 Welcome to the Knuckleheads of Liberty. What's new at Braver Angels, and also too, have you guys noticed the civility getting better or worse? As far as things go. So maybe just a quick refresher on Braver Angels. We're a nationwide grassroots organization that is dedicated to de-polarizing our country. And we bring together people of all political persuasions to have conversations that are designed to facilitate our understanding between the participants to allow them to see the humanity in each other and to help them find common ground that exists. We put on free workshops that teach people the skills needed for those conversations, and we also provide other offerings that are free that allow people to practice those skills and learn more about polarization and different perspectives on polarizing issues of the day. The point of all of this isn't to change anybody's mind or political positions or values. It's to change how we treat each other as Americans so that we can come together across differences and better understand our problems with a view to finding effective consensus solutions to them. In terms of civility getting better, polarization getting better, I think maybe the fact that we've just been, you know, since we talked to you, the non-election year for the most part, maybe it's a little better than it was in 2020 and maybe a little better that it is going to be coming ahead with the midterm elections. But I think election season always makes things worse. In terms of what's new with the Prager Angels, we have been trying to make an effort to really get the message out. And, you know, we met at FreedomFest last year. FreedomFest again this year. And at other events like that, for example, the upcoming weekend at the Rotary International Conference in Houston. And then, Barbara? Yeah, so our biggest new initiative is called Braver Politics, which we can talk more about in a minute. But the other thing I'd love to share is that we've been making really great strides in our college debate program. And this is something, a program that Braver Angels developed that teaches students how to honor ideological diversity, how to frame arguments, how to debate and discuss civilly, even really, really divisive issues. And since the project started, we've worked with 46 different universities and colleges all around the country. It's growing fast. Just in the last semester, they did 27 different debates around the country. And these tackle hard issues. I mean, they've done debates on vaccine mandates. They've done debates on taking down Confederate statues. Some of the topics are specifically about freedom of speech. Students have picked topics like should universities be allowed to deplatform controversial speakers, for example. And there's such a hunger for this. The program's growing really, really quickly. And there's a growing list of universities that are wanting a long term partnership with the program. So we're really, really proud about that. So just out of curiosity, I know you guys were on before and we spoke. We had a very good conversation the first time. And I didn't ask this question. Where did the name come from? Braver Angels. The organization started out after the 2016 election. And at that time it was called Better Angels. After the Abraham Lincoln quote about the better angels of our nature. Just a second, Barbara, too. James, can you throw up the website too, just so as we're talking, we can show you, because it's a perfect segue. They got a picture of Abraham Lincoln right there. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah, and it was about two years ago that they changed the name from Braver Angels to Braver Angels. In part because, you know, in acknowledgement that in today's hyperpolarized toxic environment it takes a certain amount of courage to do this work. So that's where we landed on Braver Angels. Oh, I see, I see. You know, you brought up the debates at the college. And one of the things I guess that I'm curious about is what are the challenges behind that? I mean, as far as where the college is reaching out to you guys or you guys reaching out to the colleges and is there specific groups that need to be talked to, I guess, more than others to make this happen? I'm just kind of curious how the mechanics of that goes. And if I could extend, just excuse me one second, if I could extend Jason's question just a little bit. I think there's a very big issue of free speech on issue of what free speech is ongoing on the college campuses right now. So in context of Jason's question, how is that interplaying in the work that you guys are doing? Like I said, there's a lot of hunger for this, the program. And Braver Angels has partnered with ACTA, the American Council on Trustees and Alumni, and BridgeUSA. So those three organizations together have worked with the curriculum that Braver Angels developed to put on these workshops or at least these debates. And they work, they typically partner with a specific faculty member at a given university, but they really work with the students themselves to shape and lead and run the debate. So they're not just parachuting in and running an event and going. They're really trying to develop a cadre of students that understand and value and want to pursue civil discourse and really combat this sort of silencing of opposing perspectives that's happening in a lot of campuses. So you guys, do you guys ever run into issues of free speech issues on the campuses? Do you guys personally or some of the people who are working with you guys run into these issues? Because it's a big issue that's out there right now. Yeah, I think it's a recognition of what a big issue it is that has prompted the level of interest that this program has garnered. So when we come in, you know, there's a whole process for working with the faculty and students to develop what the proposition is that they're going to debate, to develop different aspects of, you know, who's going to, people are invited in to speak. And these debates don't run like a typical debate that you might remember from your school days where there's, where your score points and somebody's declared the winner. There's a structure to the debates that have people speaking for and against and participants who are listening to the debate also have an opportunity to speak after they've heard the initial arguments and they might, you know, speak for or against propositions or ask questions of clarification and so on. So it's structured in a way to keep the conversation going and to have a real sharing of ideas rather than devolving into shouting each other down. I'll also just add when we've spoken on campuses as Braver Angels and Massitors, it's not atypical for us to get pushback from students. In fact, I've had pushback from my own kids on this that aren't there some issues that really should just be off the table and you shouldn't talk to people about those things and people who want to talk about those things from different perspectives shouldn't get a hearing. So we are dealing with that kind of dynamic on campus and that's why we think it's so important to have this kind of program. You know, you know, staying on the, the issues of the campuses, I find it so unusual where these institutions of learning in a way you're supposed to develop your ideas and develop your mind and wrap your head around all the differences within our society and this, but this is the place, this is the center of the attacks upon free speech that is ongoing. So, you know, I really do wonder of the kind of work you guys are doing which is quite great as far as I can tell. I really wonder how you guys have been received on the campuses where these sort of attacks are ongoing. I think probably on campus just like in the wider society most people aren't the liberal but the loudest people, the people who are sucking up all the oxygen unfortunately are too often and so at the same time you might have people on campuses who are against what we're trying to accomplish, you know, with depolarization with more stability, with more open dialogue there are a lot of people who are thirsting for it. You know, when we go out and talk to people we really find we're pushing on an open door and I think that's probably the same on campus there's a lot of people who want this even if there's some who don't. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness always and forever.