 Welcome back. This is Still Why in the Morning. Thank you for staying with us. I'm Stephanie Ayeta and we are on to our first conversation of the day. Remember, you can still talk to us at Y254 channel and answer the question we have asked you today. That is, what are some of your expectations for this year? And in line with that, we have tailored our conversation around that. I want to tell you about planning and pursuing visions. And for that, we have been joined by Mr. Kylian Amolo, who is a lecturer, consultant and researcher. Can you present a Kylian? Thank you. Glad to have you with us. Glad to be here as well. All right. So it's the beginning of the year and people have plans for the year, at least resolution. And I don't know if resolution is the same as having a vision because some people say, I don't have a resolution. I have a plan. So is this the same thing? We can start from there. A resolution is not necessarily the same as a vision because a resolution is what you are deciding to do as of now. It's to do with the present. What you are doing now that will gauge some outcomes in the future. But when you are planning, you are basically forecasting. You are making projections about the future. Planning entails looking at the present situation and seeing where you want to be in the future. And you work backwards to see what you can do today to enable you to reach there in the future. And because of that, plans are normally futuristic in nature. So plans are futuristic. So there is a difference between resolution and having a plan. That's a vision. So which one should someone have as they start the year? Do you have both of them or do you just work on your vision? As the saying goes, a failing to plan means planning to fail. People make declarations. People make resolutions during year out. At the end of the year, you realize that you are still at the same point you were in the previous year because you never had a plan for the same. So that's the key to planning? Correct. Planning actually supersedes everything else. So the implications of not planning is failing? Correct. Planning to fail? Correct. Because even at the end of the period, when you want to evaluate yourself, you evaluate yourself against the plans you had made earlier. So the plans provide a standard or a yardstick against which to evaluate yourself whether you have achieved or not. So in the absence of a plan, you have nothing to gauge yourself. Yes. To find out whether you are going somewhere or not. So that means you're just going through the motions of life. Correct. Without having a plan. Correct. Now before we get into the planning bit of it and how to plan, let's talk about the dream between a dream and a vision. Someone told me that there's a difference between the two. Having a dream and having a vision, again, explain to us the difference between the two. The difference between a dream and a vision. A dream is something that is still here and has not been actualized. Something that is in the mind. Something that you are intending. Something that is still cooking. Something that you are creatively thinking about in your mind. Now this dream is made closer to reality by converting it into a vision. You make it to become closer to reality by making it to be a vision. That means you want to allocate yourself a time frame in the future. You know a dream still remains a pipe. It still remains vague because there is no time frame that has been allocated towards its implementation or its achievement. But when you are talking about a vision, you may want to give yourself a time frame. But I want to be here, say 10 years or 20 years from today. All right. So the difference is the time frame and the implementation bit of it. All right. So let us now start with the planning. For someone who just wants to plan for the future, have a vision, but they don't know where to start. Correct. Give us a picture. The starting point in the planning process is understanding of where you are. Understanding where you are. Where you are. And that means you have to do a self-audit. And this is also what is normally referred to as a SWOT analysis. The acronym SWOT stands for Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities and Threats. You have to begin by understanding what are your strengths as a person. My strengths and your strengths will not be the same. And because of that, the way I do the planning will not be the same way you do yours. Because I'm supposed to begin by understanding my own internal strengths and capabilities. And they use the same to pursue external opportunities. Okay. So before I begin by looking outside there for opportunities that are available for me, I have to begin by understanding myself from within. Okay. Your internal capabilities are able to go for the external opportunity. Correct. Amazing. Yeah. So what are my internal capabilities? What are my strengths? I may be intending, for example, 20 years from today, or let's be a bit practical, five years from today to be a medical doctor, for example. Do I have the internal strengths and capabilities to enable me to become a medical doctor, for example? You know, most people want to become a particular, a particular, to have a particular career after some time, say time X. But do I have what it takes to go into that particular career, for example? That means I'm looking at my own unique strengths, my own internal capabilities. Do I have what it takes to pursue that path that I'm talking about pursuing? So that is normally the starting point in the planning process. Then after you have done your own self-assessment or your own sort analysis, where do you want to be? That is now where the vision comes in. What is your future identity? Remember, there is a gap between where you are now and where you want to be in the future. Five years from today. So after you have identified where you want to be, in terms of what, in terms of when, in terms of where, where do you want to be in the future? And you have even allocated a time frame. Then it comes in what you need to do to bridge the gap between the two, because there is a gap between where you are and where you want to be. Okay. All right. So you need to do a SWAT analysis fast. Yes, fast. So what next after that? After you've done your own SWAT analysis and you have known where you want to be, which is the vision now. You have known your future identity. A vision is defined as a mental picture of the reality. And it gives a future identity, either at a personal level or for an organization. Where do you see yourself in the future? You need to define that. And at the moment you have defined where you want to be in the future, you need to begin by working today. Because most of us, we always say that I want to be this after five years. I want to be that after 10 years. I want to be this. Then you do nothing about it today. That means that after you have talked about what ought to happen in five years, you need to understand what needs to have been done in the next two to five years. Because if you can know what you need to have done in the next two to five years, it will be like a stepping stone towards achieving the five year plan. And that means after two years, you will be in a position to say that, yes, look, I am on track towards achieving what I wanted to be in a five year period. And after you have known what you need to have done in the next two to three years, you have to know what you need to do now. Or what you need to achieve within the next five years, the next one year. In other words, I am just talking about the hierarchy of planning. You need to break it down in terms of strategic or long-term plans and then come to what needs to be done in the midterm and what needs to be done now. Because when most people fail because they do nothing about what ought to be done today. Okay, so you are saying one can have a plan but they do nothing about it. So it is as good as dead. As good as dead. So now it is the strategies that you need to have in place in order to accomplish that. And you have talked about the short-term, mid-term and long-term goals. So how do you identify this and how do you prioritize things? Because you might have a big vision but how do you prioritize things? How do you prioritize your vision? Still we talked about earlier on doing a SWOT analysis. You have done your own SWOT analysis. You know your own internal strengths and capabilities. And then you look around, you've looked around and you've seen the opportunities that are available there in the market. The opportunities that are available in the environment in which you are the planning environment. You've seen the opportunities that are available there. So what happens is that you are supposed to not force things. There will be an automatic match between the opportunities and the strengths. There will be an automatic match between the two. And that will help you to realize that this is what I need to put. The strengths actually, this priority comes in the strength areas. Even the weaknesses, remember weakness is something that is within your control. And you can work on them and convert them to strengths. So that you have as many strengths as possible. So now what happens when people have goals and visions and they actually don't... Most people come up with resolutions at the start of the year. And by the second month or the third month, they don't have anything. They don't even remember what they had set out. So what is the problem? The problem here, you know a plan is like a roadmap of where you want to go. You may set that for example you want to go to Kisumu from here. There are several ways of reaching there. You can go by air, you can go by road, you can go through the rails. There are several ways of getting there. So if you just say that you want to go to Kisumu, let's say in two days' time, and you have not allocated the how of reaching Kisumu, you realize that chances are that you will not go there. In the same way, most people plan but they don't have a strategy of how to execute these plans. The strategy here is talking about how to bridge the gap between the present and the future. You are here today, you have seen where you want to go. How will you get there? The how of getting there now is your strategy. What are the actions that you want to execute to ensure that you reach there? So if you want your plans to become a reality, ensure that in terms of your implementation you have the action plans. What is this that I must do? And in terms of these action plans, you have to allocate some objectives that within this time frame I ought to have done this. You have to allocate yourself objectives. And these objectives need to be very smart. Smart here also is an acronym for specific. How smart are the objectives? Give us an example. As here stands for specific, the objectives ought not to be vague. They have to be very, very specific about, for example, we are going to Kisumu, right? What objective, how are you going to get there? You have to be specific. I want to use a vehicle, for example, right? Objectives need to be very specific in the same way. Not vague, not general, but very, very specific. M here stands for measurable. At the end of the day, there has to be a way of evaluating whether you have achieved these plans or not. In that context, your objectives need to be very measurable. So you need to go back at the end of the, you know, at the end of the time, maybe at the end of the year and check if you are able to achieve it. Correct. And that is what most of us never do when we make our resolutions. We don't go back to see whether we achieved them or not. Okay. Yeah, because when you are doing a self-evaluation at the start of the planning horizon, you are also supposed to find out what went wrong in the previous planning cycle so that you don't repeat that cycle of mistakes. All right. Yeah, so measurable. M here, these objectives need to be achievable. You know, at times we make objectives which can never be achieved. You know, but we're all dream big. It's free to dream, you know. Correct. So why achievable? And how achievable should achievable be? Yeah, you know your strengths at the end of the day. You know what you can do and what you cannot do. Though there are things that you can improve on as you convert your weaknesses into strengths. So when you are setting your objectives, you need to ask yourself, can I do this? That is the starting point. Because if you cannot do something, it means it cannot never be achievable. Is it something that you can do? Do you have the capacity to do it? If it is, I mean, pursuing a particular course, do you have the technical capacity to pursue? To pursue it. To pursue it. That is what we mean by having something that is achievable. Right? If you are here, it must be realistic. Realistic. Very close to achievable. It has to be very, very realistic. You know, dreaming big is good. Right? But be realistic. Be realistic as you dream big. And tea here is time bound. You have to allocate yourself a time frame. So that you don't just talk about, oh, I will go to Kisumu. Here in here out, oh, I will go to Kisumu. And you end up not going there. You need to know by this time, I need to have gone to Kisumu. Correct, correct. And what is the importance of putting this down? You know, it's easy to know that I have a plan by May. I want to go to Kisumu by, you know, November. I want to have bought a car. And what, you know, you have it in your mind. But what's the importance of putting it down if it's important? The importance of putting something up, planned down. You know, we are human beings. And there are so many things in our minds. And something that you have not put down, number one, you will easily forget about it. You will easily throw it outside the window. So the moment you put it down, and you put it in a place that you can easily remember and remind yourself that it is this thing that I have to do, you will always have it at a point of reference. So putting a planning, a plan down helps. Number one, to motivate you as a person. You will be motivated because you already know where you are going. You know, having someone who knows where they are going and having someone who is lost, the person who is lost will be so devastated, will be so discouraged in life and so on. But this person who knows where they are going, they will be motivated and put there all to ensure that they reach there. So you need to have it down in a place where you can see it so that you can motivate you. Correct. It motivates you, right? And then, number two, it reminds you. Each and every time you look at it, you get reminded that this is what I'm supposed to be doing. You will be seeing whether you are deviating or you are still on track towards going there so that you don't have to wait until the end of another planning period to look back and say that you went off track. So when you look at it consistently, you get reminded before you deviate too much and you go back to the original plan. So it serves as a guide. It serves as a guide, correct. All right. And the tools nowadays or at least in the digital space, people can do their vision board and do you advise for that the online platform having it digitally or is it... Correct. You can have it digitally, online and set a reminder. Every other time. Every other time. It will be reminding you that actually you will be in the planning horizon after you put your objectives. There will be specific activities that you will be doing geared towards achieving your plans. So those specific activities, you need to allocate them a timeframe on your reminder so that when it reaches a particular point you get a reminder that you are supposed to be doing this activity. And then you do it. Next time a different activity. Next time a different activity because it's a sequence of events, the completion of one activity triggers the beginning of the next one. So do they need to also be in... Is it a chronological order or in order at least for you to finish one because someone can have multiple things that they have allocated at the same time maybe in a month's time. You want to enroll in a course. You want to do this and that. So what is the importance of giving each its own time? The importance of giving each its own time depends on so many factors. Number one, the financial resources that you have. If you have the financial resources that can enable you to have some plans going concurrently, that is OK. And if you also have the time, we are talking about the financial resources and the time to enable you to do those activities concurrently that can work. However, in most instances you realize that you have so many activities that you want to do. But very little time or realistically very little financial resources. So this is where you need to prioritize and drop some activities and concentrate on those that are deemed to be more pressing. Yeah. OK. So when do you know that I need to quit on this, I need to drop because sometimes you hold on to something so much and you really want to do it but it's not achievable at least at least not that particular time and you focus on the others. What normally happens is that when you are planning you need to not do it in a hurry. You need to have all the time and incorporate everything in your plans. So when you are doing some activities and you realize that this particular activity was not in the original what? In the original plan. That means you have already started deviating. OK. Yeah. So you need to stick to the plan. You need to stick to the plan. OK. And you know, sometimes you set up with a good plan, you have a good plan, you have tried but things maybe are not working. Correct. And you decide to just give up on it at the end of the day. So what do you say to that? Instead of giving up, I would like to advise our listeners is that our environment is very dynamic. Things keep changing. You might want to do this and then after that you remember like 2020 who knew that COVID would be there. No one. No one knew that it would be there. And it affected so many people who are in respective almost all industries who are affected in one way or another. So given that situation now, we understand the fact that the environment keeps on changing. Now because of that, you also need to have a plan that is flexible enough to accommodate those unforeseen occurrences. Yeah. So that when things change, you also have some slight flexibility to adjust your plan here and there. OK. Yeah. And for the vision, because we want to get into now pursuing the vision, who needs to have this vision? Because some people they think, I'm too young, why do I need a vision? I'm still in high school because we have a young audience also. So I'm still in high school. I'm not working. I'm not looking to go into a course yet. So who needs to plan? This vision or of planning, everyone needs a vision irrespective of your age. Actually that young person even needs it more than that person who has come of age. This person who is saying that I'm still young, I'm still in college. Yes, you are in college. But remember as we started, a vision is futuristic in nature. OK. And a vision is where you see yourself several years from today, not even today. So you are in school years, but you need to begin envisioning where you see yourself in the future. OK. You need to begin imagining the kind of career that you want to settle in the future. You need to begin imagining the kind of life that you want to live in the future. You want to begin imagining the kind of investments that you want to have in the future. So age is not an excuse. Or being in school is not an excuse for not having a vision. A vision. Everyone needs to have one. OK. And now for parents, you know, nurturing young kids or the young parents, what do they need to do to ensure that the young ones are also growing with this mindset because it all starts with the mindset and it's easier to adapt it when you are at a young age, maybe in high school, primary school, the little things. How do they inculcate this? I want to urge the parents, number one, to begin by helping the young kids to understand themselves. OK. To do a self-assessment or self-awareness. This is where everything begins. Understand yourself. After you've understood yourself, you'll be in a position to know your strengths. So the parents need to help their children to know their strengths, to know their weaknesses, and what they can do to convert these weaknesses into strengths. And based on these strengths, they can offer the requisite advice that my son or my daughter, based on what is the reality on the ground, I see you more likely to succeed in this direction. You get that? So the starting point is to do a self-assessment for these children and to help them understand their strengths and even their weaknesses. And even to help them to build on their weaknesses because parents are supposed to be the ones providing an enabling environment. And even to show them using their own strengths and even to teach them using their own weaknesses, they say that experience is the best teacher. So most parents need to be sincere enough with their children and say that, because you know most of us parents, we never admit that we make mistakes. Yeah, you're perfect. We are always perfect. And most of us even lie to our children that you know I was always number one in school. Yeah, you only used to get ears. Correct. Well, this is not the reality. Yeah, so you need to be sincere in talking out with your children. If you're not living a life that you had wanted to live, tell them that, yes, we are living well, but this is not what I anticipated to have. Because somewhere down the line, I did this, this and that, that made me to deviate from my plans and I'm living in a lot of regret. So this is the role that parents need to be open and talk about with their children. All right. So and what areas should one have the vision around? Because when you talk about vision, it's easy to just think of the career and where you want to be in the next 10 years, what you want to achieve. What areas, apart from career, that you need to have? This thing is multifaceted. Almost all aspects of our lives, you need to have a vision. Okay. Not just career-wise. What areas do you need to have a vision? You need to have a vision. In terms of career, we've talked about in terms of investments. Yeah, because this is different from career. Yes, you are employed, yes. For example, you have a good career, but what happens if there is a COVID somewhere and you are sent home? Exactly. Right? So that means there is need for contingency planning. You are here, the career is working always well, but what if? Things shift. Correct. So because of that, there is need for investment. So you need to have a plan for investment. When do you want these investments to be in place? What are you going to do to ensure that these investments become a reality in the future? Okay. Right? How are you going to finance these investments? Yeah. So that when you come of age or when you retire, actually many people from statistics, many people die immediately after retirement. Because they didn't have a plan? Because they didn't have a plan, they didn't have any investments. They become so frustrated and some of them, they end up squandering their terminal or retirement benefits immediately so that they are left being like social rejects and they end up dying miserably. So to avoid all this, you can plan for your retirement. You can have a plan also for retirement. Yeah. Right. And what about in the areas of health, in the areas of family because you've said it's multifaceted? Correct. Correct. And people are going through a lot of very mental issues. Correct. How do you ensure that you want to purpose to be this in terms of your health and all that? Correct. You can plan in terms of a family. Here we are talking about number one. But this one, it might be a bit difficult to do as an individual. Right? You need it. Because a family involves several people. Right? I may want this, you want, let's talk about now the two of us. I want this and you want that, isn't it? Yes. So when we come together, you know we have to agree as a family to plan together. You compromise and then we take this. Correct. And find a road together as a family. So that is the essence of planning as a family. You have to agree on the family size. Mm-hmm. You have to agree also, even the spacing is also important. Okay. Yeah. You need to agree on the family resources that you envision yourselves having in the future. Okay. Yeah. And even in terms of health, like you are talking about, you need to plan for all this. Okay. Yeah. And what about, you know, you have mentioned that for that you need two people. Correct. And I've been reminded about accountability. So you have a vision. Correct. You have a vision. But what is the importance of having someone to keep you accountable? Correct. It is always good to have this plan to share it with someone. Someone that someone who believes in what you are doing. Not someone who will discourage you. Mm-hmm. Because there are people that, like I remember the case of the biblical, Joseph, who had a vision, who had a dream and shared it with his immediate siblings including the parents. Mm-hmm. And they did not take it lightly. They did not like it. They sold him. Yeah. So in the same way, you might tell someone about your vision and then this person does not like it. And what they will do is to discourage you and discourage you until you can really do it. Mm-hmm. Right? Yes. I remember there was a time, I'm sorry to say this, I told someone somewhere what I intended to do in life. Mm-hmm. And this person reminded me, but you don't come from a family where people have done this before. That I can never succeed because no one succeeded in my family. Mm-hmm. You get that? Okay. So people like that, you don't even talk to them again about your vision or what you intend to do. Okay. You will look for someone who believes in what you are doing, someone who will support what you are doing, who will give you that moral support, who will give you a pat on the back and congratulate you when things are working. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that is the person you need to go to for accountability or someone who has already succeeded in a particular field that you are going through. A mentor. You know, people, yeah, people are always motivated by the success stories of other people. Mm-hmm. So when you can go to that person as a mentor and this person is willing to accept to work with you in the journey, that is okay. Talk to us a little bit about mentorship. What is the importance of having a mentor in attaining your goals? Why is it key? The importance of having a mentor, number one, is accountability, like we mentioned. Mm-hmm. First, be accountable. That is number one. Mm-hmm. Number two, this mentor will give you a direction, will give you leadership. And remember, this is someone who is not just talking about what you are going to do, but is telling you what he has done and has worked for him. Mm-hmm. Right? So this person will be telling you how practical it is for your ideas to work and how these ideas have worked or failed for him. Another importance of having a mentor is that this person will tell you that this one cannot work. Because maybe he has tried it in the past and it has done what? He has failed. Yeah. And maybe because of being ahead of you, probably also by age and so many other things, this person knows about what has happened elsewhere in other parts of the world. Mm-hmm. Probably more exposed than you are. Right. So this person will be telling you from experience. So your work will be much easier because the chances of making mistakes will be minimized. All right. When you have a mentor. Amazing. So it's very important to have a mentor. Correct. What about a career coach? It's also ways to have a career coach. Mm-hmm. I agree with you. And have a coach. For example, you know, different careers have got different structures. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Have a coach who understands the particular career. That's right. That you are in. Or that you intend to go in. Mm-hmm. And preferably someone who is already in that career. In that career. Yes. Amazing. Because this person will be very, very practical with you and will tell you what has worked for them. Okay. Yeah. So now going back to accountability and you've spoken about having the right person to share it with, what about having the right company in your journey because it's life. You're meeting new people every day. Correct. Correct. You're meeting new people to just poison you and poison your mind. Correct. You had that good mindset. So what's the importance of having the right company? The importance of having the right company is that you will always have positive people around you. Mm-hmm. If you have the right company, these people will be positive. And everything they are telling you, they will not be aiming at discouraging you, but encouraging you. Despite, these people will know your weaknesses. Yes. But they will tell you that despite these weaknesses, just work on these. And things will work out for you. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So have the right company. I'm still insisting on the word right company. The right company. Yeah. Yeah. Because there are people who will mislead you, not even mislead you. They will see things going bad, but they keep quiet. Mm-hmm. After they have kept quiet, then they begin saying Kimeoma. Kimeoma. Kimeoma. Kimeoma. Correct. Yeah. So it's good to have people that will correct you. Correct. People who will correct you, rebuke you. People who will celebrate with you. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Actually, the people to keep around you are the people who will celebrate when you are celebrating. Mm-hmm. Not people who will moan because you are celebrating. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Okay. And there's something that I saw about dealing, at least with pressures, protecting mental health, but maintaining a zeal to pursue vision no matter what. And there was a plan, you know, set out, at least, I don't know if you agree with this, something about taking, or just having a, it's like a sheet, just to say, my wins for today, my failures for today, what can I improve on? Correct. You know, something of that sort. What needs to be done just to protect yourself in your past, you for vision. That is okay. Yeah, that is okay. And again, what I would like to tell my viewers is that most people live in denial. Mm-hmm. And they don't want to accept that they have weaknesses. You know, we are human beings. Mm-hmm. And by human nature, we have our own strengths and weaknesses. Mm-hmm. And remember, a weakness remains a weakness. Number one, if you don't know that it is a weakness. Mm-hmm. And number two, if you are doing nothing about it, maybe you know that it's a weakness, but there is nothing you are doing about it. Mm-hmm. So if you have a checklist of your strengths, what is working for you and what is not working for you. Mm-hmm. Trust me, everything will be well for you. Mm-hmm. And because you will concentrate on what is working for you and also do something about what is not working to make them begin to work. Mm-hmm. Okay. Because you will begin to ask yourself, why is this not working? Mm-hmm. Because that is where most of us go wrong. You know that something is not working, but you are not interrogating. Why? Further to find out why it is not working. Okay. Yeah. So you need to dig deeper. You need to dig deeper. All right. To find out why it's not working. Mm-hmm. Well, I have learned that when I experience growth personally, it is often followed by a breakthrough professionally. The lesson work harder on you than your job. When you have the experience, I will take it again. Over my career, I have learned that when I experience growth personally, it is often followed by a breakthrough professionally. Correct. So they're saying that you work on you and then work on yourself harder than you do on your job. When you work on yourself, there will be some self-fulfillment. Mm-hmm. And when you have that self-fulfillment, the motivation to work on your profession will be there. Okay. Because the motivation is coming from within. Mm-hmm. Do you know that things that you are told to do by someone else, you feel so bad. Mm-hmm. But something that you feel the push from inside to do. Yes. You feel so excited about it. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So when you are working. Okay. Yeah. And what about, I think that's also in the area of personal development. So in still in line with this pursuing vision, how do you need to develop yourself personally? How you need to develop yourself personally in your career or yeah, let's say for example in your career, begin by identifying where you are. Right. Mm-hmm. Yes, it could be a managerial career job. Yes. But there is there are different levels of management. Mm-hmm. We have the line or lower management, the middle and then the top management. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So depending on the level where you are and then identify where you want to be, then there is a gap, right? Yeah. So what do I need to do to get there? So you begin to develop yourself. You'll begin to ask yourself what skills enable me to get there so that you begin to develop yourself in those skills. Mm-hmm. So that is the breaking down that you were talking about. Correct. So this is where you want to be. Correct. Then you align yourself with the skills that you need. And what is the difference between someone, again, I think you mentioned this, what is the difference between someone who has this and is intentional about pursuing it and someone else who is just there and waiting for life to come and the difference between the two is that you realize there are people who move very fast in their careers upward mobility in terms of promotions. And yet you'll find that someone has been employed for a long time just doing the same role because they never taken, they never took that personal initiative to develop themselves. Okay. Yeah. The labor market is becoming so competitive. We have so many graduates coming out of each and every other time. Mm-hmm. And that means to keep pace with the increasing supply of labor, you need to continually develop your skills. Mm-hmm. You need to think out of the box. You need to look out of there and find out that, yes, what do I need to do now to position myself? Yes, I already have the experience that puts me ahead of those who are coming from the universities. Mm-hmm. But what else do I need? Because suppose you are five people with you. Yes. And we all have a 15 years experience. Mm-hmm. And we are five of us. And this interview has been done comparatively without any vested interests. Mm-hmm. There must be a particular criteria that will be used to settle on one person. That criteria that will be used to settle on one person is what this person did in terms of their skillsets that the others did not do. The extra factor. Correct. That extra factor. Amazing. So it will give an extra factor in your career. Okay. And what else do you need in this journey of pursuing your vision from all I have mentioned? What else, maybe something I have not mentioned, what else do you need to carry with you? What you need to carry with you in pursuing your vision? Your vision? Mm-hmm. Or we have talked about goals. Uh-huh. What you need again, we talked about plans earlier. Right? And we need also to talk about just to mention about goals briefly. Right? Mm-hmm. When you are talking about planning, you are talking about where you want to go. Yeah. They are a bit broad and they are a bit long-term. But now the actions that are going to take place here are what is referred to as the outcomes that you will need to come out of this. We are talking about the goals here. Okay. Yeah. What are the goals? Yes. I want to be there. That is the direction I want, right? Mm-hmm. So, but what are the outcomes that I that I should want from being there? Mm-hmm. Yeah. So what kind of goals should you have? Are they like general or at least something that we share in common or is it also specific to you? Now in terms of a career we are talking about the goals in your career, right? Mm-hmm. Maybe you want to become a senior manager in a particular profession, right? Mm-hmm. And you know what it takes to become a senior manager. You're already in middle management, right? Mm-hmm. So what you need to do, like for example in the next two years. Okay. Right? What actions do you have to have taken in the next two years that will position you right? That means you'll begin to think about maybe pursuing a course for example. You will need to talk about maybe becoming a member of a particular professional body. Okay. For example, right? Now those are the goals you're talking about here. When you allocate yourself a time frame. When because when you go to a particular each professional body has got its own prerequisites for joining. Yeah. And how long do you plan for finances? Because this is also a key aspect in accomplishing all that you've had in your plan. So how do you plan for your finances to fit the vision that you have? Correct. When you're planning for your finances, you need to have the vision in the first place because the financial planning actually facilitates what you are planning to do at the end of the day, how to be quantified. All those activities that you are supposed to be doing, they have financial implications. So you lease the activities that you are supposed to do and even when, because all of them are not going to be done now, there are things that you'll do today, there are things that you'll do after one year, there are things that you'll do after five years. And as I was mentioning earlier, the completion of one activity triggers the beginning of another. So depending on that, you will allocate yourself a budget. The activities, the way they follow each other. So that you don't start, you know, most people start by thinking only of the present activity. But they never think of the next. Think about the whole picture in terms of all the activities until the completion of your vision and then have an overall what? Official estimates you can now break it down. Okay. Yeah. And what should keep you motivated as you have your vision? What would you advise just someone what should keep one motivated as they pursue their vision? What keeps someone motivated is seeing yourself there. I always tell people when you are working that the motivation to work, if you are working and you feel so low, right? Think about the payday, it will give you enough motivation to work. Yeah. Okay. In the same way if you have a vision and you feel like so discouraged, you feel like will I ever reach there? Begin to see yourself being there. Begin imagining yourself being there. Just imagine the feeling of being there. It will give you the motivation to work hard to be there. Okay. Look at the people who have ever been there and begin to work hard to ensure that you get there. So it's also okay to have online mentors, people that you can't reach, but you can watch them and see what they've done. All right. Amazing. And now what is the main take? As we come to a close on this conversation, what is the main take for all this planning and pursuing vision? What is the main take? What should you do to understand what are the characteristics and what are the main characteristics? Number one, it's good for people to understand that without a plan, you are doomed to fail because you will just be rotating like this because you don't have a direction. That is the first thing that is good to understand. Number two, the plan tells you whether you are doing it or not. the gap between now and then and then finally it is good to have a vision always think of where you want to be no matter how hard the things are think about where you want to be because whoever will change that's body situation is you and not any other person and this body situation will only change if you begin thinking about yourself differently and the way you think about yourself differently in the future is that vision that you are talking about if you begin seeing yourself differently it will begin to work out and have some action points that at this time I ought to have done this by this time frame I ought to have done this so that you will look back at each time and see whether things are working us scheduled okay amazing and what finally what does it take what does it take you've mentioned the takes what does it take it does it the drive is it one thing that it takes for you to be different from the rest to not give up along the way correct what it takes to be different from the rest is yourself the motivation comes from inside from within the motivation intrinsic motivation that is internally generated that is the difference yes when people are planning you are also planning when people are thinking of pursuing a career you are also thinking of the same so have that self-drive from inside never wait for anyone to come and push you because we are all human beings whatever you are told to do you will always be discouraged to pursue but whatever you find yourself pursuing willfully you will always succeed in amazing so self-drive is very important thank you very much Kylian for this amazing insight that you've given us into this so what can someone get you on social media if they want to look for you on social media you can get me on on Facebook my names are Kylian Amolo you can get me on LinkedIn using the same names Kylian Amolo you can get me on WhatsApp and my WhatsApp number is 0733 five double eight two zero six zero seven three three five double eight two zero six that's my WhatsApp number you can also get me on YouTube YouTube my YouTube channel is Kylian Amolo 1902 Kylian Amolo 1902 you'll get me on YouTube amazing and we will interact there amazing so people can see and hear from you on YouTube but Kylian Amolo 1902 1902 thank you very much once again correct I'm also on Instagram Kylian Amolo Kylian Amolo amazing so that has been Kylian Amolo our researcher a lecturer consultant and also gives career guidance and we have followed you on Instagram so you can also talk to us follow us on our social platforms that is a Y254 channel and you can answer the question we have asked you today that is what are your expectations for the year 2023 talk to us the hashtag is why in the morning or you know mcm talk to us we take a short break and then we'll be right back with the next conversation thank you