like to go through so I want to start here can you still access that NDE other side light total freedom but now you're here back in physical form is there any translation still like you can access that if you want or you're here with the less so I do access it I need to access it to recharge my batteries all the time and it's not it's not as hard or far away as it may seem because actually it's not the veil is so thin that it almost doesn't exist the veil between that realm and this realm that it almost doesn't exist so and I'm sure a lot of your listeners will will relate to this that they can feel it so here's what prevents people from accessing it because it's actually very accessible what prevents people from accessing it is the belief that it's our imagination which it isn't your imagination actually is the key to to accessing this the other thing is what gets me annoyed is that in in this world of material scientists and all we are the ones who are made to feel woo-woo because when we talk about it and so we don't so we don't talk about it or at least you know we're careful where we talk about it but in actuality I believe that what I experience and the way I've applied it to my life is the real way and it's the way we're meant to believe meant to do it and I feel the ones who are struggling and suffering the most are the ones who have shut off this other side but once you're aware it's there once you allow yourself to go inward it's not hard to access it at all it's like when I had the NDE it was like a reminder of who I really am and a reminder that it's always there for me and it was like the door opened again and it hasn't closed that's kind of what it feels like that's grace your videos you've got and for folks who are listening and love this she's got tons of videos she does facebook lives you can easily follow her and get even more you discuss in your videos and on your website the idea of unpacking the law of attraction so I would be very curious to hear your unique understanding of LOA as we like to call it or the law of attraction sure so when I had cancer I had people telling me all the time that your thoughts create your reality and you attracted it with your thoughts and this idea actually frightened me because I thought of myself as a very positive person I actually did I was always cheerful I always made sure I was cheerful and happy for everyone but it made me fear my thoughts because I feared the cancer and I believed that my fear for the cancer is what caused the cancer and so I would try and suppress that fear but I would fear my fear thinking oh my god this fear of my thoughts and this fear of cancer is now increasing the cancer because my thoughts are creating my reality or attracting my reality so this made me go into this whole downward spiral of fear because I was fearing the cancer and I was fearing my thoughts about fear you can't win you can't win you're metaphysical and you can't win yeah you can't win and it was only when I was in the other side did I realize that the most important thing is to love yourself and to know that you are deserving and worthy so when I anyway when I had the cancer I was doing all the vision boards and everything I was taking pictures of people who were healthy and fit and were putting it on my vision board and because that was what I wanted more than anything you know was to be healthy and fit and that was what I focused on when I was on the other side that's when the true clarity came to me that when you know your purpose when you know you are so much more when you love yourself and you know that you need to love yourself and you're worthy and deserving of all the things you came here to be and experience you don't need to worry about the law of attraction anymore because when you love yourself you allow yourself to be authentic like when I said my dad said go and live your life fearlessly what he meant was go and be yourself fearlessly when you allow yourself to be who you are then you already attract who you are authentically in other words the way the law of attraction works is we don't attract by our thoughts we attract by who we are and the more you love yourself and the more you live authentically the more what you attract reflects that so you don't even have to watch your thoughts when you watch your thoughts you're sending yourself the message that my thoughts are not good enough I have to suppress them I have to watch them that I am flawed that I am negative so I have to be more positive you're actually sending yourself the opposite message and you're telling yourself that there's something wrong with me and that's why I have to watch my thoughts when you suppress your fears you're telling yourself my fears are unjustified they're bad so I have to suppress it so I tell people just be who you are if you're fearful in this moment allow it just allow it and once you let it out it passes but when you suppress it it stays there with you for longer and every time it rears its head you suppress it more because you think it's going to attract a negative reality but when you realize that all of you is perfect you don't judge it you stop having to worry about the law of attraction because you attract from the space of realizing that I am fine I love myself the other thing I also tell people is that I don't do vision boards anymore because what has manifested in my life is so much bigger and better than anything I could have envisioned and so when you allow yourself to truly be who you are maybe what life has in store for you is much bigger than any goal or vision that you can come up with for your vision board that is so awesome you know every time I've ever been in a space where there's somebody speaking and they say where do you see yourself in five years have a picture of where you are in 10 years I just I don't know if it's not I mean I think I'm visual but I go inside and there's nothing I can't even I have no idea so I love the freedom you're talking about like why even go there because it's actually limiting right yes it contracts the jar of who you are where you live as opposed to like being this and allowing and receiving probably way beyond what we ever expected we could and should exactly because as an empath you always play yourself down it's like you're gonna say no there's no way I'm going to be doing this or I'm going to be a speaker or an author there's no there's no way but the thing is you don't even have to think about that all you're doing is being authentic and loving yourself as much as you can in this moment that's all you have to do and if you do that in every moment you have no idea what's in store for you well many decades ago I was in a 12-step program and I very much loved the big book as they call it and although I couldn't probably quote almost anything from it the one thing I actually got out of it that was life changing for me was this phrase and acceptance is the answer to all my problems today and although I think most people interpreted I could be wrong most people interpreted as oh I have an issue over here if I just accept it everything will be fine but something happened to me along the way and I started to realize I actually suppressed my emotions so if I felt angry it was not okay to be angry right I didn't even know what to process it if I was disappointed and deeply hurt I had no idea what to do with it and one day that phrase came up and acceptance is the answer to all my problems today and I thought wow what if I just sat with this and felt angry what if I gave myself permission to be angry that's it and it's amazing like okay I felt it I gave myself permission I said yeah that makes sense based on what happened and what was crazy awesome to me and unexpected is that it transmuted like that like the anger was gone and I thought oh my god all this time I was so busy resisting it and keeping it in place when in fact when I gave myself permission to feel what was real it actually managed itself and left my body wow you put that so beautifully you really put it beautifully and that is exactly it because up until then until I had the NDE I was resisting so much of who I am and every kind of teaching spiritual teaching that I had learned up to that point had it could possibly be my own misinterpretation so I don't want to blame any anybody or any teaching but judging things as being bad or wrong or not the way to do it you're kind of watching yourself and you're resisting and you're suppressing so you put that so beautifully because the NDE freed me to just be who I am and not resist anything if I feel anger it's like okay that's what I'm feeling right now obviously a part of me needs to feel that if I feel fear okay that's what I'm feeling right now and all of it just passes it passes when there's no resistance hmm I love that I love what you said ditto and so this is Dare to Dream Anita and I know you're not doing visions or setting goals do you have a Dare to Dream do you have a space something you'd love to create that's not here yet yeah I do in fact it's interesting because even though I say I don't do the whole goals or anything but yeah I do dream and my dreams have got bigger they were really small years ago but when I've seen what's happening and what can happen my dreams have got bigger and bigger and I would love I guess my real dream is that I would love to be involved in a big way in some kind of I don't know whether it's a to say it's a paradigm because it's so big it has no words where there is a complete change in this world as to how illness and cancer is viewed where mainstream and I would love to be involved in it but where the mainstream way of treating cancer is no longer chemotherapy radiation drugs and sterile hospitals where people feel even more fear and and see just by going into hospital where it's completely the opposite where it's recognized that people who have cancer in fact they should be feeling they should be made to feel good and not even more fear of their cancer so in other words it's huge because our medical system medical paradigm is huge but to actually have a complete rehauling of the way we view cancer the way we label it maybe even get rid of that word completely and see it as something different I mean it's so huge that it's not even tangible but to really yeah for the fear of cancer to be gone because people suddenly see it differently in a huge way I'm just moved to share this I typically would never after asking someone their dreams so I want to like let that sit for a minute because it's a beautiful dream and I hope we're all giving it energy to create my brother had stage four cancer squamous cell I think it's three years ago four years ago and it was big right and he went through the chemo he went through the radiation he went through a subsequent surgery and so forth and to fast forward he is clean today completely clean healthy all of that and it changed his life so he's a very well known Grammy nominated composer and his wife therapist social worker and also meditation teacher and it changed the paradigm of everything they do because on top of what he still does as a profession he couldn't stand what it was like being in the waiting room where you're already anxious in a doctor's office about the news you might get or the tests you may have or the pain and then there's a television with news right so they created a television that has beautiful scenery that has incredible expressions on it and music that is by the way even for healthy people the most beautiful thing I've ever seen the most calming and they also created a free meditation app to support cancer caregivers doctors as well as the patients so that if and while they're going through this they can actually have meditations specific to what they're going through to change their world and more you know now they have booths since people over the country and they did Fran Drescher's cancer schmancer recently and and so it's amazing something so messy and tragic like that how when you make the choice for it to be opportunity on the other side it can completely change the trajectory of who you are and what you offer out into the world Wow that's beautiful what your brother's done that's really really beautiful good on him because that is exactly what I'm thinking of because I know that even the cancer that I had I know that if I knew then what I know now I would never have got cancer and so this is why I think that our whole cancer paradigm the way we understand it the way that our medical model believes or thinks that cancer is purely a physical illness that needs to be attacked with physical you know just purely on the physical level with drugs and diagnostic tools I actually believe that's not where the cure for cancer will be found I think it'll be found when we really understand what are the triggers within each person that causes that and I look forward to a day when we consider things like chemotherapy and radiation and the traditional diagnostic tools like mammogram and all this when we consider all these being a very archaic way of treating an illness that is not purely physical I really believe that illnesses start you know I told you that all you that we are just the tip of an iceberg and more of us is unseen illness starts at that unseen level and that is the level that needs to be looked at and healed and recognized not at the physical when we heal that level the physical will heal that's what I truly believe that's what I'd like to see and because of that I've actually also developed meditations and things like there's a musician by the name of Barry Goldstein I don't know if you've heard of him I have yeah yeah because he's done meditation CDs with Neil Donald Walsh and Joe Dispenza so he and I are currently working on our second of meditation CD the first one we put out in 2016 which is also to help people going through illnesses and and other challenges so that it helps them to go inward and work through whatever issues they have so that it helps them to become that changed person like for example what you said about your brother he's completely changed he's not that person anymore who had the cancer and one of the reasons why doctors tell people you have you're not cured you're in remission is because they believe there's a chance that the cancer will come back and I actually think from the greater perspective the reason why they're seeing it come back in people is because people haven't healed at the true level the deeper level they've only just attacked it on the physical level with the physical tools that the doctors provide but when you heal it at the real level at the metaphysical level you know that it's not going to come back you stop fearing it you're at a different level that's where I try and take people who have cancer or who have had cancer take them to that space where they know this is what caused it I'm not that person anymore I'm not in remission I am done with cancer and I tell them that if they're told that they're in remission turn that word into remember my mission oh my god that's so amazing remember my mission yeah and if they remember their mission they're done with it they're done with cancer Anita Morjani you are welcome on this show any time that was extraordinary conversation an offering of so much valuable content and I feel deeply moved by being with you today wow thank you thank you you ask amazing questions and I could you know I thoroughly loved this this interview as well very very much so thank you again you can find her at anitamorjani.com feel free to post your comments trust me I read them and see them all and I love that you love the show and I I already can imagine all that you have to share and the wisdom you're gaining from today's conversation I end today's show with a quote from Anita Morjani which is you see in every moment you have a choice to either honor the part of you that craves something more or to continue squeezing into a role that doesn't fill your cup in the next weeks on Dare to Dream I'm featuring Anna Raimondi and Vicki Gay these are going to be big transformational conversations and remember that's Dare to Dream your number one transformational conversation go to debbydashinger.com to get your publicity report for free how to become the go-to expert and be interviewed today on media your online platform for any programs you want to sell to make passive income THNK.cc slash deb and remember the secret of success is having the courage to begin in the first place thanks for joining us today on Dare to Dream