 What's good? Josh the boy Ross back again with another video So we're gonna check out is the viper better than the legend killer man the two personas from Randy Orton that a lot of fans have Definitely grown to love or definitely like character wise from him. His legend killer gimmick was Fantastic him, you know coming up in the ranks, but his viper gimmick when he started Hearing voices in his head and and punting people into the next dimension in my opinion That's always been the best version of Randy Orton because it wasn't more about sport Him being a legend killer early in his career was about proving himself, but him being the viper ah He and the voices in his head That's when he was just sadistic and evil because he already proved himself now It was just a just a hurt people because he couldn't be controlled. I like that man I like that version of Randy Orton, but we're gonna check this out. Appreciate all the love It's my top ten all-time favorites He's always been a favorite of mine because of the vibe surrounding him You know at times he's cool calm and collected but in other moments He shows more fearing anger than almost the entire roster his characters have always been interesting to me because of the Different in them on one side you have a man who is extremely arrogant over Zellson very disrespectful Another is a man who's essentially saw everything and uses his veteran experience like nobody else He's still disrespectful at a moment's notice though both iterations are kill women and hate anything that has to do with legends And that coupled with orange intelligent and very consistent in ring skills makes him a favorite of mine Obviously not and I used to like his old theme music. Hey Nothing you can say That I used to like his old theme music man I ain't gonna lie to you Everyone likes him in ring because he doesn't really evolve especially recently what you rarely see a terrible match coming from Recently someone reinvigorated because of the edge and riddle store lines and it's cool seeing him team up with a man Who's the total opposite of him? So how does this go? We're gonna be both comparing the legend killer energy with the stash That's a oh Experience ready or the porn stash Randy or we're not there now from 2003 to 2007 along with a 2020 and on the other side We have the viper who is basically or in from 2008 to now I'm mostly focusing on his first heel run. You know the one where his bald. He's insane. He's all that We still talk about the other iterations as well. But that said, let's get into it So character amongst the greatest gimmick slash characters of the 2000s and the 10s Randy Orans has always been near the top of the list The both of those iterations excelled in interesting the fans and leaving them wanting more Legend killer in particular always looked to use notable stars as stepping stones bursting onto the scene in 2002 Randy Orans quickly made a name for himself as his blue chipper third generation wrestler upon suffering an injury in September of 2002 The rookie developed this character that was extremely conceited and self-centered with the RNN Randy network news as a platform upon his return. He was brought into evolution with the group experience change over a night Oran turned into his very arrogant confident and truly gifted talent more often than not he targeted legend to place them on this list It worked extremely well for his career and launched them to the very top of the WWE which is actually a pretty cool gimmick to really get somebody over you had him coin the legend killer he goes after legends and he takes him out and That's a good way to really get somebody older granted You get them over in a heel way because a lot of these legends are fan favorites and fan below But you have someone that's beaten the hell out of her being the hell out of them or maybe disrespecting them Hit him with a RKO it gives him that that right amount of good heel heat But he's still progressing within the company Bart many's this very day still one order with the burn of my light theme in the pyro to return Since the legend killer was all grown up in 2007. He transitioned into a cold-hearted viper Yes, the burn of my light theme song now is entering the arena to voices his talking cadence was much slower As was his entrance and in ring style it was more about dissection and since orange had loads of experience around this time period It made sense for him to evolve at times the ball headed Randy Orton was dangerous When he was bald It's like when you go bald and wrestling you just become more dangerous The pros unhinged and borderline insane as evident by his entire 2009 This man was kicking his boss in the head kissing his rival's wife Yeah, but teased out and attempted to blow John Cena up the legend killer in the viper do sure similarities I should know you know at times they were insane although the legend killer's case It's here and far between with the only sadistic stuff He did off the top of my head were destroying Eddie grills low rider and setting a cascade containing the undertaker on fire Who do I think is better? Well, this might be a very hot take but I'm gonna go with the viper Why the viper because the character had a more promising storylines and they felt a lot deeper now I'm not saying the legend killer didn't have this is kind of one of the things I said as well I like the viper. I like the the version of him where he was trying to kick people into another dimension Like I like that rap version of him that was the best version of him because he was so sadistic so evil and You just wanted to see him get his ass kicked But you knew all it would take is the RKO and it was all over or a punt to the skull And it was all over like he didn't care who you wasn't and that's what made him a such a good He'll character at that time and none you know the undertaker story was something else and it showed that Randy Orrin No, the legend character go much deeper than he usually does it perfectly suited Orin in the early days He was desperate to make a name for himself once he reached the top I don't think he made sense for him to be the legend killer And it was cool that he brought it back recently the viper. He was just more wild and unpredictable Now there's a reason why it's called bad It's a great thing that he transitioned into something else moving on from characters I'd like to talk about each iteration's heel side in the legend killer side or really knew how to play that role Well to the point where he was such a bad face his facial expressions were hilarious along with his random childish Outburst such as this oh and who can forget about the pose in him constantly undermining the likes of Rey Mysterio This man was always roasting the crowd asking if they ever talked to a girl and had a random outburst He'd always get embarrassed by the rocker John scene on the crowd would just lap it up with his goofy expressions It was something else and there have been many young douches that have come and gone in pro wrestling But Randy Orrin's legend killer was probably my favorite The giving itself made a sudden return in 2020 after Orin was desperate to keep edge away from the squared circle He's back to dropping women and taking out legends This run was a nice refresher because Orin had been doing the same thing for a while It was so damn good that most of the people I saw discussing wrestling Wanted him to be that champion you know in the past It's often a conflicting topic but here the fans are positive towards an orange And even now there's still people that would like to see Randy Orrin as a champion And I don't think there's a problem with him Maybe getting one more run with the championship or maybe even you know becoming a unit the universal champion at some point Later down the line, but it has to make sense because Randy he's done it all So is it's not like you need to have him at the top of the card If anything if you do have him at the top of the card it should be to potentially big up another star So it could happen. I wouldn't mind seeing it happening. It just has to make sense on how he gets the title That's all I'm saying Hytoring I play stay here because of the fact that it was simply the legend killer I was almost featuring on a vipers side, but that would have been stupider than raw 2018 He'll viper though was different. I truly mean this There was nobody like him on the roster at the time or despite the PG rating was a very compelling villain Especially because WWE was almost a kid show at the time He's pure evil with a bald look and a slow walk to the ring Hell's man even stopped doing the post for a short time period after changing his character Unlike his previous self his composure was at an all-time high and he always struck with intensity Orin was manipulative remorseless at times and just overall an insane person Yeah, and again I just like to say this his facial expressions and body language really added to this character one moment He kicked somebody and the next it's like he's in another world realizing what he had done and I like that That is good character development Because he was literally hearing voices in his head and the way he was portraying it like he would literally hurt someone But then he'd be like damn What did I do? I like that man that that That's the ring you're not I definitely uh Definitely grew that the hate would appreciate when it came to like his onscreen presence Was in every sense of the word heinous for this one I can't really choose the legend killer now basically be me trying to make the score interesting And she's got to be the viper orn showed more death emotion and fury than he had ever did in the legend killer run It's as if he lived and breathed as this sociopath who didn't give a damn who he pissed off from the likes of jeff hardy So triple h throughout the years orn as his heel viper is just always so interesting I remember he turned heel back 2018 fans were so excited to see him as this villain again because orn He just knows how to play that role very well his best year as this viper was 2009 He looked like a snake a truly insane person and was also unpredictable in other years He showed more composure and wasn't exactly insane But he had some wild thoughts in his mind such as ripping jeff hardy's ear off Yeah, he had another easy win for the viper in my opinion. Okay, maybe faces next But one area were orn struggles What I mean by that is he didn't have a lengthy run where he was truly a great good guy I've been talking about him His best runs have been as the villain the legend killer side had an extremely short run Which saw ran the orn show that he wasn't the best good guy orn did a sudden 180 and while he was still over Something was off at times. It felt tryhard-ish slash forced and even though he was fun to watch He was constantly losing a triple h when it mattered most and might then a certain animal had more momentum by their side It wasn't that rock 99 face turn where he was the same guy except the heels It was a full-on baby face and if all of those things I mentioned weren't bad enough He wasn't a baby face outside of the arena Some of the fans did turn on him by the beginning of 2005 if you listen to the crowd Things could have gone down differently if he were booked another way as to the viper Well, I'd say this was a bit more successful, although it's inconsistent now throughout his entire runs as a baby face orn It's been massively over. All he needs to do is go for the pose the second rope DET on the RKO This 2010 run was ridiculous from a crowd react and standpoint You know, not many guys that air of WWE received such a loud reception as the viper did on a weekly basis He'd go out there and RKO faces and heals a leg without the wrist tape Which I still find weird to this day It kind of makes me uncomfortable, but at the time orn really clicked What I really liked about this run was the fact that Orin had that PG stone cold edge to him in the sense that It didn't matter if it was a guest host or a GM. He'd RKO their ass. He RKO'd wing Yeah, and that's that's why he could work as a face He's always been better as a heel But when he was able to transition as a face it worked because Who don't like seeing an RKO? Anyone can get an RKO healer face and you know the pose the infamous pose like It just always those things that he does healer face will always be over with the crowd So he can dibble and dabble in it when he wants to Wayne Brady of all people Wayne Brady took a damn RKO truly a lone wolf in every sense of the word And after a movement to smack down he started losing his mind much more He grew that beard he started to drop Christian on a weekly basis and even lost the world title to him by DQ He also randomly did the splits Unfortunately, though the excitement would fade away after he exited the title picture and would just coast along for two years Not doing much thinking about Randy Orrin 2012 There's not much to say about it back to being a baby face in 2015 Orin was dropping Seth Rollins roasting him going on an RKO rampage and even infiltrated the Wyatt family To hit Bray where it hurts the most I'd say this was a bit of a downgrade compared to his original face turn in 2010 Because these moments were few and far between like off the top of my head All I remember is Orin returning at battleground and I'm not a lie to you guys But sometimes I actually forget he faced Brock Lesnar at Summer Slam Recently he's done some interesting work with Riddle, although I sense is coming to an end real soon Overall Orin has a baby face. I can see that happening. I don't know if Randy would turn it would make sense if Randy was to turn heel on uh on Matt Riddle and maybe they can they'll have a program and they can potentially put over Matt Riddle But you can it's gonna happen at some point He's decent, but we all know how good he is as a villain. He just knows how to play that role very well And it makes his face runs look bad for this one though. I think it's easy It's a viper You know, he literally had one run as the legendary killer and was so underwhelming and some of it wasn't on him Of course, but his run was so short that he turned heel before WrestleMania 21 And I'm not saying the viper was a world-class baby face or anything like that But it was definitely doing well in his early days and even when he's coasting along He's got some of the best fan reactions The legend killer on the other hand was getting booed towards the end of his baby face run So that makes it three to zero This has been a thumping, but trust me it is far from over In ring This is an area that Randy Orin has no problem with Obviously many complaints with Orin as an in ring performer has to do with the fact that he hasn't evolved You know while he is one of if not the most gifted wrestlers of the past 20 years Randy didn't really update his moveset over the years It plays his safe which results in a decent to good match But not something everyone knows he's truly capable of nonetheless He's very sound and perfect with the pacing and the movements during his match He knows when and how to do what he does adds that his moveset fits this character like a glove He's that slow methodical guy that solely inflicts damage on the opponent by dissecting them and wrestling at a slow pace Yeah, let's talk about his legend killer run first or in a such a young age Showing just how gifted he was in the ring. Obviously his third generation. Super athletic, bro Man was he super athletic? He's still athletic, but in his younger years Jumping he was just jumping off the ring off the canvas. Just effortlessly hitting boys with beautiful drop kicks So it's in his blood But this caught him to be a can't miss prospect He had this hunger and drive to show everybody that he's pretty damn good And he just showed a lot of experiences by being so young Of course, he wasn't as polished as nowadays But I really enjoy going back and watching some matches in the years of 2003 or 2006 Because this man was slowly focused on leaving a lasting impression as to the viper This is clearly where Orin was more complete. He was more experienced He knew who he was as an earring performer and performed it perfectly He has impeccable timing knew when to pick up the heat and in 2011 in my opinion at least He was the very best in ring performer By then he had those quick movements now And was trying out some new stuff such as the olympic slam His in ring psychology though is something else world-class quality, which helps his case Unfortunately because orin does more of the same it doesn't leave room for reinvention He just knows what to do how to do it and it gets the fans Poppin, you know, but among the reasons why orin doesn't do new stuff Of course has to do with risking injury It's best to leave something untouched because with this style of wrestling He could wrestle as long as he wants to as for who wins this tie Well, orin was much smoother and had more experience in his viper iteration I have to give this a legend killer orin was just more ambitious Yeah When it came to his moveset just to see how Explosive he was in the ring and it just came off like y'all I'm I'm I'm going to show you why I'm a third generation wrestler And why I deserve to be here and why y'all just showed me the respect that I deserve I like that version his moveset was so fresh and just like Like you can tell he was he had something to prove and there's nothing wrong with Renio and moveset now, but we you know, we know He he's definitely more about trying to have longevity trying to have as few Injuries as possible, but he still can pull out a solid match You know, it's not too many times you can say Renio and just had a bad match Like he can pull out a solid match Depending on the opponent, you know, he's able to work with actually a lot of different opponents So his time as a young upstart he really wanted to go all out There's not a problem with the viper's wrestling which you could feel that the legend killer put more effort into his matches It was out there trying to aerial moves showing more athleticism As to that his very best matches are arguably from the 2000s his matches with edge The honor taker cactus jack chris benoit on reyma serial I don't know it might be a hot take but I just like his younger self more because he was faster and showed an intelligent mind As such a young age Mike's skills more often than not, oren's never really been known for his mike skills Of course, he's solid in recent years very very good Yeah, he's really turned it around and turned into a strength of his But even oren himself acknowledged that he hasn't been the best on the mic Now though, that's a different story during the legend killer run oren showed confidence and arrogance on the microphone He has a couple of memorable promos under his belt from this iteration And I was always roasting the fans bragging about how he's young and accomplished more than they have and just playing his role very well Fast sports of 2020 and oren was hotter than he had been in a while He took advantage of the situation ahead and cut these very deep and emotional promos about edge and rick flair And this was a nice departure from his usual self speaking with those buzz words and whatnot It just felt more authentic the viper is where it's weird What I mean by that is he had a couple of memorable promos early on but after turning face, uh, I don't really remember much matter of fact. I remember nothing from oren in that area He was cutting some very forgettable promos, although there was some things such as this promo on seth rounds You know showed so much fury and frustration. Oh, yeah the promo he had on seth rounds when he turned face That was that was actually nice when he was talking about what he's gonna do to him Like how he's gonna get him back Oh, yeah, that was actually that was actually pretty nice over him in the way he spoke and made him sound crazy And out of this world Yeah, there's a couple as well But for this one I'm gonna have to go with the legend killer because he showed him so much confidence and had A lot to prove so much who's entering skills He was hungry and craving success And obviously I can't seem to remember much of the babyface promos from 2004 to 2005 because they're not memorable But other than that, he was a good heal on the mic It was very fun as well with the random insults to the fans the way he sold the baby faces is for response Well something else three to two viper still in the lead I almost didn't add this but felt it was necessary that being moments Randy Ornthrow's career has had a plethora of moments From winning the intercontinental championship to capturing the WWE world heavyweight championship in terms of moments He's up there with the very best from the WWE roster in the legend killer's case There's many joining evolution beating hq at the brass nukes Showing up against Mick foley winning the world title at 24 And of course the undertaker feud in general how we can add rated RKO to the list as well These are iconic moments. What does the apex predator have he won the wwe title twice in one night Punted triple at your wrestling 24 destroyed the mic man family turning on legacy RKO out of norah and evan borne The christian feud joining the authority super RKO on set rounds The super RKO on set problems. That was such a beautiful spot Oh my god. The timing on that was beautiful. Oh, that was that was great rip and jet parties ear A bunch of stuff, but I don't want to sound redundant coming to think about it I kind of did but for this one it was honestly a struggle to choose which one on one side Orin had so many moments that are still replayed to this day within a four year span On the other it's not like he didn't have moments. It's just they were stretched out over 10 years I went back and forth on this I thought long and hard The thing that goes against the legend killer's the fact that orin didn't have the gimmick for 10 years But that also shows just how good he was in this iteration to have that many moments So I chose the legend kill these moments shaped oran into what he is today And the insane part is he was in his 20s the entire time like compare that to most of the roster nowadays Obviously, ww was high on orn, but he was talented. You can't say the same for any of the young guys that debuted in their 20s You know despite showing potential There's not many people that have a collection of moments as large as orin's did in his 20s You know this guy has more moments in his 20s than a bunch of people have throughout their entire career So that's why I chose the legend killer. So is three of three and the tiebreaker is looking at him overall as a talent Once again, this is my opinion. I didn't want to get it to this point But it has as the total package Randy Orn is just there he can talk has the look wrestles effortlessly has charisma and of course an amazing finisher Both the legend killer and the viper suited him perfectly in those times of his career But i'm going to be honest. I just feel like orin was born to be the viper. Don't get me wrong He's something else is a legend killer. His archaic legend is meant to be But the viper was more unpredictable and had the habit of doing some random ass stuff Orin by then had perfected the artificial expressions and knew how to do all the little things right He reinvented himself and in doing so cemented his place in the main event scene Now I did have an argument for the legend killer now could have gone either way My argument for the legend killer is based on the fact that his very best match and possibly his best feuds Or during this time period people still talk about the legend killer despite all the work orin did as the apex predator And this is just that tiny thing But I just love the moniker the legend killer and if I made this video two years ago for sure My final choice would be different. So that's who's better. I I brought it back again Now a lot of you guys actually did think the legend killer was a bit better than then the viper The legend killer is iconic people still talk about this very day But I just think the viper is better for randy orin. All right. What did you guys think of this video? Please comment down below that This was a dope video man interesting conversation to have I've already said the viper version of randy orin when he started putting people in the head was Honestly the best version of him. It was more methodical. He was more sadistic And he just had this this control about him. But at the same time he would lose himself It just worked From my in my personal opinion, it just worked as a good Character shift for him. So comment down below. Let me know Which version of randy orin do you guys prefer the legend killer or the viper? Let me know down below. Appreciate all love and support road to 70k appreciate y'all kicking to me See y'all next one. Peace