 What up? What up? What up? I'm brain man Sean and I'm Corey and we are back with no labels necessary Podcast episode number 43 you can catch us every Tuesday every Thursday dropping full episodes on YouTube Spotify Apple music wherever you stream your podcast Chopping it up about music making money making content because that's what we do y'all. That's what we do now The topic that we're starting with today All right What if these social media platforms no longer existed? What would you do? because a lot of people say Man, I shouldn't get on that platform If it didn't because it's probably not gonna be around for that long. We know tick tock is about to get banned Well, we have a clip by a guy by the name of Abu Fofana I don't know what he does honestly, but I love this clip. So y'all can check him out, but listen to this clip I don't think it's gonna happen quick enough, right? So let's say it happens 10 years from now But in 10 years you make 30 million from these platforms. You've got 30 million You always tell me that all the time who 90% of your business driven through ads. Well, you know, I'd have a few million dollars So That right there Again, people always ask us Hey, if they talk about to be banned, should I even start? All right This platform is it gonna work or that thing isn't gonna be around for long enough Take advantage of the moment. Yeah, you don't know anything about any of these platforms how long they'll be around, right? Yeah, and that's the thing. I think everybody wants to be stuck in predictor stage And not want to take any action at all without it being the right action I want to be right about whether it's you too. I want to be right whether it's tick tock or whatever What's the long game because I don't want to waste any energy, but honestly You can't win like that. That's an entitled way to go about things Like, you know, the people who say, oh, yeah, I work hard I just have to be working on the right thing. I don't want to work hard on the wrong thing A conditional hard worker a conditional hard worker. I love that them conditional hard workers out there Look, I get the theory. I don't want to work hard on some shit that doesn't have a lasting value either right but The way this thing really works reality is We never know so you're gonna have to be able to do that work anyway And if anything you build the muscle perfect example Gary v always talks about how he was popping on youtube a little bit back in like probably like 2008 just early youtube days All right And then he left To be on some platform. I think he said it was like bid iq or vidler hitler. I think he's called right Because he was investing in it which makes sense. So I want to be on here and go hard on here And then it failed So he lost his youtube file and interaction. However He was going hard He already had that muscle. We already know what Gary v is doing today going crazy and all these platforms Right. So yes, you might have a detour but as long as you build the muscle You're always going to be able to get back to whatever you need to get back to Yeah, and like in the end results are things that translate whether or not the platform dies, right? So like he he brought the point of you know, um not need to add to do certain things But we have these other structures built if you Grow your email list with a dying platform. The email list is still viable, right? You was still able to milk whatever benefits you could get from it really good examples are like all those like biners I'm saying who today have active youtube channels and tiktok or keffs and things The platform they built their audience on no longer exists But those people are real people that's still out in the world use another platforms on a day jump ship They're able to find these people a lot more easier, right? And so what I say to a binder like hey like all that shit you did in 2013 was a complete waste of your time The platform doesn't exist. I know it's like look at the audience that is giving you to be able to flip Long beyond you know saying that the lifespan of the actual platform So that's how I look at it like You know like you said there you're very rarely going to have enough information on if you really Know if a platform is going to be here or not. It's all speculative But like I said if you're doing the actions to produce like Real results from it, you know the the hard tangible stuff the emails the phone numbers that the brand awareness into the right audience And shit really don't matter man. You just ride the trains as they come You know what I'm saying like just hopping off when this is done and I mean waiting for the next one and rest of the feet Facts because look like he said Hey, I made two million dollars in that time. Yeah, exactly. I made 30 million dollars in that time It's not that you don't want to pay attention to doing something sustainable and Mitigate their risk. We're not saying that at all. Right. So yeah, that's like even you talking about will still take a phone numbers emails and things like that to help create insurance But the ideal position Especially is when you get yourself In a position where you have your main business you have your consistent systems But then on top of that you can ride each wave that comes All right, so you can maximize because those are going to be moments that come think about people who are making masks They were already doing their thing in the mass making making business, but shit the pandemic came Running up the numbers now I'm sure the numbers aren't as high as they were They probably still higher than they were pre-vandemic in terms of needing needs from ads So now they already had the systems. They rolled the wave They got the extra money, but then they just returned to business as usual Same for what hand sanitizer stuff like that Everybody started making hand sanitizer out of nowhere Even the mask bro. I had never seen a stylish face mask until the no the pandemic hit exactly Exactly. They're still out here, which I don't random thought because we never like had to like talk about any of these Related topic before I wonder if we're gonna get like that strike that people that's why I hesitate I was like, but I couldn't think of a better word to say Let's just leave a pandemic though. We won't go to those other related words Call start calling it David But for real though like that I think that's something that people overthink Right, and that's what keeps you from taking action There's already a lot of different things to think about the creative the format, etc um the song the production If you overthink trying a platform It's to your detriment. I just just try it go hard at it If anything you still got content as you can put in other platforms Let's say if tiktok took a um, you know, stop popping. Well a look at least You can move that content do compilations with it on youtube, right? You can put it on rails There's other places you can put that content on And you still built the muscle of being able to do it while there's somebody else who didn't start at all So when a moment comes they can't take advantage of it because they don't have a muscle down there like oh Here's the right wave and you never are going to know so Yeah, what what if platforms social platforms never exist? Yes, they're gonna ebb and flow. We've seen it happen before we haven't seen a big fall of a social platform in a while though Yeah, man. Yeah, vine might have been the last big one. We like wise fall. Yeah that was the last big one that I can think of but Something like that's going to happen again And that's a part of entrepreneurship Yeah, all right, and we know artists try to separate themselves from that word a lot of times or try to take on that title without Then taking on the realities of what that title means All right, but all of us in music especially Naturally have to be Entrepreneurs because of the trending culture that we are in. Yeah, that's it. Come and go come and go So bump platforms in general the cultural Moments that happen over and over again. You look at drake. He's always done that perfectly He built the drake audience the sustainable system of drake audience and drake voice And then we always talk about how he hops on trends He uses it to get extra visibility, but he's still in the same core drake. It's the same concept that we're talking about So, oh, yeah, what if afro beats isn't trending forever? What if uh, I don't know Well, what would we call that trend? You know when drum made that sound Like um, I meant made cha-cha and then uh drake made Columbar how I blame Yeah, if a mess music if he would buy I don't know. They were trying to make it seem like that was going to be a sound direction for a second. Yeah, right Whatever this is like you never know But as long as you win, there's people from the disco era that our legends disco era really only lasted like Look it up like a couple years, bro. That was crazy. It's crazy that he came and left that Let me see. Yeah, but it left such a big impact Exactly and people made money shoot How long did disco last 70s disco was born valentine's day? Nah, that sounds wild. I don't want to believe that. That's too specific It was born on valentine's day in nice few seven And bitter and it rapidly faded in 1980 So they want to say it's a decade and the meeting day peaked and and died If you would just start hating on it, that's what it sounded like almost It was predominantly white heterosexual urban and suburban middle class But it didn't begin that way That's what peaked Yeah, that sounds like a whole another topic hit mainstream. That's what I'm saying. Stop being niche People wanted to get off the bandwagon. Yeah, that is interesting. Fun fact about this disco. I don't know That doesn't sound wild to be that specific valentine's day of 1970 I want to go find that artist's story, but that's a different podcast So Yeah, we can actually move on from that one. I got a whole other set of thoughts Well, I want to go down there right though. 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That's the big one Instagram Instagram wants to stop paying content creators Is that a surprise? And by the way technically it's meta meta. It's hard for me to say that whole meta thing Yeah, I'm not for it. But meta isn't paying influencers for reels any more Mark mark zuckerberg's company has put a lot of emphasis on short form videos Giving creators thousands of dollars for bounties on reels view counts No more We're not paying y'all for posting on our platform and getting views Corey what you think about it? It's terrible man. It's terrible because one just personally man I was you know prepared to to ramp my instagram up for the the extra bad, you know nothing crazy, but you know Tell them how much we get man How much I was there? Yeah Like low end so the most I've ever made from it was like 1200 low end. I get like 400 or 500 In the month time? Yeah, because mine capped which is what's crazy about this because I actually want to get in that Mine capped at 1200 a month. It used to capped at like 1800 a month or maybe 15 18 and then they lowered it is to be like 1500 per every like 1.2 million views One that they lowered it to 1200 per and I'm like, oh, that's whatever. You know, since like $300 I wouldn't go on hard enough to be hitting that consistently. Anyway, I've been posting like crazy on on instagram But then I learned through this that there were some creators that instagram was making back-end deals and they was making like 30k a month 50k a month, you know, I'm saying a couple thousand So now just like damn, I wasn't pushing it hard enough I'm sad to break that barrier, but I was getting ready to you know what I'm saying Thanks for this podcast and things like that like the content was there for me to wrap it up, you know And and then we can so The other thing that kind of Hurt with us personally Is, you know, this was just like two months ago when we talked about reworking one of our marketing strategies to include Content pay, you know what I'm saying as a as a return on investment That's like a third of the equation going right there. You know what I'm saying? Like Hey, man, look, we all get hit with that Like we are the same boat of y'all as y'all when it comes to this because when youtube Got stricter back in january We literally saw the money we were making off of youtube videos cutting half like literally cutting half I heard people say stuff like oh, I'm money I couldn't have When you're actually there, you see it you cut in half for real to her I was okay, dang He went out when I got cut a half But he was doing crazy numbers ours will probably get cut maybe 20% 30, you know But that's that's a banger, but at least you to At least you two came with like an excuse Not even just excuse like banners, right? Like, hey, hey, Sean We're about to cut this shit 50% but hey, we're gonna give you more robust analytics. You don't give them We're gonna give you uh youtube shorts traffic We're gonna give you the the the subscription buttons and shit youtube came with peace offerings Instagram just came with an announcement There was no significant Life of a quality of life changes that came with it. There was like, no Hey, we're not giving you money over here, but you can come make money over here Like none of that, bro. This was like, hey, we ain't paying you on the war Fuck you gonna go we about to get tiktok out of here because I don't know if everybody knows this But meta is the biggest lobby right now to get tiktok out of here. They putting the money They putting the resources they talking to politicians. They are using they they throwing all their weight around man and That to me is why I think it's a bad move. I feel like it's a bad move To be like, hey everybody, let's gang up on this platform That is trying to pay you While we simultaneously tell you we're not about to pay you like that feels like a move They should have pulled after they they won over public support, you know Because now the creator is gonna be like, no, fuck y'all. I'm going tiktok still paying me and the very least if y'all shut down tiktok Then we are just going to youtube You know what I'm saying? Like So I just feel like it was a bad movement They could have they could have pulled this trigger a lot later, you know, maybe like You know, maybe like March April, you know what I'm saying? Like but but it's still there Like I looked at my analytics and I still have the ability to get my bonuses for this month So actually, you know, I'm about to go hard with the rest of this march You know get the last little bit that I can because I'm assuming like next month is gonna be gone completely, you know I'm assuming sometimes between next month and like top of june is out here. See I got different thoughts about this Because so this Milan Chord destiny person said in the comments imagine if Spotify said they stopped paying artists for their music If youtube stopped paying creators for their videos, what else did they say? It's a little bit more Oh nothing else. Oh meta profit and off of creators without micro payments is beyond exploitative See, that's the other thing man. Like the the move feels It makes metal feel behind the times like that person at this point, you know, like micro content payments were like innovative like Like that's three years ago. Now. It's almost like there's a precedent We already know that y'all are used to doing this and y'all will do this without payment So why would we not go back to that? That makes it easier for it But sometimes as a consumer, it's like but I haven't had to think of what I consume as a creator It's like I haven't even had to think about that for the last two three years. So now that's a precedent on the other side, you know This is what I think about this man Let me Let's look up this news about the fund that they had instagram starts paying content creators Just google this All right With monetization products, you will be paid once you earned at least 25 dollars for charities. No No, how to make money. See it's older news now Oh, it's these starts. Let's call it a creator fund And find the news instagram offers creators up to 35 thousand dollars Facebook and instagram launches one billion dollar creative fund This one more this Is what I think people are missing You think the fund is up? Exactly. It's a one billion dollar fund It's not a new initiative to be ongoing in the future. The funds are gone We gave y'all this money so we could incentivize y'all to do what we wanted y'all to do Now that y'all have done it y'all have been crazy on reels and y'all seem to be hooked on reels We can back off because the money's gone. Anyway, we did what we promised And now we're moving on like the uh centers from jackson state Because I I served the purpose that I stated that I was gonna serve And how are y'all to the next that's what I think and you look at all these Communications when these things come out tick tock a pull the same thing everybody says fund Most of these people are talking about funds. So there's an end date Or an end amount. Yeah That far I think Like whether you want to say that was strategic in the front end or they just happen to be done Is what I feel like people are missing. So maybe some people just got hooked for the long term Having long term expectations when maybe they weren't as merited. They got sold and dreamed I don't like again jackson state. The centers people kind of felt like we have this for ourselves for a long term And it wasn't a long term relationship. You got a little bit too excited. All right, so Here I think they the fund is up one The mission is complete two in terms of a yeah, people are hooked on reels like people are Are using it. So what else what else do we need to do? They're probably going to try to fund at some point some other type of initiative as well But they had to at this point too remember because tick tock was killing them Yeah, we had to get people up on on our stuff. So There's that there's that and with that being said And does it does it suck? Yeah but It's weird because you had to opt into it in a way that wasn't or get it Like even I still feel the same way about tick tock I don't think short form short form content monetization really makes a lot of sense yet And I haven't seen all the data and I'm not talking about for the content creator But I feel like even just from the companies and like the entire system as a whole I think it's not quite figured out probably yet economically where it just makes sense the long form and youtube Seems like they've kind of like mapped that out and facebook. I think they're still paying for um What is it? Is it is a faithful tv? What is it called? I haven't heard about it Manic Is it that long form thing? Yeah, we're um Steve Harvey show and jada pink is red to tabletop whatever that says But they're selective about who can be a part of that right So I think because of tv and all these other formats that have existed before long form Uh like monetization and advertising makes a lot of sense that there's more precedent And I don't seem like anybody really gets it with with tiktok Because even the people I know who have been doing it on tiktok in the fun They're like, eh, it's not crazy. Yeah, it's not crazy A lot of people are opting out after they get in because it's not worth it So that's another thing. So I don't want to be all evil on on facebook from stopping it I think it's just something that's not figured out yet And I'll give them a little bit of grace because not kind of thinking about a lot You remember like a week ago I showed you that they are now testing out like ads in between posts on people's feet You remember like you go like you go to somebody's and you're gonna throw them out and you scroll Do their content eventually an ad is going to come up, which is crazy So I'm assuming that's still going to be their way to like pay you for like, you know Ad share for like views on your content technically, right? Like now your content fee acts as like a like an advertising fee They wrote out the subscription thing a couple months ago And um, they removed the shopping tab on the explore page Which I was telling you about yesterday, but I did a bit more research on it And they took it out the explore page But now there's some accounts where you have like a shop at the top of your your Profile like you know right where your edit profile and like no contact and should be there's a shop button now on so I'm like, okay What I think is happening is that Instagram like all the other platforms are trying to figure out how can we not pay you money And how can we just get your audience to pay you money? So you don't care that we're not paying you money, right? And so I think they were looking like hey, man No one's really trying to figure out how to use subscription Or the shop because all you motherfuckers are just running for the real bonus You know what I'm saying because the real bonus is the low-hanging fruit, bro I got this content. I was making anyway. Like I said, I was prepared to run another man We got this podcast You know what I'm saying me and Sean knocking out four or five hours of content a week because of this year That's easy, bro. This is about the easiest $1,500 a month. I don't everybody But there's no incentive for me to go really figure out subscriptions and shop because that should work and it's not like, you know, it's not It's not there aren't too many templates out there right now to follow So I also think this might be instagram's way of saying like hey, man Y'all ain't moving fast enough on figuring that out and making money off of Your audience y'all still waiting on us to pay you and we don't like that. So let's just yank this shit off You know, man, you ain't got no choice either. Hey, you come to instagram and you post for free Like I said, I think they probably will start paying at revenue because of the azim between your posts But you know, it's probably not gonna be nothing crazy. So Um, so as I had you can come, you know, saying do shit for either for free You know, or you figure out these other features that would give you and you make your money back that way and actually none of that said out loud the pain for views through the fee Is also like I think less acceptable to like botting and shit You can like bought a reel and get it to a million views, but it's hard to fake like profile engagement. You know what I'm saying? Um, it's a very hard to play. It's a very hard thing to face. So I'm on their side. They're probably like hey even the Money we pay out is is gonna be a lot more at least organically based You know, you know, you can only finesse us so much here, you know versus like on the reels Like, you know, you got your You know your algal boosting hacks and shit if you can do that Hey, we was only planning to give you a hundred dollars for that video You don't make that shit go viral and then we owe you five bands, you know what I'm saying? Like so it's crazy for them. So that's what I think is happening is they're Forcing us as creators to figure out the other features a lot faster than any of us probably thought we would have to because I had no intention To figure out the subscription bang, you know what I'm saying? I it wasn't I was like, no Why would I do that? I got reels like just posted shit. I'm already posting, you know before we even move on the next topic What do you think about subscriptions? I think that they're not clearly defund I personally have not come across a creator yet That has made me feel like paying for subscriptions on their platform and I've found some pretty cool Creators from all different types of niches and industries and I remember I did a live one day And I had maybe like 20 30 people in the live and I asked them Like hey, do any of y'all like subscribe to people on instagram and all of them said no No, no, there was not one person in there who was subscribed or someone said no If y'all subscribe the people who are watching on youtube to anybody on Instagram, please put it in the comments and also say who it is and why Yeah, we're wild because I didn't know because yeah, I've been and like I've I made some like test offers to see how people would know respond to it But it was more the response of oh, you know subscriptions now. I know I bought or anything, you know And I haven't seen Good examples of it yet and I think that's a large part of the reason of why so many creators aren't using like We don't know who to look at to figure out where to start moving there You know saying it's like do we look at the way? Suscriptions work on patreon and use that model, but it's like instagram is different It's not like everybody is here like patreon is different because you go to patreon with the mentality of like Hey, I might have to get this person money. You don't go to anyone's instagram account with that mentality You know saying so I think it's different there. Um, I like I think it's damn trying to compete with youtube But even youtube feels a lot more natural because it's like they put it on the bottom of the content How you like this shit go buy a super subscription or whatever it's called right versus like instagram is kind of like there You know saying oh don't know all of that makes sense But I don't feel like they are doing a good job at Publicizing get to regular consumers to make it look like something they should be doing and they're putting the pressure on Creators to figure out how to make it attractive I'd agree with that There's no culture for youtube There's a culture if you're on there enough you know that there's a lot of people who have subscribers There's a lot of people who tip nort regularly if they're doing streams and things like that So there's some type of feedback culture there instagram. There is no on platform um Like regular engagement transactional relationship That's you go out a lot and most credit is like they're not they're not like live streaming Who's doing that regularly on this i'm saying like you that type of person you go on twitch or youtube Like you are the person that could live stream for five hours that you're not doing on instagram You go on twitch or youtube because even like the badge thing on lives is like Cool, like I get you know pretty sure all of you that donate whenever I do lives, you know it helps um But if I was seriously trying to do it I wouldn't go to instagram I would definitely go twitch of youtube because I know like I said the payout is going to be much bigger on Both of them over probably over the same amount of effort You know um, especially assuming since we already have an audience it's not like it'd be crazy like ground zero build up And so yeah, that's how I say like I don't think they're doing enough To incentivize creators to want to use it or to influence consumers to want to use it the same way other platforms like when tiktok Introduced that whole like sticker Donation shit for their credit, but that shit was everywhere like it was all over the home page Support your new favorite creators with blah blah blah blah and send them a fun Donut or some shit to let them know you like them when youtube did it A road that shot it had how two videos all over youtube or how to use it and donate to that Like it was pushing it hard like making sure like hey, not only do you as are you as creators? um You know needs to be using this but had you as consumers should also be looking to use these things and use to support their credit instagram hasn't really done that. You know, um, and then like I said that not building a like the culture of Donation has never really been there. It's gotten better over the last two years, but like I don't Still think I still don't think people have a donation mindset with that instagram Like that kind of turns on when you on youtube it kind of turns on when you on Tiktok is really on when you on twitch because that's the whole thing But like instagram hasn't done great the greatest ability donation culture. You know what I'm saying? Do you have a lot of? Relationship with your instagram audience. Yeah, my instagram always fucked me. Do you have people On instagram that you feel like you have a deep relationship with from a fan standpoint Yeah Yeah, I got some OG some day one Okay, the reason i'm asking Is because we know youtube has A deeper relationship in general when you're watching videos content Like once you're giving people's content like you can really opt in to just watching them for a period of time There's a longer form content where instagram can be privy to just more of a casual scroll Yeah, right and you're always like fighting other types of content Tiktok's kind of like death as well. Yeah, I think that's why There's a difficulty in like subscribing Because if I just go on to your world on it's hard for me to go into your world last year I might opt in and watch live and like continue to see your posts and like fuck with you in that way but Now I get distracted if I just like say I just want to watch corey shit You know it's easier to do that on the the longer form platforms. I feel like that's partially something to do with it. Um But you know, we'd have to Continue to experiment and see how stuff will go. They're trying to turn this into only fans craze Bro, that's what they're trying to do right now. See people already got places basis for that. I'm saying man Yeah Yeah Yeah, they they they they had an opportunity to do that early on they should have taken that early on when uh, what's his name started Patreon started or like it was more natural for people to do that kind of stuff through instagram and youtube, but they all kind of like looked at that and YouTube was just pretty good though and figured out a way to get in When they fit in it's crazy. They can be early or late. There's something they figure out I make stuff work at a higher rate than most other platforms. Yeah. Yeah YouTube's goal for that but Transition into another topic. I think it's highly interesting King Glock says he stopped asking for features after he offered an artist one million dollars And that no response. That's crazy. That's a while A million dollar dub a million dollar dub We all We're gonna speculate on the who that might be but Let's listen to the clever talking about it. The man He gave me about you gave me two people. I was like, all right. There's one other person I know for sure He's gonna he's gonna go through the roof just because of who he is in his fan base and The machine he got behind him. So I'm like, don't you ask why I was like, uh By the way, this is him saying the song that I blew up with For already had a hell of traction. This isn't just randomly asking for a future This is a song already became relevant in its niche. Yeah, you know, so it's not just like all the music's trash And I'm I'm offering you a lot of money. This is a bona fide opportunity even for the artist itself kindly Yeah, yeah, right This could go for both of us could go and be a good look for both of us Especially when you have a million in your pocket me said, all right, don't just ask him. I was like, let's offer him some so I offer I offered him a million dollar literally A million dollar A million dollars before I even physically had it all I was going Hey, I'm taking this whole me just gonna give it to him because you knew what it you knew what it was worth exactly but After so long like I said, I don't I don't know the reason why like They never said no or never said they didn't want to do my first All right Offer the artist a one million dollars The artist never even gave energy back never even responded. Who do you think? That could have been Do you ever say which song it was? It was a song that blew him up. I can't remember what song that was but he made it seem like and I don't know It might have been the first song that buzzed him. It might not have been the one that blew him blew him up So I wish I knew actually but you know it was an early on song Yeah, okay, so because my first guess was going to be Little baby, but I think Keyglock and little baby might have been Starting to buzz around the same time. Maybe I don't really I don't have to remember my next guess is future Your next guess is future the only reason I think futures because I remember this clip Meg the stallion Talking about she had to pay future like a quarter million for a future Or something like that. Yeah, so I know futures already within the realm of prices where and ours It doesn't know his price might think he would want that much. You know saying or cost that much So That in my next guess would be Drake Seeing I don't think it's Drake because It made it seem like The niche was right him was perfect And I think at some point he even said like it'd be good his fan base my fan base or my death Drake isn't really like he's a A steroid right he'll add some acceleration onto the track, but that's not his fan base isn't necessarily keylock. You know man So I wouldn't say that All right, Drake a little baby. He sees some people saying that Folks got to learn. Oh, let me let me take a moment to say this Someone in the comment section said folks got to learn how to not take rejection personally Now you stop asking other people just because one person didn't work out. Hmm Ah That next collab with somebody else might have the biggest impact But you'll never know because you let another artist action give you a head. That's what I'm saying. That's been They spin. You don't like that comment. You don't hit it with the heart I got you. I'm I'm I'm gonna give them a like Push a chord But at the same time I feel like a lot of times people just feel like someone's being emotional and Or are more worried about something than they are And he might not even be that deep for him. He might just be like, I'm just keep going out. It might not be so Tried and emotional. I don't know that should be because he ain't put no features on his album Man, he brags about it man. It's a part of his own. That's what I'm saying You take it and you flip it and now I'm flipping it. I'm using this. Why do I need to even worry about that? I like that I feel that man because ours would do that bro ours be like man like I don't know man that one dude scam me for like 50 dollars. I'll never work with another market again Okay, like what like what man? I held this one ours one time for a feature He said he was going to bed. It was nine o'clock. I ain't working with these niggas. No more ever again He's like, bro. What are you talking about? He got songs of dope They could look at family and all right, so He might just be like, I don't want to play the industry game I want to build the way I want to be there's no difference than artists. I don't want to have a label You're right, but I don't want to play the industry game And I'll only do stuff with people that I probably have a deeper relationship I'm not about to just go shopping throw money at people. I'm gonna focus on mine Yeah, and that's what I realized like most artists are exactly like that. Hey, if it organically happen If I happen to be at the studio one day and and future happens to walk past my session Man, this just sound far away and I hop and I hop on that's the only situation I take and it's like no, bro This is sometimes the sales And no, I'm glad you see there's no hard thing about sales It's sometimes you got a cold pitch yourself to the mother that don't care about you Glad you said because I was about to say a lot of artists are like I'm not a salesman. I'm gonna go back to this being creative thing because that's a different mode I don't want to be a salesman. That's exactly what that is when you don't have a relationship So what you're gonna do best is more so have an anr Put some stuff together like or a certain person where your team advantage who works on being bring it all that But you as the artist putting your energy into doing that a lot I don't even think that works. Anyway Long-term these are call it do it all right Would you are you trying to set it? Are you trying to build a setup out here using dj call it? Are you trying to put him in a lot of fire? I'm just saying man. He do it. You don't look at him They don't respect dj dj callus artist. I feel like Lil Wayne do it Lil Wayne do what I feel like Lil Wayne Tells the artist he wants to work with it. He's the one that likes them. I feel like he's doing that I don't think it's a team of people Because the way the other artists talk about Being blessed from the other side if you sound like he resolved them. Yeah Yeah, I feel like that's not selling That's giving that's blessing. I'm a little way and I'm like to bless you at this moment You can turn it down, but it's probably not what he turned out Yeah, yeah, it was like I think it was a night. I don't think it was young blue somebody turned out I think rye wave turned down a brick a drake. Oh, yeah. He did talk about it. Yeah Because it really didn't work But generally speaking If it works and it goes milfee we're gonna say yes, it could make that work Say hey toby film man. You got you are Me and that work where you got like 50 songs made probably more than that You don't fit on that. He's I don't believe that he was inspired by that Seven artists man. Y'all be killing me with these invisible obstacles in your head. You know what I'm saying? Sometime no problem with that I'ma guess many of the obstacles. I feel like You can have somebody on your team to do that though. Yeah, he's still gonna have somebody in place I don't want to say don't stop don't ever look for features again But because you gotta think his background he's more from the hustle background where they are the ones Who are the rappers mentality, right? So instead of me being the hustle to actually because a lot of artists never Would have made that I'll reach anyway. Yeah, that's right. So he like no, what I'm gonna go back to me in mine Pay attention to my block and then if something goes it's gonna go because I could win however I went and he had off So that's different Wayne again, you're out here blessing people. He's not asking people I could be some arguments made for that Because he trying he's shining to court. He's trying to be across pike has I'm a little way. No way Exactly, but you thank you above or no, you know, if you got a middle I might think about it Why you thank you above rejection? Wayne, I mean look the humility says yes, but the reality says Come on we know this up, but that's the thing like I said to your point if his Mind say is I will never reach out for a feature ever again. Yeah, I'm cool with that If the mind say is I will never do features try to do features ever again No, I'm not like because from like the only people that lose in that situation are the fans, bro Like I would love to hear like Like a like a key glock and Steve lacy song He probably reached out see like see like it's a little like a type of motherfucker They don't answer respond to emails. You know I thought that's that's off the table right there. I love to hear a key glock Do something with like Kanye. I love to hear Kanye drop some spiritual soul for song and then you know that surprise feature You never see coming on the song. They just be like, damn is that nigga? I love for that to be key But I would love for key glock to be the surprise feature on some shit But it sounds to me like that's not gonna happen because he don't want to do features no more and as a fan As a fan, I feel hurt. I feel personally attacked They don't think about that man. They don't think about the the the Collaborations that we as fans wish will happen and that means that we are not even a step closer to any of those happen Call it selfish Call it what you want, but that's how i'm looking at it Hey If I was an artist, I'd be like, yep I'm not thinking about y'all Not in this case All right, I think that's hard for me to imagine to be in future Unless a couple circumstances right because for one Future is giving the impression to me that he's about his money Like from a hustle perspective not like Oh, man, I'm super worried about this stuff being corny or like, oh, you got the bag All right, cool. I'll pull as long as the bag is right. All right Like boosies like that. All right, the bag as long as the bag is right Like, no, I know what to do with it. Me. I know how hard it is to make a meal. Let me go ahead and get that right now So maybe nobody got to him and he never actually heard or Again, assuming it was future. I'm just trying to figure out How it cannot work out I would have to imagine that futures plugged in with some folk that Dottie not Dottie Doth my bad that Doth and Glock as I meant to say Glock We're beefing against and maybe he didn't want to play no kind of sides or get into something That's the only type of thing That I could think would keep him from doing it If it were future So now I feel like it was Chief Keith. I don't know why that's what I'm saying. It made me lean She's I don't not because they be off that beefing but just I don't know why it made chief keep problem Who was the other person we had a future and we had I said a little baby But I think I think him a little baby was kind of coming up rising. Yeah, it seemed like it would make sense I'm trying to think of where rappers In his demographic would have been like further. It'll be like, yeah, what I mean a little bit of future Maybe 21 Savage, but I think he has a song 21 Savage. So I don't think of him. Well, maybe the baby um Who else been going crazy at that time in that demographic? So I can make go man I don't know what y'all feel like y'all might know what it is Let us know and with that said, I'm brand man Sean. I'm Cory and we out. Peace