 So I'm here at the Eden conference in Bruges and I've got two great colleagues with me here. I've got arena who's our Current president who's out going and also Sander who is our president-elect. Can I ask you first? I'll come to you arena. Can I ask you about your? retrospective Views on what you've achieved in the last three years as president So first of all when my Term of presidency started. I Had the perfect example and initiative That was started by previous presidents To Unbundle a little bit governance structures To reshape rethink revision The ways how we could consolidate better the community During my introductory Speech in Budapest in 2016. I addressed the community asking To support me in this matter and of course we started with the board with the executive committee thinking about new internal structures that would facilitate this development and this Reshaping a little bit of consolidated actions and I think that was successful because we agreed that We do it collaboratively Thoughtfully as always in Eden but always taking risks and In order to make the final decision we would Recheck Revisit the opinion of the community And first of all fellows and senior fellows so following these processes, I think one of the Best establishment during the last three years was consolidation of Eden Fellowship Now we have the Council of Eden Fellows. We have the board who actually Leads the ideas into projects and then calls out For community members to join The second thing is we Wanted to investigate what works in terms of application of technologies in education Which innovations that come from European and global scope Might be experimented piloted and then which experts from Eden community should be addressed in order to provide Opinion consultation remarks So we selected several of them that were in line actually we were happy enough to be a member of ET2020 education policy framework So we were in line to see how these initiatives develop like new formats of recognition credentialization of learning and how Eden Should position itself as the community of experts a network of academics and professionals to facilitate these movements So I would highlight these two Main streams of activities. I think that were the focus during my presidency and Collaboratively we did this I think in a quite successful step forward So Sandra you have some big shoes to fill now because you have to take over as president now of Eden And for the next three years, I'd like to know what you think Eden will achieve. What what what are your plans for the organization? Well, I've been happy to be able to continue what Irina has started because You cannot finish everything in a short period of time So we set really good path and I plan to continue with this But only and also to see as you know times are changing quite rapidly and What we are talking about today, it may be not be tomorrow, but with such a large community I think we have enough to see what's going to be and what's going on and even is quite solid And I think it can stay solid in a way that it takes what's the best and appropriate and Put it on the market, you know as advice as as opportunity together So I'm going to see that we continue with these initiatives We have been started and also to see how we can enhance the visibility of Eden in a way that What we produce what we gather what we collect is more available to everyone because today information is very much present if you have information you have the power and But what kind of information which information is good? We a lot have a fake news and things like that So even as a community can contribute to that because when you come to Eden You know that you will get good information from the professionals and in that way I want even to be a place where you can come to and Find the right information and we are able to collect these informations So Eden the dean Eden stands for distance But there is this possibility that maybe distance doesn't exist anymore because of technology What would be your views on the idea of distance education? Is it something that is no past? In my opinion it exists. I think the concept of a distance Transformed and Michael more I think was also talking about that some time ago now. We have other Dimensions of distance not geographical dimensions, but time occupation attention depth and different different other things that Help us to understand diversification which happens in the society and if we Support education organizations and education providers in terms of walking with the unbounded unbounded society members and Walking in the networks that are expanding self-expanding can the atoning into new structures I think distance is the right word. I would keep it So would you agree with that or would you disagree with that Sandra? Well, I think that we have to look today as a distance as something very present and part of our everyday life It's not any more something exotic. We have been talking about before It's like you are talking learning and e-learning. What's the difference? You know, actually this e It's just standing out as a fashion, you know, no, so Distance is very much present and we have to think about how to integrate All that comes with this way of education recognition Awareness of possibilities are such education. So This education is becoming the part part of net normal way of learning We do not tend anymore to go to the campus for example to study We like to do it from the home or wherever we want. So Distance is it is a name that will stay as a name not as as a way of learning Irina Sandra, thank you very much for your time