 Do you suffer from fatigue, brain fog, light-headedness, reduced athletic performance, flat muscles, headaches? Do you suffer from all those? Well, you probably think you're dehydrated, so you're already drinking a lot of water. What the hell is going on? Well, here's the deal. You might need to increase salt. Without enough sodium, here's what happens when you drink a lot of water. It goes right through you. If you're drinking a lot of water and it's not solving those problems and you're confused, you're thinking yourself, I can't possibly be dehydrated. I'm drinking so much water. It's because the water is not getting into your cells. And salt is essential for that. So, look at your diet, look at your sodium intake, especially if you work out hard. You might need to increase your sodium intake. Try it, see what happens. I'm glad you brought up flat muscles. I think we said something on an episode recently, and I actually got some messages in regards to what that means. Maybe go into a little bit more detail on what we mean by flat muscles or a flat look that you get. Well, muscles are 70% fluid. If they don't have enough fluid in them, and fluid in a muscle is not bloat, so people confuse it too, bloat is outside the muscle under the skin, you want well-hydrated muscles. Well-hydrated muscles contract better, perform better, recover faster, they look more full and sculpted. It's a good thing. You want well-hydrated muscles. If they're not hydrated, they're going to look smaller, flabbier. So this is the thing. If your muscles are flat, you actually look like you have higher body fat. Bodybuilders know this, right? You look like your muscles aren't as developed, you don't look as lean. And then when you work out, you just don't feel as connected to the exercise. And if you're somebody that likes the pump, you just don't get the pump. And this can feel like you're going backwards. It could feel like you're losing muscle. It could feel like you're gaining body fat. When in reality, your muscles just aren't, they just don't have as much fluid in them as they might have had before, or as much as they could have. And this is, bodybuilders understand this very well, by the way. They play this game exceptionally well before they get on stage because it makes a huge difference. I'm actually going to challenge that a little bit. This was one of the things that I was so surprised that bodybuilders didn't know very well. Well, they know about it is what I mean. Yeah. And so they actually pull water going into a show. Like the day of a show, they have no water, which I thought was so interesting that they would do that. And they're looking to pull like all the water out so their skin looks like paper thin. But then you do that and you also obviously pull it out of the muscles. And so, you know, if you're a competitor and you're listening to this and you got a coach who completely pulls water, you know, and the kind of a standard look to that would be, you know, depending on what they led up to their peak, the three days going into showtime, they go from like a gallon to three quarters to a half to a quarter to nothing on show day. Maybe they're getting to sip a tiny bit and it's not smart. It's crazy. Now, I do think there's some validity to trying to pull all that out. So you get that like kind of like a subcutaneous water that you get to where you have that. And that's what they're trying to balance. It's a balancing act, right? It is a balancing act. So you do want to reduce some water to get that or pull it and then reintroduce it because that's part of what fills the muscle bellies back out and gives you this full look. And so I was surprised on how many coaches and bodybuilders actually did. And now you might ask like, well, they look amazing. Well, yeah, they're 2% body fat. So even flat muscles at 2% is going to look defined. Yeah. But what they understand, what bodybuilders know is that this is an important part of their appearance on stage and a bodybuilder can go from first place to fifth place or tenth place. Just off of water. Just off of this because it makes up so much of your muscle bellies and how you look. And then there's been extreme cases. Now, of course, we're talking about pro bodybuilding now. So the average person isn't going to connect to this. They are, though. And I will make that connection. That's why I like to talk about this. I know it's because the biggest takeaway that I had from this experience for me had nothing to do with bodybuilding and everything to do with learning to connect with my clients. And we've all heard this. Oh, the sale goes up again. Yes, we've all heard this. Where you've got a client, they're doing perfect on their diet. They're training with you consistently. And they swear that they are like, I look puffier or the scale has actually gone up a pound or two. And they're discouraged because of what they see in the reflection of the mirror and or what they see on the scale. And because of my experience in that and recognizing how much you can manipulate water weight. You see an extreme version and then you can apply it to the regular. You can scale that back down. The big thing with like weight cuts, like the dramatic weight cuts that you'll see where fighters will do basically everything they can to sweat it all out. And, you know, it's so to the dangers of both of those things, right? Back in the day, they used to do the like distilled water and do that where they like even rip out like salt and all that. That's crazy. But yeah, you know, what I was going to say about the bodybuilders is some of them had died on stage or they seized up because of that because of this. But for the average person, a lot of people don't know this, but you're you're for your cells to utilize water and fluid. They need the electrolytes and sodium is one of the most important parts. Without it, the water not only doesn't get absorbed in the cell, it actually will dehydrate you. So if you had zero sodium and drank a ton of distilled water, which has no minerals in it, what sort you'll die. It's dangerous. So this is very important. Now, I remember the first time this happened to me, not to me personally, but to a client. I had a client who went from a heavily processed diet to whole natural foods, which already and at the time I didn't fully understand this. Okay. But now I know this a heavily processed food diet is always very high in sodium. Sodium is always high and heavily processed foods because sodium is a integral part in palatability. They know this is salt, sugar, fat. Those are three main ingredients. Chemicals and other things they do, but those are three ingredients in making something palatable. And sodium is easy to add. It doesn't change the calories. People don't typically freak out if something's high sodium is like they would if it was fat or sugar, although some people do. But they'll everything's high sodium when it's heavily processed. And if you go from that to whole natural foods, you've already, even if you salt your food, dramatically reduced your sodium. So I used to train this woman. She went from heavily processed to whole and natural. And then she started getting muscle cramps and headaches and these are all the signs of dehydration. Yeah. So what did she do? I'm dehydrated. I'm going to drink more water. And then I'm still getting these problems. I'm going to drink more water. She was drinking up to a gallon a day. She was peeing all day long, couldn't figure out what the hell was going on. And thankfully I had somebody in my studio who was much smarter than I was on this. This was a wellness individual, wellness expert. And she could hear us talking in the background. It was a small studio. And she said, Hey, do you mind if I, if I chime in? And I'm like, no, of course. I'd love like, what do you think is going on? She goes, she needs more sodium. I'm like, sodium. And she goes, your cells need sodium and magnesium in order to, especially the sodium part. This is the part that, you know, she realized was the problem to pull the water into the cells. Without that, it's, you're drinking all this water and you're not getting much of it at all. Literally within the workout. Okay. I went in the back cause I used to have a little kitchen in the back where I would eat, you know, in between clients. I had some Himalayan pink salt and I gave her a teaspoon of it with some water. It's a lot of salt. Right. So she's like choking it down, drink it within 15 minutes. She's like, I feel way different within 15 minutes. It was crazy. That was the first time I realized like, Oh, just drinking a lot more water. You know that it doesn't necessarily fix the problem if your sodium isn't adequate. And if you sweat and you work out and you don't need a lot of processed foods, you're probably going to want to add sodium to your diet more than just the salt on your chicken breast. I went through that same process with athletes. I was training and even myself where it was like you're, you feel like you're doing everything dialed in and perfect too. Because now you're adjusting. I mean, even just getting an athlete to look into their, their nutrition and to kind of get more in the whole food side of things. And then also too, to be well hydrated because, you know, having, having dry ligaments and having things like that. Like it's that's, that's alarming. That's something that you don't want that you want that positivity. Yeah. So that's, that's one of those things that sticks out as a potential harm. So to be able to now add in electrolytes or pinch of salt, like that, that was game changer for a lot of athletes that kept having over and over again cramps and issues while they're sprinting. And so, you know, I saw an immediate effect of that. I can't tell you how many family members and friends that I've had that have expressed to me like I've talked about the health benefits of the sauna before. And they've told me, oh, they don't like doing the sauna because they always get headaches from it. They're like healthy people. Yeah. And I'm like, how much sodium are you intake? I don't know. They don't really track. Oh, I eat healthy. So they're like, so that they assume because they make good food choices that they're not concerned or worried about that. I'm like, you know, it's even more important because you eat healthy. You don't eat a lot of processed foods. You work out and exercise, you run, you do all these things. And then in addition to that, you go do a sauna and you get these massive headaches from it. And I tell them like next time, just use a packet of the element before or during while you're doing that. And what a difference. And it's like literally solves the problem. My dad, my dad loves the sauna. He loves sauna and steam room. And he goes, I can't do it for too long. And I'm like, what do you mean? He goes, well, I can stay in there for a long time. He goes, but then I'm like, he goes, I'm so groggy and tired and low energy for the rest of the day and even sometimes the next day. So he had, I had seen him the other day because he came over to, to fix something and he's very good with, you know, fixing things and stuff like that. I'm not so, hey dad, come help me or whatever. So he comes over and he had just come from the gym and he's like, oh, I'm like, how are you doing? He's like, I feel tired. I'm like, what happened? He goes, I did the sauna for 35 minutes and he goes, sometimes it just kills me. I'm like, dad, here. And I give him element. I'm like, drink this. I said, if you feel better in the next 10 minutes, it's because the reason why that happens is because your sodium is low. He drank it 10 minutes later. He's like, what did you give me? I'm like, literally, like it's magnesium, potassium, but mostly salt. He's like, salt? Yeah, dude. That's all it is. It's crazy. By the way, element is the highest ranked product that we promote in our forum. Oh, really? Yeah. I forgot who did it. I think Helen did it in the forum. She said, what are your favorite products or sponsors that work with Mind Pump? Element was the winner. Now, there's a self-selection bias in our forum because these are all fitness and health people. Yeah, sure. So they all avoid heavily processed foods, but it was the one that everybody said they was. Yeah, it was probably one of those things. Like we said, it was overlooked because you think you're doing everything right. Yeah. It's one of the most consistent ones that I hear even outside of our forum. It's up there. If it's not number one, it's top, I'd say, like at least top three for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Today's program giveaway is Maps Anabolic Advanced. Here's how you can win it. Leave a comment below this video on the first 24 hours that we drop it. Subscribe to this channel and turn on notifications. If you win, we'll let you know in the comments section. We're also running a sale right now. Map symmetry is half off and the RGB bundle is half off. If you're interested in either one or both, just click on the link at the top of the description below. All right, back to the show. So I was going to add, so I want to bring this up because I thought this was funny. So on our Instagram once, is it once a week that we do the day in the life? It's once a week, right? Once a week. So we get on there once a week, one of us. So it'll be me or Adam or Justin or Doug. And we do what's called the day in the life. And we just show what we're doing throughout the day, maybe what we're eating or, you know, what we do in the morning, work out, just literally day in the life. And those get the most views out of any story we do on the Instagram. And we all don't like doing it because we're not super social media guys. Like, it's not like, Hey, look what I, it's like kind of like annoying, but we do it. People love it. We, we work, we, you know, communicate with people fine. So, you know, we, Adam came up with this great idea where our staff members would also do one throughout the week. So people could see like what our assistant does, whatever. And so we're in the meeting and Adam was, Adam's wife was here. And he goes, yeah, honey, you're going to do this too. She's like, I'm not doing it. Great. This is going to be great. Immediate resistance. She works with us. I'm like, oh, this is going to be good, dude. She's going to be the most resistant for sure. Yeah. So I'm, I'm, I'm. You got a ton of time. There's a few people I think are going to have a hard time. I can't wait. That's going to be the biggest battle. I'm preparing myself for the battle and how this goes. And so, I mean, I hope I get her too. There's a lot of people that are really curious. I mean, what really prompted this, I don't know who I was talking to. I was talking to somebody about the business. So she hates social media. Oh yeah. She doesn't even have it. She's never been off. No, yeah. She's not on anything. She's not anything. She hasn't, she hasn't been on anything since like my space days. Like, yeah. And she did that for a minute and then Facebook was new. She did Facebook. She told, she like, this is all pre me. So this is over 13 years ago. Right. So, and because I've asked her before, I'm like, you know, it's, you have no social media like what this was back when I was first finding this all out. She goes, yeah, you know, I had a Facebook in a my space a little bit. And she goes, and then I'd shut it off and then I turn it back on and shut off. And I was like, well, why would you shut it off? She's like, you know, it always caused some sort of drama. There was always, it always resulted in jealousy or, you know, some sort of like, you know, talking behind people's backs or she goes, I just recognized that, you know, a lot of, a lot of drama was connected with it. And I just didn't want to, and then I would shut it off. And then people would be like, oh, I can't connect you and you know, family. And so she goes, then I turn it back on and then it would lead to another scenario like that. And she goes, I just, I just find it toxic. And so I don't want it in my life. And so I made a decision. And this book you said before me, we're 13 years. So this is 14, 15 years ago, she had made that decision. And it has been, and so she is like super anti being on it. Whenever, if anyone's ever noticed when I'm ever doing like stories, like when it is my day in the life, like she would lonely like bolt out of the room and walk away. She sees me do this. She's out. Yeah, yeah. She'll, she'll cut out or she'll turn or yeah. So she does not like to be on it. And I love that. Right. So I don't, and I, I hate to be like, want to be like Forcer to be on it. But I would, where this started, it was actually Jordan Syed. I was talking to Jordan Syed. We caught up with him. He came into town to visit us. And a show was coming up soon with him. And we were just catching up. It's been a year since he was here and he was asking about the, how many employees. Like, oh my God, I had no idea you guys have that many people working for the company. I'm like, yeah, you know what? It's funny. I get that a lot. And we tended like drop names and conversation on here. And I'd get DMs all the time. Like who's, who's Dylan? Who's Jerry? Who's like, people are always at. So I don't know. I think, I think it would be great. I think if I was on the other side, I would be curious about. I'm also interested to see how they, what they show. Yeah. Because we're super like, like if you're, especially if you're doing it and you're being humorous and even if you want to poke fun at us or talk about, we love it. Like we're not like. We definitely can handle it. We're not insecure. Yeah. We love it. Like go for it. Have a good time. And we all laugh about it and stuff. Yeah. So the audience can look forward to that. We're going to roll it out soon. How are you going to convince her? Probably going to threaten her with her pay. Probably. I mean, that's my, that's my, that's my ace in the hole. Are you going home? I'm, this is the call we're doing. No, no. I'll try sweet. First always like, Hey honey, you know, just everybody else is going to do it and you know, you're, you can't have you the only one who's not, it'll look bad and you know, you're a team player. I'll go that angle. And then I'll be like, well, you know, I guess we could reduce your pay by 25%. So we'll see, we'll see how this goes. I mean, I hope, I hope I could get her. I know we were in the meeting. You said that. She's like, Nope, not doing it. And I'm like, Oh, this could be a great conversation. I love it. We'll see how that goes. I agree. Hey, listen, that's a cool thing that she, I mean, Jessica was on there. She built her business and then, you know, as a kid, she was on there, you know, she's younger than I am. But then she went off and now she's going back on a little bit, but she went off for the same reason. She's like, it just, it was not a value add to my life. It was a minus. It took away from my life. I mean, it was actually something we shared in common. So I wasn't either. So you went on business. I literally turned YouTube, Facebook and Instagram on all in the same week, all with the intent to build a business. Now I knew, I had no idea what I was doing at all or what it was going to look like. I didn't know that we would all get together one day. But I literally only, I had my space and I had my space for a short period of time. I wonder if the, does it still there? You, we found yours a while ago. Well, yeah, it was, it was just, it wasn't like my personal, it was like my band just cause. Can you look us up Doug? Look up my space Adam Schaefer. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know if it's, it's still, it's still a thing. Like I think it hasn't, that would be funny, bro. Did you have music playing in the background? Yeah, I did. I had like a matter of fact, I remember, I think it was trapped. Justin knows what that is. Yeah. So a hard rock band. So that was your, it was your song. Yeah. I think that's why I liked it. I thought it was cool because you could do that. I liked it because of the, yeah, the music. Cause it tied you a lot more to underground music and people were sharing stuff. But yeah, Tom never did us wrong. That guy was solid. He didn't sell our shit to be honest with you. Broke or whatever, like that. What happened to him? Do you know, do you know his, Andrew? You know his backstory? I don't know. I don't know his story. Yeah. I was reading an article and I'm gonna try to pull it up a quick, but basically I know he sold a ton, like millions off of it. Oh, he did make money. He just went off and just off the grid and went to his life. He just like peace. He was, he was always, He stayed off social media. Yeah. Wasn't he the first friend you would get when you Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And everybody can probably recognize that photo of him that. Okay. Okay. Okay. So he sold for $580 million. Wow. Wow. Before retiring 2009, now 47 years old, living out his dreams in Hawaii as a travel photographer. Oh, wow. That's for him. What a great story. Man, I would love to get him. Wouldn't that be a fun interview? That would be a real fun interview. Are you kidding me? Yeah. He probably hides. He probably don't want to do it. Send what you got over to Courtney. Let's get his ass on the show. And Katrina and see what they can do. That would be a really cool conversation. Bro, he, this was social media. Before social media, it became a tool of the freaking, you know. The machine. Of the, yeah. The propaganda and crap. It was a pure time. I mean, how cool is that that the guy who, you know, was a partner inventing it and starting it, cashed out and then just disappeared. Just took off. Yeah. No family. No desire. I'm sure he's 47 years old now. I'm sure he, I'm sure he would have a problem finding a wife with that family. Sure. Sure. He's doing all right. I wonder if he can travel in the world with a, with a camera and Hawaii. Yeah. I think he's, I think he's. Wonder if he gets recognized. How can I get attention? Hey. I doubt it actually. I mean, I guess that he does have that. I know what, I can picture the, right now the picture. I wouldn't be on the white shirt. If I saw that photo, I would obviously remember the photo, but I feel I could be in line with him and not know who he is. I bet. I mean, he's got to be off all social media. Otherwise, people wouldn't know what's going on. He's probably anti. Yeah. That would be very interesting. Dude, you know what I learned the other day, Justin? I thought of you when I saw this because you like this kind of stuff. Huh. Do you know that there are tribes that use, they use an insect to sew up cuts like sutures. Do you want to know what they use? An insect? Yeah. Like, is it like an extraction from the insect? No. Or is it the actual insect? They use army ants. So if they have a big cut. Yes. They'll put the army ants. Because they bite down to like suture. The mandibles over the cut. The mandibles will squeeze together. They pop the head off. And then they'll pull the kill the ant, take off the head. What? Or take off the body. And the little head is there. The pinchers keep pinching the whole time. And it keeps. Yeah, look it up, Doug. I know. I want to see that. That's cool. Army ants for wounds or for sutures. I saw this the other day on social media. That's wild. So smart. Yeah, dude. So these are like they have a cut. They want it to heal. Look at that. Bro. It looks like stitches. It does. Isn't that like so. I find that so cool. I love low tech like culture or whatever. Like, but you find ways to solve a lot of these problems. Yeah. This can really prevent solution. Well, that has to be like a serious bite though. To actually hold skin together. Oh, yeah. It's an army. Look at one over there on the top left. Look at that. Look at those mandibles. They're no joke. And they're organic. And it dissolves eventually, right? I think so. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? Okay. So, okay. That to, I mean, you got tweezers and then you put it right in place and then it's got a bite just right. No, you don't tweeze anything. The mandibles are wide. It clamps down. No, I know, but you have to cut its head off. No, you pull its body off. You pull it off. It bites down and they twist it. Yeah. It doesn't release. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's kind of like that, that contraction that still happens. Like even after people die. So those two things that could possibly help you survive if you're ever in a situation, that's one. Here's another one. And I learned this from this old surgeon that I used to train. So I used to train this surgeon. Glue, like super glue is another. Yeah. That was my dad. Yeah. Every construction. Every construction. Super glue. My daddy. I can't be good. I did that a few times when I cut my fingers for like playing in his show. Cause like, I don't know. I was playing and I had to slice and I was like, Oh no, I have to like perform it nicely. Super glue. Yeah. That's every construction. Super glue, toilet paper and then duct tape. That was like the movie. Why is everybody super reinforced? Yeah. My dad, you know, my dad did it a couple of times a week. I'd cut my hand helping him whenever he was a kid. He'd take dry cement powder. Oh man. It would just work. Like, okay. I felt like a badass though. You know, I'm like 12 years old. Yeah. Check this out. Anyway, so I learned this from an old surgeon. I used to train this surgeon. He was just about to retire. So people need to, and he would, I would hear stories about him and I'd hear him tell me stories. And what people don't know is that surgeons, if you go back, you know, 40 years, cause he's, he was, let me see. He was, he was already in his 60s. So I think he'd been already practicing for 30 something or 40 years back in the day, surgeon was God. Like you walk in the hospital. They're kind of like that now. But back then it was really like, they call shots. They could do whatever they want. You do what they say. The training was crazy. He said he, when he was in training, he would tell me stories where he was in the ER and then, you know, this guy, blood was squirting everywhere. And he was a kid and he was like freaked out cause he's trying to help him. And he's like this other old surgeon is like slapped him and like fixed it real quick and like, you know, scolded him. He's like, it was hardcore. But anyway, he said, if you're ever in, in, in nature and you get a cut and it starts to get infected, he goes, the best way to clean it. You want to know what it is? P on it. Maggots. Oh, maggots. Yeah. They love eating dead skin. You put maggots on a wound and maggots will only eat dead flesh. It will, he says it will clean the wound better than any doctor that you could imagine. You put maggots on it, cleans the whole thing out and you're fine. How crazy is that? It's okay. It's better than anything that we have. That's what he said. I don't know if he's being like, you know, like he was in training. Yeah. But he said, he said, if you're in nature and you have a cut and you're like, that might not be good. Matt, you get some maggots on there. He goes, it'll take care of the problem. Isn't that crazy? The power of maggots. If it was that powerful, you think we would use that still. I mean, as gross as it is. Why? You really think we would? If it's more effective. Yeah. How much profit you make off of maggots? Well, I mean, and people tend to get a little uncomfortable with that. There it is. Maggots can also be used. Maggot therapy involves the use of maggots of the green bottle fly. To reslothing? What is reslothing? I think. I don't know. Reslothing. It was reslothing. But look what it says there. To remove necrotic, slothy, and or infected tissue. I think that's tissue that's about to become necrotic or is already dead, but not yet. I don't know. Huh. I'm guessing. Yeah. Yeah. Yellow, white tissue as it's healing. It looks pretty nasty. I'm not going to show you guys pictures. Yeah. So it's when it's all infected and pussy looking. Yeah. Yeah, but why do you think they wouldn't use maggots? First off, patients probably don't want it. I'm sure you'll want to go to the doctor. They're going to put maggots on you. And number two, what are the profit margins on maggots? You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can go outside and get my own. And how long does it take, you know? I mean, are we that terrible that we choose to not do things that are more effective? I mean, that's so. I don't know if it's more effective, though. Yeah. It is effective. We found something that is easier and, you know, relatively inexpensive and more effective than it makes sense. But if it's like that, if it's still proven to be better, it'd be weird to not. These are all like good, like MacGyver survival. MacGyver. Hey, speaking of. Stick a gum and foil. Speaking of good, of interesting information, I was reading these conspiracy theories on movies where, you know, it'll say like, like there's an alternate theory and it kind of makes sense when you think about it. And I read one about John Wick that blew my mind. So you guys have seen John Wick, right? Really? Yeah. They said the theory was that John Wick is Neo if he swallowed the blue pill. Whoa. Whoa. Is that crazy? So he never swallowed the red pill, he swallowed the blue pill and then that's Neo in the matrix. Not knowing. Kind of makes sense, right? Yeah. I don't know if I get that. Remember when he could swallow the red pill? No. Of course I know the red pill, blue pill whole decision to be like aware of the matrix or not aware of the matrix. But how does that make any sort of... Because he's a badass still, you know, he's still fighting and being a badass. Don't ruin this animal. Yeah, I'm sorry. I mean, I just like... You can put coals in it. I like the, the concept. Yeah. You can probably say that about any other movie. I don't know. Well, my favorite thing about the John Wick series is what somebody created like this running tally of kills. Yeah. And it just, he just like, are stacking bodies, dude. I mean, from the first film to when he's up to like four now. Yeah. Like, and it just keeps increasing. How many kills? People even realize like how many kills, I don't know, I have to look it up like what the actual total is now. But it was just like, it's actually good. I love it, man. Movies that are bullshit try to be too realistic. I like it because they don't pretend. Yeah, it doesn't. I appreciate that too. I think like a movie that is like 80 or 90% very realistic and then it has this like small percent 439. That's so many. Bro. It went up. So look, the first one is 77. Then it goes to 128. Then it goes to 140. And then, oh, so it's 100. 94 and a third. Oh, it went down. It went down. Well, you know, I wonder if they like right and they go like, oh, you know, we got to back off. Those crazy people. Let's give somebody else a turn. You know, to make some kills. They got to go hard. Has any movies surpassed the infamous scene in heat for the most bullets ever fired in a scene? Oh, has that ever been passed? That was the record back then. Are you sure? Oh, yeah. It was more than commando or? Yes. Oh, yeah. Big Lebowski had the most swear words, I believe. Oh, really? And it's cool because it's like, it's subtle. Like it's just part of their language so you don't realize they're cussing the whole time. Oh, I don't know that that was a record. Yeah, they had the the longest and most bullets ever fired in a gun scene ever. Really? Yeah. At that time, I don't know if it's been surpassed now. I remember commando bro and Arnold comes out and he just. Dude, you don't remember that scene? I do. That was a great movie. I mean, it's literally a fully automatic gun fight with like 12 guys and it's like literally a 20 minute scene. That's right. That's right. That's right. I'm curious about that. I know it was then. I knew that stat back then what I'm curious about is if it's been surpassed. You know what's funny to me is do you guys remember the first time you held like an actual gun and realize how heavy they are? Yeah. And then you watch movies and you're like. They're like, yeah. Bro, your arm will be hit. You can't hold it like this? Or like, you know, like Arnold's holding like two like machine guns in each arm. You ever hold? So I've actually held because I have family. They say that's impossible. It would do this. Yeah. Each bullet would come and they're heavy. You end up going up. Yeah. And they're heavy. It's not you hold one in each hand and you can do this for hours. You're killing a bunch of people. It's not going to happen. No. Anyway. Looks cool. So that's all matters. So I learned something else really interesting. This is crazy. I love reading about. I'm not going to think suggest this by the way as a recovery tool. So let me just say that first. But I read. I watched this video and then I looked it up to confirm it. You've shown to dramatically improve recovery and it has nothing. This is a drug that is not for recovery. But when they give it to people before and after surgery or injuries or burns the recovery from this particular drug that's connected to the drug is like dramatic. It's an unintended sort of benefit. Yeah. Beta blockers. Oh. Beta blockers dramatically improve like massively in these studies recovery. The theory is because the theory is that beta because what do beta blockers do? Right. They don't allow your heart rate to get up too high. Right. The theory is that it's blunting the sympathetic response to stress. Okay. So, you know, keeping your stress sort of like managed. Correct. So, you know, sympathetic, right? That's like fight or fly and you need it for certain extent. But if it's a real high it can compromise recovery because parasympathetic I would think that's something that would heighten the heart rate, would pump more blood, more oxygen that would speed up the recovery process, not the opposite. No, it's because you have more adrenaline, more cortisol, more stress. So, I mean, I get it now that you're breaking it down, but I think you would you would think that would be the other way. So, I went down the rabbit hole because I'm like, okay, I read these studies. So, these studies were done on people going to surgery or having burns and it was like a dramatic difference. It wasn't like a small difference. It was dramatic. So, I thought, what athlete do you guys think would get a hold of this experiment with this? What, who's the most chemically experimental bodybuilders? Bodybuilders. So, sure enough, I went on forums and you guys know that some bodybuilders use beta blockers for recovery? I actually think I've heard this. What? Yeah. I think I have heard this. For really, really, I feel like they're just human experiments walking around. Hey, you're welcome first. You're welcome. How do you think we learn? Hey, yeah, yeah, I gotta bless you. You're welcome. You're walking pharmacy. We can learn from you. Dude. During bulking season, because it also could prevent fat loss to an extent because you want those stress hormones, whatever. So, they use them during bulking season when they're training their asses off feeding themselves like crazy and they'll say, and I was reading comments in the forum, I would not recommend this. Do not take a beta block for recovery. I think the dynamite one is the craziest. Bro. That to me is the wildest. What's it called? DNT? I forgot what it's called. Doug, look up DNT for fat loss and see what comes up. I mean, this is stuff they use to make dynamite and bodybuilders will take it. I think it was Dan Duquesne. So Dan Duquesne has passed away, but he was, I mean, he was like the black market cosmonaut in the bodybuilding space. He would talk about different chemicals and medicines that theoretically could help with fat loss and muscle. DNP. DNP. So it stands for 2-4 dinotrophenol. This is an ingredient in dynamite and I don't know how they figured it out. I think Dan Duquesne was the first one to speculate on this. But literally, I know, like, how did you lead to that? So he was like, someone's like, chew it on a thing of dynamite. I'm like, I gotta lean today. This is crazy. Like, how does that transpire? So Dan Duquesne was a super smart black market dude. I don't even think he was formally educated, but he would look at chemicals and how they act in the body. He would come up with theories. He would talk about them, experiment with them and then report on them. He wrote the, what was it called? The, that was it the something handbook or Bible steroid? Underground Bible. Something like that, right? Underground steroid handbook. Look up Dan Duquesne's steroid book and see. But, so anyway, he wrote about this. People experimented with it and literally what they do, Justin, is they would take this and then they would sit in bed and they would sweat and feel like they're gonna die. Cool. Okay. But you know what they would report? Please don't do this. I'm gonna be some, this will kill you. Okay. This is literally what can kill you, but they would drop like a percent or two body fat just from a sitting and a couple of days. A couple of days. Oh, body opus. That's what it was. That's it. And then the underground steroid handbook. I mean, computer is like, is super effective too. But it also one of the scariest things I ever mess with. Like you accidentally, you're all Flintstone vitamins compared to DMP from what I've read. Well, that's what's crazy to me because that scared the shit out of me was doing that. I did. I did. I did. Didn't you move the decimal point? I know. Okay. You're talking about like, so what's the, what's the, the diabetic needles, the real skinny syringes, right? So you're talking about your, your the tiniest amount of fluid. Oh, you did it. The liquid one. Yeah. Yeah. Liquid under your tongue. Oh, shit. And so you're only taking in like a tiny, tiny bit. So it's, it's dosed in micrograms. Yeah. You could easily, you know, like you could easily do two or three times that and not even think it's that much. Yeah. And that's what happened to me. Like I, I did the math wrong on it. Oh my God. I know. I thought I was, I thought I was going to die. What happened? I mean, my, my heart was pounding so hard, like all day long. Like it was, yeah, no, I got really, it was definitely the scariest thing that I ever messed with. And I just didn't think something so little that I was taking could possibly even have that kind of effect. Yeah. Super effective. Almost kills you. But yeah, super. Well, it's an asthma drug. They don't, they don't use it here anymore. I think in some, I think in South American, Mexico, I want to say that they still prescribe it to, for asthma. They used to give it to cattle because it also builds muscle. Not so much in humans for some reason. So that's why, yeah, but what it was so pro was that it would help like burn body fat or basically. Preserve muscle and preserve muscle. So that's why it's so popular. So they used to give it to cattle, but then it would get in the meat. And then some people would suffer from clenbuterol poisoning. So they banned it to giving it to cows. Also used though. I know it's still used somewhere. In some places. Yeah. But here in the U.S., they don't use clenbuterol anymore. They use albuterol. Albuterol is more selective. So clenbuterol affects the whole body. That's what they use in inhalers, right? Correct. Yeah. You can also do albuterol tablets, which is old school. They still have those. But albuterol is more selective to the lungs, whereas clenbuterol hits the whole body. So they went from clenbuterol to albuterol, which is more effective. I know this because I had asthma as a kid. And I would use, not clenbuterol. I used albuterol. It's kind of pissed off. I didn't get this. Hey, you've been talking to your cousins and family a lot, investments with that. What's the, not to completely shift, but I do want to, because I want to hear your thoughts on the market right now, like what's happening in the stock market, what's going on with real estate. Like, Well, the big talk is these huge investors pulling their money out of the market. Yeah. You had the Michael Burry bet, which was a few billion dollars. Warren Buffett recently, right? Warren Buffett pulled eight billion out of the stock market. That means that they're expecting, yeah, they're expecting a big drop. And then they'll probably put it back in and buy things when they're cheap. Yeah. And so the prediction I've heard, it's like, it's literally here, right? This month, so September to December is when most of the people that I follow that have been saying that this is where we're going to see it really unfold right now. So I'm really curious, because I thought it was going to happen long ago. I thought we would have felt this, you know, more of this, I guess, and just like the last year or whatever. But I did read the stat, you know, this was, I read this yesterday. I think I saw Chris, my buddy Chris post it and I thought, man, that's wild. It would take a combination of up to 28% decline in home prices, a more than 4% reduction in 30-year mortgage rates, or up to 60% growth in median household incomes to bring home affordability back to its 25-year average. Wow. That's how off we are. You know what the problem, because that's crazy. You know what the problem with the housing market is, that they've encouraged and created, because it was like, here's what happened. It was like part of the American dream, own a home. Politicians got involved, government got involved, and it became policy to continue to try to make buying a house more realistic for people. More accessible. Yeah. And so as a result, we've skewed and distorted the market so much that now, this is what always happens, housing prices have gotten so expensive and so crazy that it's unachievable. And so they try to remedy by pumping more money or by just trying to fix things. So what's happened now is so many people have their money tied up in their homes that it's political suicide to allow the market to correct itself. Because if the housing market crashes, the average person is screwed. So now we're in this weird like... Yeah, what's your... What do we do? I have some thoughts around this. I'm curious to what you, what do you think is going to happen? Do you think we have this massive crash ahead of us? Do you like, what's going to be the result of this? Oh, man. I don't know. I think... I don't think it'll be like 2008. I think if this does go down, it'll go down because of the labor market or the work market really being affected. I'm not sure... Because people have a lot of equity in their houses and they were locked in with such low rates that a lot of people will just weather the storm. Yeah, I don't think we're going to see anything like that, actually, at all. I think that we are in... This will be unique in our lifetime going through a major transition. I think the education around it is going to take probably a decade plus to even get to everybody else. I think the old adage of, you know... Buying a house is gone. I think that it's going to continue to stay in control by a small percentage of people that can actually afford to play the game of owner and then renting. And I think that it's just going to be different. That's not going to be part of the American Dream anymore. Part of the American Dream is actually not going to be like, own your own home. It's going to be, you know, live where you want to, have the freedom and flexibility, have the short-term rentals like Airbnb, live here for a month, go there for a month, like remote work is going... Everything's becoming renting. Everything is going in that... All is right in with the Klaus Schwab. Yeah, you will own nothing in behind that. Yeah, I mean, I think that we are living that. I do not think... I mean, in hearing stats like that, you have to mull that over a little bit. Like, we would need an 08-plus type of crash just to get back to like a 25-year average, which I don't think anybody thinks that we're in for an 08 crash, even if we're going to see some things get turned up a little bit. Have you seen some of these World Health Organization like proposals for like new cities and what they look like? Like super ultra dense housing, these massive buildings with like 300 square foot, you know, living quarters for people and I mean, they're trying to shift everything and either they're doing it because they see the writing on the wall so they want to change the perception or that's just the direction they want to go because then they will own everything. What do you mean? What do you see? They talk about how the new cities, right? The cities of the future are going to be... And the way they sell it, of course, is better environment, it's climate friendly, da-da-da. But it sees like massively like super dense housing. So like buildings, so people aren't going to have a house with a yard. That's going to be like if you're super rich. Otherwise, everybody else is going to live in these buildings with these tiny 300 to 500 square foot rooms, communal living, right? They sell it as like this, whatever. The biggest project in the world is often running now. What do you mean? Of that, exactly that. It's the wall. Yeah. Or the line. The line. What is that? Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia. It's a multi-trillion dollar project that has already broken ground and is being built and it is literally that. They are building the entire... I mean, I forget how many miles it goes. It would take with a bullet train, it'll still take 20 to 30 minutes to get from one side to the other. Oh my God, look at that. To put in perspective. Yeah, so this is what it's looking like. Wow. Yeah. It seems like they're building and shaping these like... So it's own... It's like you don't have to ever like... Leave. Travel outside of it. Leave. Like sports, entertainment, grocery... Everything is in walking distance. And so that's sort of like the selling point too, the carbon thing. I've also seen one too that's like a... It's supposed to be carbon neutral, I believe. There's a floating one. Like a floating city that it actually looks like a turtle in the design. But it's like the whole thing. Yeah, just like this. These are like... That goes way longer than that though. That's just a piece of it right there. Trillions. Like how much money are they putting in there? Trillions. Yeah. It is the biggest architectural project in the world. You know what's crazy about massive, massive dense cities? I understand the rationale. I'm not like pro or against necessarily, except for sometimes the motives aren't great and the way they sell them can be lied, based on lies, I should say. But massive, massive, close, tight societies are what have given us some of our biggest problems in modern society. It's like disease. Disease is a big problem in a place like that. Like imagine a... What an interesting point that I actually didn't think about with that. I'm like super excited about it. But like... Right. Yeah, imagine like... That's why we don't have fur. You know that right? That's the main theory. Why humans are naked monkeys. Because there's no other... First of all, you think to yourself, what is the evolutionary benefit of us being naked without fur? That makes no sense. That was the argument that we were aliens. Yeah. Yeah. But evolutionary speaking, it's stupid. Fur protects you, protects you from being, you know, attacked because it kind of is a buffer, keeps you warm. Like why the hell are we so naked? Yeah. And the main theory, which was largely agreed upon, is that we started to develop larger and larger and larger communities. And if having fur became a problem because of lice and mites and disease. Well, that's interesting, because you do see like the chimpanzee, whatever that documentary is on Netflix, I've been watching it, and just the process of how that's like a status thing. Like they go around and they pick the mites and you know, and it's like, it's all political and who they do it with and all that kind of stuff. And it was an important part of it. Otherwise, yeah, they're going to have parasites. They're going to have diseases. They're going to have all the things if they don't get groomed. So what we have with like viruses, for example, is let's say that there's a virus in a community of 10. Okay. It passes through everybody and it's gone. That's it. You have it in a society of 10 million. It's going to mutate a bunch of times. It's going to circle around, turn into something different. And really it's going to feed off of just the amount of people that are there. So like these huge, like the bubonic plague killed so many people, but did it probably didn't hurt people living in like, you know, tribal communities because there's not a lot of people. It was the city's end to destroyed. So it's different problems is the main thing. Yeah. I'm fascinated in it. There's like a really cool little mini documentary on the history channel. I think it's also up on YouTube, like where they went through the whole process of like, they recruited like the most talented, brilliant minds in architecture. And because it's supposed, what I can't figure out, even after the documentary, I couldn't wrap my brain around like, if you have this thing that's these, these huge vertical walls like that, how are you going to have all of this like fresh greenery inside there? Like, It's all greenhouse. Like, Yeah. And you're in the desert. So it's like the climate there isn't like the most stages for like, It's all climate control. Yeah. It's all climate control. Honestly, my science fiction brain goes immediately into like, this is like, kind of a preparation for interstellar travel because it's like everybody's going to be confined. And if we're to like ever have to leave, it's going to be like that. It would be just like that. And we would try our best to create, you know, some kind of environment where plants could grow and so we could still have some kind of sustainability. My conspiracy mind, if I let that fly with this, it looks at that and says, wow, what an easy way to control a lot of people. Yeah. That's what I think. Right away. Everybody living in the same building. Sure. Everything's controlled. Everything from the climate to the food, to the information, to the whatever, like literally you'd have two buttons and you could make things happen. Everything's probably going to be under the same currency or probably digital. Well, I mean, I still, you remember, I brought that up years ago now. Geez. We'll be the underground people. That the, the future was going to be these, these mini These mini cities that are owned by massive companies like the Apples, the Googles, the Facebooks that build these mat and they've already kind of done it. By their own country. These like little campuses and, I mean, right now Google is buying up half a down here. Like they're going to have half of all this stuff down here and they have this massive campus and soon they'll have their own kind of government ecosystem where it's like. You think companies are going to go to war one day? Like Google versus. No, here's, here's, so again, I always like to try and be optimistic about it unless like, you know, I love it when you're optimistic about the conspiracies because the comments on YouTube go after. I know, I know that people get hella pissed at me like this. Adam's head is in the sand. I know, I know, we're the ones saying crazy stuff. I'm going to be, I'm going to be optimistic about it. Like, well, okay, let your free market brain go a little bit and be like, you know, imagine there's, you know, these 10 different, you know, billionaires that decide they want to build their own little cities, their own governments. So long as people are totally voluntary. That's what I mean. And so it's like, you don't have to work for Apple, you know, say you own Apple, I own Google, you know, you own Amazon and we all disagree politically and how things should be structured. And so, hey, go build your fucking world. I'm going to build mine. And, and as a, as a, I think smart business operator, be like, I need to make this a place where people want to come live or else they're going to go to you or someone else. So long as it's voluntary and it's not a backdoor way for government to control speech and movement and purchases and stuff like that, I don't care. But that's, I don't think any of those guys origin, no, no, I'm saying like, I don't think like the Zuckerbergs and Bezos's and Musk's and stuff like that, that I think most of them lean like libertarian. They did. At least they did. Right. Before. Yeah. Before the old Twitter owner's name again, Jack Dorsey. Yeah. He said all that. It was literally how he started the company was trying to make it as free as possible. Yeah. So I think I, that's the intent from most of these guys. The internet grew and exploded and self-organized itself with zero, almost zero direction or regulation from governments. And it advanced very quickly and it literally became what it is without, you know, top-down type control. Well, speaking of like long, linear structures, the Great Wall in China, dude, if you saw this in the news, what happened, like, so I guess there's these, these two people were trying to make their commute to work a little shorter. And so they decided to bore through and basically cut through this giant chunk of the wall and have a road so they could cut through to get the work faster. Like, ancient, ancient structure that they just ruined. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They picked them up and locked them up. Were they successful though? Did they get through? Oh, they did. They did. Wow. They created, like, oh yeah, Doug pulled up. Give me a picture. Let me see. Let me see what this looks like. Like, that's history, like, too detained after leveling. Yeah. It looks like part of the wall that's kind of crumbled and, you know, not the entire wall is like in perfect shape. Sure. Sure. But they just, they kind of go through it. Wow. Yeah. Irreversibly damaged. Oh, I didn't know that some of the wall looked like that. I assumed it was like, yeah, there's a lot of ruins with the wall. So I mean, there's a place where you can go with it. We know where how many miles does it go? I think it's the only man-made structure you can see from space, right? Yeah. It's 13,171 miles. Whoa. Which is 21,000 kilometers. Whoa. I don't know. Boy, that would take weeks to travel from one to the other side, right? Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Isn't that crazy? That is crazy. I did not realize it was that massive. One of the most insane, ambitious projects in human history. So where does it, where does it run? From where to where? That's a good question. Is it completely a border? It was, I think, originally designed to keep out invaders. I would imagine. That's right. Yeah. I don't know exactly where it starts and where it finishes. I mean, outside of Beijing, you can actually go to part of the wall there and see it. You can type in, yeah, put, where does the Great Wall of China start and stop? I'm interested in that as well. This was for the, this was really to stop the, I mean, the Mongols were the biggest motivation, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Wow. Is that it right there? Yep. Wow. So it passes through Beijing. Yeah. Holy cow. So it stops right there. Yeah. So it begins in the east and I won't even try to say the names of these places. Oh, wait a second. I thought you spoke. I don't know. Is all of that red line or is it just what I see going to like above North Korea to there? That's the line. Okay. Just that line. Okay. Yeah. And it actually, it actually surrounds an area. Okay. So hold on. What does that say right there in the, can you get where it starts and where it stops? Is that what it says? Yeah. So again, I'm not going to, I'm going to butcher these east at the Xiang Hai Guan in Hebei province and ends at Jui Guan in Gansu province in the west. So east to west. Doug? He does. He always does. He's their interpreter. Yeah. Hey, what did you guys think? So I talked to this person. They annoyed the hell out of me because they don't know. Don't use my name. Don't use my picture. Fine. I won't. Okay. But I'm going to talk about it anyway. Just not going to say who it is. It's a family member. You can't use the before and after? No, it's annoying. You know what? I'm going to give you this guy's phone number. Are you kidding me? Yeah. No. He doesn't want it. So I'm going to give you his phone number. Fuck off, dude. That's so annoying. I did not know that. So I'm going to give you his phone number. He used the... Bro, the before... Hey, listen. I'll say this. I was the most skeptical about this. Yeah. And I'm like, whatever. I've also accepted the... I'm going to ask him if we could blur out his face. Yeah, we could do that. People... Yeah, we could do that. The before and after... Crazy. ...in this period of time... 30 days. ...is crazy. And his hair. And I had no idea we weren't going to be able to share. That pisses me off. His 30 days... Because I've been hella skeptical about this shit in the first place. Oh, I told you. His hair in a month... Yeah. Substantial difference in how much hair... That's some bullshit, bro. Why is he being like that? Yeah, I don't want to. He's just... Yeah. That's so mad. But I don't know if he's just... I don't know what the deal is. Bro, you're the leader of the family. You should fucking put your foot down about some shit like that. I think he's sensitive about his hair loss. Is that what it is? I think so. Blur his face out. But the fact that he had so much hairy growth, I would be like proud of that. Yeah, you'd be pumped on that. Yeah, nobody's going to be even looking at his face. You're going to see his hair line that is like completely radically changed. Well, it's just... I mean, he's just blown away. He's blown away that it worked as well as... In the 30 days. That's awesome. Because remember, the peptides, they'll take longer than 30 days to really have their full effect. What a prick. I hope he listens to this. Yeah. Come on, bro. Seriously, like, that's such a big... That's such a huge change. I know. Like, people are going to want to see that. It's dramatic. And it's one of your family members who you always are talking about the products that they use. It's like, bro, it's like the most crazy people... Dramatic, though, right? Yeah, I know. It's big time. It's crazy how big of a difference in 30 days. I've moved, like, four inches. And it filled in. In perspective. And it totally filled in from using the fallotin. It's all dark hair there now. Yeah. Pretty cool. Yeah. It's from... It's the Entera. So, Entera has this product, a fallotin, I've been using it too. I'm not going to lie. There's a little bit of me now that wants to try just because that is such a big deal. It's a family member. I know the person is very, very well. I know what they live at before and not like it's like this is like... So, even as much as I didn't even give a shit about it, like, that's like, whoa, that's a lot, dude. I know. Now, they also have the skin cream that... Did you guys wives use those? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Courtney's raving about it. Yeah. So, they call it liquid Botox. Yeah. Because, okay, and I don't need to put her on Front Street, but yeah, she's done Botox before. It's like... So, the difference of it, I'm like, well, is it really, like, move the needle at all with that? And it's... She stopped kind of... Yeah. Nice. No pun intended. Nice. In terms of, like, the regular appointments that we schedule for that, because it's one of those things it's temporary. You gotta keep it up. So, she's had to, like, book out even further out, like, so she's been able to kind of, like... Not go as often. Not go as often. So, it's gotta be working. Oh, well, I mean, I mean, you know, Jessica's been using it, and she's like, this is getting me more. This is crazy stuff. You can actually feel it, by the way. Have you guys tried it? I mean, I've tried it once. I can't say... You didn't notice you felt something? It feels interesting. Like, you put it on, and then you can feel like your skin, it just feels different. I don't know. It's interesting. Anyway, good stuff. So, it works. And if I get approval from this fucker, then we'll post it before and after, but I don't think he's going to... I feel like we can blur his face out. That's what I'm gonna... That's what I'm gonna... Release that. Release. We'll call him Mr. X. Mr. X. Mr. X. Oh, shout out. You got a... I had something. Anomaly. Oh, yeah. Listen. Anomaly on Twitter. Yeah. He interviewed Vivek... Well, it's on his Instagram also. It's on his Instagram also. His class is called Dream Rare. We've actually talked about him before. He's a libertarian guy and... Like, really, it goes towards a conspiracy theory type stuff, but smore. I mean, and he goes ham on every, like, politician. Like, what I like about him is he goes pretty deep on all of them, both left and right. Like, he's not... He voices a lot of American stories. He's not a Trump fan. He's not a Biden fan. And Vivek is somebody that we've been following closely. We like his... We like a lot of the things that he's saying, but then I've got even family on my side who is very skeptical of a lot of some of the things that he has said or that who he's tied to. And this is the toughest interview Vivek has done. He definitely asked him the hard... I even think that, like, he was a little... He didn't soften anything. Nothing. He was all hard. So it's a great interview if you're at all following the debates and things and curious about the candidates. And Vivek is one of the leaders on the right. Definitely worth a watch. So shout out to Anomaly. Is that how you say it? Yeah, and then it's a zero instead of O. Yeah, so A-N-Zero-M-A-L-Y is... On X. Yeah. You got to check out OrganiFi's performance stack. There's two supplements you take together. It's pure and peak performance. You get stimulants in the peak performance. Pure helps to round everything out. You have a very euphoric feeling. It feels amazing pre-workout before any kind of creative endeavor. I love it. So it's pure and peak power. That's the bundle and they offer a discount. Plus you get an additional discount with our code. This is with OrganiFi. They make some of the best supplements around. Check them out. Go to organifi.com. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I.com forward slash mind pump. Use the code mind pump and get 20% off. All right, back to the show. Our first caller is Katie from California. Hi, Katie. How can we help you? Hey, guys. What's up? Of course, I want to say thank you for sure. I've been listening to you guys for probably a couple of years now. My boyfriend turned me on to it. He said to tell Justin, hey, so I have to get that in there, of course. Hey, guy. But you guys have a lot of calls to do. So I'll jump into it. You told yourself that. The question I put out there, because you guys have been talking about creating a lot. Obviously a lot of studies have been coming out about that. And like all the benefits. But I'm going into like a jiu-jitsu competition. And like through a whole series of events, I've gained more weight than I used to compete at. So I want to drop back down a division. So pretty much I'm 164 right now. And October 21st is the competition. So I need to drop into the 155 and below. I do have to weigh in with my geek on like an hour before. So there is no, like you can do some crazy dehydration or anything like that. Right. So because I especially want to go down to that division, because otherwise it's 155 and up. So there could be like a 190 or 180 or something like that. And I'm like, not super amped to do that. But I know creating can like make you retain more water. So I'm just kind of curious your guys's thoughts on. So definitely feel stronger with it when I've used it before. But yeah, so yeah. Good question. So here's a deal with trying to make weight for sporting events. And Jiu-Jitsu tournaments do a good job of this. They have you weigh in right before your match. Okay. And the reason why they do this is people play a lot of games to try to get into lighter weight classes. And then they'll add the water back in. They'll go into the weight class, you know, 15 pounds heavier than where they weighed maybe the day before or two days before. But here's my strong belief with weight classes. I think you should go and be as healthy and fit as possible wherever you weigh. Your best performance will be where you feel the best. When we try to gain the weight classes by, oh, I'm going to try and go in and be smaller. Look, you've done, how long have you been in Jiu-Jitsu, Katie? Almost four years. Okay. So you've been doing it for a while. Are you competing as blue or purple? Blue. So I want to get some tournaments in like before the end of the year because my coach wants to promote me at the end of the year. And I'm like, hmm, so yeah. Look, you know that, okay. Then you know this. There's some really dangerous 150 pound girls or 100 pound girls. And then there's, you know, 190 pound chicks that you can, you're going to, you know, get behind them and choke them out real easy. So now that's not to say weight doesn't make a difference. But when you're talking about women, it's going to be rare that you're going to fight a 180 pound like muscular chick. Now I know there's some, there are some that are like that, but it's pretty rare. So I wouldn't worry too much about that. Really focus on being fit and healthy. Now here's why I think you shouldn't stop taking creatine. The weight you might gain for a minute is going to be about three pounds. It's not that much. It's almost, it's inconsequential. But as you try, as you get leaner, if that's what makes you feel more fit and healthy leading into this tournament, creatine is going to help you hold on to muscle. It's also going to give you better recovery. So I don't think that that's something that is going to make that big of a difference. And in fact might actually hamper or hinder your performance. So I wouldn't worry too much about trying to, you know, shave three pounds off your body weight for a tournament that's in October. I don't think it's going to make that big of a difference. No, I think that the move would be, even if we were to manipulate a little bit of that, the move would still be to use creatine the whole, the whole entire time. And then like the week before the competition, I'd just say, hey, cut it out. If we were like, let's say three pounds over water weight heading into that. But even then it's going to be, it's going to be so, the difference of you making that weight class is not going to be made in that week, let's say it's going to be done on all of your dieting training leading up and creatine is only going to help you get your results better. And so I would use it. And I think you're going to be totally fine. The absolute worst thing you could do, and some people do this, is they, the week before, they're like, oh my God, I have to drop five pounds. And so then they do everything they can to drop five pounds. And look, leading up to a tournament, you're training at max. You're probably already dancing on the borderline of overtraining. You're probably already, you know, taking care of some kind of nagging injuries. I don't know any jujitsu competitor that goes into tournament with some kind of mild injury. One of the worst things you do is try to cut weight a week before a tournament when you're in that state. You're going to make yourself potentially sick or overtrained or injured. So, you know, that's just, You want to be as consistent as possible. I completely agree. And it's one of those things too. Like you want to, you want to lose weight. Some people wait till like the last two weeks or so to really like crash into it and not performing with that weight and not being at that energy. And so all of those things factor in when you're going to your performance that, you know, if you haven't simulated that beforehand. So if you are wanting to kind of move into a lower weight class, I would do that before even signing up for, you know, a tournament. So that way you're real comfortable, you know, with that body weight and that feel of your body first. You guys are reading her numbers too, right? Yeah, you're five pounds off, right? If she wants to do 155. Yeah. Yeah. And that's October what? 21st. Yeah. Which one is this by? Is this the, are you coming up here to San Jose? No, it'll be in San Diego. So it's the Jiu Jitsu World League. So it'll be at the Del Mar Fairgrounds. Okay, cool. Yeah. I mean, five pounds you could totally do by October 2nd. It's not that, not that big of a deal and it'd be a healthy cut. What I would do is literally, I wouldn't aggressively aim for a cut. I would just try to eat healthy, clean, train, try to stay, you know, try to stay away from over-training. Yeah, that's not an aggressive cut at all. And you may, you'll probably drop that anyway with the additional training. So, okay, I do want to mention what I was talking about though. Like, so are you against her potentially doing something like this? Since she's like five pounds, right? So you doesn't need to do an aggressive cut. You just, you know, tighten up the diet a little bit, keep your training intensity volume up there. You're probably going to lean out, heading right into the competition or getting close to the competition. Use creatine. It's only going to benefit your training and building muscle and hanging onto muscle during this process. Let's pretend she is though like a pound over going into her final week. Would you say, oh, just cut the creatine out for that final week? Yeah, I mean, I guess if you're a pound over, but a pound is like, I mean, that could go up or down. I know, but I'm just saying like that. So that was my point is like, I would use creatine the entire time. If you're heading into the final week or so and you're literally off a pound to three pounds, it might not hurt. Here's why I don't like to say that because what will happen, what often happens when people think that they can do that is then they go in so close because they have this thing in their back pocket. If you go into the tournament a pound away, you've already made a mistake. No. So if you were my client, the goal would be to get down to 150 knowing that we could be 155. We have plenty of time to get to 10 pounds over the next month and a half is plenty of time for us to do that healthy, slowly controlled. The goal would be to get there, but I'm just saying that if that was the goal we're in that process. If she's 156, we're in the final week, I would just pull the creatine. I would. So I mean, and by the way too, during this process, I would keep your water and sodium levels up high too, which is also going to be holding extra water, which I could easily, if I were pushing let's say two packets of element, I've got you at a gallon, gallon and a half of water. Don't forget though, this is like the day of the tournament. If she messes with sodium and then competes and it messes up her performance won't be a good, so I don't know about the water, sodium thing. I'd want to keep her as hydrated as possible. I'm saying hi. That's what I'm saying. I'm going so high that if I were to bring her down to where she probably is now, she would see a difference in the waterway also. But I mean, at the end of the day, I think the thing that I think we all agree on is you have plenty of time right now to pull easily reduce five pounds of body fat without doing anything extreme, also utilizing creatine all the way. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Awesome. You had a second part of this question about training? Oh, yeah. Just like so I don't over train. So I typically go probably about like four hours of jujitsu and then hopefully catch like an open mat on the weekend because like on Mondays we have two back to back classes and I'll get two other days. And I really like to get in and lift, but I didn't know like how many, because like I had a back injury and every time I can go deadlift, my core feels solid for the week. Anytime I don't go deadlift, I don't, like my back starts to hurt. So I like to keep that in there, but like when I'm, I don't know, like what would be the right way to train so that I'm not necessarily building muscle, but like keeping the muscle and over train. You're like about, I mean a little over a month out from the tournament. Right now, all your training should be geared around staying healthy. Don't worry about performance or strength. So when you go to the gym, think to yourself what's going to feel good. Don't think I'm going to like improve my performance. All your focus right now should be on the jujitsu, like rolling and sparring with your partners. If this was like four months out, then I would, we would be focused on like strength training a little bit, but right now it's only a month out. It's just supplemental at this point. We got to keep you from getting hurt is the main thing. Are you training her at one time a week, full body straight training? Right now max and I would go in like, yeah, easy moderate intensity. I wouldn't even go high intensity. A generic way to do that. Like I, this is an example. So I would do one day. This is me one day a week of training and then like a lot of tempo stuff because that will force me to keep the weight down. Right. So you can modify your intensity. One of the ways to do that would be if I know, I can, let's say you can tell our unilateral. I know you can do deadlifting at 200 pounds. Like I'm going to put you at 130, 140 and slow the tempo down and make it real controlled. Like that's something that I would do to keep you from wanting to push a weight that you think you can get up to. Like that's not the, that's not the priority right now. It's to bulletproof your body. A great way to mess with tempo right now would be to slow down the repetition, isometric stuff, unilateral work, like Justin just said, like that's what I'm doing right now. Another thing too, Katie, is ask your coach, you know what your game is, right? By this point, four years into jiu-jitsu, you've probably kind of developed a style. And I would ask your coach and also ask yourself, do you do better with opponents that like to put weight and pressure on you? Do you like to play the bottom game better? The top game? Okay, so if you're a top game fighter, I can see why you want to go in the lighter division then because going heavier is going to be a little harder for you. So that makes sense then. Okay, cool. Thanks guys, that's awesome. Appreciate it. You got it. Thanks for calling in. Yeah, good luck to you. Thanks, appreciate it. Yeah, the whole like making weight thing, people put so much emphasis on it because this is what the pros do and they know what they're doing. Even then, they screw up half the time. The best thing you should do when you compete in any event that's weight class is go in as healthy as possible. Yeah, I didn't know that. I like that they do that. They just weigh data. On purpose. Well, they used to have problems. Because they do play games all the time. People would, they would hydrate them. They'd do crazy shit. People died doing crazy shows. Isn't it, isn't that kind of, I would love to see the stats on this. Even at the professional level, don't they find that athletes that keep their weight relatively close to what their competing weight is have some of the most success. There's some example. In their body. I know there's some examples of some fighters that are like famous for this, right? Where they cut like 30 pounds and then they blow back up 15 right before the fight. Yeah, I think the... But for the most part, I think some of the most consistently successful, even professional fighters are like do a good job of keeping themselves close to the weight that they weigh. I read a study, I think it was an article that said that about 10 pounds is where you want to, maybe 10 pounds within your... Flexuation. Yeah, where you could drop 10 pounds of water 24 hours before and gain it back. Makes sense. More than that, you start to mess up your performance. You know, I had a friend who dropped 20 pounds of water the day before. Oh my God. And yeah, and he went in and he was just... Trying to like IV it back in. You do all kinds of shit and you just feel like dog shit the day of, you know. And I mean, literally he was trying to... His training partners locked him in the sauna, wouldn't let him out. Oh my God. Like 20 pounds is too much. I think, you know, they're pros. They have people monitoring them. Yeah. I wouldn't do this at any other level in a way. Our next caller is Colin from Idaho. Colin, what's happening? How can we help you? Hey, not much guys. Thanks for having me on the show. I promised my wife I wouldn't fangirl it. So I'll just say I'm excited to be on. Love the show. And I love the consistent advice you guys are always giving. It's done a lot for me over the last couple of years. So thank you. Thank you. Thanks, man. So I love working out. I love it specifically for the aspect in that it translates so well into real life. Yeah. Yeah. Just a bit of background. I love working out. I love the translation that working out takes into real life. But I also do a lot of hunting, backpacking, long trips into deep country with heavy loads on my back. I also love the difference aspect of training. So my question for you guys is, I'm trying to avoid getting the big bulky muscle kind of hypertrophy look. I'm not really interested in round, large muscle. I'm primarily interested in just being powerful, being a bit smaller, having a lot of endurance. My question is, how can I train for powered endurance and kind of avoid, I guess, the training that will give me those big bulky muscles? What's the best way to go about that? Cycles. Well, yeah, you're also overthinking it. All those rep ranges contribute to everything that's gone. Just answer the question. We're basically done with this. All those rep ranges contribute to what you're looking for. And hypertrophy helps with all of that. Really, this is a diet thing. That's where you're going to control that. Most of that is going to be the calories that you eat and whether or not you're in a surplus or a deficit. But you want to train all the different rep ranges and the exercises you pick are going to play a bigger role in the functionality of the strength that you build versus just the look. I mean, when I hear a question like this, I think right away, the motivation behind how we wrote mass performance. That's literally what this is. Like, mass performance is not the program you follow to try and look like a bodybuilder and build big bulky muscle. It's like you want to have muscles that can perform. And the most important piece of that when you're training, because like you said, everything obviously contributes to those things, but you just phase it. So you actually have a phase where you put emphasis on endurance and stamina and you're not really worried that you might lose five or 10 pounds on the scale because you're building endurance and stamina. So it would really just be phasing your training very similar to how mass performance is laid out. Yeah, just the mouth to your nutrition. I mean, at the end of the day, in terms of gaining size, because what he's desiring and what he's going after, like to get that kind of fast twitch response movement. I mean, there's specific training for that. No doubt. So that's going to be sort of your hub. You're going to come back to that. But you're going to cycle in hypertrophy style training and you're going to cycle in these other, you know, methods that also build and grow muscles. However, you know, it's not, it's not that all of a sudden you're just doing hypertrophy. Like your muscles are going to balloon out, you know? I wish. Yeah, I know. Again, so it's not funny because that's kind of like the misconception like women have. 100%. Look, we lost them. I'd love to ask them questions about his genetics and his response because to ask a question like this, Colin, you better be top 0.1% of muscle building where you're walking around and you're just jacked on accident. Yeah. Otherwise it's a silly question. It's like building big round bulky muscles is hard. It never happens on accident. It doesn't happen because you actually trained in the hypertrophy range. Really for performance, it's going to be the kind of exercises you do, the workout programming. And then from when it comes to body weight, it's your diet. So obviously, okay. So obviously we know it's on diet. So what is a generic answer? Obviously we also know too that would be very individualized. But if we were giving mass advice, is it look like a primarily caloric maintenance most time with a slight surplus? Is it look like a calorie maintenance and some deficits a lot of times? Like what is the general... It's up and down. Unjulated for the most part. Yeah. It's enough of a surplus to fuel hard workouts and deficits when the activity drops a little bit. That's all. You're just playing that balancing game. I mean, would you consider that? I mean, that's not a bad strategy to undulate it. Like even weekly where you're like, you're in a slight surplus for training days and then on off days you live in a deficit. I would do that. I would train a lot. And yeah. Oh, he's back. Can you hear us, Colin? Yeah, I can hear you. Sorry, I've been in and out. I apologize. No worries. No worries. You can listen to this later. You just answered the whole thing. We gave you a great answer. We actually told you the secret. I'm sure you did. I'm sure you did. Here at the end call it. Because you'll be able to replay this and we did kind of go over everything. I do want to ask you a question now that I have your line on the line. Sure. How tall are you? How much do you weigh? Five, 10, 200 pounds. Okay. So you're pretty muscular. Do you just build muscle on accident? Are you just like the super jack naturally guy or what? I've always been very strong. I think the reason I'm not into the big bulky look is because I feel kind of short. And so I want to carry a lot of strength and power, but I don't want to stack it on to a relatively short body. I guess. Yeah, but that doesn't answer the question. So the question I'm asking is, are you the kind of guy like you, have you always been like super genetically gifted? Like could you be a bodybuilder on accident if you tried? You touch weights and you just respond immediately. In weight, incredibly fast. I can put on weight, I can lose weight incredibly fast. I don't know if I could, without trying to become a bodybuilder, but I can very quickly manipulate my body, grow my legs, grow my arms if I zone in on something. Yeah. So the answer we gave earlier, really had it revolve around diet and just functional training. But I wouldn't skip any specific type of rep range because you're going to lose performance. Do you have map performance? I do not. Okay. We're going to get you that. That's the programming. So that's the programming. Totally. The short answer, since you probably missed what we said, is follow up programming, like map performance, underlate your calories. So have some days when you're in a surplus, have some days when you're in a deficit. That'll do it. I would most likely feed you when you're doing high performance days. So when you're... Your hard working days. Yeah, your foundational days. I would have you in a calorie surplus so you have a lot of energy for your workouts. Your mobility days and off days put you in a calorie deficit. That'll keep your weight down, keep you lean, but then also keep you really strong and feel for those workouts. Okay. And you don't think big bulky muscles will slow me down at all when I'm trying to perform in these different activities? No. Not unless you're training... You just maintain the skill of the fast movement. Yeah. Like there can be... Someone can be very big and very muscular, but extremely functional. Someone else can be very big and muscular, not very functional. It's really about how you train those muscles and how you move. It's not necessarily about the muscles themselves. Now, of course, we look at bodybuilders as this example, but that's extreme. That's extreme. If you build big muscles by training functional, they're going to be functional. Well, and a lot of times, they've cut out a lot of those athletic-type movements, and really that's what it is. You're not simultaneously training for both, which a lot of athletes... Yeah. You look at these specimens that are athletes. They've been... They're big and jacked, but they can move and be very explosive and move very fast. So you have to maintain that amount of skill simultaneous to your training. If you follow math performance the way it's laid out... You'll be fine. You'll be fine. And you just interrupt the training every once in a while with some low-calorie days to make sure you don't put on excessive weight. But even the weight you would put on from that program to the guy's point is going to be functional performance weight. It's going to be good muscle that's going to work the way you want to. And if it's not, then just going to cut for a little while. That's it. Follow that to a tee. Perfect. Awesome, guys. Thanks for coming, man. Hey, have a good one, guys. You too. Look, the thing people need to understand is that exercise is a skill. Athletic performance is a skill. It's all skills. So when you look... When people look at body builders and they say, oh, they're not good athletes. They're training for a different sport. A sport of bodybuilding. Very specified. When you see a bodybuilder in the gym, they're very good at the exercises that they perform. But that's what they're training. They're not training running. They're not training, you know, rotation explosive movement. They're not throwing a basketball or football or baseball. So they're not going to have those skills just like the guy on the street who doesn't have those skills. Training those skills and training to have skills, that's what you're going to adapt to. And that's what's going to make you prioritize. That's it. 100%. Our next caller is Carl Dean from Tennessee. Carl Dean. How can we help you? Is that your... That's not your home setup, is it? It is, yes. What? Holy cow. Sick gym. This was our COVID project. We spent our vacation money in 2020 building a home gym. Can I get a little... Can I get a little camera turn there? Can I see the whole thing? That thing looks awesome. That is sick. The hell you charge membership fees for that. Look, you just got a TV up out of the top two. That is badass. That's awesome. Wow. All right. Thank you. Super gym envy going on over here. Yeah. How can we help you? What's your question? So thank you guys for taking my call. And I know I've sent in quite a bit of detail in my question. So I'm just going to read an abbreviated version of what I sent in and then you guys can prompt me for any more details that are needed. So I started back weight training in 2020 during COVID. And since then, I've noticed a big disparity in being able to reach behind my back with my right arm versus my left. So I can easily reach behind my back and like touch my right shoulder with my left hand. But I can only reach about midway behind my back with my right hand. So at first this was primarily due to stiffness in the shoulder but it's becoming increasingly painful in the front of my shoulder over the last four to six months. And I have some mild pain on certain lifts but it does seem to be manageable as long as I don't apply too much intensity. So I've also been battling some medial epicondyle pain. So kind of the golfer's elbow type of thing in that right elbow as well for the last three years. And so I now suspect that that may be related to my shoulder pain as well. So I've been doing the stick, the mobility stick dislocates as a priming exercise at every workout. But I'm not sure but that's actually the best thing and what I should be doing for this or if there's maybe other things I should be doing. And at this point I'm also wondering if I should consider like BPC-157 but I did hear on one of your podcasts. I think it was probably the most recent episode with Dr. Seeds that the problem will come back if it's an issue that's caused by a poor movement pattern. So my question is which exercises from MAPS Prime and MAPS Prime Pro would you recommend for this front shoulder pain that happens when reaching behind my back or is there something else you would recommend? Real quick. Great question. Can you point to exactly where it hurts? Can you point to exactly where it hurts? Right here. So is it where your collar bone? Is it where the AC joint is? Do you know where the collar bone meets the shoulder? Yep. Can you palpate it like if you push on it does it hurt right there? Yes. Yeah. Okay. So it's not where the bicep to it. Yeah, that's your AC joint. Okay. So I want you to look up AC joint rehab movements because you might have some inflammation or maybe did you have an injury? Did you actually hurt it or is it just over time? So it really just started coming on over time. I did have an accident a horseback riding accident back in July fell off and actually landed on that same shoulder. Yeah. And it got worse after that accident, but now that is 95% plus recovered. And so it's really back to the baseline kind of where it was before that accident happened. Did you separate it a little bit? Yeah. So you're pointing to your acromioclavicular joint AC joint. So where the clavicle meets the shoulder. And so there might be some here's what happens with your recruitment patterns. You get some pain. Your recruitment patterns change. And so now the way you move is causing issues in other areas like your elbow. So this would be something I would work with a movement specialist over. Now there's lots of mobility movements you can do. The problem is I can't watch you do them. And so you might perform them in a way to where they're not going to be necessarily beneficial. Which is by the way why doing shoulder dislocates may not really be improving for you is like you may not be able to do it. But every time you go over your the side that you have pain in is moving differently than it should be to help you. And so you're not really getting a lot of maybe relief maybe warms up a little bit. But to Sal's point if I can't be there to kind of correct when I see it like oh see that right there how we're elevating. I need you to press that while we do that. We need to be able spot the compensations as they occur. So that way yeah we could make those little micro adjustments in the way that you're bracing your shoulder. So I'm assuming bench press probably hurts at the most. Or also bent over rows. Bent over rows interesting. Yeah so your shoulder is probably coming forward when you're rolling when you're rolling. Yeah so I would work on in prime pro scapular so there's two sections for the shoulder there's like shoulder movements and then scapular movements I believe or circles I would work on scapular movements I would also work with a movement specialist or a physical therapist and let them know I have AC joint pain they'll do further assessments to identify what's going on because it's going to be a little bit more specific and specialized. But I really think that three to five sessions with a specialist will give you enough direction to like so it's not like you need to make a crazy investment have one with you forever just it'd be just like being one of us to be there with you to kind of go through and go okay this is what we need here's the few things like the type of person that would be disciplined to follow through on it like that would be worth the investment to go see someone three to five times and then have them do a little bit of work on you show you what you show you how you need to move when you're doing these exercises and then you and then you'll probably be alright as long as you stick to it. Now BPC would definitely help but I would you still need to do the do it in conjunction with movement and rehab so BPC is good for healing it's not like a cortisone shot inflammation it'll speed up the process if you combine that with the rehab it should help quite a bit. Okay so is this something that I need to go like to my general practitioner and ask for a recommendation to a physical therapist or is this something I can how do I get in touch with the right type of person? Yeah, yeah are you in our private forum? I am, yes. Okay, so yeah so I want you to tag Dr. Justin Brink and ask him for a referral I bet he's got he'll know who to reach out to out there better than even we will. Yeah and then the BPC it's unlikely we also by the way might be able to give you some video consultation that might be good enough for sure will if you can work with him he's the best now the the BPC it's unlikely your general practitioner will even know what it is but you do there are doctors that do work with peptides so you can go to mphormones.com and consult with them and they'll set you do this the movement specialist is like you said you hit it already like that if you don't address the root cause it'll it's just like putting a bandaid on it but it will help while you're doing it but make sure and Brinks in there so he'll he might even be able to do this video with you Oh perfect. Okay. Awesome. Yeah. You're on the right track though. You're going to be good and you got an amazing gym. Yeah. Thank you. So my husband did most of this work is he a contractor? Is he a contractor? Is that what he does for a living? Is he in the space? Yeah. He's electrical. Okay. Wow. Yeah. He's in the space. So yeah. That's awesome. Well tell him great job. Yeah. Very nice job. All right. I will. Hey guys if I can just share with you a quick a quick thank you so you know I hear you guys talk a lot about how sometimes it feels like you know you're fighting the good fight I first found you guys I heard say a couple of times on Mike Matthews the second time was actually his interview about the resistance training revolution. So I immediately went out and preordered it from audible and from there on I was hooked and so thanks to you guys my 18 year old son is now running a version of anabolic he's a regular listener last year he did his school entrepreneurship case study on mine pump so you guys are reaching the next generation there they can make a difference you're getting them that's awesome that's awesome thanks for sharing that yeah thank you all right thank you so much guys appreciate it look for you in the private forum thank you girl thank you I'm jealous that's a great tip I love when I love when clients are like this detail you know what I'm saying like she sent I don't know if we will put this on the YouTube or not but she sent like pictures of right where the pain is she's showing us I've not seen that I would have thought bicep tendon inflammation when people say front shoulder but that's the AC I had AC joint separation that happened to you I did the whole core zone shot didn't listen oh you did the core zone shot well yeah and that's why I had to get it resected they had to go in surgically so now my left shoulder is never going to be as stable as my right because I don't have an AC joint on that side I mean it's a common one it's common in football because they hit with their shoulder or it's like that's totally what happened though she fell off her horse and that's what happened right I mean it's almost certain that was the injury she healed from it so she thought she was better but it forever changed her recruitment pattern so now she just needs to work on that before she does all these shoulder cars and like you know controlled particular rotations it's important that she knows can you do handcuff with rotations or is that no I can you can yeah but I noticed my left I mean I made up a lot of the stabilization because of you know I've built strength in certain ways that it's like 95% I don't think I'll ever get to 100% our next caller is Spencer from Canada hey Spencer how can we help you hey guys how's it going good so I guess my main question here is related to barefoot lifting I know you guys talked about it in a few previous episodes but I'm just wondering if there's ever a point where barefoot lifting could be bad for the ankles and feet if you were to lift enough weight so to give you a bit of background I've been lifting for almost 10 years since I was about 13 I'm 22 now and I for the past 6 or 7 years I've only lifted barefoot for legs and stuff and I'm just wondering if deadlifts in like the 400s and 500s for well I'm not that big I'm about 55 weigh about 130 pounds and I want to get up to a 405 deadlift and I don't use any belts or any other gear but I'm just wondering like eventually gets to a point where it's too much weight for the feet and ankles or if wearing shoes would be better for that kind of stuff not if you do it it's not giving you that much support it's like this look let me reword the question so you can understand what it sounds like it's like okay hey guys I love to do heavy barbell rows is there going to be a weight that I'm going to use that's going to be too much and maybe hurt my hands or is there a weight that's going to be too much that's going to hurt my shoulder there's always potential weak links beyond the weak link and hurt yourself but there's nothing unique about the feet or the ankles where we need to be especially scared of training them the reason why this can be an issue with people is they always wear shoes and they always train in a particular way but no I mean you can lift too heavy for your back or for your shoulder or for your pack too as long as you train properly you're totally fine the only difference would be if you were to wear shoes the whole time and all of a sudden and lift heavy and on top of that not have that stable support system you've built through the strength of your feet so you've already sounds like you've been training this way for quite a long time so I don't see any I was also just wondering because this isn't quite related to it the last I haven't tried any heavy singles on squats and deadlifts in many months but a while ago like the past few times I got to the end of strength phases I ended up hurting my right foot one time was I fractured it break dancing and then the second time is I was trail running and I sprained my ankle so they weren't related to lifting at all because I hurt the ankle or the foot I couldn't go for like the heavy maxes anymore and then that started to make me wonder I wonder if like there's a point where lifting barefoot is too much but like you said it sounds like that's not really Have you noticed any compensations or anything like have you done any sort of unilateral training for a bit maybe some underlying compensations you have because of those injuries I found the the fractured foot that recovered pretty well that was more just like foot hitting the ground too much the sprained ankle is I am still like slowly going through that now but I do quite a bit of single leg stuff anyways like I find most of my single leg lifts are actually like a lot better than what I would expect compared to my strength on bilateral exercises so I don't think there's really too much of an issue there it was just an unfortunate like rock on the trail and stuff like that that sent the ankle off and so I mean injuries injuries happen when we move beyond our capacity to stabilize and support what we're doing and that can happen in any part of your body feet ankles back could happen your knee could happen any moving part of the ankle where we need to be very careful it's just that people always train with their it was where shoes all the time and so that's when it can become a problem it's like if you always lifted with a belt then you took the belt off you would have like an instability in your low back and core because you've always relied on a belt so and the truth is that makes a lot of sense even though you rolled stronger feet and ankles in the average person oh yeah yeah I know other people who've rolled their ankles on steps and they ended up tearing ligaments and stuff I was going pretty fast down the mountain and I ended up just walking back down I didn't even think it was that bad like none of my injuries have been too severe considering you're doing the right thing bro you guys and being doing that for a couple of years now now I have my own studio as well and you guys are really what inspired me to get into personal training in the first place hell yeah that's rad man good job is that a Bob Ross painting behind you by chance Bob Ross this is probably too young for Bob Ross that's P. Black when we're done you can google Bob Ross and see what's going on yeah no I know Bob Ross he's been in needs I've seen at least the memes still keep him alive good awesome thanks for calling me man yeah thanks so much see you buddy alright buddy this is no different than the we used to get this a lot back in the day maybe not so much anymore but I would get people who are like oh you lift weights you should need to wear a belt if you don't wear a belt you're going to hurt yourself there's nothing particular about a particular or special about particular parts of the body it's just there are weak links and if you train beyond the capacity the injury potential goes out you'll know that limitation right away that's right I mean Justin brought up the one good point though I think that and I remember even though it's not common I would see someone do this like with the maybe dead lifting or squatting but I do remember when like the whole barefoot thing got really popular and all of a sudden you'd have somebody who's never one from zero to 60 yeah then all of a sudden they're running it running a mile and barefoot or some of that like that would be a bad idea like if you've never trained barefoot like this who's been lifting barefoot for the last couple years seven years is it seven years seven years and he's been progressing the way I mean that's fine yeah you're good super comfortable with it look if you like mind pump head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out some of our fitness guides they're free you can download all of them you can also find all of us on social media Justin is on Instagram mind pump Justin I'm on Instagram at mind pump to Stefano and Adam is on Instagram