 Right welcome back Let's pick up from where we stop, but I just thought before that This thought of I suddenly just thought of this I thought I'll ask each one of us. So how many of us Have our leading a cell group or you have led a cell group before You know, there was some kind of a problem in the cell group How did you handle it? What did you do to you know resolve that? issue Maybe if anyone here would like to share if you have any thoughts on that How do you share because you know as a You know, I'm the life group. So right now. I'm the life group coordinator Haven't really come across praise God for that any problems in life groups praise God for that But how would you and I you know, I love what the Apostle Paul Does to the church and call and then we studied that as well last semester, right? He dealt with the problems All the problems and caught it. He didn't shy away from it, but he dealt with it. He Gave them, you know answers to their questions. He Helped them to get back on their feet. So I just thought maybe some of us can share You know anything that happened and how you were able to overcome it how you were able to resolve those conflicts Anyone would like to share any any problem. So if there was an issue in your cell group how Or even if you were mentoring somebody, how did you resolve that? Conflict or how are you working in that person? Even if you're you know working with them right now? And just so that all of us can learn together, so there were no problems wonderful you can move on But I just thought I'll leave this open Yeah, I I can share About two things which are kind of overall They're not like major problems with the people or anything, but this is in the way we organize the cell group This is something that I have learned one is managing the time. What happens is like when When everybody comes in we have we usually start with how was your week? How are things and we go one by one everybody shares and then we share the word and like worship word and then we end with a prayer now what I observed is very unusually the the most time-taking thing is like Asking everybody how the week was and the conversations go on because there is there are a lot of inquiries Which happened like oh what what happened to that? What happened to this and it's like one by one and by the time we go to the word and by the time we go To the prayer it's already late and people would want to leave so what I personally did was I actually switched it It looked a little odd not to ask about the week When they come in but I told them like you know we meet at 7 30 and we start with the word like we pray we start with the word and then we We complete with a prayer and then we catch up we do the fellowship. So that's one thing and second thing is At one point of time We had about like 10 people coming in and everybody had a lot of prayer requests and we we used to Collect all the prayer requests and we used to assign it to like people So you pray for this person you pray for this person and then four of four or five of them and it And that that used to take a lot of time. So to manage that I have split So if there are too many prayer requests, we split into groups like if we have 10 of them like I will say okay three groups You all three parallely pray for the request so that In instead of 15 minutes in five minutes you still pray for all the request but in three different groups Perfect. Thank you so much Tharun and thank you so much for sharing that Tharun. Yes very very genuine You know, it's not a big problem It's not like oh what you know, we have to close down to some spiritual problem, but it is something Right and what Tharun did was really good right managing and it's a genuine thing Right, so people come they start talking and talking and talking you can't say hey, don't talk don't talk wait We have to start But the wise thing was hey, okay, so this is what's happening Let me let's start with the worship word and then they can sit to 9 30 10 whatever time they would like to Eventually, they'll have to go home. So So, you know that that's good. That's wonderful. Yeah, and again managing prayer requests getting into groups praying now You know probably that 12 of them sitting and each person is giving like one or two prayer requests And then we say okay, can you lead these two prayer requests and then you know So imagine if each person gives two prayer we have 24 prayer requests So wise thing break into groups. Hey, just pray for each other Another thing that we can do as cell group leaders is tell them Pray small press right? It's not like we have to pray big prayers and only those long prayers with big words God answers You can tell them You just pray for that specific need If they say pay for a job Don't start praying for you know, thank you for his life for his name for what he's doing all these years No, we just lift up this person And this brother into your hands even as he's you know looking out for a job You will open the right to a simple two minute prayers and God is a God who answers those right? We don't have to feel bad by praying those small press It's just that we are trying to be more effective in the cell group. Yeah, thank you so much Any anyone else would like to share anyone else Question regards to the the way that I said it is It's organized with by my way of you know The age Differences in the group itself. So for example, you know, if you say 12 people in a cell group and some of the Families have Children who are adults I know about 21 or even above 18 for example and There are some whose children are much younger for example and therefore therefore they will not really be part of the core You know 12 5 10 number Cell group So in that in that instance There is there are people who are Maybe middle-aged or even older and there are also some who are you know in the Taking a point from past she says the last Class now they are part of the Gen Z which is you know, they are in their 20s so there are a variety of topics which will which will be viewed and you know addressed and also responded differently and Just wanted to understand, you know in just to confirm that, you know that having adult children, they will be part of that group. So they'll be part of the 12 and core members and You know, how that sort of how is it that kind of dynamics of you know, the of that difference between the age groups How how is that managed? Yeah, thank you so much Christopher very very genuine questions something that we at APC are You know working towards to help You know fill these gaps in the church, right? Especially when it comes to You know, we have the teens we have the youth and then we have You know those who are single women or divorced women So these are few of course we have teen church and all of that Now one of the things that we talked about is I'll answer your question. I just wanted to Share about this as well. I'll answer your question Christopher Regarding teens, you know, we were talking about this. How do we do it? Now if we started teen cell group now teens may not be able to travel alone to a cell group Right, you need their parents to drop them pick them up. That's one thing And we have youth cell groups, right? So so we have youth boys youth girls and Especially when it comes to a family right now, the family has one family has a 20 year old boy and Or nine or a 17 year old and a 17 year old and this other family is coming with You know a five year old and an eight year old right, so basically I'm just trying to you know Put a pain a picture here. So Christopher's question was how will you know, we The adults the 20 year old at the 17 year old me or 18 year old will be with the adult Group and they're all families there How do we meet their needs where especially, you know, like the Gen Z? They have their own challenges other person Youth there the 20 year old cannot Most probably won't lift up their hands and say hey, I have this problem Can somebody help me? Nine out of ten times. That's not gonna happen. So Christopher one of the Best things we try to do is firstly we try to It's happened, you know, there's a there's a cell group that just recently we started in Bangalore This couple said we have a 20 year old and I think a 15 year old So immediately I told this couple see your 20 year old send him to the youth life group Immediately I said that right now he can be part of it part of your cell group, right? but He must also be part of the youth group a youth boys group now if the timings are clashing I Very clearly said to the parents encourage him now again It's the parents who make the decision, but I said encourage him to join the youth boys group Because that's where he can grow Right now the parents may want the boy to be there with them Right, but all we can do is we can encourage that, you know, of course, you know being with the youth a youth boy being with people of his age Will make more sense They're gonna talk about topics and you know questions are going to be related to something around them now imagine this 20 year old sitting there They're talking about marriage He's like, oh man marriage Something I'm not gonna even think of right now. So he's gonna be sitting there like oh, when is this meeting gonna get over? Right, and you can't blame him because we have to blame the You can't blame the topic because the topic is that So to help that we are trying our best to start as many youth boys youth girls life group Now another thing that happened was there was this we have a youth girls life group Now she's a wonderful, you know, very fervent in the Lord grew up in Children's Church and You know just very strong in the Lord very very strong in the Lord very committed and you know has been attending a lot of these youth meetings are Weekend schools all of it and so we said you key you are you can be a life. So she's a life group So now she's doing her internship. She's just finished her Study, she's doing her internship, but the cell group member the girls who come to a cell group all are working professionals So she called me and she said, you know, this is the thing I I'm a Student I'm intern, but sometimes they ask questions like, you know, what do I do in this? You know the questions are more workplace oriented. So she was seeing very bad. She was saying Am I equipped enough to be a leader in the cell group? So the first thing that I said to her was you are equipped enough, right? In the word you are equipped enough, right? It's just that you may not know much about the corporate sector because you haven't joined there But doesn't mean you're not an effective leader Right. So you can learn from them, but what I can also do is we are Planning to start some corporate groups workplace professional groups and I think Tarun was You know when he was in here he helped us with these corporate groups and We were planning to start some more of these corporate groups So I said when we started some of these corporate groups, they can also attend that Right, but as of now you are the leader if you don't know the answer to say, I don't know I haven't you know, everyone know that you are not working But you are the leader of the group Just because you don't know one thing doesn't mean you don't know the others Right. So yes, there are those gaps Christopher And we are trying our best to start as many as we can so that these gaps can be filled And sometimes it's even now, you know the location Right. So if we look at our city, we have quite a few life groups in north South east, but we have very less life groups in west of Bangalore Maybe because there are very few people living that side of Bangalore Right and second reason and another place would be central Now a lot of there are a lot of folks at central, you know, the main city the heart of the city But we haven't been able to start like a cell group there But this is something that we are looking at Right. So there are there are certain gaps So we are working towards that Christopher Trying our best we are planning, you know, 23 we're planning to start some teen life groups Some more as many as possible youth life groups boys and girls to meet the needs of the youth And also women's life groups, right because Men and women separately, right separate life groups So yeah, so I hope that answers your question Christopher Oh, yes. I mean just something to add is that I think it's still You know Helps to you know to have The adult You know youth in that in that in that in that life group To give that give a fresh perspective to even some topics like like marriage and you know because at the end of the day, you know, they are You know, they are the families are coming together as a unit And they are taking back, you know inputs coming in out of the cell groups and then, you know Into their household and you know, they're not, you know, it's not like, you know One hour one and a half hours and then you know, uh, you know, you know, you You don't want to forget anything. So if there is there are groups if there are, you know, youth that are You know, in a sense Move to a youth group and then, you know, the the the life group is Is predominantly just, you know, the husband and the wife um Yes, of course, you know that that will definitely be, you know, quite, you know, husband and wife centric You know from a topic anything perspective, but as a family, you know, the adult Is now The adult youth is is a lot more You know, uh You know, it's supposed to be at the different things. So they give a fresh perspective. So I think it's also this is also a lot of Plus points and having that having the youth having the adult youth within that In that group itself Yes, very true. Yes. Thank you so much Christopher for adding that. Yes, actually yes because For example, like if there's a 25 26 year old, uh, you know, in this You know, 20, you know, you don't have to be 26. Maybe within 25 as well uh, and this happened, I think in one of the life groups where You know, this young boy this happened quite a quite a while back when this young boy was part of A family life group, right? Uh, and the life group leader was uh, you know In the workplace, right? So he uh, he was high up in the ranks in the workplace and You know, he would share about how he went through these challenges and that's really Encouraged this young boy You know, he took it up as a challenge to start his own business and to start his own kind of You know, he really got the practical help as well, but he was really encouraged. So Uh, I always wonder what if he went to a youth group? And you know, they were just talking about youth stuff. Maybe he wouldn't have had this kind of a You know that kind of a mentoring thing happening. So And to add to that christopher This is something that we are also planning in 2023 We're selling something called as a mentoring program Right now, it's not going to be You know very very, you know Guided in the sense that it's not going to be like, okay Uh, we're going to do it It's going to be very informal. It's not going to be in a very formal way. Very informal. So if there are people So for example, I'm at church. I'll say hey, I want to be Mentored by somebody in the workplace um And so they can give us their names and their details and who they want what they are looking for Then as as a pastoral team We'll try and connect them to the right person and they can just you know mentor each other So that is something again just to try and help fill in the gaps This is something that we haven't started yet, but we are going to start this year So hopefully this will again help fill in the gaps and in terms of discipleship and mentoring Right. Yeah. Thank you so much. Any other questions any other thoughts? All right, so let's go to the notes All right. Uh, now this is a little bit of a repeat, but we'll quickly just go over this Uh, your cell church is your ministry team Right. So again follow up with newcomers to your cell group delegate responsibilities Now one of the things that we do at apc is now when people come into church Uh, we have a three-step follow-up process One is called the welcome call where we call them We say hey, thank you so much for coming on sunday. Hope you had a blessed time We also try to find out uh, were they invited or did they go online and uh, how do they come to know about the church? Uh, that's something and we also tell them, uh, I hope to see you the next week So that happens usually on a monday or a tuesday And then we have follow-up call one Follow-up call one happens the next two week on monday Right. So we we we just uh, of course, we do send a sms reminder or a whatsapp message regarding church deep church Timings and all of that timings and location But on the next the follow-up call one happens on monday and we call them and say hey, uh, so We have this ball from apc Were you able to attend church yesterday? And now remember that we are a big church, right? So there are many people we may not Have met them or seen them on sunday or they may have just come and just you know gone away So we call them and ask hey, were you able to Attend church now you may have to respond one. They may say no. I could not come because I had some work Say, okay, no problem. I hope to see you the coming week You can give them details about the in the church and the timings and all of that Right. Oh, they may say yes. Uh, I came Right now, what is the first thing we do? We tell them so that's wonderful Uh, if you'd like to you know be part of a life group or a cell group This is something that we have you can go online. We have a list of life groups there You can think of it. Uh, and if you're interested feel free to get back to me Right. So you're just you know giving them an option Then at times we have now follow-up call three two Is you know, if we know that people are going to come right usually when we call them we get an idea Right, they say yeah, yeah, we will come we we like the word we like the worship So we avoid the follow-up call. I mean we do the follow-up call two But we avoid, you know, uh giving too much of you know, why don't you do this this now? Say okay, so that's wonderful. You're connected to the church feel free to you know, uh go to our website Look at the different events that we have we have conferences. We have missions So you can you know, uh, so basically we give them some additional details about the church We give them the website and then they can go online and look it up So we try to do that three step process now you can Have this process in even for the cell groups, uh, but then you can have just a You know one-time call or even a personal visit is something that you can do right so basically strategic follow-up Then you can so just go down seed projects Right, we encourage cell leaders to take their cell members on seed projects. Now a seed project is organized It's organized and funded entirely by the cell group. It's usually come completed one day. So it is basically a um One day of ministry now the seed project could be visiting a life visiting a destitute home children's home Doing a prayer walk prayer drive You know, uh, just helping out people In different communities now you can do this alone with one cell group or you can two or three cell groups Could join together come together and do this as a joint effort, right? Now when two or three life groups come together It's nice because it's a feeling of hey, we're all one, you know, you're not having any competition Um between each other. So you feel that oneness Then you have outreaches special evangelistic events that you can plan usually revolving around Christmas and You know esters sometimes that you can you know do that and Otherwise as well you can have you know, worship evenings You know Additional workshops that you can do so these are additional things right and one of the things that we involve are That we want from our cell group leaders is to involve themselves on in sunday celebrations. So many times You know Lot of cell groups happen on saturday evenings So they have cell group they close by about 10 o'clock and sometimes You may not come on sunday to church. So we tell them hey sunday church is very important And your presence there is again very important because you get to meet people you get to talk to people pray for people Um, and one of the things that we do if you've noticed at central is we do Invite our life group leaders to come in front and you know be available for prayer and so people can come and You can have their prayer request. So that way we're getting them involved in the ministry not only in cell groups, but also in the church right Few pitfalls to avoid right first one avoid shortcuts Right, uh, you know the moment we take a shortcut you may Feel it's a shortcut, but it may end up just going all the way around Right. There are no shortcuts to building a successful cell. It takes time. It takes effort. It takes dedication Takes the right attitude to build a good successful cell group right You know this morning. I was I was just watching this With my son, you know, we watch this every morning. We watch these episodes called. It's called super book where we You know, it talks about the bible and the stories in the bible It's a cartoon for for children to understand to every day we watch one series And in just today's episode was you know about moses and how the Israelites Didn't follow rules Because they didn't follow rules. They were going around that mountain for so long Right, and they tried to do things on their own Right. Um, so so avoid shortcuts just just Even if it's two three four people in the group Lead the group in the right way right You you may have this in mind. Okay. I want to have this live group. It should be a thriving live group But right now you just think you have two or three people Have that vision in your mind, but avoid shortcuts from reaching there One of the ways would be don't call up the other cell group Members and say, hey, why don't you come to my life group? You know, we we have this we have that no don't don't do that right? We have one Avoid competitiveness with other cell group leaders. It's the work of the flesh Now remember this Anything of the flesh will produce flesh leaders else. What is of the spirit? Well One of the spirit will Be a bear fruit Right, so avoid the things of the flesh Just just be there. Just do things Because you love the lord Right and because you want to do it and because god has called you to do it, right If other cell groups are thriving doing, you know, many Outreaches many programs You don't have to be jealous of them. Don't have to feel. Hey, we are not doing anything Work on it. You may be five people Go ahead and do it Right, nobody's going to say hey five people went on a cell on an outreach What will those five what impact can five people do five people can make an impact It's not only about the impact, but it's about what you're teaching the life group members because they're going to watch And one day they will become life group leaders But if we are If we say hey, it's okay They will when they start their cell group. They don't say hey, it's okay Right now you you are teaching them right It's like how jesus chose the 12 now the 12 people he didn't say Hey, there are thousands waiting. Why would I spend so much time with you 12 now? He knew That this this was important. It was part of the process avoid Careless appointing of leadership within the cell Right now. This is very important All right, can we also ask how will you choose the right person to you know fill in for you? right That's why you need to be careful appointing a leader Avoid using wrong motives for promotion. Right like partiality Don't compromise on leadership appointments. So check with your Worship, sorry, check with your life group pastor Check with your cell group members Look at the person see whether they're growing in the Lord whether they're growing in maturity Give them opportunities. Give them small opportunities. See if they're faithful in that then give them bigger opportunities, right? Uh, don't let the cell groups become a mini church service. We talked about that watch out for people pursuing personal agendas right now This is very very important now suddenly you may have A couple or a family come into your cell group Right now they come in ask them what you're doing. What what have you been doing? Oh, we were in ministry for the past 20 years. So what are you doing now? We are still in the ministry, but we're just waiting on the Lord To what to do next now first thing is I mean, they may have a good heart. They may have The right reasons for coming but Be careful right watch out Because it's 20 years here in ministry. They suddenly stop And they're not doing anything all of a sudden right now. What what could be an agenda? You know, it could be maybe now. I'm not saying all of them right Be starting an independent their own church Taking all the cell members along or they've been in ministry for 20 years So they are so used to talking they're so used to leading So they can't sit quiet So they'll come up with new doctrines new teachings new ideologies which Which can really cause disruption within the church And this is what happened in the church in tessala tessalonica tessalonica, right? What happened some people came in and said there is no rapture There's nothing and so paul writes this letter saying no there is this is what happened. Look at the Galatian church Okay, all this you're doing is good But you also have to be circumcised Right. Oh, so people believers are going getting circumcised paul was furious he said You Galatians you're doing foolish things because you believe not by Circum not by being the long but you believe because of the Holy Spirit Why are you going back to something of the flesh when you were born of the spirit, right? So be very careful on people who could be pursuing personal agendas this happened many years back when remember I was in mangrove We were a church of about A 30 30 odd people at that time 30 35 Uh now churches in mangrove especially were not Wouldn't grow very fast, right? Especially the english-speaking churches The kanada the other regional languages were growing very fast The english was not too fast. So it was it was the same for you know, all the english churches in mangrove they were probably about 100 150 was like the biggest church So we were growing we were about 35 And I remember this Person came to our church Now he came to our church and he after service I met with him. He said I'm a pastor I've come from Punjab and I'm relocated here to mangrove. I'm just coming to see the different churches that are there In the city get a feel of the churches and eventually You know, just start something here I as I was talking to I felt something was not right But I just you know, I didn't say anything but then the next Sunday He came with a few pamphlets the pamphlets was uh We have prayer in this place It was a prayer, you know Meeting so please join. So he said is it okay if I can leave it on the book table I looked at it and I said no Don't put this on the book table, right? now he is you know Has been in ministry for many years Uh, but I said no don't so he he probably felt offended. I said no because this is a church He probably felt offended but he did come the following Sunday and then he spoke to our church members He said we're starting a new place. We are starting a new Prayer team if you like to pray for the nation if you have a heart to pray So his target was praying more than you know Starting our own church now everyone like to pray Everyone likes to be part of praying in the you know city and nation and all these things praying against persecution all of these things So he said we are starting a prayer movement Chain prayers and all that So he had told our church folks to join in right because I didn't allow him to put those pamphlets Uh, but our church folks thankfully they came and told me they said Asked to this person He came and asked us to join the prayer and we were not too comfortable as well Because we have 21 days of prayer. We have things and we are part of this church. We don't want to go I thank god for that, but I remember telling this person See you you've come from Punjab But what you're doing is wrong. I gave him the book divine order in the city wide church and I said please Don't come back here Go ahead start your ministry You know may the lord bless you use you greatly first kingdom You need any help in starting you need any kind of you know assistance in a place There are some of them who can help you on that but don't come into church and you know try to You know just break the church or try Because but the thing was our church was all full of youth and young people So they were all like, you know, no, no, no. We like this church. We are going to be here But what he what was done was wrong. So I asked him never to come not to come back again Not to connect with the church people again And I gave him my number. I said if you need any help feel free to call me but avoid calling the church members And avoid coming on Sundays to church because if you're coming there should be the right reasons so It was hard right because he's a He's been in ministry for so long it you know I felt bad because he's come here to do something good. He wants to start a ministry and He's got a family We feel bad, but then the church is more important, right? There's a way of doing certain things. So So yes as leaders we have to make those strong hard decisions, right Oh in a cell group people from other Okay, I think there's somebody who's raised their hands one second Yeah, uh, sorry who raised their hands? Christopher. Okay, go ahead, Christopher Ah, yes, I just I just have a question over here. Um, we are with so many churches that uh, that you know Uh come up, um, I mean in Bangalore, for example, I mean, I think there are pretty few churches And I guess across multiple cities. I think there are a number of churches um Besides what you have just mentioned are there any other sort of pitfalls or any other? Um, you know, I don't want to use what tactics, but you know that I use by by by people who want to You know build Build up there, you know the membership of their churches I mean are there any things or any other ones that you that you think are that are happening? And uh, because I know for example in APC church, it is always mentioned in the Sunday Sunday servers that uh, you know when There's an announcement made saying that you know if you belong to a to a different church Then uh, you know, you can remain faithful to that church and only if you feel that, you know, my god is be You're bringing you to Uh to this church and you know, once you to make this church your your home church, then you know, um, you know You should consider it But um, but you are don't make the announcement So I just want to understand any other any other sort of Ways that people are using to build up their membership of their churches by getting People from from other churches basically. Yeah, but new members or not new new questions, but from other churches. Yeah Yeah, so uh, yes very very good question Christopher so as you mentioned what we tell people is feel free to You know come back again if you're already part of a church be faithful there If you looking for a home church come and join us and see if this is where god wants you to be plugged so But we make our first time visitors call we tell them we ask them Are you part of the church? And if they say yes, we don't win give them a follow-up call Right. We just say visitor and we leave it now when people Congregation people in the congregation decide to move to another church. It is their choice Right. We we don't you know have any we don't say okay Don't go you should be here only or you know, you've been here for 10 years. How can you go? We don't we leave the choice to them They may want to go because we must understand that you know, some of them like worship Some of them like the word some of them like community some of them want discipleship Some of them want mentoring some of them want, uh, you know more events in the church They want the pastor to come home and pray every every week. So there are different Needs or there are different styles of churches different ways that churches happen. So If people within the congregation they decide to move we pray for them. We bless them. Please carry on And we do take feedback, right? We it's not like, okay. You want to go go? No, we take feedback. Well, what is the reason that you want to go? And then we they talk to the senior pastor and Get those things off, but we don't hold them back All right So that way there are many people who have come and gone but when it comes to pastors and leaders Then because it's like, you know, you're you're forcing people within the church to come So what I mentioned was one way a second way is through life groups cell groups right They come into the cell groups Right, they they start, you know Saying, you know, I was in ministry They'll probably bring their photos some photos of all the, you know Evangelistic meetings that they have done And they start showing it to people or they may bring pamphlets with them You know, this is my ministry. Just pray for it There was this other time somebody had come with a small box offering box Uh He came in an offering box. He said this is my ministry you can give And the life group leader called me and said he what do we do? I was so upset. I was really upset with what happened. I said, give me that person's number and you know I did I was quite stern, but I made sure that he didn't come back again to that life group Uh, now it sounds rude, right? It sounds like hey, how can you uh, but I'm looking at the 12 people who are there in the life group Right and you can't come with some other pamphlet saying I'm in ministry with a box Saying give you offering that you can't do that, you know cell group Uh, the cell group is meeting for a reason, right and you can't just do whatever you feel like Um, and so we had to make that hard decision Another way is through now with zoom You know people are you know They may be part of our part of a church, but they are connecting with different things that are happening around which is all right, right? Uh, but now people can use even that, you know, this is our online Why don't you um Some of the other methods are the prophetic word Hey, my pastor's not giving any prophetic word. I will give you a prophetic word. Tell me And then they will give five six prophetic words in one day this to you know Feel them get them feel excited or there's you know, miracles that they'll pray for uh, now The thing is they can use all these things They may be the gifts of the holy spirit, but through them getting them to You know enticing them and trying to draw them towards themselves is is wrong If god uses a minister of god to give a prophetic word Let god be glorified whether it's or if it's healing let god be glorified I'm saying hey because I've prayed for you because you have got the prophetic word because I gave you Prayed for your healing. Uh, now you come to this church Now that would be wrong. So these are some of the ways that uh, and it usually uh christopher, I would say In in cities in urban cities Nowadays, it's not much because nowadays people are you know more open. They just say, okay You you want to stay stay good You're going let us know what the reason is feel free to go. So urban churches have become that way but when you look at um towns smaller towns smaller cities and uh In especially you look at north india. It's it's a big problem right people do that And it becomes a whole contention there's fights and And so we need to be wise in this way Right, so So those are some other ways a prophetic word a word of knowledge Or they'll come home for prayer Suddenly they'll drop in for prayer This happened to me many many years back where uh, there was this pastor Uh He was around our locality. He had a church And he had a kanada church, right? So a regional church. So uh, it's a small gathering But during christmas time how he got to know was he saw all the houses which has stars outside So he knows they're christians It's a star christmas time. There's a star. So he would go to every house that has a star Of course my house had a star unfortunately and he came home And he began to say, okay, this is what god can do. This is okay respect the you know, jesus said if you give water to Man of god, you'll be honored and all of that. So I said, okay Give him water give him juice gave him did all that And he started to preach And he's preaching and then I said, okay, thank you so much for coming. Merry christmas. I said, okay. Bye He came the next day You came started coming every day now. I have work Right And I said to him see Please stop coming. They're already part of a church and my I'm more comfortable in english than canada no You know, no hard feelings don't feel bad. He's a elderly pastor. Don't feel bad It's not that I don't want you to come just that I have other things to do And also, you know, uh, english is my main language. So I may not understand many words that you're saying No, but you're kanadi guys. Yeah, but I don't understand Uh, and he felt really offended He said you, you know, he saw the guitar and the keyboard in my house He said you come and play guitar in my church one day. We want to see your english worship I said, I said, there's a kanada church. If I come and do english or so who's going to Relate to it. Nobody's going to relate to I said, no, I won't come you know, so People can use these, you know house visits and all that too So one thing we do is we avoid house visits Unless it's really needed, you know, people who are Of course during bereavement people who have lost their loved one we go we have a prayer Or there's a house dedication. There's certain things we go, but we avoid, you know going for these House visits on a regular basis. So Just to confirm pastor, uh For for EPC church, uh, the cell group is is Uh, it's only for people who attend the EPC church, right? Is that correct or am I am I miss something there? No, so christopher, it's open to everyone right They can come but They are only going to discuss What happens on sunday So we inform them earlier itself. So for example, if I'm in the youth group Life group, right, uh, there are 12 of our 10 of us in the life group for example And I say hey my friend from work place. He wants to come Now he may be a believer or an unbeliever Right, so if I know I'm going to invite this person One thing I tell him is see this is what we're going to discuss That's not going to change. We'll have worship. We'll have this thing this the word and this is a discussion Is going to be that's not going to change You're free to come Right, uh, so yeah christopher, it's open right. It's open to people But we don't change the agenda on what on the life group whatever whatever we are planning to discuss all that doesn't change Right, uh, but it's open. Yeah, it's open for people okay all right, I think we've Uh, almost finished our time, but it was good good discussion Uh, shall we just try and finish this? Let me just check right? Yeah Oh, no, there's a lot of points. Okay, we'll stop here and uh, we'll pick up from Next week, right? Speak a note of that So pitfalls to avoid right we'll pick up from there from point out Right. Thank you so much. It was a good time of discussions. Uh, let's keep this You know this class especially let continue to have more discussions more questions Uh, and I enjoy, you know, uh, when it's two ways and other than just one way, right? Thank you so much. Have a great week ahead. I'll see you next Tuesday. God bless you all God bless