 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go Mind pump, mind pump with your hosts Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer and Justin Andrews In this episode of Mind So for the first 45 minutes we do our introductory current events Conversation we start off by talking about the ineffectiveness of yelling. That's right. This is why I'm yelling We talk about my museum San Francisco Trimp. We talk about mind pumps Tampa trip We had a good time over there talking to a couple friends of ours Ben Pekolski being one of them Yeah, I mentioned green chef green chef delivers meals that you cook at home What a great way to excited about this sponsor, man Oh mostly organic food very high quality. We are sponsored by them I might even help you honey if you want to try them out What should you go to green chef dot us? forward slash mind pump and you're gonna get $50 off your first box Then we talk about reducing the risk of getting sick by using cold contrast new study came out showing 29% reduction in sick days We also mentioned the new sauna that we have here at mine pump headquarters from Sunlighten now we like it so much that we got a deal for you if you go to sunlight and calm and order yourself an infrared Sauna and you tell them you heard it through mine pump. You'll get free shipping that shipping can get expensive too with $500 a thousand bucks just give that sucker so you'll save all that wow. We also talk about the dangers of using vape Cigarettes might still be better for you than regular. Here's a danger. You're like an idiot We talk about paying college athletes should they be paid or should they still be paid under the table and then we mentioned Organifies gold drink. They are also one of our sponsors if you go to organifyshop.com enter the code mine pump You will get a discount Then we get to the questions the first question was this individual has Hashimoto's which is an autoimmune issue That attacks the thyroid What is our opinion on the autoimmune protocol diet or other diets for? Autoimmune issues now we did mention thrive market there because You can go to thrive market and actually pull down drop down menus and do something like paleo Which in this case may benefit them They are also one of our sponsors if you go to thrivemarket.com forward slash mine pump You'll get one month free $20 off your first three orders or orders of more of $49 or more excuse me and free shipping And then the next question we get into was what is the best maps program for fat loss or what is the best? Programming for fat loss in general we talk about our hip program It is the moat the probably the best calorie burning program we have yes However, it's not for everybody find out It's free if it's for you in this episode and finally the last question how important is the mind Muscle connection thinking about the muscles squeezing the muscle feeling the muscle Does it matter or should you just do the exercises? What do we know about this? Also, this month we did launch our new program maps hit we talk about it in this episode Go check it out at mine pump media comm. It is a hit program So your workouts are 15 to 25 minutes depending on your level of fitness You also talk about maps prime in this one. I do mention maps prime as well These programs and information on these programs can all be found at mine pump media comm T-shirt time and we had 40 reviews 40 for zero so we called for him last It's almost as old as Sal. Yes. Yeah So we're giving away 10 shirts that's a record right there is it I think so yeah Wow So starting with Sam Ho 216 JW 3571 Beth 5.0 Jimmer hammy pre-workout sock 69 Jacqueline Fitz at that 69 sluggermeister Rich EW 3 Lynn Marie church Yaz chronic all of you are winners Send the name I just read to iTunes at mine pump media comm send your shirt size your shipping address and we'll get that right out to you Those definitely sound like listeners Fire it up before you go go damn. I'm gonna leave Adam. They're going solo He can do it all by himself Justin One of the people in the world that would never write off is Adam so I feel like if he when his t-shirt time Yeah, I count on Can you not scream loud? Oh, yeah, I don't know if I can actually when you get in big fights with like Katrina Do you ever yell? No, I'm not a yell at all. In fact, that's like a that's a non negotiable for me I I have I have been in relationships. No joke We could I could have been dating a girl for nine months to a year and a half and if she like snaps on me like that or yells or screams or Raises a hand or does anything like that like literally go kick rocks No, like packing your bag for you setting it out on the my front. I've done this like you're gone Like that's it like that's in that the fact that you would ever let it escalate to a point like that with me Right just doesn't emotionally unstable and I know that I'm probably a little more extreme with that because of what I how I grew up So I I'm very very Yeah, I can't I can't stand it either. I feel like it's a very Primitive You know, just non-intelligent way of communicating like it's awful scream. It's like an ethanderal dude I just feel like it's you you know anybody who understands anything about Communication knows that when two people are angry and yelling at each other No matter what you say nothing is effectively communicated or received by the other person So what the fuck is the point? Yeah? Yeah, like if I was resolved if I and I'm not immune to getting that angry, right? I'm not immune to getting so angry that I want the normal thing right So if I ever feel myself get that angry, I just leave I just leave the situation later Yeah, wait till later till I can calm down a lot of times that makes people more like pissed off You know because they want to like yeah, they want to engage But I'll even say that was like like you obviously want to engage in a fight where I'm just not gonna do that with you So we can talk later when we're both ready to communicate this and I'll just walk away. That's a tough one Yeah, that's a tough one. Yeah, I mean hitting is fine, but yelling I wouldn't You know what I think own breaking stuff. I have a theory. I think and now may be wrong, but here's my theory. I wonder if if women are more likely to yell in arguments the men are because they because of the Like you ever seen women at bars will get in a guy's face because they know socially the guys Yeah, like very rarely do you see men do that to each other because there's always that threat of violence, right? Like if you get in a guy's face in a bar and you're a man You're doing so knowing that this could very well turn out into a physical fight and I'm kind of asking for it Whereas, you know the society speaking women know like oh this guy is not gonna do anything because we're in public and if he does Everyone's gonna destroy him. This is where like I love Bill Burr because like he covers a lot of this and his Stand-up, you know, and it's just like that that whole thing like you know What a punch in the face feels like, you know Some sometimes, you know that like you said the they keep antagonizing the fight where it's like no Don't you know, but they don't have the consequence the same consequence that's staring right back so my my I have a friend a friend who female and She I was talking to her one day and she's like man. She's like most terrifying thing happened to me yesterday And I'm like well what happened. She's like well This guy cut me off in his car So I pulled up next to him and I flipped him off and we started yelling at each other back and forth and so I didn't let him merge and he almost I almost ran him off the freeway because he pissed me off and then he followed me and then I got into traffic and He opened the door and tried to get out of his car and I was freaking out and I wanted to tell her like Not that you deserve like any kind of like physical whatever, but I told her like what the fuck did you like why'd you provoke? Stop like don't engage in that shit. You know, I mean, what do you think people are gonna be like super cool with you? You know, I mean, oh man, you got me. Yeah, you're smaller than me. I'm not gonna freak you I mean, they might get a grip. Well, there's definitely I definitely think there's there's women that understand that and that Use that to their their advantage. I mean I grew up in a home That was much like that my you know, I grew those that know I grew up in an abusive home and not so much Abusive to me but abusive to each other as far as my my mom and my stepdad And I was the oldest so When I got older, you know, when we're young you you kind of you kind of gravitate towards your mom And you whatever mom says if mom says that he's an asshole. He's a bad guy And so you want to blame him but as I got older I started to I was in the middle of a lot of the fights I was the one separating them or talking to the cops when they show up to the house and Much of the fights that I saw that my parents had that went physical was my mom Antagonizing my stepfather. I mean I've seen her I've literally seen her chase him around the house with a frying pan or a knife and you know He run into a bathroom and lock himself in the bathroom from her and then trying to yell at her with the door Cracked open her punching him through the door like so I've seen my mom do some shit that it's like fuck I mean not he has no right to touch you or put hands on you But at the same time to like nor do you you know I'm saying like a word it We're where do you draw the line for her and you know, she got to a point where once they had a record? This was really dirty right Once that once the cops have been called out a few times on domestic violence like that You know, he gets his strikes and so once my stepdad had two strikes You know one more strike on domestic violence at that he'll go locked up for a long time So my mom knew that and so she would antagonize that all the time She would fuck with it. She would fuck with him and then when the fight would get really crazy and escalated She grabbed the phone and she'd look at him like take a step further mother fucker And I'll call right now and you're gonna go in jail for two years plus, you know So she used to do that so she could totally fuck with him all she wanted and once he had once he had that I saw one time I'll never forget this fight where My mom had bruises all up and down her forearms And she had bruises because she was swinging at my stepdad And he was he had his arms up over his head covering his head the whole time and her forearms are colliding with with his And so she had all these bruises when the cop showed up to the house that you know He's she had blamed all the bruises on him for hitting her and so, you know, one of his strikes came that way Yeah, right. So, you know and that's not to say that all women do that at all Oh, no, no, no, no, I would never know never never say that but I think I don't think it's ever okay to Here's the thing too. I don't just extend this to women. I don't think it's okay to physically assault anybody that you know You can physically dominate Unless you're defending yourself when you defend yourself everybody has a right to defend themselves So, you know a 12 year old kid with a knife, you know comes at me, you know They could they could hurt me with a knife even though they're 12 year old kid, right? So I have every right to lay them out So so so that of course always but I also think there's that you know You have to be So you have to be able to judge like okay, like I know this person's yelling at me, but they're way smaller I'm way bigger and as annoying as it is I'm not gonna physically assault this individual unless I have to defend myself and even then I would use Force that is I guess justifiable like if I need to block like if a little kid's gonna hit me I'm gonna I don't defend myself with full force, right? I might block on my hands or something like that. So but that's up to the individual so I get all that but yeah Man, no yelling and yelling and just yelling in general I know that it exists for a reason and it's effective in some cases But when you're arguing with another adult or talking about things, I don't see how yelling Helps for the most part. I feel like it only escalates it and turns it into something where there's no more communication You know, I mean right now It's just who's louder and it usually I mean from my experience as people that they can't they can't like Articulate what they want to say and so that's like the net well they get frustrated because it's like well They're not receiving what I want them to receive. So I'm just gonna overpower them by raising my voice dude I grew up in a I mean there was no abuse in my in my household At least I don't know if it's you can be classified as abuse because it was verbal abuse, but dude, I mean in my Parents culture it is yelling is like that's a part of the culture like everybody else Oh, yeah, I've been that you've ever been at like your friend's house and like their parents get into it Oh, man, so awkward that those were my parents. Yeah, that was your house been like Shit so embarrassing dude I mean that was one of the hardest things about having friends growing up was like it was my parents fought so much that it Was inevitable that if I had a best friend over which is also why those that have been with me since like early years Are like family to me because I spent a lot of times over there like my if all said my parents were acting crazy It was like oh pack my bags. I'm gonna go spend the night at my best friend's house for two or three nights Mm-hmm that became a very normal thing, but many many nights And days where I had friends over and we're playing video games and all said frying pans and fucking picture frames They're getting thrown across the house and shit when I'm like you talk about so embarrassing and like a Kid in junior high or high school like trying to explain that you know to so you now you have extremely Tolerance for yelling. Oh extremely Yeah, I like that, you know, and I'm probably I probably I'm sure I probably launched a couple girls pretty early without Yeah prematurely You raise your voice All the all the worth it because I probably would have never made my way to meeting someone like Katrina who is just On another level when it comes to communication. I mean I think that You know, we are the same person when it comes to like our beliefs with with that and neither one of us We could be very and we've been mad at each other hundred percent like that's we're seven years deep Of course, we've had our disagreements, but we'll just it'll be more of a Intellectual battle back and forth, you know, so it won't it won't turn into screaming and yelling Anyway, so what'd you guys do after we got because we traveled like crazy two weeks in a row, right? Went to LA. So I did Tampa were you guys exhausted? I was exhausted. Yeah, man. I was exhausted I that night we got home. So we rolled in how was it like 11 o'clock at night when we got home Yeah, finally, but well actually actually waited for my wife to get off work. So that way and then she did of I did Getting off there like 11 30. I think we finally left. So yeah, it was a long night. It was a real long night And then that next morning I Got up had breakfast with Katrina had a few hours to kind of hang out with her and then I was off to Dublin to hop in a limo and head over to Oakland Where for the game or whatever your buddy? Yeah, my buddy took 20 dudes To the okc and the warrior game And we he rented a suite and did it all up. Nice. Yeah, that was quite the experience throwing it down Yeah, he yeah, I guess he just he won a big settlement He had he got injured at work and literally lost half of his foot This has been going on for like four years and forever He's been telling us like I'm gonna get this big lawsuit. I'm gonna get this big lawsuit And obviously it hit yeah because he rolled up with this, you know stretched hummer and this sounds like office space Remember the jump to conclusion I Just keep selling everybody on the idea that he wins the settlement I just keep thinking of the worst dad joke of all time like he can go up to a girl and be like, hey I got half a foot. Oh my god That's fucked up we were that we did we spent two days in the in the city went up San Francisco I saw I hate Ashbury and we went to him. Yeah, first one to the DM time Oh, dude, you know how happy I am that I have a girlfriend that likes doing The same shit that I like doing because I love makes it easier. I love going to museums. I love staring at art I love Just sitting and imagining the time period it was made and in examining You know what it took to make it and I could spend I could spend no problem eight hours easily in a museum and When I first met Jessica, she's like, I don't know if I like museums or whatever We went to one once and she's loved it. So it was her suggestion. So we went over there and spent all day in the D young museum, which is like art and then they had African art and You know Pacific art and it's really cool looking at some of these things to see the Because you can see how different the culture was and their belief systems that created some of this stuff It was really fascinating really really fascinating stuff So we did that and then the next day we went up to the hate and just hung out there and went inside the shops And had some stuff. So we had a good time, man Oh, I forgot to tell you guys on the plane well on the play all the way back. Did you guys I felt so bad for her There was this woman sitting in front of me heavy set one really big Yeah, yeah, like she was a really big woman and she was in the aisle seat. Uh-huh and Everybody bumper every time well. She was so big that you know half her body was in the aisle basically or at least a quarter of Her body was young too. She was a really young girl. She's probably a teenager Oh, no, I thought 20 maybe 20. Yeah. Yeah, she's in her 20s But you know the armrest that goes down She had it up because she couldn't sit in her chair if the armrest was down and the stewardess comes by is like ma'am You're gonna have to put that armrest down because I guess that's FAA, you know regulations or whatever So she had to stand up out of her chair push the armrest down and then squeeze in squeeze I did not see that no way squeeze in so that it was like cutting into her her fat Yeah, so that like you could see like her body fat was pouring over it. Yeah, because she was sitting in there and You know, I felt terrible And a lot of people listening like well, it's her fault because her whatever. Yeah, I get that look I tell you what 99% of the shit that happens to you in your life is because of stupid decisions you made too You know I'm saying show hers is just obvious It's visible. Yeah, but most the pain that we feel when something bad happens is our own fault, too So I don't you know, I'm not angry or whatever and I'm not like what you know bottom line is different But I felt really bad. I was watching her. It was a long flight, too. You know bottom line is many many people most people are Self-sabotage in one way or another and you know when you see somebody like that I just see that the way that she's done that is through food You know like so that is whatever pain or whatever whatever she is is covering up it You know, she's done it through food and I wish I was really I wanted to sit next to her because I feel like if I sat next to her I Could somehow Open up a conversation where it could lead to what I do for a living Which then could maybe have her ask me some questions and I could Help her a little bit or show her some compassion some empathy But you I mean I can't just walk up to somebody right like how would you excuse me? Yeah, you know I know that you're really fat. Yeah, we were wondering if I can help you out. I'm a trainer But I was sitting behind her and she had a carry-on bag or whatever and she pulls her backpack from under the seat You know in front of her and I could tell she was stressed out because she had to put the armrest down And so people were kind of like watching whatever so she reaches down pulls out the backpack opens it up And I can see the cracks to crack in the chairs She had in there a full a full thing of Oreos She had a bag of Cheetos and it was just it was a backpack of snacks And she just started eating them because obviously she's embarrassed and stressed and all that If I could only have talked to her wow, I didn't even catch that dude I didn't even know I mean I saw the girl, but I didn't even see all that happen. That's fucking crazy Man just the empathy, you know, but the same time. Yeah, so you want them to To just like buy into it's a drug another way to yeah another way to approach You know stress and things that are happening in their life And so it's really about the psychology which we always we always try to bring up. She's an addict The drug addict. It's just with food, you know, but the complexity of the issue. We we totally We don't appreciate or most people don't appreciate how complex the issue is it's no different than you seeing a homeless person Who's tons of alcohol and you think oh, I could totally help fix that person with a couple things not really It's a very complex situation. Oh, yeah, when you're that big it's very complex It's not as easy as they've already spiraled to that point, right? So how do you it takes a lot of work a lot of time to unwind from that? Oh, you don't put that on even in one year, dude You know that it that's years a lot of work years in that direction. She's so young You know what I wanted to ask you Sal I saw when I walked into work today on the our sponsorship board that we have green chef coming up, dude And I know you night. Did you try some Justin or just you Sal? I haven't tried it yet, but I'm really excited to do it based off of like what how they Organize why I make it so so I know Taylor has been working on this sponsorship for some time now and I've been really excited so we've been approached by I Can I think if I'm counting right like three or four meal prep type companies? Okay, and I I Hate meal prep companies because here's why I get the convenience. I understand that it's convenient You get food delivered your door. Many of them are already made so you just got to warm them up But I don't the quality is always terrible Every single one I've ever tried I eat it and I look at the ingredients I'm like this is terrible terribly sourced chicken or fish the food is not organic It's if I if there's usually just bodybuilder driven. It's just it's just not it doesn't taste good They're all designed to fit your macros and be convenient. Yeah, it's just not good quality And so I don't want to talk about it. Well green chef so Taylor had them send us some samples and I took some home So a couple things first and foremost they are mostly organic 90% organic Yeah, so their goal is to be 100% organic They have paleo options. They have vegan options. They have keto options. They have carnivore options I mean basically whatever diet that you can think of they have options where you can pull from Which I think is great because I'm difficult now the difference the big difference too is that I mean all those other food companies It's frozen food now this food fresh It's fresh and you have you cook it yourself. So here's what I did So I took the samples and I went home and I expected because it came in a box, right? I expected it to be like prepared food already But I open it up and that's not what it is What what they've done is they've taken meals and they've given you all the measured amounts of the ingredients and very simple Instructions to cook the food yourself. So you're looking at spending it took us about 15 to 30 minutes So I had so Jessica comes home. We open up the box and we're like, oh shit Let's let's go ahead and give this a shot and cook it together best date ever like Cooking with first of all cooking with your partner is one of the one of the best ways to connect and it's such a It's a very sexy date when you're cooking together getting your hands dirty You're making something together. You're tasting things you're feeding food to each other pinching each other Then you get to you know feed each other out We were playing music. We were having a glass of wine where we're doing it So it's not so prepared that you just warm it up in the microwave, but it's also not like here's a mint Here's a here's your recipe list. You got to go to the store get all the ingredients It's all in there for you. You just prep it right because I kind of kills the mood I could totally see this because somebody that's like horrible, right at cooking like myself I usually just hang out in the kitchen to talk, you know the moral support This will actually help me to interact a little bit more with with my wife will be pretty well Then the food was really fucking good. It was like legit Amazing food so well, you know what you're you're paying for because obviously they're they're priced a little bit higher than totally worth it your average You know Pre-prepared meals that you would order like this, but I mean you're not gonna get it fresh You're not gonna get it organic like this. I mean you're not gonna get it all delivered to your door Yeah, no, it's it's awesome. I was excited I remember I remember when he first showed me the company and I know we've been talking to him for a while And I walked in I saw on the board that you know, it's official now that we're doing green chef I was pretty excited and I knew I haven't had a chance to eat it yet So I'm excited to get some so the way I wouldn't the way I want to use it is When when we want to eat out or travel dude or travel But let's start having them send it send it ahead of time to our houses That's 100% 100% would be a great idea, but I like this one It's like, you know, we want to eat out, but there's not too many restaurants that you know We really like that good quality food or it's super expensive Like what a great option like Friday nights or Saturday nights or you know two nights a week Whatever we get green chef and we prepare these meals together and then we feed the family. So Really really really impressed with them. So I'm glad we're working with them You know what else I want to bring up. I thought this was hilarious was Like When we're on the plane Adam and you and I think we're sitting the same row and it was super packed So it's like a busy-ass flight everybody's tired of ever and there was that dude that kept asking people if he could trade with them So we could sit This is where Justin and I are a lot of like dude Justin no hesitation. No No, bro, like I okay, so let me But you know what to be honest like I smelled like entitlement all over the sky and Like you smell entitlement literally their only objective with that is to sit next to each other You know how many flights like I've done with my wife We're like we didn't get it organized, but we sat in fucking middle seats and toughed it out You know what I mean? Like that's your only excuse is like you want to sit next to your wife, you know, like, you know Tough it out. Anyway, so I I flew to Tampa in middle seat already, dude And so I'm like I give him the benefit of I'm like, do you have do you have a window seat or do you have an aisle seat? He's like he's like, oh, no So you're saying like I need to now move from my seat to your middle seat So that way you can sit next like no, yeah, sorry, you know move on Justin's all no I already sat in the middle seat on the way over there fuck dude You guys remember I mean I remember we talked to this was years ago Maybe I'm not that nice anymore Well, remember when I because you said that and then Adam me and Adam look at each other and Adam's like he's all smiling because it makes him happy That's my boy, you know, and I'm thinking in my head like maybe she has anxiety needs to sit next to her husband I don't know, you know, maybe there's being asked also. No, I don't I'm but then but then of course Yeah, somebody somebody shined in that moment But at the same time here here's the other like double-edged sword to that move Doug I had to sit next to them the whole rest of the flight After doing that. So that was a little bit awkward. Oh actually told him. No. Yes. Oh, that's so I'll see they fucking sit right next to me that all the time bro. That was like they wouldn't make eye contact with me You know, I hear a little beer, you know little fucking like whatever Ducks a guy if we're all if we're all like it's like the the end of times and there's like scarcity of food and stuff like that Like Doug's a guy who I would like try and angle on to get the kids food, you know Yeah, I would I'd be like Doug. I haven't eaten. I'm glad you warned me We all know I would guilt him into giving me some more food I've seen out in the universe like so he ends up sitting next to some some lady that you know They had a little flirty thing all the way back. Oh, yeah, Doug. That worked out Is that all about a Southwest connection, huh? You were talking forever to that lady Well, she was very interested in what I was doing So I was editing a show and she was very curious what I was up to So I told her all about it and then I went deep into what mine pump was all about and I think she's very interested in the show Both I think it was the Doug effect or Dougie fresh How about when we got to when we were at Tampa and we were sitting down at that restaurant and the the two moms The the nurses so that the or they weren't medical insurance God we get there and there's they were waiting in this little You know lobby to go eat, right? We're sitting at a restaurant We're waiting to be seated and there's this little lobby area or whatever waiting area before you go to get seated And we sit down in this little area and there's only a couple chairs and these two ladies and this young young kid young kids probably 18 to 20 years old sit down and They these two girls obviously are attracted to Justin You can just tell by the way they're communicating back and forth and they're all into talking to us and You know this the boy gets up and kind of like walks away and it didn't make sense to me I actually thought that he was they were closer in age because I they struck me as only like in their 30s or so And I thought he was 20 so I thought maybe their friends But it was the son and you could tell he was irritated with his mom who was obviously she was trying to get She was she was trying she was they were first of all they were smashed. Yeah, they were really really drunk Oh, yeah, and she's yeah So what do you guys you're fit? And I'm like whoa lady. Yeah calm down Calm down. Why don't you guys sit with us and all of us collectively ignored that? She said that we're like Yeah, we'd rather not sit with you. Dude. Did you so check out check this out study just came out How would you like to? Reduce the amount of days you get sick throughout the year by over fifty four percent That's a big deal. Yeah, big deal, right? Yeah So one of the one of the factors is regular exercise which everybody does if you listen to mine pump or you're on the show Right, you're one of the hosts, but here's the other one the other factor accounts for 29% of that That's taking cold showers. Ah They found that really I did dude. What did I tell you guys? The biggest one of the biggest for a while nice dude I used to do you remember the first year when we were together the very first year I was sick on a just I've always been sick and I've always just attributed that to Being in the fitness industry Sweaty people hot boxes touching weights being around a lot of people. It's just like bacteria right It's inevitable. I'm gonna get sick when we got in to do in the hot cold dips It was a fucking game changer for me. It's one of those things man. Ah, see it Listen, it's one of those things when you see something that exists cross-culturally and it's been around for thousands of years It's for a reason. There's something there. It's okay. It's no different than You know humans, you know having a feature on their body that they evolved to have the reason why we evolved to have particular Features isn't because we mutated and created these new features It's because those features were left over and they evolved they lasted because they were valuable, right? Cultures have practices that last thousands of years and don't go away because they're valuable Doing cold shower cold dip cold Contrast has been around for a long time in Eastern European European nations. It's still a major part of the culture I I could pull up videos right now showing school children Running out well They'll do it as part of their daily practice when it's snowing outside the kids will pull bathing suits on They'll let them they'll have them run around the snow play with snow and dump cold water on the cells Children they do they do this with babies. It sounds like torture, but yeah, no the kids are having fun and I know it's crazy Nobody's forcing you can pull them up on YouTube and I've been doing it now for a while and I get a legit But now we have a study to show that the cold by itself in this particular study 29% reduction in sick days. That's a big fuck. There's no medication that will do that Well, just these environmental changes and your ability to react to them Appropriately is something you have to keep training right so just makes perfect sense that if you're like getting exposed to a little more extreme hot A little more extreme cold that your body is going to be more resilient Obviously when we talk about cardiovascular system the central nervous system We talk about all these other systems of our body that are it's so important to train them Why would it not be this way? Yeah? It's so logical it is so logical and and if there's ever a system that we neglect the most this our temperature I mean when in history did you ever see this ability to in your house keeping it 72 degrees by time you get in your car? I mean I have the push start now, you know, I push start my car before I even get into it You know so it's it's so it's warmed up to just the temperature I like because I only want to be cold for the 30 seconds of walking from my door to the I mean that's where and then we get to our studio where it's climate controlled again It's like fuck we don't ever deal with that anymore. No, especially somewhere here in California No, you you there's there's something to be said about strengthening your body and making it more resilient through If your body becomes more resilient, it becomes generally more resilient So and you'll notice this when I when I do cold showers or when I do, you know sauna or contrast If I haven't done it for a while, I notice that I'm less resilient to it You know I'm saying like like it's harder for me to to handle it But if I do it consistently, it's like I'm strengthening my ability to handle the changing temperatures Well, that's making my body more resilient no different than when you work out in the gym and you just get started You have a low tolerance for intensity a low tolerance for You know duration of workout or speed or whatever But as your body adapts It becomes stronger and more resilient and that resilience that you build from working out Makes your body more resilient to withstanding, you know illness So it only makes perfect sense. So we just need The cold portion. We've got the sunlight and sauna, which you got to use right adam Yeah, yeah, no, that's and which that's the infrared sauna is a trip. Have you guys haven't had a chance to use it? Yeah, I can't wait. So it's really you're really different, right? It's not like a normal sauna at all And it's infrared heat. Yeah, which is totally different than what I expected. It's not what I anticipated at all and what I find fascinating is You could totally have your phone in there. You can have anything in there. It's not going to get all You don't get this like moisture build up it the way the waves work And it doesn't it doesn't heat the the room as much as it heats your body up the temperature Yeah, yeah, so that's the the the wavelengths and there's there's far and and near infrared waves in All those heaters inside there or lights inside the sauna and each of them Project off a different either near or far infrared And it like heats up your core temperature. So you'll be sitting there Inside the sauna and it doesn't really feel too hot. It never gets so hot where it gets unbearable Like so, you know some steam rooms or saunas if you've been in there for a while, you're like You can't breathe it's unbearable after like it's unbearable You can't breathe anymore you want to get out because the air is so hot The air doesn't get all hot inside of this thing But you're but I mean I'll after about a half hour. I was like dripping and sweat So it's pretty pretty fascinating that we just got to get what we don't have in ours yet And we have it it just if we haven't I haven't figured out how to hook it up yet Is we you know, we have the tv the dvd player the You know, I can hook to pandora spotify up to it. There's a fucking tv in there. Hey, that's awesome. You know, I'm saying Oh, so rad. We got the cat. Did you do it with uh, you want you and Katrina both used it Yeah, we used it So the plan was for her and I to come here on saturday morning. We guys naked. I know we didn't do it Yeah, not the first time We got in there to I wanted to go in and read a book and and Sit in there with her. So or I'll listen to a book. So it has audible on it So our audible count all you do is put your username in it So we're at our audible count on there and then but for some reason the speakers aren't working So I don't know if when the guys set it up. They didn't connect the speakers. I gotta Do a little bit of homework. I put you're supposed to be able to right you're supposed to be able to listen to music Oh, yeah, no, I mean we have a stereo. It's a super quality one the one they sent us Oh, no, I think we I think yeah, I think we have the cat a lack of of all of them Like it's the one of the most roomy ones. You could fit three people in there probably comfortably Uh, it's really nice for two guys. Yeah, let's do a podcast out of there We totally could actually So that's why I'm back to like how it doesn't really heat up in there You could put gear in there. It'd be fine. My phone my phone doesn't overheat or anything in there Oh, that's rad. Yeah, we could totally podcast that's super rad. It would be kind of funny to do that So I got some more news for you So, uh, they just did scientists at john hopkins University have found that there's lead arsenic chromium manganese and nickel In the vapor of vaping of e cigarettes Heavy metals in there and we know that those That persistent inhalation of those have been linked to All kinds of cancers and long liver immune cardiovascular damage brain damage And even cancer and here's the crazy part. You know what else does all those things? cigarettes, yeah, so basically It's funny because I read these articles And damn it and you know the tobacco industries like they're the ones that love promoting this shit. I like, uh Vape cigarettes are bad for you. Yeah, you know what else is bad You're selling cancer sticks, of course, but yeah, that's crazy But it's not it's not, um The vapor from these things apparently that they're testing isn't Soup that much better for you. I don't know. I don't know if they're comparing them head to head You know what I mean? I mean, what do you guys think of that because I see a lot of kids now with these Oh, yeah, so this is vaping tobacco. Yeah, you've seen them, right? They do the big old cloud of vape or whatever. Yeah, and it looks like a steampunk Looking vape pen, you know, I think it's a trend that will die I think it's uh, it's something you'll take it'll because I've seen way more of them than cigarettes in california around here Yeah, no, I don't think it's I don't think it's gonna last that long I think I already see people talking shit about it already It was like a cool thing for like a short minute and then now it's already like it's like a trendy hipster dorky thing to do Now so I mean, I guess if you were somebody that was Heavy smoker and it's it's helped you out as your transition away from cigarettes Then I could be I can be pro it but it seems to be like the new thing that all the you know 17 year olds to 20 year olds are are hopping on as like the the new the new smoking, right? It's now become the new smoke. It's healthier for you than cigarettes. So it's cool to do it, you know So I think when everyone starts realizing that it's not that much healthier for you to do it And not only that but it looks stupid smoking that robot. Here's the thing like nicotine has got some You know clear effects on the brain and body It's actually a and I hate saying this because I know people are going to be like cool. I'm gonna go try it Nicotine is uh, it's got new tropic properties. It does And it actually has some brain protective properties for things like Alzheimer's dementia No joke now doesn't mean you go use nicotine To get those potential benefits because the negatives of the fact that it's addictive as shit It definitely outweighs it but uh, there's a reason why back in the day People would smoke when they'd work really hard because the nicotine has got that and we have friends that Who is it that uses the chewing tobacco? Is it kyle? Yeah, kyle kingsbury and all those guys over on it organic Tobacco they use and all that kind of yeah, they're saying it's better for you or whatever But it's still addictive, you know, but it's it's got those new tropic properties where So i'm wondering if the whole biohacking community is going to start chewing Promoting that right? Well, you see I could see it. You see all the ontic crew over there I mean a majority of those guys are they were all dipping so they're all dipping and I I know that people are just looking for something Yeah, I think it's more of that man. I think I mean the real benefits you're getting from it or so come on I mean, you're not getting much. I don't necessarily feel great from I don't smoke of course So maybe I have to get used to it, but If I take a drag of a cigarette or definitely when I've tried, uh Chewing tobacco. I mean this was sick to my stomach. Yeah like terrible even cigarettes I could never do it even cigarettes. It's the effect is not I don't necessarily like it But no, I like that when I when I went through my little smoking kick for a short minute there I was I I liked the effect of it. I hated the smell of it. That's what I didn't like Yeah, I you can vape now It's too much effort dude too much effort I'll stick to my row and my joints every once in a while and having that to set the That's the thing about marijuana is they've tried to connect it to Cancer forever and there is no connection Right. And in fact it has protective effects, but it's not because Smoking is good for you because smoking is bad for you regardless of what you're smoking. You are breathing in Particulate matter. It's because it's the counter. Yeah, marijuana's got anti-cancer properties properties There's cannabinoids in there that are anti-cancer. So it's it's I've tried to get me getting anybody That's a friend of mine that smokes cigarettes. I always try and put them on marijuana I'm like, dude, if you're gonna smoke like that all the time get high Get high at least you don't have to smoke as much. Yeah, you won't have to smoke You won't smoke nearly as much and it's a lot better for you So if you've got a smoke because I think sometimes when when You get these people that are addicted to smoking cigarettes. Half of it is just the the habit of ritual Yeah, the ritual of of puffing on it all the time I know there's all the nicotine that can be very addictive in there also But I definitely think that some of it's just the habit of Going through the motions and smoking like that. All right. Do you guys um, do you guys watch? Um March Madness at all you guys watch you guys know what's going on. I mean I used to I know it's basketball Yeah, yeah, so it's college basketball and it's coming up right now. This is all I mean I follow a lot of that stuff So I enjoy are the brackets already coming out like people filling them out No, they'll that'll come out this coming week Next week or two You'll see all that stuff come out when when the official brackets are announced right now all the other tournaments That lead up to this tournament are happening The reason why I brought it up was because I try and find topics with you guys that we can talk about that You don't need to be like a fucking smart sports guru to have an opinion on this One of the biggest things in college sports right now that is highly debated Is whether we should pay Sports at college athletes. Oh, yeah, or not. It's been a long going discussion. Yeah, and it's and again It's it's big right now. Um, I don't know what came out recently in the news that that prompted it again But all over your talk radios and sports talk is is this whole argument on should we give a kid who's You know 18 19 years old going to duke university playing basketball Uh, you know, should he get paid to go to school? What do you guys think of that? Do you think that? What are the arguments for and against it? What like what are they saying? Well, so here's here's some of the things that when you don't this is some of so A lot of schools most schools. Okay, especially big schools Uh Pay players under the table. So let's say I was just gonna say because I feel like so let's say there's Let's say the best basketball player in the country in high school right now It happens to be some over here in california at some high school And duke university north carolina all your big basketball school see that and so they're all going to be recruiting this kid Well, you know, of course, he's going to get a full right scholarship He's going to get a full right scholarship to any of those schools So a lot of the ways that some of these schools in the past Had would get bribed this kid to come to school is you know, oh your your your parents are you know Poor and in this and that let let us buy your mama house Let's and they do a lot of and and they and they can't give the kid money, right? Because back in the old old days, it would be like a fucking cash, right? But that that guy fucking So now they have like these organizations like so Let's say you're part like, uh, I went to duke university 30 years ago There's you know alumni that you know that have money and wealthy and they love the sport in the game And so they together put their money together and they provide nice things for these kids So college life is a little better now all that stuff is against The law you can't do that so and they're all and really the game has been for the last 30 years How to how to uh work around the system the laws the rules say You can't pay players it's illegal to do that bottom line is these kids know that they're worth money That they're they're the best of the best. I had buddies that were like D2 schools that got money and got paid to go. So I oh, yeah Yeah, if you I've I've experienced some of that with people around me like superstars, right? They find ways to no and incentivize them One thing I wanted to bring up was john calipari. I think his name is he's the head coach for Kentucky You know anything about his approach to all this I thought it was like very interesting the way that he handles this with athletes coming in and out of his program because He actually attracts superstars And so his approach is that his whole goal is to get you in the NBA as quick as possible And so like all the rest of the coaches like they can't stand That they think that he's ruining the purity of because they want to keep him in longer They want to keep them in longer go through the whole program till they're a senior You know get them in on that end of it where he's like no fuck that There's a there's a time capsule that you have With performance with these athletes as far as longevity of their career Like opportunities like something might happen and you know this injury talented gifted athletes Not going to be able to actually get into a contract with the NBA We're not paying them here in college So you know the whole thing about like getting your education is one thing But like an NBA contract is fucking miles away from well Not only that but the reality of it is that most these guys aren't even they're not going to school, bro No, if you're if you're going to if you're going to kentucky or you're going to duke You're going to north carolina for on a full right scholarship and you're a starter on the basketball team You're your your classes are fucking you're majoring in cooking. You know i'm saying like you're not TAs to do all your work all that shit happens. Well, so i've seen it firsthand and it's like it's a joke So I have two questions one is is there a limit an age limit to get into the NBA? You have to play one year of college Only one year it used to not be that way change that because of people like him that that have started to Institute this where the I forget what they call Um, you know his style of coaching like a farm and this was an NBA This was an NBA role. They said, okay, you have to play. This is just recent So that's only been going I think for two or three years now where they we required might be a little bit long So stupid. They're also in cahoots. Why why have that so stupid, right? So well, we want the kids to go to school. You don't give a fuck. No, you really don't give a shit It's an obviously only your money It's obviously the college the the organization that manages the colleges and I don't need to know anything about basketball And this is what a lot of people and this is what a lot of people are saying about the kids So now imagine you're a kid like you're a superstar kid on a team like Duke like I'm saying And you're jersey. I mean they sell fucking one million dollars worth of your jerseys in a year You know and you're the ticket prices are up because you're the superstar athlete and you know the billboards Yeah, you're in marketing, right? So you're selling all the tickets. Yeah, your name your name is already becoming a marketable in in college If you're if you're a big sports fan Uh, especially and that's just goes for any sport, you know, you know One of the things what we do is you follow college You you want to see who the up-and-coming talent is and you know a lot of my when we were younger when we were in High school and college like we would buy college athletes jerseys, you know So there's a lot of money that's being made off of these kids That's being distributed through all the coaches and the organization and the school And so the argument is, you know, why are these kids not making making that money? And now there are some of these kids that Are helping produce, you know all this revenue for the school because of their talent and their name Uh, and then and they're they're not they're struggling to get by financially or whatever But then there's the other side of it too that I think a lot of these Big superstar named guys and girls for these these college teams are You know getting favors other places or other ways to do it the way I look at it is uh If you if something's gonna happen Then making it illegal only forces the underground and we don't get to see it We don't get to air it out. So the way I think is Let the schools pay them and let's see let's see what's going on. What's happening And I don't think and here's the thing people say well, they're exploiting they'll be exploiting the players Actually, that's the opposite. They're exploiting them now If there is any exploitation although it's all voluntary. So there is none But right now like you said they're making money off of people who they're not Paying and the only reason why they're not paying them is because it's illegal too Because if there was no law that said colleges can't play play pay players For sure they'd be paying them because that's how valuable they are right and for people who are pissed off By that because I know there's people listening right now. They're thinking No, fuck that. It's college. They're supposed to just be there for school We want to keep it pure Then stop spending so much money watching the games And then you'll see that the money will dry up and it won't be that way But the reality is it's got a massive pull Um, I personally I don't watch sports, but I know people who don't even watch Professional basketball all they watch is college. They actually say they prefer it. So it's a pure Major business for like all these networks like look at northern dame football, you know That's broadcasted to like every single state because there's such a popular team So, you know, it's mega business that they're making off of these kids And so you got to consider that as if it wasn't like that, you know If it's structured in a way or it was just this college is playing this college and then, you know Only our fans are watching, you know and cheering against your fans and that was all it was the funny part Is that I don't think you could I don't think you ever could police it or even organize it the same way that you organize it Like with the NBA and what I mean by that is like, okay, so Let's say we had we opened up salary caps and each school was You know allowed to spend, you know 100 million dollars on on contracts for athletes that are coming in Even if you you you did organize it you paid it you still are going to have People that like like I said the alumni that are part of duke or north carolina These big schools that are going to pay on top of that or spiff these kids on top of that to make them sway Because if I can go to if I go to north carolina or duke and now that now that we've decided Okay, we're going to allow these schools to pay them But everybody has to be on an equal playing field right because that's how you would do it You wouldn't allow it what's not fair for duke to compare or compete with cal You know financially because the amount of revenue they generate for their basketball team You'll never be able to get a player over there So you have to put some sort of a salary cap on it to make it an even playing field financially But even if you even that playing field out to where you could play Yeah, you're still gonna have people that are so I mean I think let's let it all go I think they're athletes. Yeah, I think they're athletes and they're adults So if there were children I could see okay. Well, they're under 18 There's that argument, but they're adults they can choose to get a job They can choose to do all these other things anyway like well, that's the other thing How if there's a market for it for anything? Yeah, like that was one of my arguments too Like being an athlete in in college like you don't have time to get a fucking job You know the whole the the practice schedule the amount of like video time and like Preparation throughout the week they own you like you don't have time to get a job I'm actually, you know make any kind of a money so I can go out with my friends and like I had to have Everybody pay for me to do shit I wonder if they fear like more corruption with with allowing the the money It would be less you think it'd be less of course if here's the thing Do you get more corruption in drugs with drug prohibition or less? You know I'm saying like more obviously because everything's forced underground. Yeah, but I don't know if you can still compare those two I get where you're going with that, but I don't know if you can well I mean is there more I mean, okay, let's put it this way Do you think there's more backroom deals and handshakes going on behind closed doors in college versus pro? Yeah, absolutely. Okay. Well, there you go. Yeah, so I don't I think it's still slimy You're probably can still see slime at least it'll be out in the open slime. You know I'm saying, right? No, I think I think they should I think it's silly that they have those kind of rules I think probably part of those rules probably come from Because it's it's it seems obvious to me From the little bit. I know so maybe guys can correct me the organization that covers college is what NCAA Right, yeah, it's one of the main ones. So that's that's the college organization that manages It seems to me like the NCAA and the NBA are partners And I feel like the NBA probably doesn't want the NCAA to pay Or to allow their schools to pay right because then they'll be competing directly with the NBA You know I'm saying yeah, I mean that that could be that's a that's a good because because think about the amount of money And again, correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not as privy on this subject as you guys are But I from what I know it seems like there's certain college basketball teams That generate more revenue Than even some pro basketball teams like maybe the worst pro basketball team probably doesn't Get as much, you know selling many tickets in jerseys and whatever or have as much pool as a top College team would you see is that comparable? Would you say no? It's comparable? That that's a really good question because there's a lot of other look at those numbers A lot of other factors with with national tv getting involved because I mean most your big college teams are Most of college arenas are four or five times the size of what uh an mba arena is So college arenas are fucking huge because you have all the student and faculty and everything like that that are Money everything. Yeah, so like so March Madness. Is that the finals for college? No, it's just it's a it's a tournament that they do in college, right? So and it's what are the biggest college basketball It's March Madness. Yeah. How does March Madness revenue-wise compared to like NBA season and then NBA finals and stuff like that That'd be a good thing to look up, right? You would you'd have to compare March Madness. I wouldn't think it's as big Yes, not it's not as big It's if you were to compare the it's like maybe like a playoff game or something the mba You'd have to compare the playoffs to Madness and the and the playoffs for the mba. I'm sure that it's a very good question though I would love to because I'm imagining right now if you bring a very good point of what would be a problem And I and I actually it's this why I'm glad I brought up to you guys because even though Someone might be like no shit about yeah, like you might be a soft one economics very well So you understand that this is probably Um, it is not in the NBA's best interest to have college because then if you're an athlete thing about this If I'm a college player, you know going to a cool school like Duke or North Carolina getting paid a shit time I'm getting paid good money. I don't want to leave. That's what I'm saying Yeah, I don't I don't want to be a but if I'm if I'm you know still in the competition level is a little bit lower So you're gonna get more time on the floor all that stuff. You're the man at school Are you kidding me? Like I would want to leave college. I've under super star college Like that's what I'm saying being paid. You might not want to leave if you're a junior or sophomore and you're already getting paid Shit tons of money or or if you're playing for a top college and a pro team comes in says Hey, we want to pay you this much money. Now. You can go to your college and be like, hey They're trying to recruit me. Yeah, how much will you guys pay me to stay? Right? So let me ask you if there's a salary cap, you know to the team They would have to like reorganize get rid of some players So think of it this way and again, correct me if I'm wrong the NBA obviously is the basketball organization If if someone we even with 10 billion dollars try to create a new basketball organization to compete with the NBA They'd have a very tough chance, right? It would they probably would fail. We've seen people do this with the nfl Now imagine if the nc AA all of a sudden got turned into a pro league right away Would they be able to show Or at least have a chance at competing. Yeah, they would they would so I'm wondering if The NBA is the one that's like, hey, look, we're like we don't want you guys to start paying if it's kind of like in cahoots You know, I don't know if they're in cahoots as much as they might be competitors Yeah, the national basketball association is different. I think it's different than the nc I don't think they can get away with not paying them, you know, so it's it makes the school more profitable So why would they want to pay there? Doug? Would you google nc AA? Affiliation or connection to NBA? Well, you did say that there's a new rule in the nba that you have to play one year Of college before you can go there, right? I'm that feels to me like the nc AA Negotiated that, you know, I mean like they went to them and said hey, we don't want to lose players Maybe I don't know that's that's they might have yeah because um like so LeBron and uh, Kobe came out early. Kevin Garnett came out early A lot of these guys skipped right past the college. So they must have seen like Potential in that so that probably shook them up into like, you know reorganizing that idea and like letting That be the new standard think about this way if you're a college And one of your main money makers is sports, which it is right in some colleges That is how they make a majority of their money sports. I know this And all of a sudden you're seeing that kids are not even attending or there's a trend where kids are wanted to go straight to pro You're gonna lose your cash cow I would if I was the head of the nc AA I'd go to the NBA and be like look We feed you guys quite a bit like I want you guys to make this rule That people have to stay for at least a year because otherwise we're gonna lose a shit ton of money It feels that way to me. I don't know. I just I mean it's it's definitely a valid thought. I think Yeah, so anyway. Hey, did uh organify stopped making the cacao bliss. Yeah Yeah, I just heard that here's bummed about that. Well, it was so I was drinking it last night I was thinking about that. I was like this sucks. This might be my last bottle of this gold Well, so they're working on I think making their own version I believe the person that makes the cacao bliss they affiliated with them and now that person Went off to do something else. So now or organifi is creating A new they're trying to work on something Uh on their own, but so that sucks because I like the cacao bliss. Please don't get rid of the gold No, the organifi gold is By far the best now become my favorite product. It's amazing one of my old clients I got her uh on on gold because of uh, just you know, that whole ritual of of Bringing her calming her body down, uh, you know before like making a ritual out of it At night to lower the anxiety levels lower the stress levels And she's been she's been drinking consistently the the gold And she likes it rick and everything. Yeah, and she loves it and that anti-inflammatory You know properties it has to it and everything has been real helpful. So I drink it with uh, I now mix my coffee with it because I like the The way it balances out the caffeine because if I just have straight caffeine sometimes I get too Too jittery So I'm amped, but I'm smooth. You know, I'm saying I don't get that weird anxious feeling sometimes I'll get from coffee if I push too much caffeine Plus the gold tastes freaking good Uh in coffee, so it's a nice little additive But yeah, don't get rid of that because that is now becoming the product that I use the most Yeah from organifi It was the green juice and that or the two I use the most But I think the gold is the one that I'm using even more so than the green This clause brought to you by organifi For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition Organifi fills the gap with laboratory tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health the performance the added edge Try organifi totally risk free for 60 days by going to organifi.com That's or gani fi.com and use a coupon code mind pump for 20 off at checkout All right. Our first question is from real girl real budget I was recently diagnosed with Hashimoto's What is your opinion on the auto immune protocol diet? What's the do you know? Do you know much about this? So any time you you're you're talking about A diet or a protocol that is for auto immune issues They revolve around at least the ones i'm familiar with Revolve around eliminating foods that have high potential for intolerances An elimination diet would be a way to individualize something like this Whole 30 eliminate gets rid of a lot of common food intolerances the carbohydrate specific diet Which people on crone's disease seem to be using a lot of Eliminates these types of things. Have you have you had anybody with Hashimoto's before? I've definitely. Oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely So this is when the the immune system basically attacks the The thyroid And so you you and it's it's becoming much more common In fact, the thyroid is one of the more auto immune that affects the thyroid it attacks the thyroid No, shit. Yeah, so sometimes people on Hashimoto's will need to you know, they'll need to take What is it synthroid or now is it a test for that? Do you know by levels of your I'm sure they find out from the thyroid. Well, and then they go back. Here's what sucks. Sometimes my wife Here's what sucks You could have low thyroid and that could Point to Hashimoto's or it could be something else Sometimes your thyroid is normal, but you just have lots of antibodies And so your body's not utilizing the thyroid very well And so there's further tests that you need to do sometimes. There's a lot of undiagnosed Potential, you know thyroid issues where people's thyroid seem normal, but they've got the symptoms of low thyroid So they'll have the goiter, you know, where that where it kind of gets a little swollen in the throat They'll have you know, the the side effects like, you know, cold coldness Um slow metabolism low energy So it's kind of a uh, but they're getting better at identifying these types of things But here's the thing about You know our opinion or my opinion on diets to help with autoimmune issues Diets can help anything What and what I mean by that is what you eat has a profound effect on your health And so whenever it's funny because who is who are we talking to? We were talking to somebody. Oh I forgot who it was. It might have been dr. Sean Baker where um, you know Where doctors will tell people like, oh, you know, it doesn't really matter what you eat or You know, you go to a doctor you have inflammation or you have psoriasis or you have some other kind of Chronic health issue and then you tell the doctor, you know What about changing what I eat and they'll say they'll respond and say, well, you could try that but you know almost like Dismissive like it's not going to make that big of a difference. Yeah, what you eat has a profound effect on your health I don't understand why this is even I know it's not even debatable. It's just like it's it's a reality Of course, of course it does like can you eat in a way that'll make you really sick? Yes So the opposite is also very true Can you eat in a way that you will impact your autoimmune issue? Well, we know this Western medicine knows this for a fact like There are there's definitely things that they will have you avoid eating if you have certain autoimmune issues But then they tend to stop right there and and not say something like You know eat this particular way to to benefit your body Here's the thing with autoimmune issues and autoimmune issue literally means that your body Your body's immune system is attacking your body And it can manifest in many different ways your your immune system can attack your skin It can attack your joints like rheumatoid arthritis It can attack your your pancreas and give you diabetes It can attack your thyroid and in this case Hashimoto's it can attack your liver it can attack your gut and give you Crohn's It's uh, it can it can attack in any way it can attack your eyesight Well, I just had I had a client just recently that had autoimmune issues. It wasn't uh, Hashimoto's I wasn't familiar with this one at all And and what do you think about this? This was my recommendation to her was You know, she's a big fan of thrive market. She shops on there all the time was I was like You know, literally just do the drop down for keto and follow and just eat the foods off of there for a while And then let's see how your body starts to respond from there and keto or paleo Yeah, that's what I was telling her and the reason why those two seem to work really well for autoimmune issues And I'm this is and I say seem because Diet and auto and autoimmune issues. There's still lots of research going on right now, but if you talk to Gut health experts like dr. Michael Ruscio, they'll tell you like oh, there's definitely a there's definitely a In effect paleo and keto Tend to avoid completely The common the foods that people commonly have Food intolerances to and that's I think that's a good point I'm glad you made that point because even when I said to her I say like we don't know for sure if this is This is not gonna fix you It's like this is a great place to start though by eliminating a lot of these process Any food can cause exactly any food can cause an an immune reaction And it's depending on the individual But the common the most common foods that we find That if somebody has uh food intolerances or has autoimmune issues Then eating foods that contain gluten eating dairy nuts soy corn Uh, let me think what else uh lagoons those tend to be the the the big ones right if you cut the egg whites Is another one if you cut those out Then you're usually you're typically going to remove most of the common problems This doesn't mean you're gonna be perfect because there isn't a huge uh individual variance But what happens when you eat foods that you're intolerance to intolerant to I'm not talking about an allergy by the way because an allergy is obvious to eat a peanut boom You get an allergic reaction When I eat something I have an intolerance to it just It heightens my immune system and so it makes it more It makes it hyper vigilant and so I'm more likely to cause these autoimmune issues to become Worse or to get you know quote-unquote flare-ups like adam you you notice this with your psoriasis right, you know What foods have you noticed for yourself anything that I eat that's if I eat anything in a wrapper of a box It almost is guaranteed that I'm gonna see it and I don't see it instantly I see it after I've made the habit of doing it two or three days in a row So if I've been really good at sticking to a whole foods type of diet And I've been consistent and then I let myself go off track Where I'm eating something out of a bag or wrapper or a box And then I it's not right away It's the second or the third day that I've allowed that in there and then I then I see the flare-up so Um, I haven't nailed it down to a specific food that is is causing it. I'm not sure I think I have Several things multiple. Yeah. I think I have multiple. It's almost always that way Right. I don't I definitely don't I definitely as much as I've played around with all the different types of foods Um, I I haven't nailed it down to a specific food that I have I can't tell you this. Okay. So and I just did this the other day. So Complete transparency. I was in the movie theater the other night watching Black Panther and um, I had And this is a recent thing that I've put together that I hadn't put together before now This just confirms what I'm saying right now about the box or wrapper or whatever So I had a box of Mike and Ike's now I grew up eating tons of fucking candy I rarely ever eat candy now and so occasionally when I'm watching a movie or doing something like that It's like, I haven't had one in a while like I'm gonna I'm gonna enjoy a box of my favorite candy or whatever So I'm eating Mike and Ike's And we're watching the movie. I eat at the beginning part of the movie Well, I catch myself and I do this like Subconsciously, I don't even notice I'm doing this because I have psoriasis and all these different spots in my body I'm I'm all of a sudden picking at it while I'm watching the movie And it didn't it didn't take but maybe a half hour hour After I consumed that that I all and so I'm noticing this now That, you know, I it's hard to tell because I always have psoriasis It's just either it's flared up really bad or it's suppressed So sometimes it's hard to pinpoint like oh, is it really flared up right now? Or is it just kind of bad or is it because of this paying attention right? So I pay attention to it more now And so I've been able to put together like I have seen two things I've noticed that if I have ice cream or if I have candy If I have one of those two things I do notice like I'll have this tendency to want to pick or scratch at it relatively quick right like right after it but within the hour or so I notice that I want to I want to get at it. So I I don't know though for sure what it is I do know they'll any client that has battled either psoriasis or any other autoimmune issues that I've put on Either a keto or a paleo type of a diet 90 plus percent of them have seen success with that. Yeah, so And this reminds me of when we had dr. Sean Baker on who's talking about the carnivore diet and how He felt so good eating Just meat and my belief and this is my speculation, but my belief is that Individuals like him because there's actually a community of people who just eat meat like that's all they eat And they just they say they feel best doing it that way my Speculation and I would I wouldn't mind putting money on this. I would definitely bet money on this that these people are in such a hyperimmune state That they have so many autoimmune or so many intolerances to food that eliminating all of them except for the one that Is the most nutrient dense and the one that is the least likely to cause Autoimmune issues or intolerances, which is red meat red meats very nutrient dense You could just eat that and not have a nutrient deficiency. You get your fats and proteins proteins, which are central macronutrients That they feel best not because their diet is great, but because they've eliminated all the stuff that is causing problems I remember you kind of proposing that and then it just kind of went right over But I definitely think there's something in that thought Because even even like assessing myself and kind of trying to Troubleshoot as to what the triggers are that set off You know my acid reflux and this this chronic issue I've been battling with forever It is it's like, you know just eating meat for a while for me even personally I feel I feel like You know, I don't have the same response like a certain things that haven't triggered, but I'm not going to stay within just You know that is my only source of nutrients, you know like so reintroducing, you know, one thing yeah one thing's the time from there has been my my sort of protocol A good starting point depending on it depends how bad you are but a good starting point and this is from dr. Roussio Is uh paleo he says when people kind of want to generally figure out like what's going on and You know during the beginning stages He said paleo is a good place to start because paleo Eliminates a lot of the common food intolerances that people have the problem is When I tell when I talk to people about eating paleo or eating keto or whatever is especially excuse me from a From a food intolerance perspective They don't realize Just uh how easy it is to get things that Like for example gluten like did you know that certain marinades? And sauces and things have yeah like soy sauce Soy sauce is is full of gluten a lot of people don't know that So if you're doing paleo and you're adding soy sauce to something And but you're you're you're not because some people do paleo and they're not super strict, right? They're just doing it for performance or whatever But some people do paleo because they have autoimmune issues and they want they need to be strict But then they try paleo and they're like it didn't work for me Well, the problem was That a lot of the things that you use you don't realize that there's common You know those food intolerance foods in there And uh the cool thing about thrive is that they do that for you to categorize it So you could literally go to thrive market click on paleo and it's very much easier Yeah, it's very strict. So the sauces on there the product everything on there Kind of meets that and I do believe they have a gluten-free option too, which if you're gluten-free you're not just Avoiding, you know gluten for the most part if you're really gluten-free You can't even have a trace of it or at least you don't want a trace of it and they've also categorized that so What do I think of the autoimmune protocol for someone the Hashimoto's? I think you should try it and I but if you do try it Be vigilant. Yes, you're not just dealing you're not going to fill it overnight It's something no and you're not just dealing with you know I'm doing this diet because I want to lose weight and I want to get in better shape You're dealing with an actual autoimmune issue in which case even the smallest amount Is going to prevent you from seeing the potential benefit So if you do the autoimmune protocol be strict as hell on it like literally don't even let your food touch other foods that have potential You know intolerances to you Be very strict do that for at least three months and then see if you notice any effects But I personally know people who have Had dramatic effects from changing their diet for autoimmune issues. I had a client who had rheumatoid arthritis who almost completely I mean like nothing like and again, I've talked to my about my god son before about carbohydrate specific diet with crones like Almost total remission like that's fucking crazy. You know what I mean? So There you go Next question is from Camilla Montaner What is the best program for fat loss? Oh, I know why you picked this one. Yeah That's a tough. You know what common question. Yeah, super common, right? um If you're I want to make sure I answer this as accurately as possible because off the top of my head generally speaking That's an easy one. I can say maps hit Generally and I'll explain that in a second But generally maps hit by far in a six-week period will burn more body fat um on the average healthy person Then any any other program that you'll find now When I say generally the reason why I say generally is because if you're in a state of metabolic damage If you've already come out of a hit style program if you diet super extreme Let's say you just competed in bikini competition or you just ran a long ass 1200 calorie diet Then maps it will not be the best program for you That'll just cause more metabolic adaptation And will be the opposite in in in that case I would go maps anabolic or something like that where you're building the metabolism We're building the strength but as far as just pure fat loss in a short period of time maps it Hands down by far. No maps hit. I agree with you But I think that's it's so true that if you're somebody who takes those orange theory classes or you're into crossfit or You're into the this type of explosive Plyometric type of work or training and then you purchase our maps hit and you're expecting it to be the the fastest fat loss I I don't I don't think you're going to see that but if that same person That's end of all that type of training and that's what they gravitate towards most of time If they were to do maps red that would actually be the probably the greatest Program for fat loss. It's so funny. We release maps here, right? And we put on there a warning and we tell people like Yes, it is the most effective Fat loss program we have and that you know six week period time However, you know, if you have metabolic damage, don't do it if you're over trained don't do this And that we're trying to be as trying to maintain as much integrity as possible And then I look in the forum and the people who are raving. Oh my god I love this pro whatever and I know these people because they've been in our forum for a long time Some of them should not be fucking doing hit and I am going to call you out Not on the podcast But I am going to message you because I know some of you because I've talked to some of you You know on the side and you you would ask questions like why Can I lose weight? I'm only eating 1200 calories and when I'm like, okay Your metabolic your metabolism has been fucking adapted because you've done this for so long You should not be doing it This is one of those things where we tried to deliver the most education the most Uh, direct kind of like look start here like this is really what you need to do specifically And we try and highlight all those type of avatars like if you're this person this will work best for you If you're this person this will work best for you But this is this is where we start to flirt in to what people like they really want They want like a high-intensity style workout because it kind of feeds You know this this type of mechanism. They're like they love that they crave it They they know that you know if it's something that you have been doing that it definitely does promote Uh, you know fat loss it promotes, you know, a lot of burning calories. I mean, there's no denying that It's just that you know as trainers we have this we have this sort of integrity based Approach to it where we really try to Um guide, you know teach teach a man to fish, you know So that way you can make sound decisions on your own But yes that that is an option So, you know, it's there it's there once you put the foundational work there Oh, it's alluring it's alluring because it's it's burned that body fat. It's going right to the top Yeah, I mean I'll tell you what if you're in the right state So if your body's not in this metabolic damage or whatever and you do a six week maps hit program with good nutrition Three to six percent body fat loss in a six week period You could do that you have to have a good diet too By the way a program is not going to burn body fat on you if you have a shitty diet But you know three to six percent loss and body fat can definitely happen and that's traumatic Like if you're a 15% Body fat guy Which 15% is kind of average body fat. You're not overweight, but you're not lean super lean You're just kind of like your average dude. Maybe the dot dad bought a right right that probably be around 15 to 17 percent You drop six percent body fat. You you might have a six pack. That's a pretty dramatic change in a short period of time so Yeah, definitely by far generally maps it will burn the most body fat However, if this is what you've been doing if you've been dieting super hard for a long time already Not the program for you in which case we recommend something like maps Yeah, in a perfect world I think you have one or two of our programs and maps hit is what bridge Bridges you between programs or finishes off a program. I'm going to be doing that So I'm going to be doing that pretty soon. I'm going to phase my way out of our more traditional programs and I'm going to do hit for Just a few weeks, but it's not for fat loss I'm doing it because I want the the conditioning because I haven't trained like that so long And I feel like my stamina is just that'd be great. I feel like it's terrible Like we were we were running in the airport and I was like, okay It's time for me to start improving my stamina Next question is from Mike Peterson. How important is the mind muscle connection? Super super important, you know, it's funny. Um One of the things I love most about what we do is we have the opportunity to talk with Uh, really really smart people and I would never have the leverage or opportunity to talk to them If I didn't have a podcast and recently we got to sit down with ben pakulski I knew you're gonna go this way and uh, ben pakulski is mr. Mind muscle. Yeah, he is he's a very very intelligent Person and which makes him a genius in the bodybuilding world because a lot of the guys in the bodybuilding world Aren't very smart unfortunately, but ben is just a he's a he's a very very intelligent individual Very objective and we had some great conversation And he said something to me that I had to stop and think about And examine in my own personal experience because he made a claim And his claim was there was two two parts. He said number one. Nobody has weak muscles In other words, nobody has a weak body part So if you can build muscle in your body, then all of your muscles can build And the reason why you have a weak body part is besides muscle insertions and stuff like that is because you have a poor You have a you compare it comparatively right a poor connection So he said that and I thought about it. I'm like, is that true and I started thinking about the other thing He said that was that was kind of crazy was If somebody has a weak body part He said 100 of the time That body part will have a very tough time connecting or at least be weak in its most shortened position So let me explain what I mean Let's say my biceps just don't respond like the rest of my body When I go to test the strength of my bicep in its most shortened position That's where I'm totally totally flexed Then I'm probably going to be weak or weakest in that position comparatively So I thought about that and I thought really hard about all the clients I've trained I thought about myself and my weak body parts And I think there's definitely some validity. I don't know if I could say a hundred percent of the time That's probably based on his experience But I'm thinking about the times I've trained women with glutes that didn't want to develop or When my lats didn't want to develop when I was younger or you know My chest or other clients when they had a weak body part And I think he might might be right. I think he's right. It's in that super shortened position Where they tend to be The weakest and if you think about it when you shorten a muscle as short as you can then you try to squeeze into it and connect That requires a lot of Mind-muscle connection right a lot more focus. Yeah, it's the same It's the same concept within the frc system And that's really what a lot of it amounts to that connectivity you can get Neurologically so you can direct um, you know attention to Joints specific joints and so their whole approach is to really identify Uh each individual joint first and get connectivity And so it's basically kind of like the bodybuilder mentality. They both reflect each other a lot where they're isolating They're isolating joints. How do I isolate it? Well, uh, you know tensing and anchoring and shutting off Um abilities of the rest of my body. So I don't I don't get my shoulder to rotate with it I don't get my hips rotating with it. It's everything stabilized. Well, now I freed up my joint to perform Uh, you know different rotations different functions. It's supposed to so Similar to that now if I slow things down and I'm trying to actually increase strength Um, like in the shortened position like you'd mentioned in like a bicep curl or something like that And I really connect and squeeze to that and now I incrementally make my way through the full range But I'm connected to that whole process. I mean, that's a whole that's a whole new landscape of strength This is why tension is so effective when they do studies on on applying isometric tension To regular routines. There's a profound Benefit in strength and muscle and I think it's because when you're doing isometric You're connecting to it rather than moving away where Other you can use momentum momentum and other muscles can help And the and the best I mean, let's let's say what you will about bodybuilders and their training or whatever Easily I can make this claim all day long the the the athletes that have the best control over individual muscles bodybuilders Oh, 100 by far 100 I can take I can take the same exercise like let's say a lat pull down And I can make that work so many different muscles for sure Just just by mentally connecting as you as you pull down now sure in general your lats and certain moves Certain muscles are going to be engaged, but you can definitely put More emphasis on different parts of different parts of your body that perform A similar movement just by mentally focusing on it And I think that's something that you know bodybuilders are trained to do because we're trying to You know We're trying to isolate these parts and develop these parts of our body that don't look You know to proportion to something else where the average person is that's just trying to be healthier in shape Or an athlete that's trying to perform They're just trying to move and they want their body to move together Well, you know a bodybuilder is a sculptor, you know, I'm looking to I don't care about Moving the weight or the most weight possible I I care about specific muscles that I'm trying to address are getting most of the load And there takes a I mean, I love training this way. This is how I trained all through my competing And this is how I want to get back into it's a difference between it's like chess You know, I mean it's like chess It's the chess of working out in the sense that you have to be really concentrated And intricate with feeling particular rather than perfecting a movement where I mean athletes I think it really has to be perfect movement. I actually think it's I think it shapes our body a precursor So like I look at it as like being being able to connect on a high level But you know, it's really challenging to get from that focus now getting into the gross motor movements and and perfecting the mechanics with shutting certain Mechanisms off so like you want to like for instance if you're deadlifting But your natural tendency is to now I want to pull it, you know with my arms And get my biceps and everything involved where now I have to like use this as an overall Gross motor movement and it's it's tough. It's a tough transition. Well, I see I can tell By looking at somebody's body in the in the gym I think I believe how good of a mind muscle connection they have I literally feel like I can walk in a gym and I could see and We have an example in this room right like the difference between when remember that day Okay, we all worked out with ben pac not this last time of the time before and and and ben was You know walking over to justin lot and doing stuff with him with his workouts Now this has nothing to do with the fact that Justin knows how to work out. He's a fucking excellent trainer But justin's an athlete first and a bodybuilder fourth like if you go down the list of things that he is Yeah, he's an athlete number one and he only trained like a bodybuilder probably for a short period of time So the way you train and move the weights was very different Then the way me and adam moved the weights when we're training like bodybuilders, right because it's it's something we've practiced Yeah, this is a start. There's a destination whereas, you know, the way that He was trained like say it's the rear delts Like I was the one that was the most awkward for me because like I don't Like I haven't like educated my body as far as like the mechanics involved with trying to isolate You know the rear delts specifically, you know from that position And so it was like a foreign animal to me. So, uh, yeah, it's definitely like, uh, I mean training Um, you're patterning the whole time you're patterning the sequence and it's something that you know becomes a default And so yeah for me that was like an alien concept that just shows me that I could I could spend some time with that and get some benefit Well, it all just depends on what you want, right? That's right You you don't tend to care that much about looking a certain way. So who gives a fuck You know I'm saying because if you you care more about moving and your body working synergistically together and and you do that very very well Uh, what I think I do really really well is I can I can grab any piece of machine or dumbbell or weight And I could fire whatever muscle I want and I've now seen The effects of that it's created a more shapely physique. I mean it's I've been able to shape I mean, I remember being told that I had horrible shoulders and no rear delts And that's a strength of mind now that's a strength of mind because I've gone I've gone to the drawing board But do you remember the process of learning? Yeah connect to them and feel them. Yeah, you know, I mean up into that point Uh, I did shoulder exercises I did the ones that you always see in the magazines or I do do what I saw that were there like I wasn't I wasn't performing movements with an intent like I like I later on learned to do And I saw a huge difference in the way my but now Put me against someone like Justin Who's been training more like an athlete and if we had to You know do a bench press competition I I would say he would outperform me and a lot of movements like that Because he will get that weight up and he's taught his entire body all the way from his toes To his head to engage to get that weight off of his chest where I don't train that way I control it with a four second negative and pause and then come out trying to feel the pecs Right exactly. I don't want to feel it in my legs. I don't want to feel it in my core I don't want to feel it anywhere else but my chest and so I won't be able to probably move as much weight But I've learned to control it that way and keep it in an area that I'm trying to develop and it's When it when it comes to sculpting your body Um Okay, movement makes a big difference Especially initially learning how to bench and squat and deadlift and do the good form But after a while like if you want to sculpt your body that mind and muscle connection is everything I mean it really is it's it's almost everything like I can almost how many times have we had clients that have come to us and said oh, I can't build my butt And I don't go have them do a bunch of great butt building exercises First I get them to connect to their butt and then we do the butt building. It's like that's what look we did a mod Right, what is it the step a the butt builder? Yeah a bundle that we have We will we combine maps anabolic and maps aesthetic I believe yeah, and we put a mod in there that's specifically designed to give you the mind muscle connection because There's a lot of different ways your body can squat Uh, and if you're trying to develop your glutes Then you want to have a good connection with your glutes so that when you do the squat The glutes are firing the way you want and now they develop and you're involved and you sculpt the body I did want to say something real quick the FRC you guys were comparing it in a previous episode to what was it p? Oh p and f p and f here's the one of the big differences FRC when you're in a position you have a progressive tension So you're flexing the muscles that you're actually stretching, but you also do regressive where you flex the muscles that are shortened Uh, the p the p and f doesn't do that. Okay p and f is all progressive So that was one of the big differences. I want to say that because I got a message from Somebody who's like no and they listed other differences too, but that was the bigger one Yeah, no it by no means is it the same thing? It was just comparable. Yeah, I weren't seeing it's the same thing They've built on that science. They've built on that information Pales and rails is definitely like it's it's a reflection of Yeah, and I and I'm a huge fan of kin stretch and I I use that only I don't even use p and f because I think of it as a superior Way of utilizing some science and we've built off and even with p and f I used to use like so I would I would use somebody else like to help me stretch my way through that right? Well, that's what p and f at p and f you have to use somebody else Which is you know frc? You do and that is that that is the big difference is you're you're not getting an outside force You're having to connect to that like you're saying right now. So that's a major difference Make sure you go to the app store and download our app to listen to our podcast you can actually search Different topics and stuff in the app pull up the shows that it's better than angry birds. It's uh, it's free It's also free. So go do it I always get excited when when ben comes into the studio It's always nice to get caught up with him. He's a he's a good friend of all of ours and a great podcast And yeah, and I'll be honest like we we just don't have enough I don't even have time to listen my own podcast So a lot of times I don't get a chance to listen to all his episodes So one of my favorite things just to ask him is like dude Who have you interviewed recently that it's like blowing your mind and he normally gives me A couple episodes that is just phenomenal to listen to And he interviewed the guy and we've actually the funny part about this is we've actually performed some of these Exercise we've taught some of these guys used his techniques in our programs. Right, which is great and the big hill airplane, right? Yes, yes, and ben had the privilege to interview him. What was the name of the episode south? The episode was how to get extreme okinawan strength three ways to fix low back pain And the best core exercises and it was with Stu McGill who's like this brilliant, uh, you know brilliant individual that understands how to work and correct Back pain in the episode he talks about how to clinically study Like the best back pain exercises with EMG so you can see how muscles are firing using that technique He talks about which exercises have been shown to actually reduce back pain because they're not all the same And then uh, he also, uh, didn't he write a book? Is it was it the gift of injury a gift of injury and uh, that was about how he rehabbed a power lifter who took You know, basically the guy was like not going to be able to move anymore Anyways, that is a great episode to make sure for you guys to tune into so make sure I know a lot of people that listen to our show also listen to ben. It's tough to consume all of the content So I always like to get caught up with him and find out we may have to steal him as a guest next No, no, I think that's a great especially since we're stealing his exercises. 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