 Up up up up up Up up up up now Skyfall's themes in my head. Thanks rags Thank the people who made Skyfall Well, did that movie I can't I haven't seen it in ages, but I remember liking Do you remember the intro the big shocking intro where it's like Bond is on some kind of mission the train? Yeah, and he gets I remember that yeah authorization someone to shoot him. They don't hit the Don't hit the target Had a hobby or barred him right? Yes Yeah, I remember him being kind of compelling. I just forgot the entire rest of the movie Well, the angle was he was an X double O as well and M like uses and does whatever she like I think because the film was more of almost like a criticism of her as well as like a Swan song for Judy Dench. I think so it was her last time as M Yeah Until Ralph Ray Fiennes took over But yeah, from what I've seen from looking at subreddit's people have been saying like Craig's sort of tenure There's a storyline from Casino Royale to Conor Salas to Spectre the no time to die, but Skyfall is just this random movie. It's dropped in that has like nothing to do with the other four Yeah, that's the most popular and successful one. Well, is it more popular than Casino Royale? It made made more money That's probably true, but like when people talk about Craig's best film, they I think they typically say Casino Royale I Typically, I think that's true, but I remember people saying skyfall was the best one I do remember that I think that was why I watched it What do you think of it? I could be I barely remember it, but I enjoyed it But I'm curious how I'd feel if I rewatched it Typical take now at this point for movies. I haven't seen in a while. We just like to be Like to be pretty certain Maybe we need to do a Bond arc That's what like arc movies. It would take a take a while to take you four years to get through them All right, and sure we are we are live and presumably public Which would be useful Excellent We're talking about Bond will have to wait If if it comes up at all, I don't know if because do you guys I'm assuming have like no interest in seeing no time to die No, I didn't even know it was a thing until I saw a trailer for it before a Shang-Chi was supposed to be a thing What two years ago? I'm paying any attention Well, it's finally here and Listen, I'm not gonna say anything at all What I will say is there is a very popular Google question right now, which is does James Bond die like cuz it's like what? It's he hasn't done that for forever in terms of staying dead. Who knows if he does Who knows? Isn't die and like a lot of the titles for James Bond movies. Yeah Yeah, so yeah dying. Yeah, so I don't know that it would necessarily mean all that much Well, how much do you know about Bond? He's been going for a while for him to be dead would be a you know, it would be significant for Bond fans, I would say Has he died in the movies? Only only one time and he was resurrected immediately I don't mean that as like a he survived being shot or something I mean, he literally was killed and then I can't remember how they did it He got like some kind of fucking magic or bullshit. I literally like wait There's magic in the James Bond universe. Well, I'm saying this because it James Bond In which which film? Hey chat help me out There's a lot of them unfortunately It was a fake James Bond resurrection, all of it relates to no time to die. I'm trying to find when he dies the other time Oh, you only live twice another make sense Yeah, cuz he's like in a bed and they machine gun him and it's like oh my god Like the ring rates and the hobbits. Yeah. Yeah, like a modern version of that But I'm seeing that movie in a bazillion years Yeah, the James Bond movies kind of go into here in one ear and out the other I've seen a bunch of them, but like, you know, if you ask me a question about them two years later It's just like I have no idea. There's a guy named well We can we could test this right now name Just give me a Bond movie that you've seen at least two years ago, and I'll ask you a trivia question about it Oh, there you go. All right go for skyfall Skyfall Let me see Unless the question is is the antagonist Tavi or Bardim. I'm pretty sure the answer is gonna be I don't know in Skyfall What is the only weapon in the mansion? candlestick Wait, I feel like it's a grenade launcher or machine gun, but I don't remember exactly Is that right I think it's just a double-barreled shotgun. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's the only weapon that they have I think it's either shotgun or a double-barreled rifle, but you you were wrong anyway, so That's what I expected a a 500 Nitro Express double rifle really damn You know the the old man that you have to kill out there that requires that Well as we've learned from Jurassic Kingdom Awakened next park then you could shoot a single velociraptor or you could shoot a velociraptor With a single nine millimeter round and it basically will die if it isn't treated through magic bullshit Yeah, which means they would make excellent soldiers 100% so anyway Welcome everybody to EFAT one Four four one five five I hope you enjoyed our James Bond arc. Yeah, we just completed it. We started stuff to stir it away Yeah, more and more people will see no time to die over time and they will just be a particular subject I think people want us to at least have a little chat about but maybe we'll save that for next week Who knows maybe maybe oh boy But that's that's your length that you need This thing I'm gonna put on was just I I got my my my new Halloween variant done I want to show rags is it Yeah, and this is in video form. How crazy is that? Also, I'm gonna mute it on my end because the description says I do not I didn't make this music So I have no idea if the music's copyright or not Last thing we need is to get booted off Yeah, okay. I don't show it now. It's gonna be cool Do as ways everyone in here? I Am I am sweet. All right, this word is smaller. Yes Well, you guys can listen to the music. It won't be playing on my end. All right, have fun. Okay Is it skyfall Yeah It's a spoo a spooed paint. Yes Spooky scary skeletons And you guess what kind of variants going for this time Looks like a vampire thing I Think it's just I Think it's just a Is that like who am I allowed to make fun of what what nationality am I allowed to Frankenstein's you can make one of white when he's oh Russian I could always say you can say anything you want about Russians. That's true. It's moller, but Russian That's kind of neat, right? If this represents Russians Russians are cool Yeah, it doesn't have to be accurate. I just have to find a No, that's impressive. Did you draw this or is this commissioned? Yes? I drew this myself Well, those both can exist simultaneously. I can't tell if you're being Yes, you're right those both good. Oh my god Moller is a furry now rags we talked about this Not everything is a fairy your first soda. No you that is one I refuse. I am not your persona Oh my goodness. It's got yours. Okay It's a it's a spook so no spooky eyes Oh, no, he gobbled me up Doesn't really cool That was very nifty nifty. Yes. Uh, how did the how did the the transformation into a werewolf? How did it break the lenses of your your gas mask? That's pretty intense That's easily explained So the first lens got broken from when I was initially scratched by the werewolf, which is what Got me infected the other one broke because as I was Transforming I head butted a wall because I was so out of control and that smashed the other one Wait, wait, do werewolves turn people into furries Yes I'm gonna go with no, but that's it's fine that you believe that It does it really does so I know 14 of them certainly do But I think one if he was to get you just right absolutely he would Yes from a whole tap we could find through a twitter handle. I believe is the main Open for commissions as far as I know makes Spooky scary skeletons. Oh, that's one you could go as next time for any of skeleton I did skeleton the first time When was the first time you have all you could try to let me let me double that would have been 2019 I think Let me let me see actually Let me stay see. Yeah, 2020 was frankenstein 2020 All right, I don't know I'm looking for it and I just like well jack filled up with people so it's gonna be up. Yeah It's just you to be rags. You can't find it. No, it's you too. It's just No No You're just looking I have to look and search You would think that Oh, I don't you're like recommended and stuff when as you cycle through that and it constantly shows people that you're Subscribed to and have been looking at you think that if one of the people you were subscribed to was currently Livestreaming that it might want to let you know that that's an option that you could indulge in Well, so that's youtube's ways are mysterious. That would be intuitive and youtube's very against that Yeah Yeah, it's showing up. It's not live on mine. I don't know why Oh, well, I I found it now. So how you didn't it's it's often public. It's definitely that Yeah, I I had to go to to mallers and then I had to refresh on mallers and then it showed up at the top We've even go in a way that I've actually never seen it. I've never seen it actually dissuade. Oh, okay I was looking in second channel. I'm done Idiot hasn't changed his halloween pfp forever bad dog No, I this was one of the ones that I used last year. I actually have A few that I will be cycling through I got a super cute one today Right now you they said that they're gonna want to see the super cute one They will they will well, I guess that's just how we hype generating 31 ish days half half october have spooky ween So who knows? Not only that they'll get a blast from the past when our Being that we did yesterday Is finally public Oh, yeah. Oh, we can we can talk a little bit about we've we've we've been guys we've been watching bat one. Oh my god The fucking things this week the fucking things that happened in that show. We've got three left To watch you guys You you ain't ready. You ain't ready for this So season one Amazing nothing like it Uh triumph season two happens ruby rose is gone. We get a new fucking bitch in the suit It's terrible, right? It's still fun to watch but not as fun There were some sloggy episodes and the magic isn't quite there But man these last four episodes I don't know what they put in the writer's room coffee But man these last four episodes have been wild roller coasters of drama and craziness I was very pleased with these last four episodes. They've been they've been wild So much to discuss so eventful to talk about very eventful. These things are jam-packed With events. They'll be exciting to see how it all closes up. I guess and It's gonna be a thing, uh Yeah, that you know, those are some fun updates This episode of evap is brought to you by rags. 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That's what christmas is all about I mean, yeah, absolutely. It is what Thanksgiving's all about Um, um, do more politics. This is what it's like for Strap Um, this year I've gone as a wear a long wolf. I guess you're free as a zamboloid rags as is comfy pumpkin And um, I think do more politics kind of beating us all out with the uh, are you going as like a 2021 civilian No, I'm I'm dressed as timpool Just have the beanie Yeah, he doesn't smoke what the fuck My I like the like the otami my my autumn Like when it comes to halloween and thanksgiving I think i'm less on the spooky side than you are. I'm more on the like pumpkin pie uh golden brown leaves You're on the wholesome side. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm more I air toward the more wholesome side I'm big on the thanksgiving stuff and autumn and things of that nature cool mornings and all that Get some variety going But yeah Welcome to efat mr. Duma politics. What what do you do on your channel? Does the name give it away? Uh, it probably won't Uh, yeah, it's a bit of a misbranding because i'm legitimately not sure how many videos i'm gonna bother making about politics uh people will Maybe know me from the voshes evil video. That's the only video that's up on my channel right now The only video on your channel right now Yeah, oh, okay It's quite successful for like a what is effectively a first video. I had another one, but I took it down because it's just really really bad Well, we've all been there. Maybe um The so what is where does your true passion lie then if not polar politics? uh here Uh movies, uh, so I Yeah, I was a uh, I guess I still am a screenwriter. Um, I've written for screenplays and spent a bunch of time Thinking about movies. Uh, no, they're not good I'm a genuine failed screenwriter. I mean that's yeah, that's what happens You get good at something by doing it poorly a lot of times and It's pretty running quite hard. So you're gonna have to do it that poorly quite a bit. Um, Yeah, no, I I love movies. I spent a ridiculous amount of time Trying to figure out, uh, how they work how to write them stuff like that and I'll probably be I'm like 80 percent sure i'm just gonna end up being a bunch of Videos about movies and and media and moving away from politics because it's really not fun to discuss Politics isn't fun I agree. It's not fun. Take it from us. Uh, talking media is always fun, right guys Oh, it is very fun. Yeah You know one thing that, uh talking about movies reminds me of is That I was just sent a link a moment ago from kivakins And he has updated E-fap.me the official unofficial Mega website for all things e-fap and if e-fap adjacent it is now In spooky mode It has been updated for the the spoopy ween ranks. There's a you guys should there's a papercraft view of skeletal Oh my god. Yeah, I got uh, I got dr. Doom, which I'm pretty happy with Where I'm I'm getting overloaded. I'm getting overloaded right now. I got spooky ween E-fap.me every frame of phantom by the way Pretty good Well, that was one of my I think it was one of my suggestions and then I see the um, I see the e-fap papercraft justice league When we've got Christmas twine. We got a fair amount of pay. That's actually It's a batman peppy Oh, yeah, of course. This is the patron saint of e-fap batwoman. She looks after us She looks for better or worse Does batwoman have red hair? Yeah Well, the old one did the new one doesn't The new one has like does she have like red in it? Yeah, red highlights on her frizzy black hair. Yes It's very silly look they're both very silly And remember we had a couple episodes We had two and a half episodes where there was no hair on the bat suit. It was just Like handsome squid words straight up smooth and black on top It was something Good times and yeah, thank you so much kibberkins maintaining this this glorious website It's always fun to look down at that um average e-fap length as of 150 is I was looking at the same thing. It's like it started off reasonable Yeah, look at that four five three five four six three six. It's like whoa Yeah, we got we got one two We got three episodes four episodes to start with a three crazy because I distinctly remember I'm pretty sure it was the mission impossible one where mohler even sent a message like yeah Thanks for sticking around for like seven hours. That was really long. You need to do that. That's like now look Now it's like seven seven is a little short now Seven is considered short and people yell at us. Mm-hmm. It's high I'm so People were saying oh, you look tired as a zombie. It's yeah, I've been waking up super early Like consistently bastard. I'm very Fringy Fringy decided he didn't want to live anymore uh when he uh well I guess that that's a reference to you guys Oh, it's coming. Oh, shit. I know what you're talking about. Yeah, we can't talk about that yet No coming we can't yeah, that's dude. It could be like a whole year before they even No, we can get them out. I don't even Oh Oh, yeah, yeah Yeah, I was sitting there for a bit. I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? Am I supposed to know what this is? But I know it now um Well, yeah, I don't even you so today we are talking about movies So you're in luck. Mr. Mr. Politics. Well, I guess I'll call you doom, bro. I'm doing dooma Would you prefer to go by that or would you have a name like Derek or something? Doomer is fine or chris whatever you prefer Doomer is fine or chris Yeah, now you're giving me two. What am I supposed to do? I you can choose one. You may refer to me as gorthok the barbarian slayer of worlds or andrew Gorthok is I need to rebrand a gorthok Well, you know what before we get into stuff you are you are you one of them heart takers? Do you have things because you're saying you want to talk about media? What possible things do you have to say about different movies or different things that maybe are unpopular or unheard of? Oh I mean so probably a bit of a difference between me and a lot of people that make Movie criticism youtube videos as I've been way more focused on good movies But I hate I I have a intense distaste for lots of things people like um See what like we were talking about jango and chained which I am Becoming more and more distasteful of I'm probably going to make a video on that pretty soon. Oh, boy Can you believe it got some got some pretty serious Pretty serious problems in that one, but I mean I mean you can just go down the list If you know if you listed off a hundred popular movies, I probably hate 70 of them Wow, look at this hipster. We're not used to this. We love most things right guys Oh, I'm sure Why why must you turn my office into a house of lies? This is your office. This is the I'm in I'm in my office All right, that I got it fair enough There are lies operating like across the walls Back to the sleep deprivation, but the lies are emanating in all offices now that have this episode playing I was so confused and appalled watching shang chi. I just didn't know what I was looking at I had to I had to go watch you guys's episode for a bit to make sure you hated it too Well other people liked it um I'll just say well, we could we could just uh now jump in I suppose because we've We've got a bit of video to get through but what's actually gonna say we could Leave it up to maybe Yourself or chat or someone because because we're thinking about watching two today from a particular creator, but um They're different different kinds of videos. I'm thinking though since you've seen that movie You're probably gonna want to jump into the one related to it more so Uh, which would be fine. What's the what's the other one about? Well, it's um So so it's now. No, this is movies. We're covering today. Everyone's favorite. I don't remember when we last covered him, but We meant to cover him In the actual shang chi episode, but we just we just took so long talking about the movie, you know, because it's so good um Yeah, so he's got a masterpiece of cinema. He's got a video saying wenwu is the best marvel villain um I mean that you you are certainly entitled to that perspective And his other one is uh, which actually he got quite downvoted for Called my problem with what if and i'm like, oh Because what if his shit? So i'm very curious what he said about it that earned the ire of his own audience Because the the thing i've now heard often seen is that Thanos shows up and vision just lays him in half That might fuck with the stakes just a little bit Well, considering he had five infinity stones. Yeah, it's like man If only visions didn't get stabbed in infinity war then Thanos wouldn't have won it wouldn't even matter that tony and cap and the avengers would split up You have to understand for you before that film happened. Thanos was with his four Children, whatever they are He was just like sweating like crazy in his ship and he was like dude, you have to stab vision at least once You gotta hit him get you got a you got a surprise am if you don't do it It's all over like you you have to Just like i'll try because like I I promise it's like I stopped watching what if like pretty early on Um, but I guess it's just when I see these premises. I feel like I feel like we're barely scratching the surface What would be the most interesting aspect of this concept? Which is like a very minor tweak to a situation to see just how different you get Following, you know standard cause and effect stuff Yeah, I was gonna say I think like hey, what if there are zombies? It's like man. Wow. Okay Damn What if uh, yeah, no, what if hawkeye didn't save, you know black widow or things like that? That's one of those questions where it's like or that could be Or just and and they did the one where it's like, what if kill monger rescued tony starr? That's what's called. That's like dude. What if just tony stark didn't get blown up like that Obvious, what if kill monger saves him is such a like wait, what do you mean? Since when was that an option? Exactly it was like we've jumped really far whereas it just makes more sense to me that's like Have it be that tony stark doesn't get the shrapnel Like they just don't get ambushed. Um, that doesn't happen Uh for whatever reason logistics issues and then see how things develop from there Whether obadiah trying to like get him out of the company like that um Like and you know, what if dr. Strange lost his heart instead of his hands? It's like Oh, yes, the the character whose name I've forgotten who is integral to a The dr. Strange movie and comes up all the time in his storyline Oh, she's gonna she's gonna come back in the one One Dude imagine that it's like what if he lost his heart it just shows wong dying Oh, no I believe that wong died. Yeah I like wong. Well, it's nice. He's a cool dude. Yeah Um Also, yeah, those that show is coming out this week. Oh, what is what's the what if do we know? I'm pretty sure that like I I don't I don't think we know yet But um, I think that they basically said at this point that they aren't disconnected That like some of them are going to be connected to other ones culminating something um Whatever that means and they've already got a season two Like confirmed so that's gonna happen again Next year there's going to be like five Marvel shows I think it's more than five. I I went to the I think it's like 10 because I went to the MCU thing to see just how ignorant I was about The goings on of this universe and there's like, yeah, there's a lot of tv shows coming out. Well, so The list is miss marvel moon night she hulk secret invasion. Then you got to throw in what if I'm pretty sure they're doing like an echo They're doing iron heart That's coming out next year. I'm pretty sure. I don't know about the arm awards done cheetah thing Man, that is a lot of that's a lot You know if you missed, um You may say any two years now you're probably gonna just be completely lost because um It's just too much to happen. That was my experience. Yeah I mean, that's that's the idea right the the more interconnected they are the more incentive there is to watch everything And then the shit that they get the more miserable the experience Which is interesting because Like kind of with comics It's like there is a level of them being connected But a lot of the time they're self contained in the sense that you could just read batman comics and you'll be fine um Probably But that as opposed to what they're doing here where it's whereas I guess I guess it's a smarter if the if the objective is to uh get people to keep watching And it's working. It's it's definitely working. Well, it seems like shang shi was trying to be self contained But that led to some problems one of the Well, the it's it's kind of funny right because one of the piece of criticism we've often levied at the mcu Is that there are a lot of films that just pretend the universe doesn't exist? Which is not Like they can't do that that you can't You can't pretend like iron man doesn't exist. Yeah, and winter souls are all like cap and iron man three Um, I guess the problem now is it's like it feels a lot more cynical in terms of like Hey, they're interacting, but it's mainly because we want you to watch the other movies And tv shows Like it like we don't care as much. It's it's more about cameos rather than This is a universe where a bunch of people are interacting with one another crossing paths and things like that Well, so the fact that yeah so that kind of hits on a question I had for you guys because I'm sitting here wondering this guy is going around knocking off governments and shit Like did that affect the world? No, well, evidently not I mean it did but it's just as the way that we I guess it did but Not in a way that we would notice any difference Everything was the way it was because of what he did I guess as titanic as it was and inexplicable that he was able to do so but Yeah, that I I was just kind of curious like How much of my confusion was due to ignorance of the MCU and how much of it is just I mean, I know a lot of it is character design, you know, like character motivations aren't going to be something where It's ameliorated by watching these other movies. It's like if their character motivation makes no sense It just doesn't make any sense but Yeah A lot of this I'm assuming makes more sense if you've seen the other movies or maybe It makes less sense if it interferes with the world building. Yeah. Yeah I would say the more that you watch the more it just doesn't agree with itself Yeah, that's that's upsetting Yeah, well, don't worry. You'll get over it and then you'll get into the stage of apathy And you'll just stop caring I'm very much there. That's uh What watching watching this movie vindicated by avoiding these movies generally Well, so this is one of the best ones recently. Well, I was just gonna say this is the best in phase four So nice. I was I was so confused. Yeah, I went to imdb. It's like, oh, it's got an eight point. Oh, it's it's got to be fine It's like An eight point. Oh, man, that is I mean, I remember the dark night was like number one on imdb by a lot for a long time So I guess comic book movie scores and imdb are kind of well if you want a really depressing one It's i'm uh, i'm working on an end game video and and it I think that movie sucks And one of the most disappointing things about it is End game is ranked higher on imdb than like unforgiven walley Django, I guess I don't like mango, but it's rated higher than Django. It's rated higher than diehard aliens I'm pretty sure it's right It's rated higher than a lot of much better film and it's like that's very upsetting It's really upsetting that it's ranked so high I don't want to make that Just to be clear, I I don't like Django in the context of Tarantino's filmography Because like it follows it it follows in glorious bastards, which is my favorite movie of all time and like You look at you look at the writing in glorious bastards and it's like Not only flawless, but there's an almost inexhaustible amount that you can learn from analyzing it And then you go to Django and there's just like just objective flaws just massive problems and character motivation and and and Pacing and structure that are very atypical of Tarantino So, I mean if you're if you're comparing Django to like, you know It's probably better than the best film by a lot of directors But in the context of Tarantino, it just is not up to it's not up to grid And uh, are you gonna make a video for that? Is that gonna happen? I am in the middle of producing a video about that. Oh my god Boy, well I filmed the copyright. It's a lot more difficult than uh The dare I say political videos Really because the political videos have been getting like that's part of the I mean, there's a lot of reasons I don't want to make political videos But part of it is that lots of topics just get you flagged and Your video just doesn't get monetized like period You're talking about to those types of issues, but with uh with films like if you're using footage for movies Just tough to get it through. Um, like even if it's totally transformative. It's it's tough because of the uh It's an ID thingy Do you just do you just get like uh Do you just get like your your ad revenue pulled or does the video get taken out? It's like It can be anything from both those blocks. Yeah. Um, and then you just got to try and re-edit it Usually it seems like this thing is make sure that your clips are pretty short Yeah, yeah, I I know a bunch of stuff like the the vosh video got the vosh video got um Struck for a number of reasons And I did some pretty simple edits and got it through the first time I tried so There's some yeah, like just adding blurring seems to really mess with the content ID system Try and go no further than five second clips just as a I'll be really great for you if you can do that In both audio and non-audio just just because um Even with when you hit six that's when youtube starts to get like Yeah, I really uh That makes it tough sometimes We've been doing this for many years now and that's just that's basically what I've come to learn funnily enough when I started I was like don't go beyond 10 seconds that got lowered All the way down to five Well, fortunately, uh, I can I can probably work with that this point. I'm not gonna be a big issue. Mm-hmm Um, so yeah, you know, we we'll probably be able to talk a bit about um This this will probably be the last shang chi related e-fab, but it's not even gonna be just that today But I'm I'm interested to know why he's better than all the other villains from the mcu Especially um, some of the stronger ones, you know, should we give our top five to start off? Well, let's set our bar where it needs to be for the beginning of this What what is what is our top five mcu villains? In particular order necessarily Uh, vulture, Thanos, uh, likey Zemo Zemo Ego, I like ego I like him. Yeah Was iron man the villain of civil war? No Oh, yeah, what about mysterio for you Oh, uh, you know, I put mysterio above, uh, ego. Yeah, that'd be the five then I don't agree with that anyway. Yeah, I'm totally fine with that Someone suggested Black Panther Killmonger is a terrible villain Please know Especially when people were saying he was right So they forget the line where he said that he was gonna kill like that All the children. Yeah. Well, they threw that in specifically to be like he's he is evil though All right, stop it Um So, yeah, here we go. I guess we're gonna we're gonna check out Find out why Wenwu is better than all of those Shang-Chi's Wenwu is the best Marvel villain. Alrighty exciting stuff. Here we go Let me get that out of the way right off the bat is a rock-solid movie with an engaging story some fun leads and Really quick question because I you guys didn't address this there's a part in the bus scene Where where he's like Shang-Chi is driving the bus and razor fist it like goes to punch him in the face and just stops You guys remember that? Unfortunately, we don't have a super high quality access to a to to this didn't release on streaming or anything, but yeah I had uh, that's something to go back and check because I watched it at home And that's almost I'm like 90 percent sure that's what happens. He like it's blocked by chi or something And it's like the only time it happens in the movie Also, some people like razor fists like yeah, I'm pretty sure though. Was that was that not his name? Yeah, his name is razor fist. Yeah Which I didn't realize I thought it was I only noticed that and like When they go to the timeless isle or whatever and it's on the side of his car and I thought it was the youtuber for a second Why is it why is it fist it's more like razor arm like that's supposed to like sword arms Sword arm. Yeah, that's true. Maybe maybe it started as just the fist and then more of it got cut off in later fights We kept the name maybe Sword arm doesn't have the same ring to it. I guess yeah Excellent pacing and yes, I am a marvel shill Most of what they make and I enjoy the connectivity. I know some people Sorry a skip for me. Do you say he likes most of what they make? By default, he likes them. Yeah. Oh, well, that's that's fine I guess it's one of those tussles. Hey, bobbins People have grown tired of it and I get it and I've also given up on the color grading And they usually end with lots of CGI, but I still have fun with it. In fact, man, just like shang chi In this instance, I was on board with the CGI ending. Oh, that was really cool. Oh All right, I was very upset because it was just sludge again. It was so bad I I was just It wasn't even the CGI. I was just confused as to what the fuck was going on Yeah, they have like an exposition dump of like an entire mythology in like two minutes And then there's this like epic Like the spiritual battle of stuff and it's just an epic spiritual battle of stuff Yeah, I was just so confused as to what's going on Why wasn't this established earlier in the movie? Ancient demon dragon versus the wonderful god dragon spirit And you're like, I have no idea what idea that means Who's who's the what's happening? But it's like, oh, no, it's sucking your soul dealer death or something Death dealer. Yeah He was pretty cool. He died pretty cool five seconds. Yeah Well, not the ninja that no i'm talking about the cthulhu monster. Oh that was it called No idea Soul king See, these are these are problems when soul leader when you when your climax revolves around mystical creatures that the audience doesn't know the name of it's An interesting place to be I don't know the anything of it like this thing when it started sucking out the dragon soul I was just like, oh, no, that's the thing it could do I guess That's bad. I don't know If it does that take over the world Yeah, we don't want that to happen. That would be bad if it took over the world Yeah, so I I was reading the wikipedia to try and figure out something and it says that the dragon revived Shang Chi when he falls in the water. Did you guys get that watching the movie? It looked like he fell into the water had to have drowned and then it like forced bubbles of oxygen into his face If that counts as reviving I guess Yeah, I didn't I didn't I didn't track that at all. I thought he was dead You probably should have been dead the force that yeah Like yeah, that should have fucked him up Because he doesn't have superpowers choreography and Shang Chi I'm gonna say some of those names that pop up in every single video. I have seen about the topic. Here we go Bill Pope Destin Daniel Creighton Simu Liu Jackie Chan Brad Allen RIP police story drunken master Manga Zhang and others those are the names that come up in every youtube video. I have watched about Shang Chi I don't need to sing their praises. They all did an amazing job Simu Liu man. He put in work. Everything's just great, you know Well, that's he practically said that was his channel already. Um Because I do wonder if some of these channels exist just to make people feel good about having felt good about a film, you know uh I guess but like if everything is good Then kind of well, it's it's funny you say that because I'm looking forward to seeing his what if video because it looks like it's a time where he was like, you know What I'd like to be critical and his whole audience will like stop it Yeah, that's just like the thing That's exactly that's one of the reasons I don't want to make political videos is because like what most people do is Just take a position and never deviate and offer no nuance and just like Regurgitate a perspective and that's what people want. It's really annoying Reaffirmation, right Essentially people not super interested in being challenge And I guess this is the film equivalent of like if everything's great And then I guess can maybe sit well No, I guess it's not often that people get upset at a neg like that is mostly critical a channel That's mostly critical. It's like I like this But the other way around do a careful Well, you know what like channel is mostly critical Like mostly hates everything and then they say this thing is particularly well made That's usually really well received for that channel Which kind of makes sense, I guess You focus on why something's good. It's like, oh boy must be really good then or someone I mean, it seems like both results are Sort of just as a risk There's like this background of just positive good negative bad Like there always seems to be that little underlying background radiation that I hate Should be, you know being critical shouldn't necessarily be positive or negative in a sense That knife looks like CGI Probably is My gosh, the difference between this and iron fist is night and day Hey, why are you allowed to shit on iron fist and say that's bad The difference is night and day didn't say one was better or worse. Come on, Frank If you if you wanted to see night and day watch this and then go watch kill bill one That was the night and day Ha ha ha Well, there's so many things this film wants to be but it's like a really like watered down Version of the kind of combat that I was hoping I'd even see and Well, I mean the problem is for me. It's like I feel like we had The what they you know the the martial arts movie But that was only an act one and then it's turned into sludge again Like Okay, yeah, that was so weird. There was like two pretty big action scenes and like the first I want to say 40 minutes Yeah, an hour of like nothing That like I didn't realize that the when they met the dad That that was the first act break. I I thought we were much further into the film by that stage But no those 40 minutes. We still had like an hour and a half to go is a Long movie in a sense And it's long. So, yeah Focus on one guy and you know, I love me some Marvel villains of rank their plans I've made villainous scenes about them. I have some favorites vulture, Thanos, hysterio, egos Holy fuck His list was great until he threw in the shitty one at the end They always throwing kill monger and I never understand why kill monger. Loki. I know real groundbreaking stuff But I really think there's a case to be made that shang chi's antagonist when woo played by the incomparable Tony Leung is not only the highlight of this movie But maybe the best villain the MCU has produced so far We had um When we did our stream on it, um We were split on whether or not he did a good job acting what is really shad didn't like his performance. I think I mean, I think he did a good job acting. I thought he did. Yeah He did a good job with the performance. Um, I mean, what's he what's he gonna do? What and he did what he could? Yeah, I mean like I found him at Marvel. I think that's just the MCU I would say I got the impression that the material wasn't that well I don't think the material is very good and that he made a Valiant effort to uh to add to it, you know Yeah, I guess I'm biased because he's uh, he's broken sword and hero, which is a movie I really like Positively predisposed towards the dude um The thing about The thing about him that really it just did I was like, I don't know. I thought Simulio was shit in the film Uh, really really bland and blank I guess is that the protagonist? Yeah Yeah, I thought he was And so when we had scenes with him acting across from Um, his dad, I was I was starting to be whenever his dad was talking. I was like, oh, shit It feels like I'm watching an actor again. We're like everything is delivered with the purpose and his face matters and stuff His face That's a great way to put it It's actually This is important when acting Yeah, his his face moves We talk about it with uh planning and stuff all the time just uh What they say is like a third of taking in What's being delivered to you when a character talks in in his stuff? Yeah Marvel it's like only what they say Well, here's here's a good question. Do you think that the director and the writer Actually told him like uh simulio I guess uh sheng chi do you think that they told him what his character was thinking and feeling throughout different parts of the Movie, uh, not only I'm gonna say no to that. I was I thought you were gonna ask me Do you think the director and the writer even spoke to each other and it's like probably not I could I could definitely see that Because marvel movies are an assembly line. They just churn them out super quick Yeah, I mean, I have so many questions about stuff like that like the The mother I think her name is yang li It's like, okay I'm falling in love with this like hitler s character and I won't Take them into my village, but I will run off with them and have kids with them And I have these important pendants who I'm gonna entrust to my kids, but I won't even tell My husband what the pendants are about And I'm not gonna see my family anymore and I'm gonna give up All these like it just when you start thinking about it. It makes no yeah Some music that the pendants were so important to find that they were just like helicopter dude just Good old-fashioned helicopter and it was to find it was to find the village that he just he just stumbled into it Like the forest spit him out one time and then he just kind of wandered in there and found it. So yeah I Yeah I mean you could there's an apologist explanation of like what's the waterfall there I'm pretty sure the waterfall was there when he like fights his wife, right? Because if it yeah, that's the way in right the waterfall is like a portal Yeah, if it if the waterfall was there then there's just no explanation It's just everything about the entrance to this village is dumb But well because maybe It was especially hilarious because I thought This happened on the other stream where I was just I kind of was under the impression that the forest was Magical related to the other dimension, but it's like it's at our dimension. It's distinctly not that dimension There's just a magical forest in our dimension for no reason And each yeah, this is like okay Why but okay It seems like the kind of thing where somebody just had the idea and like it got storyboarded And everyone's like okay, that's cool. How do we work it in like that? That seemed to be sort of the situation It's a weird one Yeah, I have no idea Movie but maybe the best villain the mcu has produced so far So I want to make my case But first I need to explain why it is such a miracle that the character of wenwu is even remotely coherent Because unlike most marvel villains wenwu is not a direct adaptation of comic just to be clear That's shang chi's father. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Okay. All right. Yeah a quick vision of his storyline was that He found the rings because he's just lucky I guess Took over like the whole world But in a shadowy way and no one could not because otherwise it wouldn't make any fucking sense at all that we've never heard of him at all Um And then he finds a girl and he's like I cute like you and she gives up here Protecting the forest mantle and he gives up his rings so they can have a family Then she's killed by his old enemies And he gets his rings back and starts killing people and then his two kids run off Brings them back 10 years later to see what they've been up to Takes their pendants use that to get back in the forest because he's being told through ghostly voices that his wife is behind a big wall and then he Breaks in smashes open the wall and gets eaten by a dragon Yeah That's a story. Pretty succinct. Yeah, so we're never given This is one of the things I was wondering about we don't like we don't see the origin of the rings or him getting the rings, right? He just has them. It's it's the isn't that really important It's very amusing to think about because yeah, the film is called the legend of the 10 rings and the post credit Stingerers are so you will learn about the rings next time not this What's the next movie? Yeah, wow I saw an episode like marvel is not done with wenwu and it's just like oh, we're getting a prequel fucking movie where he finds the ring Maybe flashbacks in the next shangchi Character instead a fusion of two Very complicated characters one with a messy comics history and one with an equally messy movie history So I guess this segment is a mini when woo isn't when woo fantastic Let's start simple in in the comics shangchi's father is a man named Zhang zhu Kind of he's the leader of an ancient organization. However, it is not called the 10 rings It's actually called the five weapons society. So a little different. Okay. That's so much better It should not be named the 10 ring society. It's really confusing Well, we got two that They probably should have just Dropped all of it for my man three the um 10 rings and the mandarin and stuff and just tried to make it a new I don't know that five weapons society sounds that was better though Just anything would be better Because it's It's just confusing. It's like well, there's the 10 rings and then there's the 10 rings society And then and then you have to try and track. Okay. What is the 10 ring society? And it's like well, it's this secret society of people who overthrew governments But now there's just like seven dudes hanging out in a fort in china or something And what are they doing? I don't know They're on the little computers making sure that the world does what they want I guess They're just chilling or yeah These are all the problems when you invent a new shadowy government that's controlling everything You're like, what are they doing exactly? You're like, well, they can't be doing anything because they haven't had any influence on any of the events prior. You're like, right Okay So they just sort of sit there print but simple enough, right well You see back in the olden days of the 1970s marvel had the rights to an extremely popular character named Fu Man Shu and when I say extremely popular I mean so popular that you've probably never read an old shang chi comic But you're kind of familiar with the name Fu Man Shu That's because this character was also used extensively in radio plays and Books and also his famous mustache beard combo that bears his name when nick cage dresses like this in the grindhouse trailer He's rocking a Fu Man Shu, but the character was also super racist So marvel did the right thing and renamed the character zangzu Just kidding from what the right slaps Was he saying that Fu Man Shu the name is racist or Fu Man Shu is the band racist? Is the The the mustache is that racist? I'm not sure. I'm assuming it's like a characterization thing Well, because he it made him sound like the renaming him was the The unracifying of him with racistness fine. I don't know. Those are a little bit confusing Chinese names racist I I'm curious what he's pointing to is the racist part Dude, certainly you said confurious That was that's interesting. It's like we are mad and confused Well, you would assume that he's like an amalgamation of racist stereotypes I mean, that's at least what I would apparently apparently the name doesn't make sense Like if it's meant to be a Chinese name, it doesn't make sense. Well, no one fucking knows that he needs to explain this Yeah, that's the problem is like I have no idea about like I hear zheng zhu and I'm like, oh, that's like a Chinese name. I guess He's like He needs to explain it because yeah, I have no idea about any of this Someone said he literally started a joke and you cut him off. Well That's really unclear Yeah, I don't know what he's saying Let's see if you're right rindhouse trailer He's rocking a fu manchu, but the character was also super racist So marvel did the right thing and renamed the character zheng zhu Just kidding. The rights lapsed in fu manchu So they needed to come up with a new name I guarantee that marvel never lost the rights fu manchu would still be around today So it's not now. I mean now. I'm literally even more confused It's the name fu manchu the fact that he's named fu manchu is the racist part Wait, was that supposed to be a joke? I'm this is really I'm even more confused now. So Was it his point was the name was racist, but they did the right thing and changed it No, just kidding the rights lapsed and they wouldn't have changed So the point is still that the name is race, right? That's literally what we were talking about Yeah, so this is why it's sometimes that wasn't a joke. You didn't let them finish It's like well, it doesn't sometimes like we've already got a problem Well, yeah, that's that's doesn't help. That's possibly a prime example of uh, the person chat being wrong that time So the the hair is the the the facial uh The the the the facial had the hair the the what's it called? Uh, Mr. Ashley No, like when you have facial hair, I guess is why the the facial hair style Fu manchu is named after the character fu manchu who was from a a 19 It's it's like it's it's from a the mystery of dr. Fu manchu by sax romer And the first half to 20th century and he had that hairstyle And so I guess that's where the um It comes from but well, he said it was based on like a pulp from the early 20th century and it's like well, you know Maybe there was something that but like I have no idea. I don't know anything about fu manchu I just assumed it was a like a chinese Thing like I don't know and I still don't even know if this is Made in america though, right like that's oh english author. Okay uh Yeah, sax romer, um um Okay, right. So yeah, least of my concerns in the universe. I think I'm just I just got lost very quickly accused yeah But anyway, the comics is actually zhengzu a little confusing but He made it more confusing than it was All I needed was when woo is his dad in the film. It's like yeah, I'm all right cool But now you're like To um to vaguely bolster kind of rice opening with like I don't fucking care about the comics the thing is The mcu's like however much sense the comics make has never been more determined so much since the mcu makes they are They are two different things Different Yeah, yeah, if you're giving me all this backstory in the comic about things and that the duh I'm just like I'm already kind of zoned out because I just don't care. What's in the movie? I assume what he's trying to say is like oh look how complicated and strange it is in the comics So no wonder like it's a miracle that when we ended up the way that he was and I'm just sitting here like well They might have just ignored the source entirely like we've done that before Be able to know anything about shang chi comics, but that's only half of it In this movie shang chi's father is also The mandarin a character that the mcu has been hinting at from the very beginning not hinting at they It was it was ultra killian It's fucked the uh, let's be honest. It's completely fucked like I about what is like the 10 rings You know, oh Then oh boy, you're like the 10 rings are run by the mandarin. Oh, it's like the mandarin isn't who the mandarin is Actually, it's just that guy with the weed It's yeah the orange man I made stuff up to try and connect it back to the origins of the mcu By the way, I like that they've tried to address Shane black's fucking of iaman 3 like Because he's like wouldn't it be funny if I subverted it and the mandarin was just this idiot and then it turns out There's just some other guy who's using it all but like I think if they had full control of because I don't think Like iaman 3 was probably he was probably given just free reign Because again as far as I know Doing the surgery on on iaman and blowing up his suits was not like that wasn't anyone's plan That was just something that Shane black was like, let's do that as his arc Also age of ultron is next the one where iaman has the fucking iron legion Where he's already blown up his suits like well, this is awkward Something I generally find annoying is when people Are different just for the sake of being different like I think that's basically always wrong I think there's a lot of value to be had in subverting expectations, but you don't you don't just do it for the sake of it It's not like oh, well there's an established lore. I'm just gonna do something different. You know like why? I don't get it. It's the kind of subversion. I fucking despise ryan johnson does the same stuff That's you see it a lot in like um, I guess what you could call sundance reject movies It's like oh well films are generally in linear chronology, so i'm going to use non linear chronology And it's like now you just made a shittier movie now It's just confusing and more complicated and harder to track and you didn't add anything to it Yeah, well, it's like I bet you guys like it when things are easy to follow. I'm gonna submit that you're like Okay, exactly. Oh, I it's another thing in art films. It's like, oh, well You know, hollywood movies are trying to be entertaining. Well, I'm gonna make a movie that's not entertaining. It's like Um, uh, good luck with that be able to show them the fledgling mcu Was clearly dropping hints and had some ideas for future stuff But it just it wasn't as set as it is now and the irony is that it's much worse now even though it is the setting pathways Um, and so this the ten rings were just this this mess that different writers were trying to figure out But nobody really did Well, you think it's worse now than it was in phase one Yeah, like way worse. Oh easily Because I didn't mean real easily Not okay, just just to give you some background the only phase three movies I saw were civil war and infinity war. I didn't watch anything Right, so you saw a good some good content because civil war was really good infinity war is Got a lot of good stuff in it Yeah, infinity war is a film that I think has a lot of merit despite its problems Yeah, I enjoyed infinity war fine. I recently learned that civil war was good I guess I guess to give you almost like the Right, that was the the conversation the other day. I guess the like I think phase one is is the most coherent overall Time in the MCU just because it was a lot simpler. It's it makes sense that it would be because there's so much less to contradict I think yeah, they start easy Well, they start losing them the plot. I think a little bit because I feel like yeah the breakdown They have lost a lot They've definitely lost the plot. I guess the the too long didn't read for the MCU was like phase one is pretty coherent The the there but there are only a couple of the well. No, actually not three of those films. I would consider to just be downright good um Yeah, phase one is pretty coherent phase two is like the mundane phase. It's like or In fact phase two is pretty not good at all Phase two seems to me like they were like, let's do it again Phase one was pretty successful and then james gun was like also my thing and they're like, yeah, yeah, that's fine You do that And of course the problem there is like well, you can't do phase one again You've you the Avengers exist They need to interact and then phase three is like, oh, let's do that and then they started off really great Um, and they were doing really well and then it just fell apart at the end Yeah, phase four is a disaster In phase one I was actually defending marvel movies because you would see a lot of blockbusters that just didn't have I guess you could call them Sensible aesthetic production standards like movies would just be incoherent have really bad action editing or just just like even, you know shang chi is uh, I think a pretty bad movie But I could track the movie right a lot of the blockbusters before marvel You just couldn't even track them You couldn't tell what the fuck was going on And I was like, oh well here comes marvel and they're going to have like, you know consistent production standards Well, that seems nice. That's that's better than these other things, right? But yeah, phase two Do you mean like um a consistent? I guess film vocabulary or? Yeah, yeah, that's that's a good way to put it like you could call it a style Like okay a style is sort of like a set of consistent decisions that you make Based on having learned lessons or whatever right to make it so that a movie is easier to produce And you can see that in most uh, you know most directors will make consistent choices And there's reasons behind those choices and all of that But yeah, the the I guess you could say the cinematic language was at least competent So I was like, okay. Well, they're competent then phase two just really started to bore me. It's like, okay, you're just doing The same thing over and like, you know, if you turn on a movie and you can reasonably accurately guess what's going to happen 20 minutes in advance for the entire movie. It's just like Whatever yeah, well, yeah, I just they cracked the formula by then And they were on top of the world kind of and so then phase three is like they start taking more what I think is more risks like The controlled risks for lack of a better way like like I guess they they were worried about ant man They were worried about um, probably about dr. Strange. Just like can we launch these? characters compared to ones that are much more known And um, and then civil wars like this Despite popular belief it changes up as this the whole the world building entirely Um, it's just unfortunate. No one took it forward. Someone said by the way the phase two was went to soldier at it That's like the best MCU movie. It's like no, it isn't welcome to evas All right, if you're new here winter soldier is one of the worst. Unfortunately, it suffers from catastrophic plot thematic and character issues and well, but um And it's just it fails on all cylinders and it does serious damage to captain america Yeah, pretty much I refuse to agree This is my quiddo, but they ruin her later. Yeah, I refuse to agree that it like meaningfully Um approaches the concept of security versus freedom at all in that movie. No, no, absolutely Yeah, they never explore it. But yeah, so just if you're confused as to why go watch the debate where we established that far from If you actually, um money, I need to use the lure quick. I will be right back. Mm-hmm Yeah, phase four then Sorry iron man iron man had a great opening like that opening seed such a great hook Iron man one Yeah, because it's on screen right now It's like yeah, I think one was quite good It appealed to people who had no clue about comics or even where this may go It was just like imagine an inventor an engineer Was captured by like terrorists and told to build one of his newest bombs because they want like him to do that Obviously and instead he builds a suit that he breaks out of the place with it's just like that sounds badass as fuck Yeah, it was also if I recall correctly actually somewhat funny Like I don't want this funny. Yeah In a way that's certainly shang chi isn't Uh, I didn't laugh at all. I think when I was watching shang chi I don't think I've laughed at all watching the uh phase four actually I think a couple of times at the beginning of one division. I'm like, uh, that's kind of funny Um, man, that's actually kind of surreal to think about how much content has been consumed and no laughter or joy Well, I mean comedy often comes from like subversion and the movies just don't want to be subversive at all So well, they can't they are like it's like okay. Here's a great example of what you were talking about earlier Like um, Tony Stark is not an entirely likable character. He's kind of an asshole You know, he's definitely better than you and basically every conceivable way Like the a problem you often get with movie protagonists is that like for a blockbuster is that they just don't really have a personality And the reason for that is because they don't want to be off-putting by creating something that you can't relate to Well, Tony Stark is certainly that yeah, like that's a standard meme right with like young adult Like fantasy novels like teenage girls is that usually the uh, the the main character likes late So it's really easy to project your personality on to them Yeah, exactly, which I I'm Thoroughly unconvinced that it's good either artistically or as a marketing strategy personally, but I Think that it probably is a very successful marketing strategy But I don't know that that means much to me as a as like any point of praise or you know what I mean Like yeah, it probably makes sense in the same way that's like well master chief I guess it's it depends how purposeful it is right like in halo master chief Was deliberately made a blank slate because they wanted you to project on to him But that's a bit different because it's a video game Yeah playing as him. Yeah, that might be a long conversation, but I think video games are a lot different a lot Yeah, like Tony Stark's character was at least in the in the context of blockbuster films very subversive And that's I think one of the reasons he was able to be so funny And uh, yeah, you just don't get that anymore Well, funnily enough, um, I feel that way about dr. Strange like I liked watching him and I don't I don't think dr. Strange is a good film, but I do like dr. Strange. Um, and he's an asshole, too It's like hey, he's like a character You know, he is a distinct personality and he is on the track to like become a hero Um, I feel like the resistance towards ever having characters who are like dicks is uh Can can yield not so great results It's kind of a risk because I think like if you just make them a blank slate You know what you're gonna get But if you have a distinct character like I mean like dr. House or tony stark or dr. Strange or whatever Like the the ceiling is so much higher in terms of What you can accomplish than just having, you know, joe every man or whatever the fuck Yeah, I I tend to prefer when they're distinct even if uh Oh someone in chat said halo isn't a good storyline stuff it Say such things Doesn't have great characters, but that has a really like I'm gonna you can disagree with when soldier being best, but to say is awful is laughable Like it ain't laughable to us watch the debate I don't know. Maybe they wouldn't be convinced by that, but uh, I just it is funny speaks of just we are in perpetually a world that is celebratory of winter soldier and So why do you think people like winter soldier so much if you find it so repellent The pacing is probably like almost perfect. The action seems like really engaging It's a really cool movie to have your main guy be like completely underdogged in terms of he's being hunted down by like two governments at once um And I think they are the same with you know him and bucky It's like that's an emotional high point that is it's easy to see why everybody likes that part Um, but how we got there is pretty insane Which is usually like the issue with you know a film is how how did we get to our emotional payoff matters a lot Yeah, and there's like no scene that doesn't have an insane stupid shit in it And the problem is like we sit here as Google it conduits for like Ah, we've we've gotten all these standards about like inconsistencies and it's like winter soldier fucking has a bazillion of them What do we do with this and it's like, uh It's fun though. Yeah there's like 15 or 20 things wrong with um Like the the fury assassination scene like there are so much that doesn't work in the scene And it's the whole reason why the plot happened And they're already honestly you can see that for like every scene Well, yeah, because uh the scene when he gets like fate killed and everything involving that's like dude There's like probably 20 problems here that needs to be talked about um, yeah Yeah, I probably have a I probably have a slightly higher tolerance for things not making sense than you guys but I here's kind of an interesting question Because I feel if I go like go to a theater and sit down and the movie starts I feel like I have a very good impression of how good the movie is after like Legitimately 30 seconds like how you can sort of tell the level of craft that's on display um Do you guys feel the same way? I think sometimes you can tell not sure Um, but it's it's hard to say isn't that right? Like it depends on what you need to do at the beginning of a film like how long does it take to get started And I've I've gone to a point sometimes where I'm watching it and I'm like it really depends on how they end this will determine like Well, my mask kind of Well, so I guess here's the way that I would put it is I've seen movies that were otherwise acceptable or good ruined by bad endings But I've never seen a bad or unacceptable movie saved by the ending. I don't think that's ever happened Like can you think of examples of that? Uh I mean, I've seen a lot of terrible movies and it and I felt saved when it ended That's another thing altogether Yeah, no, um having something that's really bad than an ending that makes we go. Well, at least at least the ending was good It's like that doesn't really happen that often Well, the ending would have to totally recontextualize everything that happened before and make it like good Oh I can think of something but that's spoilers Oh We will this one of them for you'll know what I'm talking about the thing think of the description Something that gets recontextualized entirely by the ending Yeah, it literally makes it go from poorly written to well written That's uh, yeah That could be an interesting story villain the recontextualizer Wouldn't that still be a failure of writing if it was perceived to be bad and then saved like Well, the the context it's There's a reason why it's it's bad And I would go as far as saying there are clues to give that away to you, but it's only the end that it's explicit I think that's the big thing is it makes sense in universe why it's bad Um, which means that we've we've got something a bit different here I'd be interested to talk about that, but I'd say I have no like no idea what what the actual example is Unfortunately, I'll be given that away Yeah, if you if you remember just ask me about it. I have to stream and I can tell you all about it Don't worry. Sure Um, but yes, we were talking about the 10 rings. Let us continue Seemingly As you probably know in the comics the Mandarin is Tony Sark's arc We don't know that I think we need to we need to drop this idea that people just know the comics Well, it's weird that he explains so much about them, but then simultaneously we'll say like you know this It'd be like, oh, okay. It's like as yeah, that's as you probably know Iron man's arch nemesis like no The Mandarin is Iron Man's arch nemesis though. I will say yeah The sure well, it's so right. Would you say that there is no time that he should assume anyone knows anything about the comics Should what what if somebody yeah, because I guess the easy example would be obviously Joker is Batman's arch nemesis Would you have the same issue of like what do you mean? No, obviously not everybody's read the comics Well, there's uh, it's it's to a degree When like the idea that as you probably know Iron Man's arch nemesis is A lot of people know that though I was gonna say the I've known that and it doesn't come up in like a lot of stuff and I know I guess just because it's That's it doesn't I would actually argue is probably relatively common knowledge Even though it doesn't even sound that intuitive, right the Mandarin is Iron Man's enemy In the same way that it's relatively common knowledge that the Red Skull is like Yeah captain america's main enemy Well, I don't think you would ever need to say it because if you say as you already know when they actually do And you just should be mentioning it And if they don't know Yeah, if they don't know that just explain what that that's kind of the thing I brought up is the the whole as you probably know is like more likely than not to know this Um, I don't know if you're watching a movie called Chong Chi's when was the best Marvel villain Might actually be that you're more likely to know that than not Like if I if I was talking to I don't know someone walked out of I don't know some Like maybe romantic comedy and then I just jumped in front of it said hey as you know the Mandarin is like Iron Man's arch villain They might call the police, but No, after I explained to them why when we was the best Marvel villain He talks a lot about a comic book side of things I guess on his channel So it's safe to assume his fan base would have the maybe because I was gonna say like when you're talking to um People who've read the comics vaguely then you can guarantee they'll know that You can't guarantee they'll know Specific details. I guess so, you know, he's probably just balancing between those two audiences like a brand new person and a person Who knows this and finds it annoying that he would even say it as like news like um It's it's tough to know exactly what the answer is on that one. I guess As you probably know in the comics the Mandarin is Tony Stark's arch enemy his Joker or Lex Luthor Part of this has to do with Tony Stark's early connection to East Asia Via vietnam since his 60s origin had Tony getting captured in the vietnam war Like every few decades Tony Stark's origin is updated to be part of whatever the current global conflict is that the u.s it's kind of nuts that um That's happened with these remind me of homo his um childhood has to keep changing because Now it's the which feels so weird because I grew up in Essentially the 90s and I'm like homo was an adult when I was growing up. What do you mean? Yeah, just you have to keep updating everything to make it more. Yeah, I don't know It feels weird and I don't know what the solution for that is I guess just um I don't know unless you just well. Yeah, because the problem is either you have to keep it in the 90s or Keep up with modern kind of like the south park thing where it's like they've been 10 years old for like 25 years at this point I mean because someone could argue it's like isn't it worth doing because it's kind of funny And it's like I guess it should be about execution at that point if someone can bring that up Like homo, I thought you grew up in the 70s. He's like I don't know. Yeah, and maybe it is the fact that I'm more endeared to the old stuff. Obviously It's like nah, he grew up in the 70s. Sorry Yeah, I don't yeah Our sort of perception of homo as a character Relies some of those things to be in stone And I imagine there's a lot of people who feel that way about Tony Stark Especially if the comic fans will be like this was not his origin, but I haven't even heard that's the bonus with you And and I guess because you can get away with it more so with someone like wolverine because of the fact that he's Prolonged aging you can keep his origin most intact without having to keep updating it true Decades Tony Stark's origin is updated to be part of whatever the current global conflict is that the us Either started or just made worse most recently Afghanistan. So Tony faced off again. Okay. Thanks for that I I don't know. I don't know. Do the south koreans. Are they really At the united states are being in korea. I think they're pissed off about that Just an arbitrary injection Fuck the us Well, why didn't you just say they just updated it to like a war that was happening around that time That is the only relevant part of that, but you you had to throw it like the very specific opinion that politically you're like, okay Doki, thank you. Thank you for that. Yeah, us bad. You nailed it. Good job. There's no nuance to any of this There reasons for any of those conflicts And that's the thing if someone was like, well, it would be your choice to I don't know elaborate It's like, yeah, but you know, there's nothing you didn't have to put it in but you did Yeah, but you said it so he's a good person now Yes, and plus do we want to go down the road of uh, yeah, uh, afghanistan was better with a tall man And all stuff is like let's calm down. All right, especially now I just wanted to talk about this movie about the rings, man Well, so so this is kind of my point like oh this movie with dragons That's based on this nonsense with rings and magic and an iron man flying around It's like also the afghanistan war was a mystery like words. I'm sorry. What? Why did you we're talking about other things, but okay Only afghanistan so tony faced off against many east asian though mandarin a chinese warlord with 10 magic alien rings each of which grand superpower I don't even know about this. So they were actual rings Contains the miniature heart of a star and i'm sorry, what? And scorches the air before it You know Appears like super speed to the watt fuck me. So he's opus shit Yeah, oh my god Creates world upon world of illusory fable as impossible to escape as a tangle of dreams, but this is like a tangle of dreams This is better than the infinity star Decelerates time around the wearer appears a super speed to the watcher. Holy fuck Yeah, this is holy crap. This tan of these two It's opposed to six. Yeah And how hard would it be to get all ten of these off of his fingers? Do you like how you got incandescence spectral light-digger than the liar I'm gonna go with and then spin Well spin is yeah spit is distracting too They sound like cards and Opens a beam of nothingness Opens a beam of nothingness Nine years for a day. Oh, no I got a ray here. I'm gonna pull it back a little bit Okay, so it's where a daimonic difference right daimonic super power pretty stained loyalty There we go. Okay opens a beam of nothingness from the icy heart of outer space Create a deafening boom as the vacuum is filled. What the fuck? Wow Wines up and warps the air itself could appear ghostly could appear not at all Gee What does that mean winds up and warps air itself can appear not at all That's it means it can be invisible. He can be invisible. Yeah, so he can be invisible He can summon black holes. He can fabricate How was Tony supposed to defeat him? There's no possible way that he could defeat him If he's got all these powers Yeah Blow up like when you bring it into earth almost each of these rings would defeat toady easily like Yeah You know the whole like creates a willed upon willed of illusory fable as impossible to escape the tangle of dreams I'm sorry. How are you escaping that? How do you escape? Yeah, we have we have all of them here in this one Shadows and reimagines relationships on a subatomic level Wait, what? Oh, I guess that explains how he got married to that chick Relationships That explains their divorce Well, I don't get divorced. I mean, I guess they get the ultimate divorce Look at that one creates various forces that undergo a body Sorry, that caused the body to undergo change. You're like like killing them. I'm assuming like what does that mean? Yeah, like can I can I separate them into like 17 different pieces and they die or Creates malleable darkness Okay, well here well here could be so the day monochrome actually explain the plot hole Of the wife's motivation the irresistible urge compels people into the unknown Creates loyalty and creates obsession so that could explain that Why would you need an army? I mean these things create more problems that they solve I think it's safe to say that They actually the day monochrome explains so many plot holes because there's this crazy part of the movie Where like both of the kids have run away from the dad and then the dad shows up and the kids are like, oh, yeah We'll just go with you now Well, until they don't It's safe to assume that the rings here are not the rings in the film like oh, yeah, of course They just do not have these capabilities at all Well, yeah, I don't know. I don't even know what this is taken from honestly, so Well, maybe it's different another piece of media who knows like other comics We But I mean this is insane like it's malleable darkness a dark light What is that? What does that mean? What is malleable darkness? Malleable dark it malleable the absence of malleable. Yeah, you can sort of wield it as a sword I mean tech you could shape He has a dark saber. Oh, he has to be I he definitely has he is he is this is mega edge Yes I didn't know Moff Gideon was the mandarin I always thought it was obvious ringing, but yeah Yeah, maybe I was paying enough attention Okay, so we okay, so we stanos I mean, yeah, basically I don't have trouble defeating this guy. Yeah Here's the mandarin had a pretty consistent look with the occasional extreme redesign Like how they turned him into a green monster man in the 90s cartoon where modak was a little baby So iron man one comes out and hey, that's the ten rings Like the mandarin and that villain he's got a ring. I wonder if he's the mandarin or he's working for the mandarin Could be and then iron man two apparently the ten rings gave bonko his ticket to monaco They have their hands in a lot of different pots and they're meddling in tony stark's affairs again This has to be leading to something So then we get a comment and shame black ruined it I'm sorry. I will perpetually be salty that bankings. They didn't get to play an actual mandarin Well, no because now he is condemned to tremor slattery Yeah, we've had two full movies with him being just he's awkwardly there like hello Yeah, that's that's a very fun question. Is that the guy in the prison cave at the end? Yes Yeah, why is he there? I like you say at the end That's right. It's not at the end. It's just kind of that's halfway Yeah I was so confused about who that was and why he was around Yeah, so that's that's trevor slattery He was fake mandarin and iron man three like and the trailers had him be this really cool intimidating Uh villain who was going to come up against iron man and presumably use magic against a hero who was finally tech This ruthless cunning And like didn't he had like a very he came across as having one the singular purpose and he was going to achieve it And it was Going to show iron man for like a fraud or something, you know, there was It's it it's weird because shame black would have made that part too and it's just like That please Can you do more of that? That would be nice What's up? Okay, so but what what is the character's function in shang chi the film? Um, he doesn't do anything Yeah I guess he's there. He's there to talk to the like, uh, magical creature to get them through the forest Yeah Out of context is so hilarious. It's like I say to talk to the headless creature to get them through the magical forest It's called like a wound wound or something apparently. It's like actually that's a legitimate like a thing in chinese folklore. Yeah It's it's legitimate. Yeah Yeah, that was that that whole I was so confused even rewatching it I was like he was giving his whole spiel and I'm like, what are you talking about? I don't know who you are Sorry, what can you have an illegitimate made up thing? Maybe well, I mean it would be the idea of it's not It's it's like a thing that was created. Uh I guess the idea would be like if you said that it was part of the mythology, but it wasn't it's like Oh, so that is something you had in that case. Yeah Yeah, well, I think that's what that would be the distinction I guess so A potential rewrite of shang chi that I thought as I was watching it that just makes so much more sense to me Is that the kids don't defect until they just stay with the father And the father goes to the place and they defect once they get to the timeless isle or whatever Wouldn't that just solve the entire messy part of the movie that's just Yeah, doesn't make sense Yes, you wouldn't have to do the Travis Lattery thing You wouldn't have to do any of that stuff. Oh my god He would because like because it's right after they do the magical water, whatever the fuck maize Uh, whatever that was and then he's like, oh now I know how to get to the place that I already got to without Instructions. Okay, let's go and then the kids are like No, don't do that. And it's like Just don't say that just go And then you skip like half an hour of Movie doesn't make any sense. Yeah I suppose the they wanted to have that gap where the our heroes can train for a day or whatever Also, why would you imprison your daughter in a place? She's already broken out of He forgot about that. This is mark, too. This is he updated the security. He changed his password He did a he gave all of his guards diversity training He made sure that all the building was up to code And he's like now uh now I am unstoppable. He changed his twitter, uh His company's twitter profile to have the the rainbow flag in it. I am unstoppable now. He said to himself No one can escape me. But then he got eaten by a big demon. So explain that by big demon But turns out it was a metaphorical demon. He succumbed to Pressures of the world around him and it destroyed who do you think the big demon represents cancellation Oh, it might be Oh, yeah, who who wasn't that got canceled because I knew somebody got canceled. Is it the main guy? Oh, yeah, yeah main guy because he yeah, he he said some things Um, that's unfortunate. He's from china Sorry Is he from china? I'm not sure. I haven't looked into it. I just know that he's canadian. Oh, okay Yeah, I thought he was canadian The time was canon I cannot find anything official one way or the other about whether it is canon now But during the events of his two issue comic Rody in the new and improved war machine armor goes to china to fight the 10 rings In fact, he's been tracking the 10 rings all over the world because it's such a big deal And they have a hammer tech tank which fires x-wife missiles that work because as has been pointed out to me By many people many times and I appreciate every single one The x-wife was a kinetic kill switch Which means it wouldn't detonate under a certain radius to protect the user and there is no way that 20 feet is the radius so finally, so um I don't know freaks for the only person who's going to remember i-man 2 enough to be able to talk about this I guess but you you just saw the clip there I always hated that moment in i-man 2 because those people found it really funny And I was just like dude with how they described that thing we wouldn't want that blowing up right next to tony and rhodi So like that was a really dumb move by rhodi anyway But according to what he just said it wasn't a dud missile Which by the way doesn't quite make sense as well like the idea that like our hammer tech You know, it's all shit computer tony. It's like what just he doesn't know how to make a missile explode Like I don't know just the joke doesn't quite land for me But it's also that um If if it's the matter of it needs to travel further than that before it's armed then that just makes rhodi look like a complete fucking idiot Yeah So that's great Under a certain radius to protect the user and there is no way that 20 feet is the radius So the x-wife worked perfectly rhodi used it wrong justice served Anyway, and here's where it gets really messy at the end of this comic Which takes place during the events of avengers We actually kind of see the leader of the 10 rings like just his hands like dr. Claw and inspector gadget But he's a real guy and seems to be known as and is referred to by his subordinate as Mandarin but then in iron man 3 we learned that the mandarin is a title invented by killing and there was It's just funny to me. So I'm just like yes, the mcu's continuity is just completely fucked. Yeah I we know Oh, well, so because the pot I'm interested in this video is where he's gonna get to us assume soon where he's like But when was amazing and here's why Is not one known as the mandarin and when will makes the same point in shang chi And I can already hear some of you shouting Well in the all hail the king bonus one shot on the iron man 3 dvd Someone working for the real mandarin who I think is supposed to be dark. How do you know they're working for the real mandarin? I don't even I haven't even seen this Because I have a tattoo Have you seen this free? I haven't No, I didn't even know this existed Kidnapped Trevor is punishment. Also. Wait, so he's kidnapped all the way back in iron man 3 Okay, I didn't even know that I'd heard about some kind of short thing, but I guess that answers that because iron man 3 was what 2000 uh So it's been Seven plus years Since they figured out what to do with Trevor after he got kidnapped. It's like damn, okay God must be so frustrating to try to make sense of all this for the real mandarin Who I think is supposed to be dark hawk or something kidnaps trevor is punishment Also, Justin hammer has a boyfriend first gay disney character suck it background characters holding hands and all the other stuff And then why is it good that they're okay? Is it better than them being straight? What are you eating? chicken Right get a cock out of your mouth when you're talking on e-fab, okay, I know almost So I have a reputation to protect um That's what you think. Ha, this is a real first gay trigger. Yeah, I'm so good. I think that's good. Okay. You good. I mean it's still It's all very weird with that sort of stuff because it's just like it seems like he's pointing out That it's meaningless when they have random people in the background hug or kiss has been like see look lesbians Um, because it's like pandering then Isn't that what that was just then it was like just in hammer has a boyfriend. It's like, okay Okay, I think it doesn't it doesn't really matter unless it substantively affects the story You know, it's like Like I've never written a character's race because it's just not relevant. I don't really care It's not affecting what's going on Peruvian Yeah, it's like they'll they'll be like, oh this character is whatever and it's like but if it doesn't affect their choices, then You can just shuffle it around it doesn't make it Well, I was gonna say the fact that you just highlight is like you can shuffle it around They tend to do that. Um, and then they tend to delete those scenes when they send the movie out internationally Depending on the country That's how it's that's how you do in modern day. Uh, the chinese market is uh, Yeah, they don't want to see two girls kissing in this doll's movie I think some new china star just came out where they were banning Uh, let me double check. Um china had done a thing with video games where you weren't allowed to display, um Like homosexual relationships and video games or stuff like that They they dropped a new one Yeah, I think that People have been saying that's like a law. Apparently it's not a law. It's like an advisory notice It's like Here's how you can know over there in accordance with Yeah, yeah, just normal gay video games I mean the funny the funny one the funny one to me The funny one to me was that you aren't allowed to um Show characters making immoral choices in video games It's like you can't have something like fable where there's like an evil arc. It's like not allowed Well, I think you can only make good choices like okay. It's interesting I hope they have piracy over there Yeah, so much for open world games. Disney's offsuring for all of Disney's look at us. We're so good. We're so progressive. They don't give a fuck because china's got money Well, I mean the Mulan Like you can call that a scandal right the Mulan thing. That was uh, probably the worst thing disney've done What? Um, they filmed next to like Camps that they the Uyghur concentration camps. Yeah, they They like thanked them in the credits of the movie for giving them The opportunity or something. It's just like oh my god Jesus Yeah, one of the goons working for mitch whatever his name is has a ten rings tattoo So they are still a thing the tricky part of all of this. Is it no no no no no So let me explain how tattoos work So that doesn't mean the ten rings are still a thing it means that They could not be a thing anymore, but he still has a tattoo I get your point, but important distinction Do you want to finish your food? No, yeah I could just mute you if you want because talking like this is actually kind of annoying just slam Um as for the the tattoo being present I would say this there's no way that they would have signaled that an ant man If they didn't want you to think that the ten rings are still around or influential in some way Be really doubtful if they were like no, it's just an ex member who's chilling like okay Would the ten rings want you to get a tattoo on like your wrist or your neck? Apparently so I think it's dumb, but hey It's really silly to me because it's just like unless it's sort of particularly concealed part of the body It's like why have something that tells people exactly who you're loyal to like why? It's like Mandalorian all over again Oh, yeah Only know about the iron man three trevor twist as far as they are concerned There is no man Enderings is fake and was set up by aldrich killian, but aldrich That's a bad person's name You don't name your good person aldrich, you know, that's one of those evil names that you give to characters like oh Your name is aldrich. You're a baddie Yeah, it's not when he introduces himself you're like, oh That sounds really evil like aldrich. You're like, uh, no There totally has been a mandarin character in the background by And yellow jackets and tanks who also seems to have some sort of vandetta against iron man Real mandarin is chinese even though that is not part of the identity of the ten rings and no one knows who he is So why did killian make up the chinese? I'm very confused. This is like this is this is pretty What does that to do with wenwu? Well, so we're obviously getting there. No, my my points apparently the opposite to you guys I'm saying this is actually pretty decent work. Um Of showing how fucked the continuity is. I just this is unusual for his channel Yeah, and Well, we've like we've already talked about how the continuity is busted I like the point is that this is a Because of how inconsistent it is you can try and attempt to draw some through line as to Wenwu's potential previous Actions No, I'm assuming he's gonna say that when we basically flushed all of this and Wenwu's a completely different thing who hates this lot And he's gonna be like thank fuck because this doesn't make any sense at all Which is probably true, but at the same time I would have just dropped the ten rings and the mandarin name at this point Uh, especially because it's not going to do with iron man, too So you're not appealing to like iron man fans. You're just appealing to like some people know the mandarin name, I guess Now I guess for disney that's enough. Why don't they know the name? We gotta keep it Why aren't they adapting clue master? What was his name in that one? I think it was clue finder For you, what was it? Clue? Clue master Clue Gulliger Whatever it was. I want more of that even if it is DC. I don't care And so did did mandarin have a kid called sheng chi in the in the comics? Oh, fuck if I know, I don't I don't know how accurate that old that's gonna be and so maybe that's the reason that Maybe that's true and that's why they had to keep it His name quite terrorist who operates primarily out of the Middle East since it did not come from Wenwu Why the china connection at all and I'm not saying this to nitpick although I do have a nitpick for later I'm just demonstrating how confusing the idea of the mcu mandarin is So we're adding zheng zhu's Confusing This is a video about how good this villain is we're seven and a half minutes in Yeah, we haven't gotten a single argument for why he's good and we do have arguments for why it's bad Well, I feel like I'm just sort of waiting for the I assume the next half is going to be all about Wenwu That's the only way to salvage this right now because we've spent a long time not talking about him So it's like if I made a video like, you know, oh jangle and change the best movie ever and just rip it apart and then move it Yeah, I don't know then run to the end you go. It was all right. I guess Yeah, whatever With mandarin's messy mcu history and getting Wenwu How on earth is this character supposed to work? He should be a disaster of canon and contradictions But instead so no actually like you you can easily pull him out of a tangled web Anybody who makes another movie in the mcu doesn't actually have to have a tangled web of nonsense to deal with they can ignore loads of it Um Like a daredevil movie, for example Could be like the best in the mcu even if it were released right now because they can just be like I ain't gonna address the time travel I ain't gonna address blah blah blah. It's just gonna be a street level Guy who gets his stuff and blah blah. I mean you can criticize it for being inconsistent with the will building I guess i'm just saying that like just because of how tangled the 10 rings and mandarin were Doesn't mean Wenwu would have to suffer So it was established in iron man 3 that like uh Trevor I guess was a fake mandarin right and that there was a real mandarin Well, so what would be the contradiction? That's the thing the the shangchi does try to address why Well, because he says he doesn't even go by the mandarin and they make fun of the name by calling it a chicken dish Which is weird It's also a dialect of chinese. It's a really weird comment Yeah, I assume it's just to try and make fun of iron man 3 Given all the other failed attempts at humor in the film. I'm gonna assume it was a failed attempt at humor Yeah But it is totally at iron man 3's expense trying to be like that was a mistake of the past We're now we're doing it right this time that sort of thing because fucking Other franchises do this where they reference their past mistakes But they are a mistake themselves. It's just awkward I was just gonna ask like so what would be the necessary contradictions Like I guess there's if you're gonna have him going around like knocking over world governments But somehow not affecting world events. That's a pretty massive contradiction. Yeah Baked into whatever they wanted to bring to the party if if we're talking about how do we make a Mandarin that is the boss of the 10 rings Then yeah, you're gonna have some trouble because the 10 rings are an organization That's really really confusing if you look at the MCU It's like it's just gonna be difficult to Try and make a formidable and shadowy government type 10 rings organization The simultaneously fit all of the stuff we've seen in the MCU so far Okay, that makes sense And which is why I would have dropped it myself. I just been like whatever, but they've got the 10 rings So this is like, you know gotta do something the filmmakers Who makes complete sense? He's a conqueror who thinks all of the Iron Man 3 Bandarin stuff Well, no, I feel like I feel like that conqueror bit. We just sort of flew over Yeah, we We talked about before but like he was He got started like thousands of years ago or whatever, right? 4,000 years. I don't fucking remember Yeah, it's all this stuff never showed up in the history books Yeah, no one has any clue about any of his conquer conquer conquerings No one wrote it down which tip people tend to typically write down How of those huge conquering wars go? They're kind of important So I don't know Maybe he'll maybe he'll explain. Maybe he's just setting it. Maybe he's doing more setup And then we'll get to the explanation. Let's talk about it um the The angle of taking our world as we know it where there is no Wenwu and being like it is the exact same But he was controlling everything. It's just like, huh? It doesn't really match anything we know, but it's sort of like a just accepted. Oh Here's something that's really weird. So they were establishing that like the um That what's it called tau lower tau la the like I call it the timeless isle I don't know what it's called But like they said they have their own like mega civilizations, right? So why wouldn't you just have him dominating their mega civilizations and then like come over here Then you wouldn't have destroyed the world of everything in the mcu now And like why would you just drop that by the way? We have like It's basically our own like Alternate dimension Wakanda or whatever and they just like skip over it and like literally a sentence and just like never mentioned it again Well, it is pretty bizarre to be like there's a whole world over there of Civilization people and stuff and there's just this portal it takes to another A world and it seems that both sides don't really care that much Yeah, and they're still like operating on The tech tree of 2000 years ago, but they have Skyscrapers or only in the part that they're defending the end of the world that do they have the really shit technology because that makes total sense It's so weird like And it's so just plonked on Just this this it's unnecessary. You don't need that like you could have just cut that entire exposition scene I think the movie would have made more sense I would have just accepted. Okay. There's a cthulhu monster locked in the mountain whatever like Surrounded by an impenetrable forest that eats you I don't know when you get to that point it's already just like god. How do we how do we square this away with everything else that's It ain't easy and does doctor strange know about any of this does he care? He's supposed to like detect this stuff, right? But Well, yeah, as is everyone in the mc. They're all on their own fucking adventures and this was just What's the point of making cohesive by making it so incohesively? Great job And stuff is stupid. So he doesn't really want to talk about it Yeah, like you think every movie would be at least like a pairing of characters Not just solo stuff. There'd be a lot more focus on cooperative. This character meets this character Do they fight for a bit and then become friends or do they cooperate on a quest and that their personalities mesh or clash or So a lot of lost opportunities with a lot of these quote-unquote solo movies Maybe doesn't that happen a lot in the comics like crossover between characters? I'm sure I'd say that the goal is different from that rags. We got like, um Each show is introduced the new main character like that seems to be the goal instead of having main characters Do buddy cop stuff like um, monica rambo is the one to come out of wander vision Sylvie's out of Loki Welcome to soldier. I guess you could argue It's mainly just turning him into captain america Um, and then of course shang chi is all the shang chi stuff with just wang being like hi I make this official. This is this is also in terms of like going forward because now we're in phase four We've already had a lot of these characters around and they just They they all seem like they've just spread out to do their own thing instead of Oh, I've got to do this thing. I should call da da da and then Like it Because a lot of times it just doesn't make sense how a lot of these stories can just not have any of the other You know characters involved, especially with how cataclysmic they're trying to make them Oh, yeah, and of course black widow was uh Yelena he's um He's in it now and then people mention a walker as well It's like, yeah, all of these people are getting their own shows movies So it's just that's all phase four has been it's just being like hey look at this person They're new and you like them get ready for more things Not like actually trying to bring everything together and make some sense here Are they are they going to try and top Thanos do you guys know? Oh, I'm sure it'll be galactus right like or something like that probably I mean I I guess it means what you mean by top because if you mean because they've already like power level wise It's just incomprehensible at this point with kang and that's what I was wondering. Yeah power level wise it kang The ultimate controller of all the cosmos for all time except for now. He's dead Some people like we do like walker though. It's like, yeah, and he's been said to join a villain team more than likely So I felt with that everybody Basically a combat with a weapon that matches some flags from other movies, but that's it it is Genius, so that's the back story. Okay. It's fucking like crazy for me. I'm gonna roll it back relatively far All of the iron man three bander and stuff is stupid So he doesn't really want to talk about it Basically a completely new guy with a weapon that matches some flags from other movies, but that's it. It is Genius, so that's christ calm down. I'll be interested in knowing why it's genius I'm sure we're getting that any any second now. It's coming up. Yeah That is a high high praise genius is quite the acolyte. Yeah, maybe maybe we shouldn't use all of these confusing details genius Yeah, this is like that seems just like a basic idea, but maybe He's referring to uh, the specifics and he's about to get to him, you know, maybe That's the big reason why I believe wenwoo is the best marvel villain. Wenwoo has the best marvel weapon Yeah So how can you like vulture how can vulture even compare? What do you mean? Okay, I'm just gonna throw this out there. I was about the best if we're talking about he's got the best weapons I think you've misinterpreted. I don't think he means like he's saying the most powerful the most powerful He means the best is in the coolest. Whereas I disagree with that. Yeah, I think they're shit They they it's unclear what they even do like really. Yeah, that's what I was gonna say I was so confused by how they work Like they're they work. It's like a pogo stick so he can kind of fly And then aside from that, I don't understand. How is he like how has he lived for a thousand years and no one shot him Like I don't have a good explanation for that Like here's like do you and guns have a tumultuous relationship shadowy has guns, right? Well, do you remember his team don't even have guns they have electric crossbows Well, it's just it's a question. I legitimately don't know the answer to like do guns exist because like You know, you'll have you'll have horror movies where phones don't exist because they just like fuck the entire thing And you could imagine the same thing of like the npt trying to like write out guns Like I guess I could understand that but if guns exist, it's like Someone would go take your rings like I don't know Or there would be like a a mutineer and the organization who would like shoot him in his sleep and take his rings like Yeah, I completely agree the the rings suck. Um, the the strange They they'd seem to do whatever is needed to do at the time And simultaneously can't do enough when he needs them to defeat particular things Uh, there's so many weird interactions. They're like sometimes they're a whip Like a huge energy blast. He can sometimes fly with them. You can spin them around you in a big bowl Uh, you can throw them into the belly of a dragon and explode it. It's like, oh I didn't know I have no fucking clue what any of this is like. I just don't they also They just defect sometimes. They just like decided. Oh now five of them are for Shang-Chi or whatever It's like what a fucking liability Your weapon will sometimes betray you He's actually kind of cool. I'm gonna go be on his side It reminds me of the one of offer and uh in black ops It would sometimes damage you when you fire it and it's like that is not The preferable element to a fucking gun design flaw It was a powerful gun. That's the excuse I I already have enough trouble suspending disbelief during these like comic action sequences But when I don't understand the most basic mechanics of how your weapon works, it's a pretty big problem Yeah, I'm surprised he's gonna praise it, but let's see what he says The 10 Are cool as hell move over me on there. No move over stormbreaker. No move over the captain america shield That's probably what he calls it move over whatever the eternals do glowy outlines the 10 rings rule It is a downright inspired move to turn the finger rings into Wait, do you say it's the best weapon? Uh, apparently you said it's wait, so it's better than the infinity gauntlet. I guess so I guess Which there was problems with that too, but that that made way more sense than these things I mean, you just said cool like the infinity gauntlet's really fucking cool I say that is someone who hates these movies, but it's a pretty cool idea Cool fact is the difficult one, right? Like is like isn't the iron man suit like one of the coolest weapons if there is Yeah, well, yeah, the iron man suit would fucking beat these stupid rings like easily. There's not even a competition Well, you're a nuke, I guess Yes, uh I'm surprised to move over bealdea. It's like bealdea is cooler than these Pretty cool. He spins it around and it has lightning that comes out of it. You can pull him off And people can't pick it up. Yeah, then it has that like really Yeah, it's cool This is a thing of a cool factor It's tough because everyone's gonna find different things cooler than others But we sort of we all we all sort of like I was sitting there like come on that thing's cooler than that though, right? and um I don't know if you caught it. He was about to say it's a downright inspired move to turn them from finger rings into bracelets It's like why? I don't even He's not even rise to the level of cool for me. Honestly. No, they don't really for me awkward Yeah, I don't find them or the concept cool So I guess that's the conclusion here is like if your bait arguments gonna well, what are the bait arguments? Is they cool? We're just sitting like, I don't think they're cool. That's about as far as I could go There we go. We did that one next one Multra's arms are way cooler. Oh, yeah They're based on the iron rings that are typically used for training Gets your arms strong and your forearms tight as seen in drunken master Okay, so that has nothing to do with the rings in this though Like you can like that is an argument for what they're useful for just has no bearing on shang chi, but fair enough But like in kung fu hustle the best movie you can another thing worth pointing out is they look a lot cooler when they're not powered up When they're just like bracelets Why do they turn if they look dumber? Why do they turn from blue to orange? What's that about? Well, that's when they're defecting when they decide That's when they good That's useful when you know, they change color. You're like, no, uh But maybe you have your loyal rings fight the disloyal rings Yeah, because did they turn a little bit orange during the like when he's fighting his wife? Yeah, I think Yeah, that's a good guy color His bad guy color God that was so odd Yeah, that's not very cool if someone could just take your rings from you She ends up firing them at him and he like picks them back up and stuff and it's just like Why even let them have like this the second they yours you should probably just run away and be like they might know I'll use these to protect the dragon shrine or whatever you better This is a critical problem. You have a weapon that you have to throw at something And they just decide fuck you sometimes and then they just go help the enemy Yeah, you might you might even say is one of the least cool fucking weapons in the whole of the fc Yeah, it's it's like it's like you have a like a familiar in a video game But sometimes it just attacks you for no reason you have to like run away from it Uh sounds so much fun. I love it You can also use and since they will protect your forearms from some weapons too. That's also they just look cool What you just showed was bullshit. Well, I guess something that doesn't make sense I don't even know that that happens in shang chi through the rings Well, it depends what the rings are made of I guess right Well, I mean if the rings aren't connected to each other then if you slashed it then it would blade would probably just go right through the rings um I guess maybe if it was at an angle. Yeah But then that's a super risky move to have all that protection based on a place like that And just that doesn't really happen in shang chi again Like he's he gave it two compliments that are for different uses in different movies. So she's like that's strange, but okay The tentatively clever weapon because of how versatile they end up being you can use them to make energy We just went over how much it makes no sense at all and he's saying like in the great how much anything can happen I mean Well versatility isn't necessarily cool, especially because Uses are often imbued onto objects like sticks like yeah chairs are very versatile. That doesn't mean they're necessarily clever I mean, maybe the cleverness isn't the thing itself. It's your usage of them. The cleverness is you I'm imagining like an infomercial where someone's like explaining all the things you can do with these rings It could be a force field It could be a fire energy blast. You can be a pogo stick. You can fly you can put yourself in a big bubble You can have them be stolen from you. You're like, uh, oh These rings are flex seal. They're square space. They're What was what was the one you were when gift? What was that we get in the street? Oh, it was a quib. Quib gift. All right. That's it. Quib gift. Yeah Can you get the ring like can you collect all the rings eventually with quib gift like one per month? The rings are like oh, I don't know if they've got enough to take care of them I don't know if they have enough rings to pass out. That's the thing. Yeah You can use them to make a big punch or you can put all 10 on one arm to make the biggest punch What is happening right now? What my thing is I'm wondering like I would love some accompanying visuals if you're gonna tell me how something how something is just that cool I would have visuals to support that instead of just telling me you make a big punch with them I mean unfortunately, he's not gonna have access to visuals just yet It's probably just like the trailer material, right? Yeah, he might have some clips of the rings being used but probably not for everything he wants to say So here the rings are like I've seen the movie though, so he should have clips from it The rings here are like that chick sword from uh, soul caliber. It's her name ivy Why do you why do you think you would have clips from the movie? Can he he has seen it unless he thought it theaters maybe yeah, it wasn't released on streaming. Okay Oh, okay. All right. All right. I thought it was one of those sorts of things If you use all 10 you can make a really big punch That's it that this punch. This is gonna need all 10 rings for this punch. This is a Imagine because that's the first one that he's complimented the rings for that actually matters to this movie He can like punch the ground But if he puts all 10 rings on one arm, then punches is like a big old punch, you know like yeah That's true. Just just throwing this out there. That was not at all clear to me watching the movie I wouldn't blame you know, there's the level of there's a level of Of intuitiveness that oh, let's talk about a really recent example I've been playing the halo infinite beta liking it quite a bit You can have a you can have pieces of equipment in halo Infinite right you one of them is a grappling hook So you can grapple in a fairly intuitive way onto Walls and ceilings and stuff to cross gaps or get up high or to move quickly Like all right that that makes sense, you know grappling hook you can grapple Other characters right and pull them in You know so you can close the distance because you're grappling and other players like okay That's pretty intuitive. You use an item over there. I'm gonna grapple that item and bring it to me That's that's pretty intuitive that makes sense So it's like all of these different things are a result of the force We've used the force as an example The basic telekinesis can pull things push things move them around it can block your windpipe There's a lot a lot of emergent kind of Things you could do from this one power And when I hear about these rings, I'm like, yeah, you can jump you jump up in the air. What you make a big punch I'm like, I don't see the through line Yeah, it's stuff. It's like it's just stuff Yeah And apparently that makes them really cool If you were to ask a question can the rings do x and we haven't already seen x you just have no idea No, yeah, I well to be honest with you. I can't tell you what I imagine it in my head I can't tell you what they can't do like if I can't confidently say like they cannot Create a shockwave that'll blast everybody in a radius around you for a mile I can't confidently say that just because I haven't seen it. I don't know that's not true They probably can't time travel I I don't know man They spin them around themselves real fast and shangchi concentrates and then it opens a portal I could believe that that's something they could do I'm just like this is the portal to the past and you'd be like, oh, okay I guess we'll see as soon as they have a narrative reason to want time travel again That's the other thing, man Like they're gonna want to be Yeah, they're gonna want to create that sense in the audience with these things going forward So when shangchi battles fucking whoever He's probably gonna do some stuff with these things that we've never seen before because that's how fucking cool They are they're like the best weapon. They're so cool See when when eye man punches someone and then he like puts extra armor on a fist and punches them again For a bigger punch That's not as cool as when you do a big punch with these and then you put all the rings on one hand and do a bigger punch I don't even like you also I'm very confused as to what's so interesting about these things You you run up on a problem because as soon as you put 10 rings on one arm and punch something It's like you can't go beyond that, right? Like that was maximum power. I guess we had we had the ceiling of what the And this is a guy who's dealt with them for like a thousand years shangchi had them for like a day And he was basically the exact same So i'm just like well people people are controlled without even knowing what they are His wife is able to control them shangchi is just able to control them Well, okay, so that's even more interesting. How is it that a guy who has a thousand years And 10 rings on his like repertoire is defeated by his son who has like nothing except he learned how to control the wind vaguely I mean in every in every meaningful way. It's like he hasn't been around for a thousand years Yeah, because there's no effect on his personality. There's no effect on the world He doesn't like you said he doesn't have like some training Like you would think he's like, you know in a fucking basically in a dragon ball z time chamber just training for a thousand years There would be something about him that was like special, but there just isn't I mean, there's really nothing about this character I can see that would be different than if he Had just found the rings in like the 70s Yeah, he just found the rings in the 70s and then they like had a family and his wife got murdered And then he got mad and you know went to go smash a big dragon door and like what would be different about the movie Literally nothing and I You're making me wonder like why did they even bother? Is it to make it feel more grand? Like Look at this story spanning a thousand years. You're like, oh, that's an infectious thing in the mcu now Like when it talks about scale and everything has to be just so but with thousand years Wow, you can't even comprehend how big that is. Isn't that amazing how grand scale we are But it seems stupid on his face like the the first thing I'm watching in the movie is him like blowing up governments And then they just cut past it and forget about it. I'm just what What Oh, yeah, he's like Yeah, he's just like the cia or something is you know running around cova covert operations He's like what is it mi6 and the james bond universe. They're just like blowing up governments Oh, yeah, but don't worry about that Well, yeah, I'm pretty worried about that. What usually in these sorts of Movies and through lines and franchises. There's like the one shadowy group behind things doing pulling strings but in the mcu now we had like Several that were apparently active at once all pulling strings with the highest political forces I don't know if you know this but like Black widow established the russians were doing it since I guess early 90s even before that Uh hydra were doing it since the At least the 70s earlier than the 70s even and then of course when when was been doing it for a thousand years And then kang has been the one that's controlling everybody anyway It's like the most insane chess board you've ever seen which is stuff is every bit You just you hear there are strings being pulled, but you never see the strings. Nope And like this is the difference between Man, it's really a shame game of thrones got canceled after four seasons But it's like in the first three seasons of game of thrones when you like see all of this like Politicking and strings being pulled like the immediate impact on things a little bit of an irony there is that uh Oh an irony. This is gonna work. I'm in three Uh, they actually show that the mandarin and the ten rings have influenced in the government because they've you could say bribed A particularly influential politician below the president Unless like something you actually see And that movie's a joke Like but these these movies they they show you like an image of oh look ray winstons hanging out with clinton You're like, okay. What does that mean? Does he like does he advise him? Does that it's like never mind? Bye He had influence shadowy government. Oh my god racov is responsible for the assault weapons band. What an evil bastard Well, if no one has the guns except racov and uh racov wins As you can see his blackwood is a very well trained You're very well trained. They're the apex training. Um They're lindy beige actually released this video like yesterday or the day before talking about magic And he said in that video that there's a reason why Typically when we think of like a wizard or a mage we think of an old man Right because uh, it is a very studious thing to learn magic and to study it And it takes a lot of time and a lot of effort and by the time that you are very powerful So much time is past that you are oftentimes an old man. It has taken that long So you see an old man sorcerer and you're like, oh shit that guy He is oh boy. He's really showing his and we're talking to people here like 50 60 70 80 90 years old in these kinds of ideas, you know these kinds of worlds And how powerful they are after training for that amount of time and you could believe it You know with that that kind of commitment and grounding And with this when woo guy you're just like, oh I don't believe that you've been doing this It's even worse isn't it that you're because he's not just not 90. He's not 1000 Exactly Like there's no grounding to anything. There's no it it almost always comes back to this basic of cause and effect This thing therefore this thing And it's it's not like he's no there's no link There's no link between what I see and what it means or what's actually happening and what's displayed to me I mean, you would think if he was like a power hungry psychopath who's been so successful That he would be like good at it But his idea of how to get his kids back is to send assassins to go kill them Like oh, yeah, that'll Turn him to my side. Oh man He fights off the assassins. He's worthy. He's like, but you don't know the assasins coming That's the thing about assassins they strike when you don't expect so all your skill doesn't count for anything Exactly I hate that fucking shit where it's like the best trained person in the world someone You know, they're they're in their day job of just they're just a bartender or something And someone just walks up to them and shoots them with a gun. They're like, oh, you weren't very good like Why do they do it that's the thing that's why you do it that way because that person is very good So you have to circumvent the things they are skilled in Well, it's also like I think it was a Muhammad Ali Some really famous boxer was like I would never want to fight a crazy person Just with the assumptions being that even if you're incredibly in shape and like, you know Not just at the top of your game, but at the top of like the human game and doing something You know, if you're fighting someone who isn't Well and isn't going to play by the rules. You don't know what's going to happen, you know You might get hurt and you don't Oh, what is that you mentioned this quote it is yeah It's it's it's mark twain had a very similar quote that I mostly disagree with um, I get I guess I get the the idea but the the aspect of um Let me see if I can pull it mark Mark because we were we were very specific quote that we were just randomly talking about like yesterday or something And then you happen to say a very very similar quote from someone Uh, let me mark twain fighting quote I think it could be skill might be a keyword It's a concentrated power of will It's something about an antagonist to Oh, I wish I could find it. I where where did we actually um, well if you look through our Groups you might be able to find something, but um, I mean, it's not hard to summarize Basically, there was a subreddit that was sharing The kylo and ray battle Ah, yeah, that's the one. I think it was the fucking sequel memes or some bullshit and there's a mock drawing twain quote. It's like, uh You know people have like high skill Preferably wouldn't want to fight someone of like zero skill because they're so unpredictable that they could be like a real challenge Oh found it All right. Yeah mark timing mark twain Uh, don't you know there are some things that can beat smartness and foresight Awkwardness and stupidity can the best swordsman in the world doesn't need to fear the second best swordsman in the world No, the person for him to be afraid of is some ignorant antagonist who has never had a sword in his hand before He doesn't do the thing he ought to I understand the idea. I disagree with that Yeah, I'm pretty I'm pretty mixed on that quote. Well, yeah, because if you think about it like, um You're expecting your opponent to swing or to stab in some way shape or form But they simply walk forward really slowly and you start to be like what the fuck and then they just slowly put the sword into your chest As if like that's such a bizarre thing that you know, skilled swordsman might actually like get defeated by and it's like, oh come on Come on now, but I think mark's point like If you send that to him, you probably wouldn't be like Yeah, he's not like literally I'm pretty sure that it's meant to that basically the fundamental points is like That somebody who's shit, but unpredictable might actually catch you off guard more so than A skilled but predictable Opponent you're like the the you're like part of a skill is learning to not be predictable Um, well, I think I think I think if the the the charitable way to read it is like don't be Don't underestimate people and kind of yeah. Yeah. Um, it's also like there's something to be lost. You will aid you astray Yeah, it's like yeah, even if even if you're very likely to even if you're very likely to win There's something to be lost. So I oh, yeah, it's the whole thing of that guy has nothing to lose. So Everything to gain nothing to lose I get the point is you wouldn't want to you know the idea like you can fight the second best in the world Or some guys never picked up a sword and you're like, I'd rather go for the second But I was like really though you sure someone said Someone said it's funny how rags is actually argued for this very thing He talked about more now how the best player could crush normal players But a newbie could beat him because he didn't do it. No like no no no no If it's me against the newbie, I'll win 99 times out of 100 The actual very skilled players are the ones that you have to watch out for Every once in a blue moon You see a noob who just doesn't know what the hell they're doing so they behave so weirdly It's like well, I wasn't expecting you to do something so incredibly stupid and counterproductive and then you kill them You just have that moment of surprise like oh, that's and I was actually gonna argue If you don't because video games this is much more applicable than like a tournament in real life or something Where if if someone is doing something strange in a video game, you might for a moment be like wait, is this some kind of like matter I'm unaware of Is this like are they doing something that I should oh shit with and then you just kill them. You're like, oh It would just oh, yeah exactly it gives you that moment of doubt I'd like if the other person's supposedly playing 40 chess or something like that Like what how come they're doing this that just doesn't you know make sense and then you just destroy them Once you do your actual skill based thing And like and what's happening is the thing that I specifically don't want to happen with quotes like this when we start to like be like Yeah, you know what skill that's not really the important part. It's just Fucking doing random shit Yeah, it's like Can we not undervalue skill? Yeah, please Skill is shocking. There's a reason that we invest insane amounts of time energy and finances into Training soldiers and training workers and employer employees to do tasks and we don't just send We don't we don't just pull a Tomorrow war, you know, there's there's a reason why training is extremely important and it's something I think I think this this There's a really big breakdown here with this quote that doesn't happen with the Muhammad Ali quote And that's like me personally. I know how to use my arms. I know how to punch, right? It's conceivable that I could beat someone who is better than I am But if you give me a sword, I have no idea what to do with a sword I can't imagine just picking up a sword randomly the other men and beating like a trained swordsman That just seems so inconceivable to me. Oh, yeah, like I don't I do I'm not gonna fight a trained swordsman with a sword I'm gonna be like, okay. We need to do something else. I need to get a gun or I need to Hide and I'm ambush him. I'm not gonna fight him on his skill set that I don't have Now listen, uh, Jesus has to be peaceful Please don't hurt me If I pulled a sword on Shad and Shad's like, yeah, let's have a sword fight and then Mark Twain is like, do not worry more With the lack of your unpredictability will win you this this sparring match and I was like, I don't know no No, and and this is the thing if someone said, well, would you rather? Would you rather the second best swordsman in the world fight for you? Do you think you'd have a bit? Absolutely Especially when you get up into the higher echelons of skill the difference between one and two That's the thing. They have to fight a hundred times and maybe the second place guy He only lost by just a little bit and he only won 48 out of the 100 Yeah, I think I don't know I I still like the Muhammad Ali quote but the mark twain when I'm becoming more and more suspicious of I talk about it Um, I appreciate the point It's just that it can lead people further down a direct a different direct Like it feels to me it was created to introduce the idea that yeah people without skill can still win Like yeah, no, of course. I agree. Let's just a certain asset there I guess there's a certain quality that that stupid unpredictability can potentially bring Yeah, however, if this is your strength in a fight you are screwed Yeah I mean You would have this small advantage But then your opponent has this incredible advantage of like knowing what the fuck they're doing The problem of his quote for me is the best swordsman in the world doesn't need to fear the second best swordsman in the world No, the person for him to be afraid of is the ignorant and is like No, no, this is just fucking stupid. Of course. You need to fear the second best swordsman in the world The second best swordsman in the world And like I feel like you make one mistake. Yeah, I feel like because it's mark twain that said it It's going to get way more defensive. It reminds me of martin scorsese I don't know like this quote. Yeah with that incredibly wrong dumb thing. He said Well, half the half the quotes that are attributed to mark twain aren't even aren't he didn't even actually say them so That's true. Mark twain said that Nice very well There's you whip thingy and then on the other end they can be a shield or steps or bars just They can be steps or they can help you. They can be steps Yeah, I don't remember when when did he use them to show he was jumping on them as steps when he was fighting the dragon Are they controlled through like telekinesis or hand movements? You know, he was doing like the thing where you put it there and then you step on it like Like throwing them out like little frisbees and jumping on them Oh, also, isn't it isn't it a bit odd that we now know that there are souls in the marvel universe like that's like Yeah, that's the soul stone thing, right? Doesn't have implications or was soul stone more like metaphorical I don't know if it was spelled out exactly. I guess it kind of would have to be Yeah, I guess But I was in there in the theater like hmm. That's very optimistic Because I'm fine with it happens at a lot of uh fictional worlds and a lot of people think that's how the real world works Where people there's like there's something there's there's a you that exists outside your body Yeah, that's you that is you And it could go to places and when you die it goes places and things of that nature Yeah, like I'm I'm fine with that I'm fine with that concept. I mean if I made a fictional concept I would probably have especially if magic's involved. I might utilize some kind of a System like that. Yeah, well just it has implications. It's like It's like all are getting triggered that like heroes don't care about the little people Well, now we know the little people have souls and like they just don't care about them It just it makes like you're right like more egregious Uh, it is no small thing to introduce the idea that there is a soul. That isn't like you Yeah, that's I could totally buy that. I mean, yeah, I agree I could totally buy but like the idea that the mcu has just made souls canon in this film It's just like oh Okay. All right. I wonder how that affects everything Yeah, it does make you wonder with all the magic and the implications of the soul stone But they don't fucking care about the infinity stones. Anyway at this point, uh, they're making jokes at them Um, yes, even the roosters said annoyed them. So It's kind of funny how like the Thanos snap is like they're 9 11 They just kind of bring it up in conversation is this thing that binds everyone together that they talk about MCU Atheist btfo. Well, it's interesting is that souls could exist In an atheist world no deity. Yeah, there's still no there's still no no deity potentially As souls do not imply deities. Oh man, you brought that up and I thought I was ray Ray Skywalker. Yeah Oh, it's it's bad that I just assigned that's just her name. It's just yeah, I had that same thought. I was like you actually Yeah Wait, is that not her name? Well, that's kind of what I'm saying Like I I so readily just accept that her name is ray skywalker And because it used to turn my stomach for ages and it still does for a lot of people But I think I've just like accepted like yeah, she's ray skywalker. Fuck it Oh, wait, you know what does that name mean anymore? Anyway, she ain't luke Absolutely. No, you know this screenshot where it's like on Wenwu side. It's like a little electricity and then on on Shang-Chi's it's like I don't even know but I guess low e lines Like it doesn't have to matter but to me I'm just like Why did you make that choice? It doesn't make is it like fire cheese? I don't know I would go ahead and assume the idea is I see like Wenwu's is all chaotic and disturbed and whereas Shang-Chi's is like Sort of a light side dark thing It's I think it's just calm versus. Oh I think here's a new uh They could do that light side dark side like it's you know being angry and aggressive and chaotic Like it sure is easy to give into that and it gives you a lot of power But that's the easy path. Blue is not the greatest color for chaos. I would say Here's a here's a great question about this purple Did they know that there was going to be energy when they shot it? Because it looks to me like it makes a lot more sense if there isn't energy And they don't look to be channeling energy I mean Shang-Chi is doing like the opposite of what people usually do when they're channeling energy Like he's pulling something away. They're both they're both gesturing away So it's like did they know when they were shooting this that this was what was going to happen? You know what would be nifty with these 10 rings, right? Is you could you could use so you got 10 10's a pretty Easy number to recognize with your brain and everything's not a thousand or a million or even a hundred, you know Like 10. All right. That's that's relatable Throughout these movies whenever the rings are used the ring bear He will use like if it's a very low level threat He could almost mockingly just pull out a single ring and the rest about that earlier somewhere else And but then at the end he's like, oh he pulls out maybe maybe later He pulls out three or six, you know, who that's really big and at the end He has to channel all 10 rings and someone's like no, you've never used the 10 rings before he's like I can handle it I've I could do it. I got the rings You've never used all 10 at the same time. Remember what happened at that to the flashback And it's like princess bright and then he destroys himself because he can't actually handle the 10 rings at once And you have to be pure of heart and soul to be able to handle the 10 rings Yeah, something like that. Well, I mean, what do you mean? They're like in the control of a pseudo hitler Oh, well, maybe maybe the rings are just evil and they're like, you know what maybe hitler was yeah pure of hot Just had some, you know bad ideas. That's all Wait, are they playing tug of war with the rings? Is that what's going on? I think so. That's what happens in this moment because if you guys can see there's a ring Um, one of the blue ones the orange one's tangles a little bit What if what if the nazi symbol with the eagle and the circle underneath it with the swastika in it the swastika in it What if that was supposed to represent a ring like hitler and the nazis because they they dabbled in the occult a bit You know, you there's a lot of cool stories you can do with that What if they found one of the rings and that circle is supposed to represent the ring that they found And I don't know fuck it. Yeah, but yeah, but hitler only had one of them. So, you know, yeah He did hitler only did have the one that is correct Well, that's but But maybe the I don't yeah You can I don't know was like this happens all the time when we talk about these movies And we just off-handedly come up with these interesting things they could have done They could have incorporated hitler. Yeah, that would have been pretty much more interesting You need more hitlers all I'm saying Yeah, I said in the bastards or he could just turn it off and you know play it better Rags just outlined the plot for indiana indiana jones 6 Could be shockingly true. Who knows stem beforehand So if For someone who hates anime rags sure likes to employ anime tropes Which one of those was an anime trope? That's like saying oh talking. That's an anime trope They always talk in anime Well, if you said shitty dialogue, I'd understand what they think. Oh, yeah. Yeah shitty dialogue absolutely is an anime trope But like what part of that was an anime trope? What is an anime ownership or Be just being hitler. Is it anime trope? Like three different people said that Maybe they all had oh in a row. Yeah We need we need to explain something to chat. Okay chat Hitler was a real person No, he's an anime Yeah, just from anime hitler actually existed I like the idea that people grow up thinking This this shade fucking anime character Dude norm mcdonnell that's some funny. He was like, uh, yeah, you know, uh The more I learned about this hitler guy the more I don't like him I don't know if any of you are history buffs It's totally unrelated, but because fuck this video. I just noticed this and I thought you guys might find it amusing Let's have a look see what we're looking at here Oh, man That's my bread and butter right there destiny tweets or destiny's friend rather so you got screenshot one I'm I try and show it it's just gonna come out all garbled on on if I try and do it So it's got the wealthy elite laugh at you daily from amazing atheist, which by the way 282 views. Holy fuck I guess it's a new video because I don't know um And then the next image has he has 5,088 patrons And membership levels are five dollars or ten dollars So let me let me pull up my Let's get a lower and lowest and highest shall we all right? So what I what I what I I'm gonna go ahead and do this I'm gonna say most people give five But some people give 10. So let's say the average is Six, let's let's say the average is just what the average person gives six. Okay So let's take five zero eight eight I'll press this x button And then time six 30,500 a month Yeah, 330,000 a year Which that is is according to what a response is is just around in the top five percent of earners Oh, yeah, you could five percent really that seems I can believe it that seems a bit perplexing to me, but okay. Well, I don't know that's a lot of money Yeah, I mean it is yeah, but the thing is like I guess it gets complicated depending on where you are and everything So like it's but it's just amusing. It's just another example. I guess Yeah, I don't know if Whatever qualifies as a wealthy elite Yeah Wait, sorry, I just I'm gonna go get my coffee, but I strolled back in and actually destiny's weight. What is what is this? So, so I just you have it you have it backwards. Okay wealthy is Whatever my favorite content creator earns times 10 Because they can't be wealthy It was fine. Oh, no Well in finnish the average house does cost three million. Oh, yeah Well, I feel like at this point it's just a matter of perspective because remember If you're like average income in a western country, you're rich on a global scale based and true Yes, people lose focus of that Well, I think it's always the thing that just makes you feel a lot better in general as you know Just perspective is super helpful of just remembering like Um, there are a lot of people make a lot less money um around the world And had less access to years stories of like people who live in these uh in these incredibly Poverty stricken nations and then they're just baffled by the concept of running water Just a constant reminder of these things I find really I appreciate that like wow hot water Like electricity man, it's crazy like cars Dude, this is this is unbelievable. This is like this is crazy. And then it's it's just gratitude, I guess Yeah, then you go back in time think about how Think about how shitty things were 2 000 years ago like whole shit. Yeah, dude I think about how shitty the um I think about how shitty the wine must have been like the like the booze Thousands of years ago, you know, I'm like, hmm. Yeah, I don't watch it actually What's that? Sorry No, I was I was just wondering because I because like liquor and stuff now You know it liquor is disgusting, but like imagine thousands of years ago when they didn't have the like the methods We have now the technology and the know-how that we have now He was like, man, was it just really really bad and that's just what people Used to it That's the big thing is that it's just um You get used to things Because the vast majority of human beings who have ever existed Like they didn't have electricity They didn't have shit like they lived in caves. They have that half of them died in childbirth Yeah, it's just Like uh, just even 150 years ago, like if you got a splinter That there was a good chance you were dead. Like that was it Yeah, I'm just imagining 25 years and that's it for me If you don't have air conditioning and you live in like the jungle like that I still don't have air conditioning You don't have air conditioning Not that crazy land there I guess is it naturally cold because like I used to live in florida imagining living in florida without air conditioning You have to have it here. It's just We need air conditioning. Otherwise we'd die Yeah British weather is much more commonly When one word damp, but um The we get heat waves every once in a while and it like it kills the whole fucking country because none of us Ever have preparation for it No, right. Well, I I mean since ancient times. All right, uh I don't believe like if you're talking about the most basic concept of the process Sure but I've been to like wineries and stuff and I'm When it when when it comes to the technology and the techniques and being able to Um refine things and bottle them and keep them preserved and stuff Like fucking get out of here without you don't you don't even need to go that far Like I'm I'm reasonably certain the 2000 years ago. We didn't have a pumpkin spice IPA That was just not a thing. Well, here's the thing IPA is Well, IPA is just disgusting always. So it's I wouldn't even worry about that Um, someone shot said you've been too hot take with your liquid takes some of them tastes nice. No, IPA is nasty Um The the number of people who are alive now I believe the estimate for the number of human beings who have ever lived is 108 billion So like of all human history like a hundred thousand years So it's it they're going to be safe to say that the majority of human beings lived in a world without electricity running water But we talked to us before though The perception of happiness will be very different from ours. Um, well, I think it's it's the thing of um It's one of the reasons why reading history is super valuable because you can find that there are a lot of common Commonalities in terms of like the things that people are worried about and thought about even you know If you go back to ancient Greece or like I mean that's what a lot of like ancient philosophies were built around It's like people are upset because they want things so you've got to try not to want as much and then you'll be Happy and it's like well shit. That seems to just be consistent across because it's our material circumstances have changed Yeah, because go-to is right based um Well, it's just yeah like the the human the human condition is the same but the material circumstances have uh Are really a different but we're still fundamentally the same people Yeah, um, yep I'm getting my coffee over back. This is six thousand years old. Ed flat true. That's true. That's very true Yeah One day NASA's Spaceship and it's going to hit the glass dome that is the firmament that holds back the waters of the deep well No, that already happened. That's why they're suppressing it Remember that time where everyone shot up and then smashed the glass and they had to replace it And then they wiped everyone's memory. They didn't want to go for that sort of thing They do all the countries have to pitch in if the if the firmament. Yeah every it'll require 93.6 percent of old guns To fire so it was You know tough Bit to nail that maybe I could see how Like all the western countries and like the un They'll like pitching a whole bunch of money and stuff to fix the firmament and china's like now y'all got this Mm-hmm I just have y'all gonna pay for it. So fuck it. We're not gonna do it I'm gonna go pee. All right Which means it's just me and you now do me Oh, hey, how you doing? I'm all right You're hanging in a two and a half hours in Yeah, I mean I can do a lot more than two and a half hours. I was gonna say we've plenty plenty left. I'm sure I mean, yeah, it's been two and a half hours. We're fucking nine minutes into an 18 minute video Which is actually pretty good for us, honestly Like the a lot of the stuff he said that we sort of just played we're like, okay Yeah We'll get into the problems now where he's praising when we because he's gonna get to his motivation And that's gonna get real real complicated. Oh Fuck yeah, that it's something that um just in general I think people neglect character relationships isn't an element of analysis Like personally, I think it's almost more important than the characters the relationships between characters and the character relationships in this movie are just Like legitimately nonsensical. That's what we're there for right is like but but then I'd say character and character relationships are kind of one In the same like yeah, like for character to be consistent They need to act consistently with whatever the relationship I guess unless you had a well because even if you had a story where it was a guy stranded on like I don't know an island it could be the relationship they have with themself Or um or a volleyball Yeah, I mean there's there's a lot of different layers to it. I mean like there's power games that go on and there's like Games of like perception where characters will know something but not reveal it and try and manipulate other people And there's like types of relationships like you could have different types of affection and all sorts of things can go on But in this movie, there's like none of that. It's just like the level zero Information is presented and people accept it uncritically and then that you just move on there's like none of the none of the even potential nuance of You know the complexity of human relationships is is remotely present Oh no more tweets Oh way down have to go into that Uh you can read them in your own time. I suppose we should press on with this video Um Well, you know I scanned around a little bit because I wasn't sure where we were so let's find out where we are Before they also seem to work based on instinct We had or behind where we were Uh, we need to go back a little bit. So they just said the rings work on instinct and you don't need to know I think we have to assume that the rings have some ability to know what you were thinking They have to Well, it's the problem it's a problem with a lot of stuff and um In marvel like iron man suit. How do you how do you control for a lot of the features unless the ai itself kind of knows what Um, there are Some things, you know, for example, like powering up and powering down the repulsor They like show his hand really close and he does a particular hand movement to like, you know, stuff like that. You can be like, okay, all right But but like does does Uh friday know hey look tony wants to talk to people with his helmet off So i'm gonna take his helmet off so he can talk to them, you know that kind of shit Well, we could argue that a lot of it is stuff like actual voice commands. They just don't um Maybe aesthetically have them play to us Well, I mean here's one like spider man when he's using his little uh When he's got the iron spider suit and it has the legs and it does stuff It's like that's got to be really in sync with you. Otherwise, you're gonna be oh, yeah, he was surprised by that, wasn't he? He was surprised when they saved him initially. Yeah Um, but then they're doing incredibly complex crazy maneuvers on titan. It's like, hmm That's uh, that's pretty intuitive. Like peter said It's very intuitive. We know there are there are muscle movements and we know there are voice commands But then there are some things that like seem like how did you know? How does it do this? I would have to know exactly what you wanted and maybe it does But like imagine if there was a disconnect and it didn't sink off and I think tony does have it linked to his like Possibly his brain at some point right like he has like senses or whatever because if you think about the um the barf thing He probably has the technology to to do something like that even have that in our our will to a degree I remember watching a vsauce video about it Yeah, well, I mean it's it's the thing that you see I can't remember exactly It's on one of those eel on mustings where like you've got the monkey Well, not the monkey the chimps you got to get accurate The chimp is there playing a little game and he's moving the cursor with his with uh, like A gesture that he's doing and eventually they disconnect the physical interface But they can detect what his mind intends when he's moving it so accurately that it It just it's it works perfectly. So I can imagine it's um Yeah, something like that in the mcu. I think we just have to assume that's how it works anyway Yeah, with the rings like All kinds of crazy shit happens and there's no voice commands There's there are gestures, but a lot of it seems like it must be something to do with Detecting your fucking intentions. It has to yeah back We can what Yeah, we can carry on With our shang chi video. Oh, thank you You and on one arm to make the voice of reason as usual They also extend into this energy whip thingy and then on the other end They can be a shield or steps or bars just wow does this no sound like my stick can fire lasers And it can I guess it's just yeah But I have anti laser armor so your lasers can't pierce my armor I guess it just sounds like he wants green lantern Then like some sort of energy construct that you can use to create other things besides what it is No, it doesn't sound like what he wants because that would be restricted to something. Well, I I think that's Yeah, I guess that's that's true, right green lantern. Well, yeah, what I'm trying to highlight That's a really cool power Is that he almost likes the fact that there's nothing really tying any of this together It's just cool things which is weird because Limitations are just an important part of um like iron man has a crazy suit And it's crazy cool abilities. Yes, definitely for stakes. It's like the easy example iron man Super powerful as an entity with like tech and stuff, but it is just a guy in there And once you get through that he's in a lot of trouble. Yeah Captain america is super strong really good with shields, but like you can shoot him That's gonna work same with spider man We'll be mentioning that you injects himself with chips in iron man 3 so that was to Like isn't that specifically so that they can that one suit? Yeah, it's from r42 So not what it too could like attach to him. I don't I don't know and it was specifically when he did a gesture as well It wasn't mental at all. There's loads of gestures Is it so it's all physical at that point, which is something that we thought was a thing anyway, but that opens the door you can say Also like having limitations and being pushed to them is sort of like a cornerstone of Character arcs and motivation and like building character and stuff If you don't have clear motivations, I mean it's it's getting to the point where you It's very difficult to build a character at all This was actually something that I think was a little bit of a problem in phase one with like so you got Iron man to the point where one of his repulsors comes off his helmet's off And uh, he's on what like two percent power. It's like fucking hell. We understand very much He's in dire sickness as a cap and winter soldier. Yes. I'm referencing winter soldier when he shot like twice Once in the chest and once in the thigh or whatever and he's slowly moving We're like holy fuck This is him as it is limit now because that's like as much as he can take before he's about to die Thor Is a little bit more trouble than that. You're like Thor's kind of just He can he can like get like mud on him and he can look tired But it's like I got fat and he can be stabbed And it's like ah And you sort of just like what I don't really know what any of that means I don't even know what if he has a healing factor. You know what I mean like Thor is in the same awkward category as like one woman. It's like you can take a lot of damage But bullets seem to maybe potentially I think I think Yeah He's bulletproof, but he can be stabbed. Yeah. Well, I maybe we assume it's some asgard shit Like it's also gonna say it is Loki's blade. So it could be as guardian And Loki is super strong too. Yeah, maybe he's and because we know that we know that like Hulk and Her Thor big time this came up in the suicide squad There is a difference a meaningful difference between being shot and being stabbed that you can have Stuff defend you from bullets, but not necessarily knives depending on what it is Get as good night bullets shoot him with as a guardian Or as well that we've already got dragon scale as a new material now So I wonder what that does to Thor. Maybe if you stab him with a dragon scale weapon, it'll kill him. I don't know Yeah, I was really disappointed to not see a dragon in that helm in there You know, I um in I maybe I zoned out for a second while I was doing some thinking but this is also like the stakes issue Of I have I don't know what he can do at any point He could pull something out of his ass through magic and it just solves the issue at hand There's no understanding of what his capabilities are the other options that it utility perspective Not being able to pull something out of his ass costs him all of it too That could just happen randomly. Yeah, and then like why couldn't you just make that happen? I mean with all the other stuff the rings do how come you couldn't do xyz I I just don't see there's no through line because if if if you if you give someone a jet pack, right? That's a very understandable grounded Way to give someone something powerful that you could relate to like, okay I know what their capabilities are rocketeer, right? I don't the rocketeer do I he could fly around he could move places that he that allows him a lot of That you know utility and you know plot stuff he could do because of that Well, I'm always gonna Go for it No, I finish it finish your point because mine might actually not be as related as I thought Well, I'm pretty much just saying that when it comes to the rings, you know, you never You never know what he can do You don't really know what he can't do And I don't think writers can keep track of the things that he's already done and reincorporating them Because once he does something once he's got that shield once he's got that Sword once he's got that thing he could do if he ever doesn't use that when he needs to Then unless he's under extreme duress or incredible some reason why he doesn't use it then that's an issue It's a two-fold problem. The two-fold problem is what you've just said there where it's like if he doesn't use it again Then there's a problem, but also just Give me dammit I have an inconvenient timing The second issue. Oh my god, don't tell me that it slipped away that it's gone. No, don't tell me that It was you sneezed away. You sneezed out of thought you sneezed your thoughts away on quick. It hasn't landed yet. No collect The second thought was and I got it. That's all right. It's oh boy. That's good. I could hear you going Yeah, it's back in there The the second thought was if you have no limitations Then it's basically impossible for people to have expectations that they can reasonably It's it's hard to know what's going to happen And a lot of just storytelling is setting up expectations whether or not they get paid off Yeah, there's no suspense. There's no suspense because you can't anticipate what might happen. That's exactly what I was feeling in the theater I was just bored. I'm like I have no I have no like mental frame with which to evaluate What We need limitations. We need some kind of limitations One of the best mcu fights to represent this would be the civil war end the end of civil war fight where Every capacity all three characters have are used to their maximum essentially um, and the limitations of iron man suit Extremely important in that scene as well And so if someone said to you bucky and capped versus iron man in a complicated environment that gives them cover as well as opportunities to Triple his suit like all right. All right. Let's see how this unfolds because I understand if I said Shang-Chi is going to fight his dad who has 10 rings in a thousand years of experience. I feel like he loses Well, here's the problem. No, but no, but when his dad attacks he rolls a d20 and if he critically fails the rings defect So that's what I mean if knowing that technically you do because that happened in the uh, when he fought the woman in the opening So it's just like um, yeah, by the way, he could lose if his weapons defect, I guess I like that d20 example because one of the things I really like about pathfinder second edition is the way that it deals with critical successes and failures Typically in a lot of role playing stuff Uh dnd and pathfinder first edition if you roll a one it's a critical fail if you roll a 20, it's a critical success Now there's a five percent chance of either of those things happening And that means that no matter under the normal rules No matter how skilled you are No matter how unskilled you are you have the exact chain exact same chance For incredible success or incredible failure And what pathfinder second edition does is that instead of just one in 20 and it's done that's critical or uh fail failure success Um, you have to roll at least 10 over the target number for a critical success or 10 under For a critical fail Which means that the more you practice the more you train the better you are Statistically at doing something the less likely it is and potentially not even possible to fail But the less likely it is for you to fail and the more likely it is for you to succeed Which is more accurate to reality. I feel well that begs the question Why does why does when we fail so often then he said a thousand years of toppling governments and you know Being sorry. I've never fought shang chi before and he's just that good Well, the shang chi was trained by his mother's sister to use wind to beat wind. Yeah That's like that's like the most explanation we get and it's just I'm just saying like that doesn't It's not anything Uh, it's it was upsetting to see michelle. Yo. Yeah Yo, it's like you're so good. Why are you here? To give it like legitimacy like that's the only fucking reason they hide it Specifically the reason the noise is for a bit. Yeah Um, but yeah, what you just said about the d20 and stuff for accident. That was a mark twain quote, right? It is yes mark twain He used to play so he played the prototype of d&d which was like a strategy war games That were used with armies and things In that yeah, we owe we owe tabletop role playing games to mark twain. That's very true pretty cool Pretty cool legacy. No, yeah, didn't didn't mark twain, right? Um, fu man shu. Yes Probably his most famous work actually Everything goes by the way mark twain, but by the way just just to be clear. We're not talking about just crit critical hits for weapons I said critical fails and critical successes Which are different than the range of critical hits on weapons or potentially abilities As you probably all know, yeah, as you probably all know This I just want to clarify that in the chat because some people were saying Just yeah, what the hell are you talking about? Yeah, I know it's very I mean It's pretty just commonly established known information If you know anything about mark twain, you know all this shit anyway Yeah, yeah Or you can use them to do a big jump the 10 rings It does sound like you you saw the one who's like are you doing that on purpose like as a joke or are you? Well earlier he said you could make a punch or even bigger punch Like what a punch or an even bigger punch is like, what are we? Is this like this is like Are you fucking with me? Yeah And the idea that we said punches of different of How many rings are you going to utilize for this punch? You know what? Maybe that's the thing you don't want to overextend yourself by using too many rings So it part of there's a manabar as well Like the ring Recharging well, let's see it's over you hurt yourself knowing the appropriate level of force to use for a given scenario Having the reason a to recharge would be a great actually. I think that would be I'm learning Well, just there's a bar level It's like a manabar and a power bar and it needs to recharge like we can make the lights go down On each ring as you're depleting them, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. So that's a clear visual wise for you to identify I'm in a bit of trouble here. I need to slow it down regards to what we're saying about the use of the rings It could that could be a really great payoff in an avengers movie where he's never used all 10 And he knows he can't but there's this big, you know enemy that That's your boss. That's yeah, that's right. 10 is too difficult to wield 10 rings It's do you better that that's very likely one hand. It's like careful. Yeah The last thing you incredible power The last thing you ever do you better make it count And that's cracked for audiences because for us we would be complaining like why why is it the like they charge and recharge They're magical like how does that work? You know, we could we could go about the nitty gritty of the details But like an audience being like, oh shit. Yeah, he's using all 10 rings for this one. Oh, like that. Oh my god That's because I wonder what the payoff was in this film where they're just like, ah, he's still all 10 rings off his dad Ah He did it Okay, here's a here's a question. Are the rings gonna defect from him as well Like is he just gonna be in a fight and the rings are just gonna stop fucking working No, no fucking way. Anyone takes the rings off him. Yeah And that's the thing if you want to be like Like these are evil alien rings. We got it. I gotta get them off you. I'm not an evil alien myself, of course No, no, not me The evil thing because like I thought that's why like really that shoggie was able to take them off his dad Because his dad's like kind of evil the rings may be like we don't like being evil. Take us Good How can they didn't care earlier when he was going around conquering and Exactly if they introduce a moral element to the sentience of the rings, it'll fuck everything up again Hold on, but but the rings are evil. The rings want to like possess him to go release a cthulhu monster That was the wall. So the problem is the film says that but apparently no, it was just the interdimensional The dragon that was telling it literally Then why does the film say that the ring I see wearing the ring You are correct. Yeah, so we discussed we have no fucking clue why they said that that their voices start once He put the rings on it's like what the fuck do the rings have to do with the other dimension wall. What what do you Well, and that's something I've just now thought about as well as because they use their air bending magic from that dimension To control the rings. Do the rings have any relationship at all to this other dimension? Yeah, because if they fell from a comet, right? Or whatever, we don't we don't know anything about the rings. He just has them. He's like, oh Years ago, he had them in the opening. She says that they were found in a crater But I guess I can mean anything I guess what I'm saying is like for perspective if somebody did jujitsu or something would that make the rings controlled by them Probably not. So like Yeah, why have to have a relationship with this air bending tribe Or maybe maybe the little makes sense in the sequel I'm sure we've said that many times where it'll make sense later. It doesn't it never does No, if it made that that's what I was talking about with like the first 30 frames It's like if there was a cohesive vision and there were like, you know, there was a really good style That was putting all this together. It would already make sense. You wouldn't need to wait for it to make sense You know, the only time I think I was ever right about that accidentally in terms of things getting better was I think I've told you before frame just the Phase two was annoying me because I was like, we've done way too much collateral damage now for it to not be addressed And then civil war was like we're addressing the collateral down. I was like, oh my god Yes, I'm doing it Imagine and since shang chi has never trained with them before they also seem to work based on instinct. You don't need to know Imagine they didn't we'd be fucked What an insane extrapolation. They seem to work on instinct um, I mean There's no other like I mean that that's the conclusion you have to drop that's just because it's really badly written There's no other way to explain the things that you see at this point. I'm like, there is no conclusion to draw It is purely in the we don't know category Is it like you get the rings and then like the ring uploads like a pdf to your head that explains how to use it only only if you can Instinctually open pdf files Maybe for maybe maybe you're incompatible of your software. You need to update to you know, like Wasn't on windows 11 He yet no, but he has one he has the bloodline So he like when the driver gets passed down from father to son. So he's got the driver That explains it He might be an old os and then shang chi is the new one is the son so he can open zips by default But the entire files have to be downloaded individually by when wu so he's still unlocking his potential Over a thousand years still Unzipping I mean, I mean when wu has a thousand years of development history and you know shang chi is like this new thing It's probably got bugs Like more things like windows vc. Yeah Yeah, it's like I mean, I mean the bend we're looking at the benchmarks right here and it seems like shang chi is just uh Coming out on top and the men's years to be 3080 ti If it's like, you know a willpowery thing Then I just like okay Because I guess the rings it just didn't matter that he had them for this long on knew what they were the dad It's like I guess shang chi's just gonna beat him because he has more investment I think it's just like I just can't what you what you tell me Is the case and what I see and what I can believe or just they're just in two different worlds at this point Nothing seems to follow from anything Yeah, like I can't see any power that the father has with the rings that Shang chi isn't just gonna have at the beginning of the next movie Yeah, it's gonna it's gonna start with him pogo hopping and then like he's gonna Blow something up or whatever and he's gonna make a big, you know, spinny ring wall It's gonna stop of It's just all the same shit's gonna happen And it's not gonna be any no training sequence no explanation of how it works His achievements are pretty up there right like the dragon He obliterated. It's like an alternate dimension demon soul sucker. It's just like that's a pretty big issue Again, I thought that was I thought that was aquafina Well, she Yes, they both did This is an interesting question is like you have aquafina who is like unimpressive by human standards Just kind of tagging along to a super adventure It's like why yeah, no one knows why Doesn't it make doesn't it make shan chi like a shitty boyfriend to be bringing her along on this shit where she should have died like multiple times Wow, he should have told her not to come on the plane with him. Yeah, you just didn't She was so insistent That's the thing. It's like no you need to understand my my father is like a A magical pseudo hitler who is like commanding an army That's like overthrown world governments and he's sending fucking Assassins that have knives for hands after me to come kill me to take my my mother's necklace. Okay. This is too dangerous for you I'm sorry, but she says no I'm coming in the apartment It's funny to me because you know if I was going to go on some kind of play trip and someone was like I'm coming with you. It's like I'm just not going to tell you where and what I'm doing That's it. You're screwed once, you know, once you get into the taxi. I'm just going to jump out and run away Better yet she goes home. Then you get into a taxi and she doesn't get in with you and that's that He just walks he just walks to the door and she's like, where are you going? He's like, by the way My name's not Sean and just cut Never see her again I find it. I actually find it really I don't want to cut I want I want the scene of him running down the streets like running away from her try to lose it It's an action It's not an action scene. It's entirely diagetic We just have it is action and that there's action But like I want the sound design to be entirely authentic of just him like go away Leave me alone. Well, he thinks he's lost against the taxi and then the camera pans new faces in the window like where are you going, Sean? Yeah, and then he's like start screaming It would be inappropriate to have like a crazy taxi sequence where he's trying to get to the airport Imagine he's on the plane in the seat and the camera pans through a window She's there Yeah There you go. We made a really great comedy now And then she can get the rigs because clearly she is like an insidimensional being if she has the most willpower Yes, and then she would be really let down because she went through all this effort to get on the plane They don't even have a vegetable a vegetarian Don't have to worry about that. Well, she's got real power Annoy him knows no bounds. She's the ultimate power in the universe The same problem is black widow where the main character isn't really making the decisions in the movie Give him some damn agency. Yeah We asked everything and then at the end tell me you have incredible willpower And this is coming from me somebody who gets annoyed when people say don't ever write passive characters You could do it but like come on. Yeah Give me somebody to do yeah, I'm just bored of my these characters just not making the decisions I want them to make the decisions. I want them to be proactive like You in favor of these other Characters who need because again Yelena has a lot more agency than uh than that because she's the important one now Um, I mean if you want to have a passive protagonist to be here a movie that really works It would just be a it had to be a very different movie Yeah It's difficult to nail but it's just like yeah, I just don't really have much Investment in a character that's just like, where do I go next? Who do I punch? I'm like, yeah I feel like the the easy way to do it would be to if you wanted to have a superhero thing where it's passive I don't know. I have a superhero on his day off who just wants to chill out and do stuff Who just keeps getting embroiled in these crazy scenarios and every time he tries to leave it just gets Worst even frozone Even when frozone was at home. He wasn't a passive Yeah, I guess He needed that suit god damn it. He needed the suit. He needed to know where it was. Tell me where it is I'm not a passive character Yeah, I I am actively interested in the great of good Yeah, maybe there's an interesting area to explore but that's not what they're uh, no, that's not what they're getting at They're just stringing them along. They're like, oh, look you're the hero. We need you to be the hero So I don't know what's doing basically the difference. I was you want to plot treadmill Is designing a passive character versus designing an active character that ended up passive because you fucked up Yeah, there is an important difference between those two. Absolutely Well shanxi it could be getting he's trying to like he's trying to make decisions Even though the first act is much more about him and it's it's probably the best of the three Honestly, I would say the first act is the best It's kind of like it's it's closer to the movie that I would have preferred Then what comes afterward like when the sister gets involved and then when they have all the dragons sucked Yeah, I don't even the problem Yeah, the problem Do we do we cut the first act before or after the fucking fight club sequence because that is such a goddamn mess Every single individual detail. I would I would say that is first acts For the sake of the Story, it's like I would absolutely cut all of the fight club bullshit Like literally the entire thing cut all of it Let's have the sister do something else But obviously from an action standpoint, it's like well the audiences will relook to the abomination of war And how you look abomination and look at black widow fighting an extremist guy isn't that cool Yeah She's like she's like I built I built my entire empire on my own with my own flesh and blood And then like and then she just fucking lets she just lets it go and lets it get destroyed doesn't give a fucking intervention again Yeah I'm just thinking because you know somebody might be like whoa what so you like it when Tony's arrogant but not this person It's like So it's I don't mind the arrogance Well, the problem is that it's like Yeah, Tony Stark did like the story is critical of Iron Man is critical of Tony But like this film isn't critical of her like she's great She's I don't I don't mind her like being a girl boss But if she's gonna be a fucking girl boss and she should care about her business being destroyed Like there should be some investment there Yeah, there character traits and actions come as a result of you being a girl boss or whatever Like if you are doing all the things if you're the kind of character who can Not only wants to do that but actually Goes through and tries it in is successful somehow That implies a lot about the way that you will behave and the things that you'll care about and they just drop it Naturally And like a nice comparison to right you remember really fucking annoyed me in the film Where she's just ripping into Shang-Chi when she has no idea what happened. She just knows that he didn't turn back up. That's all she knows And uh, so this will annoys me that she's willing to practically like hurt him dramatically for that And condemn him as a person So that that's annoying to me watching that having so I just think she's a piece of shit Meanwhile, you have like Tony from the get-go even in the opening scene He's um, he's he's trying to help out. He's not he's not as much of an asshole as Dr. Strange is They both like ran to a degree as egos But um, you know, even he has that call with obi and he's just like hey, man And like they're totally chill throughout the film And it's only when Obadiah reveals that he's like I've been subverting you for the basically your whole life because you're Useless and I I have the better idea how to run the company. He's just like stunned Because you know at first he doesn't know how to how to deal with it. And what I'm saying is just like it's it's much more um informed Uh reactions to everything and points of view you can even Understand how he became the person he was she on the other hand like I just feel like she's ignoring loads of information to be a dick Why I I okay. I was so confused. I I thought when she was giving that whole speech about like Someone not coming back. I thought she was talking about Wang Wu She's talking about Shang-Chi. Yes Wait, what was her motivation for running away from your dad? So the logic was Shang-Chi went on his mission He said he'd come back and he didn't so that fuck him. Uh, and then she left Yeah, she left just because it's a yeah, I don't know toxic environment Yeah, um, and so yeah when she meets him again, it's like, oh you abandoned me piece of shit And it's like, oh, yeah you 14 year old who was just tasked with assassinating somebody you are That makes so much less sense It makes so much more sense. I thought I thought the fucking Wang Wang Wu abandoned her Why would she be mad in a fucking 14? That's so dumb Because we need conflict. Yeah, she literally even if she conflicts feels if she was a normal human being And then like she sees oh to be fair. She would have fucking searched him down by now But instead she's just like, yeah, I hate you and it's like do you have any idea what happened? She's like no Okay, but I'm going to remain indignant in any case Which is why I like that you were not extreme stress is key things like this that um Also make the difference between someone like a Tony and I can't remember her name by the way Okay, so okay, so like the Wang Wu or whatever sends the postcard Giving the idea that it's his sister so he goes goes to find his sister But then how does his sister know that he's coming? Oh, it's just badly written So that there is to that whole aspects Like what's what I don't think she was brought up in an environment that fosters empathy to be fair She's a human being Like but she has empathy. So what's her problem? So did her parents she was for a long time. She was racing her fucking assassin Yeah, and look at him. Look at how he turned out. He wants to save people and he's nice to people But if we want to conclude she's just she's just a dick. I'd be like well, then she's a dick Yeah, like don't don't don't tell me that I'm supposed to like her then, you know, like I don't know what is likeable about her She's annoying Well, I mean I feel like the big thing is she abandoned shang chi and it's like oh I want you to feel fear. It's like so That's bad To make somebody fear dying just because you want to make them feel like they're gonna die And that gives you joy that they're under emotional stress. That is like Oh my god, I'm just I'm every time I think about something I get so fucking confused Okay, so she's supposed to be on on shang chi's side because she saves aquafina And she's like on his side for the entire movie. But then she takes over the 10 rings that's against him Well, she said because she's I guess she's they want to go like, ah, see she's kind of oh anti-hero. It's like, um, okay Sure Then why did she save the aquafina? Um, because I don't know. She's a good person except nah, she's maybe an anti-hero I don't know. I couldn't tell you. This isn't even we're thinking about we'll find out All it is is watch the next movie Watch the next one because that's what marvel is at the moment You don't care about what's happening in this movie. You were just hyped and anticipated for what's next There's always the next I'm just shocked to that like the level of confused I was when I walked out of the theater is like less confused than I am now well And interestingly to me I was going to say um the The whole like empathy thing. I was like, I'm not even necessarily talking about that like Curiosity just being like where were you? Where did you go? What happened? Yeah? Yeah, what happened? There must have been a reason Yeah, and if it was I just abandoned you because I don't like you guys be like, oh, okay That's it then what's kind of interesting right because the film says she doesn't even need closure But it's like but she's so mad at him clearly. She doesn't Problem here. Yeah, so she does need closure and if you want closure, you need that explanation You need to sit down and have a conversation not Fuck you. I built this empire on my own. Look at you. You you're a valet and that's that's something Give her scorpion's weapon is really cool No, yeah She yeah, and she trained herself how to use that of course she did Remember she started by clever 16 In a skyscraper that's under construction. Why did you add somebody weird variable? And there's like it was like a rafters made of bamboo Well, apparently that is what that is Apparently yeah, but again people have insisted that that is the case. Well, so yeah Addressing on an e-fab if we haven't already so like that came up when we were talking about it And like I think I said like I have no idea if that's a floor or not And then we read out in chat some people say nope, that's normal. I mean like, oh, okay There's like people posted the subreddit. They were furious that that was brought up as a floor And I was like it was literally counted in the same episode minutes later. It's like what do you want and not to mention Um, there was some people saying that yes, it's used But they they're surprised that it would be used at that level of a skyscraper because Yeah, like this is I mean bamboo is very useful undoubtedly, but it's what 30 stories up skyscraper construction with a Extremely professional construction company that has to build these to extremely rigorous standards. Yeah, you would expect steel You wouldn't expect bamboo and that's a perfectly reasonable thing to fit to But but the thing is is that I'm seeing these pictures of some very tall buildings with bamboo scaffolding What I'm arguing is it's a perfectly reasonable thing to ask. Oh, I I mean, I asked it. Yeah, I uh Meaning it's perfectly reasonable Honestly, that wasn't even The bamboo wasn't even like top 10 things that annoyed me the most about that. No, of course No, I mean the most was that they didn't they have this really cool like fight club And they just don't even use it to go fight out on some rafters in the dark where you can't see anything It's like why I just don't get it. We need this crazy set piece like of of them fighting on a On the side of a skyscraper And it's like just just imagine him giving orders When we were giving orders to subordinates, it's like, okay I need you to go attack my son to steal his mother's necklace Okay, now when you do this make sure that you attack him in the area where you're most likely to get hurt Just like maximize that like ideally if you could get him in a two-part bus that you immediately cut in half Like that would that would be perfect because then then then we maximize the chance that you personally get hurt When you could attack him literally anywhere else like, okay But yes bamboo is apparently viable. It's just that um It seems strange It does Then beforehand Wanda or dr. Strange or bucky got their forearms on these things You assume the rings would work for those characters in ways that are unique to their individual fighting style But the best part I was saying that there is one type of way that the rings work Which is the way that when we was using them that it does all those I mean shang chi does a lot of the same stuff when we do this. I don't know Yeah, exactly But then again like why I don't know what these things are limited to I don't know Yeah, I have no clue. I that's the thing. I have no clue Part about the 10 rings Interrupt the flow of the fight. They enhance whatever the user is already good at Well choreographed kung fu gets elevated to the level where it can No, like kung fu just gets changed into completely magical bullshit Like the idea that you're doing a normal fight and then you add the rings and it enhances it Like well, no now it changes into weird like slam the ground and yeah, cuz Kung fu does not account for magical ring. It is not kung fu anymore or something else Yeah, well, it's just like if I add a gun it makes kung fu even more enhanced They're like, well, no now you're shooting a gun like this is a completely different thing I don't know why you're bringing this up. It doesn't make you faster Or um punches hit. Well, it would make the punches hit harder theoretically, but You know they use the rings to punch the ground or to fire at people uses a whip like what does that go to do with kung fu? How how would the rings augment hawkeye's fighting style? No idea puts the ring on a bow and arrow and fires it and shoots it The core of what makes the fight work is still intact the core of what this is very ambiguous It's yeah, it's like these this floaty language that I don't know what I don't know What your words are connecting to in the real world and what they mean the core of the fight is intact There you go, I fixed a few Oh, okay Of what makes the fight work is still intact And they lend themselves to some absolutely killer fits who rolls up sleeves on a suit to their forearms Someone whose forearms do you mean fights? Did he mean fights or does he mean they fit well? Maybe but they don't fit well. They really quite lose some I don't know. Well, they change size. They definitely change. They have to change It is a mean look that's tough to pull off if you don't have the weapons on your wrist to back it up second reason So that only applies to one person in the world Well, there's people who don't have full sleeves can look a little gay if they don't have their rings No, no, wait, wait Okay, I hold on I need to I need to respond to this for people in chat who haven't had like corporate jobs This is the most common male fashion look Is to have like a full sleeve shirt that's like brought up and you fold it up at the elbow So they were This is what you would expect of a random dude working in a fucking tech company Yeah, they it would be a neatly folded. Yeah, or I mean, I don't I've never seen it without bracelets that a magical Otherwise you look really lame I guess Also, apparently that's it for the rigs. I guess he can't really say anything else to be fair But uh, that's one of the so because that's reason one why Wenwu is the best marvel villain And I just feel like most of the marvel villains have more understandable, uh weaponry at their disposal That um is still I don't know versatile, I guess That's tough to pull off if you don't have the weapons on your wrist to back it up Second reason Wenwu rules he's in it for kind of the right reasons Wenwu really had it all. He was a conqueror with a Wait, he's in it for the right reasons and then he shows a shot of the fucking sequence where they say he only cares about power um Well, it depends on how he's gonna justify this. Is he gonna say? because In it for the right reasons it's like, do you mean he's morally right or do you mean that it's consistent with what he values? Because I mean and I don't know how this wouldn't apply to a lot of mcu villains. So, you know, that seems like it That seems like a normative claim, but sure. Let's see what you surely he should be um Not only saying why Wenwu's good, but why he's better than the rest as well, right? Yeah Establish if this is called why he's the best villain Well, he already backwalked that He already said why he's maybe the best villain. He like immediately Even if you lame, but if you said that still you have to just like make the argument, right? Yeah At all he was a conqueror with a vast army and a bunch of vague weapon trafficking organizations apparently And he gave it all up 100 percent for his family a lot of times in a story Why would you have to give that up for the why would you why do you need to give all that up for your family? I mean, that's the choice he made. I don't know. I don't remember them telling us exactly where It's on the ruler of the like the world or whatever and I have a family I wouldn't be like, okay guys. I love you so much. I'm gonna give this all up and they'll and so they'll be like But don't you have like 612,000 bajillion enemies at this point? I said, I'm giving it all up We're not gonna do this anymore. We're gonna go Live in a house some place It's it's not like my book. He's gonna show up one day because I lost a bet on the Jets game and kill you It is interesting about because how he kept it his family probably would have been fine because he would have just had Loads of security, right? All right. Yeah access to all the security in the world all the education all of the privileges and finalries and Like man, uh Thanks dad dick Like this you you know what you you bring up a good point like why did he bring it because it's declared as like this thing That we would understand like of course he gives up the rings for the family. It's like, what does that mean? What do you mean? Yeah, why would you do it? So it's a world before google like just imagine how much like He wasn't just a member of the aristocracy. He like was the aristocracy He had like the ultimate power and access to like educational resources Yeah, then he's like, oh no, fuck that the almas were right Have you considered just being a low-class peasants that no one knows about? Like no, I I kind of like this whole palace thing we got going Yeah, and if if it was the wife was like look, I'm not gonna fuck you unless you lose the rings You'd be like, oh man, really? Oh, well, I guess I'm gonna put the back on after the universe I guess I'll just have these 1200 concubines or whatever. I'll find another woman who loves me I remember this is like if you loved me, why would you make me choose this? Like, I don't know. It's one of those choices She loved him. Why would she introduce him to her family? Wait, did she do that? No, she wouldn't let him that's what I was talking about earlier. She wouldn't let him inside the fucking The mystical tau lo place. Maybe she knew that he was gonna break the wall Yes, she knew that he's like a fucking genocidal maniac, but she marries him and runs off with him I don't know. I don't know. I think you're a genocidal I'll trust you enough to marry you, but I don't trust you enough to show you my family But I love you and I'll marry you. Yeah, what of interest that's now that's some compartmentalization I'll I'll I'll uh, I'll marry you and have your kids But I'm gonna give Our kids these very important necklaces and I'm just not gonna tell you what they do She marries him. Did she tell the kids what they did? No No, yeah, she did. How was how she did it? Oh, that's right. She did because there was that scene at the beginning Yeah, she did Um She married him specifically because of his like kingdom and power and influence. He's like I gave it all up, babe. She's like Oh, so what are you? Because they fell in love well before they even like had a conversation, right swipe left also, um It's I I'm kind of getting the vibe because it clearly worked on this loser This whole oh, he gave it all up for the f word man for family I'm like, but no they just said the f word and so now you you've bought into it because they use the f word That doesn't make sense. There's unlike he I was thinking about it mechanically You can give up the rings you can put them in a box, I guess But how do you give up your empire? Like what does that entail exactly who who takes over or does it get dissolved? And if not like it keeps going and at that point surely you just want to keep the rings they make you Immune to being assassinated or at least you want to protect your family with that, right? Yeah, I mean a lot of people buy guns to protect their families if they need to use it Like why would you give up the ring? You have made a lot of enemies in this world A lot of people want to kill you. Can you give up the rings and stay immortal? How are you still alive? Don't you think the 10 rings organization will want to come get the rings back if you're not using them? like I don't fucking know dude I don't fucking know but You're invoking they're invoking family when this is like the most dysfunctional family like in the fucking world Like raising their kid to be a heartless like psychopath literally and we've like barely started on his praise for this Motivation which is I just already disagree with the foundation like it's great because you know He wants power meets a girl gives it all up and you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa A lot of this stuff isn't justified at all And what does that even mean for his family a lot of times in a story like this You can't take the warrior out of the man right the father figure is called back into the world He used to be a part of maybe because he needs to or maybe because he just misses the fight We're never sure but the father He's saying that isn't he's not saying that's what this situation is so he's referring to like films Where maybe a retired guy is with his family and his old job calls him back in you know I don't know why he said we never really We're sure I don't know what films he's referring to specifically, but I mean, okay I follow because he's gonna say That um This is this is a different kind of story where the man goes back because he wants to go We can return it's brandy his life his love and his lady is the sea But when woo is really all in on well, no that you can't compare it to ego because ego That was ego's plan from the get-go ego only met women to implant things. He was never like Yeah, when we went from conqueror to actually no, I don't want to conquer until his wife died and he was like, okay I'll get back to conquering It's not the same Doesn't stray. He isn't secretly using the rings. No one confronts him and says Damn rings. It isn't until Lee is killed and he believes his family is destroyed that Fuck sorry, keep skipping I don't believe you because he spent all he spent he seems to have spent most of his life in the shadows So he clearly knows many different lives Also, wait, so he was saying that ego Because now it seems like he is drawn a distinction between Shang-Chi and ego But I was just gonna say that um Ego isn't the example he gave first of characters who had drawn back into an old life by that old life These are like three distinct different story paths. I But um fine. I don't know it was skipping for me. I just want to play this again And says it's us or those damn rings It isn't until Lee is killed and he believes his family is destroyed that when we but also, um Do do we know why does the family make him do that choice? Why why that choice? What's bad about the rings? I'm not sure Is it just totally like they just made it up? It's also weird because it gives him immortality. Maybe he just didn't want that anymore. I don't know We've all seen the movie. Do you remember motivation and specific stuff for that because I don't I don't remember Every every time I thought about a character's motivation in the movie. It just made me more confused Yeah, all of them like actually all of them I got nothing but that Who goes He doesn't want to when will believes he needs to and listen if No, I haven't I haven't seen the film. But is that true? He doesn't want to but he needs to In relation to the rings Going back into his old life of I thought it was that he was specifically looking for who killed his wife Yeah, I thought I thought it was like a vengeful thing. He was like, okay Well, you killed my wife I'm going to train my son to be a super assassin to go kill the guy who killed my wife Yeah, that's what I thought Okay I'm a little bit lost on yeah, it's back to the only life. He knows he doesn't want to when will believes he needs to That isn't that isn't a life that he knew he didn't know the life of training his son to be a super assassin to go seek vengeance There's no indication. He's had that life before his previous life was like knocking over governments Which presumably he's not doing anymore Yeah, again, like I'm very lost. It's completely different And we don't even know that he redid because you know, like he regained continues his pathway from 20 Is it 2000? It's early 2000s that his wife was killed presumably, right? Yeah, some like that. It was 10 years ago. So we're supposed to believe that for 10 years He's continued like the 10 rings domination of the world and shadowyness or whatever. It's just like again, no Well, there's no there's no indication of it. No Like he has With all of the world events. Did he not care about any of the like many times? Yeah, did he get snapped a good question? I mean, he just he just seems to have enough of an entourage to take out about like a fourth of a club. That's like the extent of influence Yeah, he's simultaneously enormous and tiny Because he needs to be tiny because that's literally as far as his reach actually spreads But he also needs to be really intimidating. So totally it's all over the world. Really trust me Yeah And listen when makes this move It's easy to dismiss him But Wenwu is literally an old school conqueror. I completely understand why he thinks this is the right thing to do But unlike it seemed in the initial trailers Wenwu does not want Shang Chi back because he wants an heir to his empire Wenwu is completely driven by his desire to reunite their family by rescuing their mother And the really and it gets a little bit cartoonish when he sees the demons coming out of the wall and he continues bashing it Demons sucking souls, dude The demons i'm coming wife I want to save you from the demons. Yes one of them will suck your soul away Relationship Wenwu and Lee is oh wait, wait, wait, but it's Can it even be called his motivation if he's having his mind taken over by a Cthulhu monster? Is that him trying to reunite his family? Is that him trying to free a Cthulhu monster? It's not well So they would tell us that it's can the Cthulhu monsters convinced him that the wife is behind that wall Yeah, but that's not him trying to reunite his family is it? Yeah, I think I think you could argue that's what he's doing in the movie He's like I want the wife back and we can I guess be a family again. I don't know Okay, but he's doing lots of stupid evil things as a result of that and it's not very well put together Yeah, it's only when the giant dragon comes out that he's like oh shit, maybe I was wrong By his desire to reunite their family by rescuing their mother And the relationship between Wenwu and Lee is also completely believable They compliment wonder what a what a compliment to the fucking writing. It's believable Like this is the best is what you said It's not it's one of the least believable like romances. I think I've ever seen Yeah, I would I would probably put that forward you got Invader trying to brute force his way into a civilization and a protector of that civilization And they fight and she defeats him and they fall in love. You're like, oh, I'm sorry that end bit They didn't make much sense And then she and then she acknowledges that he's like a genocidal threat But defects and like runs away with him Yep Because it's believable It's it's not like in my opinion. This was the worst thing about the movie their relationship was just horrendous Because you saying that because like everything rests on this No, it's just because I'm personally fixated on character relationships and everything about this is just so wrong Just so the opposite of they put it so much effort. They like fight and she like smiles at em. He smiles back Yeah, oh god Remember when Zorro fights, uh, I forget my name Elena Captain Zeta Jones and the stables That was nice. They were fighting but she was still kind of you know enamored with him And he was being all lots of flirting throughout it Yeah, I mean That was a good move You can do the fighting and like love is like fighting metaphor like that happens in heroes So I can't like completely shit on that it's just like everything's surrounding that and this movie makes no sense Agreed In other few seconds we see if shang chi and giling's childhood playing dance dance Sorry, she lives in a portal in the woods um Well, you go the woods have she have a house or a so she's I assume she don't know about her house I assume she just went back and threw the fucking waterfall. I don't know Oh, I don't know. I honestly don't know Or maybe she just does have a little hut and she goes fishing every once in a while to stay alive. I don't know I was I was wondering like if she like could shower or she has a dirty butthole or things like that the important things Let's live in the woods just all this may dad were happy together If the opening scene did not sell the idea that lee is able to stop wenwu's tracks That she is the only one for him and I don't think wenwu's wait. Whoa No, so that would mean that he needs to destroy her when I was like, she's the only one that could stop him Therefore love you're like what hang on. No, therefore when she's sleeping he kills her The only one that can stop fucking the emperor is like luke and you like love Wait a minute. I should do love you luke. You're just great His first his first motivation we're interested in Or we're introduced to the thing that's made most explicit is that all he cares about is power Therefore he falls in love with the only person who can stop him Apparently men like a strong woman, you know That's that Uh, yeah Hey, you know, it's believable Relentless pursuit of You lee would work But we see some genuine chemistry between wenwu and luke genuine chemistry. Hmm Not that shitty chemistry Distingenuous chemistry. Yeah, alchemy This is the only shitty chemistry from this from the local shop, you know I feel like every time you put a word or something, you know, like genuine something or Like you should always You should always think as opposed to and then maybe that word will come across as somewhat weird and redundant Why is wenwu dressed as gordon ramsey? It's raw. What's the matter with you? She looks so interested Yeah, she looks she is very invest. I can tell by your face. She's just That helps Began's trope that wenwu might be right and he could reunite with his long lost life Did anyone did anyone think for even a second that it was possible that he was going to find his wife There's no like no The the um the conflict in like wander vision being built entirely on what are unfortunately very few scenes that wander and vision have is still like Whoa, what i'm getting out with that is just like that that's something that people think is really um moving And it's just not built on a lot of scenes. This is like Everything and it's built on one scene where they sort of battle and you're like, oh they're in love. Okay You like it like the idea there at this point in the movie We're like come on like, you know, you gotta realize your wife's gone, dude But like well just just I understand why you're so passionate, but like you know, she's gone man You're being treated. I'm just in you're like, what is he doing? What an idiot He's not in it for greed or power a lovecraftian soul-eating dragon has tricked wenwu into freeing it under the guys of Saving as well. I love he says that like it's just a really meaningful bit of writing as opposed to just like why how what? All of it's not What a what a sentence We went over like he's gotta save his wife from the fucking soul-eating dragon If it has something to do with the rings specifically one Why two why didn't it do it before in the thousand years that he had access whatever If it doesn't have anything to do with the rings, why target him rather than I don't know Thanos or anyone else? To have them release their beloved, you know, like there's plenty of people have lost people Tony Stark you could fucking convince him his parents are trapped behind the wall, I guess I mean, okay There actually is an apologist explanation there because he was already fucking obsessed with getting to tallow like already So like he would be the best person to like cthulhu possess because he's already Spent all this time trying to get in there and he actually could potentially get in there Yeah, but why did why did it stop and why didn't it try any other alternatives? Why not just you know, you can't lose by having a fantastic question. Yeah In fact, fuck it just convince all of the world leaders to come and get you You'll be better off because it'll start like a war probably And then you'll be just in the background with your little demon wall being like help me. I am an innocent Please they trapped me just like one person with a stick of dynamite would knock it like a scale loose And then you could just get a get a guy to go out and he'd just Covertly pick up some souls and you know, we're cooking with gas Whoa, I got a question Fringy. What are you? Hmm, what are you? What do you mean? Like I'm a sheebie dog and doomers a guy with a beanie Ballers are furry, but you you're like, yeah, you're you're a plague doctor. No Sort of like an occupation. It's not a Like like what what's been behind the mask? What are what what do you mean? What was there to be careful about? They're saying like oh being a plague doctor. That's like an occupation. Not like it is I mean you could call it that's like I would consider it to be a way of life His work is all right. So you can be you could have ways of life, but like what like what's behind the mask, you know Why what are you canonically? Well, I'm curious because you always have the mask on And I'm just curious what maybe there's a reason for that you're you're like, are you an alien? Are you a australian? Are you uh, those are done? Yeah, what's going on? Like uh, look, what what is it? What do you got going on? You know back there? What what's are you from this world? Are you from somewhere else? I I don't Like I am what do you what do you mean? Like what kind of question you ask in okay? If you if you went and you had to like fill out some paperwork Uh to get health insurance. What would you put as your species species? Yeah, like what are you? Not in terms like job, you know or nationality, but like what what is fringy? What's beneath the mask? What what does he see when he wakes up? I don't know. I maybe wear it to sleep. I'm not I'm not sure But The canon the canonical answer is that that I am a human being That's that is the canon answer Who who okay a human being who's uh, who is a plague doctor? It's just wet. Yeah It's just the mask is on like and the time it's this month. He's still the zombie virus that he's gonna have to hopefully solve I'm a zombie. That's right. Yeah I suppose that's fair enough. Yeah, canonically Fringy is a human being But the mask is always on That's fair enough to nitpick not unlike my podcast mostly nitpicking You kind of figure at some point and they're at least that was a that was a promo for the podcast wasn't The one that is very popular Well, we definitely um not promo I've definitely heard of mostly nitpicking before because I think he promotes it in its videos Which again, that's totally normal, but yeah, I'm just not there's a weird Like I'm not I'm not doing this to be mean. I literally don't understand. It's like it is weird that there's just barely any Passover from his audience to um mostly nitpicking it's a It is an active youtube channel. Um He posted five days ago last time. I think that the way they do it is the one podcast per movie And I assume it's just a chat about the movie um I don't get like Wait a second. What? Oh, holy shit. Okay. His he did one a week ago that has 88 views This is what I mean. I I genuinely don't know how this is possible with the channel. What is his like sub count? This is nando well over like 200,000 250,000 subscribers, but like that's his podcast I guess and then it's just but my my second channel that I've actually rarely ever like shield or anything. That's Like I don't understand. Well for reference nando ej and my unlisted stream archives Have more views Again not not doing this to be mean. I don't understand. I'd figure that he would have more of a crossover from His main channel. I don't know. Yeah, I'm curious And you would think that there'd be an interest because it's not like it's radically different It's talking about movies. He talks about movies And someone said is it more popular on itunes and other sites like it might be but I still channel is here though Yeah, I would expect a youtube like if you like nando his movies. It's like, oh, he's got a podcast. Perfect All I have to do is like yeah If you're if your primary audience if your biggest presence on the internet is on youtube You would expect youtube to be where probably most of your stuff and attention goes Also, at least a massive chunk of it He he I wonder what he said about tomorrow war to give that rating Let me take a look. I'm fascinated furious We're which one's tomorrow war 83 percent 75 percent I mean, I I granted it's easier for those ratings to fluctuate with that few views But what's what's the percentage is that likes to dislikes? Yeah. Yeah, how what how what percentage is positive is the Yeah, well, let me go to uh, mostly nitpicking youtube I mean 75 percent still probably good also like you said you we're dealing with small integers 75 percent is bad It's quite bad Really? Yeah, like it doesn't generally use you more towards positive than negative Oh, absolutely. There's a general rule for like youtube channel. So 75 percent would be Yeah, they like I would say once it gets to I'd say once it starts to dip into like 93 94 percent Like that's curious something Like something's not Yeah, something was a little controversial and if it's below 90 percent Then it's like, oh, you definitely said you definitely said something that people find contentious I another you mentioned I'm like I'm like over 90 likes on my video and I'm like shitting on a popular person Yeah, to be honest, I would expect a worse rating than that for your video, but hey Just well, here's the thing I've gotten worse ratings from picking on snider cut well That's the thing with these ratings. There's so there's only six ratings five up and one down Right. So it's not Yeah, with such few views It doesn't even like yeah one dislike means it drops from a 100 Yeah, exactly exactly Well, the other ones that are positive that are like really popular. Well, it doesn't seem to be any that are popular Well, I was gonna say I just checked that the most popular was like around 600 views for rise of skywalker. It's like, oh Oh, and that was by the way is the most popular refap episode Right, it's okay It is you fuckers with your star wars um, but yeah, I guess If if you want to check out his podcast mostly nitpicking you can find it on youtube Maybe he's better. Um Actually like constructing videos Well, like, you know, we often at the end of an e-fap end up saying man, that was one of the worst views I've seen This one's probably fine like this one Relatively half of it was almost irrelevant, which helps a lot. Yeah What this this this video or the movie this video Maybe that tells you about the standards of e-fap doom or that this video is one of the best ones we've covered probably Really curve? This is actually one of the better ones. Yeah, you should uh, you should check out our cover E-fap 93 go check out e-fap 93 Have fun with that. Let me go look at that because I have been watching some of them. But but yeah, I mean this We've had some events in the past Have you sent us any super chats or are you a are you a fake fan? Are you a free? Wow, I don't think I've sent you any super chats though. Good. Thank god. We already have so many One day one day that backlog will hit zero and I will say haha We have stuck to our word And we can dance a marriage melody tune wait, we'll not dance a merry tune dance to a merry tune Unless it makes the music if we capture with a full backlog anything's possible Those those tap dancers thinking dance. Well, is it a tune or just a rhythm if it's I don't know. Let's good. Let's let's explore here. What is it? 93 got the gun in my mouth. Oh, no Oh, is the lord of the rings trilogy bad? Oh, no, no, no Yep, we have the melody hour and 10 minute video explaining how bad the three of them went. Wow So a tune is a melody It says here a melody is a sequence of single notes that is musically satisfying So I guess technically a tap will have a note To it probably in some way So I guess if you're tap dancing that is a melody, right? So you could dance a merry tune if you're tap dancing if you're a tap dancer. There we go. We sold it Could you so there's always going to be at least some noise whenever you dance as you move around Assuming you take a step, you know steps So pretty much all dances. We've had this conversation before though that noise and music that there is There has to be a distinction between the two So can you cannot create a melody accidentally? I I wouldn't say that I guess it would be that there was a difference between just noise and Actually, that's that's uh, yeah, you give me the big thing right now. I'm I'm struggling yet Art Right because I'm in the camp when it well noise could be art for sure Yeah, like not to tangent into the art. I mean what a sound design that's that's an artistic Thing to do and it's it's you're just trying to make noises that sound like real things So does that so when it comes to sound design if you are sound designing like sound effects That wouldn't be music what it wouldn't be mel because melody is a real thing here So and again the the melody here This is the definition from whatever this is oxford languages or whatever a sequence of single note And I don't want to do argument from the authority here or anything like that I'll just run with this for now if you have an issue with it Let me know a sequence of single notes that is musically satisfying So that is a that's a definition that's based on one subjective takeaway from the thing right You can have a sequence of single notes That's objective But then we have the that is musically satisfying at the end there and that complicates things Or in a sense it makes it quite easy I'm sure I don't have an answer He would have told Wenwu about the evil monster trapped in her dimension that promises you whatever you desire And how that thing that it's promising is a lie and that's just the monster's That would be I don't know what happened with watch together But I guess the new thing now that whenever we pause for a while and we started back up I get like two skips like guaranteed Really fucking annoying Because like I have to rewind us every time because it's too the two two They are two chunks and they are too big to uh, not resex. I don't know what he's saying All right, because yeah, we were at 12 37 You kind of figure at some point in their at least eight year relationship Lee would have told Wenwu about the evil monster trapped in her dimension that promises you whatever you desire most Man, I didn't fucking think about that I guess she had no reason to tell him But then again, there's no reason not to tell him it would have come up. It would have come up So we'll just be like doing that magical garden I guess she just doesn't want you could argue She doesn't want to tell him absolutely anything about what goes beyond that or even that there's a gateway may have been What kind of relationship is that? Well, let's do more highlight. Yeah, that's what he said already. Um It makes no sense if if they've decided that that's she's told him nothing and I guess she told him nothing Wow, I know Remember an entirely believable strong love bond of no I tell you nothing. We just have the sex. It's like, okay checks out That thing that it's promising is a lie and that's just a monstrous christ for help A fun convo even if she's not saying hey if I die watch out for this. Do you guys say convo? I rarely say I think I've said it but very rarely. Yeah I I have yeah, I think I say it ironically mainly Okay, yeah, I'll be I'll be the lame one. I've said it sincerely. Wow. Oh boy This I know what's interesting about my village we have a monster tied up that lies to you But maybe Wen Wu is just a bad listener. I don't know either way Wen Wu's love for his wife was corrupt. Oh, yeah, I forgot about that time My wife told me about the her secret village and a magical realm where they have a fucking cthulhu monster Chained up and behind a fucking dragon door. That's trying to take over the world. I just forgot about it A lot of people know about my monster Do we have a final why he has a a wall with water going through it that can be magically used to create a map? Nope and it seems like it has something to do with his Uh yang li because she has the necklaces that like activate it Is that a 10 rings thing so no it's different from the 10 Well, here's the thing if it wasn't a part of the 10 rings surely he would be curious where it's like So the so I guess this is magic that exists outside of the 10 rings that he's aware of And outside of the dimension as well because this is an hour world. So I don't get it So he so he when we can control this. No, you need the pendants to activate it Wait, but it makes no sense because it's a map guiding you into like a magical Yeah other realm why like how who built this and why? Yeah, who built that and why because it wouldn't it wouldn't be anybody from talo No, because fucking she'll marry him and still won't talk about it But he has this it's like, hmm. How did he get it? and like Exactly, so it had to have been built while she was alive because she had the fucking pendants that activate it And so like what she considered that a serious fucking problem Well, okay So my husband is still trying to get to my fucking magical realm that I've done everything in my power to keep him away from And now he's building this fucking water map To try and figure out the combination to get into my like secret people's realm is like don't I need to destroy it? It is so ineffective compared to literally paper and pen Yeah, just draw the way instead. You have to memorize it from briefly seeing it from the pendants or whatever It's corrupt like Shang-Chi. He was driven in the wrong Like you could take a photo with a phone, right? Like oh, we got the pendants by the water wall Well, yeah, I said when we're talking about it, they should just hit record and they could record the entire thing But they don't I don't know Whatever, it's fine. It's totally fine When Wu's love for his wife was corrupted like Shang-Chi, he was driven in the wrong direction by grief Because this is a phase four with Shang-Chi driven in the wrong direction Uh, he's talking about what his dad directed. I'm really talking about when he went to become a valet because being a valet is perfectly valid No, he ended up completely well adjusted Well, his life was fine until his dad ruined it like again Yeah, there were marvel And the theme of phase four appears to at least Somewhat be grief. Yes, because phase four is about grief. There's not really anything in phase one two or three that could relate to grief I mean, that's the meta theme. Well, I'm just gonna go as far as saying that's just drama Characters going through something that's tough and they grieve Yeah, because like the one you just recognized with sylvie that's just her being angry Yeah, so like it's so I think it was Aristotle had like three different things that could happen in a story And they're reversal recognition and suffering. All right, so this is like one of the three fundamental things that can happen Well suffering is just grief trauma challenge adversity kind of like fundamental It's not it's not really. I don't think that's saying I'm suffering Well, it's just yeah that I to say oh well, there's grief. That's like a theme It's like it's like saying that growth is a theme of stories of like a particular phase It's like well. Yeah, growth is typically a part of storytelling. Yes But even then growth is growth implies changing events over time, but grief is just like in isolation. It's just like an emotion Yeah, the other name an MCU movie that doesn't have grief in it Name a dramatic movie that doesn't have grief in it Of some sort. Yeah Uh Yeah, that's a weird I I feel like that's not even I can't be a A Can it be a theme just grief? That's like I would say it absolutely could be a thing. It's just that um, you would go on to explain it more thoroughly than simply saying grief I'd imagine. Yeah, it's like red Yeah, it needs to be more specific You could imagine different forms of grief or different catalysts for grief or whatever and having Different characters going through grief in different ways and it affects them differently I mean, yeah, like lightning docopaths or something. Yeah, exactly Like yeah, that just really threw felt like he threw that in randomly. It was like, yeah, okay And then the third one will might be the best villain. Okay, he hits all of the good antagonist boxes Most importantly, he has something to teach shang chi and the film So is that an important aside from how to assassinate? Is that an important villain box that they have something to teach the protagonist? Yeah, wait, what apparently? Yeah, that's an interesting one. You What did sarin teach us? Right, that's my immediate thought. It's like a lot of the time That there is value in unity It's like, well, he didn't really teach that to us. We sort of lured that it's like shut up. He taught us But that bit. Okay, so I guess he's kind of a shit villain. Uh, what the emperor teach luke? By force and trying to tempt him to the dark side. He taught luke not to go to the dark side I mean, it's kind of irrelevant if they have some sort of a lesson if like the opposite is the effect If like they're trying to teach you how to be evil and you don't be evil Then it's like are we really going to focus on the lesson they were trying to teach? They were totally ineffective I don't I just don't think it's a necessary component It's a thing you can highlight as a cool element or layer to the dynamic dynamic But to say like that's why he's the best villain is like, why did you Oh my god Just imagine being in a writer's room and you're like shopping a script and you're like, but wait The villain isn't teaching the hero anything Well, and we'll wait for his justification in a sec But I wonder if he's going to draw a line between Having an actual point and then teaching the character directly something that they end up using Or you just force them to learn something by how you having existed and provided them an obstacle Yeah, like there's gotta be a difference there Through michelle Spells this out pretty clearly when Wu believes in family above all else and he's willing to What and shang qi is on the other side of that spectrum that is When we believe in family above all else shang qi is on the opposite side of that spectrum. I'm already confused You value he doesn't value family at all We're talking about someone who's on the side of the spectrum is that you don't care about family at all It's the last thing you care about Like we we're talking about someone who like didn't have a family and just spent thousands of years overthrowing governments and seeking power, right? Yeah, I guess shang qi went to to try and save his sister the second that he thought she was in danger Exactly. That's what so that's what I was gonna say There's two things to counter it's like so when Wu for the most of his existence was about power then family and then His wife specifically to try and rebind the family I guess and it's like he's saying Shang qi's gonna learn from when Wu to value family is is that where he's going with this because man He wants family He feels guilty for leaving shelling behind and for doing nothing when his mom was killed And he hates his father him to kill the leader of the iron clan So shang qi completely abandons his family and in doing so shang qi throws the baby out with the bath water He gives up martial arts and even after he comes back into the world of kung fu Shang qi does not embrace the style that his mother taught him Perhaps because he wants to create some distance from the most traumatic moment of his life I feel you this is pulling desperate pieces together in hopes of creating a through line instead of How does shang qi teach himself to bend a Well, he's almost like he's saying that that's something that he Stopped learning how to do because he didn't want anything to do with his past or whatever Like I don't know I didn't get this impression It's kind of hard to argue this when he was like fully motivated by the idea of his sister being in danger He just must have used the wrong words to convey a point because what he's yeah, what he's saying with Like I don't think that ties into when Wu it other than when we're putting the sister in danger But like again, how's that like Oh, do I need to I forgot I haven't done the obligatory where Wu How Wu Why Wu I'm pretty sure you did do that. Yeah, that's that's what I'm saying. It's it's done. We got it not this stream That's the thing and the other streams. Yes, but I forgot to do it this time It's it's done. So we don't have to worry about it anymore. It's all finished. Don't stress taken care of I just have to ask what are the other videos doing that make them so much worse because I feel like There's two things that are going on here. I have the answer your question Just go watch us on at 93. It's all you gotta do I I will but this is making an incredibly weak case and it's making a lot of claims that are objectively false You're familiar with all the rings, right? Yeah, one of the points he makes is that it's um, it felt really out of character when gimli said that he hopes frodo and sam die Wait, when did he say that? That's a really great question. You asked right there Oh This is again the efap curve this film or not this film this video is I mean, it's up there. This is one of the better ones. Certainly one of the better ones. We've seen in a while. Yeah um, we so this is the right industry which uh, Let's go to efap.me is the whole of fame, right? We covered a really bad one not a not a not long ago at all. Um, let me double fame So there are three quotes That are that are in the whole efap hall of fame right now And uh, they are delivered genuinely in terms of a response to criticism Uh, or or rather you you just heard one of them Another one is pretend the thing that you you didn't like was something you wanted and then see how you feel That was an argument someone made It's just top-notch video making And then of course wait wait so like so like something dog shit happens in a movie and you just saw it But like what if you wanted it to be dog shit? That's not quite how he said it. But yeah, if if palpatine returning annoys you pretended something you want and then see how you feel Oh, that's wow Okay, it's uh, I mean the last the last efap we had we covered cinema wins Classic that one was that one was bad. It was very annoying. That's for certain That one was um, yeah, that was awful. It was really bad. It's a very low score That was not a fun experience make a fucking point. It just kept saying things Cinema things For that it was we colored, uh, colin sanders his uh, sax snider uh, snider verse stuff Then had uh Yeah, then it's 150 essentially and we covered the grace randall video on 150 grace randall's video. That was something Yeah So, yeah, we had a we had some this this almost this is downright fine Like I said, this video is fine compared to some of the shit we've heard Yeah, this one's bearable. Mm-hmm You ask questions about this one and try and you know, yeah, it's coherent Put in perhaps because he wants to create some distance from the most traumatic moment of his life But shangqin needs to reconcile his issues with his family to reach his He doesn't have any issues with his family really. It's just wenwu You know what I'm saying like his his issues with wenwu Wenwu shows up and he's like, hey, let's go have a picnic. It's all right Briefly says I don't like you because you didn't defend your mom And then I think shangqin is just like you were kind of an asshole in general I think that's the because it's funny that he says issues with his family Him and his sister literally have no issues But they're like vaguely unaware of that because she's annoyed at him for abandoning her quote unquote And I guess you could say like you could have done better looking after it But at the same time she has no idea what the context of it is Yeah, there's just huge problems trying to put together character motivations and actions Well, then you like form a cohesive thing family like who we talking about and it's like the dad and the sister Um, it makes it sound like it's a lot more than that and then you're like, what are his issues with the family? It's like, I mean, well, he doesn't have any issues with the sister It's it's more just the dad had was a bit of a dick And you're about to argue with what he learned that he should embrace his family Okay, but but here's here's a very serious problem Okay, if his dad was going to Tao Lo because he wanted to learn how to do airbending there was no problem He would have just followed him And they his him and his dad would have been cool The only reason they had a falling out is because he was going to go like genocide them or something Yeah, we didn't get enough on that too and that's a scene we should have seen I agree with a lot of other people on that one The his visiting the people who killed his mother Yeah, that would have been quite a an emotional scene that probably would have given us a lot, but in mind It's also weird that like the dad goes and murders them all so presumably he knows where they are But he can't find the leader. I don't know whatever. Well, I thought it was that he did find them But he wanted his son to kill them Ah, okay, I don't remember if you're right He needs to engage with the memory of his mother in stark contrast Whose big issue doesn't feel like the film made a big deal that he's blocking the memory of his mother because it reminds me of Sort of a harsh history. I just don't because I might miss something, but I just don't remember that Nope Memory of his mother in stark contrast to Wenwu whose big issue is his inability to let Li go He can't accept her death either Now could these guys both benefit from a healthy dose of therapy? Yes But in Shang Chi's case He'll have to settle for his aunt telling him that he has a product of everyone that came before him His mother and his father if he wants to work for we're going to embrace He's perfectly well adjusted. He's a very normal guy. I don't think he doesn't seem to be therapy at all Or at least knowledge therapy. They seem to be active to you We went over this right? He's too normal because he had like a history of just being brought up to kill people Yeah, just like fucking Elena And like if if this if I had just been shown a movie and not been giving out any background And there wasn't like a marvel thing at the start the start of the movie could have just been the start of a romantic comedy I would just thought they were I just would have thought he was completely normal Oh, you mean between him and aqua fina? Yeah, just the whole like normal. Yeah, Adam Sandler could play both roles Adam fina Oh, no, his history creates something new Sure Chang chi is not breaking all that much new ground But a villain with a fun power set a reasonable motivation And who can act as a clear foil to our hero is about as much as you can ask for Wait, that's about as it's about as much as you can ask for I like how he's just sassled into position of come on guys It's gonna be shit like About as much as you can ask for I mean like we had like What 15 movies building up to like a A blue fucking Or a purple super guy with a fucking gauntlet with like these magical stones for the can like bend time and space There's a lot more you get asked for in a villain than This random fucking dude with some rings. We don't understand and these terrible character relationships trying to do something We don't get like what? Yeah, I don't think it's particularly well done on either three of the points complimenting him It's kind of weird as well to be like He's one of the best villains because I like his weaponry like I'm not saying that should be discounted But it just feels weird compared to like a character assessment I like his rings. You're like, okay All right It's a shame they aren't attached. Do you know I feel like if ever I was trying to compliment Iron Man's suit and capabilities and relations to the character I would try and comment on how they were choices he made like as part of the suit And it read it. I don't know it's cohesive with his history and uh It's almost like a constant Um redemption for for all of the damages weapons are done prior now being directed by him at the people Responsible for the most pain in the world right now Like I try and relate to that way instead of simply saying like I just like the rockets come out and go boom Yeah, but boom We'll make explodey sound for me when woo is all of those things tied up in a beautiful tonally young bow Okay, tonally. What in there? He's a tonally young. That's his name. Oh So many For a second there. I will I was my brain was on two tracks of like totally. What then I was like, oh, he said tonally Oh, okay. Yeah, that's how I was like a tonally. What bow? No, it's like No, tonally young In shang qi comics you can read that explore the relationship between Zhang zhu and shang qi the recent run of shang qi does this really well even though Zhang zhu is this music about it. Yeah, this music feels weird as fuck, but it's Okay There's another shang qi comic that a lot of people I talked to you haven't read I sort of kind of wait. Are they two tracks at once It sounds like that. That's one of the things that it stands out to me It's almost like there's like a beat and then there's like a little orchestral thing and then there's a celebratory Victory track plus a yeah, like a just a little drum beat in the background if you listen to that It does sound like this. I don't know if they're supposed to be together or not The recent run of shang qi does this really well even though Zhang zhu is dead throughout it and there's another shang qi comic that a lot of people I talked to you haven't read It's Yeah Yeah, it was synced up for a moment But then it got out of sync because they're not at the same like time signatures and everything and it's like, yeah uh That uh Hmm bizarre you pointed it out. 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Well, his other video was more so something that I'm expecting us to agree with But the problem is you never know that's going to be the case He basically it's his audience didn't like the video and it's him explaining the problems with what if I guess the problem is we haven't Yeah, and also we it took us like four and a half hours to feel like yeah, that could be a whole thing I don't know what to expect. So I think it might be worthwhile to start doing that supers All right, so eight hours of super chats Uh, well, you know, it'll just be however long It takes well our average is eight hours. That's a thing. Yeah Our average is eight hours. We've been going for about four and a half So we still got at least three and a half hours to kill Unless or else people will get upset. Let's see the next video You got to push those numbers out. Those are rookie numbers. So then how do we uh, Oh, I mean we can start in at least right If we start we're oh, no, no, no I I want to set a precedent here of being like if we hit four hours 20 minutes at the end of a video I'm more than happy for us to do the super chest portion now I'm happy to do the super chest portion. I'm totally happy Well, you know what chat let it be known Let it be known that This that's fine It is fine. It's four and a half Yeah, but you said it in a way that implied that it wasn't fine. Yeah, I'm happy. I'm happy. I'm wrong You're a subversive element here trying to subvert No No, that's what a subverted person would say is no. That's right. It isn't at all Or maybe it is I wouldn't know. I'm not subversive. I don't know their ways Is that how it works? You have to be one to know what one is If I am being subversive, it is totally coincidental Which it isn't because I'm not being subversive Oh, all right Not me. I'm I'm very happy with us Doing whatever it is that you'd like us to do we are united Uh here on the efap podcast All four of it. What wait, what is doomer think? Oh about what? About what's what's our plan of action here for the podcast? What's what's uh, I mean Well, personally if I was in charge I would load up the extended lord of the rings trilogy and just start going through that but But I think I mean copyright copyright wise. That's the thing. That's the thing. It's a copyright issue Yeah Yeah barring that what's your second? What's your second choice if if maybe if are like if we were gonna go eat some place and maybe I don't know bj was closed or whatnot. Where where are we going? What's uh, what's the plan here? Where where where should we go out to eat? No, I'm like it like what's your second option for the podcast plan planery That that's our angle of attack here Talk about something that's interesting or talk about a movie or talk about super chats or play another video And those are all fine Give you direction Sweet, no, I'm fine with all of those those sound great We keep saying that you're fine because he said because he said both of our suggestions let it be known He threw out a lot of stuff and both of our uh first picks were in camp side of you on crazy doggo I I think he's being subversive. Yeah, I think so. Yeah Well, I'm on the side of I'm on the side of justice. I'm a big fan of justice I got such a leading fan boy talking about shitty movie Well, well, yeah, but that wasn't in the zack sider one. Was it? No. No, it's not a superman is not a fan of justice It's not the one thing like the whole goddamn movie that sounds like oh, hey, that's like superman. He took it out It was never there. It's some of the jot added I guess Oh, yeah, I supposed oh, yeah Yeah, I'm I'm down to we can go through super chats as many as you want Until there are zero left. Well, it would be neat if we can get through today's ones, you know That'd be that'd be swell. Yeah, we can pull that off Can pull that off. I'll be fantastic. So I'm gonna get started. You guys ready Yeah, I'm I'm ready. I am We'll tell you what before you start. Let me go ahead and top off my beverage And I will uh return I will return shortly not directly directly means immediately. I will return Directly means immediately. I thought directly just meant, you know, like in a way that doesn't involve Uh, you know like a straight line Um, uh, yes I mean, I think it's clearly rags have been losing his mind today if you look at his little icon He's like, yeah, his eyes are all fucked. I think he fell headfirst into the pumpkin and got out of it like And the choice of brain damage. Yeah, his rags not seen Shang-Chi No, no, but he's had the whole film described to him That poor guy again, probably the what happened to him was that the damage done Yeah, I mean that's like that's like me in the last jet. I've never seen it, but I've seen your review of it, so Yeah, I think as said he's never gonna watch Rise of Skywalker, but he's seen my review So I guess it's painful The review less so but still Yeah All righty lord long bone of mubeslington abbey Have you given any more thought to a cong fap of peter jackson's long cong? When there's less going on it'd be a movie fap for the ages ps. Oh wait, I'll read that once ranks is back, but uh Yeah, yes Thought is being given thought shall come and a recording of such a movie shall be a thing This one says angry super chat 9 So I guess they're just gonna keep counting up. See what happens What's getting terrifying to think about? Hey Mola started watching your videos like last year and I saw your doctor sent visit machine for pigs video And honestly, it's really inspiring to me. Hey That's my um my oldest like I guess I don't know what you call it, but a new format of review Or I was like it's time to Take a lot more time Eli rakes No, it has been that chicken that you were very lably eating. Yeah, no the thing is see I accidentally my when I made it I I baked it and Yeah, I over No, I overcooked it. That's the thing. It's a bit My timer I set it for about I put it up in two breasts, right Uh, 450 degrees. I set it for about 30 minutes and I was gonna check it But the dinger didn't go off for whatever reason very surprising So it ended up being longer than that. It was a burn, but it was just Over done I mean, I guess you'd rather of all of the meats, right? You don't want to overcook you don't want to undercook chicken That's true. You don't um, but generally I like me. So like me a juicy chicken. Oh, yeah That was one of the revelations I learned like when I was getting older. It's like man like You kind of lose something sometimes when it's like well done Oh, yeah, I don't like yeah, well done meats. I don't like them I like um, I like them as raw as I could eat them generally. Um, I don't know if I'd agree with that For me, but uh, I definitely prefer a little bit of red in there Like I like my my steaks Medium rare at most Generally about medium rare. I'm a big fan. It's a huge fan of sushi. I love it. I love all that stuff Love me. Uh, you know good raw sushi and stuff I like me some juicy chicken Uh, all that sort of thing. So Yeah, chat is making a compelling argument the ideal way to cook chicken is to have your mom Cook it and deliver it like a song. Yeah, that's true bring over the nuggies That's essentially top tier Yeah, you and you can um, you can get away with overcooking like drumsticks more They just retain or at least they seem to for me. They just seem to retain They are better even if you cook them for longer Um, and if you keep the skin on it'll help to get the skin nice and crispy Um, so it gives it a good kind of you know crunch on the outside But like just plain old breast where it's just pure white meat You don't want to overcook those. There's just nothing you got. You definitely don't want to overcook those And they're just not pleasant And dear god don't overcook a good tuna because that stuff is crap if you overcook it See if it's just gross No I don't I gotta do everything here. You can do it. No, we did it. We want you to Do it too. Oh, I'm since he's like a gas I'm gonna try and provide a little bit of neutral ground. He's got two of the hosts coming after him already, you know I'll take it taking all comers A chat chat saying kick kick doomer bandoomer See if it's delicious. It's it arguably the best food to see food I I gave I gave a very controversial much so much great variety everything Fish and different arthropods and oh man, it's great. Yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of nasty It tastes like it came from the ocean though. It's gross. It smells. Yeah, that's like one of the cool parts of it Is that it does taste like it came out of the ocean It will count that's like saying a cow tastes like something out of the middle of a came out of a field. Yeah Yeah, I mean potatoes tastes like something that grew in the dirt Yeah, and that stuff tastes good But I mean all that fishy stuff Okay, okay. What's what you're saying is the ocean tastes delicious I'm saying I'm saying fuck the ocean has a great variety to it. Don't eat stuff in the ocean. Ocean's great I don't eat seafood in the ocean. I I get it. It's from the ocean Have get yourself a good how far away is the ocean for me fringy? not far Like within an hour drive or oh, yeah, yeah, definitely. I'll do you one better. I grew up in florida and I hate seafood Remember rags. Yeah, but well, yeah, well there we go. You grew up in florida. That explains that Why does that explain the liking seafood? That you're wrong and that's something with something in the Florida water Florida is the wrong state Yeah I guess there is just something wrong about florida the florida man hates seafood. It's a headline Anyway, seafood's gross. You know, it's delicious Incredible variety so good for you Oh, look at that. I stopped the timer a half second before I don't even know what that is actually It's like a mil milliseconds there. Oh, look. Waluigi. Yeah. Waluigi deserves the win Um, how well wags these squishes for the good boy. Thank you very much. Thank you Oh, I've got a couple people saying dimmer is right. I'm good and correct and dimmer is very incorrect and wrong and he is also fake and gay Well, I have to write that down too. Um, and yeah, people are asking I guess I should get I should get it done So hey duma without thinking about it too much What's better Christmas or Halloween? Halloween Fuck yeah, that explains it after the seafood thing. I mean, I don't everyone has different opinions about everything right ranks I mean, I mean our opinions are right though and rags is wrong Mine is the correct opinion. Well, I certainly disagree that seafood's the best food What what do you what do you think that best food is? What is your in edible cuisine? It is it is shockingly edible. It is it's the more edible than most foods You could pluck it out of the ocean and eat it Is that what defines how great a food is like? No, no, he said he said which it's edible Now I was I was talking about his claim that it was inedible But in actuality Fish like all saltwater fish eat it raw sushi can eat it raw. It is very edible Can I can I read a super chat because it's so based? Okay It says says normally I'm a simp for rags, but duma is correct about seafood It's horrible and ugly and stinky and all seafood are nazis From toxic monger the hateful brood who is correct in base First off, there's a few issues here. Why is of capitalized? I'm not sure already calling into question. It was a stylistic choice super chat All right, that makes it worse. He can't even claim ignorance then And then at the end all seafoods are nazis not thoughts. He's what it's there. What it's there I don't know. Where's that going? I'm not sure I I this is a very questionable seafood is corrupted with the essence of nazis the whole thing is if you like seafood I think Germany is a landlocked country What what does that have to do with anything they'll import things? Why why would germans have that kind of control over the the oceans or anything like that? It's not like it's not like chili that has the or chili depending on which side of the border you're on The ocean is livens. Why would they go take it? Well, that didn't work out. Well They gave it a go Oh, man Anyway, good super chat. Yeah, well any any particular reason why you prefer Halloween Christmas or is that just random? Oh, no, um, I really hate gift giving holidays So like I in general I'm really negative about holidays. Halloween's one of the few ones that make sense to me Hmm makes like Like like for example, like valentine's day is so weird to me Like shouldn't you be just be doing those things? Like all the time like why would there need to be a special day for like being nice to your significant other? Right, so weird, but like Halloween school you have to like have a party It's not the only time you're nice to your significant other It just draws It's a special time to just be to extra draw attention to um And to be extra romantic to just remind you of that sort of thing And it's nice to have a day where that's something that you could put really at the forefront more than other days And I think that's totally fine Yeah, that's like saying that you should You should only be generous on christmas or something. I think that's part of his point Yeah, that's that's part of my point is like I really I really dislike mandatory gift giving holidays. Basically all I mean, I'd say it's socially mandatory if I would say it's socially mandatory definitely Like you can't be the one asshole. It doesn't get anybody anything That's not gonna go. I guess you can but it's just yeah, it's not gonna be great for you I've I've been I've been trying I've been trying to opt out of christmas for like 10 years and it's still not going well You still get drugged back into it if you if you really like your family Then wouldn't you want to give them little gifts now the goalposts of mood And if you hate them and if you hate your family then it doesn't matter if you don't give them anything because they hate you Anyway, this is the whole this is the whole thing is that if I see something that someone's gonna like I already am going to buy it for them But why should I take it buy it stowed away and it's like, oh, well I have a gift But I'm gonna keep it secret. I'm gonna keep it safe until a special day What I have to give it have fun with the wrapping and it doesn't have to be a you have fun with the wrapping I'm a terrible rapper. It's actually and I like it's actually I have fun doing it because of how shit mine is mine is mine is Distinguishingly crappy compared to everyone else the rest of my family are like Like assembly line robots when it comes to wrapping it looks perfect and mine is just I just I don't know how they do it. It's my wrapping is very good. So my wrapping is very good And I fucking hate Christmas. So I have no excuse you should have a lot of it Well, I'm a halloweener at heart, you know, I'm just a good at Christmas as well Yeah, halloween is clearly superior because halloween is a holiday that should exist Wait, is it wait, are we gonna go with it? Is it is it good that you're it's socially acceptable to Give candy to strangers who come to your door wearing costumes Well, you you you cannot answer and it's not going to change much of anything I'm not particularly committed to that part of halloween. I mean, I'm in my mid 30s I haven't gone trick-or-treating for you know two decades. I'll come to your place Knock on the door in the costume. Oh, I keep I keep the light off, sir Elevated the party complex people don't come to my place Yeah mandatory candy giving that's right brad Yeah, so I'm assuming that moller takes the Pro halloween position and I do halloween Like october is my favorite month. It's a wonderful time of year with us Those are variables and fun crazy ideas and stuff like fun. Christmas is a little bit more boring Yeah I mean Christmas is the one I end up having to like celebrate because it just makes sense like Whatever it is that you're doing it's easy to get time off around Christmas or if you're in school There'll be a break or whatever. So yeah, I was going to go back home last Christmas is that you actually get more I think they should take uh, that's a good argument and they should move halloween to the last Friday or saturday of october not have it all week on like the 31st or whatever day. Yes So that because a lot of the time if halloween happens on it like a school night Well, that sucks. I gotta go to work tomorrow or school tomorrow or something. That's shit Yeah, make it a saturday so we can have e-fap streams on halloween every time Don't you often have uh, like halloween parties that are not on the exact day? Well, that's what we'll be doing, but that's not preferable, you know Yeah, but a lot of the the trigger treaters and all that and a lot of the get-togethers are on The halloween itself and it would be nice especially for the kid I'm gonna I'm gonna pull a think of the children here and I'm gonna say I want those kids to be able to I enjoy their halloween night with all the candy and the costumes and trigger treating and stuff without having to worry about Being home and in bed by a reasonable hour because schools tomorrow Wait, are are the are the mods censoring pro christmas post? Do you have like the most based mods on youtube? I'm pretty sure thunder is pro uh christmas. I think james and das a pro halloween I really don't see them uh We don't suppress christmas or halloween. Okay, it's fine And I know all saint's days that yeah, I get that but screw that Like october isn't the eighth month You know we that we can move we move that so We move we have the power to move a lot of things guys. It'll be fine We have got some power at our fingertips. So i'm fine with departing from the hallows eve thing So that we could move it to a friday or a saturday Oh, there's there's actually another thing annoying thing about christmas is my birthday is nearby. So as a kid I didn't really get to holidays Christmas just sort of sucked up my birthday Yeah, we'll do that reason. I don't know. I like halloween or Thanksgiving more though For me because I like a lot about both of them I think I would have to lean Thanksgiving That one might really come down to what the like your family does on those two holidays Potentially because if like for us Thanksgiving is a big it's a pretty big thing. It's not as big as christmas Uh, but it's it's pretty big. So It's not a thing at all over in britain Also potentially true. Yeah, you don't like coming enough is this day, right? We also a lot of British people don't do anything for halloween. I'm always just like wow Disgusting creature. We don't do anything for halloween over here. It's only recently that I remember as a kid I wanted to because I've you know watched some stuff like that, but nobody did halloween stuff Now it's kind of a thing kind of but not really Is it is it normal for a mario party map to be this smaller? Um, they usually so this is the story mode. They're smaller Um Happy halloween moeller fringy. I've hunted alligators in florida. Can you hunt crocodiles in australia? Uh, I don't know actually, uh, let me let me let me like legally or Yeah, well, I mean, obviously if you want to do Legally you can probably do a lot of things, but can you hunt crocodiles in? Australia a lot of the time apparently that Okay, so crocodiles are protected um They are protected, but you can do safaris I don't like that. I don't think Yeah, because generally the point of hunting is to either get populations to a more environmentally Yeah conscious level or to thin out invasive species Or So yeah, and if it's like on Like if it's a safari and that's where like they're just supposed to be almost by quasi designed to be hunted there. That's odd Like here, that's that's how it it goes right like in a lot of places people rich tourists go to africa And then they go on this as far as they can kill like elephant stuff What if okay, let me what if The funds that are used from safaris end up supporting and creating more of the animal than was killed um I guess at that point it would just be like well If if that's the case then that's I guess a great a good situation. Um, but is that the case? I I'm sure you'll be like can we not do this in any other way? That would be the immediate thing is like surely we could actually increase their numbers while not also killing them Like we are the in prepping their guns. They're all excited that you're like you guys you don't do this Just because you have to right like no, no, it's because we have to we have to do I guess it's just yeah, like I don't Yeah, I mean I'm not I'm not a big fan of like Especially when you're hunting like fucking Like when you see those pictures of people like Elephant like I don't know am I meant to be impressed by that that's that just makes me upset Because it's it's not some animals are like like especially around here deer are everywhere It's just a they're they're all over the place They're like if you don't if you don't go out and kill a shitload every year They starve to death in the winter like they're everywhere. It's like Something yeah, like there's a lot. It's it's this is a state. That's like 80. That's like 99.9 percent forest So you gotta It's a big thing here. It deer hunting is it well, I mean that that was the problem that happened, right? Is that a lot of the uh predatory species that used to live in north america? Like a lot of them just dead or they're really far north now so um It's like there needs to be human attempts to control the population Because the animals that used to do it don't exist in large numbers anymore Uh, a lot of it might be due as well down to um in a weird way I'm wondering how much because like there are deer in like the suburbs here And a lot of the urban areas and city limits They can get pretty wide and far out and you're not allowed to Like shoot or hunt on city limits in the vast majority of circle Naturally, you know, you don't want to be Wait Does this city being here does it Does it legit give them a safe zone where they're like they don't have predators and we can't kill them Oh, I mean, there are certain animals that like benefit greatly from cities. I mean foxes for instance raccoons Yeah They're like they're all they're like possums everywhere Yeah, the raccoons are really cool. They're like they can pick locks possums too is the case. I really like them both Yeah, I like possums. Um, you always hear possums all around here Wolves specifically used to be the main control. Yeah, that's what I thought and it's like and then there have been instances where they You know, there were areas where the wolves were completely The area was depopulated wolves and then the deer were so plentiful, but they destroyed the environment And so they needed to reintroduce wolves to change the behavior of those deer. It's like a trophic cascade So, yeah, the answer to that question is apparently can hunt crocodiles in certain circumstances I wonder if I know how weird this sounds but like The satisfaction levels of hunting different things I imagine with like deer The element of you have to be quiet enough and careful enough that you can knock it out before it can start running from you A crocodile Is the thrill of the hunt in the finding of the crocodile or because once you find it It's like it's pretty much assuming if you have a gun powerful enough. It's just done for right Yeah, I think they just use 22s to kill them But you I think you have like traps and stuff you go around and you check gator traps And then you you get the gator and you you know shoot it in the head and it dies and That's that you trap it and then you shoot it Kind of yeah, you leave traps for it. Yeah, feel like that's not even hunting at that point Um You don't have to track it. It's just it's just there I guess. Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of it's in a sense it's uh, yeah in a sense Though there is an aspect there's an element too of because of an alligator and how it how difficult they could be to find in terms of It like being in the water Finding them being able to get to them And if you spot a gator a lot, it's like it's very difficult to kill it because if it if it's floating on the surface You have to get close enough to it to get enough of a downward angle to actually shoot it anyway So it's like if I wonder like how if you didn't trap them It must be really difficult to hunt them, especially because how dangerous they could be And they got like bagged up stuff on gators. I know with those there's like gator hunting shows They have on what used to be the history channel Um, they have like they're only I think they're only allowed to catch a certain amount and stuff like that Like it's like almost all hunting. It's you can only take a certain amount of deer hunting is that way and Like when you go shooting birds, you can only have shotguns that have you know a certain amount of shells inside So you can't just wipe out the fucking flock and things that nature And you have like limits A lot of people are upset by you discounting trapping as a film of hunting for me. Okay. Yeah, man. I don't know shit about hunting. So It's it's kind of like is fishing hunting In a way, yes, but not in like hunting I guess I guess if the if the broad definition of hunting is like acquiring an animal Or acquiring anything that doesn't necessarily want to be caught Yeah, then trapping would be hunting. I guess Trapping is a it's an actual thing like It's not it's not even hunting. It's called trapping. By the way rags It's uh, just just so you have awareness of it. We can prove it by having you both speak at the same time But discord's fucking you over today Oh, yep told you it wasn't gone I mean, yeah, I can believe it's not gone. It's way better Um, it just it just knocks you out Uh, the definition of hunting is the activity of hunting. Okay, that's awesome. That's not a helpful definition Hunting is the activity of hunting wild animals Well, someone said that by your logic we discount fishing as a form of hunting and it's just like I don't think I've ever thought of fishing as hunting, but I guess it is I've never thought of it as that but yeah Generally when people and if it gets too bad, let me know because I'm fiddling with settings until I get something that Maybe helps um I'm not sure if there is honestly a solution to it. It's just discord being a cunt Somebody loses. Yeah, there's always someone who loses When can fringy hear my voice when it does that? I can hear you. Yeah, but so uh rags just start talking just about anything Okay, all right. Well, I'm fiddling with now. I'm gonna interrupt him and he's probably gonna start Flating away. Yeah, there you go. See he's just gone. Yeah. Yeah, you're gone Guy it, hmm Yeah, I don't know He chooses different victims I did update like a bunch of stuff yesterday. So who knows if that played a part, but generally isn't We lost in the cold day I was before rags But I think duma was the last one in the cold. Oh, there you go. I always wonder if it's does it like that Maybe duma would get overspoken as well. I don't know I hear him just fine, but I it's probably not from my end anyway that that happens It's when I listen back to it hear it Yeah, obviously it's just a matter of hopefully we don't just have to avoid speaking at the same time as much as we can basically Do you have your voice on discord turned on? Do I have my what sorry? noise suppression Um, where is it? It's in your voice in video settings I can't I don't think it'll let me check that right now because the obs knocks out all of my options when I'm streaming in terms of It doesn't let me see them Okay But um, whatever the default is that's probably what I've got Okay, I got you Yay, something to listen to while I pretend to work for my 12 hour shift Hey You you I don't know if I could told you guys before I'm sure I've mentioned it, but it just always baffled me like when I did Like call support with tech support in like a call center for a while. It was um, kind of a nightmare job just constant problems and Uh, trying to account for other people's I say other people's mistakes But usually they are accounting for other people's mistakes It's like a long thing of mistakes and someone calls you like oh my computer's still not working and here's their um Their form of like previous things and it shows like seven entries from different call support people who are like turned it off and on Installed blah blah blah blah blah blah and you just have to read through it all and then try and figure out what their problem is Point being as a nightmare before I went and to the job market. I remember playing League of Legends back in the day And I wanted like different people to play with if I was staying up late And there was a guy who was a brother of a friend who was like always playing it I was like, ah neat. I'll play with him. Um, you know got along well had some fun And uh, it was always around the same time around like 12 midnight I would call him and we jump into him play a few games. Maybe until 2 or 3 a.m and every time I was just like, um You know don't don't like isn't this stressful in terms of like Because we're doing it in the weekdays sometimes and I should be like You have to like get up for you know, whatever and Like a job or whatever he was like, what do you mean? I was like, you know, just Do you hurry it's surprising you have the time at this time at night to be able to do this sort of thing He's like no, I'm at work And I was like what? I'm at work my job is tech support and nobody rigs. So I just play games all day Oh, man That's a blessed life, I guess. Oh, he really does play support He told me that um at some point because it's a team game that he you know I have to take the risk of playing with him that he could get called at any point You'd have to leave the game and over the all the time I played with him. It never happened Wow Yeah, and so so there are some jobs out there where you could just do anything I guess this is like wow I think you have to kind of look out for that sort of thing Do I guess luck out or maybe it's really boring? Who knows? Well, I'm sure you'd agree like if you were getting paid by the hour for a job where you just play video games on steam Oh, sure. I mean If anything is an excuse to go through your library, isn't it? Yeah, of course you'd have the time in the world It's a player. Let's throw that over Bring any plans to stream Metroid Dread when it releases. I'd love to see that Um, I I think I'd like to do that. Yeah, and that's that's uh, that's coming out next week. So It might be the forehand. I'll just double check make sure that stream stuff works for uh, Jay just said that might be on the cards. Jay said he almost worked as hard as his son It's true He's still a little bit effort into the video game Yeah, that's right uh But yeah, Metroid Dread that's gonna be a I would even tune in to you playing that for me even I someone who never watches Oh, even you. Oh, right. Even me. I don't need to be paid Well, no, I mean in terms of I'm not even like big into Metroid. I've played Echoes and zero mission. That's really it sometimes in smash, but uh, yeah, I don't know really, but I would yeah It's like not a problem, but I'm putting you at like 190 to put you back to normal now I don't know what you did, but you're a lot quieter Oh, okay. Yeah, I feel ranks is quiet. Yeah. Give me a second. All right. I'm gonna turn him back down just in case Well, I would just flick the switches back on so it should just go to normal So I have no idea what one of this game is I yeah, I flicked a few things. I think I was playing around with I toggled echo cancellation noise reduction and automatic gain control I'm I'm telling you dude. I'm almost certain there's nothing you can do about it Well, it used to be almost every single e-fap it seemed to happen And when I started using the rtx voice It wasn't nearly as common that it would happen in our recordings and everything again I'm not sure so if anyone had asked me I'd have been like it's as it's as common as it's always been for everybody It just cycles through people. I think it happened to you a couple times in a row and it really pissed you off Which is fair, but It's just yeah, I uh Yeah, I I don't know. I I don't know Um, especially because I think you heard them in an e-fap movies, which is especially annoying ranks Yeah, and then yeah, I think that's where I first noticed it and then I I listened to other stuff And I was like it keeps happening. It's half the stuff that I say just gets disappears Which is you'd think that's kind of like what shouldn't happen in a voice call where they just say you just don't get to be heard anymore Look, is it the last one I remember was when we were in the pool with Think shad and drink and it was uh shad was getting completely destroyed by it Targeting Australians But I mean if you're in the chat and you've heard of this or you're aware of some potential fix like pass it along to me I'd be very curious Duh, like I said, it can't uh, fuck me up at least to the e-fap audience because my audio comes through obs instead I'm immune to this horrible disease, but it could happen But you guys on your ends in terms of not being able to hear me What um Do you know what the because I know if you have a server With like nitro and stuff you can have like high quality voice rooms Is there a way to enable that for calls or is that a default thing that you have? I assumed it was default because it's just there's no Controls for calls, you know Yeah, like I don't know where the option seems to be if that's a thing um So Am Oh stressful Um Fringy. Oh wait, uh molla, please gadelb. It's at this point We remember that she isn't super powered, but it doesn't matter since she's the best at everything So the thing is about that that is a quote from cinema sins a win. Sorry, but I can't remember if Was he saying that as a point of criticism? What was he saying that? Because he was like it doesn't matter because she's the best at everything like that's a credit But if he was like it's fine because she is the best at everything Which came not long after him saying that didn't didn't he make a point of one like part of the video where Because like there's no reason to assume She's not any less powerful than Thor because she saved the world wasn't like that I can't remember but But what was this again? It's just um, I could make that a gadel quest couldn't remember how much of a Of a thing it was if it were um, you shouldn't have too much of an issue finding examples, right? So You're gonna start for content in that sense In terms of needing to put it in, you know What what are you? Sorry, maybe maybe I just yeah, it's just say it again. I think I might have just Okay, so um, Sino wins at one point said it's at this point We remember that she isn't super powered but it doesn't matter because she's the best at everything And I'm asking whether or not that was more of him Recognizing a flaw or was it him actually arguing that? I think that's more him arguing that Or in that case, I will add it. All right. I think he takes I think he takes glee in that idea He's like wow you go girl like but unironically because he's a loser I can't say that. It's mean Jay's friends at cinema wins Oh, no, not really Right, what's wrong with me? I'm sure he's I'm sure I well You know, I was more Joe. I was like serious obviously you'd be afraid that's just like His videos are shit Well, you know what I'm not gonna push back on that you could you could be friend It's fine. It's not like a horrible terrible person or anything. He just makes shit videos. It's fine I I just think it's weird coming from j who is you very critical of media and stuff And he's like, oh, yeah, I'm friends with cinema wins and his content is just really bad Especially in that aspect. So it's just it's odd. I guess, you know, there's a little bit of a Are you saying you're not on good teams with anybody who makes shitty videos? Uh, no That's what I make that's what I make that's what I make sure to do is uh is like is hey rags You want to be friends and I say, no, maybe maybe I'll think about it And then I'll go into some story about someone I used to know or something like that and I'll be googling their YouTube uh channels and I'll be listening and to see if their videos are good or not And if the videos are good, they're at least average to good I'll say yep. Send me a friend request. We can go to buddies. You can come to my Birthday parties. I'll go to your kid baptisms or whatever the fuck it is. You want me to do we're good. We're set And uh, if it's bad, I'm gonna say, um, I think we're brand. I think something's wrong with the call I can't quite hear you go ahead and uh message me tomorrow. We'll try it again I think something must be wrong with the servers and then I'll just then they'll forget So that's so it's yourself out Someone said bad videos don't make you a bad person. I'm yes. Thank you. Just has to be 100 percent I'm gonna make a video. It shows you the state of your soul Damn I'll be like, why can I uh direct message rags anymore Yeah, well, why can't I do rags anymore? Oh, I gotta snap up my youtube game before he'll talk to me The harsh realities of the youtube world So rags, I know you're joking, but that's how quinton decides whether to socialize with people I think quinton should be just happy that anybody socialized with him or would be willing to It is definitely not about the quality of videos from quinton. It's whether or not they align with him Politically, I'm pretty sure that's been explicit a couple of times from him That like if you don't have the same values and he's not going to bother with you I guess that's an interesting thing because it's like To some extent everybody has that perspective. It's just where do you draw the line? Yeah, let's just say he draws it harshly Yeah, right. Well, I think I think yeah Hi rags, I'm hola. Hi frog daddy lish daddy g lishes. Oh my god. Oh boy. Hi I guess hello here. He is still here Yes, he had to take his dog out Is dog okay? like um like the dinner or a date or Thinking about stepping things up to the next level Right. Yeah, you scared him with your weird questions like you do many people. Yeah My weird question weapon. I was waiting for like one second All right, then Um, happy spooky month as a chris massive. I'm super spooked right now. Hey Let's think how halloween is welcome all it's poop. Yeah spooky wean. It's it's chili to the bone If you guys ever watch venom 2 and rate it higher than winter soldier, I will be shocked It's possible like it's probably downright probable I might give it the benefit of the doubt. I mean, I don't like It's hard to beat winter soldier out from badness. I'm sorry Yeah, winter soldier is consistently and thoroughly bad Um, I love the re premiere. Oh one per week of those and then last week you get two Oh Yeah Is evap unironically evil? a little bit Prinkle a little evil and good in there Who's the most evil of the three hosts? It's gotta be you right? I can't it can't it can't be me because I'm gonna pumpkin So between I like how you said it's gotta be like it's gotta be you and then rice like pumping me Well, yeah, I think I've made my reasons pretty clear, uh, but between so between the two of you Which is which is the most evil between the two of you I mean long man steals people feelings. That's pretty that's pretty scary What do you steal if anything I don't steal anything except for Ingredients from my gear you steal those. You don't you don't purchase the legally Some of them some of them are Like hard to come by all right Do you have do you kill elephants and alligators on safari? No animals will harm them making my goo. That's for sure Okay, did you turn small animals into goo with your high powered? I just said no animals were harmed in the making of my goo You have to turn animals into goo to make your other goo. I it's like a video game animals will harm You have to combine yellow goo and red goo to make your green goo You wouldn't necessarily have harmed the animal if it were dead by the time you convert into goo But I it was it would so what you sang like the only way that I couldn't harm it Is if I wait for it to die and then turn it into goo I mean, there are human ways to extract goo from animals. I suppose or at least more I don't extract goo from animals. This is not part of the process That's just generally good life advice not to extract goo from extract goo from animals All right, let's do not extract life advice with efab You can extract goo from trees. It's delicious syrup that you can put on your panty cakes There you go Um, always love your content. Although I only agree 90 of the time keep fighting the good fight I want good movies tv shows and comic books again Also, maybe one thing Important to note as well. It's blue and yellow that make green. I said red and yellow for some reason Right, nobody knows blue and yellow that make green Just for the just to keep the records straight To to establish that I I know my colors So jay jay said I know a professional animal goo extractor who disagrees with this ring. What do you have to say to that? I mean if he does whatever his enterprise is i'm just saying that my goo was not product of animal What's the name of their business like professional animal goo extractors incorporated obviously a g Paggy professional animal goo no page professional animal goo extractors page page Take a page out of their book die mini bowser. Oh good Watch this super mario. Oh wait I didn't know you guys know each other well Watch the super mario bros vhs extended rough cut. It's an archive.org and it is fantastic Well, we'll watch them back to back the new and the old it'll be wonderful It's a letter be written Time to get the 10 shaft rings and lotion because we're talking about when woo woo Nice I've been waiting for this poggers. I'm not if they were specifically talking about um Get a little nandovis movies and you know fair enough Maybe they were talking about that. Maybe they're talking about doing politics, you know, I know Is batwoman an absolute triumph? Yes In a certain sense Yeah, that's a good meme It's a me Um, I would say batwoman is kind of special in a lot of ways So you could call it a triumph by some definitions. Yeah I um You'll be cool if for season three they recast batwoman again just to keep in in line with everything Well, here's the thing that that face thing is a pathway to many actors and actresses Remember when they got rid of mouse and it was just like why and then yeah, it was at the beginning They got rid of him quick. It was like first episode first second episode No, that was the end of wasn't the end of season one or my it was the end of season one And then they did the bruce wane thing and then fortunately they ended that immediately because my greatest fear Yeah, you think that they were gonna do something more with that, but it really was a one and done episode That's wild I think it was just uh peak creativity, you know, um, hi lads. Hope you had fun. I know we will in the chat Oh speaking for all of chat, huh? I feel like they have their own perspective, you know, maybe some chat's allowed Chat's allowed to not have fun. I was gonna say a couple of hate watchers. Oh, I'd hope so What channel is complete without a little bit of hate? With a little hate we can watchy fat. We can kill the art and Wow, that's a fat clap Snap God computers way better than me at this. Uh fap Clap under clap Do you have do you have any favorite mmo's growing up as a child? I used to love playing L. O. T. R. O. And swator Not sure if they're actually good, but I loved them Uh, the only mmo that I have played and stuck with is guild wars too I've tried wow and I just could not get into it Um, I wasn't interested in final fantasy 14 or any of the other ones I think when new world just came out, but I just don't have any interest in that either Yeah, mmo's are a tough sell when you're older Yeah, I played a bunch of wow and old school runescape Although that's not really an mmo in my opinion, but people call it that I never really go into um an mmo. I played a couple, but I just think yeah I think I always wanted to but then it just never happened Yeah, it's it's way more fun when you have like less to do if you have like a A job or like hobbies that you're really into. It's just very difficult to fit in Over some people it's always just difficult to fit in Yeah, that's the way they are, but No inuendo I mean there's there has to be a one of the reasons that I play guild wars too is it it does not have a subscription service It's pretty stupid you buy it And you get access to all the things and if you want to buy a little extra stuff you have that option Um, but I mean there's a number of reasons why I like it But that is one of them if I I'm not going to play a game We're have to pay a month regardless of whether I'm playing or not Um, just not not not keen on that Yeah, uh, I'd rather just pay a chunk a chunk up front and get all the things To to answer alicorn's question in chat I don't really think old school is an MMO because the vast majority of the game's content you play alone And then like iron man mud's becoming more and more popular, which is basically play the game by yourself plus like Raids that you can do after you have a hundred days of playtime or something It's it's not super similar to like wow where you know, you're grouping all the time and grouping is like the point You guys looked into squid game yet Thoroughly enjoyed it and would love an objective take from you folks mulligay high rags Hello to you. I have not checked it out. Oh, I don't even know what it is really Yeah, what is squid game on google it squid game? Oh, I don't know Squid game. Is that what they said just really sad Said squid game is the most disturbing show I've ever seen. That's the first thing I see Oh, it's not a game Squid game Um, hundreds of cash strapped contestants accept an invitation to compete in children's games for attempting prize, but the stakes are deadly Oh my god Well, um, you know, maybe I'll sit at some point. I don't know Is it Korean this dad Korea? Yes Oh What all I heard was memory what was that A Korean show we're already we're already preoccupied with another true Really cool show Uh, why did you bring doom of politics on? How did you find them and decide them to get them involved since they only have one video? Um, so they were on is really simple I'd seen the video they made if I haven't stamped so it fringy And then I think rags probably saw it as well because it got around. I'm aware. Yeah, I'm aware of it I just haven't watched it yet. And then I believe he jumped on he jumped on adam and sitch And then I saw him in uh, the chat when I was mentioning I'd seen the video and then Uh emails twitter and then I have chat with him while I was playing beaver game It's not timberborn. It's beaver game No Politics a key part of the anti-fun equation What was the thing maybe you should rebrand yourself to doom everything so that people don't think you're just politics Let's yeah, that's sort of an interesting question is I'm I'm already Like in the I initially sort of charted out a bunch of videos I wanted to make and it was like 80% politics and it's already been Whittled down to where it's like there's three politics videos I want to make and like 15 videos I want to make about media I mean, maybe yeah, because now my it's probably early enough that you could still rebrand just as long as kept doom apart and Yeah Yeah, the the weird thing is that like I've been on a bunch This is not by any means the first term I've been on I've been on a bunch of them So like people kind of have this idea of who I am so it would be weird to change the name I almost think it would be best to just leave it like this and just not make politics videos Yeah Change it as early as you can if you're gonna change it change it Now well did you hear anything you just said or What no I assume no Well, that's the thing is like I'm already like The name is a thing people know who do more politics is like it's something people search for So there's sort of a pre-sale franchise element there Maybe phase it out over time or use two names for a while. Well, it's an It sounds like he doesn't want to because I was just gonna say it's an easy change to go from doing politics to do Ma so that's always on the table no matter how big you are That's the thing I saw I would I would I would I would prefer to change it if it if there was no consequences I would change it like literally on the stream right now. It's just that I don't know if they're I don't know what the best thing to do is Well, um, I honestly think it'd be easy for you to go from do my politics to do ma Yeah, I think so Probably yeah And I don't think many people are gonna be confused about it And I think if they search do my politics you still probably show up As doing probably my yeah, especially just tag. Yeah, use your use your tags always tag doomer politics That's a good point. That's an excellent point. I'll probably do that actually. Yeah Yeah, it's such a it's such a fuck up in branding I I had not planned this at all and like in in the count and like the scope of my life politics is not something I've been interested in very much It's just like I made the channel to like make a video about january 6th and never did Forever it was just kind of sitting around. You know someone who went from cinema sins sins to Sin sins to jaxi sin sins to jaxi, so Yeah, oh wow And that is not from being very illustrious. Yes Yeah, I'll probably just change it soon then. Hmm Um, yeah, um, yeah, just uh, yeah, my that that's my boss. So Do with it what you will But if you don't you're wrong I mean you're wrong about seafood and christmas. That's not true. Actually, you'll come around. They all do Chat chat was actually kind of backing me up there a little bit. Oh, we have a lot of they've been known to be halloween is in chat Losers so See chat, I would never say that about you Oh, well, if you're not one of them chat, I'm not talking about you. Don't worry I don't I don't think chatter contrarian losers. They seem really like smart and like educated and cute to me This is your first treat. Don't worry You're right. They are cute while educated halloween is we welcome chris massives as well No, they're uh Oh, it was it. It was was it chris massives or I want to I want to say there was another one that I really liked. Um Oh It'll come to me. Mm-hmm. Yes chat. I am hitting on you. Oh Uh e-fap gang ever seen the hot wheels world race and accelerators movies No Hot wheels world race. Yeah, I've not even heard that was a thing I've never heard about this. Yeah Sorry, no nothing nothing on our ends a race around the world. How do they get over the oceans and their hot wheels? Bridges big bridges Wow That's pretty cool. Why can't I shoot things from my little turtle ship? Um Rags I wanted to I want you to drop you fluffy doggy balls on my forehead till you come like a fountain. Wow, that's Okay, I don't normally quick So here's the thing. I don't normally come like a fountain Just from dropping my balls on someone's face But I mean, there's a first time for everything. Maybe if I just Maybe it's like splitting the atom. You got to do you got to hit it just right for the big payoff You get you get overstimulated first or you like edge for like hours. Hmm I I'm hey sometimes when it sneaks up on you it's great. So who knows Um, and I want molar and wolf to watch and critique the scene also high rags Uh, hello wait, what's seen oh in the hot wheels movie? No, I think they're referring to the previous thing I said Uh, desolation of smile opens with a great dragon killing scene IMO Hmm Is desolation of smell the second one wait desolate. Yeah, no Yeah, you're right because it's not his desolation comes to the beginning of the third film Yeah, the I'm pretty sure desolation of smell is the second one because I actually saw that one I remember that being a really really unpleasant theater experience Why is that? I don't know. Maybe just was boring That's fair enough Yeah, I didn't uh, I didn't get faced that much by the hobbit movies I didn't mind the first two. I didn't the third one was just all I didn't care for it I like the first one the most because I sold potential Yeah, I really like the golem bilbo scene. I remember thinking that was good shit I just don't really care about him enough to be like, I just don't really care It seems like something that shouldn't have happened I mean, this is probably the most like obvious Level zero take but like you just don't have the material for a trilogy It wasn't gonna be a show, right? Yeah, I can see two movies out of the hobbit Um, but three that's starting to stretch it Yeah There was there was lots of stuff to nitpick but overall it was just Very unimaginative in a way and just not really interesting It's like, okay And while we do so gangly like hits his shoulders on the sides all the time What is what is Waluigi's? ethnicity and nationality Also species that would be yeah, that might be a more correct. It's alien. What the fuck are you? Italian goblet I think Or Italian it could just be willem defoe his species I'm something of a waluigi myself I'm something of a wah myself Venom one better than venom two. All right, maybe Mola, would you consider rag snow as as as an objective subject or a subjective object Objective subject, I guess what? It's a it is a subject his snow And it exists. Well, I have to go off in his way. I haven't seen his snow for a long time. I assume it still exists my snow Here's the thing about my snow. I don't have it not right now. That's okay though. No, no, no, but That's all right one day It will return to you. Yeah, it will the snow became Ice and like like a more like, you know snow is more powdery. Mm-hmm. Well, you leave it in the freezer It just basically turns into ice Um, so I let it outside where the water lives It became one with the snow loaded up I did I let it free it went up into the sky And one day it will return to me cute So here's a question for you guys How would uh shang chi Compare to like the phase three films where would it rank? Um pretty low that's pretty bad, but like Feels like a more reasonable bad than some in a black widow where it's Catastrophe is the way to save for that It's like so one of the things we talked about was like one of the first things we told rags about it was Hey, he cares about saving people in it It's like what yeah, I know that's good. Yeah It's nice to see a lot of heroes in phase four don't give a fuck about civilians and it really screws with their characters Yeah, well, I mean, it's not like the civilians have souls. Uh, oh Hey, man, maybe setting them free is The most I mean things aren't precious because they last forever Um, I think it's a thing isn't beautiful, but there you go. Yeah, good quote. Yeah, same thing. You know, yeah That's a good. Wow. What do they have souls or not is I mean arguably it's even worse because then they just stop existing or gone forever All the more reason to consider them more precious and worthy protection in a way That's yeah, that's my yeah Um Maybe they go to maybe they go to like like if the prisoner dies their soul goes to just jail in space or wherever they go They still have to stay in prison After life jail I can see the problem you guys have with super chats. We've gotten definitely more than we've read just Since the super chat sections. It's a it's a curse. Um, but we we you know, we Sold your fourth. We can't your jay just highlighted except loki. You're forgetting loki. He cares about people It's like, yeah, what are you not fucking supposed to like it's the opposite He's like, oh no the people they're leaving them here to die It's like loki. You don't give a fuck. You never have Oh, it's so frustrating but that's that's just what we're at Hi rags Hello Uh rags remember the dude that you debated about ion fury his weird political ramblings that had nothing to do with the topic We're hilarious Oh, I think I do. Yeah, that was bizarre. He really wanted to talk about his weird lefty shit Yeah Yeah, that's that's what a fucking weirdo That's been part of the my experiences You just want to have a conversation and people have sort of like these Pre-prepared things. Yeah, can I run through my script on fucking socialism? Yeah, they have a dialogue tree that they want you to jump into We got to talk about trans shit and socialism shit and all the stuff and I was like, this is not at all like I prepared To talk about like an agreed upon topic It's like we barely even got to it. But yeah, I learned the lesson. Don't fucking entertain their stupid bullshit Yep bizarre In what if they confirm zola is alive in the hydra base from civil war and black widow knew about it. So, yeah, it's trash Zola's alive in the hydra base from civil war. I'm not entirely sure what you mean But if they confirm black widow knew about the hydra base, that's a problem. Yeah Yeah, she didn't tell anyone that would and then say, oh, this is the thing we could do Um also high rags Hello to you and happy halloween Gosh our schedules are so full. I was just realizing like Tomorrow the day after the day after and the day after I have a stream or recordings to do along with just editing in general Best time of year The things happening I was saying to the friday night tights people they better have halloween outfits for their uh the halloween episode Otherwise, I'm gonna sue I'm preparing one right now. Actually And what's that? I don't like surprises. I must know Uh, I'll I'll give you a hint. It involves a stanley cubrick film. Ah It's expecting a guess I see Well, there is when you see it, it'll it'll be quite obvious. I think actually that's not true because there's clockwork orange So there's two So you just confirmed it's not that Yeah, I did yeah Gotcha Um smug dies in five armies. Yeah. Yeah Bucky kills zombie cap and feels no emotional hit I got I hate getting updates about this shit because I'm just like I don't I don't know. It's probably terrible. You get it. Yeah I'm okay with him telling us about it. I just like there's so little I can do like it's almost like reading out What if it's bad that I'm like Very well Uh widow sees clint die and seemingly shrugs it off I mean If you do an episode where everyone's zombies I guess you won't have time to have meaningful like moments of everyone caring about the fact that they're all dead I don't know Uh fringy, please spray your fringu across my mud flaps Um, I mean, I'm not gonna No, that's a no. I'm afraid You're gonna have to know that that product isn't available yet I can put my balls on your face Yeah rags was on board with that. I just couldn't promise So rags were on board with putting his balls on your face. Yeah, so it's up to him If that's what you want specifically if you want stuff sprayed on your mud flaps though, I don't know Don't call them Um Making a review on what if episode four is good, the rest is horrendous wish me luck e-fap Which one's episode four again? Uh doctor strange losing son I don't like from what I've heard of the summary of that everyone keeps saying it's a good episode It's like am I missing something because it sounded mechanically fucked. How do you lose the heart? Well, it's just talking about the girly likes Oh Um Language lesson one to point one based how you pronounce Cax sticed kud A few corrections the a in cax should sound more like boff So cox cox sticed kud Okay, well played beautiful. Well played. All right, this looks so stupid. I'm gonna go with it I Just rewatched the joker nando e-fap and dear lord. I'm not ready for this. Also. I miss wolf send love Well, that one was worse than this one I feel like this was that was the best nando versus movies video we've watched because at least He like drew from the film. It's just it weren't very Yeah Because like he made some bullshit claims about joker Yeah, they were weird extrapolations or writing the film for itself or You know like I could tell he watched the movie. So that's nice. Yeah, that's good It wasn't like crazy or just incoherent That's cool Um language lesson one point two tice should sound more like taste You know you're close enough and it starts to sound like something ragu would agree with Yeah, it's it's becomes. Oh, he won again I always lose the bomb one He likes shang shi, but he doesn't like joker. Remember his chris duckman level fan fiction Oh, I don't what did he say? I that was that was another life That's his main channel thing is he just rewrites movies and he like even puts in dialogue and stuff And it's just super awkward if it's like really much worse than what was there And like it's the thing that you run the risk of if you're like, I'm gonna fix your thing It's like dude if it's worse like you were inviting a world of and his fix is in your way his fix for um Joker was making it so the girlfriend was real I think No, no He comes up with really weird ideas for fixes Yeah, it was it was great He called it racist that she was an illusion like this He's like the only person of color was an illusion or something like that Well, don't illusion but you know what I mean That's it. Yeah, damned if you do damned if you don't you know Well, you got to make her a real person She was real No, no real isn't doesn't is in head his head Rack's not fair. I have another rumble related minigame and I don't have rumble in the controller So I just have to lose So wait, wait, wait, you have to wow I randomly pressed a and I won So the idea is the your controller will rumble and it's the first person to press a after the rumble wins You got it randomly. Yeah Only the if only the computer understood how much it just got bamboozled I was gonna say the computer's on fucking hard mode Oh, I didn't get that one I think in general like the audience is really good at picking out problems in a movie but like fixes is hard because You need to understand a lot of mechanics to like really propose a fix to something All right, you have to identify something that's broken to begin with Yeah, yeah, I way prefer doing them on a really really micro like nano level where um It's just like you have a a piece of dialogue and you're like, oof that was a bit over it You could have just said blah blah blah and that would have been way more subtle and blah And you know, it's like um Some of this much easier people agree on when you go, you know Jurassic Park would be better if there was no t-rex and way more velociraptors And you're like That's just sounds like a different movie. I don't know what else to say Thanks for the inspiration Mola. I'm currently working on a shang-chi video I am Chinese and I feel insulted by the movie. Well done marvel. Oh schnizzle Um Yeah, good luck. I suppose there's plenty to work with you more or less than Milan Oh, yeah, Mulan's that's gotta be worse, right? I I think I was watching the Mulanifa movies the other day again. It's just so that movie was so fucking bad Special Um, I expected the story to be lackless to say the least but the fight scenes were underwhelming even with Jackie Chan's stunt team That's just annoying to hear That it would have been his stump team. It's just like They could have like cut out a lot of wasted time and added longer fight sequences too I don't know why you wouldn't because audiences love that shit Um as a Chinaman you have my full protection from racism accusations. Oh sweet It gave you the c-word pass Well, there you go immunity As uh, oh you gay hear money. Thanks. It's the best kind of transaction Play the convergence mod for Dark Souls 3 Uh, I'm not even sure what that is metal might know what that is, but uh, maybe at some point Have any of these live-action Disney movies been remotely passable? No Oh, except um, I hear Cinderella's not that bad not the net of amazon one Just oh, are we gonna watch that? Look, there's nothing on the books yet. There's nothing on the books yet. I like the difference in like You you're like you're you're gonna veto the Cinderella with um, James Corden raggle veto like sore. I'm curious what I would veto I I just I just don't want to watch it. Um, it's not like a deep objection to it I'm just I have very little interest and I don't think it will be that funny Really, you don't think that it would just be so hideous it would be worth laughing at I think it would I I think it probably will be hideous enough to laugh at I think it would be very cringy though um But cringe can be funny It can that's the thing cringe is a risky Cringe she is a risky mistress. You're taking it. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, that's right. You are taking a risk with cringe Hi rags Hello to you It's my birthday today. Just turned 26 Wow, how about that? If that makes a great present still haven't seen Shang-Chi but they wasted abomination Well, I mean, I wouldn't say Shang-Chi wasted abomination. He's in it for like five seconds and he does Punch someone or whatever. So it's just like, I mean, what it's about it. What else are you gonna get? but um It'd be fair to say that about a incredible Hulk, I guess And do can I humbly suggest iron monkey from 1993 for if that movie sometime think of the emperor moulin remake hitting people With blankets times 20 Oh That was pretty funny. You remember that the blankets And the melan remake How she would throw them out the little I don't think she did it was uh, it was the king right or whatever the emperor Was she did it the witch did it too on the city? Oh, right? I thought you meant melan Um, I just the particularly funny one. I think was the emperor near the end. He did all kinds of things Not quite as funny as when he tossed her the arrow and she did a flip kick and killed the villain. That was That was A team of people would have made that it's incredible Yeah That got thought of in the first place Spoken out loud approved and then executed. So Uh, woke cringe is so forced. I can't imagine trying to create around it purel moments I don't know. I I find it could be a really interesting challenge to be forced to like what kind of restrictions a studio would give you When he said purel moments, I thought he meant like hand sanitizer and I was very confused But like, you know, you know if studio is like you have to have I don't know all of like the trappings of all that shit, but then you try and make a good story underneath it There's hope about that. You can make it work Someone out there. We'll do it There'll be one good movie in the mcu eventually guys and we'll find it Um, your fairy brand is being infringed upon rags. You should sue for damages also. Hi rags Hello to you I think rags welcomes more of his people Yeah, I'm fine with it Hi rags Hello to you. I'm considering moving to arkansas any recommendations on cities and which ones I should avoid No, honestly, I don't really have all that much inside into that Generally fun welcoming place. I imagine Good old arkansas Um forget invincible check out fx's legion I've heard a couple recommendations for legion. I want to come up now. Isn't it? Yeah I mean, it's not it's it's older than invincible too. So Or at least the first season is right. I don't know. Did it get stopped? I think it's over now. Yeah Oh don't you can't punch the child guys check it out if you haven't got a stream of this this shit is awesome Oh, no donky kong. What are you doing? I'll give him the fuck out take his money. I like how even he said what donky kong And he's consciousness takes his money. What are you doing? His ape brain is not equipped to deal with your concept of morality. Yeah, he just registered that it's bowser But donky kong is a protagonist in his games. Why is he? No, now he's an anti-paganist He's an anti-hero all along anti-protagonist He's an ape hero Sethrogan laugh. Yeah I'm not ready for that Nobody is Hey crew, I hope you could get miss anthro pony on his recent video getting is getting hate for caring about a tv show too much He's a good boy, and I hope we get him on some days format is similar to unbridled rage videos. What's um What what is he getting hate for? I don't know Let's have a look. I'm curious Hmm Is it a shitty tv show is that why? Oh Oh, it's it's about my little pony. So that could be the infamous that could be for all kinds of reasons. I wouldn't know I haven't saying it's bad Or something. I think I think they're saying the new one is bad. The old stuff is good That's my assumption from the thumbnail and title Which is probably gonna piss off the new fans of my little pony Okay, you know them lot The big into the pony stuff, I guess I had a friend a guy friend who was a super brony. It was really strange Yeah, I know people Yeah, he had collected some of the some of the dolls and would constantly say that I need to see the show and I'd be like I'm all right. I think I saw a couple of them and I was like, it's fine. It is absolutely Yeah, I had a friend who's into that stuff. I mean, I still have that. It's still my friend Um, I got they showed me a couple and they were fine. Yeah, probably they were fine. I I enjoyed them Normal cartoon show with characters doing their thing Yeah, I had no issues with the show And yeah, I don't know which of the many different fucking pony shows it was I don't remember Um, it was around the same time Game of Thrones season two was out so that should tell people which one it was And as you can tell the fact that that's my memory was me being like I prefer Game of Thrones to this That's a preference I have Uh, oh speaking of which Game of Thrones season eight is a pitch-perfect example of subverting expectations at its worst They undo everything established all the character where can do none of Do one of the most boring nothing endings ever Yeah, I think that they're on record saying that um, it would have been like too boring to have john kill the night king It's too boring to have. That's a great reason to make decisions Yeah, it's top notch. It'd be too boring if you did the thing that we set up what happened and everyone would fucking love to see I fucking hate that. It would be so satisfying. Yeah Is it too boring that luke defeats the emperor? Well, you know defeats the emperor? I guess he did I suppose you could argue. Yeah, he doesn't quite do it like it's it's a complicated Okay, let's let's do a different one. Is it is it is it a problem that like Spider-man saves. Yeah You know what though Frodo wouldn't have if not for the chicangory at the end of the thing. So it's That's right Same for spider-man with a lot of his villains. They defeat themselves in a sense They often. Yeah, they're themselves But maybe maybe they're on to something we can't just have a villain be beaten by a hero. That's boring Yeah, I mean it can be really interesting It can be really interesting to like establish something that can lead to multiple possible outcomes If people think it's going towards one and you go towards the other But just just in general being like, oh, well, they expect this so we'll do the opposite That's a terrible line of thinking Do you say that and then it's like, yeah, we could also just go as far as saying you have one outcome Everyone's seeing but there are many ways to commit to that outcome, right? Oh, exactly. Yeah How we get them does john die when killing the night king does john have to kill a friend in order to kill the night king is there some kind of You know, like is it killing the night king will actually make things worse and he didn't realize that You know, there's plenty of things we can fucking do the idea that like we know he's going to stab him So stupid it's like Well, so I think it's it's I mean there's way more to it than that There could be like an intricate layered battle with like Fighting past some of the lieutenants and then failing and having to fall back and like you don't know What's going to happen and someone comes up with a plan and like you execute the plan and it doesn't work So you come up with another plan and that plan starts to you know, exactly There's a whole there's a whole range of things that can happen Eventually he kills the night king john stabbing the night king in that ending instead of are here And that's the only change we make it's still a shit episode Oh, of course I mean like I My biggest problem with that whole thing is just that the night king ever decided to come into winter fell while anybody was alive Like what's the point just send in zombies send in more zombies because he's arrogant Okay, that's why it makes sense completely with his characterization of being an arrogant ice lord What was he established as being arrogant? It's just something we come across all the time was like Sudden arrogance is the only way you could explain Certain decisions or a lot of videos like shut up. That's what it is Yeah I expected that to be a problem with Thanos is like Thanos has so much power that Almost by definition the only way to beat him is for him to fuck up It's like if you don't fuck up how do you beat him? It's just cool that he wins Um, I just don't think that they stuck the landing for that in terms of like, so how do we recover? Endgame was like yeah and vomited all over the room is like. Oh, yeah Yeah, they should have just ended if if the if the whole series ended on Thanos looking over I don't want to give too much away because I talk about a hypothetical that I think would be super neat Yeah, um because we talked about a couple when we first did the uh endgame stream, I think and one of them was that um what if You know the fanatic snap didn't actually kill everyone. It just created two universes one with half the people one with the other half That's I I didn't even think of that one that that one. I must have forgotten that because that is uh Yeah, that that can be really cool. You got a lot of options and it feels like they picked possibly the worst Is is what I would say in terms of like utilizing this um this idea and fully exploring Superdism You'll find out all about it when that video gets done and whenever I'm done Mongo Supremacy cometh but hail the doom patrol I've not seen it. Who does good though? That's what I keep hearing best lead slash movie mortal combat snake eye shang chi What Does anyone know what that bad snake eyes? Is it the best lead in each of these movies? I mean Best lead slash movie Oh, so they're asking which one does the best lead model combat or snake eyes Well, I haven't seen snake eyes. So neither have I Then they also ask shang chi. Okay. I think I further understand what they're asking now. Um, I mean Maybe maybe the guy in mortal combat is so fucking lame. That's yeah, he's probably the worst out of the lot He is yeah, he's just a vacuum for interest It didn't help that he was next to kano for a lot of the movie as well Well, that that's that's that sir, but if kano was the lead Then uh, which but if you want us then mortal combat cuts out on top there I think honestly, that's one of those things. We're halfway through the movie you're filming you're like Fuck it. This guy is uh, we like this kato guy. We're changing the ending Um as for which one's the best movie snake eyes mortal combat shang chi It's probably gonna be mortal combat for entertainment I really enjoyed mortal comp. Well, no, it's a bit of a no. I enjoyed parts of mortal combat Yeah, it was it got dry at certain points Well, yeah, because it's like, you know when that protagonist is fighting gore. It's like, ah sucks that he beats it but then when it's like Freaking scorpion versus sub zero that was really cool. But then we got nervous when Protagonist man was getting involved. No, there's no go away protagonist You shouldn't have that be a thing in your movie where we're like go away protagonist. You're nobody likes you It feels like a problem that we almost moved past and it feels like it's slipping back in it feels like, um Transformers is kind of the same situation where it's like, I just want to see if I can optimize prime Shit fighting people. I don't want to hang out with sam or fucking all these people on the ground Um, and then it creeps back in where it's almost like we can't do we can't have it be that we have um, you know Johnny cage is the protagonist our pov character. We need which would have been so much better Imagine if you had your scenes where it's the interactions between um, johnny cage and kano. That'd be awesome God it's not even close like that's gone. It's gone. It's never gonna happen like because kano is gone. Well Maybe they'll bring him back. It is mortal combat mortal combat universe true No only hope Yeah, because that definitely getting a sequel that was like one of the most successful films on hbr max ever Is it definitely gonna sequel have you got like an article or anything? Yeah. Yeah, that's that's definitely happening I'm pretty sure that's just already being announced I hope kano's in it I do hope they bring back kano yeah Fringy is your avatar a result of evil of the evil circles Uh, I don't know what the I'm working on the the halloween law for this year. It's it's not done yet Is it gonna regard this avatar? Uh, no, it's actually gonna be totally it doesn't even matter like it's it's funny I was I was thinking about this the other day. I was like the fringy law is getting really confused Um, there are so few things like Well, yeah, but then again, I don't give as much of a shit about continuity for this If I could do a lot of fun things and have fun with the characters and stuff like that and premises Then uh, like in the green teal comic page is coming out every Thursday on twitter Well, there you go This person followed up with saying um Unrelated go sub to fringy's patreon there. I plugged it so you don't have to oh wow shit I I was sitting there and like oh do I want to do that? You did it for me too late. Yeah Um, have any of you seen your money? Have any of you seen visions? And if so, what is the worst episode aside from three the one where everyone can breathe in space? I haven't seen it and I'm not gonna yeah, I don't plan to see it Everyone can breathe in the space Not robot Except treasure planet that was As opposed to install was Mongo Supremacy cometh, but hail the doom. Oh wait. I read that already. I don't you read that. Yeah um You guys totally whiffed on the discussion of foo Manchu's name. It's not at all confusing the rights to foo Manchu. No We were asking why foo Manchu was a racist name His joke was they removed it because it's racist, but then actually they didn't that's his joke So our point stood both before and after completing his sentence You got to understand just because he hadn't finished his statement doesn't actually mean he was misrepresented or that we misunderstood anything This goes both ways chatter runes Uh, the rights to foo Manchu lapsed and they needed a name that could copyright He was making fun of people who thought the name change was due to a fear of racism an accusation That's been made regarding the name change Hence our confusion. So you agree. Yeah, thank you Uh rings op please nerf I don't even know that I need them to see to understand them I mean, I guess I want that That picture that we looked at definitely needed like some heavy fucking nerfs like Like the the void ring and the oh those ones. Yeah, yeah those rings those rings are like completely broken I assume maybe that yeah, they're probably talking about those ones actually They said I was just joking, but holy crap, please nerf those rings. Yeah The rings are very hyperbolic. They're powerful, but not nearly as powerful as they sound Power they can accurate descriptions or what like you could just you can just create the heart of a sun and Malleable darkness and I can open a portal to space in front of you Well, I say that as if Dr. Strange can't do that, but I'm sure he can do that um Yeah, I mean, who am I losing to at that point those are the kinds of questions You really just wanted the mc to have the balls to answer Like Thanos is fighting people and Dr. Strange just opens a portal that's quite small near him to space And you're just like yeah, do it fuck him up suck him right in you go With the bones everywhere The gross but I mean it'll get the job done He's just stuck there like it can't kill him, but he's permanently just stuck to this portal and he can't leave But he just I don't know like release me sorcerer Release me sorcerer Just attached to his butt. It's really hard. Yeah Is the the roundness of his bottom creates the perfect feel I Would rather be left cheekless Sorcerer you attack me my weakest Fuck that game is hard Which game avoid the ufo game Oh, okay. I thought you were referring to something that may be like the fan of this thing It's like what game it's a game fish Trap your butt Space butt 10 rings are much less than the infinity stone. Oh, wait Before you go that means that somewhere out in space. There's just a purple sheet It's just It's just floating Maybe you could make out the uh top of a windshield You can make out the rudic symbols of dr. Strange's thing around it. He's like, what is that? What does it mean? He's into some freaky shit Um Uh 10 rings are much less than the infinity stone since the stones blatantly rewrite reality in the comics But anyone could accomplish what the rings do just with magic or super technology With with those descriptions though Those descriptions described like nonsense And also hyper powerful things Those sound like d&d spells maybe It can't summon a black hole just create a vacuum Well, yeah, I did. I don't think we said I could create a black hole. Fucking hell Um iron man has super nova level feats in comics so he can survive the star level heat with ease fucking hell Jesus christ I always imagine they push it to Like you see Iron man suit by the time his end of his comic run is powered by suns. He'd be like, yeah, yeah I'm sure he is. I'm sure he's very powerful She's very cool The lyre rings sounds a lot like golden experience requiem from jojo I have no idea I think there's a lyre ring Yeah, the I think that was the one that I pointed out was kind of funny name. It was called the lyre ring He was like binding a biasing joke. Yeah, I remember now Uh influence ring changes your gender trans rights I mean, if it's if you can change anything about the body, I guess, so I don't know But can it create genders? Maybe the realities don't could probably do that as well as well To be fair, a lot of the rings are very confusing in terms of what they could even do. So I don't know And to be fair people create genders all the time without rings of power So how do you know they don't have rings of power when they're doing that? Oh, that might be true cock rings, maybe Mm-hmm or IEDs. Are you ease? Sorry Comics Mandarin stumps MCU Thanos. Well, yeah, clearly like Yeah, I'm sure he yeah I'm sure the comics are very impressive But comics Thanos is pretty much a wizard super tech god in the comics like dark side, but not as pure Not as pure physics prowess I'll remind you that even without the stones that comics Thanos can be somewhat even footing with beings that are living That are living concepts Living concepts. What does that even mean? That's a comic It's it's a bunch of woo in a comic book. You know how people gawk at that? That's like an anime thing I mean you the power levels is I'm sure that's very impressive to the 14 year old who thought of it. I don't know. It reminds me of the the anti-life equation I'm just sitting like the fuck does that Very very spooky Um an actual Mandarin like an orange would be better than Travis Lattery Yeah, why not or what about a tangerine? I'm surprised they didn't have him eating a mandarin when he walked in the room Well, I mean does he what a question what are you what is he eating when he's down there? He's been locked down there for like 10 years or something. What has he been eating? I think it's the little fantasy creatures poop Is it it just poops out like part of the Is that part of the poop lore? I'd say so. Yeah So wait, is he is he part of like the the Shang-Chi crew now like is it's he going to be in the next Shang-Chi movie? Just kind of hanging out Maybe he maybe he lives with a civet and he eats the um the cherries from the poo like we were talking about No, jay said I am a living concept. I am the paragon of cum That is impressive. Yeah, I can't imagine the the power that comes with that I'm gonna talk about the good comic you read. I I'm Trying to read That sounds funny out of context I'm probably gonna read plenty of good comics as time goes on, especially if I win that Shang-Chi bet which is still looking good Are you gonna buy a lot of comics with it? No, I said that um if they win I pay them a hundred dollars each if if I win They have to buy me a hundred dollars worth of comics each Oh That's what's the Shang-Chi bet I gotta I gotta before it hits streaming. It's got it in 380 million I think the film. Yeah, and you've got a whole month before it hits streaming I mean it is the the numbers are getting lower and lower in terms of dailies and now we've got it It's competing now with Venom and Bond. So Yeah, you're still might yeah, I would still you probably you find like I don't imagine it's gonna clear that mark Well in that case Plenty of comics to come. I'm apparently as ascending me the the nightfall arc Do you know that one for me? Are you up to date on these things? nightfall for Batman No, I I I I've been actively waiting for a couple of years. So I might be out of loop unless it's an older one Because he's been passively reading Yeah, I made the mistake That day I did the thing what Uh Venom 2 seems to be a Six or five which would make it the best superhero movie this year. That's kind of sad really I'd be surprised if it gets that high No way, but it might be the same director and everything No, it's any circus actually, which means it might be better than the first one, but the first one's like a two Also, isn't any circus like golem like the CGI actor. Yeah. Yeah. He's he's directing like golem in what way He's like he's pale or I immediately thought of him as like hunched over directing the movie like He's like golem He is similar or comparable to golem Like man, wow He's just stunning like this. Yeah cool guy He's just trying, you know I I imagined that Venom 2 is probably a lot of fun because First movie is shit, but it's kind of fun and this one probably leading more into the fun parts of the first one Yeah, but like there's no way that film is going to be a five or a six I highly doubt that. Wow. If you go and see it and end up loving it, you're going to be your face Whoa, I mean if I like if I love it, I mean I may well enjoy it like I'm I I think I'm going to enjoy that movie but about separating Your feelings from the more thorough feelings from the reeling Yes, I'm like that There's feels and then there's reels So to jump ahead because it regards what we were just talking about Rags living concepts are stupid and edgy. So what about an embodiment of death like a grim reaper? I don't know what that's an embodiment of death. Why would that be a living concept? That's a guy who goes around. That depends on which iteration of him we're talking about Because generally when we talk about we we describe him in that way Death isn't a concept though. Like death is a thing that is That is a physical process that occurs Wouldn't wouldn't a concept a living concept would be like fucking a walking I am done in Kruger or something like a walking talking um I don't know like trickle down economics That would be a living concept. That's what I mean. I'm very confused why I have death Death isn't a concept. It's a thing someone's quoted that as like a The language is complicated here death as a concept is like well no death is like an event that happens Death is something that actually happens. Yeah, death is a real measurable process Well, if the categories didn't exist, it would still be something that happens Unless they referring to the well when he says the grim reaper is a concept But then again, that means you've gone into fiction. That means all fictional characters are concepts Yeah, and and then I guess you could fit all of them as living concepts, which is just like Yeah, it's like it's probably like oh, he is like the embodiment of fear So they go on to say vastly non-human Perspectives See the ultimate sandman also what's so hard to understand about the anti-life equation you get to control all life That is no, that's not anti-life. How is that an anti-life equation that you get to control all life Equation is a bunch of words that if you read them strip people of their free will Like that That's anti freedom equation No, just you wait just you wait. Hold on. I need to read it to you. You've never You've never heard the anti-life equation. No, I know. No, I've yeah The meme repository's definitely read this before on uh, yeah, so this is the formula The formula is loneliness plus alienation plus fear plus despair plus self-worth divided by mockery divided by condemnation divided by misunderstanding uh multiplied by guilt multiplied by shame multiplied by failure multiplied by judgment n equals y where y equals hope and n equals folly Love equals lies life equals death What's so hard to understand about this? Where does this come from? This is the dc universe Isn't it the dc universe? Are you serious? I mean, I was just I was like I got the I was evoked of donnie darka. There was like some weird shit in there It was like cringe, but it wasn't like one-tenth the cringe of that What is the dc universe? This is this is the problem It's like rap lyrics like 20 skill 30 concentrated power of will or something like whatever that goes I didn't know the anti-life equation of a 13 year old girl's facebook meme So i'm pretty sure that some of those are synonyms Oh, well, I think my favorite part is like there are no brackets, so I have to go chronologically Oh, well, I got to do fucking um, I got to do uh big mass here to figure it out Oh, fuck that What's what's the difference between loneliness and alienation? Oh, I don't know loneliness plus alienation You can be lonely while having been accepted into society, I guess yes, and you can be alienated While it's not being lonely, I guess or it's doing the alienation But what about alienating despair? What is the difference between those two? Is it just a more intense version of despair despair is intense sadness, so it's distinct from right, okay Also, someone said in all caps that is not the original equation It's the equation on the dc wiki. I don't know what you want to say Well, that's the original one finger equation. This is yeah mockery condemnation and misunderstanding Why did they write that like like I'm just working close poly because just it's just been posted and I see it now And it's just why the fuck would anyone write this This is so fucking cringe Let's say you have this Well, how do you use how do you get the components? Like do you like do you plug in the numbers and measure them up and Do you say these in english? Do you say it in english? Do you say it in like spanish? Do you say it all over tune a or something? Do I divide before I add? Is it is it is it all loneliness alienation fear despair self-worth combined and then divided by mockery because there are no brackets So I gotta like oh, I gotta imagine that that's not the case someone said gadel bit, you know what? Let's just toss that into gadel. I'll figure out something. Oh my god Videos can be described as successful if they follow this formula Is it a transcendental mathematical formula? Oh, and they follow what originally said to allow any who knew it to dominate the will of any Yes, that is what it does The follow-up is um It's just universe range mind control pretty simple Just ignore the comics version where it can shoot energy blast because having no visible cons I I'm very lost at this point. Oh my god. I'm just imagining reading comics and like hearing. Oh He's using the anti-life equation. It's like oh that sounds so cool I wonder what the anti-life equation is and then eventually you hear someone say that Yeah, um Well, so this is why people What is like what's so hard to understand from memory? This is like What is there to understand about it? Like I don't know what I'm meant to understand It's it's a thing that if you say it people lose their free will if we're gonna go magic Like like someone says like how is it the Gandalf emanates light from his staffs like magic Like okay But when would you say like how do you control the entire world's free wills like well off the anti-life equation? Obviously, you know like What's wrong with that necessarily I don't understand what it means to say a bunch of words and then people lose their free will And I don't know what it means that it's an equation. What does that matter? Like why why am I adding stuff and then taking it away? What? How does that remove people's free will? I mean, I I guess what's trying mechanism, you know trying to okay trying to trying to steal man this maybe it's something like This is giving you insight into the nature of reality and by understanding the nature of reality you've gained power over it Maybe it's something like that Maybe maybe yeah, I don't care to look into it more though. Like that's It's just it's hyper edgy I just think it's retarded. Do you need a degree in like retarded evil mathematics to Use the equation. No, I speak as someone with a degree in mathematics that I think knowing math No, no evil evil evil math math It's like geometry, but with demons or something Yeah, I Triggered nomitry or she's triggered Something I guess a thing this is this is like Is this in the in the DC cinematic universe? Uh, yes Yeah, it was when dark side he found it on earth and then he forgot where earth was well to be feared I guess it I can't say that it makes less sense in that but it's a giant bit of like inscription on the floor I don't I don't know I don't know what that means. You wrote it. Let me clarify I've I've seen none of these movies. So this this equation is actually involved in one of the movies No, no not what you see in in the writing there. All you see in the movie is a giant like carving in the floor Oh, like it's like glyphs. Yeah, like you can't make out anything particularly. I don't think I'll get you a picture from the movie here All right, I mean if it's if it's glyphs, that's one way to hide the shame of this I'm just like I'm imagining being a Screenwriter for DC and I see this and then I choose to include it That's the anti I I ain't including this And that's the thing someone's like so tangly did did it's neither improve it and it's like I Yeah, I don't I don't know like I mean the symbols look cool, but that doesn't imply like alienation fear Divided by mockery times judgment like what the fuck does that mean assume that it's different in the DC If it's literally just you found it and then you do something with it and it gives you control of all free will in the universe or something It's like, okay but Did you just say the dc european union That's what it's called the gce year. Yeah, the dc extended universe That is If they have any sense they won't clarify what these symbols mean Hey moopleton. I know you're a huge fan of xcom. Have you heard about the new marvel midnight suns game coming? It's made by the same peeps Uh, I've heard of it, but I don't know what kind of game is it gonna be Uh, it's like turn-based thing, but you it's something with cards instead of like moves specifically Um, it doesn't look awesome So yeah, I don't know what to make of it Um fair enough eye rags. You should play drg. It seems up your alley drg I don't know um drg diagnosis related group drg game Oh deprot galactic. Um, I've heard good things about it, but I haven't played it myself What if we kissed in a disney sanctioned way? Haha. I'm just kidding unless however, I'm not kidding about my insistence on you dumbo's playing ddlc. I see how you switched that But um, yeah, I imagine that would be pretty dispassionate, you know to do it in a disney sanctioned way Uh thoughts on hello future me's video on soft world building. He goes over how worlds How worlds that don't always make complete sense can enhance emotional storytelling Lovecraft and walley come up There's a difference between something not making sense and not being understandable Um, yeah, because you could not understand it, but it actually does make sense as long as you don't see anything Yeah, if it's not contradicting anything Oh, man, this might be a I'd be a hot tech. What's this picture? What is that fucking picture? Pretty funny Jesus Christ It's like the slipknot fun um This might be a hot tech, but I don't think the world building in walley is very good What what are you? Oh, that's a what what do you think would be the main problem with it? Wait, you don't think walley is very good. No the world building at least on the like the third act. It's pretty Uh pretty weird Yeah, like a humanity is just stuck in like I mean it's stuck It's the unironic like go the storage container eat the bugs thing everyone's just like sitting on a chair And they just like watch tv all day and never I don't know. It's just really weird I think that that is highly Accurate to what I think we're heading towards. It's weird because it's not like the way the world is currently but Yeah, what I took from it was What the film shows is the from life to death or from birth to death the machines from all the automated stuff control everything and um They're like taught from birth exactly how to behave what to do you might get like outliers and stuff If that's what you're referring to but for the most part people are probably going to be of Uh That lifestyle because of the fact that it's all automated to best I don't know create comfort. I think is the angle they're going for sure But I mean This is a weird weird to have someone named doomer that seems to be a bit more optimistic than everyone else in the call but like Um, well that that film is optimistic, right? It's like the they get like the earth I mean is it optimistic they like destroy it by throwing trash everywhere and then go They're coming back and they're gonna come back and they're gonna fix it. Yeah, if you remember the the credit sequence They basically the earth is relatively safe. They start planning Freeze again, and they're gonna fix it up and of course the captain has rediscovered his autonomy and there's actually to do What the things is right? I'd say yeah, like I would agree it's a bit of an extreme representation because Everybody is almost identical in terms of You'd think there'd be at least one guy who's like I don't actually like looking at screens. I want to run around or something maybe but um Just the concept of like with everything being automated and everything being built for comfort It'll eventually drive us into a position that we're not going to find From an outside perspective is like horrible, but at the same time easy and just Again comfort just comes to mind basically Yeah, here's here's a hot take for chat and there's and there's a qualifier on this So kung fu panda is better than walley And that is charlie kaufman's take not mine walley is like one of the best films ever made I think really um, wow, I really like kung fu panda though. I think kung fu panda is pretty great But I do think walley is like one of the best movies ever made walley's really solid. There's a lot of great stuff. There's so much about it that's valuable think Really? Yeah That shouldn't be controversial Well, I I mean one of the fundamental things is just the amount of character that they managed to imbue this robot with is like incredible I should probably clarify that the like if you broke walley up into three chunks where like The first chunk is walley in like the girl robot and running around earth I have like zero problem. That's all really really good. It's mostly the third act That's like just like running around on a spaceship that I found to be kind of incomprehensible In what incomprehensible? We're just like not I don't know not enjoyable Those two are very different things I mean both It's like why is this going on? I don't know I think that whoa, I mean the crew line is pretty clear right? I need to get the plant to the um They need to get the plant back to the uh to the to the bridge so that I can We initiate the thing to take everybody. It's like the stakes are really clear like walley fails The robot's just going to keep taking control of the ship And then they can never fix earth And then it just leads to like walley. Oh, yeah, that's something I guess I forgot The humans are like not just put on the path to end up where they are. They're basically forced to their Subtle coercion in terms of like if ever they tried to break out it seems the robots would prevent them Let's so the problem I have isn't a narrative problem. It's like a tonal problem It's like a completely tone. It's just a completely different movie than the earlier movie What but okay, so I guess the first thing would be is that strictly a problem, but also It's not strictly a problem. I would I mean, I'm not going to argue that like walley's a bad movie. I just found it to be odd I mean like so Let's go to a better example of a movie less odd than where this is Uh Think about them. I was gonna say like no, no, they're Predators is a good example, right? That's a in the first act is a completely different movie from the next two acts Wait, which which uh predator? Oh, I I haven't seen that So I usually call it hand cock syndrome because hand cock just like becomes a different movie halfway through That's a pretty good example of a movie where there's this massive tonal shift that just didn't work You guys disagree with that? Did you not see hand cock? Oh, I'm sorry. I've seen hand cock. Yeah In chat the plant means nothing at the end There's lots of plants just off of the side of the movie devalues it a bit, but the humans wouldn't have come back Yes, that's the thing the plan has to get them back. It doesn't value anything at all There would be no humans on earth without the plant that walley found Yeah, like I Yeah, earth would have recovered, but there'd be no people there There was it's very clear what the plant is supposed to do. That's what eve was there to find was looking for the plants Yeah, she was scanning found the plant What got went into lockdown the ship came back to bring her back to the ship so that the ship would Take everyone back to earth Yeah, the utility of the plant was pretty obvious Well, yeah, you seem so you take issue with it tonally. I I'm still I don't see how it does waiting for more something I can hook on to because I just don't know Why would I need that plant? I would need to go back to the plant is how they know that earth is habitable again That's the whole yeah, they need proof that something can grow and live on earth because otherwise they there's no reason to go back The plant is Yeah I'll go back and re-watch it so I can articulate my thoughts better. I haven't seen this movie in probably 12 years So it's it's hard to give you like a detailed analysis. Yeah Yeah, because there are movies like jojo rabbit which have extremely Different tones, which is kind of like the point of the movie in a way. Yeah, the movie balances like dia grief and absolute comedy like it's uh That's probably the go-to example for the peak movie of that kind I've ever seen And yeah, you're right because like the ending quote tries to Basically make that point. Is it possible to have a successful like experience that way? Yeah, I need to watch jojo rabbit. I've heard some interesting things. Very good Yeah, I was particularly impressed with that one. It's funny because it's in the vosh video. I just didn't watch it wow Oh, yeah, because of the Hitler Yeah, all the examples of people dressing up like hitler Tiger waiti makes a great hitler. I will say that he's a great hitler That is there's such a weird thing is like you cast yourself as hitler Oh Look the man makes sacrifices for his art Jojo rabbit was great the reveal shocked me. Yeah, it's a very powerful scene reveal. Yeah To feel again Um Bringing have you heard the rumors of daredevil coming back? Yeah, yeah, I have uh and it gets me nervous Yeah, everybody apparently like apparently the the super recent rumor is there will be like a daredevil project Like a dedicated one Did people not see that coming? Uh, well, I guess it's just it seems like it's ramping up. Well, I mean there's not doesn't seem like there are gonna be projects for a lot of the other Yeah, netflix marvel stuff Like maybe jessica jones. I was gonna say jessica jones that you'll be in g-hole. You'd think she gets an invite Yeah, but you also think luke cage would get an invite, right? And then we don't seem to be hearing anything like that iron fist seems to be totally out and even punish it to punish the two gone for the uh going for the See that coming But then we decided to take it serious. It's just because this is seriously, okay Well, here's the thing it was both Like it was both serious and comedic all-in-one. It was a schmish mash of You know both I balanced two different tones the tone of seriousness and the tone of humor all into one I'll tell you what I think it's it's unbecoming of you to insult a blind person blind. Sorry. I mispronounced it for a moment though So there's there's a distinction to be made between a movie that has like let's say that uh, sometimes it's dark and sometimes it's uh, You know comedic and they're kind of balanced the like what i'm getting at is that One part of the movie is one thing and then it changes to something else And there's no like they don't Cohabitate like it's like, okay I guess have you seen have you seen the world's end? Uh, yeah Do you think that film because that film is like one thing in the first act and then it's a totally different film from then on So the real problem here is cohabitate the word I'm assuming all he would say if he thinks it works is that it does and so we need to know What does it mean for something to cohabitate with another half? I'm saying like they're they're disconnected They're they're disconnected like There are lots of movies that would start happy and then like Get sadder and lead into a sad experience and they're like connected But it would be quite odd to have a movie that's just like straight up comedic and then with No Like transition it just you know takes on let's say a somber tone and then holds it without any comedy You know and there's like let's say there's 45 minutes of the comedic tone And then it just shifts and then it's 45 minutes of a somber tone, you know with Let's say an abrupt transition. Don't you think that in general that would be a sort of a disquieting experience I guess that I need more context. I think would be would always be the Like imagine if you had a film where I don't know let's say that it starts off It's like 50 happy and 50 sad and that happens for no reason. It's like oh, it's not You know like an allegory for depression and how it can just sneak up on it. It could be totally mental And then and then it's like oh, oh shit that could be really valuable And I try to there's other ways to argue because it can get complicated if we don't have more Mechanical specifics if just for the lack of a better word like when I was trying to argue um Tfa rather beginning right the you go from Tech or is assassinated to post Screaming no and shooting on like to account and try and kill the murderer Then dragged and he starts cracking jokes and then a whole bunch of people are just annihilated in the background Screaming it's like so this is at odds and it's like but why is it at odds? You can't just say it's at odds right and it's like so I think the arguments I made included like He goes from being so emotionally invested that he's practically killing himself to get the bad guy And then he's just like telling jokes Seconds later feels really fucking quick and odd computer considering how he's like I guess characterized and then um Just try and put the audience at ease and like a it's more of a meta argument at that point that Everything's so chill and like kind of fun and then suddenly screaming hundreds of people as they admitted That was even a little bit strange for star wars in general Not to say it like because you know we had the aunt buru and uncle low in death, but It's a little bit different. I guess when you when you see people screaming and just blasters just hitting them over and over again It's like Yeah, like don't witness the aunt and uncle's suffering or you know torment. It's after the fact it's done finished And so like but with walley like when I watched that movie it all flows for me. I would go It's he's entirely on his own and we get the setting and we understand the repercussions of I guess what They did to earth humans went before they left then he gets like one person as company But this person didn't just like arrive from nowhere And like his mission then becomes don't let it go And then eventually he's dragged into her world And then he realizes that it's his world and he can Do whatever he's going to do to get them back like it to me it just uh It's just all it is is expanding throughout instead of saying we're going to consistently be a film about those two getting to know each other I'm flipping through it now so I can comment on it a bit more Might be worth it to watch it and then get back to us Yeah, well, I mean I can remember it by flipping through it, but also just to comment on what rags said Uh, I didn't like the world's end for almost exactly the reason that he stated I didn't I haven't seen the world's end Wait, what reason That it felt like two different movies kind of glued together the the yeah Racks of He didn't say it as being a bad thing. He said that it was a thing where there's like a distinction Do you mean for me? No, I never meant that in the world Oh, yeah, so I'm assuming for you brought that up because it is that Well, I brought it up because I think it's the right example again. Um, yeah They're all movies that have two movies glued together I think the big thing is like with the world's end is they are two very different types of things But they are bound together very tightly by uh by both what's happening in the plot and uh the theme as well Yeah, I'd say so how does that apply to shon of the dead? So shon of the dead is a comedic Like romance movie where a guy is trying to fix his relationship and then it continues into a zombie movie I can so chat chat has a really good example full metal jacket. Yeah, so full metal jacket is a very similar thing Um, obviously it's Kubrick. So I'm still fond of it But not nearly as fond of that as I am of his other movies But shon of the dead, I don't know that it has A huge tonal difference I mean, there's it's a blending of genres for sure also You've been switching back and forth between genre or like like What the movie's about to tone like which one are we talking about? I'm not talking about I'm not talking about what it's about. I mean like the tone which tone could be I don't know the way that all these tone ever changes. It's pretty light-eyed throughout Yeah, I would agree outside of when he gets crushed, but obviously that's like a climax of is he gonna make it But again, if you ever watch it might be worth Yeah, yeah, it's it's really hard for me to comment on while except I mean legitimately it's been 12 years since I've seen it I would I would just it's more jarring for shon of the dead because um Do you remember when they're all pretending to be zombies and walking through them? And it's very funny and it's just like chill and then not long after David's getting torn apart Literally his intestines are being spread all over the place by the same zombies Yeah, but like okay, so There might be a breakdown in communication So shon of the dead engages in a juxtaposition of like let's say horror elements and comedic elements But that juxtaposition exists throughout the entire movie basically I mean, there's I think there's like about 10 to 15 minutes in the opening before the zombie apocalypse happens And then for the rest of the movie In that first 10 to 15 minutes doesn't really have the horror elements It's more comedic and light-hearted But then the rest of the movie incorporates the juxtaposition of like horror elements with comedic elements and it's very consistent What I'm saying would be weird is if shon of the dead was like 45 minutes of romantic comedy And then there's a shift and then there's 45 minutes of horror movie and there's no juxtaposition It's just that you have two sort of distinct chunks that makes sense on their own But the you know, there's like this transition point that is do you understand what I'm saying? Well, so it would be my counter for shon of the dead if I was responding to me Um, but I'd also make that same kind of a walley That it's it's cohesive Okay, I'll I'll get back to you guys. I'll go rewatch it and then I can either concede or uh, we can argue Yeah, this put me in everything from a bug's life uh to toy story um Like a little part again No, it might I think I shifted myself, but yeah, it's even stuff like Toy story, you know with the sid with life and popper coming back Um, there could be some I don't think it Any really different than a lot of the other I guess We're without because like an extreme which you've been referencing that we probably would just easily agree with Versus something like walley just makes us think like why wouldn't other films qualifies having the same problem? Because I think toy story is a good example in terms of the movie at first is like Two people competing to be an almost alpha toy and would he's being displaced his identity's being questioned But then in like the third act it's like a horror movie for toys trying to survive sit and defeat him I Yeah, I know that when I was a kid watching it that was always one of the things about toy story that stood out to me Was oh, we're at this part now There's yeah, I can I can there's some there's some validity to what you guys are saying. I'm understanding Um, but I don't count it as a negative for the movies at all Well, so I was gonna go through the and say that um the movie that is 45 minutes of romantic comedy and then 45 minutes of Zombie horror. I don't know that that would be a bad film Well, it's actually auditioned if you've seen audition and that's what's funny Is that's like one of the one of my only examples of a horror movie I liked So it's certainly not an like an a priori bad thing. It's like, oh, well it did that thing So it's a bad. It's just that I remember in walley. I found it jarring, but obviously I probably need to go back Every watch it. Well, if it's been 12 years. Yeah, maybe you'll have a different experience this time around Yeah, I mean Yeah, it's quite a quite a gap I remember liking it in theaters and I watched it again like shortly afterwards and didn't like it and I haven't seen it since Well, what was cool is when I like met Fringian, we were just sharing our favorite things I think we were both like favorite pixel movie and we're both like walley So We're like walley is um, so I think I think what's that? Sorry No, go ahead Oh, it sounded like you had a question though related to it No All right, um, I think for me it was Maybe it might also be a bit of bias because I really like science fiction space and stuff like that So walley is like the pixel movie that leans most into that But um, I just find that movie really impressive In a lot of different ways Especially as an animated film like it's super impressive in terms of how much they achieve with pretty minimalist minimal dialogue Uh, super limited like emotional cues A lot of ones that they sort of invented for themselves in the movie thematically really strong And walley is super endearing as a character. Yeah, I definitely agree with that I mean in terms of creativity, it is I I mean I don't know how you would really argue that it isn't the most creative pixel movie at least up to that point I think I really speak to some of the more recent ones because I love um, just walley and ease relationship So can it's really wonderful I would say that is one of the most creative ones. I remember when inside out came out It's so creative the most creative one like since up It's not it's not that creative like it's There's a whole person inside your head for every emotion you feel and they take the wheel when you're feeling that the What emotions personified What is this wizard? Well, that's well and of course, uh, yms his review on inside out is like that's Kind of a go-to one. It doesn't matter whether or not your high concept is creative If the story itself is very conventional And that would be a super conventional in terms of its plot beats Inside out annoyed me so much Yeah, I'm not a huge man like that I for me that was a situation of this is like the best pixel movie in years And then I watched it and I was just like, yeah, it's okay I mean like so when I was on uh When I was on such an atom something like a chatter asked me a book recommendation My first thought was a reference book about uh, the psychology of emotion It's like something I really care about And it oh inside out butchered it so badly butchered the psychology so badly Well inside out had a lot of weird things about it like the the idea that you have these emotional Like islands that form key parts of your personality that are very fixed And not malleable and that as you get like depressed or something those they they get destroyed. Yeah, it's just Yeah, and then like there is a train of thought and the train of thought is destroyed It's like does that mean you no longer develop? The entire allegory is just yeah Well, it's it's really awkward because at the end of the film it's like oh so two of the emotions are like lost So she can't feel sad or happy therefore she emotionally shuts down to the point that she she is like Basically not even a human being anymore like she she her autonomy is kind of gone It's like that's weird in terms of implications on like psychology in this world I think it's a problem of psychology is incredibly complicated But you can't present these types of ideas in a kid's movie Like without having to simplify And then you just start having these questions. It's like hmm. How does this world really work? Even just oversimplifying wouldn't be an issue. It's just presenting things in a way that's just nonsensical Like right that. Yeah, that's the main thing. It's it's inconsistent Yeah, I looking at looking at Pixar's filmography. I have a scalding hot take but I also haven't seen that movie in a while So what is that? Oh my god? Oh jeez. No, I don't fucking do it. I fucking do it Okay, I thought up. I thought up was a straight up fucking bad movie like up was actually bad I think you I think you'll find that you're not in like the worst company because I am not as big a fan of It's it's kind of hot. It's it's hot. It's pretty like take It's just it's not like yeah, I think it's a hot take Most people say they like it I think that the like the first 10 minutes of that movie Is so beautiful that people just forget that the rest of the movie doesn't make sense and is fucking stupid That's my recollection of up. What's that? I the problem is I Don't remember as much about the the rest of the film not making sense I just remembered not being super impressed with uh with the rest of the film My recollection never stood out for me My recollection is that everything to do with the antagonist is ridiculous like its motivation doesn't make sense like the logistics don't make sense There's there's so much about the antagonist that just don't Does it make any sense at all? I remember the specifics, but yeah, it's it's weird because again the first 10 minutes of that movie is I mean, you know some of the best it's it's like we were talking about uh an interstellar where there's these chunks Or if you just take this like one scene, it's really good But put it in the broader scope of the movie and it's just like Yeah, yeah, there are things I like about up like dog. I like dog. I like uh the the the bird What's the name of the bird? Kevin? Kevin, that's right. Yeah Oh man, it It looks like Pixar fell off a long time ago. Actually. I thought this was recent The uh the the meme and again yms is the thing for me to know about this is uh There was a Day when a lot of the key people at Pixar went and got some oh, yeah the lunch Yeah, the tail end of toy story And they came up with a bunch of ideas that would basically be all of the films they made up until walley walley was the last one I I I I thought this in the theater seeing walley because this was like the the trailer for walley They were like this was the last one we discussed and I remember thinking about it. I'm like what comes after that Like Well, that's the awkward part right is it's like Hmm a lot of you With no context for any of this I would have told you my passionate adoration for Pixar ended with walley Same here. Um, I remember I remember it was a Toy Story 3 though. I remember when I first watched I really liked it. I yeah I watched like it was fine. Then I watched adam's review of it and I was like, oh, it's actually kind of Yeah, yeah that review is kind of like it's dude. It's just toy story 2 again, but worse Toy Story 2 is downright underrated. I think um I well, I think it might be the best one My thing it might be better than one. Yeah, that could be the case. Sure. It's better than four All right, I fuck for I saw the reason on canon I saw brave and I can't remember anything about it I don't think I've seen brave I liked brave, but that's it. I liked brave. You know what I mean? Like yeah And then like inside out it like viscerally offends me I mean, I actually there's there's a lot of movies like that where they touch on something I know a lot about and they just fuck it up and it really pisses me off Like I remember back in the rotten tomatoes forums This will show you how old I am. I was like bitching on the rotten. I don't think they exist anymore I was bitching on the rotten tomatoes forums about Darren Aronofsky's pie Like 15 years ago But how fucking bad that movie is because it just fucks up every single Anything related to math in that movie is just garbage. I'm sorry chat If you like pie and you don't know anything about math it everything is wrong like literally everything You take any any individual time. They mentioned anything math related is wrong It's just like staggering the incompetence. It's also like it's almost like they tried to make everything wrong um Yeah, I was incredible. It's too good. I didn't see it. No I'm not a fan of that movie dude. I'm pretty sure because we'll get around to it with efat movie someday We're probably going to absolutely annihilate that film Well, I mean it's just compared to the first movie where it's all working so well This movie was fucking great. Well the first one is like it's it's up there with with walley in terms of like the best picks are I'd say so they're usually that's the only one that could challenge the throne for me What twister or two? Incredibles. Oh, no. Oh the Incredibles. I would yeah, if you had if you had a challenge it I think I think I would have listed off my three favorite pick stars is finding Nemo Incredibles and uh I'll be the third. I do love probably write it to you honestly for me. I'm gonna go with um Wally Incredibles and ratatouille But I there's a lot of big ones up there The problem is I'm sitting here I'm not gonna stress too much about specific top threes when there's so many that are great Well, that's the thing is basically everything they're making like up into walley cars And even cars like I'm pretty sure cars we rewatched should be like that's a good movie. I'm sure cars is fine It's not that bad. I mean it's like the the problems The problems I remember with cars were conceptual problems of like The world building of a world with nothing but cars Who's changing the oil stuff like that and like I was noticing that even the first time I saw it But I think if you could overlook that it's not really that bad And they do try and answer some of that stuff. They have like car adaptations for a lot of things But it is hard to make that whole world. Yeah, it's just sort of nonsensical. Yeah It's the thing that we built for us. Why would it exist without yeah? I'm fine accepting a premise like that Um My god, that was a lot of But it's very sometimes you see a lot of the things in it and you're like And you're just like, okay, I guess. All right. All right Um, oh is luka good I haven't seen that I'm pretty sure adam gave it like a four out of ten luka Yeah, it's the Yeah, I don't know anything about it. I mean Boys on a beach or something like that I think it's like they've got summer holiday and like In town, but also they'd like see creatures Something like that. Okay I want to see soul because that's the con that's the the one where it's like that one got brave I remember that first trailer when you see that first trailer for soul. It's like it looked like What was that jesus and I think I remember hearing canonically there was a 9 11 in the cause universe Well, he did make that let me look it up. They made that planes movie, didn't they? Oh my wait He's so fucking funny I'm on it. I'm on an fbi watch list now and googling 9 11 cars universe World war two happened in the cars universe. There's a whole reddit thread about it. How did it? How did they figure these things out? What do you know? Yeah references I missed I guess Well, apparently it's supposed to be a shitpost. It's with the comments. Oh, of course it is like why would picks I ever Well, they wouldn't have to confirm that that they could confirm something that means that had to have happened, you know Right, maybe yeah Looks like the car patriot act Who knows a particular policy What what about a make of car that only existed as a result of certain events, you know The freedom car. Yes Oh, there's a buzz light your movie Yeah Yep, what's the soul thing I had to I had to take care of something real quick We're just directed by Pete doctor. That's good Yeah, but Having buzz light you're not to my arms. Brad bird directed Incredibles 2 so Yeah, you're supposed to be a dooma join us in the realm of even if it's someone we trust it could still be awful Oh, I I'm Yeah, I mean, I I'm so pessimistic about movies. I don't watch them anymore I just go back and rewatch all the shit. I like because what's the fucking point every time I go watch a movie It's like fucking Shang-Chi and you're sitting here telling me it's not even that bad Compared to the I'm like, what the fuck else movies are they making where this is acceptable? Holy fuck That's the point. Yeah, I'm pretty fucking pessimistic about movies and it's especially like it's especially You know that like the market for the kind of movies that I really like just seems to be dead Because the people who invest in movies only want to make marvel movies like Well marvel movies are safe in terms of making money And why would you take it's one of the things that people talk about that like high concept original science fiction films are kind of There's a lot less of them now Because marvel is much safer in that regard Well, the thing is it's not I mean there should be other genres of movie like You would think for example that if you have like a romance film that has certain like very very You know attractive leads that you know audiences love that it would just make a bare minimum of money period Because you could guarantee a return and like the production cost of a movie like that isn't terribly high So you would think that would exist and it just mostly doesn't like there was the Neil Blancamp Or not me Neil Blancamp. What's that dude's name? um Sam Neil? Neil Armstrong? I'm talking about marriage story. There's a couple movies like marriage story, but it's pretty rare And that's comparatively It's more of a In terms of romantic comedy by our story is uh, well not romantic. Can I say comedy? Just like romance in general Uh, oh no a bomb back. Why did I how did I mix that up? Yeah, like I don't know they just the mid-tier stuff is where you we get to use Where we used to get a lot of our really good movies, you know, like the five to 50 million dollar engine. It just seems to be going away, which is Yeah, really disappointing To go but we get one more Batman movie a year. Oh boy. That one's really excited for that one I'm curious about it. I'm very curious. I'll be curious about it. I don't know if it's good Yeah, because especially the last how many of the last bat. So okay, let's go back So Zach Snyder's justice league batman vs. Superman um dark night rises and The dark night. So that's the last four batman movies, right? Then batman begins. Yeah And then you go back to like a batman movie, which I like I'm saying how many of the I guess in my mind, I was thinking live action movies with batman in it How far back do we have to go to get a good one? I was just looking at the maybe it's like a batman are any of the dc movies good. I guess wonder woman one No, it's terrible. No No, go go watch our e-front movies coverage. We we blew the lid on that one. We I don't it was it was funny because we've we've changed minds on that I think is significant about honestly like Because it was just commonly agreed upon that wonder woman one was really good and the gal Gadot was a good actress What the fuck did that come from? I didn't see any of that It's just like my my expectations for comic book movies are abysmally low So if I like if I watch it and I at the end of it, I wasn't like wow, I feel miserable that he gets a good review for me It's like hey six out of ten. I was sat through it. I didn't fall asleep. I want to kill myself Yeah, legit. That's about where I'm at with wonder woman one. It was like, okay. That was fine Not Were people saying it wait people said gal Gadot was a good actress and it was like amazing There was was that a thing it was pretty hilarious. Um, it couldn't have been timed better On our I think it was a new year's stream for wonder woman last year Um, I collected a whole bunch of clips And we made the point that she's really bad at acting and then we showed ones from wonder woman 84 and then wonder woman the first one Including when all limited to her fucking The way she she exclaims. No is embarrassing like all the time. She can't do it properly And then like, um, we went through all of that and then like five minutes later Um, a friend of ours joined in just to have a chat one of the first things he said was like Ah, gal Gadot's uh, she's she's great as wonder woman. She's a really good actress Oh She is a shit to your actress, but she is hot So she's like one of the worst that is working today She really is one of the worst actresses maybe of all time Okay, it's funny red letter media had like made a comment like I don't want to see a movie with her And then I think they reviewed wonder woman one and they were like gushing over it They were like, oh, I guess I had to go Tiffany's just to refresh my mind that women can Oh god We go I killed both Yeah, um, there's plenty of I could have chosen for many movies, but practically Tiffany's one that happened I don't think I've ever seen breakfast at one of these Do you remember the part in just asleep where She says why because of your guilt? Why because of our guilt Um, apparently no, I looked up the 9-11 cars thing Uh, so there is so there's planes You know, I think planes happened is in the cars universe And okay in planes. Oh no, apparently it is it is canonical that world war two happened So there was a there was a car hitler The car Holocaust What the car with ours at a there was a car. Are you serious? Yeah, I could Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I can see how that car is rape of nan king I could understand how that would have gone confirmed because the the particular fucking vehicles and stuff, right? And then there's there's probably some characters that like I fought in the war, you know Um, that's so awkward. Yeah Uh, someone said there are no oh someone at someone chat said there are no twin towers in the cars universe And all I'm saying is where did they go? Where did they go? I don't I don't I just saying where did they go? Jay mentioned wrinkling that is that is a top. Yeah Wrinkle in time low-key confirms that hitler did nothing wrong Yeah, it wasn't his fault. It was the it I remember that movie. That's a one out of ten. That's that's a that's a solid one out of ten movie If we ever have to say what's a one out of ten don't never forget wrinkle in time And we never have to see it again because we've got it all on record go just go sit for it. It's all there Um, so what I'm hearing is with a set of lawn darts. I could be the most dangerous character in the MCU Lawn darts what does that have to do with anything we were talking about I completely forgotten I don't know. I'm gonna be honest. I don't know lawn darts I I know of them and how they were very dangerous toys from back in the day but I I don't yeah I've never used lawn darts. Are there someone in chat said are there are there car death scenes? And like the car sequels You like see cars die. I think don't they crash at some point since you do see quite quite a bit of carnage, right? It ranks as a carnage. Oh god Carnage. Yeah, man. Yeah, this is a carnage. Yeah, that's pretty good. I like that It's where the word called a carnage. It's so weird. Oh, yeah doc died. I think I remember that From the first cars because I only saw the first cars No, they said it's in cars too doc dies in cars too is what chat's saying Okay, apparently rod torque rod torque red line What's that? It's I guess he's like he's a character who dies in cars too. Oh, okay It's a yeah, I How do you kill a car? What parts do you have to remove from it? It's like the ship of theseus like what how many what if you replace all the parts on a car? Is it still the car? Well, it's it's not so much I'm not not not from like an identity perspective But in terms of a human like you know what parts are vital and there's limits, right? But with a car What parts of the car? Give it does it is it a battery? You know, is it a battery? Is it The because I assume without an engine a car is is actually fine. It just can't go anywhere But I would I would assume that like a that's quite like spark plugs Are those the vital thing that if the car does not have spark plugs it cannot live Someone said the engine. I already addressed the engine Um, I will maybe you send it in late, but I think that without it you would you would think engine but the engine Just makes it move like even if a car doesn't have an engine theoretically you could still It could still have power with a battery in it, you know The question is like where is the the what makes them who they are stored in a car exactly like Yeah, and our new cars that have I oh definitely Definitely have they have souls it's in the glove box But when it comes to where a car oh in the old cars that don't have like electronic parts and things like that How do they in the new cars that do have electronic parts do they're like I I'm saying it cars It raises a lot of questions You know a lot of questions that I do These are questions that shouldn't have been asked. What did you do Pixar? What did you do they they didn't ask the I asked the questions They just they I feel like we were given a lot of answers. They rose the scenario in which the questions were birthed How do cars do cars have the term horsepower if there are no animals in car? Well, I guess they're sort of animals But are there horses and cars They even have horsepower as a term in cars if there are no horses Because I think there's like little car pigeons and stuff but in power By the way, I believe robots I can I could agree with robots before cars as a premise Yeah, that seems fair There's this hilarious shirt, um I might buy it because it's just it just appeals to me somehow and it's it was um It's like christian mom's against big weld And it just had big weld with a circle in the line through it And it was And that car made that shirt made me laugh christian mom's against big weld This is a very specific fight, but a fair fight nonetheless You get I think it's like a committee is like a committee thing like you have you have moms against like you have gas Right grandmas against superman of course and things, you know, so I was thinking. Oh my god. It is the christian mom's against big weld So according to reddit, there are no animals, but there are cars that look like animals So they're like tractor cows and vw. They're sapient and sentient if they're not like distinguishable in that animal sense They're not animals. They're just differently bodied Actual cars like but they're like souls and there's like vw beetles that are like beetles So they're like tiny cars. I think wait. Oh What in the world I just don't want to make of all that um Yeah, vw beetles cars universe here So what are the racist words in the cars? Yeah, here you go This is these are the animals in the cars universe. They're cars with wings They're just cars with rings and antennas That's creepy I don't know why it is very creepy. I don't my mind has a hard time Just have it be an actual beetle I feel at that point Just say that there are bugs in the cars universe, you know, it doesn't hurt you. It's fine Yeah, like cars are the sapient creatures on the planet And but there are like animals. There are out there in nature. There's bugs and squirrels and Well, it really is begging It's it's begging a plot like prometheus where you wonder who came to this planet and sowed the seeds of sentient cars Maybe it was like a car cars of all the car god Maybe car gods were as eternal as the universe. Maybe they always were Maybe the great engine in the sky the eternal horsepower Maybe the great the great drive shaft that cranks the life of the universe In the realness of the universe. Yeah, man. The spirit of cars are just intrinsic to this planet Mm-hmm. It's it's it's it's fabric of the universe or something like that one of those things that people say Having having brought up a controversial subject, uh, how how much did you guys get upset by prime 11? No, for me. Okay Because 9-11 is not that good much or we're all pro 9-11 here. Yeah, Prometheus is much more controversial Yeah, Prometheus. I remember seeing that in the theater and it's one of those movies where like there's individual little things I like in it, but they're all just isolated things It's like the same way with interstellar Well, I This was this is one of the few movies There's a couple where like I don't like talking about them with most people because I know they're gonna like it And we're gonna get a fucking argument and like Prometheus was like one of the first ones where I saw it in theaters and I was just Like legitimately offended at how bad it was. Yeah, and then I had to like go around to my friends and they're like Oh, it's great. Have you seen Prometheus and it's just like oh, dude Prometheus was um A movie where I was noticing problems, but I kept like reassuring myself that for every individual problem I found that was just one in a fine movie You know, yeah, and then I thought about it. I was like wait, what do I even like and I was like Fuck all basically. Yeah the one the one thing about Prometheus I like is like the The the idea of like having some creator aliens you have to go find that's kind of a cool plot But I mean nothing else Well, that's the first minute That's the first minute of the movie. Yeah Carnage is a far better Marvel villain of 2021 man It's carnage. You're gonna be good. What do you reckon? Is he gonna be is he gonna be our steppenwolf? Maybe yeah, maybe no Is that still the current? Is he still currently somehow the top dceu villain? Um No, or is that ocean mass pitch, right? I like staro more Well, I was gonna say wouldn't think you're in staro Because my brain didn't even think about having the suicide squad being in the dcu because it's like just really great things in there So it can't be in the dcu. That's just that's not right. I'm possible It's not possible That's not true That's impossible Bucky's robo arm is cooler Uh than the rings. Yeah, I agree It's just a robo arm. It's not even like doesn't really do anything other than is an arm that is strong Arm and be robotic. Yeah There's an arm that is strong A single ring and they put finger in brackets Oof can bring the heat of the core of a star All 10 rings can make you punch really hard Well, I mean that's the difference between the finger rings and the arm rings, I guess Uh, what are your favorite video games and movie soundtracks also high rags? Should we do one? Hello? Sure, um, let me see My favorite, let's say video game soundtracks and film soundtracks pick one I guess Space jam Now a lot of this will be related to whether or not it's like look for instance. I love sue four As it's in sound terms of soundtrack, but that's like they it's a lot of classical pieces and things of that nature You know, it's not wasn't made for the game. So very homo erotic. Yeah Yeah, it is very homo erotic like most classical music is that's my fascination with it But let's say it's one of the like it needs to be composed for the game. It's not just like guys use songs from elsewhere Um, I might go I I know the witcher three is certainly up there. There's some really smooth tunes in that Oh halo though. It's got really great stuff throughout Um The lauris has got some sweet. So totally broken the point of this Yeah, oh, yeah, I got carried away. I got carried away And now you're not answering Oh, sorry. Oh wait, what's which one? Yeah, let's pick one. Just pick one. Oh, uh, witcher three And movie fellowship of the ring I mean you probably could have gone with Lord of the Rings, but um Oh, I guess we're busy. Yeah, Lord of the Rings in general. Yeah, but if I had to pick a specific one Any particular reason um Foundations of stone and the breaking of the fellowship Uh Are probably the two of my personal favorite bangers from that one But it's it's just I I probably think that it edges it out And for favorite, but they're all just so good. It's one of those. How can you possibly choose? That's fair Uh, we should go right to left then all so Bloodborne it's like one of my favorite soundtracks Excellent songs throughout that game And they're all made for the game, but then just souls born in general. They have really really good tracks True out as for movies Hmm, I could throw a curveball and say interstellar Well, man, it's got a great soundtrack. So I'm not sure that yeah Well, that could be a curveball for anybody who doesn't think that I would Say that I guess Yeah There's a lot of choices to make but yeah, those are just two I could go with for those Yeah, I will also add the caveat. Plenty of choices if you go for um halo Like yeah, that's a series that's bright music um Film, uh, you know, I'll go star wars as oldy, but a goodie Old saga or any particular movie wins out. Um, if I had to pick one it'd be revenge of the south There's so many good tracks Well, there we go. Do me. You're next Uh for movie for movie, I would say space jam or amadeus The two movies that have a lot in common. It's just it just sounds funny Amadeus had space jab Very well, I mean They're both very reputable films All right, what about games for video game I would say A game that no one is going to know called luffy a two It's a super nintendo game that I just am very nostalgic for I love the music and I've heard of it not played it, huh? I think mel might have played it Um, yeah, there you go I kind of left out choices that felt like cheating like if I said oh super smash brothers like well, that's not fair That's just like all the music from all the games no Oh, maniacal foreigner recognized it luffy a two ost correct. Yeah, excellent I'm sorry, but my five foot seven hundred and thirty pound rear is getting folded like a lawn chair by mike tyson Okay I'm gonna give an honorable mention to animal crossing wild world I guess I really I don't know crossing has we can't do honorable mentions will be here forever Yeah, we you guys can just not give honorable mentions we can carry on By just I think that this there's a lot of simplicity to a lot of the animal crossing just agreed with what I said Well, no, that's fine. Um, and so I by the way, uh, I heard that some of the animal crossing tracks Were inspired some of them heavily from a band called yellow magic orchestra Uh, japanese band and I listened to some of their stuff and there's some pretty distinct influences that you can hear But animal crossings got some great mood music Especially when you get into the later parts of the night and it's a lot more calm and It has everything from peppy stuff. And I think that the wild world The theme song like the menu is just it's a really gorgeous song Uh, and this one was from the ds So I I have to actually change my vote to minecraft minecraft soundtrack is oh, you're actually right fat choice Yeah, I just I just realized we missed we missed out on that Yeah, the minecraft soundtrack is like legitimately the main reason I play the game So we haven't missed out on anything you could only name one What if by that logic we missed out on forget I I I'm lost. Yeah, because we could we could talk about that for ages I was gonna say like as we're all aware there are incredible amounts of incredible soundtracks through and all kinds of films and games. I Lose my mind here. It's fine. I also I mean If you can miss that if you want Um See, I guess the the point we made there was the If mike tyson was going to fight the second best fighter in the world or a randy who has no experience Like yeah, mike tyson's going to annihilate the randy And it's like well, no, but the randy might you know, do something unexpected Think good luck. I guess Um, was it shad or Skelthar Shad or Skelthar that said luck is a very real thing Skelthar who the fuck is Skelthar? Let me check Skelthar I just don't remember having Skelthar on if uh I I don't know Is this is this um This is this uh Skelthar here. Is that the Is that Skelthar? I don't recognize him if he's come on e-fat before but hey, well, he's Skelthar of dream goo 4 Um is apparently but I yeah, I don't Um, yeah, I don't know. Was it shadow Skelthar that said luck is a very real thing Like even a peasant with a pitchfork can get lucky against a knight in a full plate That's something that we would never deny that that's possible Yeah, it is There's no law of the universe That would prevent that from happening However Dot dot dot I know a good example in edge of tomorrow where Tom Cruise has beaten up like a whole group of 304 guys because he knows exactly where they're gonna throw their punches and stuff Um, I'm obviously that's specific to time travel But at the same time like the it means the theoretically you could pull it off, you know It's gonna be really hard though Have you seen videos of like where um Three people there was a video I saw recently where three people are breaking into a guy's house And like one of them is already searching for stuff the other one's only halfway through the door and there's one outside He like punches the one who's searching for stuff and he's like disoriented Then the other one comes in to be like no, what? I think like punches him twice gets punched punches him again Then the initial guy punches him again as he's getting Up to date and the third guy comes in with what's going on then punches him and then the three of them try to escape It's just like it was 1v3 technically, but you know it's that's how it could happen And good on him because he didn't get stolen from Do you guys eat mac and cheese with a fork or a spoon? Uh, I prefer fork Every spoon Okay, because I'm fork as well Um, I'm thinking about the the end game, you know The end game. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff that the fork can't help me out with at the end But then again, maybe you just have both of them because I Because like because someone someone asked me Which I prefer and I told them for Um, and then they showed me a picture of all the like velvita craft Market farms or whatever and annies. There's different brands and they're all they all have spoons on them And I was asked well, why do all the boxes show a spoon? And I say well I think it's just because a spoon because all of the spoons are being used to display the product And I said I think it's just because a spoon can hold more in any more presentable manner Which is best for you know advertising and the marketing of it being on the box Do you know that I wouldn't be surprised if a spork was a Pop is possibly popular for that. I don't know Yeah, um But I yeah, I Yeah I don't like the feeling of eat like my lips and tongue dragging over the spoon when I'm eating mac and cheese for some reason I just don't like that. I don't care for I'd rather just have a spoon Maybe it's because I don't want to have too much cheese by itself gathered I I like my mac and cheese with light cheese not heavy cheese. I'm I like more mac than cheese, you know ratio wise. Maybe that's the thing about it I mean, you don't have to drag your teeth across the spoon, right all the folk Well, not not teeth. It's like when you close your lips around the you know the the spoon Um, okay, I guess I think I know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just I don't know something about it I just I just don't really care for it I just thought maybe I'm not a cheesy guy like I don't like liquidy cheesy stuff Then I got a cheese tip is okay, but even then I don't know It's strange. Something about it. I don't know I will but I will say though that if the mac and cheese is shaped like superheroes It does objectively taste better Superheroes true. Yeah, what about alphabet? Alphabet um dinosaurs no too too educational Um, but the superhero thing by the way applies not just to shapes of superheroes, but to their logos as well All right, then um Wait maul, are you getting dumpstered right now in mario party? I never win this game It's like impossible the computer just never seems to fail. It grabs and drops grabs drops while I'm like Struggling to get the right fits. This is just I can't compete, you know But any any tapping a game oof I want to dominate You can rest assured of that Uh Yeah, um, okay every death that happens after the first game is joe's fault mark twain Oh, that's that's not I don't think doomer will understand that uh, well, he'll understand half of it I'm not I'm not tracking something about that statement Well mark twain said it. Uh, he was a big fan of the last of us one and two and he said that um The second game shows the every death that happens as a result of you know, the first game meaning all events ever at joe's fault Is um fair enough it's incisive commentary. I didn't agree with mark on that one, but that's fine Uh, why would you cover plinkets pt reviews on one six six? Oh, they really want us to do it Really want us to do it one six six. How many is that from now? We want one five five, right? So Yes They cover what? They want us to cover plinkets pt reviews at some point. Yeah See how they hold up, you know Don't worry. We're um, we're pretty big fans of our lamby and rags So it's not like we're actually hunting him down just some requests for this I I remember really enjoying them, but I think Especially the Revenge of the sith when I far remember correctly had some issues. That's the one that I think Would be the most interesting to cover because I think he got a little bit desperate to shuddle over it Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's what revenge of the sith. And by the way, you don't need to be desperate to shuddle over that film No, because none of the prequels are good Dun dun dun However, they're not as good as the season's revenge of the sith is the best Do you say they're not as good as the sequels? Yeah, do you believe that or are you troubling? Do you really believe that? You will be punished Like I told you, I haven't even seen the last jedi. I've only seen your review of it and I don't even know what the third one's called Uh, do you know that sitch has said he might have changed his mind by now about the prequels and sequels Really? He was giving pretty time or a change again. He was pretty soft on his arguments I always his meteor arguments are strange, right? I'm calling you out sitch You may I had like a whole bunch in a row with him and adam and uh You know what stick to politics guys I That's true. We had a disagreement about muppets See you know what I mean? Are you pro or anti-muppets? I was firmly anti-muppets What? Why? I don't like Like all of them even gonzo and kermit and Kermit is kermit is okay. I don't like gonzo I can deal with kermit. Have you seen well? Have you seen muppets in space? No, because that's that's very heavily centered around gonzo. He's arguably the protagonist of muppets in space and I was Like I I don't know You'll be to watch muppets in space So we can see if I like a muppet willing to see space jam, but not muppets in space. What the fuck is wrong with you? Hey space jam one is um, whatever you say it'll apply to muppets in space By the way chat the only reason I mention this is because this pissed off their chat so badly When I shed on muppets the entire chat was like kick doom or bandoom For like 15 minutes is pretty funny. What have we got here? We got castigate this beastly degenerate. So yeah, it's generally positive So anyway, the great muppet wars Wait a minute. You guys telling me that mine come for wasn't a manga Then what was the anime based on? Um, that's I don't I don't want to tell you man. It's just fan fiction. Yeah So what's your take on space jam one? I remember liking it, but I I don't know how much it's gonna hold up mechanically I'd talk the shit out. I don't know if you will. I mean that that goes without saying Yeah, I that's that's one of those movies where I'm tempted to say like I don't think objectively it's good, but I kind of like it I'm pretty sure that I like it. Yeah, I doubt if I rewatch that I'm gonna have fun memories of when I watched it as a kid and and it's all very like wholesome and silly Yeah, it's it's a very difficult movie to take seriously. I think I was kind of I was kind of wondering The new one's much more like Commercialized in a strange sense even though the first one sort of is too, but it just feels much like the creativity Has been sapped out of it from what I've seen Yeah, I the only the only coverage of station 2 I saw was like some youtube review of it. It was really really hostile So why messes probably probably not very good. Yeah, it was probably why I'm why I was fucking hated it You can tell you're struggling to contain himself Yeah, you guys punch the child again super super cringe So I'm wondering with um the way that you look at movies How do you evaluate comedies because in a comedy often like whether or not things make sense? Isn't I guess as important as in like a drama or something like that Um, I think you could still easily break down characters for consistency in comedies as well as um, oh, sure I think that there's a there's a skill to jokes as well You can argue for layers or whatever else and then some jokes can actually like Full flat or be not fucking like literally like they they fucking screwed up their understanding of the joke or whatever Versus ones that are like really complex Um, so there's things to talk about but it can be complicated. Yeah What do you think about tropic thunder? I adore that movie Yeah, it's in my top 25. I legitimately love it. I should rewatched it recently and I was actually More impressed. I think it went up in my estimation compared to what it was last I last I saw it. Yeah, here's here's a hot take chat. Ben Stiller is a very good screenwriter I mean it actually blows my mind that he wrote that just like it's it's not Like it's not bullshit the movie. I mean Yeah, and he also wrote zoolander if I recall correctly and zoolander also had pretty good writing I mean, it's really good character writing in tropic thunder too. It's not just like bullshit people just there to Facilitate like other jokes. They're all going on I feel like they represent some of the like the largest stereotypes of like actors working in hollywood and the journeys They're going through as a result of their careers falling apart Yeah, it's really cool to break it down. It's a shockingly. It's a shockingly good movie It doesn't seem like it would be but Yeah, because there's loads of really crude humor at it But uh, you know, because I can put people off completely. I think which is fair. I just you know Yeah, I would understand that I had uh, I had such a weird experience I have a a family member who's like very christian and he asked me for like movie recommendations That would be family friendly and like out of my folder of 250 movies. I think I came up with like 11 That weren't that weren't like violent or profane. I was like Filled with such a like a violent medium It's it's hard to find a movie that isn't like a ton of swearing or like a bunch of people Just tell them to be specific say more or less gory and violent than the bible Good good point It's weird that disney keeps trying to appeal to china but this and mulan they keep half Half-assing though woosier and jinjaya elements I am yeah. Yeah, I'm definitely pronouncing all that wrong Uh, they should go full out What if they lose their market when they do that? Just woke up for day three of my makes 21st bender in waga waga Can't listen now, but looking forward to listening on the drive home All right Many bows you're being a dick um Mola this city level Super feet is too strong for my suspension of disbelief marvel comics nervously hides In entities who transcend people like galactus and thanos the point of regarding them as fiction A little bit lost Part of being good is learning to not be predictable huge flaw with that in any given activity or to achieve a certain goal there will be A small set of optimal moves Watch pros starcraft 2 the variation and initial moves are immensely small most of the time Deviating from them is so unwise that people don't even have plans on what to do if their opponent doesn't make those moves and they're not countered By default by the standard moves It's still stupid to assume that an unskilled fighter can beat a skilled one as that one expected move Must be lethal otherwise. Oh, wow. You did something. I didn't expect and now my arm is cut too bad You're now off balance and I can just kill you There's a lot of this probably has to do with like the fact that in starcraft Like you can't just react to things in the same way you react to things in real life things take some level of planning and progression and You you try to prepare for things It's it's not as like reactive in the same way as in like a shooter or something Where you can just totally change your positioning and your character's location on the map and aim at different things It's just different Was that into a play to movies at all? right So this came from this came from rag saying that um isn't part of learning to be like It was the whole like um unpredictability can win and then you said something like uh isn't learning the skill Part of that is to be unpredictable to like defeat your opponent and then this person's saying With something like pro starcraft 2 there are like a bazillion moves at the beginning of the game that everyone does And if you deviate from it, it's going to have a major cost for you later on or something like that Yeah, early game for starcraft 2 is like it's like a solved game in a sense when it comes to how to start What to do the most efficient way to get to certain points and then it deviates from there Uh, even as just a person who just casually plays a game against bots It's just yeah early game is I assume what rags is appealing to is a sense of to simplify this fully I'm gonna strike my sword at his His neck on the left But I'm gonna want him to not be able to block it So I got to make him expect me to go a different place and then I'll go for that place thus I am unpredictable And I will use my skill to achieve such things I mean this is in this is more to how the the idea of fainting Yeah, um, you want to if you fall for a faint to your left open So, I mean it's just like that in real sword combat how you want to you don't want to telegraph your maneuvers You want to try and catch your opponent off guard? So he does something that you're not expecting because you know People are not perfectly um Like they don't have perfect reflexes and objects can't move without That objects have momentum and it takes time and you want to create gaps Um Tldr, it's hard to be unpredictable when you're good at something because there are only a minuscule number of variations The best way to do something compared to the total number of ways a thing can be done. Um, again, though Still in those situations, you're trying to Defeat your opponent. I mean, they're going to be games with the opponent Uh Figures out how you're beating them too late. Like that's how you beat them Yeah, and it depends on what you're doing because like some like I I can't imagine this could even apply to something like chess Like a grand master will just Like for a game that is as structured and studied as chess the idea that some grand master Mega poo ball water buffalo could ever potentially lose to just some person who Barely even knows the rules Like it would have to be something that isn't even in the game For that to happen It's it's way worse than that if you if you have like an international chess tournament of The best chess players in the world like the best person in the tournament Is basically never going to lose to anyone but like the five to ten people after them You know, there's like 200 people in the tournament and a hundred of them are completely incapable of ever beating The first player and these are chess grand masters. You know, you play a randy. Yeah It's like so far outside of the realm of possibility and isn't um part of this Like with chess especially is the Like more than half the pieces will remain and randy's, you know, we're observing it and then one of them is just like Makes one move and he goes, ah, fuck and it's all over because they already know exactly how the whole rest of the game is going to go We're just like, oh It's over. Okay there is there's a controversial scene and um There's a controversial scene in star trek the next generation where troi beats data at a game of chess And you're like, how could you possibly beat data at chess? He's an android his computation power is insane like how could a person constantly Wait, wasn't that like a big uh Over thing that we overcame though with like artificial intelligence that for a long time It couldn't beat the best people at chess and now it can So depends on when this came out, right? Maybe a computer could be beating the chess. Well, no Star Trek hasn't said our present day Yeah, I don't even know how I like just rags finish up the thing That it's like with data's computation power and the fact that chess is structured in a way where there is a There is a legitimate limit like if a computer can know In ways that right every possible way Yeah, every possible way that and then if something happened it's like 70,000 steps in advance Yeah And now it's thematically there's a purpose to it, but it's one of those like, uh, you should be able Um Kind of like when norm mcdonald said sarah so Soy vermin, uh my thought on this movie is basically sounds like some chinese kami gobbledygook I what shang chi I was gonna say like I don't the movie doesn't come close to anything like that Yeah, I don't know where that came from Wow, uh, someone someone just linked me this Right And this came out october 1st Uh toxic game of culture enters the classroom So it's a presentation. It's an hour long likes and dislikes have been disabled and I'm like, huh So, okay, let me okay. Let me go to the channel and see which other ones are blocked They are Some of them are blocked in terms of likes dislikes. Some of them are not. Let me uh, let me let here's just this is just what pops up When you go to the channel Some of these you're allowed to rate and some of these you are not You cannot you cannot like or dislike blocked games in review or some of these other ones, uh but Some of these you can like tackling cheating and gaming. That's a 27 percent Maybe it's because it follows one that they weren't allowed to rate which happens sometimes, but Uh, oh like how do you Like I don't know anything about how cheats work on a technical level, but I'm like, surely I could give a presentation That gets better than a 27 percent And 27 percent is really bad. I'm not sure I've ever seen it That's like when you see a trailer for something everyone's going to hate and like they Like hate like dislike bomb it outside of that. I don't think I've ever seen Let me check the comments like rating that comments disabled on the uh black games in review comments disabled Building pipeline to find grow and retain diverse talent like dislike disabled comments are turned off. Okay Uh, huh What a bunch of fucking cowards Can't take criticism On another later note, what if still sucks and it looks like they're opening the door for it to become canon with the mcu timeline that we have I mean technically speaking it is already canon in terms of like Everything happens Yeah, like whatever You don't fucking be nothing no more Here's a tip for putting the start of the resident evil arc at my birthday you massives. Oh, no problem directly intended EFAP animu bad. Uhu. You guys realize that most writing is bad, right? Anime are mostly straight adaptations adaptations of popular manga and light novels And as you've seen with marvel popularity is no guarantee of quality and if you've read most western comics, you know that writing isn't The isn't exactly the best If you take a random piece of literature, it's likely to be bad. I don't think anyone is saying that anime is well written It's like saying all westerns are bad or all live action is bad or all serialized tv is bad It's a blanket announcement And there will be many counter examples. Anyway, stop saying anime is categorically bad or just clarify a statement So you aren't saying something akin to all hollywood movies are bad so I don't think that any of us have ever said that all anime is categorically bad I haven't I did um, but the thing is like The commentary is lacking anyway because um anime what I will maintain forever is anime gets away with shit that none of the other Examples do And that has nothing to do with whether yeah, like there's plenty of examples of that And so like it's it's skewed for anime now It means that what's celebrated in like western stuff in terms of like what's good It's like you'll really find the greats of western being like suffering from majorly bad Like anime like dialogue, but loads of great anime is shit. I'm what I mean by that is like the stuff people hold up It's gonna be because of the fact that like a lot of stuff gets excused literally because anime. It's fine Like and the recent example we had was a stupid fucking parasol lightsaber thing It keeps happening where if you do take a thing that was dumb Like in rebels, right? I haven't seen rebels and I don't even know if it's canon. Is it? It is definitely canon. Okay. Well regardless Fuck I don't even know what I'm supposed to do in this um Whether or not it's canon like the the the lightsaber flying thing with the helicopter blade like we all laughed at it Everyone did it's like. Yeah. Yeah. How dumb is that? We all agree and then anime do it It's like well stylistically. I think it works, you know, I like it because it's like for fuck's sake You guys are so predictable It's like it was cool because the guys were like a black cloak I always thought it was partially because of the need for serialization like You know, you have a movie and people spend two three years working on two hours And you know, they you have a tv show and it's like, okay Well, we spend one year working on you know, let's say eight hours of material But with a lot of anime it's running like a year around. So, you know, you have A lot of times the production pipeline is just so short. You don't have the time to Make a product that would be as polished as it would be in other mediums. I always figured that's why That's of your own making because I don't know. That's just how the industry works. So you chose to do that Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not absolving it. I'm not like a huge. Oh, yeah. Yeah, sure. It's just that was always Yeah Also someone said who's you guys all the people it applies to that's who you guys is um And yeah, I don't say that all anime is bad I just say that it suffers from major tropes and it doesn't it suffers as well because not enough criticism comes in for a lot of things that it does Including but not limited to really shitty dialogue Yeah In western media, it's all basically agreed like yeah, that was shitty dialogue when it comes to anime It's like oh, so a character can't explain how they feel Oh, it is just yeah anime gets shockingly different standards This was an argument I had with sitch. Sitch was like chewing me out for not liking anime enough Oh, you're in good company It needs to be better than Uh We get shout on constantly for out of a takes but like it doesn't bother me I defend good anime and I shit on bad anime. It's simple that We're one punch, man But one punch man is up to you. It's good shit after my brotherhood. It's good shit Yeah, I legitimately like some animes the problem is like a lot of the animes I like are 20 plus years old at this point and they're very few and far between and a lot of the stuff that I've seen Is just like I don't even want to touch it I feel as tight for my favorite movie and it's 33 years old Some yeah, some of that old anime was like just I I'm just stylistically and artistically it is stunning Incredible stuff But man that's I stuff this day these days. I just don't I mean even the stuff I like I understand that Like there's there's a lot of this Not perfect, but I I really appreciate some of the stuff in a lot of the older animes and I love me the Ghosts and the shells and things like that, but I just feel like Nowadays things are so just stupid shitty And silly and pointless and annoying. I think that's a big thing for me. It's just how annoying It's just fucking annoying And yeah, and we've we've said many times that most writing is bad So I don't know why this person's asking us to say that too. Uh, that's one of the you know in you know Uh Abandoned, I'll hope you who enter here Masiata Agni Sparanza Voici Entrate abandoned. I'll hope all you who enter here, right and then from the Dante's Inferno, right? There needs to be a Above the gates of efap when you enter there needs to be like the three rules, you know like One most media is bad Two, we don't care if you like you just like that They just get these out of the way get the three black pills out of they swallow them at the beginning and come on in Just that's that's what it's all about. We're gonna wear it on our sleeve come inside. Let's have a chat Yeah, one of the rules is don't mention interstellar Oh, you can mention it So You gotta it's yeah, we it should be one of those just the the three golden rules of efap or the golden premises Or the something get out of the way. You'll just hate everything A lot of stuff I mean that's that's kind of correct a lot of stuff's really bad Most most things are bad It's it's shocking how few movies I watch where I feel like I would feel good about good about having put that out There's so many movies where it's like if this had my name on it. I would like I don't even know what I would do. I would feel a level of shame. I couldn't put two words Rags being honest for once on enemies and saying they're good ones. I've that's always been my position I love cowboy bebop and I like the ghost and the shell stuff a whole bunch. I've really liked samurai champloo I really like um What is it a full metal alchemist there there is Stuff that I really like but like I said most of it's like 20 years old at this point I was gonna say the many times you've told people which ones you like and what things you have irl collected or have related to anime If ever they got confused and said, why do you say all anime shit? I'm always sitting there like So hashtag not all anime hashtag gotta be Yeah, but like it's all yeah, that's why I say it's just all garbage It's the vast majority that I've seen has been like wretched Uh, I have no interest at all and even exploring anime further as a genre honestly I'll just like my three four good things from 20 years ago And um that will be that and I'll go do other things and not give a shit about anime So hopefully that That erases any confusion Hopefully it won't do this to speak on anime the same way we have this whole time Yeah, maybe the more times we talk about it We'll just get more and more efficient at talking about it and it'll take us merely seconds in the future to explain our position thoroughly Give us some examples of a terrible anime. Uh, if we're talking about five and below have to have the last Airbender fucking bite me Eat my ass Oh, that yes, that's one of our I was about to make a joke like it coming right at threads I was like, oh, who am I kidding? This thread at friends are not regardless I don't I don't care anymore. It's it's war. I don't fucking care anymore get over it. You don't like oppa Well the correct take would be oppa iro and um Try to think of who else I would say that's not anime. Yeah, it is fuck off I mean the definition of anime there's a video I watched about the definition of anime It's really funny because it just like cycles through all the things And then which ones don't and do qualify and how none of it really makes any sense So it said bra avatars a cartoon What Cartoons, what do you mean? fucking ghost in the shell It's it's all uh This is second gig. It's uh, it's a fucking cartoon, man We generally don't call that out and call it that out of belittlement Uh Because connotation wise, but it it is. No, of course not. I love there's a lot of cartoons. I love You know, you know, it has this guy I don't say they're correct or not, but there's an aspect of if you call anime a cartoon Do people give that associate that negative connotations, but it is what it is. That's what it is It's all animation the animation is the anime genre that includes all of this anime Western cartoons It's it's all animation. It's it's a big happy family if western If western cartoons had it like a name in the same way that anime has a name, we would just call it that I just i'm not aware of the name They're just yeah, we generally yeah But then this is one of those things where it's like guys cartoons should not be considered like some kind of derogatory term Like no if anybody immediately associates cartoon with something derogatory That's a that's a you probably need to fix because cartoons God damn a cartoon super valuable in terms of media fucking love cartoons I do absolutely. I adore cartoons. I really love cartoons. I love me some cartoons In fact, I I have a super I might even say I there's the part of me that really is like, oh, thank god a cartoon Like I it's just like refreshing sometimes to be like, oh sweet We get something that's purely like stylized in its own magical way and it's like, yeah, let's see how this one's gonna work out I'm I'm big on it. Well, I mean I just I I really like the exaggerated Sort of comical. Well, I mean the actually no, I don't want to box it in that much because cartoons has such a wide gamut to things that it covers I just find it to be a really valuable way of interpreting reality because it is very much It's it's about taking things that are real and presenting them in ways that are just um either slightly different fundamentally different Totally different. Yeah Well, you know what kind of anime I'm referring to no I So this is the thing it reminds me of some of the other conversations we had I'm having where someone was like No avatar cannot be an adult. I should be like, okay. It really like I don't really care either. Well, it's just Yeah, like it doesn't yeah. Yeah, and you know our stances on genres It's one of just I just I don't have very much of an interest at all when we get into genre talk It very much starts to be I just I don't care for it other than a very casual mention for the most part Uh So Anyway Ever play as a cleric in ds1, I think I gave that a shot. Yeah I did a couple of runs Like a year or two ago, or I was just interested in seeing what other options they were They all yield different results Um, can only assume the type of kung fu they learn Activates different aspects of the rings, but they never explain it and shang chi masters it I was gonna say when is that in the movie at all? Like the if you learn kung fu the rings will activate What I haven't I haven't seen I haven't seen the movie But after hearing you guys talk about it and after the last e-fap we did on it No one ever mentioned something like that what you think would would come up pop up Yeah, because that could be a really nifty how the how the styles that well, it's weird that in shang chi I was thinking what the movie would be is a really wonderfully choreographed and stylized homage to either like chopsocky movies Or those um, what what are they called the crouching tiger hidden dragon style movies? Um Uh, like it's like it's like yeah, yeah, they have I think there's a name for that genre of almost like Just unrealistic fighting where people flip and fly around and float um Maybe someone wuxia wuxia wuxia wuxia I don't know how to pronounce it But uh, yeah, some like, you know like that like the filmmakers who did shang chi Like I'm so passionate about these kinds of movies And I really want to incorporate so much of that style and aesthetic into shang chi, but I guess I didn't so All right, well the the kung fu The kung fu thing is unfalsifiable because everybody that um wenwu fights also uses kung fu Like how would it be kung fu that like takes the rings? I don't know I don't know I don't know why the rings would You know have some kind of bias toward that. I don't see why or how yeah I mean what we wouldn't know so don't I think about the origin of the rings or how they work? Um You're fighting to watch everyone you love die again. Think when we think I mean if we're talking about when he's he's breaching the wall and the demons are coming out It's like what can you what can you do? Can you say? He's he's under the influence of a cthulhu monster at that point All right Yeah He just wants his wife back I mean like think of karate kid And because I I've never actually seen it sitting down from beginning to end But from all the stuff that I've seen of it the relationship between Help me out with the names our protagonist and um His mentor right like there's like is any other is there anything like that in Like a lot of modern marvel stuff. I don't like that. I feel like kung fu is a great way like learning Martial arts and all that it embodies in terms of discipline and control and practice and training And you know mastering oneself and all that all that you know good stuff with training stuff It just doesn't happen anymore does it? I mean, yeah, I mean he just he gets the rings and he beats the guy who's at it for a thousand years so Well, he's had one one scene retrained with the the sister of his mom for five seconds He learned about wind We just the same thing in star wars, right people just know how to do stuff and you never like see the training really It's like it's almost like new writers see that shit is getting in the way They're like boring when it gets to the giant jagged dragon sucking the soul out of the other dragon I mean it's not it's character development. It's not boring It's like crucial to the movie making sense There is no human. There is only goo Is this true for me? Oh, he's me We'll never know An australian and a human when will the contradictions end frongo? Look, you can believe whatever you want I mean that wasn't really an answer you kind of evaded the question, but okay Okay, sure. You can you can believe that it's an evasion all you want I'm busy working on my comic. I can't let these negativity bring me down these negativity Yes, these negativity Sounds just like nonsense mushrooms, and I just don't believe in it Okay, like I said, that's entirely your right What does that sound like and here's a tap or something in the background It's like raining Maybe it's raining you hear that It's definitely from rags. Okay. Yeah, it's going green What is what is the noise? What's going on there? Do you just get up and take a bath or something you could be peeing? I don't know But how could we hear it though? Well, we could hear it earlier when he was getting up and like making sandwiches We could hear him walking around maybe he's making some very sandwiches that are just Loud sandwiches Don't say that I checked in a panic whether there were e-muse outside and they're not Clipping nails. No, that's me. I do that I don't think it's been going on for a while. I could have really long bladed Well, but the problem is it sounds trickly like long trickle Yeah, you know like it's not coming out all at once Yeah, I couldn't do that even if I tried I'm back. I just I had to step out with the Yeah, oh no, by the way, that's not that's not me pissing. Uh, there was uh, I have a leak Oh, it is it is rained. Uh, yeah, it there's a leak over in the the kitchen back there And it has been raining A crap we haven't had rain in a long time and the sky has been opening up today with rain So I have been I I I put underneath it. So yeah, we were trying to figure out what was happening there Oh, no, no, no, I uh Um, no quite the flexing mystery Yeah, I suppose it's fair enough. I don't know what it sounds like from y'all's perspective But it sounded like weird dripping but now that you've said that that's what it is It makes total sense like yeah, it was it was thundering a little bit earlier But really it's just been rain rain rain all day. It's been rain It rained a little bit yesterday, but it has been pouring today outside So I have something on me to do. Let's like I don't let them know about the link in the roof So Well, you have to do less. Wow I have yeah, I have to uh, tell them there's a leak in the roof and I need to fix it. So one of them they're adults Yeah Or maybe I can ignore it and it'll just go away Um also hi rags Hello to you kick j don bless etc. Etc. Australia isn't real fringy thoughts on Oh On nothing. Yeah, they just asked thoughts on I had no thoughts at the moment. I'm just Chilling out there you go If I'm thinking I want I want food, but that's that's that's okay. I won't I'll I'll squish that one down If halo's good, what was truth's plan? He knew what the rings did. Why did the Covenant civil war I'm sorry. I'm a separate question at this point Why did the Covenant civil war just before they won the war the foreign has preserved the flood high charity was op flood just had pelican man, that's a bit So it's a it's a little difficult really like yeah, or Yeah, I can indeed if you want to tackle it piece by piece Here she is before run a cup the the covenants if halo is good. What was truth's plan? You knew what the rings did. Yeah, his plan was to activate the rings Yeah, start the great journey. Basically. Yeah That's been the goal of the covenant religion for that's the goal of the Well, it's a little complicated right because there is an awareness that humans are actually like Once you can activate rings and that that's not something that But I mean, it's pretty safe to say that like basically by Like halo three truth is kind of losing the plot What the fuck is wallow each doing? A lot of it is about what is he doing? He knew the earrings did why did the covenant civil war So the main thing is like that what specifically truth wanted was that he wanted to have like Basically be like a god that was like his main goal Or to like attain some level of of uh, like a daddy like figure basically by activating the rings And also you don't you don't just get to him. It's you go. He won Oh, well, I'm just saying like what Like whatever that means to him or why he would think that that would do it Like he knows it'll kill him sure but like people do things like that. That's not that's not good enough counter Because yeah, maybe he does know that But that that's not necessarily enough to stop you if you've got other goals in mind um And uh, this the next part about why did the I assume why did the covenant? Well, the civil war happened because the brutes betrayed the elites That like what is it? It's it's disconnected from the Yeah, you had you kind of had two things Simultaneously, yeah, you had why are learning about Arbiter learns that the prophets have been lying Uh, which is a big deal. It's going to be a very big deal Uh And you have the brutes entering into the equation those things mix and you don't like get to choose when you have a civil war You know, especially because there was a fracturing in the covenant because the uh, the the prophets didn't think that the elites were in a position to Continue like protecting uh them so they switched over to the brutes And then like the brutes kind of opportunistically used it as an opportunity to Assert themselves as basically like the second in the hierarchy That lined up with their internal conflict And if there was going to be strife now is the time when they're about to go on the great journey Like this is the time for this sort of stripe to happen especially if you as a big species believe That this is like basically a divine thing that's about to happen You want to be like the the ones who leave them into, you know, the divine beyond it's it's skin if you're And if you're the elites right and you are going to be essentially civil warring against the covenant as a whole And you're going to say all right, we're not going to you know fight these human guys anymore They're like think of the tactical opportunism that goes into that Exactly like why would you wait and fight against the humans and kill them and go through all of that and then After that deal with like that just you know, there's there's a lot of tactical sense that goes into that as well Um the forerunners preserve the flood. I'm pretty sure that there is like references I just don't have them on hand at the moment as to why that was the case Um because I remember specifically that there was like different developments on uh on the the fifth ring Uh or delta halo that they visit in halo two were like in that place The infestation was like completely out of control and they had gained some level of control over the uh the ai there But I would need better references high charity was op. I don't know what that means overpowered not wasn't it got destroyed Yeah, it's kind of hard for me to even understand the flood or op but that's kind of the point Well, yeah, the flood are definitely op but that yeah, that's the idea There are things in nature that are overpowered I mean, that's like saying the reproach master op is like. Yeah, it's like that's kind of yeah All righty Fringy is actually a proboscis proboscis proboscis monkey and it's the elongated mask for his enormous schnozzle That's not true. It's just a lie propagated by the media which part The what is the function elongated schnozzle What is the function of the big poke nose thing? That's where you put little herbs on the bottom at the end there to protect you from the illness That's why the plague doctors did that. Yeah, Fringy doesn't know that medicine has come a long way since then Sure, but I mean Just because something has overstayed its usefulness like in terms of being replaced doesn't mean that we get rid of it as a function of something At least not necessarily So why did you keep it now? You're all quiet. I like it. I like the aesthetic. You know, no, no, I'm gonna let you know I'm gonna work. Why would I stop you? I was waiting for you to explain the second half. You never did What was the second half? So you said that it's not necessarily. So it's like, so what's this case then? I like it That's fair enough. Yeah, here we go. Here we go Fringy. I'm jacking your aesthetic Oh, oh boy Look, there's a mosque there Wow, it's not showing. Oh, no, no, no. Oh, look you go plague doctor mosque. Oh my goodness gracious Now you two have to fight for plague doctor supremacy. Mm-hmm No plague doctors this camaraderie, all right Yeah, is is there's honor between plague doctors. Yeah, exactly It's an honorable field you're a pack a pack of plague doctors a gaggle a group of plague doctors a gaggle Uh, I imagined you just call him a group of plague doctors A con uh a A conflagration of plague doctors. No, no, no, that's a hard player. I like that is uh He's he's he's gatekeeping. That doesn't count. You've got a mask. Well, it is a masquerade mask. You're right It's not an actual plague doctor mask the pretender Wow, and he tried to appeal to your sense of like unity as well there Fringy, but nope They booted out Fringy focused on physical features like a really big schnaz and that was able to completely fool them Wait, so am I this is cultural appropriation? Maybe wow, I don't know that plague doctors that it's not like a you know, it's it's Well, I guess life is culture. I was about to say like it's a way of life Unfortunately, unfortunately plague doctors are probably all white, which means that they are exempt from the uh rule of cultural appropriation I'll I'll put back on my eyes wide shut mask then Uh, which is the best performance for antly hopkins the father or silence the lambs It's not really fair to compare It's so different That's a weird comparison, but I would go silence the lambs. I mean, it was really weird though. I don't know Um, I don't know. Yeah I don't think I can pick between them because they achieve such hugely different fucking things at oof Yeah Just both tops. Yeah, they're both ask a worthy. What can I say? I don't know I mean they both accomplished their goal to a massive degree Yeah Very hard to pick one Lucky they didn't say gun to your head. Which one would you pick? So I don't have to answer Right because then that way, you know, you just have to choose or die I guess the essence of my answer was that like hand of electors a bit more complicated of a role I guess that's probably what would tip it for me. I'm not sure that would necessarily agree with that But really I guess if you're playing a character with selective memories are being removed over time I don't know that would be less complex than kind of elective I it's I guess you you could say that it's more abnormal like because there aren't many people like kind of elective Whereas, you know dementia is a it's like a thing that's you know happens A decent amount of the time Yeah, but if you're gonna get that broad you could just say there's loads of psychopaths in the world Well, sure. That's right. But I mean that's that's kind of what I'm getting at. I guess is that I don't know that it Super important Good day fringled Hey In episode three of my night. That's it. Yeah In episode three of the night mass when girl beckons boy to follow her at night the nearby water randomly flashes green Could it be a light that that reflects off the water or Yeah, maybe wow. Yeah, I don't know. I have to see it happen, right? Yeah, I mean unless it's a technical issue with camera work or something someone would have noticed that probably yeah Yeah, um, I'd have to see it again. Honestly, I'd have to see it again Rags why isn't a gay go-kart stop him Oreos and a gay go-kart stop him. That would be a hate crime Oh, I didn't mean stop him because it means you bet Oh, no So he's like beating the fuck out of me. I'm sad Fringy is actually oh wait. No, I've read that one already. Ask Duma to give his best fake real fake love Uh fake laugh Yeah, real. Oh man real fake laugh. Oh That's very punch to you. Yeah, I was I was kind of trying to do it on the days Oh I think three blue one brown and minute physics are on nebula for good stuff and legal legal too, I guess But he's not as quality I hope he has quality videos the one we saw wasn't very good But legal legal Yeah, fine. Oh, are they now? What are you a lawyer? No, I'm not wrecked I'm very much not a lawyer knew it. I knew you'd lied to us The first reason this is good is because I like it. Like, yeah, it's a great starting point for all videos. I guess That's when someone actually started a video that way Well, they all come down to that usually The arguments are very rarely any good, but they'll also say that that's what the reasoning is Yeah, that's That's part of why I wanted to talk to you guys is that it's so difficult to find people to talk to you about movies Where the conversation goes beyond that Because there's like so many different levels you could have a conversation about movies like the level zero is just What did I think of it? Right? And level one is like you have good You have a good understanding of your taste and you can explain why you had your experience And then level two is like the critics take it's like, okay Well, I understand what the audience generally would probably react to and why And then there's like the artist level of like, okay Well, I'm understanding what it's doing and how this could be applied to make better movies And you know, there's just so many different ways you could go with the conversation, but it really The vast majority of the time it really just comes down to well, I liked it Why didn't you like it? Okay, whatever and like that's just the entire conversation. So frustrating Like breakdown elements and stuff What do you think of the odds that don't stop me now will be in the mario trailer slash movie Also, hi ragu fragu and molu. Hello. Hey, hey I don't know what to expect From what we're gonna get The mario movie that'll eventually come out. I don't know. Oh, yeah You know what we're in for I mean, I would just write it off, but the lego movie exists. That was kind of good That was seen as bad for Chris familiar I'm gonna forget the other guy The two people directing the mario I don't think we know that yet Hey, I'm sure it'll be great Yeah, they positive everyone Um, got it. My this this this isn't gonna be a very satisfying minigame If all I have to do is just keep playing other minigames then buy all the best items. It's just like, uh You don't get any points for playing that seems to be the thing that you should probably give me That would that would make it more engaging Um You realize that nebula makes them more money, right? Oh Wow I guess so Did you know Did you know that? You know, of all the time I spent complaining about it mechanically and and Obstructively and then how it's like an ad It all makes sense now because like this whole time I thought like why is everyone making it harder for themselves for no reason at all Do you do you think that these youtubers might have done this advertisement in exchange for money? Wait, what are they doing? That doesn't make any sense. It could have been like maybe that's like if we that's our motive, I guess If it if that's the case But what you saying they they showed for noom for money not because of nooms incredible service I I don't know. It's I mean, I don't want to point fingers But I mean if they got potentially if they got like money in exchange for doing it that would be I mean, that's a reason to say I mean who knows what kinds of things about it. I mean I don't want to go too far with it because we're just dealing with rumors and speculation, but I don't know that I'd have to reevaluate my position now that I have been told it's possible. They did it in exchange for money Well, you know, you learn something new every day. Thank you very much for that Um, also, do you realize youtube has member exclusive videos as well? What in the I've You know never known that change Never knew that Like funny funsies aside. What does this person thinks that this person thinks that we don't know Why they were doing nebula when that's like the Most obvious like kindergarten level take of why it exists. Like why else would it fucking exist? Of course, that's the reason it exists Does anyone is anyone actually use the youtube like subscriber only feature or whatever like paywalling on youtube? Some people do I think I don't see why they wouldn't again because it makes the money So it's like, yeah, I can see why they might do it Yeah, well, I mean like I guess what I think is like, how would I even know like let's say like it Yeah Do they advertise it like hey, if you subscribe if you Join the channel, I guess then you get access to more videos. Would they say yes? That's how I do it Yeah, I just I guess yeah, never seen it somebody like special streams and then they'll make it member only You have to join in order to see it stuff like that. Yeah Uh, do more is legendary. Hey, there you go Oh, thank you. No more videos molly dance monkey dance. Oh my god Dance monkey dance rags is the true and honest hero of chat It is true Followed up by is this rag slow descent into alcoholism? My descent into alcoholism is not slow Super fast It it it arrives suddenly and without warning Why can't I have a game where I can fight against three Waluigi's? Why do I have to choose other characters? You could you could pay some of your some of your mates to um dress up for you and maybe you could Have a fight in the street Yeah, I mean all that's an option. Yeah Rags you're a pretty reliable source. I'm going to give you a bunch of words and you have to choose which one, okay So future sweet bowser toy rainbow pirate undersea Let's go with pirate. All right done and done Um When is more of playing lego lord the rings on stream and it's on steam at some point probably That's a game I could probably get away with without getting distracted too much. Be great Um marry fuck kill jay fringy metal Hmm I think I'm gonna abstain when it's about people Me too, sorry He sounds okay. Yeah, I can't let them I can't let them to find out about this the relationship I have with met I mean, I can't pick favorites. Yeah, very important Rags tell a joke How come you don't see many black people on cruise ships Uh-oh, um, how come they're not falling for that one again And this this says I now must say oh, I guess I should have specified a good joke Uh-huh See one thing I like about that one is it's actually not a racist joke um Well, it's one of those it's actually a joke that I um, I forget the name of the woman was she gone a huge amount of trouble for saying that um The something like I'm on my way to Africa um I'm worried about catching AIDS or something and then she followed up with saying, um Not actually I'm white Oh, yeah, and she got like fired for that. That was the first ever like But the idea with what she was saying from her pov was the Uh, black people aren't given the care they they'd need and deserve white people are or something like that Oh, okay. Yeah And so obviously a good joke Whole shoot all the way back around to that was incredibly fucking racist and she got canceled for it. And I was like, oh, shit. Okay Yes, that's thing one joke you say what you're a Decade worth of work a lifetime of effort and you tell one joke Fucking insane And you're yeeted uh best film I've seen in 2021 is pig It's a Nicholas Cage movie. I think I've not seen it, but I wouldn't mind having a look at it at some point I've heard moderately good reviews um I just thought how marvel could undo their bad content content in a comic dead pool obtains a seventh infinity stone and altars continuity and canon thoughts Give dead pool all the infinity stones. He detonates the entire universe. Just it just it's gone. It's all like that. Yeah He would be he he understands that it's worthwhile to do because he could see the world in a meadow way He knows what you can have him do a big speech just going over how nothing Everything in it all of it makes no sense And he's been keeping an eye on it and this getting ridiculous His movie is supposed to be the one where silly shit happens. Not everyone's um Hi rags, please explain the difference between soggy saturated slimy and wet also happy 40th birthday metal So soggy saturated slimy and Wet wet So this is me operating on top of my head. So don't scrutinize too much um, I would say that soggy is when a Let's say soggy and saturated. So a saturated It refers to liquids So when a liquid I think is saturated, I think that means it has it is currently holding a it's like the maximum amount of like other material Like if like if you have water and you put salt or sugar in it It reaches a saturation point which is the max of How much it could hold and it can't get any more salty, you know And then it's super saturated when there's even more and it like settles at the bottom and stuff I think that's how it works Um, and maybe this applies to fluids in general Uh, but I think that's what it is. It's been a long time since science class. All right Um slimy I would say is something that is a a liquid But it is particularly viscous And that it is extremely it has a lot of stickiness and it's very um, it runs very slowly Uh an example would be um Like um a good example something slimy would be like, um, maybe Oh, it's a common example I don't know just like the ghost goo that you see in ghostbusters, you know, that's slimy, right? It's a liquid it will take the shape of its container And it kind of sticks to itself so you could put it between your fingers and open them up and it's connected by a strand Yeah, but it's not running like water. It doesn't just run off of you um so Wet is when water is on a surface or on an object that object is wet and has to at least a small degree It's either covered in water. I would probably say or has water about it um And when it comes to soggy This is the one I had to come back to so I think soggy is when a uh an object a solid object has soaked up A sufficient amount of liquid to where like the texture Of it changes because it has absorbed a lot of you know liquid inside of it And it can be expelled by squeezing so like a a sponge can get soggy your shoes can get soggy Uh things of that nature and so when you squeeze them both water will drip out the bottom But like a marble couldn't get soggy Yeah, a marble could not get soggy exactly in the same way that a A glass ball is harder than a rubber ball a rubber ball is more durable You cannot have a soggy marble. You can have a wet marble though But uh, I think it's a decent casual office. I think you did a great job Thank you. Thank you very much Um, who will we? Germany isn't landlocked and seafood is gross Yeah, Germany isn't landlocked, right? There's a little part at the top Is there I couldn't remember off the top And no, isn't like the whole top See or the what's it? I'm pretty in fact Yeah, I'm pretty sure Germany is like not very landlocked at all like it's got a decent sized Let me check. I'm not too Yeah, they got a decent amount of shoreline Up on the north part. Yeah Yeah, they do. Yeah. Yeah, I had I had no clue. I didn't say anything actually I knew I think I knew that But I just yeah, I just um Do not uh, do not have much memory off the top of my head when it comes to european geography Yeah, I know this. I know states far better than I know the like europe That was a really good take on seafood though I did I had an excellent take on seafood. Yeah While rags is wrong about seafood. He's right about christmas. Chris massives rise up Man, we're just having right on both counts So you get partial credit. Don't move halloween halloween is my birthday if you move it'll ruin it Wait your birthday, but halloween does move every year technically I think it's the same day But that or the date it's the same date which can fall on right. Yeah We want on the same day Yeah, some there are some holidays uh and such I think that are the you know Exed like a day of the month or whatever that is. That's pretty cool though to have a birthday on halloween It's spooky. Yeah, that is a nifty birthday Yeah Your mom got a really well You think she she think when she was giving birth she was like trick are you? I don't know maybe and then the doctors were like trick Because the kids like a parasite They did have to finish the procedure though because It's very important Thanksgiving is the patrician holiday What's the patrician again? Like a heist it generally it's it comes from the the social class in ancient Rome. He had plebians and patricians That's right. The patricians were like the upper class I see I think it's probably where we get like patron and stuff from if you are a patron you're like a patrician It comes probably the brood of it is probably the latin word for father Which is potter where we get things like paternity tests and patriotic sometime. That's right. Absolutely You have also that's where that's why some people say they refer to their mom and dad. They say m and p For mater and potter by the way, mater is in matricide. You know mattresses Where you fuck them. So there's all kinds of all kinds of stuff words My family has stuffing with sourdough bread chunks and ling linguine lingui lingui lingui L-i-n-g-u-i-c-a I don't think I've ever seen the word before Linguica linguica linguica, okay Linguig la john linguizama Sausage bits it's divine Sounded why don't you running in bad spaces? Oh wait switch with another person. That's fine um Good at rap prove it in jack box five mad verse city I don't think we ever played that also. There's a new jack box coming out soon It'll be interesting to see if they can have anything that competes with a garlic phone I doubt it though. Hopefully but I doubt it. Yeah Hey rags. Who's the better daddy wesker or elusive man? Wait elusive is spelled with an e, isn't it? No, I think this one might be ILL elusive is how he's spelled Oh, okay. Who's elusive, man? All right for mass effect. Yeah mass effect chain Yeah, he has the voice of the elusive man He's got that distinctly voice neat. Yeah, this is this is the This is from the uh, I double check to see which it was and that's the thing that pops up The elusive man is the elusive It's felt the other way Maybe maybe it's like illusory or something. Maybe it really is a different. Yeah I doubtful that they made that mistake. I guess Yeah Nobody corrected them I feel like modern by aware would make that mistake But elusive is actually a word it actually like I said illusory. It is a and it is a It means that deceptive or illusory But it is it is a thing Well, Luigi, if you don't win for me in the way I'm doing it. I don't have ramble Calling yourself the elusive man is like calling yourself the prince of lies. You know, it's like There was kind of called himself the prince of lies, right? Oh really? Yeah Well I don't know if it's real or not. That's the problem This is from something, but I don't know if that was based on something real Can you google prince of lies? See if it's relates to anything So the um, it's an it's a nickname for Satan I forget what the one for satan is uh I think it is for satan I think jesus tell uh tell it says the prince of lies, but satan doesn't call himself that I was I was sort of looking. Yeah, I'm looking for uh, and he is the father of lies The devil is the father of lies The the people who like choose it as a title. Yeah Yeah, they don't generally call themselves that so despite all the times where satan Told the truth when god was the one being deceptive and dare I say elusive. Uh, he is called the prince of lies So it is it is a little little confusing in the lore, but I'll let them sort that out They've had enough time. They should have an agreed-upon answer at this point. I'm sure All right, um, it's above is the prince of lies. Beelzebub is I'm pretty sure that's I think that might be the literal Hebrew for Beelzebub is the prince of lies Let me check. Um Beelzebub is a name derived from a Philistine god formally worshiped in ekran and later adopted da da So associated with the canon like god ball Beelzebub is another name for satan Um Yeah, I wonder I'll have to look it up later. Um prince of the devils Um Yeah, it's I guess depends on kind of the lore you read Very bad Beelzebub is no good No good. He's a big bad. You don't want to don't mess around without Beelzebub. Mm-hmm You'll get you you'll lie to you Well, nobody enjoys shooting penguins, but if you've got to shoot penguins you might as well enjoy it I assume you agree with that ring Wait, can you stand up one more time? Is I honestly, I know you so well that I think you I just know that your answer would be yes What is I don't know what the okay? I just cost myself ten coins for no reason at all. That was Wait, did I guess is it the bird bot of ice catrass that actually the episode that comes from? Uh, probably a Futurama, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it is. Wow. How did another episode title? That's great. Cause you're a nerd I am a nerd. We aren't we we we don't talk Favorite treehouse of our episode Um, I love the time traveling toaster set of three stories. I forget which the other two That's uh, number five halloween the treehouse is fucking excellent The ones hold on kids. I'm coming arrest you the lot of you Oh Yeah, that it's hard to choose between some of the classic era Halloween episodes are fucking amazing Do you have a favorite frame? Uh, that is my favorite is number five Um, it might be because I own season six on on dvd. So I rewatch that Fuck now i'm like getting nostalgic for the memories of just replaying episodes of that season of the simpsons When I was a young and I feel like I need to go back and rewatch them I watched some of the earlier simpsons somewhat recently like last year and it was incredibly good Yeah Oh, wait, did rags. Did you even answer the the question of who's the better daddy wesker or the elusive man elusive man? Oh, okay What's wrong with wesker? What you have I Well, the thing is I have a lot of I think that the elusive man I could trust far more to act both in his best interest and rationally Like there's an element of I can understand all the things that the elusive man does and why he does them with wesker He's clearly willing to not give a shit about the people close to him and he's kind of a psycho and he wants to Yeah, and he wants to yeah, he's he's a bit he goes a little bit nuts there's the end saturate the globe completely You went yeah, totally. Yeah, he wants to saturate the globe totally Uh, and that's that's all he wants to do while screaming Chris Just the fact that he's always screaming Chris Crack Just when he boosts out of the volcano That's right. Yeah I can listen to elusive man all day just talking about stuff I can listen to wesker Oh, yeah, I suppose that's true Oh We got another one straight away better daddy master chief or bowser Bowser, well, I mean master chief doesn't have any kids. It's so it's definitely bowser Oh, that has nothing to do with being a daddy. Well, that's that's true. But like bowser He does seem to actually be like a good dad Wait, wasn't wasn't there some parental neglect in super mario sunshine? I mean For you like as you've been we've been having all these conversations I was on a map where bowser was incinerating his children regularly for money I was just thinking about that little video and the nintendo released where he was doing the parental controls And he's like, oh, I'm gonna make sure that bowser jr. Has a balanced lifestyle Plays video games for You know, sometimes he burns them sometimes he puts on parental controls Well, wait, is that bowser jr. In this who who's in this game? Is it bowser jr? Or I've forgotten. I don't I don't mini bowser. I guess Well, mini bowser. Fuck is that it's bowser jr. But where's uh What else is in I don't know. I'm sorry. I just don't know um Possoms are the american kangaroo No, they're not we have possums here Why why would the possums in america be the kangaroo equivalent when we have possum equivalent here I don't I don't know. Don't possums have pouches though. That isn't a terrible comparison. I guess Yeah, but possums have pouches here too I gotta It would be like saying that a kangaroo and a possum are the same. It's like no, they're different animals. Like they're very different Uh, look up madame eyebrows one of the cutest puppers Never know to trust people who say to google things Yeah, look it up. Do your own research They went lying it is a dog Um, hey raggo. What gives you the zoomies the most? Oh Good puss. Oh, um When oh it would probably be Like giving like when I'm so being so excited and just the only way that you could you voice your excitement Is when you just run it around back and forth and you just can't contain yourself Oh, man. I don't know maybe Oh, is this it I'm Just elation of that degree um Oh, man. I don't know. I guess it's Like loosening up. Uh, well, no. Oh, man so many things, but the most it's tough to say um Sometimes when you just it's a lovely day outside And you feel like burning energy and you've been inside a while and you just want to let it all out You want to go to places and you want to see things and you want to do stuff And you got a trail and a mountain that you just want to climb and run until you just can't go Any further and you wear yourself out I think just the the open expanse of possibilities that is a gorgeous day outside and the great outdoors is One of those things that just it's just right, you know, it just feels right Man your answers were like on the opposite sides of a spectrum But um, you know, a lot of I think that's a lot of things give you the zoomies You'd understand in my position. It's just sometimes you just got to Oh, I gotta let it all out. I gotta just oh call myself down in a way. I'm so excited Pumpkins. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, pumpkins are great Um, no that gadel request was a legit quote. I even added a timestamp so you can find it You were saying it genuinely about the um the cinema wins thing presumably Um Also, you didn't add it to the notepad Um, so when I'm playing the video game, that's a Capture of not the screen but the game so you can't see what I'm writing right now on gadel notes He terrified I could be writing anything about you chat Just trying to chat gay They don't even know Will they be a james bond arc I mean, I don't see why not It's gonna depend on these lads here if they're interested Um, yeah, I'm I'm somewhat interested but not like uh So interested that it would be a priority. There are other arcs that I think I would rather embark on Hmm What is your most uh invested and want want to do off right now? I'm the problem is like I don't want you to because I'm I'm blank at the moment my brain's on Um, I don't want you to list the ones that have been proposed to it would be too spoilery to chat Um No, I'll keep that one to myself actually if it happens to me, which it's not at the moment very well Um The rags revolution has begun rise up and overthrow the oppressive long man in the plague doctor also high rags Hello to you. I would rags when I overthrow us in the mix Oh wow, thanks No, I'm just kidding, but I don't it's not it's not oppressive at all Yeah, we're very we're very nice and friendly and and and rags is welcome to sit in his pumpkin do whatever he wants Sitch has the story of meeting quintin at VidCon and quintin abruptly ended the conversation after him looking up his channel on his phone Yeah, that's kind of a lot of what I'm basing what I've said on oh my god Not to mention the stuff that you're kidding me Yeah, apparently the way that sitch tells it was that they were just chatting about things and then he Sitch had said what his channel was he was literally looking on the phone as they were speaking and then he just turned around and walked off Are you dude? Because apparently he would have spotted that he was uh would have he made like you could probably I guess put sitch into the category of anti sjw if you looked at A selection and quintin was like done with with those people, you know I think he owns that right Yeah, well quintin. He's proud of it. I'd say No, I mean I mean uh sitch I don't know. I didn't want to speak too too soon with that I'm not sure because I fucking I'm pretty sure sitch and adam is similar with us with like keep labels away from me Or maybe not actually who knows Yeah, and quintin's like on the uh, yeah, okay. I understand um What's fringy's goo but a mystery box? Oh Um, well, I mean there are things in life that are mystery boxes, but there's a difference between a mystery box and real life versus in a movie Well, they have it Fringy thoughts on ectoplasm I indifferent Really? I don't know that I'm a fan of ectoplasm. You know, I wouldn't want it around unless it was contained I don't know enough about it so Well, I guess we can say that your goo has nothing to do with ectoplasm, man Yeah You know what? Yeah, you can Uh chat, what's fringy's goo? orangeyota Georgia abram's fringy a good question for another time. Yep He's uh, he's not giving you much on that one Usually watch maxill's bloodborne review defeat god's dull waifu simulator pure lsd. Good rat also high rags Hello, I might do in the future maybe Um rags if you listen to drunk rags also high rags I did once the metal stream one That was a trip because like the first time hearing that potato I really didn't remember a vast majority of a lot of that Uh best slash worst interaction with a customer slash client I would have told a client a couple of stories. I'm sure we've yeah, I'm sure I've given stories um Um customer or client Let's take that's going back years. Um I remember I told it on twitter recently like one of the best interactions I ever had I know I've told it on ectop as well But it gave me hope for humanity But one of the funnier ones I know I haven't told in a while was We're gonna all be in queue at all diy store And um, I was in an aisle Literally just filled with toilet seats. That was the aisle. This place is pretty big It's just a whole aisle of toilet seats. It's just like, yeah, you know, whatever toilet seat you want you can get it And I'm just I'm just there stacking some toilet seats as you do And a guy walked up to me and he was like, excuse me Excuse me sir He's like you like like in the way that he would have peered around the corner looking for people And he was like, oh, yes, there we go finally he was like, um Do you have any idea where the toilet seat aisle is? And I was just like The kind of thing where you just look at the person like that's funny And then they were looking at me like no seriously that I was just I like I looked around and he was just like, oh, oh Oh, thank you. I was like I didn't do anything. I'm like, okay It's just uh You feel bad because you thought he was making a joke, but he wasn't I'm gonna get fucking taxed 10 coins whenever I pass this place. What is this? Socialism I don't handle this terrible Mario game for ruining my life um Yeah, I I'm trying to think of like the worst customer interaction I've had and it's just this uh Nothing's going to mind my my horrible retail stories are fading as time goes on which is nice because I hated them Yeah, I have plenty. I just I don't I don't know. It just seems unpleasant to share I'd have to think myself because it for the most part it didn't happen that much But the little things here and there but nothing comes to mind immediately. Maybe if I'm reminded here and there something might like it might jog my memory Yeah, that's worth pointing out is that the really bad stories only happen every once in a while and most people are pretty nice um Most people are pretty neutral is what I found Sure, I got like like and what I I guess what I mean by neutral is like in in the store if uh You know, they're buying something They barely look and acknowledge and they just sort of hand it over. They pay and then it's done. You know like, yeah That's fine It was rare that I'd have someone who's just smiling at me and being like, oh What a nice day it is another they have to you know, human beings shouldn't have to expect us to talk about the fucking weather all the time I understand I never worked at a store. I always work at restaurants Well I never actually worked at a restaurant Really? Yeah, there's there's some fertile ground for bad customer interactions there Rags he's a pun for you. Why does Picard say engage when he's not even married? Hmm Most people get engaged when they aren't married though Yeah, that's true. I don't Yeah, you're gonna have to reformat that joke think about it a moment get back to me Also, are you all right all or left? Do I mean politically? I don't know Well, that's it's funny if it is that case because of the the answer that was just provided to another question like one minute ago The whole labels thing Yeah, I just find the labels to be kind of not valuable if it was like a really it's just an excuse to write people off I yeah, I'm making a video on that Exactly and if it was like it's just across the fucking like spectrum like it doesn't fucking matter Like it's just an excuse to write people off What's also there's lots of stuff that's weird like um drug decriminalization is seen as like a left wing policy, but Like right leading libertarians have all the values that lead to it. So it's kind of weird that it's considered. Yeah, I don't know There's lots of those things crossovers where um Like I think you know being pro gun is often seen as a right wing thing But like more lefty people like no, I like guns I'm just like The power of the people but not like firearms we can't know Ligon season is About a psychotic psychic I think that's supposed to be legion I guess That doesn't know about mutants in the beginning doesn't I think she's crazy and powers don't exist I like season one not season two That's an interesting idea My little pony gen five is about how all the ponies are racist and segregate Young ponies have to teach everyone not to be racist and trump nazi pony is villain I hope this is true Trump pony is racist This top quality I'm sure um Ever had an unbridled response to live theater I feel like there's no real venue for breaking down writing problems in running plays slash musicals Um, I think the loudest I was ever fun enough was uh the predator movie um the predator I I remember at one point uh smiler who I typically see movies with was like Shushed me because I was getting very loud That movie changes a lot about predator as as a thing and it's frustrating that's all I'm assuming you guys are most acquired in cinema. They're like respectable respectable patrons I tend to not speak at all I tend not to yeah I mean, yeah Obviously, I I I haven't seen many movies and theaters recently. Obviously because of code that that doesn't help but I'm pretty sure I'm just like always silent Not saying much Well, I tend to get annoyed like when people talking so Yeah, I don't want to contribute to that problem. What was your rather murmuring Like let's say every other five minutes Just in the background that you can hear or a really strong smell from whatever food they have that's All right. I'll I'll take the murmuring. Yeah, I'll take the murmuring I feel like I can zone out the murmuring easier than I can try to you know Get the smell out of the way And the smell could ruin the whole experience Oh, I absolutely it could there are certain things I just absolutely cannot stand the smell of and if I had to smell that for two and a half hours I'd want to like jump off a cliff Yeah Uh Hello, if I've been waiting to watch last week's episode until I finished midnight mass not typically a horror fan But loved the show also high rags Hello, you might not love our coverage Maybe maybe no, I don't know Been sad today. Uh stream brought a smile. Thanks. Hi rags Hello to you. Yeah, I hope you're doing all right Uh You did say that it can do black holes and yes with those descriptions Um, it's actually kind of easier for the high mid tiers of the mcu the power level of the comics is fucking Asinine. Yeah, I I agree But you know that goes for a lot of things when they power it is asinine in the mcu right now Um, I don't know what scarlet witch can't do They haven't rained in her powers yet at all No, they made it more powerful by the end of the show. Yeah Really? She's like unlocked the ability to just fuck with reality at a whim Uh, which apparently is more in line with the comic, but I mean whatever Yeah, really big problems is writing when you do stuff like that, but um What's so hard to understand about the anti-life equation you get to control Get to control. Where does that go? Didn't we cover that whole thing? I'm trying to find out where the other half of this is Oh You get to control because there's a several in a row it just sort of You get to control all it's just universe range mind control Simple just ignore the comics version where it can shoot energy blast because it's having no visible effect is absolutely Antharma to comic artists I don't know what that means. Um Anti-life equals universe scale mind control and reality warming Okay, so like when we're talking about mechanically what it means. That's not hard for me. I understand english Like yes, I know that finding that thing means they have mind control of the universe We are obviously talking about how the fuck does that make any sense at all like mechanically? Yeah Yeah, an anathema. Is that what is anathema? Yeah, anathema. Oh was that I think it's like opposite of a panacea or an anathema is something or someone that one vehemently dislikes From a formal curse by a pope or a council of the church s Excommunicating a person or denouncing a doctrine. I've learned so many words today that i'm probably gonna forget as well Oh boy. Oh darn a learning stream Um, I never said the anti-life equation wasn't stupid. Just that it what it does is damn simple Like that was never our problem with it. No, it's not but also it's not even simple. It removes free will It's like from what all sentient beings Yeah What do we even have free will real like in this universe technically or and if we include that That description of the how the formula works. Like I don't even want to go into how fucking Yeah, exactly. It ain't simple. It ain't simple. Yeah, there's issues that philosophers have been arguing about for thousands of years And they were even vaguely close to resolution They sold it in in the anti-life equation from dark side I don't know what Daniel then it's been doing. You should just you should just read the dc comics universe They've got it all figured out. It's more simple It's pretty fucking funny at least talking about Uh to clarify what I mean by living concepts imagine the idea of all dreams had a consciousness of their own or a living idea That can interact with others and influence it spread. Does that make sense? So I probably wouldn't sort of a living dream. What does that mean? I don't I don't really get it What does it mean to be alive? Yeah, it's one of those flowery kinds of like what do you say living dream? Like it's it's something you'd see in a dream, but it's actually happening or Like yeah, what like that could mean a couple things, you know and Like it's I think like if every person who hears that is going to have their own You know kind of idea of what that is So in in some ways that could be useful in other ways it could be totally useless So it depends on how you use it, you know like many things Yeah, um Well, that's yeah misanthropony problem on the new content is exact thing what the star wars sequels have This is also a sequel in the far future All main characters are dead and their goals didn't happen get them on you need to talk to them about mlp You love you guys and high rags Hello to you I'll be honest. I don't have a lot of investment in my little pony. Yeah, I don't care. Yeah Rags seems to have a lot of fans in chat That makes sense Rags you got some fans in the EFAP audience. Did you know that? Uh, I think they're here despite me now because of me. Oh, which gives me all the more reason to never leave Here's the life equation. If you're curious, it's the thing Fringy posted about the um, yeah Uh, is it just the anti-life equation but the reverse? Oh, I guess so. Yeah. Yeah, that's the life equation. It's just like Uh, companionship understanding assurance joy altruism respect commendation sympathy Sorry divided by the sympathy. I don't fuck it. It's none of it. It's gonna make any sense to you It won't make sense to anybody So if someone's will gets taken by the anti-life equation, can you just recite the life equation and give it back? I don't why would you ask such crazy questions? I don't understand it at all Howdy massives currently listening to you guys while making a fantasy map for short stories I want to write howdy rags also fringy live channel. Hello All right, thanks. Yeah, good stuff. Keep at it Um Fringy, how are we just saying wids do that? So I guess magical spells that are activated with wids don't make sense Man the level of charitability is off the charts. I was about to say so It's magic then is what you're saying. So what the fuck does it have to do with anything else? Yeah Magic is like a magic system. I guess there's magic across the dceu that strips free will from from what like Do flyers have free will I I'm nah, I'm not even like I I'm like man the level of uncharitability there Oh, yeah, magic spells are stupid because I said wait So if I speak a formula an equation That strips free will from everything in the universe makes you wonder like Is it a matter of like whatever I want in this moment? That's what everyone comports to do in the universe for me You know to my yeah, how does it it's not like I get a console and I can write out my command You know Exactly This is a lot more complex than saying about a cadaver and you fire a green goo at someone they die Yeah I don't get why universe scale powers confuse you guys It's just normal powers, but stupidly larger in scale or is that the source of them doesn't make sense to you Or do you not get why it what it does? I'm not saying this is good writing I'm just confused as to why you're so baffled by these things I've assumed we made it clear at this point, right Yeah, I think so like at every regard of what this thing is how you find it What what it actually is and then what it does it's so unclear and confusing and edgy The anti-life I mean literally everything about it's confusing A lot of sci-fi short stories have things called Cognito hazards which basically set off an uncontrollable response in your brain by looking at them If the anti-life equation was just like that it'd be fine What what sorry I'm lost The vhs in the ring stories have something that makes sure Your minds like not have free will anymore. Well, it says they set off an uncontrollable response to a brain by looking at them That's a lot of things yeah uncontrolled reactions That's Like if there's a if you watch a movie and then you get sad because something sad happens. That's an uncontrolled reaction But then they go out to say Making it an actual known equation ruins the whole concept since the simple fact Fringy can read it to us proves It doesn't actually work Well, so I wouldn't go that far because of course there are plenty of things people read in fiction that do things that don't Do the thing and don't work in reality. Yeah It's much more to do with how is it that is it in English too? It's fucking hell. I I guess maybe just more questions to ask of course Um Maybe it was translated because Because he speaks it I don't even wanna Um There aren't that many people on the spaceship in Wally that means likely millions if not billions of people died while trapped on earth And don't give me the bs that every single human got off the planet Why would we I assume they didn't I don't I don't know because there are only one ship as well or where there are other ships Yeah Well, that's a good question I'd have to look into what exactly they tell us is the truth of the history of uh them escaping earth because I can't remember Can't remember either The aliens that made the mandarin's rings are dead mandarin made them sound more grandiose no sun just extreme heat no portal to space supreme cold Okay, what are you I'm very confused by we were reading the descriptions guys I go If you tell us like that's not actually what they do in the comics, which is like, okay That's I don't know what what was the source on those descriptions of the rings if not I'm guessing it would they lies or they're just a part of a different like comic thing of a different comic. Yeah In which case how we meant to tell that from a glance Well, I'm just gonna go as far as saying like we have no Desire to lie about the mandarin's powers. We're just reading that comic. That's all yeah Um, it would take tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of those ships to even hold a billion people I don't again. I do not know the numbers on the ship or on the planet. I'd have to check with the film Whether they were all the ships Wait, what what property you're in now, uh walley talking about Okay, that's why that's what I thought I think they were trying to it's weird because they're trying to say like People must have died or been left behind and I'm just like, yeah, probably Yeah, I don't we assume that I saved everyone. I mean, isn't it If I remember correctly, it's kind of ambiguous like there could be other ships, right? Is it presumed that all of humanity is on the one or yeah All that's left. I suppose No, no, no, it's clarified because the the ending sequence had like the cartoons of ships and stuff and there was more ships Was it? I think so Maybe other ships are contacted. I can't remember Yeah, well, I have to go back and rewatch it so I can argue about it. So like, you know But the well, I mean I'd be up for watching it again. We can we can organize that if you want Oh, yeah, I'm sure I like movies. They're fun I'm honestly, I'm kind of expecting to walk that back a little bit, but uh Yeah No, just me too. I'm gonna walk that back that I like I know I Don't walk that back. No, I I I expressed like a moderate distaste of walley or a slight hot take I expect that I'm at least a little bit wrong Um Change title to with doomer to force better name I could do that. You could Um, any thoughts on the new mgs3 remake being made? Great not no No thoughts. I am I'm uh useless on that topic Yeah, uh new nintendo casting announcements eddie murphy is ice climbers rosanne is samus I fucking love that. Are you kidding me? That'd be amazing. That's actually really good. That's a that's a top meme Um, they have another one. Nicholas k. Just steve busabi You should wait wait is it is is eddie murphy is ice climbers baked in that he's playing multiple characters because if that if it is that's like Yeah, he has to play both of them. Yeah, that's that's great. Yeah, they just have the same voice. That's fantastic Um, the final one is fred savages shigerobe aboto Make it happen nintendo Uh rags emotions personified is pretty obvious and concepts and ideas being personified aren't they're pretty similar from ideas Perspective so before you answer right this is the same person that's been talking about the whole living ideas thing If I can you're probably gonna have maybe the different answer I don't know but it seems much more straightforward to me if you say to me A a living concept. I'm gonna look at you like you're a weirdo, but if you tell me a personified emotion I'd be like, oh, you know me like an angry person is anger and Maybe he's dressed in a way that's like rough and you know like a tie that's like done up really tight Or maybe even partially off and the colors up or fucked up, you know looking rough like I get a personified thing I understand but living that Personified versus living. I think that one is clear and one is like what does that mean? I've never I've never heard living Yeah, it's pretty Well living has kind of connotations Well, I think in order to tack on to that not all for instance not everything is easily personified so emotions are things that are The vast almost exclusively the things that are emotional that we understand come from other people Right, so it's very easy to personify those things Anger and sadness and regret and joy those are things we've experienced personally and we see them constantly from other agents that we interact with, right? But some concepts are much more difficult to imagine in a more anthropomorphized Form friends concepts concepts like the horizon or tomorrow Or things of that nature. How do you how do you give these things like a corporeal form? You know, how do you how are some concepts able to be translated into a living breathing kind of thing? Um, whereas emotions are easy to do that with It's like it's like a preset Yeah, some things are just not so Yeah, it's also a tack on to that It's also that like people people are emotion making machines. So like I mean So like what you were talking about is expressive emotion like you experience an emotion because a character expresses it But there's also like other ways to invoke emotion as well I mean, it's just there's so many ways to do that. But yeah an abstract concept Yeah, like like the future The future doesn't think if I say the future as a person you picture like a guy in like a sci-fi outfit or something And that's kind of the best you can come up with but you still don't think that really that doesn't really do it Does it Meanwhile, if I said anger personified, it's almost like you'll just you just take away all the other emotions from a person And then you crank anger and that's you're done Um, but you can even think of the clothing and the and the attitudes and whatever to match it I just think there's way more potential there than the other stuff Yeah, if you think about concepts that some are easy justice the concept of justice are easy Simbolically the blind chick with the scales and a sword man. We got that nailed for justice I was gonna say hardly done Anyway Yeah But yeah, some stuff like that that comes from that comes from People those are a lot easier bravery, right the concept of bravery Gonna be probably pretty easy for you to create a character Or to embody that in a physical form that you can look at and say, ah, yes That is bravery personified or some like about some some things are just Like what's thoroughness personified Yeah, what it would Philosophy You know meaning That's a concept that things mean things. How do you how do you personify the concept of meaning? You could you could present like Things that are packed with meaning, but I don't know how you would express like The concept of meaning through a character I can't even I'm not sure Conceptually how you would even approach that and what if your concept is something like it? Like something that is Like I'm sure you can even breach into the realm of almost like contradictory where the fact that it has a form means that it's Like can you should you even give a form to something that is formless like formless as a concept? How do you? You know it's like I don't know Um How would you pendas the anti-life equation? Well with how it's described you've got multiplying dividing adding subtracting in there. So pendas Would give you the order I try to end with happiness Uh get all the bad stuff out of the way and then try and really get in all that that happiness and things Something that might be more good at the end But I don't I don't really have a preference. I suppose Um an efap on my birthday. Thanks massives I've been a fan since before efap had its name and you guys have gotten me through countless work days. Keep up the good work Very well, sir. We shall and uh hope you all have a good birthday A car hitler sending car juice to car schwitz Yep Hey, they made that happen. Okay Oh, yeah, the leak you can hear it now. It all makes sense Uh, what uh Would gas stations be too close in name to chambers? What if car hitlers paint chips? Is he no longer part of the uber wagons? Oh There's a top quality jokes. I will say Uh, do they have car strips slash hookers or re re cars? There's a whole universe for them to create there, you know Rags, what about car civil war and car slavery? I mean, it's just have it all at that point To car civil war The car taxes they had no representation Damn british cars Uh Molley udumbo the reason why the lightsaber was huge in visions is because the kyber crystal was the size of a tangerine Hello all and most importantly high rags. Yeah, I'm sure that's very satisfying The mountain-sized lightsaber Uh, it's two jj abrams for me like uh, it's it's it's oof that scene was hard to watch just put it that way But um, oh and high rags Hello Clint was human an episode four heavily contradicts movie What if contradicts fucking all of the mcu pretty much constantly and it's just the thing that it does Eat cake with a spoon. It's soft and you don't have the cake slipping off No, I want to stab. I want to be able to stab the cake if I need to because I use the You can cut the you can stab the spoon Especially it's a cake. Wait to stir What? Wait, you step. What are you stirring? Oh, no stab. No stab What what's happening? I'm very lost. Yeah Yeah stab so you could cut the cake I cut the cake with my uh my fork right along the side because cake anything cuts cake and then I can stab it So anything cuts cake Like a spoon Yeah, but I don't want to scoop up the cake. I want to just be able to stab it right on the fork No, no, no, no I don't know if you remember rags you said in opposition to the spoon that you want to be able to stab But then you said anything can stab Yeah, now I might I guess you're wrong. I might use red one in terms of cutting You could cut pretty much anything with a cake because it's very very soft, right? You could cut anything with a cake I'm so fucking tired. You can cut You can cut a cake with everything Any pretty much anything can cut through that cake Cutting is a relevant thing, right? So No, it's not just a picture of a guy running around cutting things with cake At all it's not that it's not just It isn't that well. Yeah, I have the rest that I detailed with the stabbing and being able to Got it on my court now. I don't know why you're back to stabbing again It's useful for eating with a fork if to stab but you've established that you can stab with anything You said that which means that we need to get if I said if I said you could stab with anything What I mean is that when you stab with a not everything stabs with the same efficiency Sure I can agree with it. So it's about the difference of the utility of the stabbing than not the act of stabbing itself Forget the idea about you can stab with anything All right, you brought it up. That's all You you cut the cake with the knife and then you could stab it with the knife Which leaves it on the knife nice and easy then you can transition that to your mouth very efficiently You think that's better than a spoon. Well, what? Yeah, I wait so we're left. So you cut with the fork And it stays on the fork, but when you cut with the spoon, it doesn't stay on the spoon When you when you cut with a spoon you can But I think it's easier with a fork and more consistent that you could just Didn't you just say a knife that you would stab it with a knife and then how did I mean did I say knife? You did you you did Or am I going insane? I'm pretty sure I might have said and I lost the plot there Okay, let's we'll and you can reset make this super clear Reset Because I'm talking about things that I don't even know what is it that the fork can do that the spoon cannot I think that the spoon allows you To manipulate the cake and get it into your mouth more efficiently Then a spoon does I think that the composition of a cake Which is spongy, you know bread light Am I going insane? Did he just say a spoon is better than a spoon? Oh, yeah, that's my point, right? Is that you can have many different kinds of cake and All kinds of cake that I know of really are they a fork is really great at Dicing them up cutting them Getting them on the floor, you know, what your mouth and also with the cake You could spoon with a fork as well a fork well, so that's that's my counter right is that if By by using a fork to cut the cake And then to stab back into the cake. That's two actions. Whereas with the spoon you can just Stab it and then it's on the spoon. It's ready to eat And so why not just cut the middleman and just take the spoon and then do that instead of doing it with the With the fork I think it gives you better accuracy for How far you could stab because of its straightness In terms of how I'm talking about not restabbing the slicing specifically that when you slice the cake And then you have the piece that you want to eat if you're using a spoon It's just the one action Uh, you know like scoop like like scooping cake like a small piece of cake off of a larger piece of cake Now you can do that with a fork you can but the spoon is obviously going to be better for that You're saying that you if you have a piece of cake a sufficiently large piece of cake That's been taken from the entire cake right in design. Yeah, yeah, basically a slice cake, but you want to bite up What you do so you're saying you take the spoon And you scoop a smaller piece of cake from that Okay, oh, I think I know why I don't yeah, okay So I think to my experience sometimes when you try and scoop the piece off of the other piece Based off of the motion of your hand and the kind of piece you're trying to get from the other piece It falls over it doesn't just scoop right onto the spoon But because cakes are often tall Right and pieces can be narrow Sometimes they will fall over and in order to get it on the spoon if that happens You will have to you you put the spoon down and you'll have to use that would be the same from fork though It would be the same. No, you would be exactly the same because right it you're stabbing either way There is no change, but no no no no no no no no if you're if you are No, if no stop if you're cutting if you're cutting it like with a spoon It could fall the other way and the same would happen if you cut it with a fork the same thing would happen That's true. The only difference would be you stabbed it But there is a big there's a there's a big difference here whereas let's imagine you have now separated the small piece of cake from the larger piece of cake and Tragedy it falls down and is now lying prone if you will on the Blue's Clues plate. Okay. So now if you have a fork That doesn't matter because you could just stab it and lift it up If you have a spoon to scoop up that smaller piece will often require you to either Drag that piece to the edge of the plate where it is slightly raised so you can get some practice with using Or wouldn't you just press it against the current slice? Yeah, you could you could also do that that is a possibility you could do that And yeah, you you concerns as well depending on the cake, you know if you stab it with the fork It might start to tear into more pieces. Yeah, whereas if I've got it sitting on my spoon Well, here's something though if it's sitting on the spoon, it's gonna be fine But if I stab it I take a risk that it's gonna break it apart And it makes you wonder just scoop it with the spoon Chop it with the spoon put it on the spoon and put it in your mouth It seems like that's a really safe approach And what if what if halfway through you decide that you don't want to have that piece you put off What if you don't want to have it all at once you can keep a piece of cake on your And another thing another bonus is that let's say you're having ice cream with your cake as many people do That's I know that's what our family does. We like there's not what many people do I think so ice cream like even make they even make I feel like it happens less often than it ice cream spoons best friend Well, yeah, yeah, well, here's the thing, right? You can use that fork to take all of the like the the somewhat or semi melted ice cream That's on that plate and you could use that fork to like get the cake and like mix it around and just kind of Put it on that cake and then lift it up And it is delicious As it is with the spoon Yeah, we should we should poll chat about who won that debate because it was intense. Yeah, it was intense Though that my favorite part was when rags, I don't even know if you realize but at one point you described how much better a spoon is than a spoon Yeah, yeah, it was fucking great. Who can argue with that? Who can argue with that? Um Do do do I bet the person sent that see which had never expected that I didn't expect that. I don't even know Um, someone called shad or skelegram or metatron swords master. I disagree. I rate them adept experienced Experienced Okay um, as in a Actua swords master from the period would likely trash them without any contest I mean, I don't even know that they would disagree with that. They're only like Practicing I don't want to speak for them. But like I doubt as youtubers that they expect they would be able to defeat like The swords master an actual yeah, I don't know. I wouldn't want to speak for him um It's amazing the difference between the top five to ten and sport slash game can be to the top for 25 and the top 100 It's like those in the top 100 or amateurs in the top five to ten see the olympics and the pro s s dark raf2 I guess Uh, yeah, it's probably true One of the interesting things is that when once you get to like the very very top of any craft You are disproportionately rewarded favorably Well, yeah, the the top number one. We'll see number 100 is like pathetic an amateur Maybe when that 100 is like leagues are impressive to us Yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah Uh, what's the difference between editing rewriting and redrafting my process for all three seems to be the same But I feel like I'm doing something wrong I'm pretty sure we writing and redrafting of the most similar editing is a little bit different So the way I would try and separate them out is editing is an umbrella turn Well, that's the problem This is if we're talking strictly about writing editing your writing versus redrafting your writing Editing sounds like you can move around while redrafting sounds like you go from start to finish Yeah, rewriting feels like when I'm like I need to cut this scene or the sequence and like rewriting Yeah, I agree. That's how I would probably distinguish the three of them I would say rewriting is more substantive in terms of what's happening in the story Whereas editing is often like the tweaking making sure that everything is like written correctly grammatically punctuation Stuff like that But then there are different types of editing because like for novels there's difference between like the editing that is strictly for um You know just english Yeah copy editing brain is yeah melting here Fucking wallowiji just sometimes doesn't do anything I mean I choose to be paid by the most chad character in all of the mario world and he's like acting out sigma male energy I'm not gonna play your games. I'm not gonna play your minigames for your oh, yeah, but then we lose wallowiji Then we lose. I don't care if we win Uh chat is asking if pizza is a pie or a cake It's a pie Is pizza considered a pie a pizza pie Isn't pizza just its own thing? I thought pizza pie was a thing like as in pizza pie is a different thing from pizza But I thought the pizza was just its own thing. It's like I thought it was its own thing good category then pizza was a category I do not know There are a lot of similarities with pie. I have to admit Well, I mean, it's it's a savory. Oh wait. No, sorry. I forget. I'm in australia We have more savory pies than uh, sweet pies Um, yeah, anything can be a pie technically I will make it. Well anything could be on pizza, right? I could put a pie on a pizza You could put a pie pizza pie on a pizza on a pizza If any of you checked out the guilty on netflix neat premise with nightcrawler vibes also high rags scratches for the dog Oh, thank you No, I have not sounds like it could be interesting Speaking of things held up with bad dialogue atlas. You got to stop doing that. We're gonna Rage everybody. You can't just tell them that The way they remember from the childhoods will be ruined I think internal monologue and anime can be done, right? It depends on the situation. It can all be done, right? It's just that um, so much of it is surprising to me sometimes Whoa, this is considered like top tier when the characters explain everything they feel to you It makes me feel angry. Exactly. That's another good futurama reference. I think right that's we're going for Oh, no, I think that was cryptomnesia. I thought I was coming up with it, but you're right. That is futurama The futurama is a little bit different. That's the devil's hands are idle play things. Yeah, the futurama one Oh, I was thinking of the one where you know, it's almost exactly the same the devil's hands are idle play things I was also I'm gunning for the other one where the what if machine um And I think bender says I've always wanted to feel emotions because um, everyone can and I can't that makes me sad Oh, yeah, yeah, you know and the devil's hands is like I think the exact line is you can't just have your characters announce how they feel that makes me feel angry. So yeah, that was definitely I had no idea but that's make the word for word. Yeah makes me feel angry Yeah, the the devil's hands are idle play things is the name of the first futurama finale Yes season four finale, right? Yeah. Yes Um, I'm glad we had this conversation. I'm glad I can say that black manor is not a horror because it's not Whatever he's like I give a fuck It is but like Oh, no, it doesn't get that particular genre title. It's the end of the way It's just funny because you can make a compilation from that show of some of the things that happened I'd be like, yes, this is totally not horror Um question for rags, but also high rags How low which full metal alchemist did you watch original or brotherhood? I think original I think I can't it's been so long. I can I might I can't quite remember I watched brotherhood Um, the fact that kung fu panda is still one of the best kung fu movie series is hilarious The chinese officials had a meeting about why their movies are not as accurate to chinese history and mythology um First one's really good I mean, yeah, that's it. I know a lot I remember watching the first one many times when it came out. I wouldn't mind seeing that free fat movies We should do it at some point. That'd be that'd be great. It'd be a lot of how many are there There's three. I think there's three I remember the second one being really bad. I haven't seen three I have I've only seen one and two What'd you think it to I oh man, I can't remember two, but I remember I wasn't as big of a fan of it as the first one Yeah, that's yep I think you missed three of my super chats this stream. That is very unlikely I will have a quick luke scene um So one of them was best lead mobile combat snake eyes and chiang chi. We definitely answered that Another one was venom is better than venom too. We definitely answered that And that's it for this stream so Well, hopefully we caught them Uh Gun to your head fuck mary kill metal jay and a marsh mellow man Nope, I will I will make it a rule if you involve irl people then I will well irl people that I'm very close with that I'm allowed to veto Yeah, we don't want to keep it. It's gonna be really depressing to have to have to keep breaking the news to jay All the time. Yeah, it'll make metal happy, but that's not really, you know Yeah Don't lie to do more about australia. It doesn't exist. Just like the queen of england stop being rude before santa doesn't put you on the good list I thought you're on the good list by default lake and then he takes you off and puts you on the naughty list Maybe we're currently on the naughty list and he's considering putting us back on the good one. I don't know Wait, it's pessimistic. Hmm But I mean doesn't australia exist. I thought it was Finland the one that didn't exist Hmm Mola they get away with it because it's anime. How is that different than people making excuses for the mcu or diverse movies? I'm specifically talking about the communities. We are a part of They believe me and marvel doesn't get away with fucking anything in our communities not here not here We hate marvel marvel right now. Yes Um, and if you don't think it gets enough criticism then make that criticism That literally yeah, that's what you're criticizing. You're criticizing the criticism that's been levied. I don't understand. What have we That's what we do Um, and then it falls up with I might be misunderstanding with uh, you maybe I'm just trying to make this clear It's such a broad denouncement of a specific category of media, but I think I get what you're saying The the main thing to take away is that anime is ass like a lot of things Um, but for some reason it gets away with loads of shit and so you end up having lots of really bad things celebrated Um, that is not something that doesn't happen With mainstream stuff even in our own communities to this day winter soldier is held as the greatest in the mcu for some reason That's a mystery, but well, I say it's a mystery. We have theories on exactly how that's happened. Um It's very well paced as we said nice action and all that stuff, but um Yeah anime is like that on steroids. It gets away with all kinds of crazy shit That um, again, like, you know the power level stuff. That's like all over anime. The second jj abrams does it We all like highlighted as like oh fuck the here go the here the stakes are gone Oh like in marvel when they do it Definitely the dialogue stuff But um power level did you see cowboys versus aliens? I have seen that not for a while that I I didn't but I figured that like how could they possibly balance the power levels of like It seems so insane Well, I don't know what you think of it Um, I don't remember anymore No, that's not that's not a good idea. That's my insight Yeah Oh my god, the computers are racking me right now. It's embarrassing. Oh, I got two of them nice Well, they just stand there. Okay, never mind um But I think I can get what you're saying better if you say people aren't critical critical enough of anime That's literally what we say um One I think you'd like is 10 deities no only pieces the heroes are as immortal as the villains I don't know why that would be a point of praise um Or anything other than neutral but for very different reasons one actively wants to destroy humanity and the others doesn't care if humanity destroys itself so long as so long as lives Not gonna lie rewatching a series that covers all of the avatar episodes It's much worse than I remember but certainly better than most of its contemporaries Its contemporaries would be stuff from the mid-2000s Yeah, and if we're talking about if we include more than like drama tv shows or we just doing cartoons Well, even if it's even those cartoons the competition is tough Wasn't SpongeBob out at that point SpongeBob was definitely on at that time Yeah, so I don't know. I agree with the first half not the second half necessarily Um I personally find the oh wait, so that's the yeah, so that's the end of that section Um, I don't know how we could be more clear about the anime thing. It's just It's like, why don't you be critical of it that it's like, yeah, that's what we're doing Um Hello massives missed the fapping because I hiked for eight hours got chased off the mountaintop by some angry goats But with the trip appetisms Hey, just wondering what that looks like. Hope you're right. Yeah Goats hanging out on the mountain. We don't want any friend Yeah, it's like, you know Goats if you if you you know interact with the human maybe maybe human will look after you, you know There's a thing that can happen there One of there's any understanding of that in the animal kingdom beyond like elephants. I'm pretty sure they do but Some kind of like those fucking humans. They control everything if we can just Have you seen what happened with dogs and cats to live in the dream? It's not fair I personally find the training and discovering your powers part of stories to be annoying I'd rather see emotional development and character development from people already at their top or near the top of their powers I'm fine with both as long as they don't well Like finding your power versus someone who's already very powerful and just I don't know. Yeah, I feel like all they can work getting your powers learning your abilities and The work that goes into that can open up many possibilities for character growth and emotional You know emotional stuff Well, is there any way to have an origin story where there isn't like an element of training? I mean, otherwise you seem to just be in Mary Sue territory or whatever where they're just automatically good Also, it's intrinsically nonsensical if you can have a Growth story that requires no growth because then there is everyone would just be things You know what I mean? Like there would be no aspirations because you would just be the thing Yeah, like today. I will be a doctor and it's like all right. There you go. That's sweet Um, the weird journey is going to come up a lot with that as well uh You have loads of options with all sort of points in a training History and I would just say if someone was like I'm getting bored of the sequence where they're bad with a sword And then they get better and better. I just be like, oh, well, you're not supposed to just be doing that in those scenes, right? supposed to be dialogue and Sort of other backs and falls you can have the montage involve more than just whether or not they're getting better with a sword That's a specific example, but you know what I mean It's all opportunities for storytelling um So no ray randomly discovering super god mode just people like mace windu and yoda dealing with stuff Whether it be interpersonal drama or trying to organize their life. Maybe foil plots. Yeah, I get I'm not against stories like that. I just all of them can wear We get a lot of origin stories though. I I guess I agree Um, I want them to have their powers pre-established in universe Pre-established in universe have their powers pre-established in universe I guess they just mean like the it's like a title crawl establishes it. I don't know if that's what that means Or they don't pull their powers out of nowhere when they need them Yes, maybe that's what they mean whoever is like, oh, I can levitate Oh, well, this is the end of that thing about the mace windu stuff So so they're saying like they want all of that to be clear well before we even start the story I guess and No, they make more money from a watch on nebula video than their youtube Oh, well, I don't know the specifics of that but I mean maybe watch for watch, but view count wise There's no way nebula's gonna be able to compete with youtube's view counts nebula's gonna be siphoning youtube viewers like You're gonna be sending people to nebula from youtube. I don't know if nebula is popular enough um I just don't know Yeah, maybe You guys are acting like it's super immoral to use something like nebula I'm not a fan of locking content off from people arbitrarily to get more money out of them There's lots of ways to get more money out of people. Um, the peak of this is like the horrible microtransaction gambling games Let's I don't like it. I just because it's legal. I'm not gonna do it myself. Yeah Um, you I don't think it makes you an evil person to do so. I mean there are degrees, right? That's just a very least distasteful. Yeah, and like nebula is a system designed specifically to do that Like let's not pretend that they're like nebula is this amazing thing where I get to add one minute extra video for you to see at a cost It's like what the fuck like nebula is doing this like that's it's How does it work? I don't even know do you need like a subscription to use it? I think so Yeah, nebula plus will be the subscription. I think Nebula the mcu character um Screw mary kill harley quinn ratcatcher to katana Oh kill harley harley's dead Uh, I'd probably go marry ratcatcher to right and screw it on her. Yeah Uh, it's played trap for calm of its victims In terms of all this living concept thing look up the term agregor Honestly fourchan has taken this concept to its logical and tizmy conclusion I don't I don't know what that means. I don't know if I want to know It is from french uh from ancient great paul is an occult concept representing a distinct non-physical entity that arises from a collective group of people Historically the concept referred to angelic beings or watchers and the specific rituals and practices associated with them Namely with inakian traditions More contemporarily the concept has referred to a psychic manifestation or thought form Occurring when any group shares a common motivation Being made up of and influencing the thoughts of the group The symbiotic relationship between an agregor and its group has been compared to the more recent non-occult concepts of the corporation as a judicial person or legal entity and the meme All right then I'm trying to say that those descriptions were made by the mandarin himself to sound more op the rings are powerful But not earth shattering. Oh, well, if that's what the context of that Uh comics page is then. Yeah, they're not as powerful, but um I guess we'd have to see what an actual description of the rings power can do A single water molecule isn't wet but a group of them are since then the water molecules are covered with other water Making the inside water wet Oh, right I mean the water molecules be soggy That's basically my argument for why water is wet Uh mol you misread my super. I said you didn't need to no need to reread it, but check his star wars vids I oh man, I don't remember which which which one was that One second and I have been known to do that. I've read words wrong sometimes. It's very embarrassing Oh, you don't need to talk about mlp is what they said not need to my bad It's good that you clarified that It's important Um, let the meat cake with a fork more I mean that means that they're allowed to eat it with a fork or a spoon and that's the perfect world You know use whatever you tend to whatever you want. Yeah Um, have you all seen patrician tv here on youtube? He did a really good 12 hour review of uh elder scrolls Stumbled on to him and really like his content I have not I have not no, I don't know that one I appreciate I can I can admire the dedication to make a review that long and a game that it's uh Not really in boog at the moment, but I yeah, yeah, I could see myself if I put it would take a lot Of work, but you know, there's a lot to talk about in those games. So who knows who knows Rags you filthy weave watch cowboy bebop animu I have There you go. I even referenced it in I don't know and something but uh Yeah, I have seen it. I have seen it Stuff I like Um guys guess who once portrayed foo man shoo christama christama I'm getting i'm getting tired too christopher fucking lee. Look it up. It was a famous episode of mystery science theater 3k Um, I think I already knew that I have everyone knows about the nicholas cage one as well. I think oh a lot of people do Um Rockman your pfp is well done long man. Your pfp is wonderfully spooky doggo. Your psp is adorable Since I have characters left piss Ah, that's fair enough. Yeah, thank you very much. It's the whole task works excellent. I like You guys pfps are really good Thank you very much. Yeah, thanks. Yours is um, you know, you know, it's all right. It's a shitty bit It's all right Living dream. It's a dream that's alive and thinking like a person. It's not made of matter. It's made of thoughts What is I'm happy to just move on. I don't know what that I can't like how do we conceive of that a dream. It's alive and thinking A dream is if the dream is thinking who does it belong to? It's alive bringing so it's itself But it has a thing the only logical functions or what it's the universe dreaming of itself Whoa, that's actually a line in midnight math. Oh god Wait, it is. Yes, but it's not I don't think it's from midnight math. I think there's a lot of people saying it's uh Carl Sagan's reference to a whole bunch in uh midnight mass. I'm not sure if he said that Yeah, it's shit for losers Wow, right Um, I can understand people's thinking anime gets a pass But I go but I can go to any anime consumer and they wouldn't say most of it is trash like any other media Okay, fair enough Um, all righty, that's that's that's that we've caught up with today's Incredible Oh, well, okay, uh, I mean before your first thing first, did you go to like that? I'll probably have to refresh in a moment and read out whichever one's coming a little bit next Um, but first of all, uh, do my politics. Thank you so much for hanging out with us for nine and a half hours Thank you for having me. It's been fun, and I'm very exhausted. I'm surprised you guys can do this all the time Yeah, no you get used to it You just succumb to your fate and do what you can you stay up you get some practice in you make sure you sleep and You know, you just pay attention multitask a bit. Yeah, it's only um, it's only twice a week. You know, it's not that much Yeah, that's true. Yeah, it's really fun. Yeah Well, uh, why don't you tell chat about what you get up to in in around your youtube and I'll uh, I'll make sure to link it in chat Okay, why should they subscribe to you? Why should they subscribe? Uh, if you don't like this guy vosh, that's a good reason to subscribe. I made this The main video to look at yeah The one video to look at yeah, so I mean if you if you want to pitch, um I had been working on this book on screenwriting for a long time. That's basically what a lot of my stuff's going to be about Things that I've written about and applying it to movies So jango and chain is going to be first Um, probably a lot of media analysis and stuff like that because I love analyzing movies Then I'll probably have some political videos, but that probably will stop because Talking about politics gets old and is upsetting and movies are much more interesting. So Yeah, probably a lot of media videos coming up sweet and uh, I guess is jango first. Did you say? Yeah, like I because we discussed it and then I went back and rewatched it And it not only annoyed the fuck out of me, but I kind of figured out the whole movie or the whole video No, just just watching through so yeah, that'll probably be done this week Hey, I really like jango, but I'm more than willing to to hear the argument whatever it may end up being Oh, there's I so I found a smoking gun So I await your reaction It'll be it'll be pretty interesting very well Now With efap, uh, we usually do a catch-up on wednesday, but that's gonna be my annual It's maby day stream of a spooky game and this year I'm gonna be doing machine for pigs a revisit after many it feels literally like it's been What like fucking nine years since I played that game. I don't even know What time are you starting? I actually don't know it'll probably be after I do whatever I'm doing with my family Be it do you think that will be So around efap time. Yeah, probably either an hour after or two something like that. Yeah Okay machine for pigs I'm really gonna it's gonna be strange to play that game again after all this time I never finished it. So I'll watch you play through a bunch of it I said, I think it's a short game to be honest. I think it's only four or five hours But I guess I'll find out Um, I say that's short. That's I don't even know anymore. What is short and long anymore? Who knows? uh Yeah, and then you get another resident evil efap movies coming on friday and um There are other things going on, but they don't You don't have to worry about a chant these guys have to worry about it. Okay, like all dates and stuff Oh, oh, right, right Um, is there anything you guys wanted to say before before we head out? Oh, wait, I've got to read out the rest of the ones that came in while I was speaking. God damn it. Oh my god We'll be here for So keras will be here forever and ever and ever true um Wait, are you confused on what the anti-life equation does or how it does it? Basically basically all of it, but uh everything Just everything about it Yeah, it's just Um Any thoughts on netflix midnight mass you can find us discussing it at around I want to say the 40-minute mark or something on the prior efap um I don't know that we're going to go in into much more detail than that other than when we Tackle it on an efap mini series, which could be as much as two or three years from now, but hey eventually Um, I'm sure y'all are tired of hearing about it, but any plans to cover invincible. Nope I was thinking of making a video on it if you guys weren't go right ahead man. Absolutely go for it We don't really have any intention to cover in it um If you think about a cognito hazard, it's just it just mind hacks you It's magic. It's like a cognito hazard just sounds like the thing that is bad for brain hex Like a hex like a spell Uh Sure Mind hacks is that what he said? I think what hackers in like instead of hell Gives you a mind hack and you know something like that. I guess I don't I'm not entirely sure The whole like oh, it's so crazy if you look at it. You'll go insane. Ah, you have to some of the scp stuff do that Like roko's bass looking stuff like that uh sort of I gotta make I gotta distinguish if that's medic or cognito. Um cognito hazard, um Mimetic first kind of okay, um Let me see. So Let me see So a cognito hazard Poses a danger when since this can be through any of the classical means sight sound hearing taste or touch Is it necessarily only mind affecting and a medic agent is infectious is essentially infectious Information knowledge that triggers anomalous behavior or effects by nature all mimetic agents are Mito hazards. You have to sense something to learn new information A an info hazard as coined by sorts is Something that is triggered if you simply know about it It is similar to but distinct from a Mimetic agent because a mimetic agent is pure information whereas an info hazard is generally an object And that's from now. This is from the scp stuff and a lot of the scps deal with being these sorts of things um But I think that is a reference to That's from the tag guide on the faq section on the website And they have some examples here Pretty cool. Yeah You're never caught up. We will be fully one day. It's gonna happen Uh, what would win a pack of rabid beavers with machetes or a pack of rabid otters with bowie knives iraqs Hello Um, which are bigger the beavers bigger than the otters. Yeah, all right Uh, I think so. I think they're bigger than otters. Yeah, they're probably similar in size I guess I'm ignoring the the weaponry. I was just gonna think about them as creatures like the beavers teeth They could how lethal is a beaver versus other animals? I don't I I think they if they have to fight I assume they bite Beavers scratch Beavers are twice the size of otters. I just checked. Oh, okay Honestly in that case, I'm just gonna go with the beavers You have to go with the beavers too. Wait, this is beaver versus otter But with machetes for the beavers and bowie knives for the otters Wait, but the machete knives are even better. So the beavers are just gonna like slaughter Actually, the team can pick up these things And here's the thing In the water though a stabbing weapon will be much more effective than a slicing weapon Okay in the in the water the the otters would be a lot more maneuverable So maybe in the water the otters could have a chance didn't specify what's in but you know, maybe Well, I here's the thing I think that both of these creatures being heavily aquatic based will will try and play that to their strength potentially So maybe beavers with their dams and such will play more defensively They will make use of their fortifications, which most animals probably don't know how to deal with The tactically speaking. So I'm I am going to give it to the beavers Because even though I think in water Otters will probably win out because they have better weaponry in the form of knives that can be used underwater Um, it is going to be very hard to force a fight in the water Yeah, I could see the underwater otters winning argument for sure Right, uh I do want to get in a call with you guys to tell you how the anti-life equation and other stupid stuff like it functions And what it does And cognito hazards the ideas are far out, but they have simple mechanics like a magic system I'm not saying that they aren't inconsistent. I'm just hyper baffled people of your obvious intelligence. Don't get it It's not it's not magic though If it were magic there'll be ways like you could discover this magical power at the center of the universe Let's you control all free will if it was strictly that instead. It's there's an equation That allows you to control all free will And even then an equation like a mathematical equation like you just That Is what you're telling me must be used figuratively What you're telling me is that like why can't you just ignore the fact that they're saying that and just Gone with magic and it's like it's not claiming magic. It's claiming an equation does this and then the equation Mathematics and magic are Like polar opposites One of them is like as provable as you could possibly get Mathematics is more real than real In tlj when they're like the ship is smaller therefore it is faster than us because that's just how things work It was like i'm sorry what like that doesn't make any sense and if someone said yeah, just fuck it's magic Fuck it. I'm like, no, you can't like claim magic after that For for anyone who thinks this is simple. Can you please explain how I quantify loneliness? Like what I just yeah Yeah I'm saying it's not it is absolutely not the same as magic and As was said it's just like how does it work for that individual when if I control all the free will in life How does that what is that experience for me like? I don't know. Uh, do you guys recommend watching midnight mass? Yes Mine is also yes with many many like a million dots after it Yes And it's not an enthusiastic. Yes Yet it is a yes. I'm assuming for you would say yes as well Maybe Um evil on netflix is bad demon recruits for bad activities as a therapist and part of his plan is directing single white males to 4chan It's bad I love satan is directing people to 4chan The best kind of stuff and then this is no you won't Read another cac w you're never going to bet you can't use cac w on youtube God disgusting Yeah, well, no, you didn't though you just typed out a bunch of letters on twitch. It comes out as an image Which is way better Um, oh, then I meant personified apologies for miscommunicating this comes down to me failing to define tims I mean a dream personified as rags going over and stuff that's still weird Compared to like an emotion personified yeah, because Dreams don't have any like emotions have outward manifestations in terms of behavior that is very recognizable But a dreams manifestation doesn't I don't really know what that would be Dreams tend to be purely subconscious things that occur when a brain is in a state of like sleep so I don't I don't know how that manifests um Generally when things are described as dreamlike Uh like like surrealist art It is um Unreal right it's imaginative and illusory Things of that nature right it's uh Resimbles a dream. It's like it's like it's surreal. It's not necessarily rational or logical in a in a sense But even then that's a very broad swath of things Yes And yeah, that's that's it. We caught up again. So now I shall say is there anything Any of you wonderful lads would like to say before we stop the stream I'm good bananas Rags is there anything is there a word you'd like to say or anything like that? Uh abdicate There you go abdicate. Alrighty. That was a fun almost 10 hours. We'll see you next time folks. Yeah Jane we we had just enough time we could have squeezed in that second video, but that's all right Maybe I'll get around to it next time. Yeah, maybe okay So we will we see oh fringies thoughts on tongue no, we're not going there Um, but we'll see y'all later. Thanks very much for showing us. Thank you The long man is as long as I can make him long I'm fine. I'm all best anime Ed Edmetti's best anime There you go Goodbye everybody. Good night Yeah, I'll see y'all later. I gotta deal with this uh Hey, we'll be watching a lot of us to play through what a clusterfuck. Hi rags. Yeah, I'm glad you enjoy it It's a fucking terrible game Hi, and goodbye. Thanks very much. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. See y'all later