 episode one of House of Secrets. And I'm pretty sure both of us were pretty darn convinced. It definitely wasn't a mass suicide. And I'm still not convinced, but that last part definitely gave you some cause for thought. But I mean, it could have been a couple of the older family members didn't to everybody. Yeah. Oh, it's definitely somebody in the family that did it because obviously hands and feet being bound. Yeah, it definitely wasn't a mass suicide. Except if like a couple of older ones were convinced of it and they killed the kids and obviously a kid's not gonna want to that young gonna want to kill himself like grandma's. And then they said there was something about a ritual or something. So there's some weird going on there because they bought the stools, they bought the wire and the saris. Yeah, so that's weird. So it's clearly some almost like almost feels cultish a little bit. First of all, horribly tragic when you're talking to the family, but I was convinced this was an outside murder. And then I thought maybe it's a murder suicide. And then they showed that footage at the end of family members buying stools and wire. What the heck? Yeah, so this is getting weird. I think it though it went where I thought it was going. It's a cult type situation, but it's either either possession of some sort. And they obviously that person controlled the rest of them where they were so convinced that it was the dad that they just believed it. Some definite need of mental health help. It was needed. I'm absolutely convinced they murdered the children. Yeah, they did. Yeah. That's the really strange thing. He's like 11 people and all of them are like, okay, this is legit. Yeah, he's he's possessed. Let's listen to him. My first inclination is confirmed that I thought this was a murder suicide. But what I wasn't expecting is the fact that we've gotten into something that is as personal for me as anything ever. And that's the realm of the demonic. Just finished the last episode. It took some weird turns there at the end. But I feel like our initial thought was basically it's almost a cult essentially. But also I don't agree that they don't know what to call it. They murdered the he murdered those children. Yeah. That's what that's called. Well, I just think it if I convince leave them to do something, even if it was accidental, it's still murder on my part. I mean, it was 11 years of manipulation. And so they just bought into it. Yeah, because he was the patriarch of the family and the whole losing the voice thing was weird. And then obviously he had some major brain damage, obviously, as you said, like just falling asleep, narcolepsy. Well, from the motorcycle accident, he clearly had lingering side effects from that. And then to lose your voice or that wanting people to think you lost your voice. A lot of manipulation there. Or it's who knows what it is, whether it's just a severe mental disorder, which I did enjoy that the it kind of turned into this. Yeah, like mental health awareness. Yeah. Wonderful. But yeah, that was so heartbreaking. So sad. Extremely well done. Extremely well done. Obviously we'll be talking a lot right now. Hey, welcome back to our stupid reaction to get some Corbin break. You already done the intro. I did. Yeah, amazing. Yeah, it's crazy. Twitter. Anyways, welcome back. Today we're doing... It's different. Today we're doing a docu series review. It's probably gonna be more of a discussion. Yeah, because outside obviously there's a filmmaking aspect to documentaries and we'll talk about that. But obviously for the most part, it's just talking about whatever happened in it. Exactly. As opposed to reacting to everything like that that we normally do. So this is a new experience for us. We watched House of Secrets. I don't know. There's another word behind there. Yeah. It's the House of Secrets, the Burrari deaths. Directed and I think produced? Is it? Yeah, Leni Yadav directed it as did Anabav Chopra. But she was the writer of the docu series. And it's all about the... I'm assuming most of you know about it. And for those of you who don't know, same director's parched. Yeah, same director's parched. It's a docu series about the strange deaths of 11 people. Are we gonna do a spoiler? No, just go watch it. Go watch it first before you hear us talk. We're gonna talk about those spoilers. Especially if you don't know anything about it. Just go watch it. It's a quick watch. I feel like, yeah, it's three episodes, 40 minutes each. I feel most Indians know this story. It was probably, I think, a huge thing. It's like OJ, basically, when OJ was happening. It was all over the news. But, yeah, man, what do you think? Yeah, well, first of all, I'll go to the technical side of things because we do appreciate documentaries just as an audience and also in terms of stuff that gets attention for award season because there's Oscars like last year. I was jumping up and down running through the house when my octopus teacher won Best Documentary and watched almost all of last year's documentaries and some of them were really, really good. But it's a whole other ball of wax. It's how was the stuff put together. And I thought from a technical aspect, and we'll get into some of the details about the actual events and why I think this was such a good documentary because I think this was a very well done document. Yeah, so do I. I thought, obviously, well fit for one. And all I would expect. But the way it was pieced together for two people who did not know the story in a slightest. We didn't hear about it all. If it was news, it was like a small little... I have no recollection of ever hearing about the story. Yeah, absolutely. So, the way they pieced it together was like, okay, here's this. And then this happened. And then so you're like, okay, I got it. And then they throw this other wrench at the end of the first episode. We're like, wait, they bought what? Right. Exactly. Why would they do that? Yeah. And then I almost did a video in the middle. And I just, I thought, no, I'm just going to do the ones you asked for. And it was, I turned the camera on myself. And I was like this. And I said, there were 11 pipes? That was weird. That was extremely weird. Very weird. And then obviously the... 11 years. The last episode was really good. But it was also like, that the strangest thing was the dude didn't have a voice for a year. Yeah. Dude didn't have a voice for a year. Did he? Did he not? Did he not? That's such a weird... I'm such a skeptic. I'm like, no. Of course. He's a fucking liar. Right. Yeah. I totally didn't believe it. Right. In a slightest. Right. Especially because like they were so like put off-ish about like, don't... We're not going to talk about this anymore. Like it was, it was such a weird situation, but it was also really well pieced together to keep you engaged each episode to the very end. And we'll get into some of the details of it. But I, one of the things I appreciated, it was telling us to Indroni, she didn't watch it with me. But she knows about this. She knows the story. And I pointed out, one of the things I appreciated about the way this was put together and directed and presented was I felt like they covered all of the bases they needed to and they erred on the side of forensic science and psychology, but didn't ignore the prospect of things going on that were supernatural. Supernatural for sure. But when you consider the potential for this to have been hyper-spiritualized and hyper, this could have gone the route of just let's get eyeballs and sensationalize this. And I felt like this was a very sober attempt to give you as much information to come to some definitive conclusions about what transpired without wrapping it all up for you. Yeah. And that's what they pieced together, not only the the current interviews that they did, but also the the real-time footage that they interwoven to it. So, yeah, like what was going on in the media, they were blaming this, the plumber's wife, right, for a long time. Yeah, who was the the the Tantric Priestess. Yeah. Yeah. And I said that to Indroni. I said, if this had happened in a different part of the world or at a different time, but let's take it contemporary. There are places in the world, India included, where this kind of thing could happen and people would just presume the Tantric Priestess is to blame. And let's take her out in the street and punish her for it. Yeah. Yeah. And so, yeah, I thought all that was really, really well done. Hats off to say her name. Yeah, but for Lena Yadav being. She was going, I saw at the end, but there's two directors on there collaboratively, but it was Lena's project. Yeah. And did a very good job. I thought it was well balanced. I thought the interviews were really good. I appreciated that we got a balance, a really good balance throughout of the investigative people in law, as well as autopsy and that's concluded in the law side of things, the press, and then family and friends. Yeah. But all those bases were covered really well. Yeah. So, let's just get into the story. Yeah. That it's so, so strange because at first you're like, you're almost positive clearly. This is a murder suicide. No, people don't just gag themselves and tie their feet and all that kind of stuff. I was like waiting for the autopsy. It's like, okay, they were drugged and then hung by somebody maniacal. Yeah. They owed money to somebody. The biggest twist at the first one was they, why were they buying stools and rope? When I see family members buying the actual stools and rope, I'm like, they were planning this or somebody was planning this and just they didn't know what they were buying. Yeah. That was my first thought at the end of the first episode was somebody in the family is planning this and the ones buying the stuff don't really know what's going on. That was my first thought. And then I think the second episode was all about the diary. It was almost Tom Riddle diary style like Harry Potter, Tom Riddle and Jenny was kind of controlling Jenny through the diary that she was writing in. It was almost like that. It was very much and it was well done the direction in that sequence of whoever they had do the narration to be the voice and that was really good as was in the very, very far background, these subtle whispers going on underneath in the back with the script going up and being highlighted. It was really well done to convey the weirdness of it. It was so weird because everything that you kind of pieced together was so the dad died and then now the patriarch, he's come back and he's kind of possessing I guess is what you like to believe. The son and now they're all following what he wants, what he's telling them to do because it's paying off for them financially and I know everything they're being told to do over this period of time, the advice is proving to be beneficial. So it's one of those things it's like you don't know if this is like a possession demonic thing. You don't know if this is just like like they were saying a psychosis kind of mental disorder right which obviously both could be very, very true. You don't know if it's just this guy who is just sick for power and like he just I don't know that the strangest thing is that he also killed himself in the end so it's yeah that's it's not like a because my first thought at I think that we said in like when we did our thing I was like this feels like a cult right but normally in cults unless he gets the cult leader gets caught they're not gonna usually kill themselves. No I mean Jim Jones is the person that comes to mind and he he dies too. So maybe that's not sure but that's that's the initial thought that I felt is like this is like very culty but it was like 11 years of manipulation of this this guy that all of them bought into which is so strange yeah these and all educated people were like right yeah this guy who's talking like the grandpa is saying yeah there's a word I was waiting to hear said and I didn't hear it said and it's because of my own personal subjective proclivities I mentioned this after episode two in the little clip of my own personal experience with supernatural and in particular the realm of the of the invisible with both the light and the dark and I didn't hear the word deception I heard psychosis and I heard mental illness which you can't share mental illness my dad has been battled mental illness and is mentally ill all of his life he never gave it to me and I've been with my dad through some of his worst breaks days without sleeping just being literally in the room with a man who's completely insane uh I I struggled when I was dealing with that that's why they called it shared psychosis yeah but I I personally didn't buy in you know he stood there on the railing of the stairs in North Hollywood pointing at me saying God's turned me into Rick Cersei and I knew he wasn't I knew that was my dad having a mental break um and I wasn't joining him in his journey into being the the cosmic I think one of the other interesting things about this though is the fact that it's an Indian family patriarchy yeah system yeah I think somebody at the end of the episode said did these women have a choice to question right as well no because member early on the fact that the one woman said she can't go out without asking permission she was not able to go out without asking permission the permission was always given but had to ask and that does play a huge part in the psycho the psychosis of manipulation and whether or not you have a choice to do or don't do this same as true for the children I'm 100 positive they murdered those children yeah those children would not like yeah let's let's do this they and that's why their feet were bound tighter than others right and so they're kicking to get away and yeah a hundred percent believe that women like they were like I don't know what to call this obviously I don't think they intended it and that might be true it might not have intended to die but if no it's like if this was me and this was like Leland and I didn't mean for Leland to die it's still murder correct and dies and I made in my made him do yeah there's degrees of murder and manslaughter but I I agree that from the physical realm perspective and from a legal perspective you can see this and deem it as a tragic accident driven by somebody with mental illness I personally think it is a deeper thing than that for a couple of session you think I for a couple of reasons of my own personal experience and things I know from other people and things I've studied and I've read and I don't need to get into it very long I might do an afterthought now that I think about it for those who care yeah I'm gonna I'm gonna do that I'm gonna do an afterthought on my channel for those of you who want to hear more of my own personal story in the background on it if it matters to you but there wasn't the word deception and there was a lot of stuff pinpointing and going to and has from my experience the hallmarks of what are the work of the demonic where there is deception where there is something going on where somebody is possessed and the fact that it's also a very big couple of hallmarks about the work of the demonic in that regard are things being reinforced in the physical realm to confirm to the person there's no way this can't be true yeah it's part of the deception it's how can I deny it when it's verified in my circumstances and there's a point to that I've been deceived in that way I've completely changed a world of you because things in my physical world were being so undeniably in my face it's like how do you deny this is real when I just saw that with my own eyes and the other thing being the the fact that one of the hallmarks like whenever you hear it happens a lot a lot of evil killings really evil killings and with the killer killing themselves yeah that's another hallmark of no one surviving this I'm going to use this person and then when they're done doing what I wanted them to do I will end them as well and you can't unfortunately in the world of criminal law you can't that has to be ruled out as a I don't know what that was yeah and too often it gets two things happen sometimes somebody definitively mental mentally ill gets blamed for something that's spiritual and never had anything to do with something spiritual and the reverse is true it was not mental illness it was something spiritual and it's it's purposefully hard to discern I did like that they ended it with kind of a I'm gonna let you decide and also the message of we need to discuss this and these types of things to grow society and help each other as a society and I love the whole even if even if that wasn't the actual thing that happened the whole positive reinforcement of mental health exactly in this talking to something and how it's it's taboo in Indian society to something's wrong I need to go talk to somebody about this three things based on their importance so I would say the first thing that's the most important and their link would be the combination of being able to talk about mental health and superstition and spirituality because irrespective of whether or not this was definitively something going on demonically the spiritual and the superstitious was at the heart of this if they were convinced to do something based on a mass hypnosis they were doing spiritual rituals they found the remains of a spiritual ritual he was consistently writing down you must do this because god etc etc etc this taps into that and having conversations about what is what is true spirituality versus empty religion what is actually a great line in this somebody said where does faith and and delusion begin yeah great that was I thought I was like whoa great yeah and then the other thing as well that's part of this and you alluded to it a moment ago was the fact that how much of that scenario was ripe for this kind of activity because of an unhealthy patriarchal dominance that and I say unhealthy because you can have a family choose to have a structure that has patriarchal hierarchy and it's not domineering it's it's it's just built on a mutual understanding of each other and in fact it's done in a way where the the man is actually doing something of service and doesn't lord it over people unfortunately that is not the norm usually patriarchy is what it is it's it's awful yeah but incredibly thought-provoking I think it's an important event to note to place I enjoyed it was it was a nice change of pace yeah obviously just just doing a movie review and the fitting for October really yeah it is right um it's because it's like we don't have to look at this in terms of being as critical of a film as we normally are in terms of like we don't have a judge any acting we don't have to do anything like that I mean there was technically there was some acting people re-creating certain events yeah but that's not really what we're talking about and there's like not like a written story there's outside of just what exactly happened right um so it was nice to actually sit down and watch I love watching documentaries yeah I think there's so interesting especially like crime documentaries yeah there's I think everyone loves a good crime documentary yeah especially one that's a mystery that you have to kind of figure out yeah because it goes right it's why people love watching anything is that we we want to know in the human condition are we normal and what's abnormal and where do I fall in that category and when something happens outside that realm it's really intriguing it's to figure out what is it that caused a human being to to do that whether they're the victim or they're the perpetrator the documentary is almost always touched on those aspects of what would it have been like to have been somebody that that happened to or some could I potentially do that what are the signals is there's somebody I know that lives next door to me that could do that yeah yeah it's crazy crazy um so uh let's know what you thought about this uh and you're the thoughts on because I you know exactly what happened if they if there was stuff that was left out I have no clue uh but let us know your thoughts and what should be our next documentary yeah and I was down that road now I did it down that road and then know how to review it uh let us know what the next one should be down below