 Check check we're on All right. Good afternoon members of the public staff Applicant fellow board members like to call to order the design review board for January 7th the city of Santa Rosa May have a roll call penny let the record reflect that all board members are present except for board members Zuko and vice chair Hedgeman Thank you Item number two. We've got two sets of minutes one from our joint session with the cultural heritage board and the other from our regular meeting thereafter Item 2.1. We'll take an item by item Anybody have any comments or changes for the draft minutes of the joint meeting between us and the cultural heritage board? Seeing none Let's move to item 2.2 a draft of the minutes for the regular meeting of January 17th Seeing no changes Minutes are good Item number three board business at this time. I'll read our Purpose as the design review board The review authorities shall consider the location design site plan configuration and the overall effect of the proposed project upon surrounding properties and the city in general Review shall be conducted by comparing the proposed project to the general plan any applicable specific plan applicable zoning code standards and requirements Consistency of the project within the city's design guidelines architectural criteria for special areas and other applicable city requirements That's the purview of this board and now item number four I would like to open up the meeting for public comment on items not agendized And I have one card mr. Dwayne do it Hello, my name is Dwayne do it. I'm from Roseland just across the freeway there I wanted to thank you for your efforts to try to be expediting affordable housing in the city of Santa Rosa and I cannot stay for this entire meeting because at five o'clock The zoning administrator is meeting on Lantana Place Homes Which is out on the furthest Southwest boundary of the city of Santa Rosa on Undisturbed land and it's going to be a three point seven nine acre parcel divided into forty eight lots Now why I'm going to be there is to find out how the process is working for these affordable homes to be expedited which is what it occurs to be about to happen so the thing that I want to see if possible if Once I learned from that meeting there when this comes forward this Current one. You'll be speaking about that in flats Perhaps it should be allowed to go to the zoning administrator and get its conditional use permit design review permit without having to go through a Big fan dango one of the things that holds up a lot of our affordable housing here in Santa Rosa and perhaps all of Sonoma County is having to go through all the different steps that are required Mr. Rick Derringer and his project over along the railroad tracks He still hasn't got it going after Years and years one of the things he says which may be incorrect But he at least says it to me and others is that it's the process that's held him up and all of these different approvals He needs so no matter what you talk about today I'm hoping that if you feel this project that comes before you later in the day And I'm not here possibly To at least take into account that maybe they should be allowed to do just like Lantana Place is doing Because it's even got more units than they do 48 units and it's on Undisturbed land whereas this one tonight's going on an old gas station site. I know I'm both personally from when I was young so I Will be back later. Hopefully before you're finished But if not at least you've heard that that what's good for the goose is good for the gander If Burbank housing gets to do some stuff let the other players on the game do those same kinds of things Thank you for your time Or I don't have any financial Ties in any way share perform with any of the projects that I speak about. Thank you Thank You Dwayne. I see another card here. I'm wondering if it's for Okay, excellent Much appreciated. Thanks Dwayne Any other members of the public looking to comment on an item that's not on the agenda Seeing none, I will close the public hearing Moving on to item number five statements of abstentions by more members Does anyone have an abstention from said items 6.1 the only item on our agenda? Seeing none, we will move on to our scheduled item Item 6.1 is a concept design review for Dutton Flats at 206 through 214 West 3rd file number dr 19-008 and I believe we'll have a brief staff presentation and a presentation from the applicant and then as a concept design review We'll keep it fairly casual and more of a conversation style as we move through the board and See what everybody's thoughts are on the project. So Andrew Great. Thank you, Chair Kinkaden. Good afternoon members of the design review board today's Dutton Flats multi-family development Is a 41 unit residential project approximately five stories tall It is a 100% affordable project located in the downtown station area specific plan boundary at the corner of West 3rd and Dutton Avenue The entitlements and review process The multi-family residential use as a permitted use in the neighborhood commercial zoning district Pursuant to the the resilient city measures which allow for a reduced reduced review authority This project does require a concept design review by the design review board following that it Will be able to submit an application for minor design review To be reviewed by the zoning administrator And then the applicant will also need to submit a density bonus application as well as a lot merger because the project does Consist of three lots that would need to be merged as part of the review process because it is Residential and it is affordable residential it would receive dexpondited planning review and then the the applicant Following the issues phase of planning review the applicant could request concurrent review For the building permit application that request would be made to the chief building official So land use again the general plan land use designation is retail business since retail and business services the land use and livability Policy e6 does allow for residential development in those Areas designated for retail and business services or office Uses as I mentioned it is in the neighborhood commercial zoning district Where multi-family is a permitted use? The maximum density Would be 30 units and with a density bonus an additional 11 units could be added to the project for a total of 41 units Which is what the applicant will be proposing So the project context we can see with the red star it's situated to the western edge of the downtown station area specific plan south of Santa Rosa Creek Which is of course has the Santa Rosa Creek Greenway and then to the south we have the Joe Rodata trail It is well-serviced by city of Santa Rosa transit as well as pedestrian infrastructure on all of the surrounding streets It is within a quarter mile of retail and business services At the intersection of Sebastopol and Dutton Avenue as well as generally along Sebastopol Avenue So within about three quarters half to three quarters of a mile of the smart rail train station and Then also three quarters of a mile from the downtown transit mall and then downtown area So it's in a very transit rich environment with great access to retail goods and services Schools as well as open space areas So I wanted to briefly review those development standards that would be part of the station area combining district Regulations, this is a boulevard street type designation That street tight is is applied to Dutton Avenue from college to Sebastopol and then on west third from and Wally Gardens to highway 101 the maximum building height allowed is one to four stories The ground floor uses must be activity generating or residential or a mix of both Front setbacks. There are no front setbacks Except that at least 60% of the buildings Along the street frontage on each block should be set back a minimum of 10 feet to provide for extra sidewalk with landscape Or public space As far as building entries, they should be facing the street frontage Residential entries should be visible at the ground floor level the ground floor ceiling height should be at least 12 feet floor to ceiling and No parking within 20 feet of the street frontage or the back of sidewalk So again, these are not stand these standards would be applied to this project and I think we'll see them reflected in the project So project summary, it's approximately one acre Proposing 41 dwelling units. We can see there. We have 11 one-bedroom 15 two-bedroom and 15 three-bedroom Dwelling units and also proposes 41 spaces which parking spaces which is the minimum number of parking spaces required Based upon the number of dwelling units So we did hold a neighborhood meeting last evening There was approximately 10 people in attendance at that meeting Generally supportive of the project two comments that especially stood out Related to traffic and congestion at the intersection of Avenue and 3rd Street Generally residents who lived in the neighborhood felt that that's a very dangerous intersection both because of the speed of vehicles In particular traveling up and down Dutton Avenue as well as just general congestion during Commuter periods of the day morning and evening and so while they realized that Perhaps the resolutions are not not specifically the responsibility of the applicant they did feel that a project at this site Working with the city should take advantage of the opportunity to examine solutions to Safety and to reduce congestion at that location and then second several of the participants Suggested that the project incorporate an outdoor play space for children So the applicant was at that meeting and will receive those comments as well So the project proposal we see here a rendering of the five-story project And I thought I'd go ahead and drop in some measurements for you At this stage so you can get a sense of those floor heights The applicant will go into detail in that later on in his presentation site plan there was show the The overall layout of the site the parking would comply in that it is is not within 20 feet of the street frontage it would be tucked away behind the building I think I should also point out the neighborhood Participants last evening did like the idea that the positioning of the building would help alleviate some of the noise from highway 12 Because it would buffer that so that they Overwhelmingly enjoyed the layout of the site Levels one and two that the applicant will review in greater detail as well and also three through five and Then various floor plans And then the elevation with the materials legend which was included in in late communication to you yesterday afternoon And then I also put these slides in so that we could go back to them on the on the larger screen if you wanted to do so And then of course staff is available for any questions that you might have Thank You Andrew appreciate it Any questions for staff? Eric injured Thank you for the presentation. Can you explain a little more about what deco streets going to look like in regards to sidewalk? parking overflow parking then for the apartment complex They would I Guess I don't get a So the coast street would be required to have public improvements I don't know if the street width would allow parking on both sides of the street We've not explored it or analyzed it at that detail And I was not part of the Pre-application Development Services meeting so I don't know if it was discussed in that meeting perhaps the applicant has some additional information So I guess at this point we could say that public improvements would be required I'm not sure if that if that would include on-street parking Okay, and then how many parking spaces are there for on the on the property? So the applicant is proposing 41 parking spaces, which is the minimum number of parking spaces required the downtown station area Parking ratio is one space per unit for affordable residential and also on third street. Is there any Parking on third street or is that no parking in front of the project. There's no parking on third street or on Avenue as you as you pass to co-street then There is on-street parking on third street Okay, so on east of deco street, correct? Has planning Commission met on the site plan on this yet? I'm sorry. What was your question? Commission? No planning Commission would not review this project because it's a permitted And so I think this is more a broad question for staff And it's not necessarily related to this project, but it is so I was the one who emailed staff about the elevations and Kind of some missing elements So I just have kind of a general question for staff So with the ordinance that was passed I guess last year, right? So certain projects because of where they're located or because of their inclusion of housing or you know the long list of things that were in the ordinance allow certain projects to essentially Skip preliminary and final design review if they would normally come to this board And we only see them as a concept element. So I I remember talking I think when that happened we kind of talked about well You know these are the elements that are typically required for conceptual design review and then obviously the preliminary design review list is much more extensive And so I guess for me. It's a little hard sometimes to weigh in on a project if I'm only looking at site plan existing and proposed elevations Site analysis map neighborhood context map vicinity map and a design concept narrative And so I just this is just a general question long term You know, are we going to start requiring a More robust elements from the regular preliminary design review list to make its way into these packages Yeah, we a staff are working on updating all of our application materials and Submittal requirements and that does include looking at the design review checklist particularly the concept design review and perhaps requiring a more substantial List of items to be included with the design review concept item. We have not completed that process yet Excellent just wanted to but I think what we've got, you know, the additional items I requested for this I think would are acceptable for today. So just thank you for reaching out to the applicant getting those items Sabra, I was curious about the type of retail that would be Approved for this location Because retail can be a magnet for more vehicles and I'm I think it's important to understand the use That is anticipated Sure, thank you. So when we looked at the additional site development standards for the neighborhood commercial zoning district The name retail is encouraged but not required. So we can't have a 100 percent residential project on this site the leasing and amenity spaces would be spaces solely for the use of the residents of the site so while they and and certainly the applicant will talk more about How those spaces are used? I know that a laundry service A fitness center and then a community meeting space so we evaluated the The amenity spaces from the perspective of could those be considered activity generating And staff has preliminarily determined that yes that those would meet The requirement that they be activity generating spaces although they would not be for commercial retail use So although the space is set aside for Retail it's not retail It's Amenities for the residents correct will the to your knowledge will the Exercise space or community meeting space be available to people who are not residents I Think that's a great question for the applicant operation only I'm not sure how they plan to handle that. Okay. Thank you It's Question about the Circulation and potential for because it's pretty hairy intersection. You said that That they're from the meeting last night. There was there could be discussion with the city and the applicant to look at options or things to do because it's not part of the it's not necessarily your responsibility to To undertake these but what would that look like potentially what could the city be doing? Well, I'm not certain the you know last evening. I think that People were very concerned about speed And they felt that the street design may be contributing to a bit more faster travel through that intersection Particularly at commuter times as people are rushing to get to work or get home from work So there may be some street designs That that could be implemented to Create a safer street pedestrian bulbs at bulb outs and things like that They will have to the project will be required to do at least a focused traffic study to determine what impacts or issues may even may occur as a result of The project and its parking and traffic associated with the project So I think that at that point in time then traffic would would become involved and look more closely at data that they're also collecting Okay, I also saw that In looking at the the street map also that there it's got the merge lane It's a it's a wide intersection and it's also Marked bike lane as well. And so it's integral West third is integral part of the bike Network and so and I know that there's 80 Spots for bikes in the in the project as well, which is great But that's gonna be so there's gonna be and there's families and kids and how the connections to the neighborhood I think we want to see Really how this project is gonna connect to neighborhood and then I'm interested in hearing hearing from this conversation that you guys have About circulation and traffic. So thanks Any other questions for staff and Presumably the applicant wants to make a presentation if you could use the microphone that'd be great. So the folks on Streaming video can hear you in regard to the the traffic issue when we had the pre Design meeting what pre whatever meeting that was pre development services meeting traffic was in attendance and and their Probably most robust comment was they would really like to see and which would be good for the project is Somehow configure a bus layover right in front of that area Which probably would also enhance traffic calming You know just because of It creates something so I that seemed to be the biggest issue and now Both Andrew and I and My other members of from Phoenix also heard, you know, the the neighbors Really enthusiastic. I mean it was probably the easiest neighborhood meeting I've ever been to We our newest staff remember Holly here We both told her in yesterday this morning that they usually don't go that well So she was like wow, that's really nice so But you know there it's it's obvious that Dutton feeding 12 is a traffic Generator and and so some things might have to be done. I I'm not quite sure You know, this is an urban Lot, you know, we're urban redevelopers. We love old gas station sites and that and that's what we look for and that are walkable and and and and our very Centric to the city and the community So in our mind, that's the environment that it is, you know, and and we have Projects throughout the United States that are very similar at slow. Hi, which we just finished in Denver is Right on a corner. That's no different than this and It works very well and the the I you know that project to is is all a hundred percent affordable and And I was a sharing with the neighbors last night that That project is in a very robust area of Denver. It's it's the very it's it's the millennial area It's brew pubs and all these things and and so we thought we were going to get a lot of service workers Well, we ended up getting a lot of seniors just because the rent structure and The availability to be able to walk and the bus being right there out the front door and the rents fitting with the You know, they're they're fixed income and and so what we thought was going to be a lot of Millennials Turns out to be a kind of a very quiet seniors building. So it's it's interesting But those are the things that you know when you're in an urban environment. These are the things that these that you're the that our tenancy our clients look for they're looking for Connectivity to the to the community. They're looking for the potential not to have a car They're going to use public transportation We did a study on My old partner back in Minneapolis We did a combined study of of our affordable projects and and and The parking ratio per unit was point eight two, you know, so a Lot of these tenants won't have cars and that's what it is, you know, and they are going to walk So crossing that street will be more important to them than driving across that street So so I guess those are the things that kind of bounced out at us last night and Andrew and I'll just first introduce myself. I got off going here I'm Lauren Briggeman Owner developer Phoenix development company in Minneapolis That's our name. We are actually We are our home base is now Santa Rosa My this is my wife Michelle. She's half owner of the company and our best new project manager Holly So we're all here to answer Phoenix for you that don't know is been around since 1997 we're urban redevelopers We have one foot in the market rate Development side of Multifamily housing and one foot in the affordable side and we do both and we do about 50 50 Annually and I know Scott's gonna first question to me is gonna be when Pullman's going in the ground We're on the one-yard line Banner bank came back with a few questions They're tweaking documents because the insurance is really complicated between the general contractor and ourselves and the reed and so We fully expect to see dirt moving here. I'm gonna say by the end of the month. So So that solves that one so like Dutton, you know the question came up last night. I thought it was a great question. Why did you pick this lot? way back when we first got Approved and first went to the neighborhood West End and To get Pullman approved the question came This is great. Love the housing. Could you do some affordable housing? Couldn't do it in that project because our partner is a real estate investment trust. They don't like land-use regulatory agreements and so that kind of stops that so We were looking for a property. Mr. Bobini's property was Shown to us and we leaped at it. We have a nonprofit partner in this project with us integrity housing That works with us on our affordable product projects Amazing outfit We can give you website information on them if you want to know obviously you can go to our website to see what we do But it'll be a it'll be a JV with Phoenix and integrity Both old companies not giant Nakiova developers were very Small quiet peaceful developers whatever that means. So that's how we got to this site We were looking in the neighborhood for a good affordable site we liked the urban quality of this site and We worked out the purchase and have moved forward the staffs have been amazing We've kind of pushed it around a lot and It has seen iterations and this is the one that we all felt most comfortable with It's going to have the 35% density bonus. We aren't Pushing the envelope beyond that just because we also feel comfortable with that amount of units on this particular parcel I'm sorry The project is a mix of I'm a lot of technology The project is a mix of one two and three bedroom units Mostly two and three bedroom units, it's The 30 of the 41 This will be a family project and I wouldn't be surprised if the one bedroom units end up with a lot of seniors just just because of Where our marketplaces right now and and the people that need this housing at this price point The units are there is three levels of affordability There's Units at 30% 50% and 60% of AMI so And I believe eight of the units are at 30% and I can't remember the breakdown between 50 and 60 It's probably pretty close split The rents You don't have that with you We forgot to bring it along, but the rents run from like you know a little over 500 a month up to Was there 1400 a month with a 1400 a month for a three bedroom unit, which is pretty amazing price The units as you could have Thanks, Andrew you can see the units are well designed They amenity wise Fit as any market rate unit they have balconies Large bathrooms good-sized kitchen eat-in kitchen, you know that the living kitchen areas really a great room concept So them and in the two and three bedroom units, there's a master suite with its own bath and a walk-in closet So these are really really well-appointed units lots of storage within them and That's always been important to us in in the product that we like to develop and And own and especially in the affordable side The the palette It's bright colors, which I think you've probably seen we like to do bright colors And it's it's a it's a mixed concept of I See they call it board form concrete veneer metal panel corrugated metal metal railings I think the the Just to give That Commercial look that y'all want for this area and I think is important considering the you know the Where it's situated on a on an important street. So all the amenity space is really has high ceilings and large storefront type glass and Which and the inch the actual entry vestibule is two stories. So it's it's going to be a nice product the amenity space which I heard you discussing earlier is for the community itself or for this rental community and We are going to have a Probably a Magnificent size laundry. We're going to have a very large workout room, you know fully equipped Just like they would see it it went to whatever Anytime fitness or something like that We've found that that's been pretty popular. It'll have a community room for the community. So they can use it for birthday parties and Internal community events. I'm not quite sure we usually kind of Wait to see how the neighborhood is And some of our properties the neighborhood likes to hold Every once in a while community meetings and use the space and we work with the neighborhoods on that we don't Go out and market it as a community meeting room because we we feel it's it's important For the the tenancy itself to be able to enjoy that space So it would be like if you went to a market rate product and you had there'll be a nice you know, they'll be kind of a Not a kitchen because we can't have kitchens But it would have a microwave and coffee maker and music and things like that. So if they had a get-together We are going to add And a discussion came out last night with the neighborhood and and it was really good discussion We are going to add we did this on a project. We have on the Greenway in Minneapolis. We created an indoor play area with an adjacent outdoor fenced play area because we will have children here and and you know thinking about Traffic and what's reasonably close to where these kids could play We did the same thing with with Greenway Heights and and there that in indoor outdoor play areas well utilized and it has reading nooks and things like that for the children to use after school and And and that's actually worked very well and in that particular project, which is 40 some units I can never remember 42, okay In that particular project there are a lot of children at three o'clock on a school day It's a very busy place, but that Play indoor and outdoor play areas are well utilized and it's a safe environment And and so we would bring that concept forward and chew up some of that leasing But I don't know why they call it leasing, but they chew up some of that amenity space there's also a Because of the configuration the building There's also amenity space on the second floor and we're I'm thinking Library study area or something that will also utilize or maybe we'll put something for older children Because they always seem to be the ones that get ignored So maybe we video games or something something we haven't thought it out, but we we do want area to people so they can use this building Not just as their home, but as a place that they can enjoy So after all that What do you shoot your questions? Thanks for the presentation Lauren. I appreciate it and great to hear that the Pullman lofts will be hunter construction soon That's fantastic and way to work through it. I appreciate it Why don't we start with kind of questions and general comments and then we'll go back through one last time after we hear public comment With just summary comments I would say that being that this is a concept review and not we're not going to see it again it's going to go to the zoning administrator for preliminary and final Be specific when we get back to things that you really want the zoning administrator to pay attention to in making His or her determination So we'll start with you Adam Great. Thanks I appreciate your presentation as well and it's good to hear about these other projects too about the kind of work that you're doing Yeah, this is it's a really interesting site with being right next to highway 12 there, you know kind of one of those boundaries in the city and then really also adjacent to a pretty vibrant neighborhood and so that one of the reasons why I was excited to hear about your How you could tie into the transportation network both of the the bus pull out there and Looking at traffic calming Just again looking at connections and pedestrian connections in particular Is that intersection there? You know if you look at West 3rd there you got that corner and then going all the way you have to go all the way down to Pearson to get Connection to the other side of the highway or away from the highway Looking at the the pedestrian aspects there again. That's not necessarily for you guys to look at but it does relate to the potential for families and I would want to echo the importance of of Bringing in some kind of of potential exterior space or You know some way of keeping the families and the kids someplace to get outdoors and to Use the site a little bit more is definitely it's definitely it's a lot for cars which is Perfectly great, and you guys have she warned a lot into this site. I really like the amenities you've got in the amenity spaces and I like the idea of Carving something out you like you said for older children and for a community space as well You're potentially bringing in a lot of people to an already busy sort of isolated Intersection there and so thinking about how Like I think that some of the things that you've got like that really connecting to this sidewalk connecting to the exterior of your building there So I think that kind of sums up my comments, but pretty excited for it. Thank you Thanks, Adam Sabra So I'm going to start with the really positive I like the bright green, okay, I think that We have a tendency toward oranges and okers and it was really a pleasure to see the kind of shocking lime, but it was positive rather than Weird and I know that you like bright colors. So I'm just commending you for this Because this is going to be primarily a family development development for families I Looked at where the sidewalks are where the parks are Where the groceries are with how well designed the intersections are and I'm aware that none of that is within your capacity but they become Barriers one particular barrier, of course is a safe transit across the railroad tracks to get into Railroad Square area There's no sidewalk There's no actual path And that's a problem So those are things that I hope the city has plans to work on and we'll put the money forward I'm Concerned about entrances and exits to the parking I can't tell really from the schematic in the plan whether People will be Entering and exiting on Dutton or they'll only be entering one way and exiting another There's only one entrance and exit. It's it's on decos Deco Street, I said that wrong there is it's it's a in-and-out Drive right on Deco. Oh, okay Okay, okay, that's fine. Yeah, my next big question then is What kind of signaling will happen at Deco to make certain people can leave? What kind of can you say that again signaling? So Yours you're asking if there'd be a signal on Deco and is there a signal. I know there won't be a stop Well, we'd have a stop coming out of our property. Yes, and I believe there's a stop sign on Deco and and Third yes, but I'm really thinking about the traffic on third Uh-huh It's too close to distance. Yeah. Yeah, right So will it be a right turn only? Yeah, I We were we chatted a little about that last night, you know There is now a right and a left turn off to co on to third but there's no traffic on to co right Yeah, well There actually is but well, I really think adding 41 cars to that little street is going to generate more traffic Yeah, and you're correct, right? So I That would be a city decision. I mean I Personally we wouldn't have a problem saying it's a right-hand turn, but you know, that's a city decision, right? another thing I concerned myself with is how safe the Crosswalk is I don't know the answer a Cross-dutton to get to groceries Well, it's a semaphore with with a you know a walk signal Maybe that could be enhanced. I don't know that's a very good question though And I looked at how close this is to the Roseland library Mm-hmm. I imagined that children and families would be walking to the library Yeah, they could and I confirmed that there's sidewalk of sorts all the way along Dutton to do that, but as You all look at this you have to look at how how the city could help Enhance the walkability in this area making it safe for seniors making it safe for children who are walking alone because right now there isn't a lot of pedestrian traffic and there will be and there will be you're right I Would think that there's a you know that one of the things that really interested us was that little shopping center across the street is very Vibrant and it has a lot of different things Which will be great for our tendency, so yes, yes, I looked at that too. Yeah, okay It's Michelle's favorite far place As far as the purpose I think this is Excellent to add 41 affordable units. I'm happy to hear that there is a Range between 30 and 60 percent. I think that's really important to have a variety of income levels I'm very happy to hear that you are going to find a creative solution for Dealing with the needs of the younger tenants and that's important because there are no nearby parks, right? So all of those things are positive. I think as you've outlined it the Structures will be appealing. I can't really critique the materials or the forms as Effectively as I'd like. I know we're not it finished. We're still at concept so my only Additional question would be I'm certain you have the roof solar ready, but are you intending to install solar? Really seriously looking at that And our engineers are working on that we just Not that far down the road, but we're very serious about doing solar. Okay. Excellent. Thank you Saber, thank you Eric I want to thank you for bringing this project forward. It's great to see affordable housing Available That lots been vacant for gosh as long as I can remember other than Christmas tree sales and So I'm excited to see this project come forward I'm very familiar with that area. I don't have as many safety's concerns I'm familiar with the traffic certainly the traffic on Dutton Avenue. There's it does back up You can't put any parking there at all third street It might my only concern with the project actually is overflow parking It really is parking in the impact that it has on the on the current residents in the surrounding area That's my only concern, but I did listen carefully in To what you said in regards to your experience with other projects that you have been involved with that a lot of the residents don't have the amount of cars that a Regular market rate complex may have there is plenty of thing of support Within walking distance you have the grocery store down on On Dutton you have restaurants you have coffee shops for a square You're close to both bus stops as well as the smart train stop Everything is an easy walking distance to to provide for the tenants So, you know if which you're estimating is accurate in regards to the amount of vehicles that the tenants would own and The services that are in the immediately easily walking area I'm okay Waving my concern about the parking and the overflow parking. So so I do appreciate that that input The area in regards to walkability actually is is much safer Than it appears the crosswalks are well well done My 27 years with the Santa Rosa police department We had very few accidents actually at that intersection Also as you cross over to the west side of Dutton and then walk southbound you have the bike path and That also has a crosswalk that is a very long lighted Timing wise crosswalk very safe over there in regards to pedestrian traffic. So I do share Saber's concern in regards to sidewalks to the east on 3rd Street, but that is a city issue. So And hopefully that will get developed further especially with some more projects that are coming in so again The only recommendation I would make and Is I would encourage you to one continue to explore solar whether it's rooftop or Carport style solar to provide Some convenience for the tenants, but I would re-examine maybe not having the fitness center in a collaborative effort with some of our Childcare daycare Providers that are Available for low-income and seeing maybe if we can get another Either after-school care or daycare Unit to share that with you And I want to provide the service for the for the tenants and their families because you're expecting a lot of a lot of families there It may be something that could be a win-win between the different services both the county and nonprofits and we have Well over a thousand nonprofits here in the in the in our Facinity that may be able to help provide that and make it a win-win I think that would get more use than the fitness center and I'm all about fitness and and stuff, but It may may provide that win-win And may alleviate some of the concern and may be able to alleviate that concern of where the kid's going to play You know if you're if you're looking at maybe You said you had one more space maybe for the older older children making that More of a playroom More geared towards teens and then again providing some daycare services And the only other recommendation I would make is or let me ask you in regards to the door That's at the corner of third and Dutton I would strongly encourage you to make some sort of Key fob entry Way of doing that. There's a lot of foot traffic All our entries are fobbed So right perfect. There'll be no public You'll have to be buzzed in and we'll have a sophisticated system for that. I think that's an excellent idea Right. Great. Those were my comments. I really didn't have Really any questions and again Uh, it's a concept design. So it's it's it is tough to look at those features and beyond my Skill set for that. So thank you Thanks, Eric, uh, Drew So I'm the lone architect today and I have a parcel of comments. So, uh, This is my area of expertise I guess Um, but I have a couple of questions first Is this modular Probably yes. Okay. I kind of was seeing that from the plans. That's why I thought I'd ask We're going through all those gyrations right now, but we're thinking it's modular. Awesome. Um, So this is kind of a question to staff is I was hearing some of the other comments particularly about to co-street And Andy you mentioned, uh, the boulevard designation of west third Um, I was digging through the design guidelines and I couldn't find anything But I remember reading something somewhere in one of the myriad of city documents about, um Center islands and things on boulevards with street tree plantings and things like that. Um, is that part of The eventual development of west third just as a clarification point Um Well, the the boulevard street designation that that I referred to today was in the downtown station area plan And and I think that um designation is particularly focused on The development Of this site along it. So I think likely we have a boulevard designation in the city street design And I would have to check that and see what yeah, that's fine. I just Um, you know, everybody was talking about well, this or that or whatever and turn left and if there was An island or a boulevard component that would eliminate that issue entirely But then that does take from You know the suicide land that's there currently and kind of all those other elements, but there's more of a generalized question um, so along Uh, sorry I wrote a lot of comments here um How uh, how wide are the sidewalks? It looks like maybe based on a 1.1 The sidewalk on west third is maybe 20 feet to the edge of the building and then on tutton It looks like it's maybe 15 ish feet That sounds about right. That's not all right. Okay, cool. Um I think that's important. Um Because if you look at the design guidelines specifically in the downtown station area plan There are four goals of the downtown station area plan lighting pedestrian protection trees Um And then I think there's street parking which obviously isn't going to work here Because there's no place to do that But it's uh under core area 2.2 And it's uh 2.25. I think 2.2.4 Which is a material thing But 2.2.5 Reinforced pedestrian activity six is protection from moving vehicles, which I think in this location is critical On you kind of sort of have it designed on the perspective with the street trees, but I think This particular location is screaming for planters or you know bollard style you know Planting elements to protect pedestrians particularly because of the volume of traffic and the speed And so that's something that I that I think the zoning administrator should be looking for I think that's a great idea great And it's in the design guidelines and then 2.2.7 is More about protecting the pedestrian Where the building meets the street it talks about overhead cover and stuff which you don't really have but I think that the architecture is kind of lending itself. There's some Kind of push and pull going on so and I think you're probably okay And then there's lighting So there's no lighting plan in our package But obviously that's a critical element for both the parking area in the back for security And also providing that pedestrian oriented environment as you turn that corner What type of street lighting is happening? Is it off the building? Is it you know, are the led poles? You know, that's the thing again 2.2.8 in the design guidelines there Then just to go into the set here so From a site plan standpoint I think your parking absolutely does not work and does not meet city design guidelines whatsoever There's no orchard street parking. There's no orchard parking. There's no covered parking. There's basically nothing It's just as you crammed as many spaces in here as you could Which I understand that but then it you kind of created four Zones of kind of nothingness In that process So they're the kind of the four corners as it turns and whatnot So those are begging I think to me for trees or a play structure or an outdoor Grill area or one of a myriad of different amenities that you potentially offer that your your tenants for You know relatively low cost But yeah, I mean there's Sipiti do da in terms of Orchard parking and the downtown station area specific specific point is very clear about Parking arrangements and how to protect parking, which I think you've done Because you've tucked it behind the building. It's 20 feet You know, you've kind of done all of those elements where the parking is not the show the architecture is the show Which is great, but then It you kind of fell flat with the actual design of the parking lot If that makes sense, uh, so yeah, no, I I hear you So I think you need something Whatever that is whether it's covered parking or I forgot to mention. They're also on the Third floor. There's an exterior balcony that you pick up You don't see it really easily, but There is an exterior balcony and yeah, right. Yeah, no, I you know from I was going to get to that one of my architecture comments Yeah, I'm just doing site plan right now. Um I I do like how your trash Enclosure is kind of tucked in and hidden that way you're not dealing with a separate structure which maximizes how you're utilizing that parking which I think works kind of on this urban infill And then from a site standpoint, you know kind of going back to the architecture I had some confusion about the way that the elevations were working On the east and uh South um and so the clarification here makes a lot of sense that you don't have kind of an la Open balcony situation going on. You actually haven't enclosed We haven't enclosed walkway. Yeah, so it's walkway whether it's conditioned or not Which does lend itself nicely to the actual composition of the view of the building from that side Which I think I appreciate a lot because you're just you're not given up on the architecture from the site standpoint from the parking lot which is really good because That's how your users are going to experience this building. You could have just said, oh, it's open It's open with railing, you know, whatever and a bunch of doors But you chose to enclose it which I think was really nice There is an error on a 1.1 regarding the parking Um, it's not a big deal, but uh, it says 17 two bedrooms instead of 15 not a big deal But uh, just it's math term Um As for architecture, uh, typically we don't comment on the kind of the interior design Uh, but I I will want to I do want to point this out because I think um It makes a lot of sense The walking closet on unit type 3 1 on the left hand side is absolutely massive And I think you need to go back to your architect and look at that Just gonna leave you with that Yeah, that is big Yeah, so I think you need to press them. I mean if you're going to build that square footage and give that much, uh Hey, maybe there's a extra bathroom or a powder room or something Well, probably can't do another bathroom because those are expensive But you know storage in these units are critical and we can figure out that closet's just I don't know. It's really big Okay, where the rest of my notes, sorry Okay, um Uh, okay, uh the balcony on the third floor while I really like it. Um, I think for 41 units it seems a little undersized Uh, but I I like the location. I like kind of the concept behind it what you're trying to do We're we're trying, you know, that's always the as as an owner operator. It's always the What what do you do and don't do and and what we don't want to do is turn it into a party deck, right? Yeah Where some people take a few chairs out and they Engage with the neighborhood. Uh, we're gonna have a lot of community space on the ground floor And and you're right about the and we need to develop The site plan better, you know and have more amenity space on the site plan We've had that discussion. So, um, but I I always get nervous about having a balcony. That's too big. We have one On our denver project. That's really large and and it's concerning. Yeah, sure um Yeah Can you talk a little bit more into the microphone more? Oh, I'm sorry. You can turn it towards yourself. There you go. Okay um, okay, um Thanks for the clarification on the materials. I think that it pretty much wrapped it up for me The only thing I'm really concerned about material wise Um is from a durability standpoint as you move towards the east side on the West third frontage, um, you Obviously as the amenity center ends you're moving towards units and yes towards those units You're moving towards stucco Right. Um, so I'm just I would be worried about the durability of that considering the robustness of the materials that you've used to turn the corner right you're using concrete and steel or marketed metal which Are incredibly durable for the pedestrian environment people smack smacking bikes into them, you know, whatever But as you turn that corner you switch to stucco down at the end and it doesn't look like there's any kind of protrusions or kind of other trim or foam Type foamed stucco trims, which I would be concerned about on that area, but again just that transition of material. I'm not sure I would just look at it If it makes sense it makes sense I don't have a problem with it like aesthetically. I'm just kind of giving you a comment durability wise I that's that's a very good comment just because you have to deal with the public there and yeah, you know We'll look at it and then I guess Is the only location where the Board form concrete appears other than The two frontages is on the south elevation on the backside kind of near the trash enclosure for the trash shoot like the trash shoot area Is that right? He wants it would be the south elevation. Yeah, it's the south elevation Yeah, over On the right or the side where you've got kind of a box that was going on So that's the only other location where that board form concrete showing up. Yeah, I wanted to clarify there's some grays and some other things on our printout and Wanted to make sure that's where that was happening um I like the change of color in the stucco um It's a but but the fact that you've introduced some other materials is nice Um, particularly again at that ground level beyond the only thing that I would say From a materiality standpoint is I was a little confused about the corner element It being you know, either like a metal a copper metal panel or something when I looked at the rendering as opposed to it being stucco And then having the material the material Um designations on the elevations cleared that up for me But it kind of almost made sense that that was kind of an iconic element in a way Oh the corner piece. Yeah, it is iconic. So Yeah, just kind of the color palette you have here. I mean, I was just when I looked at that I went oh that looks like copper panels and wouldn't that be really cool if it had a patina over time and it's an affordable housing project But that was the only thing that I hadn't a big question mark in my mind about um material wise and then Let me see I had one other thing. I think Let me look It doesn't look like I think that's everything again. Thanks for good drawings. Uh once we got them all It's really easy for me to Go after these things once I have Kind of all the parts and pieces if I don't have anything I kind of sit there and I scratch my head and I go, wouldn't it be cool if it was this and well I don't know if it's that I need to know what it is but thank you and And I'm I think this is the kind of project that screams for the accelerated process in many ways Because it's it's a well-designed project It's missing some pieces, but that's okay because I think we've kind of assembled a list for the zoning ministry to look at And you know to get you moving forward is I think what we want to do. So thank you the direction Thanks true and now it's my turn Overall very much appreciate the architecture. I think it's very well done Much like other designs we've seen from firms that you choose to work with so well done again The only comments I would have as it relates to architecture are the corner of Dutton and third I think it's a little bit quiet And I think it could be a little louder, you know, I don't know if it's adding some of the You know lime green to it which I like and I appreciate the bold colors, but just You know I'm not sure from the standpoint of if you're going to get away with the you know, Dutton flat sign as it currently is depicted on the screen based on Codes and such but I think that that Kind of here's where you're at. This is the project Take note type of thing could be done at the bottom floor on that structure that Represents the corner very well as it is but just liven it up a little bit I agree with drew that obviously there's plenty of opportunities in the back parking lot for Landscape areas and I hope you take full advantage of them And I know this concept didn't expect to see it all But I agree I had the same little circles of all the opportunity spots to Live in the place up back there and there's a lot of great oak trees already kind of on the other property behind you So just playing off of that would be great I'm not sure on the first floor outdoor areas on the West third side I don't know how much use those are going to get I I'm just wondering if you might Pop out those units a little bit further and face the actual avenue without having an outdoor area it it's Kind of odd because I think then you're going to end up with the on the first floor a balcony above. Yeah, there's it looks like there's three units that would have Access to west third out of their Oh On the ground floor And so oh there. Yeah based on how busy that street is Traffic wise. I'm just not sure that that's a good use of space and it might be able to provide a little more interior area for those Um tenants so just something to consider nothing that I'm hung up on and then On the board form concrete, uh, I caught the word veneer and I'm not familiar with what product It might be used there. I don't know if you've got is it I was a little surprised that here called veneer myself. I I think it's probably a formed wall Okay. Yeah, and I think I think he means that the that the board Would create that Right anyways if it ends up being a product that's applied like a hardy panel or something like that I'd just check on its durability for your own edification Right because it has me a little bit concerned I I've thought that it's formed concrete Fair enough And echoing other comments you've heard Today is that this is a great project and I hope it gets underway Lickety split and hopefully your lenders and partners to say let's just do it forget all the paperwork, right? We're focused on we're yeah, that doesn't happen, but we're focused on trying to go by the end of the year Great, right So those are my comments At this time we have a couple of public comment cards. Well, I sure can. Oh, yeah, I actually uh your comment on those couple of units I think you can keep the outside spaces But install something to buffer Yeah, whether that's a you know wood trellis element or something else and so you can maintain I think you're That component just talk to the architect and they'll figure it out. I'm very familiar with this firm. I've got Couple friends who work here, so okay I think I would just talk to them and say hey, we've got this ground for a level. We've got this issue What do you guys think and I think they'll come up with a really good solution for you Okay, and then in case they don't realize it point out that it is north facing also. Yeah Any event thank you for that drew We will move on to what wait one moment We'll uh, let's let me open it up for public comment Then we'll close out with the board finalize some comments to the applicant if if we might Um public comment the first card we received early on was uh on six point wasn't was from duane duit duane Hello, my name is duane duit. I'm from roseland. I appreciate the comments that have been made by the members of the board today I just want to emphasize that Unfortunately, santa rosa's had a slavish devotion to parking As long as I can remember living for the car always thinking about the car first and foremost And we need to put that behind This is going to be a development within walking distance to a train station With buses right there two separate lines So I'm looking at this and thinking hey, he fulfilled the requirements for parking minimal requirement If he was a for-profit developer He'd be going forward Non-profit guys they get held up a lot of times He I think is a private developer now So let him go forward And with that in mind the storage space For people as they age And they move into smaller units Having a larger closet is actually beneficial I know from personal experience That those larger closets are very helpful to people at different stages in their lives So I'm hoping You'll let this project go forward with this few adjustments to what they've already got going So they can get it on the ground as soon as possible I'm very familiar with that site used to bring my cars there when I was young and it was a standard station Been buying Christmas trees from mark lasini's tree lot This is going to be an improvement To what's there? So all the comments that everyone's made has been good I just look at he has to save money So let's let this gentleman go forward without having to spend any extra money on any adjustments to his plan Thank you for your time Can I uh scott I just I personally have to leave I have to go coach 14 year old boys in basketball My wife is going to step in for me. So she'll take the questions. Thank you all Thanks lauren and good luck with the 14 year olds Yeah, and good for you for coaching Yeah All right, uh a second public comment card from david harvests david Oh, sorry, I didn't write very clearly. My name is david harris and I live at 355 gemma circle I've been a resident of santa rosa for more than 30 years um, and uh I've never met the applicant, but I have talked to him on the phone I know that neighborhood although I live over on the east side because my daughter What took piano lessons? But close to that intersection and so for a couple of years I spent about 45 minutes In that neighborhood and uh, you know the joe redota trail hasn't been mentioned by name But you know there is there are Alternate ways to get around over there and if you go north up dotten you hit santa rosa creek and you've got a path there too And the bus line's been mentioned. I'm a little unclear as to whether the plan is to put You know what the the bus stop is there, but it is the Affordable housing project it's closest to the train station and um You know, I am a big advocate for alternate transportation and the comment was made early on here 41 parking places for 41 units is the current station area plan, but you know, that's Headed here for a review and I hope they're going to reduce that number So what perspective do you have to look forward because we do now have A car share operator in santa rosa. There's a zip car at the station there and there's a zip car on fifth street and You know The two big expenses are housing and transportation and the most expensive transportation is owning your own car And if you can unhook those parking places like they did you know years ago at the gaya building in berkeley And you want to rent this apartment with or without a parking place, uh, you know I'm sure there would be some amount of commerce that would go on here that somebody's got a parking place Or not using and you got three bedrooms but I would Hope you've got the perspective the possibility to allow the applicant to reduce from 41 Put that play area out there in some of those parking places Put some zip cars on there Because it's when people don't own a car You know when you own a car you what do you do with all the places that you don't need to go in a car You still go in a car So you want to reduce traffic in that intersection reduce the parking places, you know Designate some of those for visitors obviously, but I think there there could be some enhancement and some enhancement for the renters To not have to rent or have bundled to their unit a parking space To have car share available. So they have an alternative to owning a car and Really look at the fact that you do have alternatives. I think we should be talking about how many Bike parking spaces are there, right? I mean, you know as it is right now you look at that plan. Well, okay Where's there a downspot or something to lock your bike to we have not put that into the alternate alternatives that should be there Uh, we need I hope this is going to come out of the new revision of the stationary plan But this is an opportunity. I think this developer is creative enough to Deal with less parking there and use that space I mean, I would be an advocate also then For some gardening space and the roof garden would be Possibility there if you you know because if people could grow some of their own food up there But you know, I came to santa rosa more than 30 years ago And I realized that the only places that had view apartments were Bethlehem towers and silver crest And now finally we've got somebody who's going to do affordable housing in more than two or three stories And I'm I hope we see a much more five story and maybe a bit more in affordable housing soon and I don't know what potential there is to Allow Less parking and and more creative use of that parking for car share and other things and bicycles and for the play space, etc Um It would be much more aesthetic rather than have that bunch of parking places there in the middle to have Other amenities Thank you Thank you, mr. Harris. I appreciate your comments and uh, I think Based on the fact that this is affordable housing project It might be difficult to get some of those creative ways But you know the stacked parking based on the fact that the parking lots in the rear You know people aren't going to see the eyesore so Yeah, I'm not sure how cost effective stacked parking is but it's an interesting concept that I've seen in other urban areas So I think that this developer is attuned to looking at all sorts of options to increase the viability of the tenancy of the project so Well, so I want to notice and note that in the The project description it notes that there's Parking spots for 80 bicycles, which I think is sufficient 80 80. All right excellent Any other members of the public wishing to comment on item 6.1? Seeing none, I will close the public comment and bring it back to the board for Final comments and and or questions to either the applicant or staff adam Great, and thank you very much for all your information your efforts uh Yeah, just a final comment and definitely concerning the parking area in the back of house is to to really Flesh that out a little bit more and To see it as an amenity to to see it as an asset that It's an it's an it's a whole other set of rooms. It's a whole other something that can be used Granted there is the highway right there So it's you know pretty airy and loud, but There's no detail on actual vegetation planting Trees tree heights what types you're doing That's also, you know noise abatement, but then also shade You're gonna have kids out there too or grilling areas. I think eric's idea of swapping out the The the gym for daycare would be great especially with you know three bed lots of three bedroom Apartments and I've definitely family so you definitely have older people, but you will have families too So really seeing that center courtyard as kind of a courtyard that can be used to like break down those walls And then and then also to break down the walls to the neighborhood too That those connections we've been talking a lot about the front, but I'd appreciate a little more thought to the back and just you know, I know you guys have thought about it, but just more You know flesh to it so Yeah I know we we do have an architect a landscape architect that we have Pulled in a little late for you all. I'm sorry, but he is working on some of that too. So We're hoping to to to flesh that out and make it look nice Yeah, well, that's that's good. Definitely good to hear and and definitely yeah to look nice But then also to be useful really thinking of those uses too because you know This is going to use is a busy part of town and it's nice to be connected But then it's also nice to have it be You know a home for you know over 40 units. So Useful is great too. So Yeah, and then that's really great to hear that you brought in a landscape architect as a landscape architect Thank you, adam sabre one of the challenges for design review preliminary that when we never see the project again Is that We're not satisfied with the amount of information we have And yet we can't pinpoint a problem because we don't have enough information to Identify the problems So when you come back with your next project try if you can to develop it a little bit more for us But I would make a suggestion on the interior, which isn't any of our business You have the very large walk-in closet off a secondary bedroom I can't rearrange the spacing for you, but you might look at Changing the floor plan in such a way that you create an open den or open study area Using that space since we're talking about the closet being off a secondary bedroom having the family's Long-term storage in there does not seem fair But I have seen such open rooms Work really well, you know no door, you know intend to be a fourth bedroom You've certainly heard enough I suspect about The areas where there aren't there isn't enough information about the parking about the landscape We won't see this again because it goes to Review by the zoning administrator. So what we all want to hear is when you break ground Okay, great. Thank you. Thank you Saber Eric once again, thank you for the project and and bringing it forward and I Think that there were a lot of great suggestions here From my fellow board members and a lot to digest A lot for the zoning administrator to look at and work with you On the project. I think there's there's there's several good ideas Would like to see this get off, you know Get going as soon as possible and construction started You know, there's some again it sounds like Parking's a concern But again, I think It's one of those things that We just have to be willing to give up a little to to get the housing that we need so desperately in our city. So Again, thank you very much. I wish you the best of luck and I wish you I wish it to be as expeditious as possible and And I think Andrew there is getting cramps from all the suggestions that we can So I think there's a lot of good ideas here for you to work with and Make it a really wonderful project. It already is a good project. So yeah, thank you so much Thanks, Eric Drew I have two one comment one kind of general statement So there is in fact a board form concrete product. I googled it here. So please double check with your architect Okay Most of the photos on this website indicated as an interior product But you know just to be safe make sure that they're actually Creating a durable surface particularly because of its location And then a general comment. I think this is just more for the public and anybody watching If this was a market rate project the parking requirements would be incredibly different If i'm not mistaken one bedroom units have a One space requirement two bedroom units have like a 1.5, right and then three bedrooms have like a two There's a calculation in the zoning code about it. I just don't remember exactly it Maybe jessica can clarify I'd have to look up in the zoning code But I don't think that they actually are that more drastic because it is within the downtown stationary specific plan And that plan did reduce parking requirements for all multi-family not just a four affordable housing So I want to say it's maybe a half a space per unit more I could be wrong, but it is not what it is The same parking requirements for multi-family in other parts of the city And I think that was just kind of the point I was making because it's location It does already have kind of an overlay on top of it and then because it's an affordable project It has an additional overlay that further reduces the parking And so I just want to make I guess everyone aware that there are measures within the city you know the zoning Code right now to reduce parking for projects like these and I think they could probably even pursue it as a concession is that right and for an additionally in addition to the Density bonus right so That's just fyi Thank you drew and I'll echo other board members comments that Very well done, and I hope you get through the process quickly and break ground so you can deliver these units Did you have any questions for us based on what you've heard this evening? Uh, I don't uh, do you have any hubby? No, I don't even made it fairly straightforward Oh, no, maybe I'm not close enough No, I don't have any questions other than you know this parking issue. I mean are we Obviously no less than 41 Is that a possibility? I mean, I I don't know. I mean, how do we all look at that? To be able to make more space in the back To create play systems So yeah, that's something that the applicant can work with andrew on through the process great Andrew do you have any questions from what you've heard this evening? No, I don't we certainly appreciate the feedback and Look forward to the applicant incorporating feedback into the project and Submitting the application so that we can move this project forward through the review process Thank you for your time Yeah, super. All right. Well, we will oh yep. Go ahead. Yeah, absolutely. Now's the time Just one thing that I wanted to say that just popped into my head I know some people in the neighborhood that went to the meeting And they thought it was very well run and they really appreciated it. That's all. Yeah, so nice job That's great feedback Really well done. Thank you Okay, we will close out item 6.1 and we will move on to item number seven board member reports Any board members sitting here have any reports? Seeing none. How about department reports? Jessica? No department reports Okay, well, uh, I believe that takes us to item number nine adjournment and uh, we are Oh No action. Yeah, no action needed, but thank you for checking. All right, we are adjourned