 Big shit, big shit, big shit, huh. Name another podcast like this. Check it, check it, check it. It's a unique house. This your boy, E-C-E-O, and I'm here with the lovely official, Ms. Jamaica. What's going on? None of my dad walk on. Man, hey man, we got a guy today, man. Hey, slow but go. This dude is here, man. You know, a lot of people. Hey man, are we glad that we could get him here, man. He a busy man. You know, he all in ATL. This guy here, I've heard about him, man. I couldn't never get to meet him, man. But he here now. Man, my boy Dizzy Normans in the building. What's going on? What's the deal? What's going on? Man, just happy to have you, brother. You know what I'm saying? Happy to be here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, you've been heavy on my mind since I was supposed to get you a while back. And I was like, man, where's this guy at? He busy. I said, they say, oh, is he in DC? Is he in Vegas? You know what I'm talking about? Where is my guy at? And just so happened, you showed up today, man. Thank you, though. No, for sure. Thank you for coming on Boss Talk 101. For sure. I appreciate y'all having me, for sure, for sure. So, man, just, you know, just, you know, for the people who don't know you, man, just give us a little bit about yourself, bro. I came in the game early in the early Boogie movement with the raw music as a hype man, producer, kind of live that era out as a as that. And then transition to engineer, producer, artist throughout the boom town movement with Fort Worth and the whole Taren County, 817, all the way up to, you know, working with Little Runny Mother Elf being signed under Dirty Water Music Group as a producer, leaving out my contract with them to now be independent and, you know, working with different artists, producing all types of stuff and just moving around, you know, from city to city, state to state. Yeah, yeah. So when I think about the Boogie movement, you used to be one of them jig and used to dance. I still do. You still do. That is a dance. You know, I know you want them dancing. I was at the club when I first seen this movement take off and I was like, man, it's a feminine looking movement. You know, at first I'm telling you how I thought. Now, don't be mad at me in my mind. I'm like, I'm gangsta. So I'm gangsta. I'm in there with my, you know, I'm saying my gangsta on it. I see the niggas just start gigging and doing anything. And I'm like, man, what is he niggas doing? But then I got mad because all the women started trying to holler at them and stuff. So I'm watching the whole movement going on. You know what I'm saying? So you guys definitely brought something different to the table. I tried to get them boys in Cali last week and we was up there and stole y'all's song, that Dougie song. I couldn't get them. But I supposed to get them next time and go back, though. We need to talk to them. And I ain't going to say it was really them stealing it because they was co-signed by some of them. Well, they said they did a little bit better. They were co-signed by some of the Dallas boogie movement artists. So OK, it was kind of like a toss to it. It's like a lot. Yeah, it may seem like it was stolen. But, you know, like I say, they got the co-sign from some of the people that was doing it doing it back then. I never would I never would have thought that, you know, I never would have thought that basically that movement back then would have turned to what we dealing with now. That's a long stretch, man. I mean, I could. You was in it. You posed to reason being is because, like you said, no one accepted the boogie movement. You was you was the street gangsta. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm looking at this is this is feminine. You know what I'm saying or whatever you looking at. You know what I'm saying? So Dallas as a as a city at first didn't accept that. You know what I'm saying? Because they didn't want that type of light shined on them like, oh, that's the dance in that city. They ain't got no gangsters or whatever. So it had to become what it is today in order for us to be where we are now to go. OK, now we in the industry now, because now you done seen the dancing. You don't see that we can make party club music still making party club music and influencing our types of artists that are in the game right now, making party club music. And we know how to make the street music. So now it's time for us to put it together and show it to the industry. You know what I'm saying? I like it. I like it. What do you think about it? What did the name did the norm come from? A digital university. It's a production team that me and my cousin Q Smith on the beat have started along with DJ Merck when they were working with Young Nation. And basically I've worked as a production under the production team, digital university. And so when I just tried to come up with my own name or whatever, it just branched out as digital norm digital norm. Wow. And I mean, you have a step behind that name. No, for sure. Yeah, yeah. You can't be digital norm. And you know, outside of my bed, not to even cut it. Go ahead outside of, you know, digital university is a deeper meaning as far as going digital, expanding outside this physical body that we have, expanding your mind, tapping into a higher source. You know, that's what going digital. That's what I that's what I stand behind outside of the music stuff. You know, so you do go back a little bit. You said you was you was kind of like backup type MC with Hype Man with the road. Spliff star. So you were kicking it. Yeah, yeah. And so what made what give you the audacity to say, I'm going to now do my own thing and start doing rapping and all that. Did you already have it in you? I did. Well, at PV, we were already a group. Here we go. Now, see, I don't got too many niggas from the prime time. Click on Bostock 101. Yeah, every prime time click nigga, them been on here. Yeah, because I come in with a tatted on his back. It's been some niggas crawled up in here and was like, nigga, I'm with her. Even had a female witch and you didn't even realize it. No. Yeah, you didn't even know that. You had a female witch that was on the click. It's always one. You understand what I'm saying? You boys got a hell of a hell of a thing going. Y'all, they probably got a plaque down there somewhere at that. Preview definitely stands and recognizes the movement that we brought to that school. I mean, don't get me wrong. It was things going on with that school as far as before we came. But what I will say is a prime time click, DSL, Mr. Rogers, DJ Chos, Bone, like party boys. Like we all created that movement. Who was the hardest? Yeah, nigga. Yeah, nigga, who was the hardest? You know what I'm saying? I was. Oh, yeah. I was. What? You know, you never make a lot of noise. Nigga ended up in my house. Yeah. You know what I was making? We're pushing hard. Yeah. Which one was the hardest? Was it was it y'all? Was it bone? Was it? Yeah, you don't want to say that. Do you? I just told you I was the hardest. You weren't doing nothing but hyping. Man, it still don't matter. You were the hardest hype man. Nah, if you hadn't seen, if you knew me on campus, and if you knew the movement, you knew the idea. I was coming. And honestly, that's a great transition into what you just said, like what made me step aside and be on my own is because I knew from that point, like, shit, I had it. I've been knowing that I had it, but I ain't gonna lie with the prime time click when we came in the game, it was a lot of ego. Okay. You feel what I'm saying? From every. Oh, I'm gonna get the dirty now. I think you're gonna tell the truth, Nick. A lot of talent. A lot of ego. A lot of talent. A lot of ego, though. But ego was very strong. Let's talk about that. Let's talk about that. We're gonna give it to them. Because that was years ago now. Now we can talk about this. What happened? You know, that's what Nick asked you. All right. So I'm gonna be the real one to talk about all this, you feel me? What happened? At that time, we was young. Like, Darrow was, what, 21, 22? Okay, Darrow was 21, 22. Okay. As a young man, I was expecting, I ain't gonna say me by myself, we, as a click, was expecting for Darrow and his opportunity to take care of everybody, and they be our opportunity. Okay. And back then, I didn't understand that. You feel what I'm saying? Now that I've grown and transitioned to what I am now, I understand where I was back then. But back then, I didn't understand that my ego was like, man, I feel like this nigga should put me on. He on. But he had just got on. He only had one song. What did he do? What did he do? Shout out to Darrow. Shout out to Darrow. Shout out to Darrow, man. That nigga went platinum. Nah, this, this, this is what it is. I'm, I'm gonna call it out like it is. Darrow always, Darrow always will call me for the shows, for whatever was going on. You know what I'm saying? Hey, pull up. What happened was it was one show I remember I didn't go to the show because I was bullshitting just in the streets doing some other. Was it anything to do with anything that you had against anything? You just. No, no, no, no, no, no. I just, I was, I was with some females and I was, cause I was young. I was 19. You know what I'm saying? Sorry. We had just came. We had just got back home. And how old was Darrow? 21. Okay. 21. I'm just saying. So yeah, we young. We young in the game doing this. We got to remember that we young in the game with. But what was Darrow doing? He was moving. He was doing the show. And what was you doing? I was bullshitting. Oh, there it is. That was it. I'm gonna get to it. Keep going. So I bullshitted. I missed the show. And so from when it's just like in any sport, if you miss a game, if you start, if you're starting running back and you miss a game because you bullshitting and they put the backup running back in behind you and he clown, shit, they're gonna let the backup running back play from now on. You know what I'm saying? So that's kind of like what happened. Shit. I got my spot taken by somebody else that was ready to be in that position and ready to move when Darrow was ready to move. So with that being said, it made me, I got, you know, kind of cut off. You feel what I'm saying? But when you got cut off, how did you feel about it? At the time? I felt fucked up. You cocky. I was mad. What's mad? Did you do anything? Did you say anything? No, no, no. And see that? And see that? That's good. That was the real G thing about me. I never went, like how I'm talking about it now, I never went public back then and it was like, man, fuck him, Darrow did this and I don't, like, nah, I ain't never do that back then. Now, amongst my peers and to my people, I might have been like, yeah, man, yeah, that nigga coulda did this, man. He know better than me. Whatever, whatever. You know what I'm saying? So. If it weren't for me, he wouldn't even be this far. Yeah, man. I was saying that. I always got to pull some shit out. Nah, but what I am going to say is that we were, we was close and we still close, you know what I'm saying? But even with the people on top of egos, it was people involved, it was different little, like at that time people didn't understand business. We didn't understand paperwork. We didn't understand how to get a lawyer to read over certain stuff. Me personally didn't understand how to get a lawyer to read over certain stuff. Did you sign anything back then? Nah. And that was another thing. I didn't sign. Like I had the opportunity when Darro got his deal with E1. They were going to make a primetime click album. But we had to sign under the same management and they gave me the contract. I took the contract home. I just showed it to like my mama and my pops or whatever. They was like, hell nah. Like they going to own you for hell. It was just, you know, but they don't look at, they going to see one thing and be like, hell nah. They don't need to do this. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, all right, bitch. So in the way that it was, again, I didn't have a lawyer to red line anything. I didn't have anyone to negotiate it for me. So it was really just like, nah, I ain't going to sign it. And so once that was another thing. I didn't sign the paperwork. So on top of me missing the show. You ain't signed the paperwork. I didn't sign the paperwork. You really was out there bad. Darro then was trying to make some moves and you were holding them up. Trying, they made their moves. Yeah, but you, it just wasn't, it wasn't a part of my journey. So when you first came down to, when you came to purview, you, when y'all linked in, y'all already was friends. You and Darro then? Yeah, that's a funny story. Let's hear about it. Darro came, I was a freshman. Darro was a sophomore. Yeah, sophomore. And he came to my room because I was a freshman doing beats or whatever. And he heard about me. I said, freshman in the freshman dorms, he make beats. So he came to my room. Yeah, man, I heard you make beats or whatever. This before walk that walk, this before everything. My beats was trashed back then. Like horrible, like no mix. They was trashed. So Darro came over, he, I played. I'm really in there like, yeah. Yeah. He, he just stand, he did, you know how niggas get their phone and they just be doing this right here? Like he, he doing that the whole time. So make a long story short. I played the beats. He was like, yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna hit you up, bro. That's, that's, that's dope, man. Keep working. Never heard from him. Never heard. And then that was another time I was like, man, fuck this nigga, bro. That's why I'm saying that. That's why I got love for bro right now because it's been times where I done felt like, man, hell nah. But then I have to check myself and where I'm at. You know what I'm saying? And like just, you know, just, you got to be real with yourself before anybody else. You know what I'm saying? So, but that was another time where I was like, man, I ain't fucking with bro. What brought us all together was again, my cousin Q Smith. Okay. He had this song or this beat that he made, do the muscle, dirty, dirty D town niggas do the muscle. You know what I'm saying? So he had the idea in his head. And he was like, man, we got to get a Dallas niggas to do the hook. Cause back then that's when the boogie was blowing up in Dallas, we was at PV though. Q Smith was like, man, we got to get something that we can get played and served. It's like, she was going to give it to Drow. Drow got the Dallas voice or whatever. All right, babe, remember I told you I was rapping at that time. So he was like, man, all right. You can get on the second verse. I'm like, man, I'm finna wreck this niggas. Oh, yo, I'm in a queue. It's nothing to wreck this niggas. Yeah, that's just how I was feeling back then. You feel what I'm saying? And shit, we did the song, you know what I'm saying? Q Smith jumped on it, RPDA, you know what I'm saying? Titty B, everybody. We did the song or whatever it be, watch. It got on the radio back in Dallas. You feel what I'm saying? And then shit from there, it was just prime time clip. Like, so we kind of, it wasn't, it was kind of like just something that just happened. It wasn't nothing that we just planned or nothing that we was like, yeah, we gonna be a clique. Like it was like, shit, from this song, do the muscle start doing this thing. It was like, shit, this is what's already structured. So that's what we gonna do. So do you feel like that song right there was the one that made everything happen? For prime time clip. Yeah. I mean, I ain't gonna say, cause it was stuff going on prior to do the muscle, but I feel like we all can agree that do the muscle was the first song that we had there. We pushed as a single and had a movement behind it. And we started going from, like I say, school to school, doing shows and it led to the walk that walk and the ice cream paint job and all the mixtase we did and all that. Where was you at when DeRose was on 106 in Park? I was right there. You was with him up there? Yeah. So you, how was that experience? Crazy. Who did you meet? I mean, back then it was who was Bob Johnson? No. Who was it? No. I didn't. Who was it? Who was it? What's the name? Debra Lee. Debra Lee. I think it there. Who the hell was it? Mona Scott wasn't even with him here. I damn sure didn't meet whoever was running B&T. I think at the time the host was, nah, what was the one chick? It wasn't AJ and Free? Nah, it wasn't AJ and Free. It was, what was the chick? Roxanne. Roxanne, Roxanne. Roxanne, the one that was dating Eddie Murphy. Yeah. Okay, well, who was going to know with that? Did you all laugh at him? Did you all laugh at him? She was cool. Yeah. You 1920. What's up? Y'all funny at this time. Y'all, what's up? What's up? What's up? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, for sure. For sure. So how was it though? How was that? I mean, like you thought it would be far as the way it looked. This is what, the dying for me, it was me trying to show Dallas Fort Worth culture to the world. So the role, you know, he had the voice. I had the image. You feel what I'm saying? So I had the Shag. I was wearing the- You had that Dallas Shag? Yeah, I had the Shag. You had it up there? Yeah, I had the Shag. Wow. With the part. The Shag, with the part. You feel what I'm saying? You know those came off the chain with that. Yeah, I was on the beat. On the beat. Matter of fact, 2009 BET Awards, there's some footage out there somewhere. This is the same year that Michael Jackson passed away. I danced on the BET Awards with the Shag, had the Michael Jackson glove, did the boogie, stood on my tippy toes like Michael Jackson and everything. They can't, it's all out there. You feel me? So you did it all? I was the image. I'm still the image. Okay, so you say you was managed by the same people that managed, when you was with Lil' Running in, was it the same? How did that happen? Dirty Water Music Group. So Up in the Air was a record that I produced by Lil' Running Mother F. I had a studio in Arlington. This is when I'm trying to do my independent thing, whatever. Had a studio in Arlington, everybody was coming to. Running came up there. We did the Up in the Air record. He gave it back to Dirty Water. They was filling it. They offered me a contract to be a producer. At that time, that was the best thing that I could do. Cause mind you, I missed out on my first opportunity with the first contract. So I was like, damn, I can't miss another opportunity. You know what I'm saying? Cause I ain't gonna lie. Even though I managed and I survived, shit was rough, you know, from the time, from that point to where I got another opportunity to do something. So I was like, no, I ain't gonna miss this opportunity. Whether it's good or bad, I'm gonna take it. I'm gonna take that risk. You know what I'm saying? So I took the risk, signed with him. And it was a good experience. You know, I ain't gonna lie. It's just like anything else. You know what I'm saying? Any other label, you got your ups, you got your downs, you got your negotiations, we gon' bump heads, but I learned a lot, you know? I learned a lot about- That's important. I learned, that was the biggest thing. I learned structure and I learned business with the music. And that was something that I didn't understand what I could have learned from if had I took my ego out of it. Yeah. Again, when I say ego, take my ego out of it and, you know, sign that contract, take that risk. Okay, yeah, maybe I'm not in the forefront. Maybe I'm not the star, but I'm right there. I'm learning, I'm meeting certain people. I'm getting certain resources and context and stuff like that, you know? Sometimes that stuff is more important than being the person that's in front of the camera. For sure. And so, it's a lot of the times that's more important. So, you know, I just, at that point, I took that as that opportunity to say, okay, I'ma get in the game and see who I meet. You know, I met a lot of people. Shout out Troy Marshall. He wanted a radio rips that works, you know, all the Texas radio, Texas artists, and radio over, you know, all the nations, I mean, all the whole nation or whatever. But I met a lot of people. It was a good experience. Me and running down. How far off was it from dealing with the role in him? It was like night and day because you was more seasoned at this time? Yeah. I'ma just say at this point, I'm feeling, I'm starting to understand where the role was at that point in time. When I got with Dirty Water, that's when I started feeling like, okay, that's why he was moving like this. That's why when I tried to do this, he was like, I don't know. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes when you sign certain paperwork and you're young and you're not paying attention to it, you lose control over certain stuff. Certain people got certain controls and you can't just move how you used to move, you know, because it's structure. It ain't necessarily, you know, controlling or them trying to, you know, say, nah, you can't do this. It's just them trying to, you know, structure you to be, you know, a better artist or whatever. So that's what I started to see. Like, okay, dang. And again, like had I not gone through all of that, I would have not seen that. I would have not seen that. I would still be feeling that a type of way, you know. But you felt a type of way, but you didn't say nothing. That's the part that I respect and what you were doing, you know? Like your heart was in it to make sure that you didn't interrupt anything that was happening. Right. It's all a part of a plan. It's all a part of a bigger plan that's going on. So I learned at an early age to take emotions out of a lot of things, you know? We get mad. Again, it's our ego. It's all because of what I feel like. You're not gonna talk to me like this or you're not gonna do me like this. Well, when you take that ego out of things and you just be like, okay, I'm gonna just move how I need to move where I need to be, you know what I'm saying? Humiliate, you know what I'm saying? Humility, you know, be humble. You feel what I'm saying? That's what's gonna get you into the position that you're supposed to be in when you're supposed to be in that position. But, you know, it all comes with time. I'm just tripping on what your mama said when DeRoe was doing this stuff. Yeah, you know, mama and him be having a different outlook on what's going on. See, look, she just said something the other day. Mama and him gonna be like, man, what? You went down there. You was a part of that. Now, what happened? Look, my mom just, I'm gonna say this. My mom just said something the other day We dropped a clip for that, um, the Cowboy song. Yeah, the Cowboy is the one he about to drop. I see, I heard that a little bit. Yeah, um, my mom, when she was like, yeah, I heard the song, tell DeRoe don't be on no bullshit. Ooh! See, mama ain't gonna be trying to hear it. Mama can talk to you about it. That's all I love, man. She just wanna see us, you know, just, you know, go up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm gonna do that regardless. That's what mamas don't understand sometimes. Like, regardless, it ain't about DeRoe where he got going. That's my boy, I love him. He doing his thing. Man, you've been in this game not so long. You've matured in it and you understand, you know, the ins and outs and what it takes and what you done wrong. And even some of the things that he may have done wrong that now he sees it, you know, all of y'all elevated and evolved from a place where, you know, nobody does it like that. Right. You know, you haven't seen nobody else come from out of that era or even in this era and do what you guys done. Now they can never do it because the times have changed so much. Right. So you don't even have to worry about them breaking your dance records, none of that. Because yeah, you were jigging with it. You had, if you had that cut. No, I for so. I know what you were giving them boys. I for so, I for so, and we're still right now on a good day, on a bad day, I'ma hit it. For so long. Really? Yeah. So you just mastered the art of a gig. It's just in me. It's just in me already. So let's talk about, did you know him today? You're producing, you're making music. So I tried to go in and look for a lot of the music, didn't I? I couldn't find it. You couldn't find it. So I was, I couldn't find it. You couldn't find new. New. I found the man in fresh, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, so the last record that I put out as an artist was back in 2016. See what I'm saying? Yeah. What's up with that? And the reason being, I fell back from an artist because in 2016, if y'all remember, we got real dark, niggas start painting their nails and coloring their hair. And now you talk about feminine, you talk about the booty being feminine, nigga. That's real feminine right there. Yeah, when you talking about when Lil Uzi verse start doing this right here, I wasn't feeling it, no shoulders or nothing. I wasn't talking about Lil Uzi verse, you lose it in that shoulder. I couldn't do it. You had to be, you had to be on that line in order to be considered, you know. But how old is Lil Uzi? I don't know. You see what I'm saying? And how old are you? Now you looking at him the way. Nah, I'm looking at what the industry. Not him, but I'm looking at just what everybody doing. I was looking at the industry. Lil Pump. Lil Pump. I'm looking at what the industry was putting out there in front of everybody's face. Young thugger. All of that. You feel me? All of that. It was a point in time. It was one dude that had a video where he just had a wedding dress on with a chopper and he rapping and stuff. You know what I'm saying? It was a point in time where everybody felt like that's what you had to do in order to be seen or to be heard. You had to do just something crazy, you know? And I wasn't with that. I'm too, so what I'm saying? So as an artist, I stepped back as an artist and I became more of a, well I became the producer. I've always produced in May Bees, but I just stepped into that role. That's one thing about me. It's just like an athlete on the football team. You gotta be able to, if I could play quarterback, I could play receive, I could play running back, I could play corner, safety. You know, it don't matter. If you put me on the field wherever, I just know the game. You all have a high IQ of the game, so I can be anywhere on the field and play any position. But that's where it made me step back and become more of a producer at that time. And then up in the air, I started going, I started doing, I was running with a little runny, you know, he was the artist. I'm always, you know, a part of the team, like, okay, you gonna be the running back? I bet I'll be the fullback, I'll block. You know what I'm saying? Like that's just, that's my character. So that's what I was doing as a producer when I was working with a little runny, like, shit, you gonna be Batman and I'll be Robin. Well, not Robin there, cause Robin tripping. Nah, we ain't gonna win. We don't wanna be Robin. I don't care, I don't care. I don't care, I don't care. I don't care, I don't care. I don't care, I don't care. You need this while, man. You know what I'm saying? Nobody said nothing. And don't care for me. Nobody said nothing. I'm not in it. I know what's going on. I seen what happened with the baby and all that. Look man. Hey, I ain't said nothing either, but I'm just saying. I'm checking, man. So how do you feel about what's going on? I mean, Boosi stepped up. He said what he said about it. I mean, far as, you know, the way that, yeah, you done put that in the air now. We gotta clean this up. So, you know, Boosi said what he said about it, you know, the way they was counter-counseling out the baby. What did you think about that whole statement he made and what the baby done? What did Boosi say? I think Boosi was like, you know, he just gave a, I had posted it. He just gave a statement like, you know what I'm saying? It's something else about man trying to be, you know, we can't, you know, it's almost like it's a negative thing to be straight. Pretty much was where he was coming from with it. Yeah. And I'm paraphrasing, but you know, you know. I'm saying was he, he was siding with the baby? Of course. Of course. Well, who side you on? Nah, I'm this, this, I'm, no, no, no, no, no. Nah. See, I went, see man, how you put on here. You on, you know what I mean? Nah, this, this, the side I'm on, I'm on, I'm on the straight side, you feel what I'm saying? Okay, okay. I'm straight prior for sure. Okay. You feel me? But what I understand is, is the world is going through a transition phase. Okay. Me personally, I might not accept it just like it's certain things that we are doing to date it. Our grandparents wouldn't accept that we doing it. You know what I'm saying? So I might not accept it, but man, I hate to say it, it's a transition of the world. Like y'all, we're gonna see a lot more of this shit, bro. So it's just like, I mean, you know, you can say what you wanna say, but it's gonna happen with or without you. I think there's a lot of things going on, not just that one thing, you know. I think a lot of times we put our eyesight on just one thing, but there's evil going on in all corners of this earth, you know what I mean? So it ain't just one thing. And I think that's where we mess up a lot of times is the balancing that we do. We wanna weigh heavy on one one ordeal and then lessen the heaviness on another when they all pretty much amount to the same thing. So we just gotta be careful how we deal with people as they evolve into whatever God is gonna have them to be. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, pay me for that. I'll put you out there. You were down in the dry. No, man, I just see, like I said, I see the world for what it is, man. I don't judge nobody, y'all do y'all thing. You feel me? It ain't got nothing to do with me. I'm not partaking in nothing. So, you know, that's you, that's your business. You feel me? And I just understand, again, that the world, it's a lot that is changing in the world right now. Not just that, it's, man, we, the vaccines, all that type of stuff. Well, you wanna talk about the vaccine? Just go on and see it. Let's talk about it. I mean, Wendy, did you take your shot or do you believe in the shot or do you fit? I mean, now that, what's that? What you trying to do? That's confidential. You don't want to speak on it. Didn't I sign some paperwork or was that a little confidential? Some paperwork, yeah. No, I'm just saying, your views on it? This is my view, again, whether you do it, whether you don't do it, that it's just another way to separate the world, I think. I think people are starting to come together outside of race. We are starting to come together as a whole. And so they're trying to find a new way to separate us, again, as people, you know, oh, I'm the vaccinated and they, you know, it's just another way to separate us. We gotta fight through all of that. I like that. And we gotta stay together because as we see, the more that we come together, the more that, you know, things get done and they see that, you know, so we can't let that power, you know, break us up. You feel me? Yeah, I know, I agree 100%, man. We gotta try to find some way to unify, right? That, that, that. If we don't, then we, a divided house can't stand. Can't stand at all. I agree with that 100%. Yeah, and fear is the biggest tool that- Fear is something that I've been working with. A lot of people that come on this panel that we ask if they go back. I always ask people, if you could go back to your younger self, what would you tell yourself? And a lot of times that answer would be, Don't be scared. Don't, you know, don't fear. Because fear helped me back because I didn't sign them papers. You see what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, there's stuff like that that you have to, you know, fear is a big thing. Fear is the big, one of the biggest tools that the enemy uses against us to block us from our goal and where we, where we go. Every morning you wake up, you already set out on what you wanna do and where you wanna be. And you got that goal. But the only thing that slows you down is the hesitation, the fear of what can, this might happen. Or if I do take this risk, I might lose some money. It's just always something with some type of fear. But when you take that fear out of it and you just again move with the spirit, you end up where you need to be because this is gonna happen regardless. It's just about how long it's gonna take to happen. You feel what I'm saying? 100%. So that's one thing that we have to see that is going on. The fear is being used to hold us back from our full potential. And once everyone can reach their full potential, that's the power that's waiting on us. It's a collective consciousness. It's a collective mind of people being on the same wavelength, on the same frequency and understanding. We gotta move in a certain direction. And once it gets to that point, that's when we'll elevate, you know what I'm saying? But that's what we're fighting against right now. That elevation that's trying to start. But fear also goes with lack of knowledge too because sometimes if you don't research and you don't know, that's when you're fearful because you don't know what the outcome is. But if you actually do your research and learn the avenues in which you should take, then you'll move more confidently, you know what I mean? That's why they try to keep us confined. That's why niggas scared to leave the hood. You feel me? That knowledge is outside the hood but they put so much around it to make when I step outside the hood, ooh shit, I don't wanna get outside the hood. Let me go back, let me go back over here. And that's the fear that they use it whether it whatever it is, they keep us confined in certain mind frames to make us feel like what we can do is too, y'all know that's too much, you know? And we gotta get out of that like, because like you say, going and looking for that knowledge, even if you don't know, that's the thing, you don't know, but to go seek the knowledge to to know is how you elevate yourself. And people are having fear of looking for that knowledge, you know? But again, that's what we have to get rid of in order for all of us to elevate. Get rid of the fear and just, you know, just let the spirit move you. So who are you working with nowadays? As far as on producing music? You start producing in 2016, you went full-fledged in. Who are some of the people, some of the biggest songs that you've done and who are some of the people that you're working with currently? Currently, I'm working with a lot of South Swaggers artist, T.S.L. Vultipi, Rizzo Rizzo, Paiso Paiso, I've done, of course, that's my dog, D'Roll. I got new artists from Dallas, this guy from Prison Grove, actually, his name is Samo G. Okay. So that's like one of my protégé artists that I kind of work with. His message is why I work with him. It's deep, you know? And it was one of those types of things where he was just a kid that came to the studio, booked a regular session with me. And when I heard what he was rapping about, it just, something spoke to me, you know what I'm saying? And it was like, you know, you need to mess with him. So I ended up just giving him a whole bunch of throwaway beats. Like, man, these beats, I've just been sitting on, let me see what you do with it. Man, we made a whole album, cold. When you like somebody, I've seen that Zay Tobin did that with Flex and Fab. When a producer likes somebody, they'll give them stuff so that they can keep them working because they know they got a talent and they feel like it's gonna go somewhere. So that's definitely something that I see that other producers are doing as well. So that's kudos to you for that. So when you, who would you like to work with? I'm really open to work with a, as far as like in the city. Who would you like to work with if you had your choice to work with anybody in the world? I probably wanna work with Hitmaker for some reason. I've been on Hitmaker. Hitmaker? Ain't that the boy that changed his name? Hit the producer. Yeah. Yeah, Hitmaker. Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to get a top 10, shit. I'm trying to get a hit record, yeah. Yeah, yeah, no, I get it. Yeah, I'll probably work with Hitmaker as a producer on some collab. And DJ Mustard, I like DJ Mustard too. You like Mustard? Yeah. And then as an artist, I really rock with 21 Savage. Okay. Yeah, 21 Savage. And that brings up another question, man. Top three artists of all time did all that. Any genre? Top three, Michael Jackson. Everybody says Mike. Michael Jackson. Even which, the dark Mike or the light skin and Mike? Both, man. I came in at the end of the dark Mike though. Which Mike do you like? You know what I'm saying? At the end of the dark Mike though. So you've seen the dark Mike? Yeah, I've seen just a little bit of dark Mike. The Carol Mike or the Afro Mike, nigga. It's a bunch of Mike's, you know. I'ma say. Number two. Mike, Drake. You had to say Drake then. Gotta say Drake. That nigga that I've been working on. He's working on you niggas. Let's go. Number three. I'ma say Jay-Z. You said Jay-Z, okay, why Jay-Z? I'ma say Jay-Z because he showed us like how to go from the street rapper with the gold chains to being the corporate CEO but you still rapping, you know what I'm saying? So now you giving hope to 40 year old niggas that still want to rap. If they got that, if they got that in them. Nah, I'm dead, I'm dead ass serious though. Like if they got that in them, Jay-Z has shown you that it can be done. You can be professional, you can have a wife, you can have kids, you can have a whole, everything that you supposed to do and there's a grown 40 year old, whatever man, you can do that and still put out an album. So that's why. Jay-Z. Jay-Z. And one last time you looked him up on YouTube and said, I'ma listen to some Jay-Z tonight. I don't. Yeah, nigga, that's what I talked about. You niggas is getting on my nerves. I don't listen to it. I don't listen to it. I don't listen to it. I don't listen to it. You don't listen to no damn Jay-Z. But you want to come in here and Jay-Z, Michael Jackson and Drake. Michael Jackson and Drake. Michael Jackson and Drake. Yeah, yeah, Drake and Drake. But you ain't listen to Jay-Z. I have listened to Jay-Z. Not lately. I still play, yeah. When? Nigga, don't shut up and lie, nigga. Your momma won't watch this. You ain't watch, you ain't listen to Jay because he's a good bandit. What, he just dropped, he just dropped some. He just dropped, as a matter of fact, what he did on Khaled's album. Khaled, he did the song. You didn't have to, you had to play it too long to get that out. Talking about the other B, you know what he said. On the album? I don't need to take the number to get that out. He ain't be listen to Jay-Z, man. Shout out to Jay-Z, man, for being a business mogul, for being the man that he is, a good father to his kids, that we can see. We can't see what's going on. We got kicked in that elevator. We don't know. I mean, we all got issues. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? We just know that we, on the outside looking in, he looks as if he's a good dude, you know what I'm saying? And then a lot of people say, what do you think about Luminati? Do you think he's in the Luminati? Man, the Luminati, come on, now. Man, it's all, I ain't none of that shit, man. It's all the hoax. Say, man, so I can't ask you about it if you could go back and let that's over with her. So anything new, anything that you wanna, where can people get a hold of you? Y'all can follow me anywhere, DGNorm, D-I-G-I underscore norm, that's Instagram, Twitter. I'm on Facebook, digital norm. Yeah. And I'm really right now, I'm just, I'm traveling, I'm just doing, trying to get out of Texas and not to get out of Texas to like leave. You're dealing with us, huh? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're like Lil Wayne, when he picked up the skateboard, you headed out a different way for a different crowd. I get it. You tired of us. You don't wanna wear the haircut no more. I see you done grew your hair, I like them Atlanta niggas, so it's over. You gone now. We can just count you as a loss, huh? No, no, no, what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to just show, go show the world what we got to offer. It's gotta be a spokesperson, salesperson, you know what I'm saying? Who impressed you for a producer in the city that you really look and say, man, he's doing a great job? Not saying, you know, just one of the other producers. DMACC, DMACC turned me up. DMACC, you really hanging out with Mad Max? Yeah, yeah, DMACC, it's a lot of producers, man. But you came back. No, my boy She Love Bass, OG Beater. That's what he, it's a lot of producers out there in there for a word. My boy Focus, the bass lord, Six Seven. That's who I was looking for, Six Seven. Six Seven, then he showed me, man. I ain't gonna lie, he influenced my grind when I came back to the game as a producer. When I came back from being an artist and wanna step more into a producer, Six Seven got a good work ethic. He works with a lot of the upcoming artists he gonna find where they at, you know what I'm saying? Getting the studio with them. So I applaud Six Seven for his work. He got a gold record on a Kevin Gates album. You know what I'm saying? Wow, that's dope. That's really dope. And he from the ag, you know, I'm from Orleton too. So that's big for the city, you feel what I'm saying? So do you see with all the killings and things that went on in the city, you know, with the death of Mo3 and everything else that happened, do you see anything? Do you see it getting better? I do. Okay. I do. I see. City can come together again? I feel like, and it's gonna come back to what we was talking about, the dancing. Oh yeah? Yeah, it's gonna come back to it. That's cause you like dancing, didn't you? No, that's not. No, that's not. You wanna throw that in there like, y'all gonna dance your way out of it? It's gonna, nah, it's gonna feel good. We wanna feel good. My wife is Jamaican, you know, cause they dance over there. You niggas really don't dance like they dance. Now check this out. Now check this out. Would you rather walk in the club right now and see a bunch of niggas just doing this on some street music, or would you rather walk in the club and see women, everybody on the dance floor having a good time, dancing, doing all that? That really ain't no, that's not a good comparison. You said the niggas doing this. And ain't no women, niggas, niggas, niggas doing this. Okay, you gotta say the niggas and the women. I ain't nobody dancing though. Ain't nobody dancing with each other. We just all in there just vibing in our own little zone. We putting our drinks up in our air. Now dancing is good, man. Dancing is a good thing. Nah, we wanna dance. I'm trying to, hey, what's up? We're trying to push up on something. You feel what I'm saying? I ain't gonna do all that. My back will be hurting. I'm not a sweet. Nah. Say it. Hey, we at that party. Say it. But then be the one that you will remember and be like, damn, it was love, bro. We man, it was crazy. Yeah, that's what that is. It's gonna come back to that feel good music. Man, hey Dizzy, no man. Thank you for coming on the show, man. We love you, brother. For sure. I said, man, I'm gonna be looking out for you. Producing and dancing. I got that out of the interview. Yeah, nah, for sure. Producing and dancing. You gonna dance your way out of all of the stuff that's going on. And I want to be at the club when you, I know you gonna slide through. Nah, just know my energy gonna move. It's gonna go in, right? For sure, for sure. That's what you're gonna know. That same movement is going on with the beats, too. Everything, my energy gonna move. All right, man. For sure. Say, man, thank you so much, man. We love you, brother. For sure. It's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101. And we out.