 Coming up on DTNS Chris Ashley from SMR podcast joins us to talk about new features for pixel phones AT&T exempting HBO Max from data caps and Samsung's new subscription service This is the Daily Tech news for Tuesday June 2nd 2020 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio Redwood. I'm Sarah Lane And I'm Roger Chang Producing the show. Yes, that's what you are. He almost forgot Also joining us as I just mentioned Chris Ashley hosted the SMR podcast Chris. Welcome back. Hey, thank you for having me back Hello everyone you And extra. Thank you again for being party yesterday show really appreciate it man. Oh my god Absolute pleasure. Thank you to your fans and to anybody else that caught a lesson and had kind words to say that was Unexpected we had no idea. We actually had to talk about you know Is this gonna be good for us to you know, cuz what's gonna happen and we're like, you know what? Let's go let up let a fly and date responses just been overwhelming. 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Let's start with a few tech things you should know Cisco CEO Chuck Robbins announced that Cisco live scheduled for Wednesday tomorrow will be postponed Robin said that quote people across the US in the world are dealing with so much pain frustration and anger We want to give you space this week to do what you need to do within your own organizations and communities Likewise Sony postponing the PlayStation 5 event that was supposed to happen Thursday June 4th The company's official account tweeted while we understand gamers worldwide are excited to see ps5 games We do not feel that right now is a time for celebration And for now we want to stand back and let more important voices be heard Sony didn't give details on a new date yet Also EA delayed the Madden NFL 21 event scheduled for Tuesday and Google delayed its Android 11 beta announcement New data from Gartner shows global sales of smartphones declined at 20.2 percent in the first quarter of 2020 this year Samsung smartphone sales fell 20 22.7 percent in Q1 However, the company kept the number one spot with 18.5 percent of market share while we recorded a decline of 27.3 percent year over year to 42.5 million units However, still kept its number two position with 14.2 percent market share Apple's iPhone sales Declined 8.2 percent to 41 million units and Oppo's smartphone sales fell 19.1 percent However strong sales of Xiaomi's Redmi devices actually led the company to a gain in Q1 over 2019 the only top five company to do so Amazon now lets you use the drop-in feature on all your Amazon capable devices at once You could already use the drop-in feature to send your voice to say the echo in the bathroom or the echo show in the kitchen But now you can say drop in everywhere and it'll send your voice to all devices Kind of like a whole house intercom reminders also can be set up for all devices at once unless you're like me and you use Amazon's assistant on a sonos device in which case you can't do any of these things HP released a new version of Omen a 15 gaming laptop with a 15.6 inch screen on a 180-degree hinge HP hopes people will pick it up for more uses than just gaming It's for lots of things you can choose AMD Ryzen 7h series or Intel Core i7 h series processors and up to the Nvidia GeForce RTX 2070 Supermax Q GPU specs range up to 32 gigabytes of RAM 1 terabyte PCIe drive and an OLED panel up to 300 Hertz full HD or 120 Hertz for ultra HD Omen 15 is available on June 2nd That's today starting at $999 HP also announced the 16 inch pavilion gaming 16 in June starting at $799 the company also announced its first 2.1 channel speaker system a wireless gaming headset new mice and a 24-inch gaming monitor Anyone tempted to buy an HP? Kinda for those prices I need a new computer and now I'm like oh wait a minute That Ryzen Is a beast and that a video yeah, yeah They're nice looking specs and and they're they're not as they're toned down a little bit in their look as well They they've they've been they've they've tried to sleek it up and make a little so you could use your gaming laptop in a business Situation and not have it look so out of place All right, let's talk a little more about that pixel update Google announced new fixture fixed features for its pixel line of Android phones adaptive battery Does a job of predicting when your battery is going to run out and give you a little bit of warning ahead of time You can now start recordings with Google Assistant and even get automatic transcripts But some of the beefier features are personal safety check which lets you set a time to check in Let's say you're out for a walk Maybe you're in an unfamiliar area or at a time of night that you're just a little unsure about Or maybe you're just out at the clubs whatever at that time a prompt asks if you're okay The time you set and if you are you can immediately dismiss it or you can choose to start sharing with emergency Contacts or contact 911 if you don't do anything It will automatically share your location with emergency contacts. It will not automatically contact 911 to prevent Accidental calls and there's also a new bedtime mode in the clock app that lets you fall asleep to calming sounds It limits your interruptions and will log your activity for you If you're on your phone after bedtime, it'll tell you like yeah, you told us bedtime was 11 o'clock You were working on Twitter and Instagram and tick-tock this long after 11 o'clock Google rolled out bedtime tools in Android itself last month But today's new bedtime tab in the clock app is exclusive to Pixel phones now and coming to all Android devices later this summer I Gotta say the personal safety check makes perfect sense Although and you mentioned the clubs ha ha I mean one was the last time I was at a club in a while and probably will be again If ever but I can imagine a lot of people being like this is a really good idea And then they just sort of like Safely fall asleep and then their emergency contacts are like you might not be okay because you didn't say okay on your side of the Device so some of the stuff is I guess it remains to be seen how helpful it is versus sort of false positives of people getting scared But um, but it's it's it's better to have the option than to not have it at all Yeah, and I The more I think about the future the more I'd like to see it for you know kids and parents, right? It's a safety check kids out, you know party or whatever, you know teenagers and they don't check in and you know The phone starts doing its thing. I kind of like that feature actually Yeah, I I can't imagine I would use this at home much, but that's a that's a really good use for it I could see maybe using this traveling, you know My wife and I travel and sometimes one of us will go off to do something while the other goes in a different area Maybe this is a way for us to make sure that we don't get lost or anything like that To the bedtime thing. I'm not going to use though. I've got I fall asleep too early Yeah, don't eat it Facebook launched a tool what you might need called manage activity that lets users batch delete old posts You can search by date people tagged or content type and then choose to either delete entirely or archive the batch So only you can see them delete a post will be recoverable for 30 days If you happen to change your mind and you can choose to delete them before the 30 days as well If you're just like now, I'm sure I want them out of here manage activity is available to some app users now And we'll roll out over the next few weeks to others Yeah, so I'm more like just For kid for kids, right because kids are gonna post things that are silly all the times And you know once they start entering college in the job market and you know be able to go back and clean that stuff up Adults, I think you should be where you're shame You should be locked down locked down. Yeah, adults not allowed this if you're I'm sorry if you're over 18 You cannot use manage activity. I mean in general. I am a person who doesn't like to delete Photographs at all. I just like like if you're embarrassed by them or they're not working for some reason It's like yeah lock them down But in general like deleting history makes me uncomfortable Facebook is a great place for this like I can think of two use cases Immediately that people would be like, this is awesome if you're trying to get a job and all of a sudden there are maybe a collection of photos that you have that you know Not necessarily should go away forever, but need to be put under a padlock so that they're not immediately viewed or go through a breakup Some kind, you know, you we've all sort of seen that where it's like Oh that person just Disappeared from a other person's timeline like okay, you do what you got to do but this at least gives you a little bit more of Flexibility to maybe again just put that in a album somewhere that isn't associated with you to the outside world But doesn't necessarily just mean that you've deleted them or you've untagged that person entirely I hadn't even thought about that aspect ever because Facebook does the automatic like this is where you were 10 years ago Some people love but not only breakups, but you know friends or family pass away You might like being reminded you might not and because this has a filter you could say like you know I'd just archive those pictures for a while. Maybe I'll bring them back later. Yeah. Yeah And years ago. I did this on flicker. I had so I was such a like a deep flicker user I still am to some extent but back in the day it was more so and After some time went by I was like a lot of this stuff is just public when it shouldn't be and you know Even just kind of like photos that I took of a mountain like 40 times where I'm like just just the one picture Yeah, and I don't know how many people use Facebook in that way where it's like super heavy into photography But if you do then this is actually really helpful Yeah, my only question is it's gone for you if you want it to be but is it gone for Facebook as well? Yeah, only questions like, you know, can they dredge it back up later on this is even though you permanent delete it Yeah, yeah for ad targeting purposes. Certainly. Well and Facebook has had a history of of saying things are deleted And then people finding them available if you knew the url to look for they fixed that problem I would say this is not a good feature for forensic use if you're like I I really need to securely get rid of my past manage activity is Is possibly not going to do that this is this is really like for the use cases We're talking about where I don't want to be reminded or I just want to keep some things out of my timeline because you're right Chris They may not be gone from the server. Yeah AT&T confirmed to the verge that it's hbo max streaming service will not count against at&t mobiles traditional data caps or even those soft data caps you get on otherwise unlimited where they're like Well, it's unlimited But as soon as you hit this cap will slow you down won't count against those either competing services like netflix and disney bus do Because they haven't paid at&t a verge source says hbo max is using at&t sponsored data system Which technically lets a company pay to excuse its services from data caps, which would mean internally at at&t Warner media records an expense from its bottom line. It has to pay the other division at&t mobile at&t mobile records revenue But as far as at&t's overall bottom line a little wash, right? Yeah And I think sometimes it's easy to dismiss that I've been in the case where I was working in a department that had to charge Had to had to charge pay another division and it sucks to be in the department has to pay because that does come out of your budget But again, overall, it's not going to hurt the profitability of at&t. Is it? Here's the thing when the verge investigated back in february 2018 only at&t's own Direct tv uverse and fullscreen Used its sponsored data service at&t itself on its site only lists a partner named aquato As a user of its sponsored data page aquato is a marketing company that gives customers more data to use In exchange for viewing ads you you engage with the marketing and then they give you data credits Uh, it the the idea with this kind of zero rating Is that it's either just given like t-mobile does to partners for no charge or it's a charge service like at&t has Uh, and and the idea would be like anybody's free to buy it. So we're not We're not preferring our own service here. It's just no one else has bought it Is that ring true with you chris? You know The more I hear it and the more I reread it the sicker and sicker I get over this because the reality is You know, this is just nonsense Because clearly if netflix paid for this they're going to pass the charge on to us Which is the whole purpose of having a net neutrality in the first place So, you know, they can say yeah, we've got this loophole where you can buy the service But the reality is they don't expect anybody to buy it and it and the biggest problem as the article points out It's not even illegal because we don't have net neutrality anymore Thanks Hi, you said his name I was I was hoping you wouldn't have to do that to yourself. Uh, but you know Well, I mean that's it's a funny thing because For years we've been talking about like are there aren't they, uh, you know, when it when it Comes to lots of you know, large companies that are that are running a lot of people's internet and broadband services and television services and you know, sometimes all all three and Back, you know, just a few short years ago It'd be like well, this is an outrage and now it's kind of like, huh So this is happening pretty sucky of AT&T, but like they're allowed to it's not illegal So what are we going to do about it to be clear? They would have been allowed to under the open internet guidelines open internet guidelines allowed zero rating for mobile As long as you made it available to others. So by the letter of the law, they Eat new net net neutrality was still around. Uh, they would have been fine the way it was written I I think the biggest thing that I would like to see AT&T do here is make it transparent how much this costs now I know that that's a competitive disadvantage and there's reasons why you want to do that But but tell me who's using it Tell me how much it costs because if if it costs A lot to the point where no one would possibly use this unless they were inside the company knowing like Well, they'll increase my budget by that much later to make up for it So it's all cool, right because there's tricks you can do like that Uh, it it because that would be getting around the idea of even the old rule, which was if you're not Preferring your own services. It's okay And it does appear like AT&T is preferring its own services But AT&T gets to say they're not because they have a plan that anybody can call them and ask them about if they want You see the problem with this too is like super confusing, right because you know, it's like it's legal It's not illegal. Well, there's a loophole that allows people to get through it And I think the whole net neutrality thing Has gone through because it's somewhat confusing for Majority of people like the people that understood it complained about it But others, you know, just don't care. They don't realize how it affects them And you know, and when we take on issues like this, we got to Be better about simplifying it so that people understand why they're getting screwed And my big thing is we we need to stop changing the rules every time we change the party in control We need to have consistent rules across administrations. Yeah That'd be nice Roku has added a program guide grid This might be good news for some of you Roku folks to its Roku channel app Which shows what streaming at the moment With 130 viewing options the options include several live news streams Similar to how zoom or maybe Pluto TV work if you're familiar with either of those The Roku channel also offers on-demand programming some free with ads as well Some premium offerings with stars bet plus acorn tv and others Yeah, so it's it's kind of weird if you haven't used the Roku channel It's it's a bunch of on-demand stuff that's free. It streams with ads. It's very similar to imdb tv or Fubo was it fubo no to be to be there's so similar in their names But they they just stream stuff for free and they they play ads for you But then they also do what apple tv does or amazon does where they let you add on paid channels And that's the stars bet plus acorn tv stuff so I like this idea that they've put in a grid and it's kind of cool that they're they're integrating more of a Pluto tv Type field to this along with that on-demand library Especially right now when people want to watch news If you're kind of flailing around if you don't have a youtube tv or a hulu live tv or something like that This might be a way to find an abc news livestream something like that Yeah, I love anything that helps people cut the cord because I did it years ago and the fact that I still see updates And I still see people saying I just cut the cord, you know on facebook or whatever It really just shows me like yeah, we we might have been early So anything any service that can be done that can make The process easier for folks and make content easier for people to find because that's one of the hardest things You have to do right you have to figure out. Here's what I watch. How do I get it when I cut the cord? So anything that makes that process easier for people i'm all for This is good for roku's business too because uh, their business is less about selling boxes and more about Selling services and advertisements and the more people they can get to use the roku channel The more of that they can get they can rake in a little bit of that stars money They can rake in a little bit of that advertising money Maybe they can finally come to an agreement with hbomax and get an hbomax app on there. We'll see So, yeah, it's uh, it's interesting To see the development of roku and the evolution of roku as it goes Samsung launched the access phone subscription program in the united states the program bundles in a new galaxy s20 or an s20 plus or an s20 ultra with samsung premium care One terabyte of one drive cloud storage and microsoft 365 personal services Users can upgrade devices after nine months for free or earlier for a one-time $100 fee for cancelling access within the first three months. So in other words, you can upgrade every nine months You got to keep it for at least three months or you got to pay these fees access pricing varies by device 37 dollars per month for the galaxy s20 42 dollars a month for the s20 plus 48 dollars a month for the s20 ultra I'm looking at this and it's easy to kind of just dismiss it but just One drive is nine dollars a month office 365 personal is like I think 65 bucks A year or something like that Just those two alone Really make make this kind of compelling and then if you're you know I don't do it as much anymore. But if you're still on the I gotta have the new hotness Every, you know every year I think it's a no-brainer. Yeah. Yeah, I mean this it's it's sort of like I was at first I was like, oh, it's like creative cloud and what I've gotten used to it Like I pay in perpetuity, you know for all the cool all the cool software that I want or my car lease Where it's like, all right. Well, I get to upgrade Fairly often because I can't commit but also I, you know, don't have to pay as much up front type thing This is this is a great service again Like like you mentioned chris for if you want some of that like the cloud storage the software portion of this then the oh and I get a new device That shiny and cool more often because that's part of what I'm paying for is it is very compelling Yeah Office, I mean word excel access Man, just just those three is good enough I mean shoot the terabyte of of storage alone You know along with the phone don't forget you're getting the phone right like you're getting a top end phone It's only for the s20s right now But yeah, this is this is a pretty compelling thing if you live in these ecosystems and that's really what the game is Right now is something like this says let's get you into the galaxy ecosystem Let's get you into the one drive ecosystem and then you'll want to stay there You won't want to leave for iphone or pixel or dropbox Or any of that and and that's that's the game all these companies are playing Yeah, and more importantly, it's the business model that everybody's trying to get into right the software as a service you know and You know microsoft does it with xbox and you know, you can do the games Where you get you can download certain certain games that they have available everybody's trying to find their niche around this and you know, it's kind of smart for them to work together to Bundle additional services that they may not be able to offer On their own so that part is smart as well and you know, microsoft wants to get those numbers up For people using office 365. So it's smart for them to bundle or allow people to bundle their services in Uh, so this is you know, it's just smart all the way around samsung as a service Ha taken Well speaking of samsung samsung's 43 inch 4k q led at saro tv If you forget which one that is we talked about it at ces It's the one that rotates between landscape and portrait modes. Maybe you want to watch some tiktok videos for a while Well, you can do that then go back to landscape mode It's now on sale in the us for two thousand dollars and in the uk for 1600 pounds The saro was available in korea up until now, but it's been available there If you have a compatible phone like samsung's own galaxy phone You can tap it against the tv's frame to launch a screen mirroring and the tv will automatically rotate Because it understands that you want to match your phone's orientation. So that's kind of fun But if you don't have that or you just want to do it other ways You can also use remote or voice commands or the smart things app to manually rotate the tv airplay too also supported So if you like the form factor of this You might be you might be into it. I actually have a friend who For whatever reason he's like don't want to uh mount a tv on my wall Never liked that idea love the idea of being able to put wheels on this but you can Didn't doesn't mind that in landscape mode You've kind of got this kind of chalkboard type of thing that is going on that you're going to see when you're not in portrait and You know the only thing that would hold anybody back really if you like this again because it does give you some options is It's somewhat of an unproven model, but you know, it's the price It's you know, do you want to spend two thousand dollars on a 43 inch tv because for a lot of people it's like 43 inches isn't that big Yeah, that's a super detractor for me. Is that two grand? I mean, I wouldn't even get this anyway because and I and I want to be clear I actually enjoy the ability to cast my phone screen Up to the tv because quite often when i'm working out in my home gym And like somebody sends me a video and i've got my brother or my training partner with me in there I'm like, oh you got to see this and i'll send it up to the tv through apple tv Yeah, super handy and we'll get a laugh out of it and then we'll go back to working out or whatever So I love that feature. So i'm not poo pooing the ability to do that But i've never had a video where i was like, man, I wish I could cast this and then rotate it And then oh the tv to rotate it for two grand No, i'm not down with that at all. That is crazy Although you mentioned working out and it's like listen, i'm a little late to the tiktok game But I I now I you know, I'm waving the white flag tiktok is super addictive It just took me a while to like understand that if I was working out specifically Some other reason where i'm like, you know, I can just sort of like have stuff on there for an hour That would be a great time to have portrait mode on my television Which I mean none of my tv's do that unless you want the black bars It's kind of a good side effect right not a thing you would Seek out and be like this is my reason for getting a tv. I hope not Strike me down if I ever like I need to watch tiktok video I need to get that portrait tv Uh, but yeah, I don't I don't know it's it's I'll be interested to see who gets this and and and how it works And if we see a lot more of these kinds of tv's that you know are swivelable Everybody oh go ahead. Sorry just real quick The only thing I feel like they try to drop the ball on is you have to tap the screen to get it to rotate If that was well, no, you can do it with voice and remote. Oh, yeah That's just like a cool feature where if you've got the right phone, then they talk to each other I thought you had to tell us like oh Yeah, that would never just go to extra mile a little bit if you can just do it on its own I'm worried about the hinge where I go. That's like when when is that thing stop? Could you imagine six months later? It's stuck in the diagonal. Well, that's why I'm like I was saying to my friend I'm like buy it and then tell me how it goes because I'm not doing it Yeah I notice everybody in our chat room is like this is perfect for quibi because quibi has that thing on your phone where you can Turn it either way except quibi just got the ability to cast to airplay But only in landscape. 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