 things LGBTQ plus youth edition. Today is June 17th, and my name is Chococerta. I use she, her, they, them, whatever pronouns to my right is. I'm Naven. I use he, him, pronouns. And before we start. OK. I will. Go ahead. Go ahead. Anyways, I would like to say a quick disclaimer. I was on another episode about aromanticism and asexuality. And at the time, I identified as aroace because I have a lot of internalized transphobia and biphobia, which caused me to just suppress everything and try not to think about it. And it was easier to just identify as aroace. But now I'm here. I would like to say, hello, I'm a bisexual. Hello, I'm a bisexual. It's a great start. Yes. Kind of leads into what we're talking about. Sounds like I said that. It's almost like I planned that. It's almost like you planned that. It's almost like this was planned beforehand. We're going to be talking about bisexuality and a little bit of pansexuality and kind of the two together. And we're going to chat about that. Naven, as he said, is bi. Who knows what I am? I flip flop from day to day. I've been saying bi for the past few months. I said pan for the few months before that. And when I first came out, I said bi. So who knows? Yeah. That's a lot. Yeah, isn't it? Yeah. All right. Let's define them. You're going to find bi. Do it. Go. Bisexuality, despite the prefix bi, which does technically mean two, over time, it has evolved to mean like attraction to more than two genders or attraction to your own gender or other genders. OK. Yes. Pansexuality. From what I can tell about pansexuality, it is attraction to all genders or attraction regardless of gender. Those are the two that I hear use the most because they're words. No one can agree on what words mean, especially in the LGBTQ community. Anyways. Anyways, side tension, facts. So yeah, the words mean different things for everyone. Bisexuality could mean a different thing for an even. Then it does mean for me. I don't think it does, but that's just an example. And I want to hear you, Rand, essentially. What are the misconceptions about bisexuality? I know you can talk for hours. Yeah. So do it. We have an hour. Go. So what I mentioned while defining is that a lot of people think bisexuality only means two. Which is just really just incorrect. You're wrong. So since at least 1990, well, so in 1990, there was this publication release called The Bisexual Manifesto, which was basically bisexual people being like, hey, can you please stop defining our sexuality for us? Thank you. And in the Bisexual Manifesto, I can't remember the direct quote, but paraphrasing it, it's like you shouldn't assume that bisexuality is binary, or that it enforces a binary, and you shouldn't assume gender is binary. So for at least 30 years, officially, I guess you could say, bisexuality has included non-binary people. So that's officially. There's a group of bisexuals sitting down in a meeting and sitting all the time. Yeah. I was apparently not invited to this meeting. I don't know what else to say besides officially, but I don't know, it's a very important publication. Yeah, so that's one misconception, is that it only means two genders, which doesn't the Latin root by mean to, whereas the Latin root for pan or Greek. And Latin and Greek the same language. I think it's Greek. Doesn't that pan means all, and by means to? Yeah, and while Latin roots are important. You guess they were Greek. The roots of words are important, but it is obviously common for words' meanings to change. It just language naturally evolves like that. Are you more misconceptions or just that one? You're more misconceptions. You just want three of them. That's for every sexuality, like for buying a pan. That's kind of like the commonality, is that everyone just thinks you want to have sex with everyone. It's fun, I love that. You love ace pan people to be like, what are you talking about? Yeah, so I think I'm just going to stick to misconceptions related to pan versus by or in that range of that, I think. That is the episode topic, so go ahead. Yeah, so, well, another thing is that so pansexuality is a more recent term and has been used more mainstream recently. And a lot of people advertise it or talk about it as if it's a more politically correct version of bisexual. I hate the term politically correct. I hate it so much, continue. So people advertise as a more politically correct version of bisexual because pan means all genders and bi people owe bi means too, so they're only attracted to genders, the bigots. You're a homophobe, I'm literally bi. And yeah, people just, by saying that pansexuality includes, so bisexuality could technically include all genders, which also, okay. So which could also- I'm just making the face. Okay, so bisexuality could technically include all genders, which is a point I made earlier when we were talking about this earlier, is that by, so, gender and attraction and genders you're attracted to, it's kind of complicated when you're attracted to more than one gender, right? Yes. I feel like you're asking me to say yes. Yes, I am. Okay, cool, I'll say yes. Thank you, you're welcome. And so because gender presentation is a spectrum and it's just you can't tell someone's gender just by looking at them, so I don't know, there's something about being attracted, so bisexual, oh man, I'm not doing a great job of explaining this, but anyways. I'm a little confused, but like keep talking. I'll get there eventually. I'm sure you will. Yeah, so, okay, so bisexuality. Let's use me as an example, because I'm here. Yes, yes. Bye, man. Hello. Hello, how are you doing? So I'm attracted to girls and boys. Love it. Love it, yeah. Off to a great start. Yeah, great, I'm following you, continue. Yeah, but I'm also when I'm attracted to girls, like while I am sometimes attracted to feminine girls, generally it's more I'm attracted to masculine girls. Not always, but sometimes. So, and generally I'm more attracted to- So you're attracted to masculinity. Yeah, generally I'm more attracted to masculinity and masculine people. So, non-binary genders. Yes. So you can't tell if someone's- This is where the confusion comes in. This is where the confusion comes in. Yes. So you can't tell if someone's non-binary just by looking at them. That's true. That's true. So when it comes to attraction for me, I would more likely be attracted to a masculine, I'm masculine presenting non-binary person, but they're still non-binary. So I'm not attracted to them as a male, I'm attracted to them as a non-binary person. But I'm okay. So I can't really be, so my point is you can't really be attracted to specific genders, but you can be attracted to specific gender presentations. Does that make sense? Yes, that does make sense. What the heck? We know, holy crap. Wait, that does make a lot of sense. Yeah. So. Could you be attracted to both present masculine and feminine people? Yes. Isn't that what bisexuality is? Or what people think bisexuality is? I'm gonna say things that I might not agree with just to keep the conversation flowing. Yeah, okay. Wouldn't not be what bisexuality is, attraction to masculine and feminine. Yeah. So that's where it gets into, it means different things for different people. So like, for example, let's take a hypothetical bisexual person, let's say they're not, generally they're not attracted to like androgyny, if that makes sense. It's like button ups. I don't know. So if they're like, generally not attracted to androgyny, but they're like strongly attracted to masculine and feminine people, or like male presenting and male presenting and female presenting. You could say masculine and feminine. That makes sense. Yeah. I don't know. And then what? And then it's just like that's. I feel like this is where the term pan can kind of get like would kind of be like, hey, there's this thing called pansexuality because it's so confusing. Why not just say everyone? I don't know. Everyone. Yeah, that's the thing. And so. That's what I did for like years. How old am I? For like two years. Sorry. Rad. Anyways. Rad. Okay. That's where like pansexuality comes in. But the problem with that is bisexuality could mean attraction to all genders or like all gender presentations, which is kind of what it means for me. Like for me it's not in equal. Yeah. You have a preference. I have a preference. But you can't be masculine feminine people. Yes. I don't know what that was. So that's where it kinda, that's why. Because if you were only attracted to masculine people and only masculine people, you would just call yourself gay. Probably. But since you can't. I mean, it's a little complicated there because like if I'm attracted to like, so like when I say masculinity, I mean like if a women, if a woman were to wear. If a women. If a woman. If a woman. If a woman were to wear like a suit or something. That's so hot. I'm sorry. I would think that. I'm sorry. I might think that's attractive. Because it is. I'm sorry. But like I'm still like, okay, but that person's a woman. Woman. The word is woman. I'd still be like that person's a woman. I'm still, and I'm still acknowledging their gender. But it's just they're like. Wearing a suit and they're attractive. Yeah. But like a gay man might not find that attractive because he's attracted to men. It's confusing. It's confusing. Yes. And that was a long way to get to a point that I'm not really sure I made. I'm not sure what point you're making to be quite on this. Where am I? You're not sure either. No. Well, it's a great start. Yep. Yes. Okay, so let me try to recap this a little bit. Bisexuality or no. Attraction you think is based on gender expression, not actual gender. I think when it comes to attraction to multiple genders, yes. But... What are you saying? You don't know either. No, I sort of know what I'm saying. I sort of know. I'm just not gonna articulate it. Okay, no. So I think when it comes to attraction to multiple genders, you might be able to go more off of gender expression, or at least that's how it is for me. But when it comes to attraction to one gender, like let's say I was just a straight up gay man. Yeah, okay. Let's just say I was a gay man. And I only liked men as gay men do. As they do, yes. That's what a gay man does. So I would... He likes men. So I might not find, for example, a woman in a suit attractive, because she's... But since you're bi, you can. Yes, but since I'm bi. But let's say I'm hypothetically gay. Let's say I might not find a woman in a suit attractive because she's a woman. But like I'm, yeah. Okay, I'm gonna stop that point right there because I don't know where I was about to go. Fair enough. That's what we should all do. Yes. Okay, I think I get where you're coming from now. Yeah. When it's more than one gender, it's sort of more a gender expression. Yeah. At least for me, that's how I look at it. And it also gets more, again, that's where it's like it's different for each person. And it gets more complicated. You said pansexuality is more of a politically correct thing. Makes me cringe. Sorry. People consider it more politically correct and pansexuality is more new. Do you think it's more, it's been popularized because of the internet? I'm gonna start with the first part of that question, which is, is it more politically correct? Or is it considered? Or is it considered? I think some people hear all and think it's more inclusive and then jump to it's more politically correct. And then, or they might not jump to pansexual, pansexual is more politically correct, but they look at bi and they're like, oh, only two, isn't that a little exclusive or something like that? You're continuing the gender binary. Yes, yes, upholding the gender binary. I've heard that so much. On the internet? On the internet, yes. On the internet, we love the internet. Never in person, partially, because no one's gonna harass a 15-year-old. I'll harass you. I'll harass you, you're old. Thank you. You're welcome. So, is it more politically correct? I've seen a lot of, okay, what's it gonna say? I've seen a lot of cis people saying that. They're saying that because they're like, oh, I've found a trans person attractive before. That's not the best, because trans men are still a man. Yeah, yeah, no, if, That's not the best. Yeah, no. So, it's like some people will consider pansexual to be, oh, I'm attracted to men and women, and trans men and trans women and non-binary people. And, see, I think, sorry, I interrupted you over there. I did a lot. It's okay. If they had just said men, women and non-binary people, that wouldn't be a problem. But since they're separating trans men from cis men, and they're both just men, that's a problem. And the same with trans women, obviously, that's a problem. And it's honestly kind of icky and gross. Icky. It's icky. It's icky. Yeah. This is so cute. It's icky. Thank you. You're welcome. Yeah, I wouldn't want to date someone who's like, oh yeah, I date, let's say it's a gay man, who I might be interested in. I wouldn't want to date him if he was like, oh, I date cis men and trans men, cause that would be weird. Cause like, he's looking at me and not seeing me as a- You. Yeah, as like, me or as a man or something like that. It's cause you're a boy. Well, yeah. It's cause you were 15 when you were a child. Cause I'm 15. But like- Can you say the word icky? I feel like if I was an adult, or if he was like, oh yeah, I date boys and trans boys, that would be weird. Yeah. That's up already. Yeah. But what is it, has it been popularized through the internet? The term pants actually. Do you like, I- I was the word. Attribute. Attribute, it's popularity. Attribute, attribute, attribute. Attribute, I think. Anyways. Are they different words? I don't know. I think attribute has to do with features. I don't know. Attribute. The popularity of the term pansexual to the internet. Yes or no? Yes? Okay, now you're gonna explain. Yeah. I feel like- I'm mocking your cough, I'm sorry. Continue. It's okay. Continue. I don't know if I'm- Oh man. That's hard. That question, huh? That's hard, cause like I don't know. Cause I wasn't really like aware of the term when it started to gain more traction and become popular. So I can't really say- Do you know when it did? No. Like when it started to? No. It was definitely a thing after, like when I started questioning my sexuality. To be fair, that was like how many years ago? Three. Exactly, we're children. Yeah. This is a youth show, we're children. Yeah, so I don't know whether or not, like I can't write police day whether or not it was popularized. I've definitely a majority of the people I've seen identify as pansexual have been online though. Do you think the majority of people that identify as pansexual are younger? Yes. Just because bias are around for longer, is that why? Just cause people growing up who are older and were questioning their sexuality found that term first. Yeah, I think so, yeah. Do you think there were a lot of bi people who would identify as pan if they knew the term? When they were questioning? I'm like hitting you with these questions. So here's the... Here's the T. Here's the thing, I, again, I can't like say it, I can't rightfully answer these questions, I don't know, but I have seen a lot of... You can guess. I can guess. I have seen a lot of adult bi people be like, you know, pansexual might be more accurate term for me cause I am attracted to non-binary people, but again, it's like bisexuality does include non-binary people. So I think it's just like misinterpretation of the term pansexual. I wish there was just like a definition for these words, just like one definition. That would be cool. That no one can like argue with, like just the one definition. That'd be something that's better. And then, okay, we're talking a little bit about the internet. And I have a term that I'm gonna bring up for you. I know it's gonna be... I know what term this is because this was planned. The internet has popularized a lot of these newer terms that are coming out that a lot of people are using nowadays. One of them is polysexual. You knew what was happening. Yeah. How can you define polysexual real quick and then you can rant? So polysexual is attraction to multiple genders, but not all genders. So some people see it as like an in between between bisexual and pansexual and polysexuals right in the middle, because bi for people who demean too. Obviously, no, but people who define polysexual do it, polysexual is something different. Usually defined by us too, and pan is all. And as we've established, bi is not too. So polysexual, not amorous. So poly... We already did a polyamorous episode. Yeah. From now on, when we say poly, we mean polysexual. Yes. So poly, attraction to multiple, but not all genders. Is that different from bi? No. Why? That's just my opinion. So going to it. Going to the show. This is a show for opinions. So as we eventually got to before. I don't know what we got you before. Attraction to multiple genders can, since you can't tell if someone's not. So polysexual is a term invented from what I can tell is if you're attracted to some non-binary genders, but not all. So, that's a whole other thing. So... I'll talk about that later. So let's say, I'm just gonna use... You can use me as an example if you want. You as an example? Not yourself out. Okay. Let's say you are a polysexual individual. Polysexual. God, I hate this retainer. Anyways, so let's say you're attracted to men, women, Agender, Agender people, and Demi boys. I don't know. Something like that. Terms, just terms, got it. So, first off, can you tell if someone's Agender by looking at them? No. Exactly. So already there's problems. See, I won't, you look at that. Yeah. Say you are an Agender. I can't look at you and be like... Exactly, right. Agender, because that's just not how that works. Yeah, it's not how that works. So that's my personal problem with polysexuals. You can't tell someone's Agender by looking at them, so you can't say you're attracted to multiple but not all Agenders. And it's also not different from by because by is attraction to two or more Agenders or your own Agender and other Agenders, which could include some but not all, I suppose. So do you think there's a need for a term other than bisexual? Do you think it should all just be comforted and bisexual? Or do you think poly and like omni should be comforted and bisexual and pan exists over there? Or do you think pan and bi should just be merged? I think, that's a hard question. I think a lot of people... Continue with those hard questions. Yeah. I think a lot of people find pan to be a more comfortable label. And I didn't really go into this a lot, but a lot of people who I identify as pan ignore bisexuality's history and the fact that it has historically included non-binary people. And obviously that's not good. They're just like ignoring a big part of this sexuality and this community's history in order to promote a more politically correct term. Not all pan people are like this, not even a majority of pan people are like this from what I can tell. But I have seen that before and it's kind of gross, honestly. So back to the question, do I? Do I? And it's the same with other terms is that people identify with them because it just seems like they don't have like a real understanding of bisexuality. So do I think they should be grouped together? Do you think the other terms are even necessary? Do I think they're necessary? Yes or no? Yes and no. What does that mean? I'm about to get into that. Who is it? I'm so glad you asked. I'm so glad you asked. So I think that pan using the definition of attraction regardless of gender, which would be gender doesn't really factor into your attraction. See, I know that's your favorite definition, that's not your favorite, but that's the one you're like chill with. That's the one I'm okay with because it's different from what could fall under bisexual, in my opinion. Reminder, this is all my opinion. More reminder, Siri said a reminder. This is all me since a kid. So I think that pan could potentially be a term under greater umbrella of bi, if that makes sense. So kind of like how trans is an umbrella term, you kind of want bi to be an umbrella term. Yeah and like a lot of other people look at it like that. Anyways, a lot of other people look at it like that, but I think polysexual is- Just saying it's bi. Just saying it's bi, and it also doesn't make sense as we establish you can't be specifically attracted to non, a non-binary- Non-binary attracted to agender people. Yeah, exactly, like you can't do that. Like- Watch me. Okay, like that, so that wouldn't make sense and omni-sexual, which is another term. I don't know what that means. Do you know what that means? Do I have to Google it? I don't know, I think it's like attraction to all genders, but I think it's just attraction, so. I think it's just attraction. Okay, so just these quick four terms that we've had. Bisexual, attraction to two or more genders. Pansexual, attraction regardless of gender. Polysexual, attraction to multiple, but not all genders. So, omni is attraction to all genders. And pan is attraction regardless of gender. What? Yeah. What? I'm Googling it. Who's a professional? Go for it. That's, it's either like attraction to all genders or attraction to all genders. It's either attraction to all genders or it's pansexual, but you factor gender in, which- What? Um, I don't know, honestly. Pansexuals can be called gender blind. They do not see or think about gender, whereas omni people, however, notice the person's gender, they recognize it, and they're still attracted to all genders. They're the same thing, but I'm learning. So a lot of, yeah, so a lot of people, um, oh man. That's what? There's so many terms now that I can't keep track of them. Like, I try, but what? So back to the question. Yeah, what was the question? The question was, do I think, um, do I think they're all necessary or whatever? So I think that, um, bi and pan, pan, if you define it as attraction regardless of gender, I think, like, yeah, that's an okay term to have, as long as pan people aren't just blatantly ignoring bisexuals history. Yes. So you think pan and bi? Pan and bi. Omni? If someone's more comfortable... Omni, it's just a big question mark. If someone's more comfortable identifying with omni than pan or bi, go for it, I guess. You know what the prefix means? I think it's also all, like, omni present or something. I don't know. Okay. Something like that. Cool. And then polysexual. You just think it's bi? I just think it's bi. Yeah. What I'm taking away is that poly and bi, same thing, and that omni and pan are essentially just, like, the same thing. Kind of, yeah. That's what I'm learning. Yeah. And it's also, like, whoever wants to use whatever terms is fine as long as you're not identifying it, identifying with it for a transphobic reason, like, for example, pansexual, because you separate trans people and cis people, and not ignoring bisexuality's history, for example, identifying as pansexual because it includes non-binary genders, even though bisexual has included non-binary genders in the past and for a very long time. So it kind of comes down to whatever term people prefer. Yeah. What's more comfy? What's more comfy? Because I know, as I've seen it, I kind of flopped for a really long time about what anaphy does. And for a while, I was like, bye. Because I was like, I don't know. This girl's pretty. This guy's pretty. Bye. And then I kind of flipped a pan and I stuck with pan for a really long time because I was just, like, all. That's, like, what I had at my brain, just all. And I was like, it's just anyone. I don't have standards. Literally anyone. And then I kind of switched to, like, queer a little bit, or I was just like, I don't know. Yeah. Queer. I'm not straight. I can tell you that much. And now I'm sort of kind of flipping my back to bye because I'm like, the flag is pretty. Literally, that's my reasoning, is that I can't tell a difference. And I think the flag's prettier. Fight me. That's what I love. It's a pretty flag. It is a pretty flag. Yeah. It's so pretty. Do you know what the colors mean? The colors. Because I had a, I think I'm wrong about the colors because what I thought was it's like blue, pink and purple in the middle, right? Of pinks on top. Yeah. Fine. Pink, blue, purple in the middle. Yeah. I always thought that blue is for, like, boy. Pink is for, like, girl. We love gendered colors. And then purple was for, like, anyone else. So, um... Am I wrong? I think so. I think so, great. Yeah, so I think I Googled it right before we started filming. We love Google for Live Source. Yeah. So I think what it historically meant was, so the pink is attraction to the same gender, blue is attraction to other genders, and the overlap is, like, love for said genders. Something like that. Yes? What? What? I, yes? Okay. Sure. Flag colors get so confusing. Yeah. And, like, in the end, the flag doesn't, like, the flag can mean... I know, I just think it's pretty. The flag can mean, like, different things for different people, I guess. And, like, while, like, while what I just said was what the flag creator, I think, intended it to mean... And the flag was made? No. No? Yeah, man. Supposed to know these things. Gosh. So I think, like, the flag can mean, like, it's just, like, a representation of the whole bisexual community. So, for me, at least, it represents community as a whole, and the colors don't really mean all that much. It's just, like, a united, like, symbol for all of us. You know? Yeah. So while, like, the flag creator did have specific colors meaning specific things, for me, it's just, like, a symbol of community, and the colors don't... Like, they mean something to me, but, like, it's not really what I think about when I see the flag. Yeah. So did you identify as pan for a while? Yes, I did. What made you switch to bi? Or switch? I have a gender preference. Interesting. Yeah. I have a gender preference, and since attraction to all... A gender preference or gender... Or, like, a gender expression preference. Kind of bull. Oh, boy. So we're doing this again. We're doing this again. So, um... I'm still confused. So I'm a trans guy, right? As far as I'm aware, yes. Yeah. So there's this thing that bisexual people experience called amplified heterosexuality, which is, like, compulsive heterosexuality for gay people. What? A gay man who is heterosexual? No, compulsive heterosexuality. So it's, like, where you basically... Basically being straight to the norm. Heteronormativity. Heteronormativity, yeah. Okay, you could have just said that. Yeah, but compulsive heterosexuality is, like, you're born and you're straight until you say otherwise. Cool. Or, like, you're supposed to think you're straight or whatever. Heteronormativity. Heteronormativity. Got it. And so for bi people, it's called... similar, but it's called amplified heterosexuality, which is, like, for me... You're, like, repressed. Yeah, you almost, like, repressed your attraction to other genders. So... I'm not gonna say I never did that. Yeah. So I didn't know I was a boy until I was, like, 11 or 12 or something. I can't remember, maybe 13. Really? Well, I didn't... I wasn't, like, sure about it. Like, I knew we're not... This isn't a trans episode. My point was, I thought I was a girl for a very long time. Most of my life. You're saying you're a boy. Yeah. So I thought I was a girl for a very long time, and I experienced amplified heterosexuality in the context of me being a girl, which means I was more... Repressed the female interaction, up the male interaction. Yes. Got it. So, but now I... Now you're just like, like, hey. Yeah, so, like, now that I know I'm a boy, I, like, know I like boys, and I'm pretty sure I have a gender preference for boys and, like, general expression preference for masculinity. Why? I, because I, like, boys, anyways. But why? I don't know. Boys are so nasty. But it's my sexuality. I can't help it. Boys are so nasty. Okay, anyways. So I, um, I... So I, while I do think I have gender preference for boys, it's hard to tell if it's, like, an overwhelming preference for boys, or if it's, like... To the point where you'd just be gay? Yeah, like, for a while I thought I was just gay, but I was like, no, I'm not. So I... It's girls. Because girls. So I can't tell if it's because of amphitheaterosexuality I experience when I thought I was a girl, that I have a preference for boys in mass, but, or I can't tell, I can't tell if it's that, or if it's just I do have a preference for boys. And while I do think I have a preference for boys, it's hard to tell if I have a strong preference or not. So my point was, back to me identifying as pan. That was a roller coaster. You loved your major. You love it. Yeah. So, so me identifying as pan. I stopped identifying as pan because I did some research about bisexuality's history, and I was like, and I listened to, like, some bisexual people talk about their experiences, and I was like, oh, wow, this actually does include non-binary genders. And stuff. And I had identified as pan because I thought pan meant all and included non-binary while bi did not. So I got hit by that politically correctness. Yeah, quite simply, yeah. But I stopped identifying as pan because I was like, oh, I have a gender preference. I have preferences regarding gender expression for my attraction, all that junk. And I hate the word junk. Junk. It's just not what my mind goes to. Anyways, good to hear you. So anyways, we're going to do that. So I was like, OK, I have a gender preference, and bisexual has historically included non-binary people, and has even before that. So I was like, there's no reason for me to identify as pan because this fits in with bi. Yeah. I'm sorry, I heard a noise. So this fits in with bi. So I don't know. I just did a lot of research, and I was like, wow. A lot of the reason identified with pan was not, didn't make sense, I guess. No, I don't think that's it. You just kind of were like, no, I'm not. Yeah, yeah. That's a lot, actually. Yeah, no, it was basically, I was just like, I'm not attracted to people regardless of gender, so. So did you come out as pan, or when you came out for the first time, because we've all come out a few times, for sexuality. Did you come out as pan, or was it gay, or did you say you were a lesbian? I thought I was a lesbian for a while. Not. My coming out is a whole story, but so I. You don't have to go into it if you don't want to. No, it's OK. No, nothing bad happened. It's just weird. You're all coming out, sorry. So the context for it is important, before I came out as trans, and after I came out as trans. So I came out to my mom as like, I'm by your pan or something. I wasn't really sure at the time, and that's why I told her, and I've continued to have discussions with her about it and stuff, and I've kind of kept her a little updated on it, I guess. And then coming out to my dad, so before I came out as trans, I told him I was gay. That probably confused your parents. Yeah. So my parents are separated, so they're also not talking about my sexuality. They don't like me being over teeing, and they don't. That'd be really funny. That would be weird. I'm sorry, but that'd be hilarious. I feel like if a bunch of parents just met up at a coffee shop and just talked about their kids, their gay kids, that'd be funny. That should be a TV show. I'm sorry. It's OK. So coming out to my dad was a whole thing. At the time, I identified as pan. But you said you were gay. But I told him I was gay. Why? Because I thought he would get the message. I don't know. I was 13 and very dumb. High five. Same. Nice. So I thought he'd get the message. Obviously, he did not. And I have not updated him on it. Told him everything else? No, I have kind of forgotten about it, honestly. And so he probably thinks I just like girls. Because it was before I came out as trans. So if I come out as gay before I come out as trans. So he would think you're straight now? Probably. Ew. Anyways, yeah, so. So you came out as pan or bi or whatever, to your mom. And then gay to your dad. And then after you came out, did you come out again for different sexuality? After you came out for being trans. But did you, like, hey, we're going to re-come out? Because I had to do that a bunch. I had to re-come out, like, every day. No. No, I did not. You kind of left it. It's kind of left it. Yeah. I should probably tell him. Potatoes are not straight. Yeah. I think he probably, to be fair, looks at now. Yeah, how do you think he knew? I don't know. No, like, I'm, I don't know. Who knows? Who knows? Not even going to take a look at this episode, who knows? Who knows? I should probably tell him. I recommend it. Just to keep him updated. So, like, if I ever get a boyfriend, he's not super confused. If you ever get a boyfriend. If I ever get a boyfriend. Oh. Nathan. We love high school. We love being teenagers. Yeah. All right. So I think what I want to do is have each of us, normally, when there's more than two people to throw it better, but I just want us both to say our takeaways from this episode, and then we can sort of wrap it up. So what do you want anyone watching to be left with? Cut the last lot in their brain. Whatever label you choose to use is up to you. But please do research about bisexuality and bisexualities history before choosing a label that you're either choosing for transphobic reasons or reasons that just ignore bisexuals' history because it has a really deep and rich history that has included non-binary people. All right. Take away. I think my takeaway from this is just really who the hell knows. We're all confused. We don't know what's going on. Let's be friends. Yeah. All right. So this is all things LGBTQ plus youth. Fingers snap. Youth edition. There we go. Thank you, and we'll see you next month. Bye.