 First question is from Donaldson Spencer. What are your thoughts on Mark Rippitow and the starting strength method? Oh love it Let's let's talk first about starting strength. It's great It's one of the I'd say one of the only one of the few programs that will produce Gains and a lot of people and strength in muscle size. It's a they focus. Oh, it's almost entirely focused on compound Effective lifts. It's a lower volume Somewhat program you're training the body a few days a week. You're focusing on squats and deadlifts and bench presses I mean, it's super simplistic. It's not that much different than anabolic. I mean it is and the anabolic includes more accessory work Yeah, we phase the reps. Yeah, there's it's it's even more simple than anabolic, but very Okay, you can see that the things in anabolic that give you the greatest beg for your buck are in Riptoe starting. Yes. In fact when I wrote anabolic Starting strength was definitely one of the influences. It was one of the programs that actually works It actually does work, you know, you have like five by five and starting strength And then there's principles and bodybuilding that tend to work and you know all that kind of was compiled to make maps anabolic But you know starting strength, especially if you're getting into resistance training Now you're not a complete beginner, but you're kind of getting into it or you want to do something that really just focus on building strength and muscle In a consistent, you know fashion It's a great program. It's free go online. You can get it now the I guess there's some downsides, right? The downsides are that it's it's a bit one-dimensional So you can develop some imbalances. There's no rotation typically involved. It's pretty much in the sagittal plane Is that all there is to like so? I know that much about starting strength to know that it's similar to anabolic I've seen kind of the phasing in the exercises. Does he not have Progressions and what he recommends is programs to follow up or is it like this is the program they do but it's really I mean He really hammers like squat deadlift press row and I understand why right for most people That's excellent advice. Well, it's also why almost every one of our programs has those components Yeah, that's why it's called starting strength I mean it's the foundational like meat and potatoes that you need to focus on and I think that's why you know I think it's super effective Now he can be himself. He can be a little abrasive because he's real hardcore about it. I like him. Yeah I do I like people those I tell you what those old strength coaches are great Oh, like you get someone who's been training people for strength for no You're gonna you're gonna hear like who's the guy haven't we hooked up with Riptoe did our buddy Mike Matthews Do you like Riptoe? He did and why haven't we linked with him? Have we not reached out? I haven't reached out personally should he's pretty controversial all the way across That's why he'd be fun to talk to you know what I love to talk to him about because I know he he shits all over the trap bar Yes, so he'd be a fun person to kind of he's controversial about everything. I know you talked about anything. Yeah, he's like He's very opinion. Well, I so it's a good time I so what made me really go down the rabbit hole and stuff So I kind of knew his stuff before but when we had Jordan shallow on the YouTube channel shallow through a shot across the bow at his squat cues Oh, right and and he's got a very Strong following and loyal following of people and like we got a bunch of hate From that, you know why he's got a strong following because a lot of it works a lot of kids went and found starting strength it became really popular early 2000s when you know, you know people were finding it on the internet and Up into that point you had all these kids doing body part splits and those crazy routines and then they're like Oh, I'm doing three exercises today. This is gonna be crazy. I don't know if this is gonna work And then you got all these reports and like, oh my god I've never been so strong. I building on this muscle and so they've got hardcore followers because that's a good point Because the 90s really was the birth of the bodybuilder split kind of or like the really the explosion of that Yeah, that the 90s was was what got everybody doing these body part splits and intensity training and all this accessory work Yeah, and so what a brilliant thing starting strength comes out with something That's totally counterintuitive to what was popular at that time. It's probably what made it blow up Yeah, and in people again, we're just so excited about this actually works and it's so simple and I can't believe it and but again I'd say that the the weaknesses lie in the fact that you can develop some imbalances. You're not working in a lot of different planes It doesn't have it there's you know one principle in starting strength is definitely a true one Which is there are certain lifts you should practice often get good at them And they should always pretty much be in your routine But that doesn't mean there isn't any value to lots of other movements to train the body in different Ways to avoid injury to develop and to develop balance and you need to do that kind of stuff Well, this is why maps performance follows exactly this I mean that was the thought process when we wrote performance when we wrote our programs, right? It wasn't like oh, what's gonna sell the most it was like, okay, we're training someone Yeah, we're training somebody we just took them through maps anabolic. What are they lacking? So even though we believe that that's one of the best programs It is our most sold program and probably the most valuable for the average person to start there We know that once they're there and they've been following that we wouldn't want them to stay there forever We'd have to move them into something else. What would that look like? It would look like maths performance I would think the the main things that people will say about starting strength is that especially their squat Will go through the roof So there's a lot of jokes about starting strength people that they got like big butts and quads and everything else Which is pretty cool, but it's again, it's a it's a solid routine I mean I'll call it out if I need to and I'll be honest and say something's great if it is we have no affiliation We don't make any money off the program with like that. It's a solid routine It's based in solid principles and for a lot of people it definitely will work and make you stronger It is not the be all end all unfortunately, especially if you have a long-term approach to your fitness Nor is any one of our programs correct. I we stand by that too I would never tell anybody that oh maps at a ball is the end all be all programs know with it forever No, no, you need to do different things to really maintain your body and to make sure you're not You know developing particular imbalances or you know aches and pains and injuries and just develop a kind of a whole You know balance physique type of deal. Well, yeah, your body you're strong in multiple directions Yeah, your daily movements. You don't always move in the sagittal plane So your workout should mimic what real life should kind of look like and that's where some of those programs The cool thing about riptoe is he says stuff like strength is the foundational physical pursuit very true Yeah, how strength is so important for pretty much any physical pursuit very true You're weak your stamina means nothing if you're weak your flexibility means nothing in fact It's becomes a liability So he he hits and he's got a he has had a tremendous Impact in the world of resistance training and I would put him up there not as the guy that knows everything I don't think anybody knows everything, but I would put him up there as one of the you know the godfathers of If we were building that's it we should do that sometime like the Rushmore of fitness Yeah, that'd be kind of a cool episode to talk about who's the founder who is the founder? What's that powerlifting club that was breaking record? I can't believe it. I forgot West Side barbell. Yeah Who's the founder of that? I can't think of his name right now. I can picture him You know, I can put your shirt off and his tattoos. He's another old dog. Yeah, it's freaking great, right? They contributed he's contributed so much to strength. How are all three of us drawing a blank on this Louis? So embarrassing like not remembering Arnold's name Paula Quinn was a character. Yeah, these are all people that had tremendous influence right that down there Let's do an episode on that. Let's build. Let's build who we think are like the Mount Rushmore of strength Yeah, yeah, we're just fitness in general We could who I think are some of the pioneers in our space like have really laid the foundation Thomas I mean, I wouldn't even argue Paul check goes in there, dude I would yeah, I think some because especially when you talk about unconventional type stuff like I definitely think that he belongs up there Hey, if you enjoyed that clip you can find the full episode here or you can find other clips over here and be sure to subscribe