 I work in. All right, I should be going right now, right? Okay, someone asked about these old lithium batteries, although someone also told me that, Jamie, if you're doing a talking video, you shouldn't put it on Jamie Builds, you should do it on Jamie Talks. But what if I'm talking about building? Well, somebody just has to make the call. Who's gonna decide that? Oh, wait, me, because it's my channel, obviously. So save your breath. Anyway, okay, so a little while ago, someone asked me about these old lithium batteries that I bought several years ago. And they were used when I bought them. I just got them off eBay. There were like tons of them being sold at the time. So I bought a few. And hello, Mr. Landville, what are you doing? I'm just answering a quick question here because it's easier than typing it, especially when several people have asked about this. Okay, so, you know what? I'm gonna turn this over so the camera's a little higher. Okay, so basically he was asking, what happened with those batteries? You used them for a while and then they just kind of disappeared and we don't know what happened. All right, so I bought a bunch of them and I happened to just get a bunch out right now because remember a little while ago, I made that battery suitcase? So all these batteries down here were inside this with a BMS and it was all set up fancy and nice and it has a little voltage readout on it and everything. However, like a chunk right here is dead. So the BMS was faulted and it wouldn't work at all. So I rooted around and found out that there's like a whole chunk here that's totally dead and a chunk over here that's like mostly dead and I think I've gotten to the point where I've squeezed all the life I can out of these things and so I'm gonna take them to the battery recycling place. But when I got them, how many years ago? I don't know, it was like four years ago or something, five years ago, it was a while ago. So I got them and they've been, I've used them in all three of my boats. So I had a bunch of them in the green boat that I was driving that was like my main boat for a while. For about six months, I was driving all over the place like crazy on those batteries until the motor I had in that boat which was a 48 volt motor died. And I didn't wanna set up a 48 volt system in that boat in the first place but I got this motor donated and I was like, well, it's pretty cool motor, let me use it. I'll set up one 48 volt system. So when that motor died after six months, which was so annoying, I switched the power system back to 24 volts to match everything else I have. And when I did that, I took the batteries out because I kept getting little problems down then like a cell would die and then I have to get it, pull them out and root around and find the dead cell. And usually that dead cell would take a whole block of cells with it, all the ones that are in parallel. So I replaced those and get it all working again. But at that point I was like, well, let me just take them out. But then I also had them in the little white boat and in the big cargo boat. And the cargo boat, I was powering all kinds of things off it. I didn't get video of all this but I was driving around on it but then also just powering just all kinds of stuff like tools and stuff when I was out doing things. So I did get a lot of use out of those batteries. However, it eventually got to the point where cells were dying kind of faster than it was worth replacing them. So, and this was, why is there a hair on my face? Get out of here. So this block of batteries here that came out of my battery suitcase that was kind of the last ones that I was still using. And I was gonna put that on my kid car that's up on the top of the hill, which I can drive around kind of medium speed if the sun is out, but it doesn't have any batteries. I was gonna put that on, it'd be a perfect battery for that. It'd even be oversized for that. But when I pulled out the suitcase, the BMS wouldn't give me an electricity so I disconnected it and rooted around, found there's like two different sections of cells that are dead and I was just like, all right, this is, I need to just send these to heaven. I think they're done. I did get a lot of use out of them before they're done though, but at this point they're done. And I gotta say, after dealing with used lithium batteries and trouble shooting them constantly and all this stuff, it is so nice having some brand new batteries like the ones I have on the boat right now. So nice. So I think for the kid car, I should just get a battery for it. Anyway, so that's what happened to those batteries. Let me just see what's going on here in comments. I'm not gonna turn this into like a three hour talking thing. I was just gonna answer a quick question, but oh, hello Scott and Tacoma and Mr. Landfill. You the man. I'm the man cell because that's my last name. Anyway, Mike, how's it going? Hit the thumbs up everyone. Mr. Landfill has always thumbs up in everyone. The ladies must love you. Then the ladies love the thumbs up, right? I forgot about your channel years ago. So cool to be back role model. Well, thanks man. I can't even read your name because it has fancy letters. Name, bore, name bear something. Anyway, Blackwater Boys. How's it going? Hey man, I wish I had an alarm that tells me when you go live. Well, I mean, sometimes, I mean, I try to do one every Sunday, but this I was just going through these batteries, you know, getting to the point where I decided they're done. And I remembered someone asked me, I mean, a lot of people have asked me about these batteries. So I just wanted to give the answer there. This paste you is a yo-yo, what's up? Yeah, old lithium batteries, pain in my ascii. Yeah, man. So it is kind of cool to have the experience of using some used lithium batteries. So I know what it's like toward their end of their life. So I know what happens when they're dying and you know how to deal with it and all that crap. And kind of the accelerating death they experience. Like once they start having problems, it just compounds and gets worse and worse. Yeah, they're an example of a technology that works amazingly as long as everything's perfect. So yeah, it is really nice having the new batteries now. So those old ones are done. So nanosaur, the other name's already confusing. I bet the font doesn't help. Yes, the font doesn't help, the font is cool though. Font, that's the word I was looking for, not letters. New batteries are the jam, yeah. It's like one bad apple ruins the bunch. Yeah, man, when you have a lithium battery pack, one bad cell, oh, it just takes them all with it. And what happens when you have a bad cell? I mean, there's a little bit of an upside to this. If you're not using a battery management system, a BMS, which I'm kind of glad I wasn't, because what I'm about to explain. So if you have a dead cell, generally what happens is the cell shorts, which means it's basically the cell turns into a wire. Like it just lets the electricity go right through and doesn't do anything. So when I was running a 24 volt battery thing on my boat, at some point, like one entire section died. And to get the 24 volts, there are eight different sections because they're more or less three volts each-ish. You know, the voltage always goes up and down. But say they're roughly, let me find a spot. This is a terrible spot. This bad lighting, hold on. I'll just stand where I was, fine. Okay, so it's basically a whole bunch of three volt sections that add up to 24 volts. So if you have one section that dies and one cell can take down that whole section, you have one section that dies, it ends up shorting itself. So it just kind of removes itself from the equation. So you can still use the battery just at a lower voltage. So as long as you don't have a BMS, and I would not recommend using these batteries without a battery management system. But if you're in a situation, you know, where you're like, well, you know, maybe I can get another couple months of use out of these batteries, you know, after a chunk has died, you can kind of do it. I wouldn't recommend it. It's a little risky, but you know. So you can keep using them, but not recommended. I didn't let anyone else get in the boat once the battery started getting really sketchy, but I used them for like another six months after that before I was like, all right, this is getting a little too much. And, you know, decommissioned them. I didn't make a video about decommissioning the batteries because I didn't think it was that interesting. All right, let's see. Sorrows travel not in single spies, but in battalions. What's the timber cross in the yard? Do you mean the concrete cross? I don't know. The guy who used to own this island was very superstitious. So I'm wondering if it was to ward off spirits because he's always doing stuff to ward off evil spirits. G'day from Australia. Oops, I just spit on myself. G'day, mate. Oh, just know what you're doing without BMS. Yeah, if you're not using a BMS, you just gotta pay attention and be aware of what's going on. Where do you dispose of batteries in Panama? Well, I take them to town and there's a battery recycling place by the airport in town and they'll take them. And then as far as I know, when they collect enough, they put them all on a big truck and then take them, I don't remember, the guy told me, but they take them to some huge battery recycling place because you get paid for it. Sort of like taking scrap metal to a place. They'll buy it, so they'll buy the dead batteries and then I guess take them apart and reuse the chemicals and whatever. All right, I'm gonna get out of here because I really just wanted to answer a quick question. Nothing is quite as exciting as a catastrophic lithium battery failure. I did at one point have some lithium, the lithium iron phosphates. So they're not the ones that explode and go crazy, but I did have a few melt and it was smoky and I was like, whoa, okay, that's it for those ones. But anyway, it wasn't that bad. It wasn't like anything was catching on fire or anything. And as soon as I noticed the smoke, I was like, ah, yank them out, disconnect everything. And I doused them with water, put them out and, you know. But yeah, the other lithium batteries, from what I understand, they have a problem. They like, it's like explosive fireballs and stuff. I suggest a Renegi battery monitor for your boat. It has shunt and shows actual state of charge usage. Thanks for all you do, I see. Well, I don't know, I feel like I have a pretty good idea of the battery level now. Now that I've run the boat basically from full to as low as I'd want it to be, I have a good idea of what the percentage actually means on my charge controller. Like when it gets down to 50%, when it says 50%, that's when I want to be done. I don't want to go below, it's what it's telling me is 50%. When are you getting chickens? I don't know, man. I have so much to do. The list of stuff I have to do is like, I can't even keep track of it. Okay, so I'm going to go start doing stuff. I'm going to get out of here. Everyone have an excellent day. And if I have another question, wait, why won't this work? Oh, if I have another question that comes up that a bunch of people want to know about, I'll probably just do it in another live like this, because then I can just tell everybody instead of typing it at one person. All right, catch you later guys.