 Rydych chi'n gynnig yw mewn bwysig â'r prysgau Chyllid yn ddweud â'r ddweud o'r ffwynguównaeth. A byddai'n gyrsgwladau yng Nghymru i'r llygau yn ddweud ffyrdd yma, ond mae'n gydag yng Nghymru, yr ymddi'r ddweud, ond mae'r gynhyrchu ar y cyfnod 75 o'r ddweud o'r prysgau o'r ddweud o'r ddweud o'r llygau, o'r gymuned o'r ddweud o'r ddweud o'r ddweud o'r llygau, the best to handle the president's rejection of the electoral reform bill. Now according to the president of the senate Amadlawn, the provisions of the 1999 constitution do not permit the upper chamber to exclusively take action on such masses in the absence of the House of Representatives which had already backed on vacation. Now joining us again is Tunji Abdula Amidhi, the legal practitioner. Thank you very much Tunji for staying to speak with us on this issue. Thank you very much. Aelir yn y mynd yw gyfnodd yw ysgolwyr ac mae'n gwybod yw'r ysgolwyr ei wneud o'r bwysig. Fe yw'r bwysig yw'r bwysig hwn yn ymddi'r bwysig, sy'n gallu bod ymddych yn ei wneud o'r ffwrdd y byw. A yw'r bwysig yw'r bwysig hwn yn ymddych yn ymddych yn ymddych yn y byw, mae'n gilydd i'r bwysig o'r gwybod, ac mae'n gwybod bod y byw yn ei ffwrdd a'r ymddych yn y byw. Mennu ddechuwch, wedi'i gwneud i syniadau'r Prif Weinbeiddion refer y Llywodraeth Cymru, yn cael ddif yn traeth y ddweud yn cael dnaf yn llawer. Ond addysgolfyn o'r Prif Weinbeidio i'r gorffodus.界daeth o'r gveydd gael i ddechrau iaith i gadewch â'r Rhingon. Er bod yn pullach, mae'r Prif Weinbeidio yn ei amser o'r Prif Weinbeidiau erbyn ychydig, i gael i'r Prif Weinbeidiau, rydych chi wedi gweld 75 syddwyd. Ond yna, rwy'n credu bod yw'r tynnu ar gyfer amser? Rwy'n credu bod Ysgrifenni Llyfrgell yn fwy o'r gwahodd cyffredinol i'r cyfnod o'r cysylltu'r ysgrifenni'r ysgrifenni'r ysgrifenni'r ysgrifenni? Mae'n cysylltu ar gyfer, Angul. Mae'n credu bod wedi gweld yn amser ar gyfer y Llyfrgell ysgrifenni'r ysgrifenni'r ysgrifenni'r ysgrifenni'r ysgrifenni. Ond nid o'r gwahoddau yn ymddill honno i ddim yn ei ddweud o'r gyflym, i ddim yn diolch i ddim yn ei ddweud, i ddim yn ddim yn y creu cyflym math, i ddim yn ei ddweud rydym. Ond ddim yn dweud o'r gwahoddau â roedd y byd, syddwn yn fwy o'r ysgolol. Ond rydym yn ei ddweud ac yn unig y byd, ddim yn dweud o'r byd. Dwi'n gwneud yn bod yn ddweud fy charin o'r cyflym datblygu yng nghymru i ddweud i ddweud. ddaf i'r ddechrau i'r ddweud rhywbeth ar y celfcyd yma, ac yna'r clywed eich dŷlion ar gyfer. A dyna gynnal cyddiadau ddim yn dderfyni'n rodd panidiad o'r ysgolol ar y ffordd. Yna, roeddem nhw, roeddem nhw i'n rhaid i'r ffordd sefydlu, a roeddem yn hyn a gwnaeth gyda'r cyffredig â hyffredig cyddiadu'r cyffredig i mi sydd yn rhaid i'r cyffredig ac yna gyrsgol ein ffordd a iechyd yn ystod yn eitem iawn a'w rhan o'r llwyddo i'w dda un iddyn nhw dda ar ôl, lle byddio yn adrodd yn ddetrwynt yma i gael ymarfer nesaf a'r amlion i'r sgwhaith rhai i adrodd yn y dddur ac mae'r perffreddau yn cael ei gydigio ar y cydweithio gael y byddio gei, ac mae'r byr rhaglen yn eu cyfano ar ein hyn yn yma... ..wyr ychydig iawn a sefydlu yn ddweud. Felly mae'n dda i'r achos ac mae'n ddysgrifes ym bun. Mae'r president iawn ei wedi bod yn blynyddoedd o'r nesaf a oed ddysgu pan fod yn ganddo i'n ganddo? Da yna'r holl hyn o'r ysgol yma Plice? Mae'r president yn ganddo i ddweud o ffordd saethau ddwyng ytwn i'r gael sy'n meddwlrainol, wrth gwrs, mae'n holl hwn yn ganddo i ganddo i ganddo i'r ganddo i'n ganddo i'n meddwlraeth, oherwydd mae'n holl hwnnw fel yma, is also looking at interest don't forget politics is the game of numbers and interest so why would he not prioritise his party's interest? Ddi not byr e patty i lan ydw i'r gweithio a ddweud i'r mhagor o dyma sy'n ddiadd i ddaf yma o ffong ar un i ddim iawn, if that's the case they shouldn't have even passed the bill at all so the member of his party agree with the bill and they even are convinced that that bill is good for us and that it's not about, I don't want to agree that it's about the party, the bill is not about the party but it presents in personal interest. O'r cyfwysunyaeth sydd ydym yn gorodwyr ei bod yn gweithio gwahanol cyfnod i gael. Rydyn ni'r cychwyn i ymddangos, rydyn ni ddim y syniad y gwell yn gwahanol, a'r ddau i'r cydweithio yn cyfwysiadol — rydyn ni'n gwahosio ymdweithio ar gyfer gwasanaethaw! Ydw i'n gweithio ar gyfer gael ac rhywodd yn cyfwys carbono. Efallai i'r cyfwysiad yn cyfwysiad IB. Cysri heddiwch ar gweithio. Dwi wedi ddim yn gwneud i'r cyfwysiad, Nesen Asembe. Nesen Asembe. Nesen Asembe. Nesen Asembe. Nesen Asembe. Nesen Asembe. Nesen Asembe. Nesen Asembe. Well joining us is Professor Richard Walker-Chai is an associate professor of public law at the River State University. Thank you very much, Professor, for joining us. Thank you. So looking at this issue, like I said, a lot of people have been speaking. A few days ago I spoke with a member of the House of Representatives representing Donga and federal constituency. He is actually a member of the People's Democratic Party and he made an allegation saying that the National Assembly which is led by the APC which has the APC as majority and of course this Mr President is also of the APC he said that they have no plans whatsoever to activate this particular electoral act bill to make it law before 2023 that this is a game according to him he said it's a game and it's a waiting game of sorts that they might just play, you know, the people until it's close to elections then they will say it would be it's a bit too late to sign it into law. Listening to this, do you agree or do you think that there is something else in the works? Professor Walker-Chai, can you hear me? Oh I think we lost the connection there. But back to you back to you Tungi. This is what the PDP member said a few days ago do you think that that's what the APC is planning to do again for 2023? Remember what happened before and now? I attend to follow that line of course because I do not see the reason why the president will use that particular grant to say I'm not going to sign. When the bill was passed by a member of your party the majority of those who are members of the APC and they didn't believe in that that was why it was sent to the president and I believe it was a ploy I'm thinking so. Why would it be a ploy? I mean if they didn't want it in the first instance they would not be pushing so hard and all of those deliberations that were made were made mostly by the number of people supporting the APC on the floor of the National Assembly in bulk houses. Why put in so much effort and not necessarily wanting to come to fruition? If truly they believe in it they would by now be thinking about to fetch to the president's assent. They are not thinking that and you can see it they are not thinking that. That means they don't have a belief in it or they respect one person compared to the entire country because the president alone cannot override the interests of the majority they pass the belief because they believe in the big country and the India... Let me talk about the concerns of the president in this issue especially the issue of direct primaries and many people have said if we agree to go that way then we're going to have to stagger the primaries being that it's going to be expensive it's going to be time-consuming it's going to thin out INEC officials one. There are also those who say that well now that INEC has said that the financial burden for the direct primaries rests solely with the political parties does that mean that there will be a cap for a new cap for political parties in terms of financing let's not forget also that's an issue where CERAP has taken different political parties to court that issue is still pending is that not going to be a concern of sorts so if the president is saying parties have a constitution of sorts that they should follow they should amend those constitutions before we say well it's law that you can have a direct primary across boards should that not be something that we should be taking a look at? Like I said earlier I support the president for the reason given that what I'm saying is that you don't wait as a president who is interested in the interests of the country you don't wait to wait for an error when you see an error when they are planning to be you would raise your attention to it and draw your attention to it since we are acting with the interests of the country not just to sit back and then expect them to say we are going to rely on this error and I don't believe that it's because of direct primaries even though I believe that our party can be much harder than it is because of the the government should not determine how a party should run its affair in that regard there should be their duty to do and like I said I also agree with you of the finance it's going to be too expensive and logistic we can't cope with it and it won't change anything but that's the point we see prefer people will see determine who are who we come by candidates that's why they are afraid of presidents I think we have Professor Wacocia back Professor Wacocia can you hear me I can hear you clearly great I'm going to let you attempt the question that I asked earlier before we lost the connection with you why do you think that there's this back and forth and why do you think that the Senate and the House of Representatives have not been able to grow a piss to be able to deal or veto Mr President on this issue first if you follow the development of the bill historically you will find that there was a divide between legislators who said they were doing the people's bidding and politicians in top political positions who usually had the prerogative of using their political positions to determine who stands for election and power at the time the bill was passed there was some movement by groups Governors Forum Governors being opposed to it and arguing it would be too expensive and all that it wasn't the political parties that were arguing it would be too complex and all that and I think has said it's not too complex for us we can do it I think that the constituencies that need to speak on this issue have spoken and they do not have problem with it so all I can make of it is that the powerful political groups that have grouped themselves against the bill and the passage of the bill veto and act by the presidential ascent have succeeded in putting pressure on the president you saw them meeting with the General and they urging the general to advise the president against it and all that so it wasn't the function of oh this what is prescribed in the bill would be impossible for us and by the way how do you determine what is expensive and what is not as a public and as a nation if the responsibility is giving people opportunity to choose their leaders and you have a process that has withheld selection of leadership or recruitment of leadership from the people in all these years why should correcting it be considered more expensive what are we spending money on what is the value of the things on which we have spent much more money than what this one will cost so I do not those reasons don't make sense to me is it that it will be too expensive therefore let us keep wrapping the paper and let politicians continue to run their show are we thinking about this country are we thinking about developing this country are we learning from the experiences of the past and the present experiences or we just want to be marooned the way we are and allow those in control to continue to be in control it's usually difficult to think of leaving a position and moving to the next level but if we want this country to remain a country and we want to see this country leave out the expectation we need to get the power back into the hands of the people that way the officials will behave with responsibility and that way so I do not see anything expensive about this because you have spent much more on your 11 things I want to go to something that was said by the centre for anti-corruption and open leadership now they urged lawmakers to revisit the bill with the inclusion of the disabled and other issues that the bill had initially failed to add to it now they are also saying that the bill failed to cover corruption among political parties inclusion of women and youth disabled persons experiencing a total black out in parties at different levels they have even said that nobody is willing to lend these people support so they are saying it's not just enough for you to bring back this bill even though the president has not ascended to it add the necessary things and then of course go ahead and pass it into law because you have the powers but do you think that it is advisable now you are a lawyer so you would be able to tell us this is it advisable for the national assembly to even take into consideration all of these other amendments will that not again drag on this issue and so much so that it might not get the signature or be passed into law in time for the elections definitely once you go into that drag it beyond the expected period and get us like getting over the entire circle again to present again to the president for me I think that what is critical and what needs to be done is to override the veto of the president whatever amendments you want to make later you can make amendments but what is critical is enabling the people to choose their leaders with the party primaries that we have talked about because if you present a number of persons selected by money box and political godfathers you are left between the devil and the deep blue sea so give the party the opportunity to choose the most popular candidates whom they will present to the people and give people the opportunity to choose the best from those that are presented to them it's not just the primaries alone we have to be able to take this thing to the very end if we are talking of getting electronic voting completely these further arguments are very disabled and non-disabled will be of little moment because virtually everybody in Nigeria now has an android phone and those who don't have an android phone can get to the centers where they can do what they have to do here so it will take off a lot of these things we are talking about as well as security issues that we have been experiencing all these years if we are a serious country we will take everyone's debt in the electoral process as a very serious issue not to talk of the number of debts we are experiencing in this country each time there is an election so I think what they should do is override the veto of the president and thereafter back to you Tunji as much as we are saying that we want to continuously put pressure on the members of the National Assembly to do the bidding of the people we did do that didn't we before this bill was even escalated to Mr President there were so many things that Nigerians were asking for and the same thing we saw with the PIB PIA before it became PIB there were so much issues that were unattended and then they still decided on what they thought was fair as opposed to what the people who put them there invested commerce open and close asked them to do so again whatever pressure that Nigerians begin to mount again on these people and I am talking about Nigerians at all levels will it change the minds of the people who sit in those chambers also noting that some of them might want to re-run for office Like I said around 5, I have a question I want to disagree with the Associate Professor that the direct primary or indirect primary eliminate or disqualify some people from 14 is not correct, democracy is a by way of representation we are all not we are all of us are not at the National Assembly those at the National Assembly are representing us can we now say because we are all of us are not at the National Assembly we are being made by all of us all of us cannot be there and those who delegate those who become candidates are elected by the party this is a party affair all the people who are fighting for are not a member of the party most of the people who are complaining are not a member of the party the party will run their affair if the internet says they can do it they are asking that the party should run the cost where will they get the money from and that is why you will see why people will not say why are they putting such a amount of money because they need money to run the party and they need money to run affairs of the party it goes beyond all this you are talking about you see if you are involved in the party activities you know that too to run a direct primary in fact those parties that don't have money that are not being done before will not be able to even conduct a direct primary to go from one place to another all the contents of the country will be 30,000 to be personally calculated to all the entire world in the country it is going to be a huge improvement and that will not reduce the influence of the government look at legal state for instance there was a direct primary in 2019 yet everybody was popular than the current governor at that time and yet he lost was he a direct primary and he was a direct primary why is the popular time he lost because once somebody was somewhere he went so we were except for the same thing I said all these parties do not have data that can tell me who and who are members of the party I can vote for APC and tomorrow I will also go and vote where PDP are doing the other part of this year re-registering its candidates you are telling me that all that information has been tossed in the dustbin I cannot believe that I say verifiable it cannot be verifiable how do you mean it cannot be verifiable these people have passed the membership part being re-registered so they have their information the awards, the local government areas that should be the main purpose of a re-registration process except you are saying it was an exercise in futility I agree with you but have you ever seen display of any voters members of any party have you ever seen it nobody will even see the list of those who are qualified to vote you just see somebody bringing the list from somewhere look at the number of seats the last election the APC candidates were said to have scored a tieran something to win the party what is this called a digital election if they are going to tieran a thousand for a member what is not scored to tieran a thousand in the main election that is the question to be answered the right primary will only bring up figures and it will not give any better results than what we are having now and it will not even be a waste of time that remove the entire because there are so many other things that are very important to be and the issue of women the other aspect that they are talking about the disabled women in college or whatever as far as I'm concerned I'm not aware of any law in the country that prevents any women from protesting for elections I'm not aware of any...