 For the wickening Starring Jonathan That was my favorite part of a movie when he said it's John in time and then he John'd all over the assassins What does it mean to John on someone? Oh, that's I don't know if we can say that on on YouTube. Well, I feel like a urination thing I'm gonna use you as a John. Oh, yeah. Alright. There you go Makes enough sense Like like a what the Grinch movies right Cindy Lou who? She's called that because everyone pisses on her The strange element of the Grinch movies, I don't seen many Grinch stuff Made what I remember Jim Carrey one, right? It's like There's the original The original that was made like the 50s Uh-huh Let me check the original Grinch movie was in no 1966 And that was the oh That was like 300 years ago damn. I know Boris Karloff was the narrator Good old Boris was Chuck Jones who did the animation for that? I'm not sure but Yeah, then there was the the Jim Carrey one There was the recent one Recent ish one. I think Benedict Cumberbatch was the Grinch you you've seen that any clip Yeah, that's the illumination one. I saw it. I was fine. Yeah, I'm fine. Okay. That's all right Is illumination gonna fix up its reputation with Mario? Do you reckon? I don't know I mean, I think I think probably I think they're probably I think that The Mario movie is gonna be responded to well, but like I'm so curious whether or not that film is gonna be like actually like like good or just fine Maybe it'll be bad. I I'm I don't think I'm there anymore. I think it's gonna be the worst. I think it's gonna be okay But I don't know there's gonna be anything more than that. I'll flip flopping Fringy over here Maybe I'll be the yeah, what what what crazy me changing my opinion is more information That's a sign of a weak mind. Yes, or a lack of spine or both no spine in your brain. I was told you can't change ever That's right. You're not allowed to change your opinion when you receive like information that would lead you to change your opinion Yep, it just means that you don't stand for anything. You're just a leaf in the wind You're just it's out real soon. It's only a few days away Yeah, well we got resident evil next week, okay Mario Jesus It's gonna be interesting to see the Mario movie very quickly clip box office of an ant man Cuz I think it will I think this one's gonna be a million dollars. I Think it's gonna be really successful Um, how's the marketing been you guys seen it in lots of places? I Keep seeing ads. I think they've got like toys and stuff around the place like Like Happy Meal toys and merchandise and stuff. Oh that'll do it ever make like you think I'll ever make games Like I'll be cool adaptations of the movie make like Mario games. I mean, I don't think that's ever gonna happen How would it even work? What is to make a game of it's just some guy? It's like an Italian plumber and overalls, but he's in this mushroom realm and There's gonna say he's kind of or he's on in a big like big turtle. Who's angry? Do you see the problem getting cars? It's not about real the real question is is they're gonna be a post credit scene for the film with a warrior and Waluigi That's all my real question. Oh place your bets. I Know I feel like that I feel like that actually might be exactly what it's gonna be is gonna be war Doesn't seem unheard of Well, it's just you got Bowser, right now You could do what the game's doing just haven't been Bowser every time But I mean they're probably gonna make a sequel aren't they like and this this film's probably gonna make a lot of money They're probably already writing or setting up everything for the sequel Part of the reason why this film exists is because like Universal like you know, like there's a Disney world There's like a universal equivalent and they've got like a big like Mario Portion for it. So like that seems to be Some deal between Nintendo and Universal and I imagine that they'd want to keep it going for as long as possible Like I don't know. It's it's this seems like a really good Like this seems like a good thing to try and make movies from like if you can right from a financial perspective, I Mean, I think they're gonna go crazy and once it makes a shit ton of money They're gonna start expanding have a deal with Nintendo. They'll have that sit down. They'll be like listen You guys want any more characters to have some movies and then they're like do you have any they're like Boy, what if what if the Mario movie opens the floodgates for like Nintendo based films. Oh boy That would go wrong new cringe films I mean the thing is is that Nintendo is often like quite protective of their stuff Yeah, but if they see a lot of money, they might be like hmm Well, I guess I guess what we look at with like the Mario movie is that the Mario movie in particular Like would definitely signal that we're in the era. We're like they're going to I Don't know if there's if we can say like for sure that they they're gonna actually adapt like the material of the stories of games faithfully But they're definitely gonna use the iconography like we're there where at that point now where they're not like they're not running away from that Like stuff like Mortal Kombat still felt like it was kind of like it's kind of like Sonic the Hedgehog Like you're still a little bit too scared to like fully embrace the games like for what they are But I think we're past that at this point Like this film doesn't seem like it's doing a lot of the things that a lot of old video game adaptations do where they like Really run away from the material They're like well, I guess we use the name but like we're changing all of this like it's got all of the iconography It's got all of the characters and everything. I mean who knows what it's actually gonna like be in terms of a story But it seems like that's where we're at now And you know the last of us being like pretty faithful Especially by comparison to a lot of other yeah video game adaptations in the past Yeah, I mean there's and there's they're on the way Coming out and that's gonna have shadow the hedgehog in it. So, you know, I'm gonna be there wasn't that one I'm just like the first and second. I will be there to ask ringy. Was it or it was a cringe? Oh Well, that that one will probably be that one will probably be self-aware that'd be my guess They'll be like hyper self-aware about are they not all to some degree or? The the the first two films are more like Marvel self-aware Which I don't know if I would describe as like, you know This the self-aware that it might be would like shout at the hedgehog like they're not like sonic boom self-aware Okay, that's what I'd say. I don't know if anybody here's what sonic boom That show is very aware of what it is and like the sonic world and like what people think of sonic Well, it's kind of funny right because we may be doing Coverage that Mario movie depends on what we're dealing with and but before that will have to do Resident Evil 4 But before that we'll have to do a movie called John Wick And it's kind of funny that it's like movie game and then movie game Again It's it's it's the whole gamut. I guess I Was thinking we should probably talk a little bit about John Wick as it is the thing It's been mentioned on a lot of other times covering a lot of other things And it's just this shocking perspective to a lot of people like ain't all the John Wick's awesome And then it's like John Wick one's really cool. Yes On what one's good. Yeah, I liked John Wick one. That was a neat movie. I like that I like that first John Wick movie. That was them. They just fun. I'm making them kept on Making them the bad But the perspective is that they've been improving I think That's how people view the series overall is that they're improving But why? Well, it's like what's the appeal of the first one why why did people think it was neat and it's just like well It was really really straightforward and simple to understand and the action was clean And you could really get behind that main badass Guy who had to work pretty hard to get the things he needed to get to get revenge for a real cute and happy little puppy But ultimately represented a lot more than just a good friend slash innocent animal Was the connection he had to his wife who was the reason he was able to escape his previous life as an assassin It was like, oh, that's that's a real solid little story you got there And then you get some things you're like those action scenes neat stylish action To compliment it. Well that that really is what you're there for but like at the very least There's a story that's worthwhile to connect it all together You get the the soundtrack then as well and like a stylish bit of lighting work being done in a lot of different sequences and then of course the Crazy idea of hey, what if the world was like, you know Assassin friendly in a lot of ways and there's just so many assassins the whole world of assassins When I think from the first one you may have inferred It's just a particular area that presents itself not as an assassin place But uses very special currency and language in order for the people who know Get shit done and the people who don't just be like, I don't know if this is a normal place where normal things happen Don't worry about it And then of course like the interaction with the cop in the first one where it sort of implies that the assassins are So prevalent and widespread that there's even some level of communication with the law enforcement or at least an understanding of They have business you leave it alone Probably the kind of thing you get maybe between cops and like the highest Powerful levels of the mafia that certain points in history Just be like you don't fuck with us. We don't fuck with you sort of thing So yeah, you know and and and they only ever mostly implied things they never really went further than that which was kind of neat you left your to your imagination and And they also gave us a villain that was pretty fucking. I don't know dare I say relatable in that he was like this very veteran Bad guy whose friends with John at least of the older times was just like this is all chill and fine We'll sort of this out and then he's like, hey, you you know This event is taking place, but then he understands the gravity of it He's like oh shit and speed runs himself immediately to trying to kill John Wickes He knows where all this will go. Yeah, that's exactly where all of it goes Yes damn Then they have themselves a big old fucking fist fight to end the end the thing and then John is bleeding out You know and looking at a video of his wife, I think You're on his phone like a camera or something. It's actually what they play right at the beginning of the film Yeah, yeah, yeah We see the end first sort of then he he goes to patch himself up. It's like, oh, there's a dog that's about to be Minecrafted It's like no, I'm gonna take the dog with me And then they walk over the bridge into the sunset if you will and then it ends okay now I forgot you had a second dog Yeah Is that what do you happen to that dog? Is it John Wick 2 you gave it into the concierge or something? Oh, yeah He's just like oh, I leave that dog here and then just chills in front of concierge There after he goes house blown up. Yeah by that guy that new guy who was never mentioned Even though he had like Well, so this thing right Mechanic I in no way think that John Wick 1 is some kind of masterpiece. I think it's really solid. I enjoy it It's fun. Yeah, I like it. It's cool could have made a really great franchise out of it Instead they made the second John Wick which is One of the three movies that I've talked about before the three movies that I nearly walked out on in the cinema I never ever do that John Wick 2 was it was specifically the subway scene where I was just like fucking hell I I want to go like I can't watch this is so embarrassing And you know what struck me immediately was that I was no longer watching. I No longer believed this was a skilled assassin. I instead was just like What fucking clouds made this and thought that this was like believable, which I guess everybody has a threshold You know in terms of what they'll believe and a lot of people Line everyone's got their little line to cross well, and then there's another set of people who were like well It was always absurd. That's the point. It's supposed to be a big ol absurdity Little nonsense action movie never really was the first one really wasn't absurd And all the reasons that it was so so good what it seemed quite believable and it seemed like oh Yeah, this is like a human at like the the best a human could be kind of this is a guy Who's Insanely good at what he does and the way that he acts and the way that he behaves Kind of you know it makes me buy into it makes me believe it But I guess it's it's far easier to just write your characters to have insane plot armor And they started Start stapling things on and they never stopped they just keep doing it every single movie and in this case it was Yeah crazy like things that are gonna be super relevant to the plot that just would never the case before like just didn't exist Nor was there any implication that they did he's leaving he's done He's done his stuff. He got the kid the dad came after him He's got him too, and he's going back he has his dog And then it's like ah, but you forgot about villain man who's here now It's like what and it's like you have a blood debt and those things are like markers or whatever There was a super important and a part of the continental and blah blah blah blah blah and yeah I mean male you're gonna remember better than me, but you have to be told what what the deal is with a marker, right? Oh, it has to be so basically what happened apparently If we believe the movie so the the the Antonio guy he comes back to John's like hey Sorry about your wife. By the way, I heard you back in in the business Not really It's like well, I helped you with all so it I have to go back to one for that one because In the first one it's mentioned that he had to kill like an almost impossible amount of people or has an impossible task And apparently this the Antonio guy he helped him with that, but in order to get that help Remember the help is to get out of the business He was like hey do this blood debt If you do that you have to do whatever I tell you Yeah, though he helped him to get out of the business, which is Stupid anyway, and isn't it like if someone holds your marker you can't do anything to them or something? Yeah, something like that. It's essentially he traded one life debt for another pretty much. Yeah Well, but it never would have been cashed if not for him coming back into the business or something That's what he says. That's what he says. We only have his word Which is bullshit anyway, why even bother if you'd never wanted to put it out anyway And then John like outright declining it, which is yeah, because he Like he can't just do that even though he should know better because he if you watch three He made one of those deals with Halle Berry. Yeah, he cashes in one of those markers for himself, which is kind of funny You should have just had a hair assassinate the table bed, but yeah To put pull it around it's it's insane Yeah, it's just you have to think about this because if you I can understand you want someone like John wake on in your back pocket I guess but you don't want a John wake that just retired and just hangs out at home with his wife Not doing anything like he's probably not gonna be as good When you cash in this thing, I know ten years from now. You might be older Shit, you might have gotten fat If you can't piece it all I'll sure kill your target sir. We cut to the whale Room it's John Wick now To have us as go I just want to read essays and eat pizza Say that the whole premise of him having made that deal is Bizarre and it's incredibly stupid, but they like shut off the second. That's how we get a second movie Yeah, well they start off the second movie essentially adding in this this Mechanic that he has that that John has engaged with that makes him seem incredibly shockingly stupid Which is always great, that's how you you know you open up and they can it's like you're an idiot You're annoyed already with that. It's like fine. I guess I'll allow it. Let's move on What happens next John declines and then his whole house blows up and you're like I Know now to window or something. Yes. It's I think it's in a dairy Grenades and the whole house starts to fire and explodes and he and the dog get like propelled out of the window But they're both fine. It's no worries. Yeah And so you think like Mark a man you could have just fucking killed him just then yeah Just his reasoning is I did I did that because I needed the angry John Wakes like no, no You almost killed him you fool Well killed him that he's just like okay, but now I hate you Yeah, but you still have to do what I say so ha ha ha ha ha this couldn't possibly backfire on me Yeah, oh, I just forgot as well This was after he kills the because that's all after the prologue where he's oh, yeah The whole prologue is like a whole action scene because he wants his car back and instead of using his you know His communication that he has with that garage guy that he gives it to repair it for and tells him. Hey, can you tell? The boss man's brother I killed that I want my car back Because that guy has no no interest in fighting John Rick. He's like fucking hell. Why would I do that? And I like in that scene even the henchman is like why just don't give it back It's like oh you think he's gonna stop now just to at the end make a peace treaty with him basically have a Vodka is like okay. We're cool now, then he leaves with his total car now by the way I remember that scene being shockingly like he's hyper incompetent in it gets himself run over several times because that's just something John does these days. We'll get to that. Oh, yeah, this is where the running over John with a car meme starts and he's like mostly fistfighting everybody to oh Yeah, yeah, and I'm pretty sure you can see he has a gun that's no he just uses gun at some point It's like oh you had a gun this whole time. Okay Yeah, it's because you have this big worry like what the fuck's going on and then yeah, you know to speed it up a bit I guess he does go for that mission and then he's like betrayed doing it and then he's obsessively trying to hunt down What is even the guy's name? And go you go okay well and ruby roses his personal bodyguard is she Vega was in the first one, right? Oh, I didn't mix them up. Okay. Yeah, sorry Whoever the second one guys and then yeah, but meanwhile, he's also got that other guy chasing him I forget what his name is while he's in loser stuff They have a little stairs sequence, but yeah The subway thing was was where I was just like so John Wick is destroyed as a Potential of the first one's dead They're walking through like a crowded place trying to shoot at each other While I was walking around and nobody like notices or cares It's quite amazing how much damage it does all at once because you're like I thought it was cool. It's like do you really think John Wick would do that? Like it's incredibly fucking dangerous to all of these innocent people that are surrounding these two right now and John seems like the kind of guy who's pretty on a bound I don't remember him being like who fucking cares about civilians if they're in the crosses They go down that sort of thing But like it's just bizarre that they would try that secondly like They both just consistently miss every single shot when if you're gonna do that you may as well just aim Instead of like wine fire almost Essentially, yeah Because even even if we if we accept the whole movie silence our trope, it's still a stretch Well, yeah, then of course there's the whole nobody notices anything which is insane Yeah, there's people in front of them next to them. There's literally pieces of walls breaking apart That's weird people like how what the fuck was that? I think it's okay gun Cuz I mean what we see in this film is like a big change to what I think we all thought the world was We thought it was a world where like there was There was this world of assassins that existed and was organized and big But like not the whole world Not like that it was actually the world that seems to have a complete awareness of it Like that everybody in the world seems to know it exists and isn't different to it. Yeah Yeah, I mean sort of exemplified both that that last scene in the film, right? Everyone gets the message like here's the bounty It's like, oh, that's a lot of people and don't even get me started on the hobo assassins, dude Oh, yeah, that was intensely insane Yeah Normal hobo's cubs like was that? Yeah, and then um, you know some of the better Sequences of action are still they they have like mainly one way of doing combat and you just see it all the time You see it again in this one, but I will say You know like before we get there that that was John Wick 2 was just kind of like a And and that it's gone now, but then three came out. I didn't even see three straight away I think I talked to because free you went to see it right and then I was like I went to see it and then I told you like how baffled I was when he like jumped off the roof of the Continental and survived. Yeah, he gets shut down Yeah, that like blew my mind because I I remember I like John Wick 2 at first Me too and and then gradually that opinion started to change and by the time three came out And then he'd like fell off the building. I think that was like, I'm like totally done at this point Like I just I don't care anymore Once any any meaningful real investment. I might have had in John Wick like yeah That's all about uh, John Wick 2 introduce the body armor jackets. Oh, oh the body I hate them very gradually John Wick turn from like a really sort of like cool action like world Oh God, yeah, I yeah when I saw that that's still picture. It's just John Wick. Yeah, I'm just like God Yeah, the John Wick is set in like a fantasy universe is in like an actual fantasy world Where like human beings are more durable than they are in reality Indestructible set in a crazy science fiction world where like you have a suit and like when you hold up The flap of the suit and you can see that it's visibly like a flappy fabric of a suit It just deflects the bullets with sparks coming out. So it's set in a crazy sci-fi universe too That's the only conclusion you can draw from stuff like this Like this is a movie prevalent with guns that doesn't know how guns work and it's very annoying like look at the spot The thing that was that was like John Wick 1 and like John Hey, look at him go Oh, jeez. It's that hit on the head on the Yeah, there's a reason why I put a laugh track over this fucking scene when I put it in my video It's just insane I don't know what the idea is though. You see this stuff and you're like funny I there there were the yeah, like I don't even know The slide doesn't come back on that pistol when he's shooting because it's all CGI That was blackboarder s it's worse than the black widow one. Yeah, blackboarder's one is more survivable than this Yes. Oh, yeah, the black widow one like I can believe like it's a stretch But I can believe and this one is just like no the way he hits his head on the fucking pavement at the end CGI. Oh, yeah, it looks pretty bad Yeah, they had to do with a CGI. Yeah, right like I should tell you something About this is like obviously We can't have a killer stunt man for this movie Yeah I think with John Wick the first John Wick that was cool was a rag said it. He was he was highly competent, but he wasn't invincible Um, he makes a few mistakes in that film but like he's But but it's like he's so good Within the bounds of a human being that he's kind of scary right to his adversaries Um, but he was like a guy. He was very much a person And gradually as the John Wick films went along he became less and less of a human and more of like a superhero It just in terms of like what he can do Um And like the vulnerability of like an action hero's that that can be super valuable I mean why is John McLean like part of what makes him so endearing is that he is like out of his depth That he is vulnerable. He gets hurt. It's really hard. Like it's really really difficult for him Um, but he you know, like he fights his way to success Um, and even even like John McLean, right? There are things that happen to him that he probably shouldn't survive but like nothing It's not it ain't it ain't like what's been happening would show no no Jump it out of a jump it off the top of the intercontinental and surviving the fall and then doing the same thing again in in four Twice the suit is real. They actually made it on youtube Um, so if if you would have given me a John Wick series where they had bulletproof fabric It's like, okay. You have bulletproof fabric. Okay. So what happens Would be that every time you get hit with a bullet in that bulletproof fabric That would hurt an insane amount You'd have a massive bruise It would it would you would just be like oh the the pain would be insanely bad You know, it would stop the bullet from going into you But you might have Potentially you might have a broken bone or something depending on what you're hit with Especially because of the pain of it Yeah, and the day afterwards like you would be sore beyond belief that kind of energy That's hitting you and being transferred into your body. Of course. It's all flappy, too You can't hold up your arm with one. There is a reason why i'm bringing up this here, right? So what I like about this is the it goes wrong his plan in the club It doesn't go quite as well as he wants it to he's done a really good job Right up until he has it almost exactly what he wants, but he's just is he spotted He's spotted by like some guy who's walking around And it makes him fight early the guy rushes off and a lot of this is improvised as a result And he's doing his best he can and like he nearly gets a shot on him Then he sees the bearded guy coming through so he gets him and when recovering from the bearded guy fight You get the the main sort of subordinate dude who turns up possibly like the most talented of all the uh The people he fights in this movie Yeah Um and he gets two shots on him center of mass and it hits his the jacket like the actual Yeah, if you see him put it on And so that feels to me much more satisfying because it's like yeah, you block those because you have that But it pushes him down and he's struggling like after that Well, this this prevents him from getting the guy he gets away now like it's he can't get him now um It's actually one of my it's another one of those like gun things that this film really the films Films constantly get gun stuff wrong a lot of it's for cinematic reasons A lot of it's probably because they just don't know or a lot of it's because of It was like we saw the winston shooting him on the roof How the the gun slide doesn't come back because it's just all cg'd and everything But um, we'll talk about this in john wick four when we get well, you know Let's just talk about in john wick four when we get to it. So yeah, let's just let's just carry on along Someone just said why can't muller accept it's an alternative world It feels like you're not even listening to the complaint like not even at all Yeah, we no we're fine with alternative worlds. It's just that what they're doing is stupid and not believable. Yeah, I'm sorry But one is what the films are based on this is the first film. They're making sequels to it They've already established a bunch of rules. I'm sorry Too late Yeah, I just keep check I don't know like it's got like This is better than like everybody running around in action scenes holding up the suit in front of their face While sparks are flying off of it like in every action scene Yeah The suit kind of created like a continuity error about like it for a long time It's like why isn't everybody using him? Why does only john wick get him? And then they finally realize. Oh, yeah Nice So um Yeah, I I don't think I've ever seen a character in all of fiction who had more plot armor than john wick I think across the three essentially the three movies After the first the plot armor has gotten so over the rails And he's just indestructible and the plot has willed that he will always survive and make it out Well, previously it would have been The mandalorian was one that we used we would uh reference. Um, but this kind of outclasses mando Um, oh, yeah, we're talking like hundreds of men shooting thousands of bullets at this man and they all miss all they hit is literal plot armor I would be curious if you went through and you counted all of the shots that were taken at john wick considering that he's you know, um Yeah, he's alive If you counted the sparks how many times sparks hit their suit and you compared it to how many times the best guard deflected uh Deflected uh lost. Yeah, because I even though even though mando is a television show. I'm pretty sure it would be less Well, I think it's actually on that note, uh, we can begin talking about john wick four But before we do I'm gonna remind everybody we're breaking this down as a story And we'll often talk about how the action works as well. So characters Will building rules plot progression That's what's happening If you think that this film is um a parody of action and thus shouldn't be treated this way Or that you think you're taking it way too seriously when you should be sitting back and enjoying it Or that it looks great and it feels great and we shouldn't care about the consistency of the writing That's fine. I don't know why you're here though It's not a really our thing. Yeah Something that is worth adding though because you can see it where it's like Oh, I'm just going into it as like a fun action movie. That is one thing and that would be one thing but like These films get like reviewed very well like Like these films get reviewed incredibly well like as stories Yeah Not just as action films like john wick four has got a 78 on metacritic. That's really high Wait, that's that's higher than oh, I'm just going into it as a fun action film That's like no the film is actually like great storytelling And like a lot of the other films have got that I'm pretty sure that all of the sequas got reviewed better than the first film Like they're not just reviewed well as like oh, well, yeah, they're like fun action They're just like a fun time, but they're not that great and they're considered good um So I I and I get the impression that that's sort of meant to be taken seriously So this film certainly wants to be taken seriously the way they're fucking talk to each other Well, yeah, the the idea that it's supposed to be silly funny Not particularly like I don't think the people writing this would feel very like if you said, you know all the stuff to do with kane and john and his wife and everything coming to a close everything was charon and uh And uh winston if you said, yeah, it's all fucking goofy. They'd be like no No, we tried to No, I don't think that's what it's meant to be Um But um, the other thing is probably with mentioning is 60 out of medicare like wow people saying yes Okay, fine, but it is still a lot better than everything else is coming out these days. No And what's funny about that is like well Uh Those oscars man, you know, he's like well, there's quite a few good movies in there I don't know that was you've got some good last year gets a really good stuff out actually Yeah, but are they've all been on on the mind recently? Yeah, and and and I guess and we're only talking about like big budget like action films I guess so but um, but I mean all of the compliments that I would levy for john wick are like Style like cinematography lighting stuff like that Soundtrack, but like I'm happy to concede on a really cool, but there's a lot of movies that are those things that are really really cool Well, yeah, like Marvel films might look like shit, but there are a lot of other like avatar avatar looked incredible But like damn the script like geez That's the thing. Uh, I mean we talk about interstellar is one of those big examples of you know, really great acting And a great soundtrack and it just it tries to pull so hard for that story And with the care, you know the actual characters themselves happens all the time And if you can see past some of the and I would say that the action In two three and four is really not good at all I was not at all enjoying the action scenes and how they Played out and what happens in them at all Um, well we can talk about that as we go because that's gonna sound Oh, we will we like an insane perspective until we manage to break these things down And that's kind of how I feel about this whole movie. It's just like Let's go through it slowly now instead of watching it all happen real quick and You know some of this stuff. You don't remember some of this stuff You don't know whether or not makes even any sense. It's like well we can Summarize it and then talk about it and compare it with the stories that have been told before After doing the ones it's based on It's gonna be great. I'm gonna I'm gonna love it because okay. I've got my notes already Don't look chapter four All right, which by the way was all the evidence you needed that this is not the last john wick Chapter four part one the final chapter Resurrection maybe It starts out the john wick five begins with a shot of just an arm reaching up from the ground Grave stone great. That's just john's house where he lives And he just lives down there now So well, you know, it's not quite that cringe the opening right, but it's still not not fantastic. We have uh, laurence fishburne Walking the the the hobo king. He's he's walking toward john's. That's where we left off john was thrown off a building as you just saw And he's been recuperating recharging almost uh in the sewers with the hobo king and he's reciting the um the poem It's uh, it's it's to do with the dantes inferno. Yeah, yeah, it is guys. This is cringe You have laurence fishburne says Like the whole thing well a lot of the thing but he says abandon all hope those who are about to enter here You are now in the presence of the mother fucking king and it shows john wick and it's like It it's all really really cringe. Um, this movie made me cringe at laurence fishburne Um, so we're already off to a pretty darn good start where he's just like walking down the alleys and the little little What are the little tunnels saying all this stuff and this voice like what are we doing? This is like With being like the king here. He is john. It's like god you fucking these movies are too influenced by the matter, aren't they? yeah John turned around it's like do you need to do this every time you get in here like come on Well, and it it reassures you that we're in like The same level because he says like you ready john and then you know you have that pause then uh counter is like Yeah, yeah No, we could we could do another take. We'll just do another take real quick Just try to do it. But good this time before he's done it so many times now that that is john wick that is how john wick speaks Yeah, we're are we gonna have to have the the counter is acting talk again It happens everyone's like dude, I was on I was over by a little platoon just fucking like Came out with a pretty hard core He's just like they give him material that he can handle but even that could be too much sometimes They gave him a word to say He just like he I don't know how you clunk through one word, but you kind of but he did Like no no yeah has one syllable Yeah Anyway We're cutting to the desert boom Is john on a horseback shooting at three other guys who are on horseback while chasing them It is so funny us again someone who's watching it, you know to sort of just see what's happening to john wick. I'm just immediately like Why is this happening? Immediately in my brain, it's oh, there's a bounty on you and you just travel to wherever this is Yeah, he's got Table looking for him The bounty is what 10 million Seven million at that point seven million. Okay. Yeah, let's give it take three million, you know Who cares about that at that point? I mean it goes up considerably over the movie, but uh, It's like it was seven now Give the benefit of the doubt metal that that all made total sense He got there and he's just he's just say and he kills them all and we find out pretty quickly He's there for the uh for the elder who isn't the elder from the previous movie and that's already a little bit confusing Yeah, because he apparently died Yeah, yes, um, and john scorpions out there dehydration heat stroke He's got no like coverage at all. He's just sitting on the thing Because the previous elder had a tent you're right Yeah, but Because they didn't spring for a tent for this one. No Well, do we talk about him just like chasing random guys and horses and shooting them? That's well, I I I don't know what else to say about that. It's such a just random like here you go This is happening and it's like, okay The reason why that was thrown in was because the first like proper action scene in the film is a while away Yeah, it's like half an hour from then so they have to have something Well, but here's also the problem with john just finding the elder It was like a big deal in three that he had to like go into the desert and he maybe gets found by the elder if he's lucky And he had to I remember that. Yeah They only had to survive on helly berry spit water As like Jesus Christ, we'd all do that. Uh, yeah, okay And then he goes there and gets found but now he just I don't know finds three of them Which are apparently also his only guard like that's the elder's security because there's no one else there except the elder Yeah, just riding around and then he goes up there. It's like, hello. I want my ring back, please He says uh, my ring my freedom like I think is he there to clarify whether or not he's free from the table being Leave me with him. I don't know From what I gathered he just wants to go around and kill the people who wronged him now I was gonna go over that. It's a little confusing as to whatever the hell he wants. Yeah Yeah, well because it like we've said in john wick one there was a clear sort of uh, there was a clear goal that he had um, like a very clearly defined goal pretty much ever since two it sort of feels like he's He's just kind of like around and like his goal is a lot more vague other than to continue living. I suppose Which like I guess there's that But as a motive that seems to oscillate between like getting revenge on like The high table or getting revenge on that that dude and in two who betrayed him But like at this point, where's he at? You know, and how does his white factor into all of this? It's kind of like a question on your mind. It was nice that they remember. She existed in this movie briefly Yeah, okay Yes, uh, so It seems to me that he was because he he's there Seemingly from that dialogue to find out what his current state is with the high table because the guy says Your ring is gone like the elder before me Which first of all is like that they way of trying to clarify like yeah, I know I'm a different elder We couldn't get the other one. Yeah, okay. What happened to they repossessed the tent That's why I'm sitting out here in the fucking hot-ass desert sun just in my chair It's just funny because when they cost that guy probably is like, hey, we need you for like, I don't know a scene Oh, okay. What do we do? Oh you get killed It's like, oh, all right. Well, I get paid, right? I get paid, right? Yeah, I'm like, hi, I'm in Yeah, we don't have a tent though, but don't worry. It's all a fucking green screen So then uh, he says my death will not change the outcome anymore Uh, any more than you can change your own nature. None of us can escape who we are No one can escape the table the only way that you can reach peace is in death And he says I know Like oh, okay, and then he says you've come here for uh for nothing And he says, yeah Not really and then shoots him. Yeah So there's no one else here except the other again, by the way Yeah, there was just a three force thing. I'm sure he killed all the other gods We didn't see that part This is a three. They were just really good. That's why they ran away from john and got shot It's not way for the kawaii force character You have to address the fact that that's that's let's we're sowing the seeds of a theme maybe for uh, John Wick well not even maybe I think that is what they're going for I hope you like those words because you're gonna hear him over. Everyone's got an opinion on death in this movie This is the last chapter. Okay guys, maybe not really one. No Well, this film has made the most money out of like at least it's making money the fastest. I don't like more Um, so yeah, he kills him and as to if you wanted to ask why the best I can guess is he just Fucking is annoyed at the high table So he's he's gonna kill that guy because that guy is an extension of them. It's like, okay We don't ever meet the high table people, do we? We don't know the only one member, right? And that's the sister That was the sister and technically sentino after because he gets the gets by default He gets the table in two But we they both dead after so we don't know who is at the table right now Okay, there you go. Yeah, the second movie starts off with the fact that you could use your little Markers to have someone kill people who run the whole organization and that's just like in the rules Oh, god. Yes. I remember that. Yep. I was about to say I'd like to remember that John at the Antonio is not only currently sitting at the table The highest position you can have from what I understand unless they make something else up I don't know if the elder is actually above or below. I don't fucking know and they're also friends And instead of john you're like, hey, your brother uses this marker bullshit to kill someone of the table Specifically you can we do something about that? He was like, yeah, I have to kill you now. Sorry Don't be john rick's friend. He kills you. Oh, there's actually points to make about that. Yeah, uh In any case there's a good reason they showed us that opening because it's it's gonna have big consequences Which is actually kind of why we're probably going to return to it a couple of times But we'll get to the consequences first Clancy brown is here. Yay And uh, uh, it's funny when he turns up and he's uh at the desk with Uh lance reddick and he's like and and he picks up the phone and says a harbinger is here to see I was like fuck's sake another like Name for uh, you know, like there's all these like, uh special names for everybody in all these places It's like they're obviously clearly written to be to make the audience go like What is that gonna mean damn? That sounds really one of those It's one of those things that you hear. Yeah, that's one of those things. Oh, what did they call the other one in three? I completely forgot Oh the girl check. Yeah the Someone in chat might remember Uh, I can't remember. Uh, yeah, she had one of those titles too and I forget what the hell it was um, it It wasn't negotiator or judicator judicator. Yeah Yeah judicator Anyway, uh, she's not in this movie by the way. Oh, no, she's No, yeah, she lived to the end of the third one, but she's not in this one at all Got a new guy. I only assume that she's off. I'm sure john kill do live in somewhere. She's judicating somewhere bitch Yeah, there was a scene there was a deleted scene where she uh, said it's judicating time and she judicated all over the assassins I thought that um Hey classy brown turning up. I thought you might be like a veteran assassin man But it's like no, he works the high table and he's more business related and saying, okay, cool. That's fine It's well getting on. You know, maybe he has talking roles now is more than action roles and that's okay It's all right. I don't need to see mr. Krabs killing everybody, but I'd like to that's all that's all I'm saying um, and then You know, I'm seriously going into this movie good faith. I'm like, all right. Give me a story I'm already like, you know a little bit unimpressed, but that's fine. You know, this could be the one that we have plenty of Movie time left. It's back. Oh plenty of time lots of time lots and lots of time so much time Why don't you put the movie in the background anymore? bro Joe mc4 is in theaters. I don't know what you mean Yeah, I don't even know how we saw it. Oh, yeah, that's right. I I got I got guys I gotta I gotta be real with y'all We gotta do something about my pay because I have I have to keep flying to india to see these movies And boy, it's really really hitting the it's really hitting the pocketbook having to go fly to india and back to see these movies um God I've oh Maybe maybe, you know, if I went to one ex bet and I I got really lucky. Maybe I wouldn't need maybe I wouldn't need it, but Oh boy, I'm gonna be in the poor house and so um It's it's kind of funny. So like I said, I was just I was sitting there paying attention I was like, all right, let's do it and then mr. Hobbins your classy brown man He's like by order of the marquee. This hotel is condemned You have one hour and he sets down a fucking hour glass It's a comically And is it just me or I was immediately like this is Fucking john wick that's all this is now it's this is like All these words you don't know what they mean and like it's all supposed to be really like lofty and oof This is significant and then You have an hour Here is my hour glass It's cool because it's analog, right? Like it's cool because it's kind of like old and strange You wouldn't normally see that he orders his meal And then when the waiter leaves he gets out the big hour glass and puts it on the table I'm timing you like It would be awful if you were but that's every like When he goes to bed at night, he takes an hour glass and he puts it on the night stand He has to have a special one. That's like eight hour glass So that it gives him a nice bit of sleep Then the last of the sand filters through and it's just silent because it's an hour glass and he sleeps through it And if someone is highlighted, it's not even the official hour glass that one's in the guy's office I don't know if there were two hour glass How did they synchronize them? Did they know to flip them over at the right time? Just at exactly the right time. Yeah I just thought it was it's just funny that they keep doing shit like that I don't know if uh, if winston took the one he left there over to that office Passed it to them. They put it into the room before they got there. That's how there's a section Uh, just just grab it. It's like, oh, we need to bring this so they get even more mad Evacuate the hour glass The sand is representative of the desert that that other scene took place in Yeah, um, you might be like, wait, why is the hotel condemned didn't winston shoot john wick Didn't he betray him in the previous movie? Like why would shot him? It was shot him many times, but never not in the head. It was all in the chest area Definitely died from that fall except he didn't uh, yeah, of course because I mean just in case on the on the off chance that he was able to survive Um, you would have checked for a body of course to make sure you know that uh and uh Do clearly charon is like can they do this and winston says the decree is signed by all 12 The marquee is now our judge jury And it's implied executioner. So yeah, just like so he can just And I'll I'll just say it for the sake of people who haven't seen it yet. You're just like condemning a hotel I assume that means everyone has to leave or that it can no longer You know function as currently is and and even says like evacuate. It's like, okay That's uh, I like hopefully we get all information as to why they've done that And uh, I hope the evacuation is simply because you know, you're not allowed on these grounds Like it would be like remodeling or they're selling it Or moving a whole new set of people in and you need to get the fuck out Otherwise they'll kill you or something like that which is weird because if your hotel changes hands typically the guests don't They don't really have to leave. It's curious. It's curious right strange. I wonder what they mean interesting choice. Yeah um, yeah, and so winston and charon ahead into the uh The meeting with uh, the marquis who's the new bad guy of this film and who we get an intro to and and I guess before then, um Winston is talking about what ned kelly's final words are because such is life And so I think the implication of course is that he thinks he's about to die especially if the hotel's been condemned and uh Sharon says you will not die today and he says you shouldn't even be here my friend. It will not be pleasant And he says such is life like oh man, somebody's dying going on this kind of dialogue without it and uh Yeah, as they enter the room you see another hourglass and I just thought that was funny again. I get yeah I can't not see it in law flip them over at the right time um, so marky man he's uh Bill scos God is that Yeah, yeah, uh who played the clown in it. That's basically what I know him from Um, he's in some other stuff. I just don't know that I've seen it. He's uh, he's an actor. He's fine. I don't know But the character that is playing is an absolute clown. Yeah, I don't like the character, but it's the same character we had Yeah, I was going to say it's joe mctoo's character guy. It's pretty much him Yeah, they're pretty much the same. They're just sort of like sleazy assholes who betray everybody Um Interesting Instead of having these quirky really interesting kinds of character the kinds of people that you think Who could exist who live in this like mega luxury super high up in these like assassin crime Kind of you know organizations, you know, it's just like interesting people No, it's just a jerk guy And also Ever like mentioned in any prior films because I do not remember them like ever being a thing Well, and you think why isn't the marquee Although they made them up completing you. I that's what I thought because like they weren't in for it all And why haven't they been used before? Why haven't they been? Yeah, why was the adjudicator used instead of the marquee? Well, yeah, the marquee seems to be like well I was about to say they seem like more well equipped, but it doesn't matter. They all still If I remember correct, it's been a while since I covered genre three, but uh The adjudicator pretty much had all those resources as well. She was able to pretty much I think assassin squad in there or like a soldier squad in there. It did seem like she could do anything she wanted I think But I'll say this guy has a power that I was very much unaware anyone would have the power to But we'll get there where it was seconds away And uh, he does I guess kind of introduce himself by saying he believes in rules and consequences and not second chances So that's that's just bullshit. That's a fucking lie He does not It's like we've got so little dialogue and it's already fucked up Well, only because you know what's gonna happen This guy sang that he believes in rules is hilarious. Yeah That's the way he says as well second chances are the refuge of man who fail It's like oh, but you gotta understand. It's all it's all see it's all foreshadowing. It's all It's him I quite I I guess I quite hate this conversation and it's gonna be difficult for me to explain why so you start with the marquis saying And he needs to he needs to explain what's going on obviously because we're like Why why have the new york people been fucked over and he says There are those on the table who blame this atrocity And by this atrocity is referring to the elder's execution by john wick in the prologue But I guess it's that it had boiled three horsemen He says that atrocity is blamed on new york. He says they believe it's this city They believe they have indulged this fucking place for too long And it's like, uh, what the hell does that have to do with anything? The first thing you think and this is what winston responds with is that it's like Well, we tried to kill john wick the last our interaction. He says I shot him and his response to that is he lives Yeah, like yeah Yeah, but like all of those other people who tried to kill him and failed Like The thing about it is no matter what the city that they live in No matter what you try to argue if everybody said and this is the way they go in the film winston knew john would survive somehow I guess But like it doesn't work john should have died what he experienced should have killed him and and of course in the last film Somebody should have gone down there and grabbed him Or that too, but yeah, I guess what i'm getting at right is the there is a way you could attempt to assassinate someone or kill them Whatever and someone looking at that scene could be like you weren't trying to kill them at all And you'd be like yeah was and there's there's ways to do that like you could just awkwardly not quite hit them You're like oh, fuck. I missed or you shoot them in the leg and you're like i'm just you know, really bad at aiming Oh, no, yeah, um, in fact, they do it in john wick three I think he shoots the doctor right and he he points exactly where he wants him to shoot him so that it won't kill him I think um that's something that happens and Yeah, I guess what i'm getting at is there's ways to do that but What winston did like you can't argue that that was an attempt to not kill john Well, I don't know the fact that he kept shooting him over and over and his clearly bulletproof suit not in the head at all That's that's the thing that would be it that would work except for the fact that he pushed him so far He fell off the roof and to his death Like not even winston can argue that he like can you picture winston being like he'll be fine. It's like no No, he's that he's that they had this cgi person because it's just not survivable It's not winston's fault. Yeah, and that's this is what I mean you can't actually blame him even though I believe winston didn't want john dead even but now it just causes us problems like why did you do that? Yeah, exactly like no matter which way you cut it there are problems Yeah, like none of this works So the idea that the mark he is like I blame you for john wick and new york because of what you've done It's like the last thing they did was give the best attempt at killing john out of everyone So that doesn't really line up um Anyway, he says he lives and he's polluting everything he touches and it's like okay So this is definitely about john wick specifically then from what the mark he has just said And so charon says Look, none of us are above the rules the continental's and their management are a reminder to all that we are not above the rules Which is a really weird thing to start off with. I don't know how to do with john wick Like yeah, what rule Is he's referring to specifically about health? Well, so that's the thing, right? He's not done yet And so it's like okay. Okay. I'm sure he's gonna make this make sense He then says john wick and he goes on to say something else, but he's cut off by the mark He says we're not here because of john wick It's like yeah, we are That's almost exclusively why all of this is happening You just said that john wick is the reason that the table have done this to the new york Uh continental. I have no idea why he said that This conversation's already just like we're just going places It feels like he made it clear that it was about john wick as well Um, and then he says john wick is simply the face of your failure, mr. Manager And the sand in the glass is merely an echo of my remaining patience And again, I want to clarify winston is the closest anyone has come to killing john wick He's come the closest All of the other thousands of people failed Well, I guess vigo in the first one actually almost killed him Oh, when he's he's did stab him didn't he but no, I don't think that's that's still not as far as close as uh, winston winston is the closest With that fall the only person that comes closer than winston. No, it's kind of the same is killer harkin He gets him nearly And then I guess john wick when he throws himself off a building, but you know Yeah He's gonna collect that bounty on john wick. Who's this john wick guy? I could be rich if I kill him And yeah, so it's like If it's not john and it's just your failure in a general sense Is he talking about the fact that he would have housed john wick in any way helped him or the fact that um As someone was shot on continental grounds, which is not something you can necessarily stop You can make rules against it and punishments i.e shooting john wick until he falls off a rooftop Unless they're talking about the defense of the continental that whole scene. This is what I mean I'm just like i'm not sure entirely just kill winston if you don't trust him at this point. I'm just confused. I know You seem like the type. All right. You seem like the type In any case, it's not just winston that they have an issue with like he said at the beginning. It's new york this fucking City this place and so you're like so wait, what does that mean then what are you gonna do and the sand runs out The hourglass Oh my goodness and we see in the distance the new york continental the enormous building Explodes it is a controlled demolition. The whole thing goes like the Within hours notice in new york So Kind of remember how we were talking about the first john wick and how was how there was this kind of relationship between the the police departments Of the you know of the world it seems and this this criminal organization And there was this we don't bother us. You don't bother, you know, you don't bother us We don't bother you kind of thing. There was this understanding that they both kind of operated Because almost all of the crime that's going to take place in the world is going to be of course dealt with by No police officers and law and it's a typical, you know, law enforcement and then you have all the the assassin stuff That's its own little thing You cannot blow up a building in downtown new york city and not have there be this massive Government investigation on the state and federal level Um, this is nonsense and it's dumb and it completely destroys any remaining If there was any investment in this idea that this kind of a world could exist sort of parallel Now it's like This world is the only world that there is there is only the world of the assassins There is no normal world with regular people in it Not like what we saw in the first film where it was that police officer shows up. It's just like oh, hey, john Yeah Yeah, I'll just leave you to it, buddy Like that kind of thing where it's like, yeah, I don't want to I don't want to deal with this It's like no the whole world like is just this world of assassins It has to be And this is you'll this will be an issue throughout the movie is that there are never Law enforcement just don't exist anymore Whenever there is gunshots or these massive fights and these these insane long drawn out, you know action sequences in public The police never get involved the police never show up These happen in public places people just don't react anymore Remember how in john wick won in the club shoot out like people are reacting to john wick being there shooting people Yeah, and there's people that want to get shot The same scene just has people dancing in the background while bullets are flying all around the place because nobody reacts to this world Or like the danger that it might place them in Yeah, and people tried to go with the whole like no no it can make sense it can it's like okay The announcement that this place was going to be demolished in an hour Was a surprise to winston and everybody in that building The idea that they could ever have prepared the building surrounding it or the civilians surrounding it for this thing And nobody in the continental knew about it Like what i'm trying to say is There would have had to have been a public announcement that this building's being demolished And that they would have to make Dream bit of room I don't even know where to begin But how this would have to be done in order for it to pass officially in any way shape or form Yeah, it's almost like they aren't in the real world anymore Do you think if I talk to like the director the writer or any of the actors and said so this is set like in an alternate Bizarro world right like or like some fantasy world or purgatory or something they would all say Yeah, obviously when the continental got blown up after an hour That should have been a big clue that when we're setting like a crazy fantasy world fever dream Do you think that's what they'd say? People made this argument in favor of tlj through like this is a different crazy fantasy world where anything can happen Yes, I think they would I don't think so but no way we can disagree on that one Yeah, there's no way they would they want this to be a part of the real world I mean every place they go is real is eiffel tower stuff It's also people and doing stuff. I I think the whole point Of this organization was was that it existed in tandem with the rest of the real world just sort of underneath it Um, oh, maybe I got myself clear I don't just think it's an impossibility that they could get this thing done And it would have insane consequences for the high table and everyone else. I think it's incredibly stupid that they did it Oh, yeah, this is only stupid Just putting your people in there Yeah, like I didn't think I'd have to explain that part, but I can if you want Well, why do you why do we not blow up buildings when we don't like the people in them? It's like well from a business standpoint. I mean it's like well buildings I mean we can blow them up but They can be used for something else, you know and also for for a guy who talks about rules and stuff You would think that he would have a perspective on like institutions versus the people within institutions Like you get the impression that if he talks about like rules and stuff and how important it is He respects institutions or believes that they are valuable But the people who defy those institutions are the ones who need to be gotten rid of So you could just still have the continental in new york with the rules that they were meant to be enforcing at the beginning But people who would actually enforce them Unless you believe that nobody in new york would do it and it's like oh, well, it's a new york mindset I don't know get someone who isn't from new york can get him in like The world exists There are other people out there who would probably take on the job of the new york continental And I mean isn't this really bad for all of the people who are part of this society Who live in new york that have no like safe ground that they can meet on to like do deals and stuff How does this not like cause chaos in new york for this assassin world? You just can't just do this with an hour That you can do it with an hour's notice is not great Imagine if there's some assassins in there who were in there because they had a problem They were dealing with it's like one hour to get out and they get out and they will get By like some rival gang because they have no safe haven and that's what I was trying to get at I thought it was a bit of a jump to kill winston, but I could buy that Like I'm like, okay fine. You want to kill him fine Um, but then it's like no we're gonna blow up the whole building Which I can't think of any reason to do that and they think when they wrote this And it's good enough to say the table blame new york. They hate this city. They've indulged it long enough It's like what the fucky what even though it is very specifically that john wick Like he was mad about things that happened to him personally But no that means the whole city is worthless new york one of the most important cities in the world And may I remind you how many how many assassins were around in two and three york? It's a lot and they have no way to go Well more assassins than people remember How many people did john wick fight like in the opening of three when that was like an hour after the So all those people from new york and how many was that I was like, what like a hundred people Oh, well, fuck new york. We hate it now because we didn't like john wick John wick specifically went out to go kill that guy in the desert. It's a show of force for anyone who helps john I guess. What is that what? Wouldn't that be way better to just kill kill winston if you want to do that? Yeah But because all the people in the hotel, they don't know anything about it. Yeah, most of them don't even know Like what the fuck is going on And then as we just pointed out most assassins we're talking about 99% of the assassins in new york city Who have been trying to kill john wick? Why blow up the hq? What are the yeah Just replace management. Why did you do this? And the answer is it feels big That's a big thing to do the continental's been in all three movies seeing it blow up in the fourth one. That's big The big thing to have happen Significant and there's some people saying this is all happening because the uh the guy was killed in the continental in the second movie unfortunately, uh koji Confirms in about 10 minutes time the reason this is all happening is because john killed the elder at the beginning of this film Yeah, yeah, it doesn't actually seem to have anything to do with the stuff that was happening in two and three Yeah Which which is weird when really the only reason why any of this is happening is because of that guy in two Like he is the most important character in the john wick world because like he creates the majority of the story Um more so than the dog did in the first film It's uh, I just uh That arbitrary kill he had at the beginning about one elder who wasn't even the elder that he talked to it was some other elder Like he's a different elder that he even said for the rest of the elders though You came here for nothing and he's like nah I could at least kill you and it's like why and all that's done now is get the continental destroyed As well as the elder even says there's going to be someone who replaces me Yeah, there's like The rest of the movie isn't john wick hunting down the high table or all of the elders It's basically running away from the marquee until he can kill him Yeah, like it it totally changes from what I thought was going to be happening and for which was the high table But they just throw in this new guy to be the villain Maybe because they thought that it was actually too insane to have john wick succeed in like destroying the high table Because even I realized like you couldn't destroy that kind of institution this We're just gonna have like a big old war with the hobo assassins and john wick and maybe they go and hire some more people that have You know gripes with the high table for whatever reason Oh, they'll be way better to like actually, you know recruit That's another thing these films never like to do This this poster i've got on screen right now. It's clearly fan made and can you see who they think is going to be in John wick four they got hallie berry of the girl the bad guy girl from episode the third chapter It's like nope. Neither are they ever here Like that's strange. You're like, yeah Instead we've got a bunch of new characters new friends new old friends that we've never heard of before that are super important to the Bloodline just keep popping up your company the new old rules that would have ended these stories like Dead in their tracks if anybody had mentioned them in like three Yeah, well, yeah, we'll go over how each new edition fucks up all the ones before it But it doesn't care each of these movies do not care about the previous ones They're moving on so, uh He then says, um You're no longer new york You are nothing your ex communicado and as such you no longer need the service of a concierge and he shoots lancer edex character Presumably in the heart as well. He's he's pretty much out and it's just like um Why Yeah, the thing is I know exactly why he does make it clear and I've got it I just want to I just want that to sit for a little bit of just why Why why why would you shoot the guy who's got like Nothing to do with any of this other than like serving on the phones as far as you know I don't even think they know he was shooting with john wick in the uh In the in the in the continental and he supports winston and everything he does So isn't it winston you want to kill isn't isn't that obviously especially if you don't give second chances Mm-hmm So it it feels really odd and uh the reason is he actually says in this moment I I was I was like god, this is I really don't like the writing in this film. It hasn't been made clear already Uh, he says as he's dying He says it's been an honor my friend and then it like shows winston and he says should have been me it's just like He probably could have achieved that with a look you didn't have to Immediately have him say that and then the marquee is walking above him Well walking while he's uh kneeling down. He says yes But it wasn't Why do you think that is and why? Uh, if you could figure it out then perhaps one of us will have benefited from this conversation Just okay Since perspective on that a couple of times in the movie and they're all bizarre. That's weird. Well, yeah I mean, I want to I wouldn't mind skipping ahead just a little bit to winston's theory on why he was left alive That that bizarre quote We can jump ahead to that Uh, so the hobo king asks winston why uh the frenchman left you alive And he says well if you kill a man he can become a martyr If you leave him alive everyone will think he's either a turncoat or a coward That's just that just makes no sense Yeah, that's just that's just a really stupid thing to say Sense I just I don't even see like what informs like that thought I don't even know where it comes from like it is like devoid of any like connection I don't get it and I thought if you're all either a coward or a betrayer The thing about it is if you kill him and then tell everybody he betrayed the high table That's gonna he's why would he who's who's martyr? Will he be? Johns Oh, no I don't actually understand anything about that that quote. I don't I don't know what he's drawing from at all And the reality is they didn't want to kill winston The writers don't like no we like winston. He's Ian McShane. He's cool. You know, okay All right, I'm gonna come up with something else Oh, yeah, I don't know that that's what we're told he he'd rather not kill him so that He can be seen by people as either a traitor or a coward It would be tough to think of him as a Traitor when you've taken everything from him like a traitor to anyone else or a traitor to john Who's he talking about? Like who just who's Who's the person who will have the viewpoint of him being a traitor or a tinko or coward, whatever But I think I'll make the marquee look like weak in Throughout history people who commit treason are known for like staying alive Oh, yeah, they never get killed We don't want to kill them because then they'd be a martyr A death penalty throughout all of history. Well, this is funny Go ahead. Sorry Oh, no, that was that was basically it Uh Like there's you might think like well does he need to kill him? You're like, well You might want to worry about it. You just killed what apparently is his closest friend You destroyed the building he worked in you've basically annihilated his career and you've told him like ha ha you can live now and be Be sad That that is a man who is basically one of the highest connected network of assassins persons ever Well, yeah, just because you've destroyed Have the connections to still You might want to not Make a huge enemy out of somebody whose best friends are all assassins is kind of what i'm saying Well, what if what if in that room he just pulled out a gun and shot you because he's like, well I'm just gonna kill you then like I killed my best friend. He blew up my hotel So i'm like, I'm just gonna kill it. Maybe they would check the guns on their way in That's the more well-known thing of like a man who has nothing to lose. I mean, that's what john wick kind of was Well, so like that was what he was in the first film Um, I was also in india at the time and so I was I was talking to rags and I think you said like If you don't kill him, he's gonna try and kill you and then like the next time we see winston He's devising a plan to kill the marky and it's like, well, yeah There you go. I guess that's what happens. Uh, yeah, of course He's gonna orchestrate revenge with with all of the of his his information and all of his connections And with the guy john wick who thus far in terms of the timeline in this world has had what has 500 people have fallen before him. Maybe Yeah, maybe like many people because because here's a I mean it might be premature to just float This is a thing because it's it's much more apparent like later in the film when the action starts Why are people even like trying to go for john wick? Like you can't get him Like nobody's succeeded like how many because i'm different freaking way I just got a pistol and i'm gonna be the one to do it. They just didn't do it, right? But I can do it at what point do you just go like no, you know what no I don't think I can do it. I don't think I just live I think that was a problem in in the second one already when they put the bounty out You just saw all the see all these people. It's like ooh bounty. Who's that john wick and they just start smiting It's like, yeah, I'm gonna get that And the first film was introduced as the man you sent to kill the bogeyman. Yeah. Yeah, um the The thing about because mark brought us up when we uh, we did the forge, right? He was saying You can understand it when you put a particular number on a thing that some people will do some crazy stuff But he was saying like it starts to get a little weird though and you're like, hey not five million six million not six million seven million Not seven million ten million. It's like How why is why is the jump from seven to ten going to encourage like a shit ton more people? Like surely seven is still enough for the ten million people He's just like okay with that That he just couldn't do it with seven million. I needed that extra three million And then like, you know 10 to 20 and it's like oh shit ton more people again It's like the 10 to 20. Okay. I mean that is double but like did you not want the 10? Did you not think the 10 was enough? Whatever you're doing with the 20 the 10 wasn't useful enough to you? Okay So like there's that direction But then there's also just yeah in a world where there is an assassin man Who maybe is famous for being really good at his job and then they put a big amount of money on you go after him That's like one thing But when he's actually like Categorically been killing hundreds of people that have all been sent to kill him of differing levels and differing technology and Literally locations from all over the world He's no other assassin just being like man I don't know that i'm better than all of them I think I think it probably really helps john that all of these guys think that the strategy is to Drive up to him or walk up to him with their pistols and try and out pistol john wick Um instead of like just shooting him from alarm a long distance This is cool thing about guns that they're ranged weapons And then you couldn't yeah. Yeah, it's crazy and you can like kill people You could kill people from a long distance with like rifles and things And how will them to fire sniper rifles do exist in the john wick universe Oh, yes, it's too late to pretend they don't You can't pretend that they don't exist and nobody ever uses Nobody ever uses a snot. Well, there's one guy who uses a mid-range weapon I guess you could say to to take out john. It's not like maximum range, but still and He's in this movie and he does try but there are obviously always going to be reasons to stop him Mm-hmm Oh, um, just those are just glorified punches in this game essentially like Did you do that on purpose you just said in this game? No, I do it all the time. I I don't know it just happens because glorified punches like but rags punches do more They probably do or in this fuck this easily probably do punches are pretty good in this movie That's like guys like all these people that need to get killed as we'll discover is like you just if you really want someone dead This is part of one of the things that you could kind of kind of try and temper and control with the rule system and how this Uh criminal organization sort of thing operate so that you're not constantly living in fear 24 7 That you're just going to die to a sniper all the time But in this movie their solution is not just no one uses rifles No one gets rifles and uses them as rifles Not only does nobody use rifles some people don't even use pistols Some people aren't even using the bulletproof belt Sorry suits There is no the uh the hotline miami sequence. I'm pretty sure all the guys in that sequence don't have bulletproof Yeah, that's what just normie peasants. They don't get to have them. They're low level They're like the villagers you could take them out easily They would have put up more of a fucking fight against john They would have grabbed him a broke his neck I'm gonna throw this brick at you That would do more There's no point in trying pistols Oh the man was just like a bull head and a hammer randomly in paris And so we introduce donnie yann. He's uh He's seemingly sitting down and listening to music while holding a little thing with a picture of his daughter and Like a pendant thing How'd you qualify that with he seemingly listening to music? I don't know I have so much I want to say and I'm just that's that's my problem whenever I'm summarizing anything I'm like trying to get to the point where I can start ripping into it But I'm like you got to do you got to get all the context out first and I almost like I'm not ready for that bit I'm like, oh, yeah, I guess you need to know this this this um So he's he's dragged in to see the marky And he's like I have someone I want you to kill and then he's like I'm retired and I was already like this is cliche Like this is just Guy who's clearly not in the business anymore is going to be convinced to be coming into the business And how do we do it? It's like well, we'll kill your daughter if you don't you're like, hey, there we go this This is one of those things that the rules should be Like really big on in this uh this criminal organization world where there are ways to get out of the business There are ways because obviously you're going to have people who just you know, I can do it for their entire lives They're going to stick around and but then they start a family and whatever and then they leave and they go to other things And they're out and they're done and it's over and the connections are cut You can't have this idea of oh anyone That we're just going to threaten to kill their family to coerce them to start working for us again Especially the rules would be against that right the the organization wouldn't allow that kind of behavior Especially someone like kane who for some reason Sees this as So it's either me or john. So it has to be john. It's like no, it's either you or the marquee That's the actual decision being made. Yeah Like you you've decided that because the marquee told you this that you have absolutely no choice when it's like I mean Fundamentally here like if if they're always going to manipulate you with your daughter You'll have stories where they'll just be like they'll go out in a blaze of glory because they know that if they're dead They can no longer be used their door. They're children can't be used as leverage if you know what I mean Mm-hmm But that never comes up and neither does the idea of him going against the table In fact, we only have one reference really to him saying that you never go against the table That's just we all know that's true. And it's like oh Even though the table of snakes that constantly break their own rules and don't care about you would all and use your daughter against you really Okay Yeah, that uh, I definitely want to work with them. They sure seem like good employers Yeah, it's uh Boring to me, but yeah, he's like all right then it's lame It's like it's like the trope of the bad guy who kills her own henchmen all the time It's basically that it's like, why are you working for this asshole? Someone said at this point is job like just neo, but with like more plot armor Like yes, he's more powerful than neo. Yes Virtually neo can die neo can die. That's the great point. Yeah Uh, yeah, so he just says I will serve I'll be of service and um, you might be thinking to yourself Well, none of this matters because john wick will be safe, right? He'll be hiding out somewhere and if they can't find him then they're screwed And that's when the marquee says to kane. I assume you have some notion of where he is And then kane says john has a few a few friends in this world and even fewer he would trust with his life And that's all we get he knows exactly where he is Luckily if you ever had the opportunity to shoot one of those people you would you do it, right? You wouldn't kill some other person you kill one of those few people, right? So that john couldn't use them to get revenge surely marquee you do that, right? I just can't believe that um The idea that like kane just knows exactly where john wick would have gone right now When he's had two movies before that he didn't go to this place He went to other places that he could theoretically still go to like you could still probably go to hallie barry I doubt she's gonna kill him. You still probably try the russian family. In fact, we know that he could try that And you know what kane knows he'll try that but he knows which order john will try these things It's just priceless. He really knows, you know, he's oh, he's smart guy Oh, yeah, he just knows john They were friends. You see friend knows Uh So what's that molly your mic is everything do I sound okay? He gets scratchy every once in a while. Yeah All right, not every once in a while. I only noticed at that one time there. I'm going a bit flimpy Like did it sound like it was an internet thing or someone else? No, no, no it sounded like uh sounded like it was crackling and if it was for everybody at a home, right? Then then it must have been like something with the mic or maybe the cable Someone just see what happens again because yeah, just let me know of course because And we can if it happens every once in a while. We could still hear you. It's no biggy. Okie dokie so They move on he's like, yeah, I'm gonna kill him now. This will be great And uh, we cut to osaka, which is where have we mentioned? Sorry. Maybe I just owned up for a second Have we mentioned that kane is blind? Oh, no, we Yeah, he's blind. Here's the thing. It's weird. We should I know it sounds like we're retarded for not mentioning mentioning this. It seems like it's a really big detail First off, they named the blind guy kane a little bit insensitive, but he's um, he's blind He's a blind guy. He cannot see his eyes do not work. No He is kane is like second to greatest assassin of all time possibly and he's blind Now you guys might be thinking oh, did devil powers no like no powers. No Weird's a toichi thing they're doing or yeah, like a daredevil thing No powers. Um, no powers And so now you're probably thinking well but But you but I'm just I was a blind guy now And that's a great question you have there Like we'll do our best to answer it I'm sure they'll work really hard to make it seem believable. So is it he clearly has powers? Yes He's not supposed to have powers though Uh, all right. Anyway, yeah, well, I'd be more on that when we get to it Then we get introduced to the next new character mr. Nobody. He's walking with his doggo and he enters the osaka continental And uh, we find out, you know, and I think it's better to say it now. So it kind of makes its run better he's been tracking john wick and uh His motivation and you can kind of piece it together from his notebook But not really but I mean it doesn't hurt to just say it now His goal is to keep john wick alive for as long as john wick is not worth the amount of money that he wants He wants about 48.5 million I think And the reason he wants 48 5.5 million is because he wants to buy a really nice big house for himself and his dog Yes So It is even though it's not worthwhile to kill john It is worthwhile to follow him around everywhere and use all that time and effort for your life to Like, you know do all the work and stuff I guess Can I just say Everything that I just explained. I think it was actually getting close to a place where it might work right up until you find out it's for a house I Yeah, what the fuck a 48.5 million fucking house. What? Yeah, because he doesn't seem like the type, you know Who'd want like this massive insane mansion and everything you think he just went like a you just a you know a place in the suburbs Well, imagine seems the type imagine that he's just got the notes on what money he wants and throughout the movie We never quite get it until like near the end. We find out it's like medical bills for a loved one or like someone has cancer You know that kind of stuff Something insane something really cost worthy or to help a whole bunch of kids from an orphanage that he's from Or is it just anything that's not I want a house. It's like something Because there there is an idea there. Yeah, this idea 23 housing market is rough I want to buy a house in Australia. I need 48 million dollars Well, no, that's the average house price in LA, right? It's 48 inflation Canadian dollars It's this there's an explanation for this, okay Because he's got a listing of millions of dollars They go from like 5 10 15 20 25 30 35 40 45 50 and he's crossed out I guess 5 and 10 because this is I guess at this point needs that 10 I'm not actually sure I need to check again, but yeah I think there were about he's hoping to just keep pushing up john's bounty until he gets it exactly where he needs it To buy an enormous house It's weird if he wanted a place he could just I mean, I assume he'd splint He'd split rent with a dog, right? So he'd only really be paying half. Mm-hmm I suppose half of this job is going to the dog Oh, yeah, pretty much that's why that's why the price has to go so high. Yeah Yeah, I don't know what to say about that motivation other than lame Like it's not that it doesn't make sense It's it doesn't make sense in the just I just don't see why the fuck you would need to buy a 50 million house Like I don't see it Well, what I guess what I would say is that I find it interesting as an idea to have a dude who's basically artificially like Increasing like the value of a bounty that he's going to claim that's kind of like interesting as an idea. That's the part I like But specifically to get like one house is odd I think I think I like the idea a lot actually of him having some like altruistic I guess the problem is that it makes it a bit harder to justify him making the choice that he makes at the end if he has like a goal that Satisfying would be strictly good for the world, you know Hence we don't make him a strange character that ends up kind of being a good guy. Maybe It's not even sure at the end. We'll have to talk about that when we reach it But uh, wouldn't it have been way more tense for john to find out that motivation and to be like Oh, fuck. What am I what movie am I thinking of this thing? I I'm not sure what is it? Oh, it's it's 310 to humor I haven't seen that it's um, that's a good movie basically so the premise in 310 to humor is that um There's a bunch of guys who are trying to move a very like the most well-known Vigilante or not a vigilante. He's just criminal Uh ever to a particular train at a particular time and his gang is catching up with them And so they start hiring a couple of people where they can and one of them is just like a farmer um And over the course of the movie the farmer gets to know that criminal pretty well and um There's like the the the criminal likes him enough that he wants to actually be put on the train by that farmer So that the farmer can get the bounty And uh Basically that aspect like imagine we somehow intertwined that that john is like almost invested in getting the bounty up So that the guy could claim it or something Is the the idea that it's just I want a house It's like well, yeah, that was never going to be able to be compelling and it doesn't come up He never even says what he's trying to get it for I don't think There is yeah, there there's almost like a a lot of stories that you could make about like Oh, I'm this deadly assassin and everything and like maybe that the premise is like he's he really is unkillable He's just that good. He's that insane But he knows that there's this this huge bounty that this essentially this tens and tens and tens of millions of dollars on him You know, what is you know, what if he's like, oh, I've got cancer or something or and I'm gonna die anyway Be ashamed to let all that bounty money go to waste and so he has to like, you know, just Something like that, you know, he's who's gonna, you know Let someone kill me so they can get the bounty because I'm dead anyway because of cancer or whatnot So I'm glad I missed the house pause like I guess the movie is too like it doesn't really mention it beyond It's all listed. He says like it's um Some real estate something it says daisy real estate or holdings. There's like a bunch of random notes I couldn't read all of them, but Yeah, there's a big old picture a drawing of a house with the dog and it's like Fuck man kill john now and you'll still get a pretty nice house A thought that's forming in my uh, this might be jumping the gun in terms of like a thematic thing That might be going for with mr. Nobody But maybe I'll save that for later if I remember it Yeah, fair enough of like something that ties into a theme that I was thinking about being present in the film And whether or not I think it's well supported or not Wasn't the tracker just following the bounty that the table was placing on john not setting it himself? Yes, I don't he's manipulating it. He's manipulating it by creeping john alive. I don't know Some people are getting the very much the wrong impression He is manipulating it by protecting john from killers the more people who died trying to kill john the more the bounty goes up Of course, and then it will get a point where it's high enough that he'll do it because he knows how to get him Or he knows how to track him rather Do you like the whole like I'm mr. Nobody I'm not on the grid, you know But that it's like how do you plan for us to wire this money to you? And it's like no no no you're gonna have to give it to me in cash. You're like Jesus christ And then how is he gonna be getting this house entering the market with like no details at all It's like I miss to nobody All right Yeah, that's I'm less concerned about that stuff because I'm just I'm also just like sad that that's what he wants like All right, he's like I want it in ones So I know they're not counterfeit you'd never counterfeit one dollar bit at that point They would just give him some complimentary warehouses where it's all put in There you go um So, yeah, that's that's his introduction. I guess he is in the osaka continental um And then we get the uh, koji and his daughter are the ones that run the osaka concert. This is all new stuff This isn't in the other ones. Oh, yeah, it's all new which isn't a problem yet, but it's about to be So Yeah, koji asks, uh, his daughter who is also his concierge that like what's what's been happening lately And she says all the guests are very, uh, concerned and he's like, oh, they're concerned with something They always are then she says well, you know after after after new york Uh, all of our guests are concerned about exploding. Yeah, pretty much. I think I would read too I would probably reach the news It's like, oh, the new york exploded I'm in one of those hotels Oh, no And she goes on to say, uh, your relationship with john wick is well known and the table might come And he says and they will be met with our grace And i'm just sitting like, all right. I mean, none of that matters if john wick is isn't actually here. So, you know, whatever It's fine. I don't need to worry about it. Um And then we we see john is just standing on the roof of this place. He's just there. He's just hanging out And immediately it's like, what are you doing? Why isn't he in a room somewhere like sitting down or watching tv? Why is he on a roof? If anybody like so many people could see him if they wanted a lot of people are looking for you john They were didn't it look cool how he's still there with his back turned. Wasn't it epic? Yeah, it's always epic because like And uh, the first thing koji says to him is killing the elder was a mistake my friend I was just like, yeah, you can fucking say that. Yeah There was no fucking reason to do it at all and it's just caused immense problems And he says uh, their response was to destroy the new york continental And uh, my daughter fears we're next they they killed the concierge to prove a point He doesn't say what the point is. He just says they proved a point And then john of course was like, oh, shit. I better get out of here. So we don't get killed Ah, sorry about that mate. I don't know What is what the what point they especially the point supposed to be made to me? And I don't know what the point is if I learned that Um, if the writers do that to make you come up with it To view it. Oh, maybe yeah If I look if someone came to me and said hey rags. We killed, uh, this guy you knew to prove a point And then they just laughed I'd be like I well point proof and I guess I mean, who are you? I guess the point is don't be my friend I actually don't know what what he meant when he said they were making a point by killing Lance Reddick's character. Why I don't understand What's the point being made by killing him? Maybe the you know, you better be careful because concierge is die and the concierge for you is your daughter You wouldn't you wouldn't want her to die. Is that it? I'm I'm desperately grasping at straws. I have no idea what the point of that was Anyway He says have you given any thought to where this ends the table's never gonna stop You know and it only takes life and gives death Which seems to get almost redundant. I guess it is redundant I mean, yeah gives death takes life. Yeah People saying the mic is scratching up again. This didn't happen on any of the resident live streams who not Made a little bit. I feel stupid. I haven't heard it at all For some reason Well, I guess I'll just keep going. There's not much I can do anyway. That's like, I don't know what's wrong with it um okay, so Uh, he says koji. I'm sorry for the inconvenience and he says friendship means little when it's convenient Though something that is worth noting here is john everywhere like bad things are happening when you go to these places Is that something that you maybe should be thinking about? hmm Like that you are actually kind of responsible for like for everything that's happening and is about to happen Well, I supposed to rewind a little bit. Um Where was this place in john wick doing three? uh in japan Who's just chilling out away? That's all he does. There's nothing. It's the whole world full of these hotels. He'll never get to I'm pretty sure this is something that came up in casual conversations about the john wick francia It's like he's like this very well-known guy. It's like he must have friends somewhere that Can help him out somehow in some way And even in john wick too like apparently john at antonio was his friend And yeah, see how that worked out for her I was like And I was like, oh, yeah, we're very good friends by the way. I'm gonna sacrifice my life my daughter's life Everyone's life Our army in in the continental. Oh and the continental itself for you. It's like, oh, okay I want to see a movie where john wick realizes that everywhere he goes they blow up because He can't be allowed to work We're actually gonna get an in-universe like acknowledgement of that being true, by the way And so what he does is he's like, all right I'm gonna go to the table's headquarters and he walks in and the table's like, damn we have to We're gonna destroy table hq john wicks been here They blow up their own building and then it's the guy with the hourglass comes running. That's my job He's like he's already there and he just takes it out and turns it over because he always carries it around I wouldn't be surprised at this point if the high table building was just a really big table like a huge table it's like You have to have breathing apparatus that goes up so high. Oh my goodness Uh, yeah, so John mc2 and three when he was He's ex-communicado currently and he's chilling out there, which is against all of the every rule ever Uh, but they the stakes of three are basically like he has nowhere to go and nowhere to hide Right and to for a portion of it Like oh man, he should have just gone here, I guess Which is uh, it just they don't care. I don't even know if they remember and I Increasingly annoyed at the fact that they refer to each other like what's happening here Is that koji is taking on an enormous risk? He's doing like a massive thing I know and there's gonna be people listening right now. So who the fuck is koji? I'm like, yeah, that's kind of my point Where did this guy come from? This is one of your oldest and most serious like friendships ever And we've only heard about it in this film like okay And and you know the the acknowledgement that what he's doing is well out of the bounds of normal friendship But he's doing it because gosh darn their connection is so strong. You're like, okay I Now it could be that I'm not remembering that scene the film because I know it's something that is touched on in terms of like What will happen because john wick is there but like is that there is no point in the film where like John wick actually reflects on the fact that when he goes and like to these people for help He causes them like serious damage Yeah, there's no recognition Like the him going there and it could be like well, yeah, but it's because the high tab was hunting you down It's like yeah, but it's because you actually did break the rules Yeah, he did consonants would be like a neutral ground and you violated those rules You knew what they were and you violated them And now like all of these people are suffering Because you go to them for help and there's just no point where john wick is like man like that's actually like shitting on me Yeah Like especially considering the consequences for it's koji, right? Yes, the consequences that he suffers like he goes out of his way To help john. Well, and that's what's so satisfying about it. They're such good friends. They've had such a long journey together, you know I was there was there some in the movie about how he had like this long Outstanding like beef with the table people or that he was like some revolutionary type He wanted to restructure the whole no koji says that he values friendship and brotherhood over the table And to be fair What else can they do? He's brand new like he's off the fucking like he's just been finished cooking in the 11 And it's like what what is this and you're like this is koji He likes friendship This is koji. He likes friends all right um So Yeah, you have that and then it comes back down and uh the guy's flipping through his little notebook the mr. Nobody And he realizes that the men who are now entering the place who look a little uh, a little conspicuous Right as you kept pointing that out You're just like why are all of the people who matter in this story looking incredibly specific and strange to commit to everyone else it's like Uh, a c's that they're all wearing a symbol and he checks his notebook and it represents like they work for the maki And I seriously was just like how does he how does mr. Nobody know that? Like how does it that shit was invented for this film? Like what? It's fine. He knows things. All right. That's his thing. He's like he's a tracker. Okay He's a tracker. They say that um Like assassins are a type of person in this world and the trackers are a type of person in this world And it's like we've only ever seen one him in this one What? It's for me like they cruise control with like a lot of stuff to try and Just hope everyone thinks it's cool and moves on It's just like he's cheating all the time um So then uh, the concierge notices all the maki men are here and she's like, okay evacuate right now Uh, which is just like damn I guess I guess, uh, we've already cranked it up in terms of we know what's gonna happen Yep We're ready to fight And so then we come back to koji and john and and and he says the only path this leads to is death And then john's like i'm going to kill them all And then he's like not even you can kill everyone you want to die That's your choice, but a good death can only come after a good life Which feels like just flowery meh like what does that mean? Yeah, because I just don't agree. Um, I But you're right It's flowery meh a lot of the dialogue in this tries to feel very Heady and meaningful And deep And like like oh wow it's so it's so profound what they said and they're just all these bangers But it's just like no, no, it really isn't it's just all shit non-sense like Darth Vader Kind of counters that sentiment pretty hard That's actually a very strange sentiment somebody could live like a shitty life But then come through at the end. In fact, that's like often an element of redemption stories, isn't it? Yeah, I lived a bad life But you know, I could sacrifice myself for something maybe you're supposed to do one good thing with my life To read something else into it. I don't know the thing is I don't know koji very well He's only spoken for about one second. So I don't you know, I can't think of what he might be thinking about Oh, well Oh, wow And I certainly Do not apply that line to the end of his story, but we'll get there mr. Koji. We'll get there Um, yeah, john says you and I left a good life behind a long time ago my friend I You know, I don't really know I guess koji seems like he's living a pretty sweet life though Yeah And I mean he's pretty happy like organizing this peacefully everything's chill and he gets to hang out with his daughter every day Yeah, he's got you know, nice place. Yeah, they make pretty clear. They the they're pretty tight as well to daughter and him They don't have like problems daughter looks out for him. It's like, hey, you've been doing a lot of work We should have some dinner and just chill out He's like, oh, yeah, that sounds great. We're gonna do that Yeah, I'll hang out with my daughter and go back to work later on and maybe call this money and doing evil work All of it's been bad. No uh So, yeah, uh, then uh She arrives actually she just stumbles into the scene and says, oh my god the high table here Uh, what's john wick doing here? And it's just like, oh my god Like are you gonna try to keep him secret at all and he just says mr. Wick is our guest and I will talk to them They don't know he's here To be honest with you because I know how films go, but I was just saying they're like, there shouldn't be any problem There shouldn't be a problem at all because There's no way they can't know john is here. They're running strictly off the information of kane saying he's probably here That's it And to be honest with you kane would have been wrong at any other point in history, but he still would have guessed that he was here So like just so happens that john actually was there And he's got nothing to go on and so the the ultimate question is what is the difference from the point of view of the marquis As to whether john is there or not In terms of their approach like because You can't tell the difference with this they they it doesn't matter if he's there or not. Yeah Yeah, uh so, yeah, he says welcome and then Mini boss, I guess is what we'll call him. He's around for the whole film He's like the table believes this continental is providing services to an ex communicator We require full access and he says yeah sure 100 percent obviously just giving you guns first because that's the rules And then he says we work for the marquis So no and then he says okay. Well, I speak for osaka and I require your guns, please And then he says don't make the same mistake new york made which I thought was priceless New york didn't get to do shit before they got blown up. What do you mean? The same mistake they made where the manager tried to kill john wiggler didn't do good enough Don't make that mistake. Don't make a mistake of throwing john wigg off a roof That's not what the citizens of new york knew what they did wrong They would be so upset imagine all the fucking men like the hotel people were in that Like rube when he when he said that like what the fuck did we do? I guarantee what he said like evacuate There's probably like one dude Who's not in the position to be able to get out within the hour or something? Maybe he was like wounded, you know, because a lot of people spend their time there to heal. Yeah, yeah It's like Don't make the same mistake. I don't even know what he means But the thing about it is it's like all you have to do is hide john in some secret area a secret compartment Then let them search. What's what the fuck is the harm if they search? Yeah, what's gonna happen surely you have many secret compartments that no one would ever find Oh, yeah big hotel So after he says don't make the same mistake Uh, koji says fools talk cowards stay silent wise men listen All right, so It's such a like i'm sorry. What the fuck does that have to do with anything? When you're listening you're also silent I i get confused i've been confused i wasn't It's such a just okay anyway, so like you respond like i appreciate whatever that is but Hello, it's like uh, hello, but in the background kane says at which one will you be? it's like oh I don't know Like hello old friend and they they ask each other about how their daughters are doing which is neat And then they're like right this doesn't have to end with blood. It's like okay leave then And i'm just sitting there like well, why don't you just say just let us search, bro? Just let us look around. It's it's not gonna it's fine. Yes, we will have pistols, but let's be honest We're not gonna use them. We're just gonna look around. Okay, it's fine. Nothing bad. Well, you think that there would be The whole point is that like these disputes should not happen Because there should be a rule when it comes to this stuff That they like reference like there should be someone there with like a a literal rule book To make sure that everyone follows the rules of how these procedures are carried out But they just don't do that It's just like uh giving your guns because it's a rule it's like well actually the rule says this So now it's like well well i as an audience member. I don't know which rule is the right one I have no clue. What what's the actual rule? And he says uh who's in the wrong? Cain says no one defies the table. I remember you once understood that And then he says back. I thought you remembered brotherhood This is just like, uh, what is this? What are we doing? John has like shown you can defy the fuck out of the table. He's been executing elders. What does that mean? Like oh, he's he's ignored the adjudicator Even the the hobbinger couldn't kill him even with his hourglass So I would say that like there's a chance you can actually push back at the high table They're all fleshy human people. You can put metal into them real fast And also there's probably a system in line to like kind of it It's almost like like a quasi legal system where if the table is essentially like the government, right? Like you should be able to be like, yeah, I've got grievances with the table And so I'm gonna fell out these forms and do this thing and I'm gonna maybe have this rule Such and such or we're gonna have this, you know, some people look over it like this. So like a like an You know like some system Something I thought was really kind of neat In the first one that they kind of build up as these sorts of systems that might exist in this world And now they only seem to be used to just bring out random plot things whenever they need it for the story They want instead of actually having an assassin system that has all these rules and you know like Books and stuff that could be interesting because it could be like essentially the flavor over all of These interactions and these fights of oh, we can't do this because it's against the organization's rules Or we have to do this because so it stays in rules and you can't do this because you know It's against the rules and if we want to do this that's that's that Would you want to know what happens next? I would love to know what happens next. It's so great It's the they have it in that little back and forth about brotherhood rules Nobody's gonna die. No blood loss. Don't defy the table They're in the lobby. Yeah, mini boss cuts in and says enough by order of the marquee. This hotel has been Deconsecrated step aside It's just like no, what you can't do that. What the fuck is your job? You're not you're not the hourglass man What is your hourglass? Not only that but just like what because we're still talking. We have it like calm down, dude Okay, like we Cain and uh, koji would clearly have it a back and forth and he just says like, no, I fuck you Deconsecrated And uh, yeah, just like The thing about that is to me. I'm just like, oh, well then I guess Yeah, just you get a What you may as well just can you just do that on a whim like this is consecrated. This is Flimpy mic. It was just for like yeah, I heard that as well there's It's only flimpy for a little bit though It's interesting. I just there's more of a disruption pointing it out Yeah, no, no just moving on if that's the case then we'll just keep power through it. I guess let's go Uh, so yeah, I just I never We've gone to the point now with that that was like a big event in uh, when did that even happen? When did when did a continental get deconsecrated was that episode episode was that chapter three? Yeah Yeah, that was a That was a big deal, but then they just he just like guy throws that out that's happened We had to fucking adjudicate. I like the special person come around to do that. It's like it's the consecrated now get wrecked And I guess because the because he's like the marquis It's also weird because the the 12 year from the table Give that french guy you have all the power and then I guess the french guy goes Yeah, but I want to watch here in my theater and watch the play So you have that power now and then you give me a call when you did the job So it's kind of has the same powers than him. I guess Maybe seems like it like what Does he has left less less less powers to need to give the guy a call before he does something. It's really weird You guys are watching the movie wrong. Definitely. Yes, we are um Um, so what so what in the chat had mentioned deconsecration culture No, pretty funny just on the spot to decad decanceling someone I knew that Yeah, I guess you've been deconsecrated that sounds like something that like a really cringe thing that a john wick fan would say Like you're constantly you've deconsecrated for that your ex-communicado um avocado But when he when he says it's deconsecrated like All the lights go down And then a green light is turned on because there's always special lighting in the john wick universe whenever we fight And that's a fight and that's those are the green fighting lights and kane is like don't do this koji and then uh I think the the miniboss guy takes a step forward and then koji says attack and it's like And basically he has I I don't know I hate this so much, right? Because we've spent like half an hour getting to our first major action scene And everybody all over the fucking planet loves it and I was just sitting there like Jesus fucking christ 10 seconds It's already a mess you have the marquee men They are all men in bulletproof suits. Well the the john wick bulletproof suits Um with pistols that is that's who they are. That's what they have There's about eight to ten of them probably eight six six to ten something like that let's say eight for the sake of it um Then koji's men are all a floor above There's about I want to say like 10 to 20 of those guys and they all have bows and arrows What they do why Because because japan because japan i think that's really famously known for not being up to date on technology I don't like I don't know what to say other than like that's just fucking stupid, but okay If they're amazing with the bows and arrows, which they should be Then they've all probably got the bows and arrows ready to take out Everyone of those dudes right just arrow to the head arrow to the head I'm sure all of them can aim and they're like what four meters away from their target Should be able to pull it off. There's more of them than there are even of the marquee men now That's the setup. So when koji says attack what i'm expecting to see right this for me feels like cause and effect You have the marquee man going. Oh shit. They look up Arrow all like just flung out and we're killing probably like six of the marquee men Maybe one or two of them doesn't get a lethal shot Uh, if they're lucky and uh, they may be attempts to throw up their stupid suits above their heads I don't know what else is but the thing is it should happen so fast that they're pretty much fucked You know what actually happens rather than an arrow really You know what actually happens What actually happens instead of the fight being over in a second two Two arches fire. That's it. None of the others. He says attack Two arches fire one gets a critical hit in the neck of a marquee man dead Okay Second arrow is fired at mini boss go into his head, but he he throws up his arm and it hits his suit So it doesn't count Well, that goes into his arm That's it because it Well, what about the rest there's like there was like a whole bunch of archers there with bows What about them? What'd they do? They didn't fire or loose. Sorry, whatever Koji man said attack I don't know if he talked to them earlier and said when I say attack I only want two of you to lose arrows. Okay Did he say it in English and maybe they don't like speaking? Yeah, only two of them understood because He should have said it in Japanese I don't know why the shit happens because I have no way to explain that. I was like, okay That was weird Why don't I guess you got don't you want to kill them or do you not or do you just want to kill some of them? But how come those were the two who got aimed at what if they aimed at the same person? And he just got two arrows and they're like, oh, that's not about you man If I was one of the marquee dudes, I'd be like shit Like that guy just got shot through the neck But one of them just stabbed there like well, whatever. Fuck it Yeah, I'm like, no, I don't want that to happen to me. No, I'm gonna put on a scarf made of that bulletproof stuff Yeah, and wrap it around my face I would love it if the films had that Like a character who has that and everyone's like you look ridiculous He's like, yeah, I'm gonna look at ridiculous for a long time because I'll be alive See you you Oh But anyway, the film seems to think something really cool just happened and the music starts up And I've just said they're like what is happening? And then the camera starts to pan and it shows all of koji's men drawing swords And I was like, what the fuck are you doing? You know, you want to go attack the melee combat style when they've got guns Yeah, but but but these are these are samurai swords Why? What good is your gun and your bullets gonna do against samurai swords? They just proved they'd bow and arrow worked use more of them But you have to shoot them for them to work No They shot two and two of them Yeah, um And then um, you know, we'll we'll go back and forth a little bit here But a fight happens between the marquee men and the bow and arrow men and the bow and arrow men and koji's men they lose And so they start running away like they back up into further parts of the continental and it's just like how How did this happen? Why should have been like attack and then all the arrows went into the marquee men and then they died That should have been what happened. Yes. It should have been what happened because obviously that's what would have happened And to re-clarify this is in a world of assassins the assassin hq of like I don't know if I could say the assassin hq of japan or anything, but like it's it's gonna be pretty significant a big place Filled with experienced men and women who've been killing people their whole lives know all about the tech and the Everything everything to do with it and their approach was firing two arrows and maybe using some swords Where are your like better weapons? Why not have Gas why not have traps why not have an enormous machine gun that just mows down people in that room when they try to attack Why don't you have any lockdown features at all? You don't You don't come across as if this is your job, you know You come across as an amateur and you found some swords and bows You're like, I don't know I guess we'll use these Like we've never trained for this or practiced for this There's no, you know lockdown procedure. There's no emergency button It's not like a panel in the wall doesn't open and there's just a browning into there And it's just just machine gunning everybody Like there's none of this some guys with swords and some bow people and they look like this is the lamest shit ever You had them surrounded and everything and the drop on them and you'd lost you suck You use your assassins and you're shit at killing people Yeah, and it's just lame to watch you never get to watch competent people having to fight competent people and outcompeting them Because they did a smart thing or they were more prepped But you never get that you just get well, they're dead now and you're like, oh Well, you know and and they start moving through the continental and Koji orders his two personal sumo guards to go and attack the now coming in armored up assault rifle team of fully suited people who are gonna who are gonna totally beat all of them It's gonna be great and you might be thinking to yourselves like what is sumo is gonna do against guns? That's that's where you forgot They're wearing All video game rule if you fat you got more health They got they got so much help but they also have like bulletproof kimonos or whatever they're wearing So that's got that too And they actually show them Lifting their arms up to their head So that those guys can't possibly shoot them and then they just It looked like it was awkward to film But they they sort of slowly sort of like punch The the guards and they just go flying and they just as if to imply they're like resident evil pigman type enemies Wait, whatever they do to you you go flying because of the force And it's just like they're just fat dudes Like they don't the guys these guys are wearing armor and they have rifles like Why are you telling like the sumo's wind? You're like, okay Whatever, fuck you It's like shut up. That's how that's cool. Isn't it? You're like, no It's really silly um Which I guess puts us along to the first donnie n set of action Yeah, um summarizing it is Gonna feel a little bit strange, but I'll give it a shot. I guess he is uh Goated on to actually get involved by miniboss because obviously miniboss is like Losing some men I guess here and there as you would and uh So he's like having some soup and he's just like, uh, fine. I'll I'll get involved I guess and uh him getting involved means that You kind of I think in a neutral environment You're just gonna be like but why would he be of any more use than all of your men with eyes and guns? If if you know what I mean, maybe that maybe that scene is a bit rude. He's just that good. He's just that good with his sword Well, maybe I'm skipping too far ahead because I've actually got the When john gets involved in the fight. I don't know which one to do first. I guess we'll uh We'll stick with the bad guys pov a little bit first. So staying with donnie and he uh He like just to start shooting his gun randomly and I I would suppose generously that he's just trying to encourage the other People to move back to be confused to be like, oh shit. What's going on? And uh to maybe miss their shots while he gets more into position But they fire their arrows and I think if I'm being hyper generous He's listening to those actions and that's how he can know where they're coming from and Sort of how to dodge, but you'd still have to be pretty fast and kind of lucky Because uh, you have to be really fast and really lucky and you're only you're essentially Operating off of old information Yes That arrow is already going to be very close to with you by the time you're reacting to the sound Um, so you know, it's the best they can do I guess but you could have just said like you didn't have to make him blind Yeah, I don't know why they I don't know why they get that Just like don't do it because they clear like they they try Sometimes but most of the time they clearly do not give a shit Oh, yeah, so this sword fighting people It's worth clarifying This is the scene I'd say that's probably the best for him in terms of action that I I'm kind of some of the stuff I'm okay with some of the stuff. I'm not but as anything going forward from here is terrible Oh, yeah, that's really bad. They just think I think they they they front load a lot of the attempts At convincing you that he's blind. Yeah, um, but after this it's just they don't give a shit Blind master trope for cool factor Yeah, okay Do you not see a bit of a cheat code there if we just have him do normal things? But we say that he's blind that people will like him more. You're like, okay I guess that works. He puts up little sensors the Ring sounds when people move past them and uses that to just shoot them Uh, basically so you can he'll remember where they are The thing I kind of liked about it. Well, so this is I fucking hate that this happens I wanted to be happy about this, but I thought more about it and I was like, oh, no, this doesn't quite work. So I like that he seems to be having fun And uh, there's one guy where he does like a flurry of punches really fast and then he does like a wind-up punch That's clearly just for fun and for show And he's like kind of having having fun with it And I was just like that's that's kind of cool. But then I was just thinking about how Wait, he fucking likes the people who work here and he doesn't want them to die Like he he already said to koji like they shouldn't have to be blood here We should all just do what we're supposed to do He even tries to give him an out soon after this part And that these people are all trying to defend someone and he's doing this only because he's been forced to under threat of his daughter dying It feels weird that he's having fun. If you know what I mean? Mm-hmm, uh I guess yeah Is like he shouldn't like he should be Well, do we have a character and well, this would be why it would be interesting to have the police show up every once in a while Uh, so you have characters like john wick and stuff who are like like not killing the police They they're they're they're just doing their jobs. They're not part of this assassin group Uh, you could have that with you know, donnie in here where he's Really trying to not kill him. He's hitting him with the cane Uh punching him. Uh, maybe he has Like if he had a gun that had rubber bullets or if he had a um He used the environment like pots and pans to hit him and knock him out things of that nature Because he doesn't want to you know, he's like i'm only here to kill one person Or something like that. Um But it's he might be in the clear for um, I don't think he overtly murdered that kills anybody here I think he only ever hits them really hard. I don't know. He does shoot with them Okay I just get I accept the power shot of them. Okay. There's a blind man with a gun Is literally what we've got. Oh, yeah, I think they actually Pretty blatantly show he headshots one of those is a blood splatter as well. So yeah, okay That uh for a second I was like wait, maybe that was what happened that he did only use non lethal attacks on him Because these people are being forced into a fight that he doesn't believe they should have to be, you know The Yeah So, you know, there's that and then of course this just this applies to every moment. He is on screen Um, he's just constantly incredibly lucky that no one's just shooting at him Without his knowledge, you know, there could be anybody anywhere at any time that shoots at him That's always going to be a possibility What could just be standing in the room 10 feet to his left with a gun pointed at him and he just wouldn't know It's just like is he blight? I'm just gonna stand here. Is this guy actually blind? Like I kind of feel bad Oh, never mind. He's a superhero kill Kind uh um So yeah, and then, you know, we are rewinding chronologically, but I'm just moving over to john wick's side of things, I guess uh They find out that all this is happening and then the girl uh, koji's daughter like takes off her Dress and she's got like combat gear underneath and she's getting a bow and arrow ready I was just immediately like for fuck's sake Why don't you have a pistol just anything something here at will of assassins? And it's funny because they'll show an incredibly effective bow and arrow, right? But it can't be more effective than a gun No And I know you know that You can't lie to me and she'll have to do some crazy moves too that are just like wow that shit's lucky It was funny john was standing there with her and some other guy And then that guy gets his head shot off the three of them are there Any one of them could have been shot, but it was him And it just it just makes me think like there was a sniper or a guy with a rifle He could have taken out john fucking wick right there, but he was like I'll take out that other guy first Yeah, this random guy with the bow He's a priority target over john wick Oh It makes me sad Yeah, they're all firing their bows and arrows and they're just like Incredibly effective against the super armor men And she starts doing this thing that I'm surprised everybody's chill with she Not only takes on men that seem to be four times her size in close combat like punching kicking and dragging around and stuff She does it to men in like full armored suits and rifles too and sometimes she'll take on two at once She looks like she weighs about 80 pounds She is an extremely lean young lady Yes, she does not she looks like the kind of person who just tries to not get into these These these essentially strength matches with yeah men Boy she's sure wow look at her go She's punching and she's kicking and she's spinning around and she's Some are salting over people and she's there's like there's one Where like the really big guy with a beard and she like lifts him over her back and like forwards And i'm like oh, yeah, bullshit. You can't do that There's no way we could do that There's a part where donnie yann manages to flip uh john wick from behind him over him when john had like all the Leverage and is a bigger man and I just wonder sometimes like Did he really not resist the the push and flip thing and then I'm like well That's not even close to was ridiculous of when she did it to the giant man So it's like yeah, whatever the fuck it anyone can flip any other giant man would have a very difficult Yeah, and she just does it like oh this is just it doesn't give a shit what we're actually shown on screen It's just whatever happens happens I guess we're getting close to highlighting What the key is to the action scenes in this getting a pass from everybody and that is that they are very They have great clarity and they long shots Yeah That is what I think distracts everybody from even really caring about the mechanics of everything that's happening Which uh, I understand and it'll absolutely work on me I want it on the record as it should be. I thought the throne room fight was amazing in TLJ when I first saw it Then I watched it again and again and again I was like holy shit. This might be one of the worst action scenes I've ever seen A recurring theme in like John Wick fights is that people will sort of run in to get shot When if they'd shown up like a little bit earlier, they would have gotten John Wick Just because he was preoccupied with something with a gun in their hand, by the way Like it's a lot of a lot of scenes where they have to stab him with a pistol Well, what I think Matt was pointing out is they don't exist until they appear on screen Like they can't be shooting off from a distance Yeah, and anytime that they ever do John Wick is ready for it There's like never a point where he's actually like not in a position to deal with the enemies I guess I'm gonna be like, well, yeah, I mean of course right because otherwise he dies I was like, well I mean what we saw in the first film was more of an effort being made by like John Wick to put himself in situations where he couldn't handle these situations But now with the vest vest is like a convenient If John Wick is in a position where he should get killed. Well, good thing He's got the vest the the suit he can put the flap up and then yeah Yeah, he never has to plan anything It's all reactive every time and he's just running around doing crazy nonsense things getting incredibly lucky Everybody struggles and is staggered for exactly as long as they need to be that he's prepared to take them out again And you might be like, yeah, but isn't it impressive though that everybody's doing all this choreography And it's all done in like these longer shots and it's like Yeah Really awesome It's just kind of a shame that all of this effort and work went into Essentially creating and constructing fight sequences that are shit Just really really watch them Yeah, like really well next time you watch John Wick 2 3 or 4 Just actually watch the fights take note of where everyone's standing how long They don't attack their refusal to just shoot John Wick in the head or how their stun times are just long enough To where they're out of the picture Or or just how the how people oh the insane inconsistencies on how people react to being shot by bullets Oh, yeah vests and everything these fully armored guys with the yeah, you want to say it go ahead These fully armored guys they you know head to toe essentially in bulletproof armor And they'll just take bullet rounds to the face and it just gets stopped by their armor And it'll be fine. It's as if nothing ever happened to them But then if they get like punched or sometimes that when they get shot somewhere else It'll like stun them for a while Or they'll get hit by a nun chuck and then they'll just be absolutely staggered and on pause And it's nonsense. It's absolute nonsense. There's there's no way an assassin would rely on these insanely inconsistent methods Of you know incapacitating people. It just wouldn't happen. It wouldn't work This is a john wick is a character who acts as if the plot is Just changing everything in order to work for him. It's probably with mentioning the world work for him We're currently judging the best action scene in the movie Yeah, probably I I can't think about it. I mean there's the Oh, yeah, probably because like one in power the one in paris is like insane Yeah, there's a couple different ones that we have left is one that might be better than this But holy shit. Do they get really bad when you hit the end? um, but yeah, so is that I suppose uh Koji I kind of I think he because he's uh, he's walking with a little bit of a limp and uh, His daughter's been tagged as well by a bullet. Lucky. She's not dead or anything. It's fine She kind of fights and the bulletproof stuff like the others were Yeah, yeah, she she actually wasn't even though the uh osaka continental has that tech Because the sumo's have it, but his daughter doesn't have it That makes sense. I wear that outfit. What what's up with that black skimpy It's not skimpy that that tight black outfit you have underneath your work clothes When you could just be wearing the bulletproof stuff Is that your battle outfit that you just have on you at all times playing fashion souls Okay, well next time maybe you should wrap that up in that bulletproof fabric that everyone else is wearing I just it's just unbelievable a little bit, but it's like whatever Just move on. Um, yeah, they they basically say john get out of here. Just go and he's like, oh, okay He offers to stay but they're just like no no no just go and so john moves through and he He's at the doorway of this this fucking set me off so much as well Everything does in this movie this enormous room filled with panes of glass and frames everywhere It is a john wick action room It's like yeah Exhibition room it was after uh episode not episode chapter three. Sorry Um, when you remember how he kept getting kicked into the glass. I think it was at that point It's like, uh, yes room room full of glass means an action scene is about to happen here And there's gonna be a lot of shattered glass And uh, so you might be thinking to yourself like, okay, so how does he approach? He immediately sprints into like the middle of the room and just starts shooting everybody Yeah, this is so annoying Man if you guys could see it it's he just like runs into the room and there's like three guys right there with guns And he it it almost looks like they're just like covering their hands Covering their heads with their hands and just sort of started shooting blindly towards the other people and like guys this This is john wick. I think couldn't shouldn't we be doing better than this where he just sort of runs Essentially blindly into a room and just starts shooting He's just surrounded by guys and he just shoots Are we really nitpicking john wick? You guys are kidding, right? So can you can you help me like when I see that these films get like 75 75 and 78 on metacritic What am I meant to make of that? Am I meant to make? Yeah, man These movies are really stupid, but they're fun action films or am I meant to make? No, they're actually like They're not like commander or something. They're actually like quality more so Is that what I meant to like I don't get like why can't this apply to star wars? Why why doesn't it apply to star wars? Yeah, exactly. All right, all marvel movies You make of it that people are entertained. Yeah, that's no I make them more than that though. There's another element to it like that It's that it's it's actually like good. It's not like, yeah, it's dumb fun I don't see that when ign gave it a 10 out of 10. They weren't saying it was dumb fun They were saying it was like a fantastic film This narrative there's some people who for some reason believe that everyone agrees It's nonsense hilarious fantasy violence. No, that's not true. People consider John Wick to be like very very good. Yeah People think this shit is like well done and not something you're supposed like I think people would concede the staircase was a good laugh and it's like the whole thing is a good laugh Who cares about what ign says? I mean we can keep saying a lot of people do a lot of people do Yeah, ign is a very popular Have like Their reviews for video games tend to get like hundreds of thousands millions of views and it's more so like I don't need to go to 78 on meta critic means a lot of people more than 50 percent of the people who reviewed it gave it like an eight or above By the sounds of that We don't even have to like try and get people to engage with a theoretically better. John wicks like it exists called john mc1 It's called John. Yeah, I was good I think that's what I find lame about the conversation is the notion that like this is the only kind of john wick film That could ever exist because people think that the first one was silly as well like the other ones like no It's not it's not nearly as silly as these films What would be said to be the silly part of john wick? I don't know. I I guess they would say just the very premise of like john wick, but it's again It's like you've forgotten what it is. This happens with a lot of franchises the longer they go along Is that they sort of like the caricature that they become sort of retroactively gets applied to like the older thing When what happened was changed And the change was kind of gradual, but really it was like to totally change what these films were gonna be I just I just refused to be Like I was about to say gas if i'm so tired of hearing that Term that annoys me I refuse to be told to believe that everybody sees like the death of Sharon or any any character of significance in these movies and goes Oh, there he goes Like yeah, that's not the case like I think that this is basically what gets defaulted to the second that you start to realize That the film does have like serious storytelling flaws Like at the beginning it is oh, it's actually quality And then as soon as you start to delve into the flaws and the storytelling that connects these action scenes even like problems in the action scenes Then it defaults to lie fun with it, which is fine. Like if you enjoyed it, that's that's fine Yeah, like that's totally true. Just don't say it's good though Yeah, that certainly not. I mean all the people I've spoken to who is saying John Wick is a fucking great movie Whenever you start talking about the story, you'll immediately find out. They're just like that's I mean sure. I don't I don't even Whatever It's just like damn This story isn't even being taken seriously Love it because they don't even remember like the key points of what happened Nobody knows what happened at John Wick fucking two or three. We do We know what happened in it And here's the thing like you know, I look at a film like die hard that's an action movie with a lot of cool set pieces A lot of fun moments But like I can defend die hard as a story Like I can appeal to what the work that it does with the characters. Well, so A movie that is more intentionally enjoying its goof factor I would say for action and what it is is predator and yet the action in that is way better than in this In terms of making sense what characters are actually doing and of course and creditor as well Like telling a great story as well terminator is another film terminator and terminator to have great set pieces Like they have that pieces But there's a story and characters and thematic elements that are binding it all together and making it into something better like It's almost like I it's funny people said this for us about the last of us I think it is actually the case for John Wick The like the standard especially set by like superhero films is so low the like John Wick sort of like John Wick gets elevated more than it should Because like the story that connects it all together is just bullshit Like I want to I when I watch a fight scene What maybe that's just the fundamental question that you should ask What makes a fight scene good? How come I can watch some fight scenes and they're just terrible and stupid and I hate them, right? And how come I can watch other fight scenes and they're really really neat like what you think the You think when luke and vader fought on cloud city like that was like an amazing sword fight? No It's fine. I guess But that's an amazing fight sequence It's more than just It is like there's more to it than just what what you feel when you're watching it that first time your visceral reaction Imagine the John Wick. Well, you don't even need to imagine, right? It is the first John Wick of like character informing these set pieces and action scenes Way more than is the case here Yeah, when I see John Wick fighting people I want to Feel as if that could actually happen That he's not protected by like a meta plot. You know, he doesn't have plot armor. The only reason he's not dying is because um Did the plot just doesn't want him to die? I want to see him taking actions moving around and And behaving in a way that makes me think oh, this guy really is good Look at what he's doing. Look at how he's behaving. Look at all the things that he's, you know, accounting for That's why he's not getting shot not they gave him a bulletproof suit and enemies just cannot hit his head ever Regardless of the situation he's in Like I wonder how far you could push it What if you put John Wick in the middle of a room with 20 guys with rifles and they all shot at him and There was no cover and yet he never anybody just spun around and shot him all with his pistol like what would What would that be okay? Would that be Acceptable if it looked cool. What if there was some cool music and there were some red lights What then you know, it's like how far can we push it? Yeah And uh, you just don't see these defenses rolled out for the things with the like more collectively Like Mando is now at the point where everyone just shits on it And it's just like it's no different than when it was fucking being praised. It's the exact same crap Yeah, it started out the same way as it is now It's and it makes me believe that the meta surrounding each of these stories Is actually what determines how good they are. It's nothing to do with the stories anymore It was that way John Wick 4 is cool in the context that it exists not as its own thing It is cool in the context of look at these marvel films failing and there's like Franchise is failing not like John Wick which is also a franchise at this point with multiple spin-offs and like stuff happening Um, how long does it take before John Wick becomes so like prevalent? It's just a thing that keeps happening with more sequels spin-offs tv shows To where like, you know, it starts to It starts to wear out its welcome at some point It's gonna happen It's just gonna happen some point people are gonna start cloning on John Wick franchise because it's going to be silly And then we're gonna be sitting here. We're gonna be sitting here. It's like really again We already have the same stormtrooper problem. I don't know for lack of a better term We have like hundreds potentially in this movie going after john and none of them are a threat No, none of them. I don't care. It's like, oh, there's 17 people going to john. You know, okay He's gonna kill them all I know and suddenly got highlighted almost I don't know if it was by accident a little bit there by Rags talking about the cloud city fight like one of the biggest things about it is that we feel Incredible tension Because it doesn't seem likely luke can win this and vader's like this huge force that's there But vader's deadly and he's he's he's um, he's intimidating And there's this tension because you know that luke is completely outmatched before luke even goes Obi-Wan and yoda are like, yo vader's gonna kick your ass. You you are not ready to fight vader And then sure enough, that's what happens. That's why there's a lot of tension during that fight because you know that there is going to be believable realistic and intuitive consequences To you know luke doing this and then you've got the Who they are and what they mean to each other and what their goals are and then the big revelation at the end of that fight meanwhile like Every john wick fight is so impersonal the only one that's like you could not say that for is the final duel At least there's something there, but it's been built out of this film. It's not been built with more Everything else is just a thing that needs to be gotten through Um, which is really awkward when getting through it leads to story stuff that is bad And that really like I don't know how many people well, I guess. Yeah, I don't know like I Character informing these action scenes would just make the film like better instantly. I don't see how it could make it worse I think except the problem is of course They're all just faceless mindless automatons that he's just shooting down They may as well be robots like there's nothing to the enemies And and you know, like I said, that's not something you can't do I'm just saying that after I see it for the 10th time Across these films that he takes out an army of robots. I'm just like Okay Yeah, yeah, he they shoot the gun and the robots fall over or they shoot the blaster and the storm troopers fall over Is wasn't that a good action scene intellectually dishonest? Penetrate here kill bill clearly gets goofy and defies the laws of physics But I've yet to hear the crew criticize it like this. We haven't covered kill bill We haven't covered. Yeah, we haven't done a coverage of it But if we talk about Also, that's just classic what about ism too Yeah, yeah pretty textbook. What about ism? But there's a lot of really good things about that fight There's a lot of really good things about that fight. I don't know how else to put it sometimes It's just like if you haven't we haven't given detailed coverage of a thing Then uh, why would you pretend to know what we think about it? like in detail Yeah, all like very specific points of potential praise or criticism of like scenes in a film Yeah, like we haven't done that with everything Every time we talk about a film we need to qualify it with every film we've ever seen as a point of reference Yeah, I mean we'll get there, you know we're chipping away We recently did all the final destinations last Halloween. Now you guys know our in detailed opinions of all the final destination movies. How about that? It's very good. All of them are very excellent top-notch films. Excellent. That's peak cinema. It's all downhill sense Like non Ironically speaking like it's like yeah, you now know our detailed opinions on Jurassic Park as of recently like that That's a legitimately That's like in the library of efab now Where it wouldn't necessarily have been for a while if not for certain events coming together or whatever like anything could happen We could cover whatever whatever point you'll get to know how we would Pull this in but If you're really going to pull the card of wow you let other things get away just like you don't let other things get away with this You you hate this in lots of other things. So what's going on? How come this gets the pass? When mando runs through the in season two episode three when mando runs down the hallway getting blasted by all of those Blasters all deflecting off of him tumbles through the ground throws the grenades and blow him up. Why do you say that's bad? But then this is good when john wicks running around holding This suit up to his face to deflect the bullets while running around and like shooting people. What's the difference? I don't know. I don't know this one's cooler. This one's more fun And I just think that uh, I just I just try to apply sort of the same standard to both of these things and Yeah, one of them works and no, that's right. None of them work One of them works like wait, which one? Apparently john wick works. It's been uh annihilated in the box office doing well Yeah, it's uh most successful john wick film in terms of like Opening debut. It's already made like 150 million dollars Which look I will say that I would I would prefer to see something like john wick make money to like ant man Yeah, but at the same time, I don't like the notion that like, ah, yes, we're there. We got it We know that more john wick four. I don't like that Uh, it's like a lesson to be learned Well, yeah, if someone because people have been talking about that What do you think the studios will learn from john wick four being successful? I'm just like fucking fast. The furious is already the same lesson. Yeah, like kind of It doesn't need to be a superhero thing But it can still be crazy like action scenes would like a story that barely pulls any of it together Yeah, because some people have said this is a compliment. Some people say it was a criticism I don't know where I stand on it, but john wick is a superhero franchise at this point. He's not a normal man Yeah, no Yeah, exactly Makes captain america pale in comparison almost He does actually kind of yeah So someone on the subreddit like two days after this film came out made a post saying he's fucking wolverine in this movie And obviously what they were referring to is he does get fatigued. He does take damage But in a matter of moments, it's all undone like his healing factor is insane Very superficial. Um, and I think that I think that really have you guys seen um That's I think it was 1977 the duelists the duelist um Or you have these two guys who are fighting the they fight these duels over time And you know, they'll they'll fight with some swords here. It's like some rapiers here. They'll do like uh, you know They have a fight where they're just wailing on each other with um With sabers in this essentially this basement And they're just wailing on each other and they're smacking and they're just so super tired And they could barely lift their swords and and the duel has to be called off when they essentially collapse onto each other And they have to pull him apart um And it's just you don't get that with this you never get the sense and that john wick has been through this and you know By the time the sixth fucking car hits him I'm like it just it's just like does he he's actually impervious He's only going to get hurt or die when the plot wants him to What I what my eyes are seeing when I when my eyeballs are watching the screen and i'm seeing the cars Just hit him over and over and over. I'm like, well, I I just can't believe what you're telling me anymore. There's this disconnect between what you're displaying to me And what's actually happening in the movie. So it's like at that point. Why am I even watching this? What's the point? That's what I said like, uh, you can't assume what our opinions don't kill bill Ah, and yet you that assume the opinions of someone on bandeau from this. It's like I literally preface that I literally prefaced that with saying I could just do it back to you I don't know how you missed that. That was my point was the I we can what about each other forever on different things instead of just addressing the current subject, which is what we're trying to do Um There's another thing that was annoying me as well. John doesn't pick up any of the rifles in the First and second action scenes Mainly annoying rifles and magazines everywhere in the third Action scene he's in not including the opening with the horses Um, I remember thinking to myself like I guess he just hates rifles or some shit I know he's used them before but here he's just he's focused on pistol He ain't using rifles and like a split second after I had that thought he picks up a rifle and I was like Fuck's sake Absolutely just pissing me off like now he grabs one all those rifles for that log And just just no I'll grab it later Are better than pistols. I think he shoots it Maybe four times then he loses it and then he opts for nunchucks and I just But it's so cool how he hits them with the nunchucks when they're all these perfectly good rifles laying around apparently people loved it I couldn't get over I was like there's so many better weapons right there It takes some ages to kill one person with nunchucks probably because they're nunchucks and they're wearing body armor That could be why I'm not sure Uh, so I was just like man, there's some better weapons on the floor, but you know, it's fine Don't you worry about it, john We've got to keep the fights going we've got to fight with a new weapon Right because it's that logic that dr. Strange two had we got to see different things otherwise the audience will get bored We can't have him just pistalling everybody and it's like yeah, you didn't have to I don't know why you thought that that was like the default position He always has to be in if you ever felt like when watching these that they Always want to make sure they have john wick run into a room with his pistol and then fight between one and three guys Yep, um, and once he defeats that section the next section spawns Yeah, that's what they do and totally It changed back and forth between the soldier guys and the marquee people Yeah, I don't know if you guys if any of you played uncharted Well uncharted one has a long time ago waves Like that game has waves more so than the second one. So like you go into an area You usually fight two waves then there's like a little pause for you to like reload get weapons and stuff And then the third wave comes into attack you um, so it's john wick has a very similar structure to the first uncharted which um, it's not a fantastic game uncharted one In terms of that kind of design philosophy, but hey keep it alive and in movie form, I guess Um, why you're taking john wick so seriously. It's not at all meant to be taken seriously Just gonna keep pointing to the metacritic scores. I'm sorry 75 75 78 that isn't it's dumb fun That's not what that score represents the film clearly wants to be taken seriously I'm gonna talk about anything in the matter The film itself this film has deaths in it. It has thematic through lines about what death and life mean friendship like it's a lot of significantly serious moments that relate to a lot of different character sacrifices or uh Different actions that have taken the idea that this is a clown movie on purpose. It's not true. That's just made up Yeah, this like really like there's a lot of scenes where characters are talking and they have these Heady meaningful things about no death and moving on and you know What are we gonna do and our plans and who are we and you can't even overcome your nature and And stuff like that like there there these this isn't just a Like so like batman and robin. That's a dumb fun movie, right? Yeah, like John week one wasn't a fucking clown movie people keep telling themselves that it wasn't it wasn't Go rewatch it. It's not a clown movie. It's a normal movie. Yeah There are like little beats of comedy here and there in the movie like oh, ha ha the police officer Is he knows what's going on and he's gonna leave because Things like that like they happen throughout these movies, but that's a whole lot of movies I mean Jurassic park isn't a comedy But there are some funny lines in it, you know Well, we can't go around say to all those directors that make these clown marvel movies. Oh, you have to look at the gap Not a cabbage What the weight that comes with the old movies Well, actually and then we and then we then all the audience goes like yeah, but the first was a clown movie as well It's like the other way around like it was it didn't go from Like you have this through line from the first one Or like the the baseline the floor in the baseline from the first one is like, oh, that's pretty serious It's pretty straightforward and then we go to the second one and we go clownish and then everyone is like, oh I guess they were all clown movies then Especially after the fourth one. It's like That that would start to rewrite history. I think it's like it's always been this stupid, right? And it's like by the way fast no furious the first one not a clown movie Yeah, but the rest of them are pretty short clown movies I'm not even saying too fast too furious is probably a normal movie as well I was a think it's funny that I wanted to say cabbage instead of a baggage I was I was actually about to say like cabbage. What is he thinking about the police? But it's almost like a refuge you could always retreat to like oh, it's silly fun As if that's always like see it's okay You know, it's okay that you know all these problems exist because we could say oh, no, it's just a dumb fun action movie As if that was just a dumb action movie That's just only the writers and directors would appreciate people saying that it's this It's dumb fun clown movie. Yes. Well, they go forward. That's the thing. I want to treat it with respect I don't want to ignore it and all of its choices in writing as like whatever. It doesn't matter None of it matters. You're just here to go. I like the lights or something I I want to give it more than that Even if I don't think it's good I want to There's much respect for like filmmakers. I'm sure that the filmmakers themselves have Yeah, uh There are plenty of things to praise about the movie not a lot of it's in the script. That's all A lot of it is from the filmmaking standpoint like cinematography lighting framing Yeah, like all of that's excellent And yeah, we get the actual things are happening and the script are shit That's what the story is You have a lot of just inconsistent levels of force Like uh, he can shoot people twice the pistol in the head and they still come at him Because of the helmet things but he hits them in the helmet with a nunchuck and they like down for the count It just feels weird. It's like, okay Sure, there's a guy he hits in the leg with a nunchuck who then is like on the floor going like, oh, no Just like what I mean, you could still What are you doing? it's uh I guess propulsion and force they're all plot-depended it depends on what they need at the time it never been And that's not a john wick four thing. That's a two three four thing A lot of this is two three four things Um, and yeah, and they arrive In waves so they don't arrive together Because it makes you wonder Like if kane came in to fight him at the same time those guys did would he wait back? Would he I don't even know anymore like you should just be dead So you never there's never an amount of people or a particular person that comes in you think oh, shit This this matters. You're just like no It's gonna be the same scene again and again and again Even with mini bosses of any kind Yep Once uh once john wick finishes one group you could bet another group is just they're just right there They're coming in right then like they were waiting for a cue Like it was a movie. Oh, he's done with this one. Keanu's done with these guys now you guys come in Um, so yeah, kane introduces himself, which is an interesting plan considering you're exclusively there to kill john And uh, I was thinking to myself did um Did koji not warn john about kane? Uh, not sure. I don't think he did I don't think he did either. I'd have to recheck but that's a kind of a hookup It's dangerous like an introduction between the two well not an introduction But like the first time they've aware like the first time that john is aware of uh him Is yay It's the kind of thing like they're considered really old friends kane and koji and koji and john are and kane and john are so You know It's like don't you think you should be like by the way kade knows that everyone's friends with each other It's like a secret Oh, you know him too. Oh, you know him. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I can't believe it. Ah, man. Wow Yeah, he seems to be surprised about it. They they have like an introduction um And then I think they pretty much just go like john and he's like kane And then it's just boom boom boom boom shoot shoot shoot shoot Uh The the the thing that strikes you immediately is that It's kind of funny after resinable four as well because there's a certain enemy in that game Where you can essentially just walk around them the whole time as long as you stay below a threshold of noise If you crouch after sprinting around they might try and chase you but then they might have no idea where you are The reason I bring this up is the kane being blind You have an enormous advantage Uh because he has no clue where you are if you stand still and don't do anything And uh, that's displayed quite heavily in this but john doesn't really take advantage of it other than one time And it's way later in the in the scene when it should be like the central mechanic that surrounds those fights with him Um, I mean there should really be fights because you just shoot him in the head, but They're it. Oh wait, how come So like the blind guy he like uses sound of course to try and see where everyone is Like wouldn't his wouldn't his hearing be absolutely shot after all of those all that gunfire Going off Like especially if you're in a if you're in a room like a kitchen And you've got all these pistols rounds going off and you're supposed to be hearing for people Like you shouldn't be able to hear a damn thing after all those gunshots your ears will be ringing like crazy It would be pretty difficult to focus. Yeah But this is this is the movies and guns aren't loud They're loud enough for people like notice, but they're not actually loud That would sort of just get piled on to the rest of the issues I would say like it's because like I would probably be able to forgive any one of these things But like when they were all together just like wait, what did you do? Well, there's something that really pissed me off is uh cane shoots at John John lifts up his jacket boom boom boom boom boom and then they go both go behind walls and You think at every move counts. What does John do? Well, he sits down on a bunch of broken glass and then fiddles with a guy's hand and at the pistol that guy's holding And then make sure that it's ready to shoot and I was just like wow You just made a shit ton of sound enough that cane would know exactly where you are, but he doesn't capitalize on it He never throws anything to distract cane Which is like the number one thing that the obvious thing that comes to your mind to the point where it's Kind of weird that he doesn't do it. It's just obvious. It's like it's obvious That's what you do if someone can only hear you you throw something across the room So it makes a sound somewhere come on And uh go back to talking about dialogue again cane says you should have stayed out for all our sakes and john says I tried And he says did you? And that's it They don't talk about that ever again. No I am so fucking sad about that. I was like, ooh, that could be interesting tell cane What happened tell cane why this all went down the way that it did and maybe that will actually convince him to go against the table instead Does he know your story? Does he know anything about what's happening? No, we don't talk about it That is it. That's all they ever say about it Fucking lame even though it's something that yeah, like he's Cain is judging him for yeah, it's like a decision. He made why didn't john work say they killed my dog And then he came would have been like they killed his dog. Oh wait. It was they took his dog That was the joke in south park wait, wasn't it? It was yeah, it was like they took his dog They took our jerbs. Is that what you're referencing? Yeah, I was about to say you mean you took our jerbs. Oh, you guys don't have the deep south park law There was an episode we were making fun of wwe And there was this guy. He was like a proper wrestling teacher and like he He thought like Like the kids wanted to do wrestling, but they didn't realize that like wwe is not like the sport of wrestling And then the wrestling guy shows up at their thing and he starts talking about how uh, they took his job And all the rednecks like they took his derb and then and then he starts talking about how animal control came and took his dog And they're like They took his dog The best part is when it devolves into noises like They broke his jaw as well And then there was actually like a rooster that just did a cockadoodle That's right. Yeah But it is it is the best when it starts to do right to like A fun south park tour Yeah, so I guess you guys aren't acquainted with that in that episode Oh, I don't remember it more than the they took our jobs that one's been involved since rings of power as well The meme's been used for that. Yeah. Yeah Um So as if we've not already highlighted enough of these like annoying issues and not taking advantage of a man Two of the greatest assassins and one of them being blind and the other one could totally use that to his advantage Um There's this moment where john's hiding behind that same like pane of glass and he sees the uh cane is coming around And he he slaps his cane on like part of the The thing to to you know, let him know where where physical objects are john sees that There is a gap of I want to say like four inches Between the two panes of glass that john can clearly look through we can see kane through it And he instead of aiming his gun through that which he could do Silently and shoot kane in the head done He instead gets out. I think he has a knife or sword or something And he he goes to attack kane and he like targets kane's kane He doesn't go for really It's a shitty shitty thing when you see it in movies when these people are in a fight with melee weapons And you could just tell they're aiming for the other person's melee weapon When you want you aim for the person, right? You're trying to you're trying to hit the other person You're not trying to hit the perfect shot too. His head was right there And he's just like i'll get you with the kane by the way, it's still a kane right now He can only hit you with it physically is it he can unsheath it and it's like a sword But right now it's not even a huge threat if you know what I mean like he could hug it And stab him in the face like it wouldn't But yeah, no mind That's what he does You go for kane's kane um So yeah, then uh, they both back off and kane's clearly getting frustrated I think he like sighs and so then he just runs out with his sword drawn After saying like let's end this And then he's just slowly walking around because he can't see john and I was just like wow So if john was actually there ready to shoot him kane would just be dead Like he he's out of bullets by the way kane john isn't And uh, we find out that that's very true because kane steps on a Rifle he he notices on the floor slowly goes to pick it up But the sound of him doing that alerts john john tins around the corner aims at him shoot shoot shoot Unfortunately the greatest assassin on earth Couldn't tell there was a fucking display case between him and kane and so that tanked all the bullets We could tell At the low quality indian cinema that we flew to We were able to tell that there was clearly glass In a display case in between it It's so annoying because it's like are you telling me that had kane bumped into a rifle that was on the floor that wasn't Like exactly there if it was just like in any other direction slightly john would have had the kill shot It would be over really I guess So fucking lame because i because if this fight was like actually happening John would just shoot the blind guy in the head. He'd probably feel a little bad about it But that's just what would happen. It's just mean to put this blind guy in the middle of this fight like that It's annoying as well john keeps talking to him and it's like dude That's the only information kane can use to find you. Why are you doing that? Like stop talking Well, yeah, anyway, um, they both like shoot the shit out of each other But they both miss they're both on the floor and then john finally stops talking and stops moving And pretends that he's dead And then kane is like are you dead john? And uh, he takes a while to get close and then john because he's out of bullets goes to move And he moves a bit of glass because he's on top of loads of glass and that's it kane starts shooting at him again They both do their jacket thing. It's Jacket shoot jacket shoot jacket shoot. It's it's you know, you know how it works. Nobody hits anybody They're standing basically right in front of each other and they just shoot at their jackets Yep, I could I could forgive kane because well, you know, he's blind, but john could probably do something One canonically that it makes sense that never hits the target This he's actually blind At least he's blind everyone else So, yeah, uh I'd say that part is the only part that I found interesting in that fight I was like, oh You're actually using the elements to your advantage. Cool. And then it was over. I was like, okay And that never comes up again um so, uh They they get on like they're right next to each other and there's a you have kane's swords between them They're doing like a standoffy thing. Just like rrr, and then he just goes john and the calories just goes kane I wasn't sure what i'm supposed to make of that. I was like, okay um, and then a shot is taken and it's like just above kane's head and hits a pane of glass behind him And then another shot that's taken. It's just missing. It turns out it's mr. Nobody and he's shooting Shooting at them and uh It's unclear exactly what the fuck's going on, but you'll eventually find out He's protecting john like like we said, uh, not something you really have figured out yet. He explains this very soon um I don't know why he didn't kill kane I don't get it either. Um, I just I feel like if if this is your special gun It's a little lever action break apart like stealthy gun And it's just it's really not a hard shot at all actually Um, and he's this crazy assassin guy. You think you'd just shoot the dude and be done with it But this is just the movie if we fully reset on on specific motives and let's see if they match up It's like why would mr. Nobody kill kane. It's like well If you kill kane john's bounty is probably gonna go up because kane's one of the best assassins in the world And that's just another person down for the count going after john wick and he wants the bounty to go up So cool. So that's that's one reason why else would he want to do it? It's like well kane is his competitor if kane kills john wick He doesn't get the bounty at all Like not only is it less of a bounty, but it's not a bounty. He can even cash. That's just gone that goes to kane slash The high table. It's all gone Like, hmm, okay Anything else like maybe he doesn't want to kill him because you'll get in trouble with the table It's like how would the table know Like it's three of them in that room. He could shoot him and then just leave Let's do it. Yep. Just shoot him and leave so He's only an obstacle to mr. Nobody and if he killed him it would actually improve the odds of the bounty going up So I actually have no clue why he didn't kill kane in that moment The only thing that you might be able to argue is that he actually did genuinely miss twice I think that's what we're supposed to believe, but the problem is that's in that's just incredible That is incredible. He had the perfect shot on the target wasn't moving Everybody is just fucking missing all the time and it is so so frustrating Yeah He has a ruler gate shooting blind people Caning blind Nobody believes kane is blind in this movie. Okay, nobody He maybe he is just legitimately lying to make himself seem like he's not as threatening Oh, I'm just a blind man. I can't see where I'm going. I don't know what's happening. Don't shoot me Nope, my kane isn't a sword Why wait, why would I say that? That's why did I say that I'm just a crazy old man who says crazy things Come closer, please Um So yeah, uh wicks bounty does actually go up in this moment as well it goes from Whatever it was. I guess seven or 10 million. It goes up to 20 million Mm-hmm Yeah, it's a big big old chungus and then uh, we we get so you know What's gonna happen to kane and john after that separation? Well, we'll get john's side first John runs out into just out of the building and into a forest filled with men who have guns and they all start shooting at him And of course they all miss yep, they all miss they're all they're out there apparently waiting for them They're just in the woods. I don't know. Yeah, it's a really weird scene to be honest with you He's just like here. I am in the woods now. Oh They're just out there in the woods looking for things to shoot looking for I'm pretty sure john is out here Yeah, they all shoot at him they miss of course they all miss none of them none of the shots hit his head But gone is distracted because after the ones he's killed he's like, oh, they've got a badge What does this badge mean? It must be the person they work for I'll pocket this badge and figure it out later But then oh no, he hears a noise and two men are coming to kill him All right, two men two men were guns and he's like oh, he pulls up his gun But he doesn't fire because a dog bites the nuts of one of them and the other one shot in the head And so this is the first of I think three or four instances in this movie Where a dog will bite someone's balls and they are paralyzed. There's nothing they can do at all They don't even scream They just they just don't I can confirm you're just done the dog gets on those balls and you're just he's done You're done until the dog until the dog is finished with you You're just that's just your life now Um, and then we find out like mr. Nobody is still looking after him And that's that's what just happened and john's like, I don't know you and the tracker guy goes I know you He goes, huh you a tracker how much? And I guess that means john's already figured out that this guy is waiting to collect on The money at some point because he says not enough but it's getting there And so john looks at him weirdly and they look at each other a bit weirdly and then tracker man shoots and You need to really picture this you are john wick you are just across from the guy He's vaguely aiming at you. You're not I think he's aiming at john's aiming at him He raises the gun and shoots now Who he's shooting at is right behind john to the left And so technically saved john's life But is that something that goes through your head if you're john wick when that happens in that moment? Or do you think he's trying to kill me? I have to kill him I probably should get my gun and shoot back. I'd have to imagine that is the normal reaction Like how could john have known that he was actually aiming to shoot someone who's directly behind him just off the side After he just established that the guy is likely going to kill him once the money's enough Do you know what I mean? I was like man, I feel like john wick would have fucking automatically shot that guy in the head as a reflex after that happened Your knee your knee jerk kind of reaction. Yeah Hey, it's like walking dead in this final work You guys ever see the knee jerk reaction walking dead scene. It's a famous death scene in uh season like six or seven is uh I don't even know if I can say she's a fan made fave character chat left to help me out on that one But it's a girl who really there's like this cop lady who everyone hates and and It's like this blonde character Someone will remind me of your name in chat as i'm explaining this and I'll say I promise But she hates cop lady There's like a piece that's established between two teams and cop lady's like leading them and this girl is Getting delivered back to the good guy team But she wants to have I think it's beth is it beth it could be beth and she's like I hate cop lady. So when I say, you know, goodbye, bitch, like I'm going I'm just gonna throw one extra thing in there. I'm going to stab her in the shoulder with the scissors Which okay, as you guys can already imagine. It's like that doesn't sound like a good idea That's probably a bad idea, but she does and the cop lady Knee jerk reaction and gets her gun out of the holster and immediately aims it up at beth's head and shoots her at that close Range and she's shocked by her own reaction doing that Um, it is a crazy scene and I'll never forget it in my entire life. I remember just being like what the fuck just happened It is some such a dumb death The thing about it is guys, I remember when that first came out I remember checking discussions about it and people were like that was intense. That was crazy. Oh my god What a fantastic ending to like that story Looking dead seems to be one of those shows that again with the passage of time people are like, oh man, damn It might have never been that was terrible Yeah Yeah, and then they all shot the cop. Yeah, or I think is it daryl that does it? I just remember being like, what the hell did I just watch? Um walking dead check it out if you want to I wouldn't recommend Well, how many seasons are there now 12? Seven Because there's other spin-offs that have been gone for years at this point, right? I say like fear the walking dead is up to eight seasons or something. I was like, how the fuck another one I think there's another spin-off and I think that there's like a new one that's happening with that negan guy man Because the walking dead is all amc has left And uh, and whatever that new show is with um with uh, uh soul Bob highton crack Sometimes that she might have had the gun drawn already that would make it better, but it was still hilarious Though to be fair, why the fuck did she just stab her with a scissors? What did she expect was gonna happen? I don't know. It's all over the place. We don't need to be out of lies walking dead. It'll be here all day But she just being sure we're getting stabbed in the shoulder That's dude. That's the thing. I wasn't gonna go into it, but I remember talking about a friend to a friend I was like imagine how beth thought that was gonna go I'll stab her and then she'll go ow Ah What did you think was gonna happen? It's that customary stab you in the scissors move you do to all the people you don't like when you Oh, yeah, I mean, I do it to people I meet all the time. It's basically how we say hello Stabbing the shoulder with scissors That's how you do it So anyway tracker man says you need to take betta carry yourself john We're in this together now And that is him saying I need you alive for as long as the bounty is going up to the point that I like it and then I'll happily kill you Now. Oh, so I'll kill you first. I don't know like this john fucking wick. Why isn't he killing this guy? This guy basically just said I'm going to kill you eventually. It's like, oh I'm just gonna kill you then Yeah, john, we should be like, oh, he's very capable. I don't want him around when my bounty is high enough for him He should just say thanks, bro. Uh, see you later and then just stand there totally still while Mr. Nobody start like turns around and kind of looks over a shoulder like, yeah, see you buddy It's amusing to me too because like mr. No, we couldn't even stop him because he'd be like, oh, no, shit I need no I need you for the bounty. Fuck. I guess I could if I kill you exactly Just like that that conflict would be enough for john to just be like a boom dead. Bye Anyway, now we're moving on. So that's that's john's portion of the story. What happened to cain now? You might be thinking to yourself. Okay, so you're in the big glass filled building and you got John went let's just say to the left exit. Okay. What did cain do? Cain went out somewhere else fought a whole bunch of dudes for like defending Osaka and then he bumped into koji I'm just like How did you even like didn't you just go the direction john went? Why didn't you just go the direction john went? Especially because john was just outside the building where he got into another gunfight. You would have heard it How did you end up in a completely different area of the continental fighting a bunch of people Who have nothing to do with anything that you were just a part of how did that even happen logistically and it's like, well Fuck it He ended up there and you're like, okay All right Because like it's not like it was hard for him to tell where john would have ran off to in that room you'd hear Shit tons of glass noises So, yeah, I don't know. Anyway, he's he's bumped into koji's like Okay, fine. I guess that's what's happening now and he says to koji. Tell me where john is and you can leave Which is kind of funny for the audience because it's like koji doesn't know where john is Yeah, he doesn't actually know john's been fucking around. Yeah, john could be anywhere in the continental It's a big place. In fact, the person who has better knowledge on where john currently is than koji is cain so I don't know like there's a lot to this that I hate the dialogue I'm just like, why does why do you think what do you think koji's going to say to you right now? He is moving through, you know F block and he's heading to the the southeast exit He's just gonna ask him anyway. It's just like, hey, buddy. Come on. Which is you're not fine. Whatever I just I just find it funny It's more than likely that he wouldn't be able to tell you anything But you may as well ask the question. Fine. See what he says and the guy says, you know, I won't tell you Because I physically don't know Yes, he's like because you don't know because because principally you cannot give it whatever and uh Cain says you owe him nothing. He doesn't even have a marker on you I just it's so funny. I'm just like hey the markers They remember that thing that that started Or recalling the mechanic that just drove this series into the fucking dirt And then uh, uh, koji says you believe the only debts we have lie at bark is But I was just thinking to myself like well, no, I mean he knows about regular debts Like, you know barring like 10 pound or somebody or whatever pretty funny um And he says come on. I don't want to do this Uh, and then koji just draws his sword anyway and they begin the fight and you're kind of sitting there We'll get more on this in a second, but you're kind of like why are you guys fighting? What's the point and it's like well because he doesn't want to give up john's location. It's like well, but You don't even know what it is First off, you don't you don't have it and two You could lie Pretty easily. You could be like john told me he's going to be heading to um, I don't know fucking Literally anywhere. He's he's all why don't you just tell him? What is the truth? I don't actually know because if I did know it would be a liability, but he ain't gonna be staying here after what you guys have done Yeah Now I want to get my daughter into a fucking hospital if you don't mind Yeah, he's got his daughter with him the daughter is injured and he could just play it and say like well If you let us go, I'll tell you where he is You know, I just yeah, I I gotta get her to hospital Then just lie about where he is or also just say like I legitimately don't know It's a big play just explain to him the way that his movie doesn't make sense And be like you let him last I don't know where he is. He probably left But well and you can also sell a convincing lie of like I told him that there was plenty he could restock for Armor and ammo and transport in the southeast armory So he's gonna be heading there and then just toss him a random key from your pocket and be like that's the key That's the key to the armory. Yeah That's the key to the armory and then and then you just throw the pair and then you throw the pass him because he's blind He's like, where is it? I'm blind you motherfucker. Why did you do that? Well, you go find it. That's the only key we got. Are you throwing the whole key ring? But no, uh, coach is just immediately like let's fight. It's like, all right I guess the film's desperate to have these two fucking legends fight each other. Here we go and they start fighting and uh legit, uh Cain gets the one up on koji by doing a dark souls roll around him and then stabbing him like before he can turn Kind of embarrassing actually. It's so weird. It takes a long time for koji to react to it. It's it's kind of weird Yeah It just feels weird that he like loses so badly to a blind man that's rolling around. It's like, okay And then they have they didn't have to have him be blind. That was a choice they made Well, then we wouldn't have this amazing dialogue. You ready? Here we go. Even a blind man can see you've lost. You don't need eyes to see the right path That's like the okay, okay fine Okay And then yeah, he says just take care of your daughter and then he's like keeps fighting until he dies And you see this is the scene where the if you went to the director Be like, yeah, this is like this is meant to be funny This is meant to be like goofy and silly. This isn't meant to be like the daughter moment or anything daughter's holding him in her arms as he Literally fucking passes in front of her and she's crying and uh Cain is looking on because he's depressed as fuck. They had to kill an old friend Don't tell me this is supposed to be funny and stupid and it's like just a nonsense. That's right. It's yeah If you told the writers, yeah, I really enjoyed that dumb fun there when this character died And it was meant to be sad. Do you think that the guy made the film would just be like, yeah, that's that's what I was going for I figured that would get a few laughs Even a blind man can see this is a somber moment Yes And and when and when everybody at the cinema laughed the director smiled and then he did like yes Got it nailed it. I did it. I'm the tone master Well, did catch me saying Cain was looking on Wait for it Uh, I get it because he got C very clever. That's who good of an actor. He is Uh, so yeah, he's like, well, weren't you the one to see him last? Is it? Oh, wait. It's so sorry. I didn't I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Um high five I've uh, no the other one the other five. Uh, what are you? Blah? Oh, dammit. So Uh, wait, why didn't they do the thing where John had to fight Cain like in the dark? That would have been a thing Really where they fight, um Or Cain like takes out the lights or something or he cuts the power to the building Uh, you know something to be you know to have it to be where they're kind of on equal footing So that would have been a thing. Yeah, we'll leave it a lot more um And uh, you know that they could kind of go toe to toe and it's not just john wick shooting a blind man in the head I mean that would have been an idea that would have been cool you could have even have had uh You know we don't at least for a portion of the fight we see pitch black as well But then You know one of them makes a move you hear the sound you hear a swipe and then the clash of the swords Makes like a little bit of a spark maybe in this little light you can see briefly something like that Yeah, John could be like I can't fight you Cain, you know, you you're blind. You can't even see And then like the lights go out and I guess we're now we're Now we're equal now that would have been some fun to be had oh well That would be maybe next time Maybe next time So knowing The scene is actually meant to be taken seriously and that koji is a character that's just had a stop middle end I guess I'd like to announce he's a fucking moron Uh, and it sucks because I kind of liked him right up until this scene Not even for much of a meaningful thing. I was just like I like the actor I like the idea of a guy putting some stuff on the line to help out john and that he's just committed to it And the you know, there's something to the whole like putting friendship above these crazy crazy rules Especially if he knows the grander context, which he probably does because he's an old friend of john's and they've been talking So there's something I can draw out of it But then you make him do this literally sacrifice himself and caring for his dying Theoretically daughter at least very very wounded. I'm not gonna say she really is his daughter Oh, sorry. I meant the dying the wound whatever. Oh, it's a too complicated these days Um, and yeah, so I couldn't explain to koji what was happening because it would over exceed his allotted dialogue He's allowed like three syllables at a time He has to he has to think about how he's going to explain it is like dog revenge A cute dog dead Okay, okay Uh, yeah, so basically koji has every single reason to Not like fuck all of this up and he fucks all of it up and why I don't even know Um, the most obvious thing is to lie, but I don't know why he didn't even pull the card of dude Why do you think I know where he is right now? Like what I don't you would just fight in him. I assume like he's been shooting people. He's all over the ball. I don't know They just wanted the fight scene to happen and they couldn't really think of a good reason Or maybe they thought that they had one. Maybe they thought it was like See, he's not going to give his friend up because he values friendship and like honor above all But the problem was that the scenario that was set up Didn't put him in it because the the obvious way to do it is john wick is like through you I have to go through I need to go in that direction and you're in the way and you're not going to move out of the way Like that's the way to do it. You could have had it You could have had it so the sound as lame as this sounds like john and koji have had a back and forth They're fucking phones and they just like give me your phone. He's like, no He's like, wow, I'm gonna have to kill you to get the phone because that's what you have to do is you need to You need to do the the like unstoppable force meets the movable object setup Right where it's like he like kane is the unstoppable force Koji's the immovable object. He will not move He will stay here and defend like even if it means that he's you know I'm not gonna be able to help his daughter because like that honor is like more important than all Everything and instead they've written it so that it comes across as like did koji want to die? Was he just done like was he bored? It almost seems like he is resigned to it Which is odd because there's a difference between like accepting it as a possibility and being resigned to it You know, they like two different things. Yeah Um, and what a shame because kane himself. He's like, please stop fighting me. Please live. Please be with your daughter Which is kind of like I like that as a thing for yeah helps out kane a little bit. It just ruins koji this whole thing Yeah, which is a shame because I like them Like it's it's hard not to say it's like dude. You just abandoned your daughter for no reason at all Yeah, she's wounded. She needs you like what are you doing? There is actually no reason here Um, you didn't need to do this. In fact, you you actually kind of achieved nothing by doing this Oh, yeah, nothing changes at all and you know live to fight another day, right? Like Yeah, exactly Told kane anything. I actually think kane would have been a bit amenable to the whole like I don't know where he is, man Uh, he probably is well fair enough and then they just part they just go different ways. Yeah It's like, I don't well Like I think it's just cool line. He could have just said like we'll follow the gunshots or something like that They just wanted the fight there on the bridge surrounded by the water and like the lily pads and the uh And the trees the the cherry blossoms right the in the background like that's what they wanted Oh, yeah, they wanted the video in the show down there It's but hey, this is a good example of I guess what we were talking about in terms of like the broad problem with this film It's totally fine to want to have those moments like I like stuff like that Like I like that kind of imagery and I like that as a setup But there is work to be done to actually get there and you can do it and it just makes the film better Like it just makes it strictly better and you can still have your collection scene But you can have a scenario that's more properly established Um better supported by the material and and it just makes for it being more potent instead of a situation like this Where you're just kind of perplexed but like the whole arrangement What's interesting is I've seen uh to what I assume a counter arguments to this and I feel like these are pieces of information That have now made me think it's all even worse So someone said well surely his life is forfeit anyway because of everything with the continental the high table that like Yeah, he's dying here But like he was only ever going to die anyway because he'll send people to come get him Put a pin in that a second the other point was um, isn't it better that he dies here so that they can never use his daughter Like his leverage against him. Is that the idea there that looks like a parallel with kane? I was just thinking to myself like fuck so That's true. They are going to be hunted probably by the high table now and his daughter was the concierge So he's just left her alone against that Yeah, like he's going to have connections and network and probably friends that he could have helped do it But no fuck it. I'm dead by bitch Secondly if he believes that people will use her as leverage against him Thus, I will just die It's like well, then they're just gonna fucking do things to her. They might just kill it. She betrayed the high table She was a concierge. Do you know what just happened to the last concierge of the fucking new york? Hello Man koji you didn't think about this at all did you? He he he wanted to let you go and you were like no honor Oh, man honorable death question mark Apparently it was definitely your death Um, so then john's sitting on what looks like public transport. It's a train And then she walks in and sits like near him Uh, the daughter just like wait what? It's chilling like did they just happen to get on the same train at the same time it's like Okay, was she following him? I don't see how because they would have been different. Um, okay It's fine. And she basically just says my dad's dead because of you So you got to kill him Yeah, but that's the last it'll get addressed in this film pretty much Um, um, what'd she say again? She either you kill kane or I will basically Well, I mean he didn't to spoil Yeah He didn't do that. Well, and even kane said to her i'll be waiting for when you return That's another thing like the idea that the daughter will be safe if uh, koji was to like die It's like what do you think the door's gonna do? She'll get she's an assassin Or it's just going to stop leaving people alive to get revenge I mean this whole thing was because john wow it wasn't really john wick's story was resolved And then that guy into came along with his bullshit But hey it all stresses back to that revenge, right? Yeah Koji told john to go to that station. Is that true? Uh, I think so. Yeah, I think I think so. Is it is it not public transport? Uh, I think it is still they were pretty sure those people are getting out of there Yeah, right. It's but then everybody conveniently clears out of the train so that they can have their conversation on an empty train in osaka I don't know how I was about to say It's kind of fun But it's also just the fact that john gets on he doesn't look like he's waiting for anybody So she got there at the exact same time as him. It's just like damn I think so and also this is worth emphasizing like moeller said the whole, you know, wherever you go john wick Devastation you leave in your wake that that never Why would you forgo that as something that john wick has to try and grapple with meaningfully? Of like what am I actually doing here? Like all i'm doing is fighting back against something that I might not be able to defeat and all it's leading to is the destruction of everybody that I care about Like that's not something that is meaningfully explored Um It's set up, but it's it doesn't go anywhere. Isn't that just a huge missed opportunity? Yes Like for all it is Like in particularly maybe if you really enjoyed the film like don't Don't you agree that like that would be something that would be worthwhile to do that it certainly couldn't hurt this film It might give God forbid us to learn a little bit something about john wick our protagonist That's another thing that this sucks about this is the his character is so fucking thin at this point It's funny. You might be like Do you think he's more time and they're not adding anything? Yeah It's like in the first movie. It's like, would you think he's thin in that? It's like not really We got a lot like for the time we had with him. We got to know a decent chunk But now we've had four movies and nothing's changed. It's the exact same character the whole time John wick was never like hugely multifaceted But it was definitely coherent and like there was something to because I mean it's it's like everybody says it's just a dog And like even he's there to come in and say it's actually not just about the dog. It's like, oh, yeah Yeah, of course not because even if it was the dog It's like, well, yeah, I mean, you know But like when you add on what it meant to him because it was the gift that was left for him by his wife And it was sort of like representative of of like um the life that he had managed to acquire that the the son took from him That's something but we haven't added anything in the ensuing like uh in the ensuing films But but we're like we're getting so far removed from what happened in john wick one That it feels like awkward to even appeal to anything that happened in that film to say anything about where he's at right now Logically, you know majority how much the fact that his dog got killed by this guy that he at this point killed in the timeline What probably like months or years ago at this point. How much does that factor into anything here? And yeah, and that film you you have like the opening 20 minutes to fully like foundationally set his character then you get the big uh him and Bill and man talking to each other before he gets like almost killed But willem de fosay so you get like their discussion about the events and john just committing like fuck you I'm back and it's because of that bullshit with my dog basically and at the end of the film It's like it actually came to this you killed everything you stole all my money I'm gonna fucking kill you it's like I'm gonna fucking kill you and Then it's over and that's it's now it was it was it just that was it it was done And someone just like summarizes like had wife wife died had dog dog died had gun Shoot gun and then it's like okay. So let's film one. What have we got to add on to that with film 234? It's like shoot gun not house lost house. No, just shoot gun. That's it No, he lost a house. Okay. That's what you took from me. I was about to say does even Shoot killed that ass for me Shoot gun Yeah, that's that's what he does. So, uh, winston meets up with hobo king Like hey hobo king. How you doing? All right, and uh, he says I want to speak to john and hobo king says you shot him off a roof And then he's like, yeah, well the table is lead had made the marquis go nuts And uh, we need to sort that out and so in case you cared There was an implication at the end of john wick three that winston had betrayed him and that that was going to be a Big old thing for this film. Literally in this film. They're like, no No, it's weird and legitimately weird. I thought winston would be the ultimate like big bad Which would have been a cool idea, honestly That's interesting that winston who was kind of persistently in the film has been somebody that he can lean on As uh, betrayed him, you know what he's gonna do now There was a limit to how much he would allow john to cost him sort of thing Well, it's a more meaningful betrayal than anything that could be said for like the guy in two who we didn't know Because winston actually has history with john wick that we know and understand And you can't pull the card of well winston didn't kill him winston didn't even try to kill him, right? And it's like no what happened to him would have killed a normal person like As far as anyone's concerned winston did indeed attempt to murder him like that's what happened And then you should probably have a little bit of a grudge about that Well, I thought that's not cool, bro The end of the first film when he's like, yeah But but like saying it about getting revenge. Yeah, I thought that was going to be for winston But then it wasn't it was it ended up being for bill sars New character who nobody knows anything about the bar key Yeah, oh wow Oh, no speaking of which we got to see with him now Yay Screen with the knife Yeah, well, it's one moment before that that I find particularly funny. You have mr. Krabs is like I fail to see how laying waste to continental Cortex No, mr. Krabs He's also cortex. He's also a lot of people but mr. Krabs is the funniest Dr. Cortex, I think you mean says I fail to see how laying waste to continental gets you to john wick Which is a really great point An excellent point do that. Yeah, he's not even do that He's not even got an hourglass in this scene and he's saying he's spitting truths So, you know that our glass is just like maybe holding him back at this point like yeah, it's that's true grit You don't even know my true power and uh because the dialogue is just so excellent Uh bill scar scott says this campaign is not about killing john wick. It's to kill the idea of john wick Idea Okay, and he says I must destroy everything that idea touches But we're talking about it sir. Yeah, what does that even fucking mean done? Like how does that translate into an actual plan? I'm gonna destroy everything so people forget about john wick But sir, if you if you if you if you go around and kill everything people gonna remember that you killed everything because of john wick I'm a I'm a steel man The idea of john wick is the notion that you can defy the high table or the rules because the second that people start to realize That they can defy the rules and the high table then the institution collapses Everything breaks down the moment that any individual like assassin Realizes that they can actually go against the high table or that if they work together to take down the high table They can actually succeed. How does destroying buildings have anything to do with that? I oh, I I'm I'm still manning. All right. I don't know. I don't think the destroyer man better Give me more Do better I think that it no what what i'm saying is I think that's what they were going for if they wanted anything more than that I don't know what I'd be appealing to because I don't think it makes much sense at all But I get the impression in terms of like a thematic through line that they seem to be building in this film That that's kind of what was there So this is why I said what the fuck does that even mean? Because the reason this conversation starts is him referencing the destruction of continentals And then his response is to destroy the idea that is anything that's touched by the idea of jobwick In this case if we want to translate it as defiance of the high table It's like yes, you get rid of the people defying it right like winston. It's like no Not okay Jumping the gun The the character's essentially win the film by following the rules Yeah, true. Yeah Yeah, and the only reason anything the only reason anything went wrong for john wick was because he didn't follow the rules And then he used the rules to win. So Yeah, we'll talk about that when we get there because i'm not even sure Yeah, we will what it counts as at the end, but uh, yeah This doesn't like the plan is not to kill john wick. It's to kill the idea Is like no the plan is definitely to kill john wick. That's like Of course. Yeah, that's the number one plan Yes, the fact that he keeps raising the bounty and and setting Yes To get him kill he wants and then of course everything that happens at the end too He doesn't like yeah, sure the idea of john wick is one thing But like first and foremost you want to get rid of the guy who was an agent in the world who could hurt you You know Destroying everything it touches. It's like we should probably get rid of it then Like because that'll cut out the many things we have to destroy but it's the joke We've already been going over like what if he walks into your house? Do you blow that up? Like what does it even mean at this point? Yes, no compromises um, yeah, and then uh Clancy brown says the bloodshed in osaka wasn't necessary and his response is the bloodshed was the point Uh, then why did the marquee guys like go in with even the pretense of like doing an investigation without fighting people So some people mentioned it and I wanted to keep it until this point Was was the idea that they were going to kill everyone It there was never anything else to it Because if so that's insane that is insane high table. Why would the high table allow the marquee to do that? Why would they know how to do anything like that? How would they know that john wick was there? I was about to say we need to remember they go so kane says I reckon he might be hanging out with koji who's in the osaka continental because they were old friends It's like okay. Go kill everyone there Exactly the only pretext is kane has a hunch that one that's just might help him. It's so beyond I don't even know where to begin Which by the way would be amazing revenge for um kane to be like Oh, I got to work for these guys and I really don't want to and they're basically coercing me Yo, what if I just tell them how they would actually do this wouldn't it be funny If I told them that john wick was at the uh osaka hotel and they just like I tricked them into destroying all of their own hotels Okay, it's like pretty short. John is hiding at the disney hq. I don't know Yeah, because after the uh The continental in japan The High table should have been like you did once to the hotel. He started shooting it up. Why? Well, we thought he might have john wick there, but did you see him? Eventually someone did eventually I think He kind of killed every person who saw him, but you know like what do you mean? How did you survive the famous osaka archers? You know how we shot them with our guns With like john wick universe nobody uses rifles nobody really uses vehicles either What if one guy like I don't know they had like a little bird or something Yeah, some kind of helicopter like an attack helicopter of some sort and they use that How could any like institution even stop them with that? We never see anybody use like Do we ever see anybody use like grenades or RPGs or like any sort of explosive? I think he uses c4 in the first film to block some cars And he also uses a sniper rifle in that scene too because john wick one is better than all the other ones Actually, it would be really funny. He has this disposal Very funny if you had like one like in a new john wick like this one guy We need you to kill john wick's like, okay, uh, do we have tanks or like Like armored cars or anything you have like RPGs Can I have like an armored car like anything and I was like, oh, yeah, that's a really good idea I don't know why none of the other people ever thought about that Well, we talk of all the time. There's so many assassinate. That's another thing. It's like it's a assassination world Everybody just has a suit and a pistol Yeah, nobody has like what do you mean? Well, there's a girl with a bow and arrow like Oh Yeah, because uh, it's funny as well You're just talking about like that theoretical conversation about telling them the report of what happened at Osaka, which like I said I'll just glancy brown disapproves of it Wait, do you want to I've just got a meme. I've got a meme You know how like in winter soldier that scene where like captain america charges towards the minigun with this like Shield and all the bullets deflect I could easily just imagine if somebody had a minigun in john wick if john wick just held up His suit and ran towards it and all of the bullets were like reflecting off Yeah, like wonder woman with her shield He turns around reflects his suit and then it shoots the bullets You'd have to you'd have to time the parry. Okay You have to time the parry if they lift up the suit right as the bullet strikes. That's how you get the parry Um, yeah, so Clancy brown surprised by the choice right meaning the high table would be too So if what bell was they could actually actually happen? They see the report. They're like, holy fuck. What did you do to Osaka? It would just be like wait It's not as bad as what we did to new york. They were like, what did you do to new york? What did you do to new york? That's like Well, you change your management or what do you sell it? I do love the idea that like marky And it meant the nothing marky you have full power go ahead and the first thing he does is nuke one of the continental's like What the that's not what we meant by full power Who told you that? We thought you'd be a little more clever Here's a big old here's a big old problem that you have Like if you just go into continental's the apparent like safe haven locations in the john wick world and just keep having these crazy gunfights in them Doesn't that destroy people's trust in the idea of the continental if anything? Yeah, the whole point is that the continental is meant to be neutral ground. You can't just go and then start fighting people Yeah, also just unless they just randomly announce your deconsecrated bitch Yeah, but in real life. Oh one guy goes haywire. We just all get evacuated and don't have a thing to go with you anymore Well, it's kind of shit Well, yeah, think of all the standing contracts with all the people there who like use this place Sort of paid for the you know what I mean? Like it's just like well, fuck all of you It's no wonder that the hobo assassins just do their own thing The hobo assasins is probably figured out. You might as well be involved Suck too, that's fine. Uh, didn't they oh, yeah, because remember they got their asses kicked by uh, Sushi, sushi assassins No, the sushi. Oh, yeah, they were That's right. The the sushi store guy and then um I I I guess laurence fishburn is is over getting chopped up because that was a lady who ordered that but she's not part of this story Yeah The high table lady or whatever the adjudicator got him chopped up Seven true. Yeah, I remember because right these don't forget their own I remember more about john wick than the riders might man that part was fucking stupid as well We'll remember how they very specifically specified that it was going to be seven chops And I think you figured it was like six Like they actually forgot to throw one in I remember being the people interpreted There's like one slash. She does that looks like it could be a double or whoever does it. Um, okay. Yeah, but it's 50 50 on that I I'd have to look at it again. Um Pass that we don't care that he got nobody remembers that I didn't fucking remember it. I remember the stories. I was like, holy shit I remember So we cut yeah, we got uh, mr. Nobody's meeting with the marquee and uh The conversation is pretty straightforward at first. He's like, who are you and he's like, I'm a guy who can locate him And he's like, how do you locate him? He's like, if you pay me, I can tell you There's how much is 25 million plus matching contribution to my 401k And uh, he says nah We found him once we can do it again. And then he says before or after he kills you And uh, the marquee then goes I like you It's like okay All right Then he says but we'll do it for 20 million and then he goes 23 And then uh, marquee's like ego Mr. Nobody and he was you could afford it. I'm just sort of I'm just waiting for anything to happen You know, I'm just like, I don't really care how much you had over literal millions Um, and then something does happen the marquee stabs mr. Nobody's hand through a table um Which is, you know aggressive to do in the middle of negotiating your millions of dollars And he says what the fuck is this? It's the kind of thing. Um, I don't even like the movement of it if he shakes his hand And then you like brings it up slams it on the table draws the knife out and then stabs it in and I was just like, you know You would have pulled your hand away any normal person would have during that whole thing until the knife went in, of course And it's pretty easy to too because just you've got your full body strength He's only got his arm because he's trying he's using the other part of his body to do the other stuff So it's just just he sort of allows the knife to go into his hand. It's like me Whatever and then he says you have a choice pull the knife out Or pull your hand out one would be to prove that you're a man That's out for himself and the other one proves you're a man committed to the cause And it's funny when I first saw this I wasn't sure which was which Yeah I uh, I think you told me about because this was before I had gone to see the film Um, and I think again still man fringy. I'm like the the tin man from Wizard of Oz. All right walking out here I'm wondering if like the point of that is that you have two choices in terms of your way to deal with the world When you have a knife in your hand you can pull the knife out Which essentially means that you're sort of agreeing to the terms of the world Like you're gonna and it's the one that causes you the least pain and harm But it's obviously like the path of least resistance or you can like fight back against the world Um, but look at where that'll get you that'll get you your hand like torn to shit or something Which represents essentially being destroyed. That was the impression I got then I saw the scene and I was just confused I didn't understand it at all. Yeah, because that's pretty much my take is the uh, Why why would he say it without being specific because I can interpret both both ways like Pulling the knife out the way it came in from the high table is like you are Following our commands sort of they and to rip your hand out is is you doing it your own way Or pulling the knife out is to take the easy way out and you're just you're only here because you're in it for yourself Less pain but to pull your hand out that means you're committed to Doing the hard shit for us or something like that. So I was just I was just like you might want to be more specific about the choices Imagine you yanked his handout and he was just like, oh, okay. Well, no deal. Oh, yeah, that's like what what your hand It's fucked up. How you gotta like use guns and stuff like your hand is seriously injured Well, so yeah, there's that by the way, and yeah, that this job buddy seriously injured dude is working for you like It's like the possibly one of the worst professions to have done this like why did you wound the gunman's hand? What are you doing? I'm a professional hand puppeteer in Vegas What have you done you've destroyed my livelihood He's offering to pay the man over 20 million dollars and to put that same amount into his 401k To assassinate john wick with a gun and then he says to prove that you're committed I want to fuck your hand up I think we can all agree though that that what the the people who made this film wanted you to do in this scene was laugh Like ha ha ha. That's so funny. Well, I did. That's a funny goofy thing in a movie. Well, yeah But not not ironically mauler. They wanted you to do it. Oh Because this is just a dumb fun movie and there wasn't anything to be read from what that guy said about like I don't know whether you just pulled the knife out or pulled your hand out It's not like that's trying to enforce the theme or be some kind of symbolism It's something something's to be dug out of it. I am sure something that definitely makes sense. It doesn't make you go. What the fuck So we're done with that scene mr. Nobody is now officially on the payroll and he's gonna be going for john wick more so I guess he's gonna be tracking john wick. He's not gonna kill him. Oh, yeah, that deal That does I I almost this is the thing with summer He's like we have a scene where he calls him to say no go kill him And then he's like, I don't want to and he's like do it and he's like, uh, okay Like if I literally don't even summarize that part and just say that in this scene He's gonna go kill him now. Like it just cuts out Like the scene from the doesn't do fuck all anyway, but yes, he's he's only tracking him But he will be told to kill him when he gets there anyway um So then you have uh winston and john having a chat And um, they talk about, you know, it's sad the uh charon is gone And then he's like so You know who who's the who the people that are killing killing me right now It's like it's uh, it's the marquis and he's a man only elevated on the promise of killing you And I just think back to him say this isn't about john wick This is about more than john wick like yeah, okay, man Your entire career is based on killing john wick specifically. It's about the idea of john wick, right? Um, and then john says, okay, where do I find him? Uh, because they sorry, I've skipped ahead a little bit of they've come up with a plan winston says you got to challenge him to a duel Um, no wait, actually it is in that order. He does actually say where do I find him first? Yeah, because this is kind of funny. It kind of relates to john wick too. So Yeah, he says where do I find him and winston says paris And john just walks off I thought that was fucking hilarious like yeah, he's in paris off you go Cheers see you Yeah, could you maybe give me a street? That might narrow it down a little bit, but no paris is good enough and uh as he's leaving He's like, when does this end and he says with him dead, which I find really interesting because it's like Do you isn't even the marquis to blame at this point? Is it not the high table? Aren't they the ones you want to get they're the ones that literally told him to tell people to kill you You know what I mean, but he's he's the current man. So he's got to go first This is why there's gonna be so many more john wicks All we have to do is just a pipeline of people There's a here know you know you they even say it in the movie at some point of things Like they have more people to replace that you have bullets or something like that um And so then he's like, have you learned nothing you have to kill him the smart way? And it's such a like what with the pencil like no, no, no I legit have no idea what he was talking about and there's a reason for that because what he's talking about has never come up Before I think it's gonna be a brand new mechanic. He says challenge him to single combat And I legit like it just it just sends me completely. I'm just like no fucking way. That's an actual mechanic. No way And then john's like well, I can't because I don't sit at the table And then winston says yes, but your family sits at the table And then john says but they've torn up my ticket And winston says you just gotta mend the ticket Isn't this just like You don't get to do that. Where do we even begin all these new rules out of your behind Is In john wick two or three that he could just challenge the guy to a duel and then that would clear him and it'd be fine Yeah, can you do the duels for the markers? Okay, do that Just get rid of the marker for the duel does it work? I don't know why not Why not why pretty useful? What does it mean to be ex-communicado but also have a family? Yeah, exactly. I thought that you were locked out of everything that that's what it meant And can he escape the duel by challenging someone else to like can the marky be like No, I'm gonna go challenge someone else before you challenge me. Well, I mean because uh, the marky had the option to say no I think it seemed that way Winston talked to him. He basically said I accept and it's like well, what do you mean you accept if if you have to So what happens if he just says nah, then you're just still ex-communicado Well, yeah, winston says that like you'll accept because you want the the prestige of having killed john wick yourself Bring him into your light Oh, whatever. I know That's that's the way of justified It's like no, trust me the marky is a character will accept the duel literally Doesn't even make sense though because when the duel is set like when it is arranged He then he then pays money to get a bunch of people to try and kill him before he could show up That is a great point. So it doesn't even they use a character reason to make it happen That they then don't follow through on that they then buy they they outright contradict. It is the opposite Wow, great awesome writing. I didn't have that in my notes So nice. Yep. That's a new that's a new thing there new problem. Nothing uh stays consistent at all Yeah, it just feels like every single I keep wanting to say episode and I might start calling it episodes at this point because that's all they are It's uh every single episode. They just fucking redo the rules and They're always grander and they always like beat out every other rule. They're like this one's the big one Okay, and uh john says like Dueling that's like a myth It's like fuck off either. You know, it's a thing or you don't don't give me this myth. That's like false awakens What does it mean to be a myth that you can have a duel in the john wick world? It's not been done for thousands of years for you if the ancient assassins would do it The ancient assassins even the one with the bones damn Chapters of the book of boba wick Boba wick Oh And so yeah, he's like all right then I guess I got to go mend my ticket so that I can then sit at the table So that I can then challenge the marquee, but he can always just refuse Yeah, and all of this entail. This is the side quest portion of the film really. Yes Or it's it's like it's like the missions that you do before the big mission, right? So like in grand theft auto 5 with the highest missions This is like one of the quests you can do To basically set yourself up for the heist They needed to have john wick and winston in a room there and then have lester off telling them what their options are Like how they do it because he's off to berlin, right? Yes, go complete the side quest of going and dealing with this minor antagonist Well, I mean let's just do the busy work first So he turns up at his family's place and he's like, hey I want to mend my ticket and he just gets shot immediately Yeah I don't know why john didn't expect this Because like you can't just mend your family's ticket. That's that's considered like an impossibility But yet he's just like, I don't know. Fuck it. Let's just do it I presume that that was meant to be a comedy bit. All right people in the theater laughed at that one Sure I laughed at a lot of it seriously like I don't know I mean the Yeah, there's some funny moments, but I don't know if that meant to be funny in the way that like I laughed at them That's all Um, I don't even like genuinely in terms of substance I just want to sum this up as they say We're gonna kill you because Our leader was killed As a result of different shit that happened with you And so fuck you But also we hate high table kind of as well. Oh, we're yeah beneath the high table Well, because john says we have the same enemy and then she's like what I mean What could you possibly do for us? And he's like I could kill that guy and then she's like, yeah, okay And that'll mend your ticket. Yeah, it's like wow that'll mend the ticket You're literally Refamilar family arise him so that he can regain his seat at the table Despite being ex-communicado as long as he kills someone who as far as I know is chill with the table Right killer hawken Yeah, I think so how could that possibly work like isn't isn't the marquee gonna annihilate that family You think they would like he talked about everything that idea touches like they're all dead Yeah, well, I guess I guess not Yeah, the response to that because they're fine. Yeah And uh, he doesn't even think about that either nobody does because I don't think the fucking writers kid They were just like they'll be fine. They're the cool russian family. It's it's fine to worry about it Um, and yeah, I don't think anything else of note happens in that scene Except maybe I am claus I am claus really. I don't know why this is even this is a funny bit probably that they wanted to be Yeah, it's supposed to be funny. I think yeah Rags liked it. I think that's probably the only thing he liked in the film was I am I am claus I am claus So, you know, there's that a little like little heart beat on the flat line So anyway, uh Killer hawken is who he's sent to go and kill he is uh He's like a I don't know if he's like a martial artist in real life, but he's a guy in a fat suit So he gets to do some fun Stuff he's he's more interesting to me. I guess than anything else in the movie kind of except maybe donny yen's character So the idea is the family deliver john to killer hawken saying like we captured him for you And he's like, oh cool. Thanks. That's nice. That's very epic of you But he doesn't actually care about them and he's saying uh The dirty people. Yeah, he doesn't like him racism But he untyes john and just lets him sit down the first thought I had was gonna take his coat They're gonna take the body armor off him No, maybe not. No, no, of course they would and untying him. Of course you need to do that, you know for reasons And yeah, so it's like, okay, so what's happening here? What's gonna happen and uh Uh Turns out the arrival of someone else. He says you because john's like wait killer hawken was expecting me and it turns out Kane is here And you're like, wait, how could kane possibly be here? And he's like, yeah, I just fucking figured you'd come here Your family mending ticket. Yeah, I figured all that and it's like, fuck you You just track your way through the entire god damn plot line. You just always know everything's like, yeah I'm just friends with john wick. So I know stuff. That's how I know stuff Where are we? Sorry? I had to uh had to answer the door for something. We have where are we right now? Just met killer hawken the big fat man Oh my goodness. He is big. And like I said, uh, kane is also here and the way he reasoned it was he figured This is where john would be, you know, of course he's he's really good at just like so good at that reasoning where john is And you know if people wanted to argue Well, he knows this because he knows john would want to mend his ticket so that john could do a challenge to the Marquis like if that's how he actually figured all of this he'd be like, so one Why didn't you go here first instead of the Osaka continental and two if you know all of that What's the threat the marquis can always just say no Like so like the john wouldn't necessarily try this, right? The marquis people would already know about all this, right? They should this is a privilege. This is a privileged kane information That's correct. So yeah, it's just something he just fuck you. He's there now. Shut up We want to have the cool guy here to do cool guy things. That's why he's here And you're like, okay fine. Yeah, he guy must be annoyed like he just agreed to this deal With the tracker and don't he and it's like, oh, I actually know where he is. He's I'm going there now Oh, okay um, one that makes you wonder why he even bothered with the deal there's clearly tension there for them and uh Kane says mr. Wick may feel responsible for the death of a friend But I uh may feel like I'm responsible for the death of a friend, but I didn't kill koji You did john and it's so funny. It's just like no koji killed koji koji None of you guys are responsible for that weirdo. Like he's he just wanted to die. Okay Uh Yeah, and then so killer harkin goes to kill john He puts the gun up and then and then kane is like nah, we have a deal And they never specify what like the details are of this deal. I have no idea what's happening here Kane wants john dead so that he can prevent them from doing shit to his daughter. Okay Killer harkin is just guy who's fucking around. I guess and just happily have john die. Okay John doesn't want to die So what happens in this scene? It's like, well I guess kane and harkin kill him Right, what else can happen? Uh, um, I I know what happens. You know what happens, but like I I Why I like like why does kane not because kane pulls a gun on harkin. He's like no don't and it's like what What's what are we doing? John's right there. He's ready to die Yeah, kill him And while they're fucking around mr. Nobody turns up who is now going to be trying to kill john too Um And then killer harkin's like why don't we play a game of cards? Obviously and then and then nobody's like what's the buy-in and john's like more than you could afford There's like what the fuck is happening? You don't know anything I I thought the card game was to be like symbolic about a lesson or something and and it will we'll get to it But I guess I just thought it would have been interesting That was my problem I think we're supposed to believe like they all have winning hands of different levels, but the harkin has the Is like a royal flush, right? Oh, it was that Did nobody have a royal flush? I can't remember. Nobody had a royal flush Uh harkin had five twos. That was what it was, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So what was the point of all of that? Well, no someone did right didn't uh didn't tracker man have a royal flush then. Yeah. Yeah, that's what yeah Yeah, yeah I mean, uh, it's the most of it's the it's not the rarest technically every hand is the rarest But you know like it's the most valuable hand of cards you could possibly get And he gets it and then he gets like a four and then the thing is like Oh, are you like trying to like teach a lesson or or a story using cards about how You know that the system can be rigged and that's duh or something like that Well, so explicitly he says one thinks he can serve his way out one thinks he can buy his way out One thinks he can kill his way out each of them all think they have the winning hand But the moment they took a seat at the table they'd already lost Yeah, because he just cheats Well, but like I just what am I supposed to gain from that? I don't know Shut up action scenes happen. I feel so many people praise the cod scene and I was like I legit don't know what I'm supposed to gain from it Help me out someone please I um, sorry I don't I don't know like Like is it supposed to be like I am the dealer and you're in my house. So like I win always But he loses Well, that's the point John Wickes succeeds Even wins against cheaters. Yeah, there you go um The cod scene is to show the game is rigged Okay Is that it Yeah, hardsheem is a so the game is but that is the game is the card scene isn't he saying that the table has always been in control No, the whole thing just the whole system The the table like the table shouldn't have things rigged There should be rules that they're playing that that the whole point is that they're all playing by these rules They've also established and the table is just John's done whatever the fuck he's wanted for the past like four movies I don't understand how are we learning from this is that the table controls everything. It's like no, it doesn't Yeah, the whole and what is this supposed to? Yeah, like what am I supposed to do with this lesson if that's even it Like like if it if it actually is the only thing I'm supposed to gain is explicitly what he says Which is the being involved in the table in any way just means you've lost this is like, okay Yeah, I heard that 37 times Yeah, um, you know, I'll keep that in mind as John kills all of the members of the high table in John Wick 4 5 and 7 8 9 whatever So Anyway Action scene ensues because John cuts Hawkins throat with a card Uh Which that's a sharp card. I guess if you do it fast enough, right? I don't know I don't know if you can can I don't know hard fast enough that it likes like cuts someone's neck like that The funny thing I guess to me is the John had to like reach over quite far to do that And uh, Hawkins just sort of allows it to happen a little bit But that kind of you know, no reactions in terms of like what the fuck you doing getting close to be with Like the guys wants to kill you. He already said that by the way. John said he's gonna kill him Um, I don't know just a little bit more self-preservation would be neat in this movie for different characters that aren't the main ones Um, yeah, so I guess that's that's how we should explain it piece by piece He cuts Hawkins throat But it's done in such a way that it's not really much of a wound. It's a very very thin shallow wound Yeah, it's it's not it's not what which is you know, he just freaks out and sort of starts running away while This thing I don't understand what the fuck's going on Mr. Nobody sends his dog after one of the guards And then Cain starts shooting to death all of the guards What's going on right now? death That's it. I don't know is is Is the card game the train is the card game's point that Hawkins gonna kill all of them Why all of them? I don't know Because he works with the table the table want John dead Cain is here from the table Mr. Nobody was hired by the marquee himself. Yeah Everyone here wants John dead. Why are we all killing each other? I don't understand Yeah, this is the part of the writing right? We're like, okay, we have this scenario But how do we write it in a way that like some of them like they want to fight with John against these people Why would they want to do that? You know, we have to come up with the reason for things to happen. Yeah The point of the card game is that the table wins in the end which happens by the end of the film No, they don't no John gets to leave they heavily lose The table has to like kill two of their whole hotels and lose an insane amount of personnel In stuff and John just gets to leave Even though John brought the rules Yeah, like they couldn't have had a greater loss other than him killing all of the high table which he will do at some point probably I don't understand how the high table could possibly see what happened in this movie as a win Like that's not even close The amount of men who died the amount of money that was spent the Continentals lost all of the networking that's been damaged Their reputation is in fucking tatas John wickers annihilated them, but he's thought like Obviously we're not operating on the information that uh, he's actually dead by the way No way it's happening. It's just no way but anyway, yeah, that's just a big old fight happening and everyone here like doesn't have guns They will have axes Oh, yeah, they do Would be uh, you know different if they did have guns One meat thing happens. No, it wouldn't mawler. No, it wouldn't It would all in the same way It would yeah John uh, John goes to chase Hawkins. He really needs to kill him to get his thing mended and meanwhile a bunch of guys are running up to uh Cain to attack with axes and Cain throws a flash at them and it blows up and he's like smiling at them, uh Which is just like that's that kind of reminds me like, you know the whole idea of fighting in the darkness with john That could have been a good idea the idea that Cain uses a flashbang on someone. That's that's kind of fun ironic And to be fair, I shouldn't say flashbang. It's probably just a flash If it was a flash. Yeah, it was a bang Then you think that you have to cover his ears Um That's true I was gonna mention it earlier, but I had to step away when you're talking about it When john goes into the church to talk to their roma people And the priest takes out the shotgun and blasts him with it So was he meaning to kill john with that? I'll just say I guess uh, if he had he'd be fine with it But they'll you're like they'll capture him after it. So I don't I don't know honestly and um Secondly I was gonna get to it about the gun thing That's not how guns work. What if you take if you take out a gun And he like let's say that the The the priest right takes out that shotgun He hits john Sorry, I got hiccups all of a sudden randomly. Oh, no He hits john with the shotgun shell and john like flies back comically off the stairs and like into the aisle And the the guy who shot the shotgun the priest is just standing there So if john was hit with enough force to make him fly back from the shell Then the priest guy is gonna fly back even further because that's how physics works No They have a sci-fi attack Oh, okay This is one of those things that you see In movies and stuff where people get shot with bullets and they fly back But the person who shot the gun They don't move at all One of the ones I really liked is uh, do you remember parts of the car being three? No God, I wonder if I'm going to be able to reference this well enough that I can actually pull it up Let's let's check my archiving powers here It's uh, I forget the the name of the character, but he's like the he's like um No, I don't know. Is he in the first one? He's like the midget of the team sort of thing um Someone in chat will remember you guys you guys your memory of parts of the Caribbean should be better Mine, okay, maybe I don't know I think it's near the beginning Do you have a cannon? Yeah, he's like holding a big weapon Um, and there's like a big opening fight and I'm pretty sure there's just this really quick moment where he fires it Oh, I think I found it God, please be the thing I'm talking about Are you gonna link it? No, no, I'm gonna you have to pull up the stream. I will fetch it. All right. Let me click live All right, here we go. It's almost there. Oh, it's a great moment. Oh boy All right, here you go That's pretty great and that's what you're talking about, right? Such a great gift Hey I think the way the way that he's holding it that that that thing would just flown out of his hands backwards But yeah, if he was like shoulder in it or something. Yeah, but that's way funnier That is way He's back Oh, I can't remember like anything about now the only memory I have of this movie is this This moment Oh, that's wild Well, yeah, I mean, uh, we'll do a pirate talk at some point for sure I'm like the good stance and everything but it wasn't enough. He's just too little Um, that's fun. Yeah, I mean, so I guess It's the it's the john wick versus killer hawkins scene Um, it's kind of weird that when he hits him with the card Hawkin like freaks out and starts running away panicking and screaming blah blah When he's in a room filled with his own guards and then when he's at this point It's just john wick chasing him With a gun he for some reason turns around. He's like, all right. I want to fight you does that make sense Maybe the maybe when he saw the blood on his neck he freaked out I was actually I thought that was like the first half of making sense of Like he saw the blood thought I need to go to the hospital or Well, people can panic when they see like their own blood um so maybe Yeah, he he felt a pain in his neck And then he saw the blood and so he started kind of panicking and freaking out That happens a lot of the time if people get head wounds And they you know, they they reach up. Yeah. Yeah, so I can buy that but like what would what was his goal? I guess Oh Maybe he was just um, maybe he's got tired of running Fat guy. No, I mean like so he's like, oh, I'm panicking. Oh god blood Uh, and it's like isn't the best thing to do to Be with your 20 guards sort of thing Could be maybe He could put in between them the better Maybe it was like let me go to the club. John is not gonna be crazy enough to actually shoot in there He's gonna kill that's what kind of want to get now is like he then decides actually I'll take him on one on one Like okay, and by the way Very conveniently. It's not it's just dumb John fights two Guards before he gets to harken who could have kept running, but he doesn't The first one he shoots in the head And I'm about to get to the other thing don't worry It's the thing that everyone's talked about in this movie because it's dumb as fuck The second one hits him and they fight a little bit and he knocks the gun out of his hand to the floor John beats the fuck out of that guy and then he sees harken And then they he walks up to him to engage the like fist fight instead of picking up his gun Why Did he did he want to make it personal? I guess or something or But like there are guards everywhere potentially They only have access so it's fine. I don't know I don't know Pretty good with his gun, you know, that's what I think anyway, but yeah anyway He has already executed several people shot that gun right next to and I'm talking like What inches away from people dancing And they do not notice for about five minutes of just big all everyone killing each other They when the beat drops, you know This is the thing that pretty much everybody's already said was dumb as fuck in this film So at least we don't have to explain much of it. Yes There is a shit ton of people just dancing and vibe into the music while this bloody murder happening all around them Another staple of the john wick franchise Yeah, this isn't actually new You might have thought it's new it's not the first time they did it was in john wick 2 I think because in the first one, I think they're the everyone reacted and Yeah, yeah In the club and so into Well in two they he goes on to the stage And someone runs at him and he shoots him in the face And and I'm really this well, I think at this point you could say oh, that's stage thing But the band is there. They know that's not the stage thing and they're like, oh, yeah We're gonna put a sick beat below that murder. That's gonna go great But then when he jumps into the audience then people start like running away and sort of panicking a bit A little bit. Yeah, there's like this one scene where they go left and right and it's really funny Because it looks like they just lined up people left and right and when the scene started told them to run left and right Because no one right. It's really fake like it didn't look like real panic It's just something I remember just now But yeah, that's that's that's just the thing that has been happening. I'm not reacting to murder. It's like, oh, no Assassin fight while I'm going out clubbing trying to get drunk I hope I don't get blood on me this week. Look, this martini was nine dollars. I'm gonna fucking finish it Just don't shoot me The one in the subway when they shouldn't each other already reacts insane So this is again, I try to highlight the things I like if we ever find them but Being this big old fat German man suddenly do better combat than john wick was kind of cool Look at him go Yeah, I saw that kicky made it like dang you are limber It's just a there made me think like that's kind of a fun idea, right? Like put in this guy who's super experienced and body built for this sort of thing in a fat suit then having him still do those things Like an austin powers. Yeah, but you know, because it's just like Fun, I imagine he had fun when doing it To some extent because it looks so funny, but I don't think is it supposed to be that kind of funny I don't even know anymore. It's all funny. So speaking of He kicks it's like round houses john off Like I don't even know how to say What this club is in terms of its structure But kicks him off like the bridge at the top john falls A good three meters on his back onto a met like a steel It just it looks like it would fucking destroy you what happens to him It's not dissimilar from the wound we saw in john wick three to be honest with you, which means we know it'll do nothing Yep He slams into that spine first then he falls another like five meters just straight into the floor No problem. Oh It's amazing And he does he does the wolverine thing. He needs about a couple seconds before he's back up to full power Um, and yeah, everyone starts attacking him once he's back up to full power with axes because Axes yep, they all have axes. This is an axe themed game It's yuck We have the bows we have the swords now we have the axes They attack him with axes 2023 um Just a bit sad all of it, you know because like It's it's really flashy and that's what everyone talks about everyone was saying like how amazing this scene is And I was just like damn dude I just couldn't Stop being distracted by the insanity of his plot armor and how stupid every one of his enemies is But I guess the colors are pretty And the water is cool I don't get why like it's like how come joll wick gets to get away with it. It's not fair It isn't fair Like well, it looks real cool and the music's pretty cool Marvel films get away with it more if they had better cinematography and visual effects is that what's I think so Everything else at the moment. Yeah, unless less cuts in the fights. Maybe yeah, right like if you yeah The problem is that right now when you got modoc with this big head And they don't look like they are where they are yeah modoc modoc So yeah, I mean not much Of note other than uh, john does defeat hark and he tosses him off a bridge and it cracks his skull and he is a deadman And he takes one of his teeth. Why don't you just die? Takes one of his teeth as proof Well, that's uh That's that a guy we've never heard of and we'll never heard of again because that was a very Definitive side quest as was mentioned. Oh, yeah. Yep. Let's say, um, not the best proof That you've killed someone but I guess there'll probably be news reports and things that can Do they have social media in this world? I don't even know You just take a picture with your phone How does he have a phone? I don't know Oh, probably not right because otherwise I would assume this would be on the news Crazy ax razors in bade club Um So, yeah, I don't know it's it's all rather baffling, but he does actually get the ticket Mended which involves like a fucking. I don't know. Is it a second-degree burn that you would get from that shit on your arm? Yeah, they have like a like a big Tub, uh, I forgot the proper name for it where you like melt stuff in And then they have like openings on the side, which is like, I don't know Symbols or writing and then they both have to put it on there and I don't know if that's for Rejoining or joining in general because if it's for joining in general, they all should have scars already Especially the leader lady. Yeah, she'll be covered in those damn things Yeah, I was gonna say even if it is just for mending tickets. Does she have to do that for every ticket mending? Because damn, yeah, that's like, oh god. No, you can't rejoin. I don't want to do the arm thing again Yeah, fuck over works. Where's a fake arm for it? And that shit needs, uh, you know, I make some, uh Potentially like third degree burns. You gotta probably go to a hospital. No, it's fine He even shows it off in one of the next scenes and it's just heal. Well not healed, but like it's fine. It doesn't bother him Yeah Um Yeah, I mean swiftly moving on because nothing will happen to that wonderful family. They're fine. The table won't hate them forever It's totally chill. It's not like they helped and supported john wick and then added them into the family once He killed a member of the table question mark Whatever for the express purpose of dueling the marquee. Yeah, that's the whole reason this is all happening too It's just like man, you have every reason to have gotten all of those people killed and john doesn't even seem to notice. It's fine So, uh, yeah, uh winston meets up with the marquee and says john wick has called you to a duel And uh, and this again the dialogue is so shit. He's just like he can't do that He doesn't have a family and then he goes actually he does it. He just got it all sorted here It is evidence and then he goes, okay. Well, why would I accept and he's like because there are rules and then he says uh new rules new ideas now and it's just like what and then Winston in response right it's up to the table I don't even know what's happening because winston just says in response yet You will accept because we all sit beneath the table even you And then the guy's like, okay, so what are his tubes? He says unconditional release of any and all obligations to the table also rebuild Uh and reinstate me and rebuild my continental and he's just like Hmm And he's thinking about it and then winston goes you could be remembered as the man who brought john wick the most Feared of all into the light. How high that could take a man in our world and it's like Winston, I know you hate me Like you're just saying this to get me killed Lating that you're trying to manipulate me like I'm 12 years old. It's unreal that that would work for your math test You would have untold power Untold power in the classroom It's just it's just funny to me that the implication is he could just say no, but winston's like, yeah, but wouldn't it be cool though? Come on Don't be a little pussy now Come on And then he says but winston's leaving and he's like, ah, there's one thing you've forgotten winston It's like and this is setting some big stakes now. You're ready. He says what you've forgotten about the old ways is But if you die your second is buried with you that is the rule And then winston says, hmm such is life Which is like a nice reference to the whole thing about the ned kelly thing, right? But uh at the same time it's like I thought the whole thing was not killing winston Yeah, but not different. I thought the whole fucking idea was that you weren't gonna kill winston because then he'd be made a martyr But now he just is like Okay I don't understand at all. Why any reveals that like it's an enticing element like ha ha winston's gonna die down It's like you could have killed him already if you wanted to Yeah, he was right there You said you didn't want to and you said that it was a point that winston had to figure out for himself And winston said that you wanted to leave him alive so that people wouldn't think of him as a martyr And now you're gonna kill him. I don't know sad turn off a week later. He's here in your office delivering you a dual document Like you really fucked up. I'm not killing this. You know how you didn't kill me. Here's your death warrant This is revenge best served hot and steamy like he didn't white at all He's right on this also someone has highlighted a problem that I've just raised technically But I don't want to get to that until we get to the the fight. All right, so don't worry. We'll get there Well, I got you one of those things, you know sometimes Sometimes errors They have to wait until Yeah, you did. Yeah, it's one of my favorite flaws of the whole movie. It's so funny um, so they have to pick uh Basically the idea is that john and the marquee have to Pick an answer to a question say for example When will the dual commence they both pick and then if they're different answers, they both have to draw a card That's made of metal or whatever Glass, I don't know um and whoever's the higher number then gets their pick And so john says he wants it now and the marquee says he wants it at sunrise The marquee wins. So it's at sunrise Let's start with that one I find that hilarious that the marquee is planning to send an army of assassins at john so that he couldn't possibly make it to the dual Right, he wants to kill him before he can get here Yeah, why did he choose sunrise? Just take all the way later time. Why did he just say? Oh, you know 2030 I was about to say is there a time limit to say 2050 Was there a distance limit if you if you want to have it later if you want to have it immediately Then say oh Bangkok, Thailand Well, it's a location the moon And he's like, huh, they'll never be able to do that and then they're like, all right. Here's your space suit We're getting into the rocket Is actually You can fly right john wick can fly you can fly to the moon. Yeah John wick just like just like with neo He jumps into the air and just flies up to the moon and the space suit is just because he's immune to fall damage The space suit is just a normal suit again It's just the same suit. It's like, oh, yeah, this one has space capabilities. No worry. Yeah Someone said the space suits would also just be three pieces. Yeah, probably That's what I just said. That's what meadow just said. Yeah. Yeah, I just noticed it when the chat said it It's it's a fun idea that deserved repeating. Okay I'm not sure. I'm all right We'll have our we have our dueling suits. We have our our gunfight suits. We have our moon suits You know So dress for success Uh, that's already really fucking dumb because especially because he won so he could have pushed that as far as possible But whatever if they had said sunrise is the absolute latest or something then fine But no, there's no implication at all that that would be the latest I don't even know why it would be it seems reasonable that you give people days to set up, you know Yeah, anyway The marky then says you come here thinking there's a way out There is not we will honor our word and you will have your freedom if you win But you won't take it It's like, okay That he says you won't take it because this is who you are a killer Killing gives you purpose and a man without purpose is nothing Yeah, but I saw the first movie. That's not true. Yeah, we know it's not true He was fine for a long time without killing dude He didn't want to start killing and he kept killing and someone killed his dog. That's the whole mean Yeah, I was just chilling. It was like, hey, this is great I'm gonna chill out with my wife. Well until she died. I was like, I got the dog gonna mourn her It's gonna be shit, but you know My life moves on and then these fuckers come around to kill the dog like, ah And now you tell me I can't kiss like fuck off Fuck you I got how did how judge does not say it's like no, no, I did that already for a while. It was pretty good actually Then mr. Krabs is like, all right. So we're done, right? We've got the location sword the time sword whatever and they've chosen He wanted knives. I think all swords or whatever and john wanted pistols and pistols went out. So Yeah, dueling pistols specifically And he's like, yeah, so we're done and then the mark he goes. Whoa one more thing a nomination And then uh Krabs is like, yeah, who and then he goes kane And then Krabs just goes, okay, so be it I think it's like, hang on wait. It's like, whoa And um, yeah, we find out so kane is like, i'm not gonna fucking fight your fight. What do you mean? They just goes your daughter That's it every time every fucking time it's just like, why does kate even bother Suggesting that he won't do the thing this is like it's so Oh Yeah, they've got your daughter still kane. I don't know if you remember She's still there And can we just be like the whole like doesn't this circumvent the whole point of the duel You know the person you've challenged to a duel can just say no, this gem is gonna do it Jim's gonna do it Jim is the expert at whatever it is we're doing especially because you can choose your second After you've determined what the duel will be about So if if the other person's like, oh, I don't know that fencing rapiers is like, oh, I nominate the world champion and rapier fencing Yeah Well, so that's the part I was gonna highlight mr. Krabs doesn't even check if it's okay. He just says right it's like Can I nominate anybody in the world? I think the other thing he says like, well, that is his right. It's like why I want to duel him. Why are you allowing all these people at me? Yeah, it's like I want to duel him. That's the whole point of me saying I want to duel you Not some other random guy And it's like, oh, no, you know you know make me fight my friends. You're a piece of shit You know like you duel this blind guy If the blind guy doesn't do it will kill his daughter. It's like wow you guys are great. You guys are awful How do you have anyone she's so great. It's like you oh you want him to do it? Okay, I mean he's blind. I don't know if you remember that but I'm just gonna duck, you know Fun of kane was like He just won when he gets nominated. He's like dude. I literally cannot see And john knows that very well. Are you sure you want me? That's a joke they could have had they could have had him saying, you know, who do you nominate and then Uh, the marky could have pointed at kane and they could have been a silence for a little bit Then kane went he's not pointing at me like This is the um, this is what was that what's that stupid movie about the um, it's like the ping pong thing The ping pong thing balls of fury one of those Yeah, yeah, we're the old blind master. They're all sitting around Oh, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, the blind master is like someone someone tell you what's going on Yeah, uh, he gets like the golden paddle or something and he lifts it up and everyone's looking at it going like Whoa, like they don't even say anything. They're all just like wow and he's just standing there. He goes. What what's happening? Why is everyone quiet? What's going on? It's one of those Movies from they don't do they make those kinds of movies anymore the stepbrothers dodgeball All kind of movies I like balls of fury it is a bit of a discount dodgeball, but it's still good Top ball. It's still a famous movie to this day They just don't make those movies anymore and they're so funny and stupid Land of the lost like that I don't really like that you put land of the lost with dodgeball because like I think dodgeball is actually like pretty solid Whereas well that that general kind of movie the the sort of comedy kind of movie Yeah, because they're definitely well different qualities I saw a trailer for something that was seemed to me like it was going to be that kind of goofy even got wil ferrell in it It's called strays. It's about talking dogs and that's coming out at some stage this year I guess. Oh boy, you know your career is doing good when they start casting you for talking animals Hey, I last wish was great Yeah, that's why I said that's how you know your career is doing great. There you go Uh, so gone and kane have a little chat before everything's gonna go down um I don't really know what I would mention about the conversation that is of interest kane basically says like We do everything we do we do for the living the live the living that are all that matter And that if it's between you and my daughter you're going to die And that is the opportunity be like How is it your daughter versus me as opposed to your daughter versus the table? Yeah Think about it kane think about it talk about how they just coincidentally happen to show up at the same church Maybe they they said meet me here. Oh, we kind of chance. I don't know I mean kane knows where he is all the times anyway. Yeah, he literally has a tracker I had a feeling you would be here for john John radar this is this is the church you always go to before a duel john Like I know I know that's the first time I've ever been here. I'm your friend Um So yeah, then mr. Krabs is like this is how you resolve the situation a duel with the baba yaga And failure would mean like a complete fuck-up and embarrassment for uh the the table And that um a man's ambition should never exceed his worth you would do well to remember that And like I hear in all this and I was just like you're gonna do anything about it then Are you just gonna fucking talk? Where's your hourglass? He never brings it back? Yeah, that was like the most is one cool prop You could have hit him over the head with it said stop fucking blowing up continentals I don't have enough hour glasses for that I like I legit i'm just sitting there like he represents like the interests of the high table This guy is clearly insane the marky and he keeps pointing out how insane he is but not doing anything about it He's just like man, you're nuts Anyway, anyway, all right How come the uh, how come the mr. Krabs guy how come he doesn't go to a duel and when he saved the weapons Dude imagine he says like who's your nomination you just go mr. Krabs. He's like what? What you can't do that. I don't want to do it Pull a weapons hour glasses pistol You can't make me do it. He's like I have a marker. He's like, oh Fuck god damn it. What did I do to that marker? You know, they probably think about that on the writing team They're probably like never confirm whether or not anyone has or hasn't got a marker Because we'll need to pull them out of the ass every once in a while. Yeah The marker John Wick 2 um So then the marky's good old mini boss walks up to when he says like, what are you doing, man? Why are you putting your faith in a blind man and he's talking about the duel? I legit was just like what the fuck are you talking about? He outplayed all of your men You saw him do you wanted to save you wanted him to like save your bacon at the Osaka Yeah, you asked him for help and he fucking killed the ball like why he's the only person that fucking fought john wick had lived why Like he's like the one guy who can't make this comment Like I can't be too hard on him though because the guy is Is blind theoretically he's blind and being asked to participate in a duel of pistols of 30 paces Well, then the marky guy says there are those who have something to live for There are those who have something to die for and there are those who have something to kill for John has none of these things. He's a ghost, but the blind man. He has all three But I guess he wants the blind man to do it because he thinks he's really motivated to do it when it's like john Wants to kill you Yeah, he has something to kill for Let's be clear anybody who's involved in a duel has motivation to win This is why every time they pull out these fucking quotes. I'm sitting there like but what about the obvious thing that's happening right now That completely destroys that quote. I don't understand what you're trying to say Like john hasn't got anything to really motivate him except a pure angry furious fucking vengeance to see me die Which I guess happens if he wins the duel, huh? Like I don't know that's does nothing though. It's fine. Don't worry about it The follows I would say and mr. Wick will never make it to the duel And so the obvious question is now going to come in a couple people said already It's like how is it okay with the fucking rules that he can like basically encourage an army of assassins to take out john wick to prevent the duel from ever happening How is that okay? Because we don't give a shit about rules or like what the rules mean Like obviously this is a breach in the spirit of the duel if you try to murder the your duel opponent Before the duel. Yeah Obviously, you're circumventing the purpose of the duel by doing that Yeah, um This film's like if I get whatever Do you think it's like they're called the high table because they were high when they fucking wrote all these No, maybe it's called. No, it's called the high table because they're actual infants That's the big twist john fights his way up this huge tower Like of all these men and then he gets the the boss It's just a baby and he's like it all makes sense. Oh, yeah, it's like Yeah, you have boss baby there And then there's uh, there. Oh, there's the e-trade baby. Do you guys remember the e-trade baby? What about the sun baby from tally tubbies? That's there too. Oh, yeah, the sun baby from tally tubbies grogu's there It's just oh my god, it's so many famous babies Allora dad ends there Yeah, and then you have um like just an embryo from man of steel He finally got his chip. He finally got his chance Oh To become a part of the table it like reduces you to your baby form I don't know. I don't what are some other famous babies? Like I love the inauguration of it is like you could just write a random rule go right ahead It's like what if it contradicts other rules? It doesn't matter go right ahead Just write a rule. It's real fun. We do it all the time It's great. Oh my goodness We're about to begin the big action sequence Uh hobo man hobo man shows up and he gives john his outfit and gun I thought he already had it in a way or whatever gets a new big boy suit It's really funny. He says like uh, if you if you have any close encounters or intimate encounters I think he says this pistol it has fangs rags rightfully said What does that mean? I was like well, it means that you can dismantle the gun to a point where it can be used to stab people The big question you may have Is why not just give him a knife No, okay. That's fine. Just just just random this viper has fangs and you fucking like it Okay, that makes sense. I mean because I just knives are like it's really weird I've noticed this knives are like built for human hands to stab people with You I mean you could I mean I guess it's like ergonomically You could stab with a knife attached to the end of a pistol grip. That'd be fine. It's just Like it's inside of the pistol That's obviously what I'm getting at because we watch him stab people with it I'm not saying it's that that's like an impossibility or even a difficulty. It's just the You you present this like it's this amazing feature of a gun when it's just like oh, we have those already The knives and they fit like on a belt. You'd be fine In fact, you put it in the other hand while you have the gun Yeah, I can stab two people at once They make such a big deal about this gun Oh with mentioning someone just said like why isn't it like something that's attached to the gun as opposed to you Have the gun has to be dismantled to use it So I think you can sneak it through security So that whenever you're going through security Whenever you go through security people are like they'll never Yeah, like you have the knives on you, right? We're gonna have to check that gun for a knife It might just So but yeah, they they like think it's really cool describing this one gun they give to john as I get to Like a millimeter pit viper or something like that. I'm like, it's a nice gun. Yeah Yeah Like like most of the audience even knows what that fucking means They're just like words to people like gun. Yeah, it's good. It has a name. It's being talked about like it's really special and cool it let a cool gun I think you should have said like not only Does it stab? It also fucking injects venom. We've got venom in it It slices or actually it's even more than that when you detach the thing a snake jumps out It just jumps out and starts attacking people Allegedly if you remove the fangs you can eat it for health, but I'm gonna be honest. I don't know how to fucking do that So I guess I'll just sell it Um, so yeah The stakes are set. I get well they build it up first. We got this um, this dj person who's like Announcing to the world that the bounty is going up and that john wick is we know I was about to say we know where he is. They know he's in paris. They don't know more than that Right, so she says for all the people out there to all my loyal listeners tonight is your chance to make some beautiful music It seems there's a thorn in our slice of paradise a wicked man If you want the prize There's a thorn in our slice of paradise. That's just like that just doesn't work There's like a there's a lot of this whole thing. It's You have like a a fly in the ointment or something like that You have like a thing and a thing that isn't supposed to be there like a thorn in a slice of paradise It feels like thorn slice and paradise of one part of three different things Yeah, like it doesn't like it doesn't quite mesh like oh, we've got too much salt on our Tofu slide or something, you know, just like a like you do a food related thing as an example Or you do a gardening related thing as an example Well, so my issue with this was going to actually be that up to that point I was kind of okay with it in terms of this announcement because I was like, oh, remember when The idea was that we're in the real world. She's actually on a radio and that you can tune in as a normal person But that she all she says is it's your chance to make some music There is a wicked man out there And she says this golden oldie goes out to him Um, and up to that point. I was kind of like okay cool Yeah, there's assassins listening to that and they're like wicked man That's gonna be john wick then and maybe I would have appreciated some of like get john in there somehow But in a different place at some point So they have to just do a little bit of but then she just says this hit goes out to you john wick Like oh That makes it a little lesser Um, yeah, I mean Yeah, it's a little overt. I guess if you're just listening in you're like, oh, I guess it's john wick's a special guy Well, so it's not really a criticism. It's more of just a sad moment of like well That could have been more neat, but it was just that you could have done something a bit more clever But instead he just said john wick um Which yeah, I think it starts to crank up with uh The the the whole sequence he gets his shit from oh he does say on his gravestone He wants it to say loving husband. He says that to winston and the hobo king and it's just kind of like remember the wife Yeah, the wife From the first movie who's in the first movie. Yeah, yeah fucking dead So now It's time to think Don has to get to the duel And he's currently in the sewers and there's a whole City of people gonna likely gonna try and kill him. What do you do if you're john wick? Uh, uh Swim uh hide So I actually said this I think I've been on your forge Yeah, you'll think you'll think i'm lying or i'm crazy, but Put on the full clown outfit full makeup the little afro or whatever and and even maybe get a unicycle And just perform in paris and then slowly make your way Do the area and be like yo, i'm john wick I feel like oh shit. That's john wick because nobody's gonna think the cloud is john wick Nope That's what he should have done a mime because he's in paris. You could do a mime. That's an oh mime So these are like these are the high level brain plays. Okay I wouldn't expect john wick to be able to achieve that. So what can we do for maybe john? This is a high level mime maneuver right here. Well, what about a ghost sheet? Like is this spooky halloween costume? It's like, ooh, and then he orders a taxi cab and he says, ooh, take me to the duel Imagine being a taxi cab in paris and some ghost rolls up to you walks up gets in your cab and says Take me to the duel The cab driver's like, yes, sir. He knows exactly what he wants. Absolutely sir right away It's like several duels happening at a little time in paris. It's like whatever. It's normal Oh, take me to the duel. No, if anyone's unclear on why we're suggesting these It's that you don't want to look like john wick is my point when you're moving from one place to another in public Because that's what everybody's been told to kill You know, like I said clown ghost mime, whatever you just just pick You know what? You could just wear a hawaiian shirt. You could tie his hair up. Maybe wear a wig Hey, it's me john wick or a decent man. I'm bobby You could have like oh, you remember um the pink panther outfit he has with the hump the fake the hemp He could use that he could put on the fake nose and everything. It would be great, but Fat suit you could go back and get the fat suit from the guy. There you go fat suit. This is so I gotta get to the duel Um So there's all that but let's just let's just throw on a restriction for no reason at all He has to look like john wick. He has to be wearing the suit and the hair in the facial All of it has to stay the same. You're like Okay, why? You're like shut up. You're like, okay. Okay. All right. So that's that has to stay the same So now what's the plan? It's like well stay in the sewers and get as close as possible Maybe actually go by boat. That's not actually a crazy idea to get as close as possible Wherever the closest area would be to that and then just I don't know drive there It's gonna be hard for people to know That you're in a car, especially if you have like blackened out, you know, like the the shaded windows and stuff Yep, so if there's all you know that that'll do and it's like no, you're not allowed any of those things You're like i'm not allowed vehicles that will protect his identity. It's like no, you're not allowed vehicles Why you may ask shut up. Why so now what's your plan? It's like I'm not allowed any vehicles and i'm not allowed any disguises uh I guess he like He tries to find a way around like a really secret way stays by tries to go Avoid public areas. I don't know. Yeah. Why are these weird restrictions on me? And it's like well because we're almost to the reality Which is john wick knows this entire city is full of people that want to uh kill him Right and and he decides to literally walk from the sewers He's he erupts out of there at the Eiffel tower and he has to walk from there to his dueling location He's crossing streets filled with people and he looks literally just like john wick like I was I was confused. I thought I'd missed something when I saw this. I was like, oh, this is something he has to do for some reason It's part of the honor of the duel or something. Yeah, but no, he's just an idiot As as is every fucking character in this universe. Why why couldn't he dress up as a clown? It would have been funny Yeah It would have been funny and he could think of all the weapons he could have used in the clown arsenal He could use like the flour with the water to blind someone. Oh my gosh, I should it wasn't I should have smelled it I thought it'd be great Then he punches him or he has like he takes off his red nose and he throws it at someone and it gets in their mouth Or oh my goodness hang on Oh, no Check this out There's a skeleton in there somewhere we can see the weak spots you could get him right between the To be fair the bullet would probably like bounce off of his um His facial hair is more unkempt It's more like that guy's facial hair I'm going to kill them all This is the memes that we were talking about right really early on that the The guy in john wick 2 comes to john wick like I need you to satisfy the marker. He's like okay Oh What do you need me to eat look at his little legs? His tiny little legs. I want to see the movie john feck of him doing action That'd be a good movie It'd be better than john wick 4 Yes, because he does uh I know this is going to surprise everybody He walks through the streets very publicly and then someone spots him and alerts the radio dj who then tells everybody Exactly where he is and then he is attacked Yeah, that's how we get our big fight. By the way, that is the closest That's the closest thing to cause and effect this movie ever has and it's all built on someone doing something incredibly fucking dumb And it's just like thanks, I guess For a little bit of our fight scene begins and this fight scene is going to last for like 30 minutes Yeah, but we Why would someone who's going after john wick want to alert more people to where john wick is That's like, um, maybe he works for the dj the one who spotted him Oh, they're just out and about that day and yeah, no I was gonna I'm of two minds about this. It's like he got spotted immediately and it's like would that happen? It's like Maybe it would like I don't fucking know. Everyone's an assassin, right? I'm very sad because I'm already I already know what we're gonna be talking about now um John wick gets hit by about seven or eight cars in this Yep, and some of the hits are like the worst kind of hits you can even have The kind that would have broken bones and possibly like moved his limbs in ways that are not the kinds you want to move them Um, oh no let alone the force And I feel like saying that most people would just be like Yeah, okay, so he was hit by like two or three cars was it and it's like no Like seven or four or five It's a lot it's seven eight. It happens really quickly But he's uh, he's hit by one right at the beginning to the floor and then immediately after that run over hard call by one So it's like two within like a couple seconds As soon as the fight starts Well, he gets yeah, he he slides off of a car into another car. So that's that's one Kind of I would even count the one where the car drives him into a car Like yeah, but yeah, yeah, and then he's hit by another car. So I would say it's up to four pretty quick And there's more it's um, yeah He also gets kicked into a driving car that goes sideways and he just like a bulge in the car Or like an indentation or whatever you want to call it like it's kicked into it by the marquis henchman boss guy So that must have fucked him up pretty bad And there's a moment I highlighted it on uh on your forge mail as well But there's this guy who he's having a fist fight with and he I think the implication is he knocks him Out and drags him down and his head is on the side of the door But his arms are behind the door. I'm not sure if that was supposed to happen or not But the guy then lifts both of his arms up and over to hang them over the door so that when john drives off He doesn't immediately fall off instead. He's dragged with it and then tossed off I guess the only way I can say this and the easiest way to understand is that the stuntman seemed to move His arms in a way that would put him in more pain and danger In order to make the scene work because his arms were in the right place. That's what it looked like. Yeah um And there's stuff like that throughout I'm not going to highlight it all because at this point I'm getting tired It's just like a That's all the john wick movies ever are there's all these weird things happening because they do long shots So when you do long shots, it's hard to maintain strong choreography Everyone has to get everything right And it's tough and so when people do get it right and it looks amazing Uh, you praise the hell out of it when they Do okay And there's some people fucking up and stuff you kind of just you know like well, you know, it's all right And then sometimes you just have like a complete calamity Combination of people not being on the right cues Lot armor everywhere people making baffling decisions and you do get that in this every once in a while Um, but yeah, he gets run over like four or five times and it doesn't even matter He's just moving on and everyone they got killed and then it moves into Possibly the dumbest fight scene in the whole movie the one with all the cars Oh This one was miserable watch. This was like, oh, can I downgrade a movie from third monitor to a oh, I don't have a full I could put it behind another window I mean that would probably be better for the experience. Um, I explain what this is like This is just one of those checkout moments where you're bright You've just totally checked out from the movie 100 percent all of this is nonsense There's not going to be any issues John wick can do anything he wants. He could be in the middle of the street dozens of people can be shooting at him Over and over and over and over again Like three or four times over and over and he'll be fine. Don't worry about it No problem here and you're like, oh like why am I even fucking watching it? There are no stakes Yeah Uh, and yet it's considered one of the best parts of the movie. I think by a lot of people This is like the the favorite action scene Why would this one be picked over like other set pieces? It's so fucking intense. There's cars driving everywhere There's men everywhere. There's people getting run over. There's dogs biting balls. There's guns going off There's all kinds of lifting jackets on heads and lights everywhere and gunfire and headshots I guess I just I don't know why it would be like I guess the thing I I don't know how you get past john wick getting hit by a car like four times Uh, it's a fantasy Well, it has to be because like the the marquis mini boss guy He throws the dog at the car and i'm like, oh the dog's dead damn and then the dog like Just gets up immediately because they wouldn't want to do that to you Yeah, and it's let's us all that I think it's like, oh, so like we are like in like this is an earth This is like an alternate reality like fantasy world. It has to be This is insane. It's just I don't understand how anyone dies in this world Well, why is it that when other people get thrown into cars they Because that's the thing if you're like, well, it is a fantasy world How come like when other people get thrown into the cars they die? My cars he's okay Oh, because actually it is a serious movie where they just make mistakes all the time. That's probably it actually How about that? Yeah, that's what actually is the case. It's just it's just not very good well It's it's also the scene that feels the least tangible because it's clearly the one that has the most visual effect stuff going on Well, um Yes, and and the question rises of like we're the hell of the french police It's like Well, and why are all the people who are going on the roundabout just continuing to drive when there are people Stopping and shooting at each other like to be fair. They are frenchmen. This is paris What that means they don't want to make sure their car doesn't go Also, funnily enough, there is an argument like you might want to get the fuck out of there It says people shooting guns, but the weird part is when they run over people Um Seemingly like they just it's that shit that happens in movies and tv shows all the time the runaway car Laurie driver or something that somehow couldn't hit the brakes. I guess like that happens so much Keeps going they just keep going and keep driving This is just leading just having a lovely little drive down the parisian streets Is uh What's john wick's concern for the potential collateral damage of like innocent people getting caught in the crossfire? Or does he not give a shit the think about it is I don't know. I don't know what john wick thinks about this stuff anymore We haven't really explored that element of him at all It's like he if someone said would john wick care if in order to kill one of his enemies He shot through like a child's head. I'd be like, yeah, I think I don't think he would do that And it's like, okay. What about like just a guy just a random guy. It's like, yeah I don't think I think he'd be upset about that. It's like basing that on what exactly like Well, he just seems like a good guy. I think Yeah, you know, I don't I don't really have much Because he kind of seems like an asshole going into all those hotels and yeah, that's the thing You start to think about and you're like, well, I guess he doesn't really care that much about collateral damage No, I mean he goes also to all these clubs to start shooting people Even though there's people like right behind the people he shoots in the head So you had a wife, you know, yeah, that's he had a wife. I mean probably thinks humans are okay some of them Some of them I don't know like there's just not a lot Because you think about like when was the last time in one of these movies he had like a discussion about What he believes in Yeah Yeah So, well, yeah, anyway The Mr. Nobody is like, yo pay me more money and I will kill john wick and then the guy's like, fuck you I don't need you and he's like, okay. Call me when you realize you do. He's like Whatever and then he does ring him back. He's like, okay. I need you and then he's like, haha Price just went up and he's like, fuck you man and throws his phone And then he rings him again. It says fine Whatever you want fine fine fine. And so Mr. Nobody is now in the game in terms of like he's actually trying to kill john And you're gonna bring him a fancy old timey phone Yeah, it's a rotary phone. I'm pretty sure there was no cable on that thing. Yeah, it's wireless a wireless rotary phone Oh, of course. They didn't have a wire, but there was a dude that brought it to him So yeah, I'm a little tray Of all the millions of times in this film that people shoot at john and hit his suit The mini boss who's got really great accuracy from what we've seen Finally pulls the gun on john when he can do nothing right at his head. It's over. It's done But he freezes for a couple seconds. He looks at john. He's like And then the dog grabs his hand with his mouth And uh bites bites his head so he can't shoot and it's just like Of all the times you would freeze. It's when you've got the clean shot. Are you fucking kidding me? Like yeah You know, I I guess maybe the mini bar It's like that moment sometimes where you've been trying to boss for a million years And the last thing you need to do is just hit him with a normal strike And you just you just you're just like wow it can't be that simple can it and then you fuck up and then everything dies Yeah Simple as that I guess And so yeah, uh john runs into a building and then all of the uh The lads with the dragon fire or whatever weapons chase him in there They have like weird modern thompson things. I'm like, okay, whatever So, uh, we begin Uh, the Don't like miami sequence. I guess is what you'd call it, right? Yeah Uh, I think that's a good way of describing it with the music from john wick one. Uh, the uh club music Yeah, because I think as soon as I heard the music I was like, oh, they're probably gonna do something like big here Well, like, um, do you remember how much we could talk? Almost infinitely about all the music choices in ragnarok all the Light motifs and how they set things up with different speeds and different instruments of the same tunes And then how they would repeat them and for tragedy or you know, whatever have you Yeah There's so much to say about what the songs are telling you and how they're backing things up and where they're placed With a lot of purpose This one to me it's funny because um a lot of people didn't even know that it's the song from the first one but I immediately was just like, uh, I remember this one Yeah, I remember that And and but like what is there to it other than that? It is just meant to be like this is the song from john wick one that played in the club. Remember Uh, I guess their thing would be well Hey, for those of you who because I wonder how many people have even seen john wick one at this point compared to like That's actually a good point. Well Well, I mean because uh, they've all they've they've made more and more money each time Each one's made like double the last one made at the box office. So I wouldn't be surprised at this point if like It's a lot of people who didn't even see john wick one And so it's just like cool music that's playing in this scene rather than Because it's not really a call back at all. They're not in a club that um, but what I'm trying to get at is there is nothing to it Other than this is the knee Essentially like you're directing. Yeah Yeah, which is kind of like the most this will ever do john wick because like if you think about it Like what what would be the meaning of playing that song here and it's just like well Well, it's uh, it's the thing is it's kind of awkward because it's not like I think you could you could read into it Being diagetic in the first film and into as well when they do like a similar thing with the club shoot out in uh like in the big Like ruins place where they play. I think it's the same artist as well who did that track um And it's like oh well that could be diagetic too because it's another night club like shootout But here they're just in like some Abandoned dilapidated building. Yeah So I think I think it's just because it is a song from the first one when it's about to accompany their big one take big uh spectacle shot so there's that and I realized when attempting to praise the fact that they chose that song It's like man. I'm kind of overblowing something that is a really simple choice that is just that song existed before And now here it is again. There's nothing more to it than that um And then of course, uh, yeah the styles for anyone who hasn't seen this It's basically like they're shooting it from like a bird's eye view and they're moving through each of the rooms as though there's no ceiling Uh, and it's like a big set that is all one shot and john's fighting everybody, but You know, it's the same stuff. You slow it down. Everybody there is much stupider than john Even though there's many of them. They're all like surrounding and they'll all miss their shots He'll hit them all none of them are wearing the um the special armor You know and and plenty of them have to wait If they all came at me be fucked. It's just all the normal stuff There's nothing I have to say about it in terms of choreography that makes me impressed of them the fact that it's new I'm just like, oh, this is different It's novel less for sure. I I mean I like the framing. I think it's like a cool way to shoot it Also, I mean I would one up that just say I like the normal way they they do it as well It's just I don't think the choreography is that impressive anymore right um I still like the regular way. He kills people. I just wish it was because like it's It's just something you don't get in most action movies where they actually let a scene Exist as it is and they fight each other instead of just cut cut cut even house the dragon really disappointed me with the um Like the sword combat. It was a lot of the time they just zoom right in and cut cut cut cut cut And it's like I have no fucking clue who's doing what right now. I just know action is happening Well, it's it's the one thing that like is always going to earn john wick like points is the fact that To have enough confidence to have clarity in your stuff even if the choreography is uh You know like at least you have the confidence to show it Yeah fully and that you have acted to a willing to commit to doing the choreography like it's um It's it's uh, I think Because if you were to be like so what is it really that I think like people who especially people who are like more invested in Films like about john wick it probably would just be the fact that from a production standpoint It feels like everybody's working really hard to try and do something cool The problem is that like the script gets no attention or care at all um, it's just like I don't know and and it seems like a shame when if the script is uh More well fleshed out it could just like serve to enhance all of this Like these scenes could exist beyond like when people talk about these scenes later on You know in the same way that people talk about really cool action scenes from uh You know from other films that you could talk about the Character motivations that are informing the fights rather than just the fights That's that's that I mean I don't even know what to say if there's any else you guys wanted to say about that scene you go right ahead Uh, no not really all that work and yet You know You watched john wick for the action not for plot. Why are there any plot at all? Why isn't it just action scenes then also? How about we have a film where the action and the plot is good. How about that? Yeah, like john wick one I don't know. Whatever they say this. I'm always just like okay, but both question mark Well, I suppose it's it because if somebody said why don't really care about the cut scenes in this game, right? Like I'm only in it for the mechanics. Well, it's like, yeah, well, I guess you can skip those right But like when I'm at the theater watching john wick four, I can't skip the plot. I was gonna say it's It's like 75 percent plot It's a it's a long movie and the action scenes are long. You know this reminds me of more There's more people talking than there is like action scenes When I said the big problem with king of the monsters for me was it was like 95 fucking idiot human drama and people were like Yeah, people like I go to see it for the monsters more. I don't care about the human drama Grand total what seven eight minutes of monsters the rest of it was just humans being dumb Dumb bullshit. It's the same as like with a lot of the role in emrick films Like really you want to see the disaster stuff, but unfortunately 2012 has like Way more of just shit character work and and terrible scenes like connecting it all together Like I The raid because the raid feels like that is a film where The plot is very much there to facilitate the action scenes But the of course the raid has like incredibly well choreographed action scenes Oh, yeah with a huge amount of clarity And a lot of variety in terms of the action scenes and the scenarios are to set up in terms of the locations that they're fighting in Whether they be hallways or the big open like lab that they fought in These sort of like mini bosses with their own unique gimmicks and stuff But like I don't remember the plot of that film very well because it's been a long time But I remember it all being like totally serviceable Like it wasn't like that it was all serviceable and uh for the for the action scenes to happen in this case It's like it is detrimental a lot of the time Like a lot of what is enabling these action scenes to happen. It's just like You know, like it's just it's just ridiculous And I don't understand why people would want to dismiss the idea of like having a strong plot or strong characters or strong character conflicts Because we mentioned with empire what makes it so easy to be invested in that fight between vader and luke is the characters And like having john once again like imagine all these people mattered imagine they were sent by Someone who like had a deep connection with john Imagine they were there with them and we know that and you can identify them through what they're wearing and So like each of the combat scenes like that we can actually tell how things are progressing better in terms of characters rather than nothing at all and then of course Like lord the rings might be a comparison of just like building a plot line that you can see like Oh saraman's building a whole army. He's getting all of his tech ready. He wants to take over rohan He wants it rohan currently are on the back foot. They've held up in this giant castle fortress Oh, shit that army's coming. Oh, we have it. Oh, I see I see how everything's coming together Oh, shit, and then when it like starts to build up the actual scene It's like, yep, I understand how everything got here now I'm ready for everyone to start killing each other instead of just randomly being like, you know Frodo is moving through the world trying to get that ring there then suddenly there's like, hey, look at this castle Oh, wow, there's lives of men in the castle. Oh, wow This one's attacking that cat. Wow. That's just something that's happening. Look at that. That's interesting Anyway, it's like moving back on like why would you want contextless action? And if you say like well, it's not contextless. It's just shit context Well, the thing is it there's a lot of like you can that's heaps of youtube channels that will make really cool Contextless action scenes Like way it is it is simply there for you to enjoy the action Like a lot of those old freddy wong, you know shorts back in the day like that is just contextless action It's just oh, we're gonna have an action scene here. But like this film was three hours long I was about to say even even those shorts would probably have more Context, yeah, yeah It's just not a big story, right? It the context is there just for the action scene to happen And the action is often better too people who do the sword fights and stuff some of that stuff Some of that's really impressive Or you know like those guys who do like the assassins creed like parkour videos where they're like running around on rooftops and stuff Like that's really cool to watch as a spectacle If if they were going to make that two hours long You know, I probably would expect like some meaningful. Yeah, why is this guy running? What's he running from? What what are you doing? I don't know. It's just um, it's with a get up This is the worst e-fap in history How is it gonna beat out 84 come on? What was that? Just give it give it a youtube for you go go check out Um, yeah, by the way, I want to amend my statement. It's not that nobody would ever want um context as action It's the why would you pick it over? context, you know Why would you especially when you have to watch context? It's it's just it boggles the mind sometimes like yeah, these are cool cutscenes for fights But man because they could be so much more interesting and better Not just for choreography not just for character not just for plot not just for will building all of it all at once And man these movies would be fucking amazing at that point imagine how well these would do at that point Well, maybe maybe they would do any better or worse I reckon they'd do better if if all the room is tight as fuck and the characters are really interesting When we're talking about uh, like I enjoyed plenty of the scenes in top gun maverick that weren't them in the planes Like that film makes efforts to actually have some amount of character informing those action scenes. I'm sure everybody would agree like Isn't that preferable? Like if you're gonna have one of the two I think so Yeah It has to be like, you know, the last wish if someone said like it's the animation style and someone else went no No, no, it's the comedy and so I think it was the actions like I think it's the interaction a lot of the I feel like dude I think it's the writing that's what pushed last wish as far as it went I know that the animation still counts for a lot. It's just that I can't I can't assume something That writing must have done a decent job for a lot of people's investment in that movie Had to have I don't know. It's more than it just looking pretty. There's plenty of pretty looking movies that no one talks about Last wish yes, puss in boots to the last wish that is what I'm referring to A phenomenal movie. You should see it One of the best of 2022 The fact that avatar was nominated for best picture over that Bullshit is what that is if you want to know about it. We did a forge on it Go check that out. Yes. Yeah, if you want to know about it here for like two hours I think it's actually the most watched forge to date Oh, which is pretty cool because it's a good movie which makes me very happy. It is a good movie very good So anyway, uh, everyone gets killed except of course the two characters because I guess they qualify And of course as soon as it's just those two both of them miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss None of them hit each other except maybe john gets tagged in his clothing And then they both run out of ammo And so john tackles him and he just so happens to tackle him through a hole in the floor They both fall to the bottom floor. I just I was just like what the What are the odds of that bad? Doesn't doesn't collapse. I thought it collapsed. No, it's just a hole there Oh, that's even funny. Yeah, it is funny. Yeah Um, I because john didn't know that was there. He's just like, oh fuck. Here we go Just put it on his list on multiple concussions today. I was about to say distances like that don't hurt john at all So it's fine. Anyway, they get into a big old fist fight and this by the way, john recognizes exactly who this is He is trying to kill you clearly the bounty actually reached, you know the point and it's like, all right Yep, so they're fighting john wick. However beats him of course He does and he's strangling him just choking him out But while they're having this fight mini boss tins up And he is just looking around and john spots that he's looking around And then uh strangers doggo, which has been mysteriously missing for this fight by the way We saw him like attack someone at some point, but you'd think he would have attacked john by now Especially with his owner like many grunts of pain and anguish and you'd think the dog would have turned up But no, it's because we're doing a thing The dog Tins up to mini boss Mini boss sees dog and knows from earlier that dog is an asshole and bit him So he aims the gun at him Being the dog john wick sees that and so He releases Mr. Mr. Nobody and shoots mini boss before he can shoot dog Which in this moment, I believe is supposed to be considered a great emotional payoff for the fact that he really likes dogs Doesn't land for me though I don't think this makes much sense at all These two have been trying to kill john Why is he protecting them? What's going on? Is it literally just because he's a dog? It might be The dog would have bitten john if mini boss wasn't here. What would john have done then? He would have been like, ah, I got off my balls. He likes dogs. What about the dogs that are biting his balls? Does he like those ones? Specifically Especially I don't know like um guys i'm i'm pretty keen on dogs, but the dogs that are biting my balls I just don't know they they go down in the rankings quite a bit So, yeah, um, I don't know. I thought it was actually a little bit cringe. Um, this guy He has earned every reason for john to fucking annihilate him Um, and he nearly does except he sees the dog which is an extension of this guy who has killed people Who would have killed john is in trouble I don't like it doesn't follow to me at all. It's literally just like you have a dog Because he's your dog. Yeah, that's it The thing is this awkward line the film tries to tread that um, mr. Nobody is like a secondary Lead of the film to some extent like he's had pov scenes And that we kind of like him even though everything in his scenes is to do with killing john wick Like he was set to be a good guy Well before he even you know Pretended to be a bad guy, but then you actually look at what happened and john should have killed him by now several times over So it's just kind of annoying because like he's only really really separates this guy from just a random mook I don't know. Uh, nothing really it's just the film Like the plot forces john not to kill him And defend his dog had the opportunity to have him be like, oh, yeah, you know like we talked about earlier I need the money for the operation. I need the money to save the farm I need the money for that that's uh, but now I just wants money because he wants to I'd like a house and then john's like wow this can be a big house and he's like Yes, specifically a giant mansion. That's what I want. I want to join me and my dog to run around in dog And oh do we have like more dogs like no, what about like just this one Couldn't we have had a payoff of I don't know. Maybe it's too bleak to be like to kill mr. Nobody and then to take the dog Oh, yeah, or mr. Nobody. Yeah, is it a thing where mr. Nobody? He's killed protecting john And then john adopts the dog and so now he's got a dog again That's a thing you could have done that nobody's like, oh, I'm gonna save john because Something happens or it's tragic that he while he's fighting with john He dies and maybe you know, he does something you can give him like a heroic send-off And then you know the dog is like, oh the dog is sad because this is my mr. Nobody guy and he has the backpack with the armor on it And like this is what annoys me About the movies it gets to get away with this stuff because nobody's thinking about any of that They're just thinking about it's a dog. Don't let the dog die. Oh, he saved the dog Oh, because because the first because he was all about a dog Oh, that's so good You're like why it's pretty poggers because it's a dog pretty doggers You know dogs being used for like cute fact it was like a mean people hate it as well like people love to point it out Because the dog in this like I said it's if anything What was it people said that that was what it wasn't ragnarok. They did it was That's what a great thing to use the counter argument The fact that you could like bring up fucking 30 minutes of arguments for how important that seat is versus What is happening here? I don't understand. Why would john spare the dog? Why would he spare mr. Nobody? They're both trying to kill him for money Yep, I guess the dog isn't really trying to kill him for money I mean not like in an actual motive, but that's the function of the dog The dog's like, yeah, I love her. I love her big mansion. Yeah Yeah, just nobody's like I wanted to live in a nice small cottage, but the dog wants the mansion So I gotta do it They they did the thing where they they like what size house do you want mansion? And like the the dog's like mention and it turns over a card and it's like 37 And the guy's like, oh, just a little village this little cottage in the woods four I don't I guess we're going with a mansion The dog is not And it's funny because Five seconds later is possibly the stupidest part of the movie possibly Uh, john decides i'm just gonna fucking run and jump out a window of yeah The next wave of enemy spawns. So I need to get out of here So there's only one obvious solution to that problem. It's only one thing I could do um Everyone in chat will be mentioning aim for the bushes and we'll explain that in a second so He's on the third floor And in is it I can't remember the difference is it Europe versus America where it goes ground one two three while you guys do one two three, right? Yeah, we started the first floor is the the ground floor. That's the first floor Wait, I thought that was us that did that. Is that you? Yeah, we do that Wait, who are the ones that's because there's confusion for I Want because I remember there's like a there was an argument that was being had between two people of different place European is ground America is oh, yeah, America don't have a ground floor. That's what I thought it was Yeah, it's just always the first floor. That's can you just say the opposite of that? No guys in chat help us out did rags say the exact opposite of that No, I I just told you what we do here You have the the the ground floor is the first floor first floor then second and third than fourth There is no ground floor Yeah, the ground floor is the first floor. There is no ground floor I'm just using it because I'm talking to you brit bongers right So yeah, if you wanted to The what you needed to do was say on your money So you walk in the first floor you go if you're in america you walk into a building on the first floor Yeah, you should have said the bottom floor is first floor not the ground floor is the first floor because that's confusing as The first time I explained it perfectly fine No, you did not because you used ground floor you couldn't you you have to keep that out of the vernacular You would have you know for a fact you could interpret that both ways, you know On the ground literally on in america the ground floor is the first floor that could go both ways And I've elaborated multiple times that you walk into the first no we had to elaborate for you because we were confused No, I just I followed it up and said that specifically Next time listen say the bottom floor is the first floor No, because you could have basements You can't say that ground floor is first floor when the conversation is about whether or not the floor that is on the ground Ground floor there's also the inflection of how I said ground floor And then it was immediately followed up by saying you enter the building in the first floor Next time rex be more clear. Okay. That was very confusing. I was so clear To the point where you made me question the entire world's view of the grandfathers You need to be a better listener you americans fucked up the english language All right. Oh my god, you enter the first floor assuming that they took it. They raped the ground level So anyway, he jumps from the british third floor and the american fourth floor Wait, so I can't have a ground floor then that's racist. Well, I don't know Ours, right? Well, so is it is it actually so it's european and australian is america the only one in australia In australia the floor that is located like on the earth that is the ground floor Yeah, so you go ground one two three four america go one two three four five. Yeah Yes, but we do not but oh, oh, here's another thing. Do you guys have a 13th floor? If there's 13 floors 14 floors, I guess We skip. I don't think we do the skip thingy We do here in america. Yeah. What do you what do you mean? So technically when you get up to the 13th floor It's you it's skip. It goes from 12 to 14. There is no why or it's just uh, it's just like a It's like a superstition that kind of became tradition You don't have a 13th floor of a building because it's considered unlucky. Is that he was 14 is it like fun stories of buildings that did it and then they got like they were attacked by goblins They all exploded Why do you think there's no 13 floor buildings? They all died Well, I know the 13 is an the unlucky number. I figured that'd be a better reason than that. That's all There there might be I I think that it's um It it's I think it's just one of those things that became tradition because of the superstition of the unlucky 13 number A 13th floor It's such a commonplace little superstition That it just the buildings just don't now have a Don't they don't have a 13th floor. So when like when you go in the elevators and see all the buttons 11 12 14 15 um Like even the hotel that I worked at it was a four star hotel about 13th floor it followed that thing you just don't You know, is there a horror movie called the 13th floor at that point? Ooh, maybe and it's like, yeah, you can only get there when you're in your dreams with some bullshit Oh, oh, you know what the fear of the number 13 is called? There's a specific phobia for the fear of the tino phobia No, trisca deco phobia That's way too many That's pretty close Now of course now I'm I I highly doubt that people actually care But it's just one of those little traditions that have kind of you know kept around Which I it's nice. It's it just it's just it's just cultural flavor That is So, yeah, hopefully that gives an idea of the distance john falls and he slams into a van And yeah, I don't even hit the ground I was about to say like when you if you fell directly onto the van there's a I assume that would be better than falling onto the concrete directly But he has like the worst of both worlds He slams into the side and it like bends and hits his back and then he slams straight into the concrete Yeah, it seems like that is actually the worst way to hit it because you're getting two impacts instead of one And and again pretty bad I really would like to speak to the I guess writer or director or both of them at this point Be like, what do you want people to take from that? And if they said like well You know, this is a fucking rough gig and once again, he's been beaten down to like a Pulp this is tough shit and he's he's gonna have to really try to make it through it. I'll be like Anything else that it's kind of funny or Is this supposed to be funny Yes, it's kind of it's kind of crazy when he jump when he jumps out of that building Seemingly with no concern whatsoever as to what's down below Yeah, so that's getting over the fact that it's insane plot arbor that he's definitely dead John, what were you thinking? Yeah, he didn't know what was out there. He just river like okay. Yeah, that's fine, you know But just think of the resources they have right now. There's guns everywhere Mr. Nobody is now probably on his team because of him sparing the dog and sparing him The mini-boss has fallen down the staircase and it's like yes, but men are on the way It's like okay. So fight them like you have the past 100,000 men all time. Yeah, these ones are different Just kill they just shoot them in the face. No instead. I will jump out and kill myself because the thing about um Parodies right is the I've talked about this a couple of things sometimes It's hard to think of how you parody some of these shows or movies because they've already done it The way that like You know the other guys parodied action movies in a lot of ways was just the heroes have so much fucking plot arbor Which they did in their opening action scenes. They're just like bullets are flying everywhere. Nothing. It doesn't matter They're not getting hit But then they just have this moment where they're like Oh, shit They had ziplines and they've cut them like the the people they chased them onto a roof They've gone all the way down How do we get to them and then they both just look around just go Just aim for the bushes and they just jump off a building And then the camera pans in such a way that you can see there are no bushes anywhere There goes my hero They just slap into the ground Yeah, the fact that they just say aim for the bushes do a fist bump and smile as they jump off It's literally it's just right. It's one of the it's one. It's such a great joke Yeah, and I'll never forget it and whenever I see anything like this the first thought I have is aim for the bush Like you think John is thinking that like I'll aim for the bushes He slams into a fucking van It is parody if you made a John Wick parody film This is a scene you take one for what you wouldn't need to change it Yeah, I'm in there to think that this isn't even the worst fall that he's ever taken But maybe that's why he did it. It's like I thought it was the third floor. I'll be fine Yeah, exactly And this is after having been hit by several cars Um, how many ribs does he have left that are not broken zero zero ribs? Maybe maybe negative ribs at this point like He's destroyed Probably talk about bones in general and not just the ribs all jelly in there and uh, yeah Just hit ruptured organs any ruptured organs probably. Oh everything. He's dead So anyway, uh He's back up and going running because of course that wouldn't really that wouldn't even give a man pause I don't think it would just but but he takes a few seconds So Didn't want to in in John Wick one when he got thrown off of like the second Uh, he fell one floor and he was pretty doomed from it. He was out. Yeah He was out like that fight basically so He's a John Wick universe rules. All right. John Wick one established that John Wick is a normal person He got he gets hurt when he falls from a height now. It's all changed True a good fight that one too yep, the mini boss guy and um The You might be able to deal with the insane jumps if he was actually like crippled for a time and to be fair at the end of John Wick 3 we're supposed to believe all he's been doing now is recovering with hobo king So that's something but then this one's just like he's fine Like oh This is the throw by the way. I've found it. Yep. Whoa That's the distance It's insane. How how like job with what is a different film? It really is Desperate of that point. It's good stuff. Anyway, uh Next up is the staircase And like there's not much to really go over here. That's not gonna be done pretty fast It's just all of these assassins are on the stairs staring at John and he looks at them as like a sort of standoff It's just like so you guys could have just had rifles ready and shot him when he appeared But you don't know and instead John goes to draw they go to draw and he's faster And he shoots them before they can shoot him and it's just like why was this ever the scenario? You're ambushing What is going on? Why do these assassins present each other to themselves like in public directly to each other that go like let us begin the fight like I don't think you guys know much about assassination This is awfully chivalrous of our assassins And yeah, he just he fights his way up doing all the stuff we've talked about is no point in going through like more detail um Takes him fucking ages. He finally gets to the top And he's like put his gun away and for some reason believes that there's not gonna be anyone else But then he like somehow It's one of those things where it's only until they're on screen that he actually sees them Like if anyone's seen this film, you'll know what I mean He's walking up the stairs and you know from how everyone is that he would see them But he doesn't see them until the camera turns to see them itself And it's just like fuck's sake. I hate when they do that and I can't imagine filming that way Because everyone just be like it's fine. Don't worry about it. It'll look great awkward really awkward In any case they get the jump on him because of that like somehow and he is kicked And uh, he is then thrown again halfway through but the point Mainly is that he falls down What like how do you even summarize the length of this? um It's uh, I think it was it's uh overall 30 seconds long So the first time he starts falling and rolling down He just rolls down down down and there's like breaks in between those staircases So he rolls down the stairs and then you should stop but no John just rolls through because there's no other way that happens And he rolls down down to the next one down down down then he gets to like the halfway Three quarter point I think and he stops and he's like, oh finally But the marquee guy is right behind him. So he kicks him again No, he froze him actually he froze him into a lamp post And he just fell down the rest of it, which takes another 10 seconds or so Like I think my whole cinema was laughing at that play at that thing Well the thing you mentioned a matter that he just keeps rolling It looks like he deliberately makes himself roll at one part. There's one part in particular Where he's clearly gonna stop and then he like jumps forward to keep rolling Keep rolling down It's fucking dumb as shit and Good god, I can't imagine the kind of damage you would feel from all of that Well, there is I mean stunt people roll down Stairs in a very specific way as I understand it. Well, they're also usually wearing some form of padding as well, right? Right, whereas in this case it's meant to be a regular guy getting thrown Like, you know, don't forget the spine slam into the lamp post which by the way that spine man It's got to be made of vibranium at this point His spine is wearing a suit Looking suave And yeah, uh, he's meets kane at the bottom of the stairs who's like come on man. We got to go to the duel And this is where it's getting really weird because like they make a big mistake here Oh, do you mean how much they tell me that's a good point yet time we apparently have also that's now Clancy brown has already said. Oh, well, I guess john wicks not showing up rip Which is funny because kane hasn't shown up either Right, so the duel can't even fucking happen if john was there and what happens if what happens if john killed kane And then turned up to the duel would clancy brown be like, well I guess you won They have to they would have to establish is it for me to say? uh That the first guy has to be there Because winston is there and that doesn't seem to count but uh The duel winston and the monkey that would be great. That would be fun. Are we probably Fair still I guess. Oh, I don't know But yeah, it's What I wanted to say was that clancy browns basically said times up But then john right seems to think like oh, we're fucked and then they have kane say Well, they have john wicks say there's between two and three minutes, right? Yeah, something like that. Yeah, they cap out three minutes easily Yeah, they do In in movie time is what we're saying There's a clock on screen that they put in slow motion. They're like trust me. All of this is going real fast We're just moving really fast. Yeah, that's how good they are Um, and yeah, this is the scene where they gave up with kane. He's just fucking wrecking people easily at a distance He knows where everyone is they pretend because at one point john says there's three on the left It's like oh, which way left is a lot of left here. There's not even literally half of the world If if john had said like 10 21 it would still be kind of like I don't know man. That's a real tough shot to make. It's it's he's blind. Okay, like They are moving targets Well, yeah, yeah, you gotta get him in the head because they're wearing the uh, there's the suit So you're right. Yeah, so I am in a specific part of their head. There's a couple of axes to take care of There's not just the yeah, it doesn't work, but they didn't care at this point. They're near the end. Shut up It's cool. It's so fucking cool to see them fight together. Isn't it? You know, yeah, it is. I love them. They're great There's one part I like and it's when Donnie in completely fucks up a guy You're like shoots him in his legs and then shoots his friends But then it hits him like punch punch punch shoots another friend then like knife stifes stifes slice The guy's like pretty much done and then he finishes off with one more pistol shot and it splatters a bit of blood on him He goes, yeah, I just thought it was kind of fun that that would happen That that's my praise for the scene there you go Um, so John's about to die because the mini-boss has got him And then because this movie is fucking lame the stranger is there with his gun and he's deciding whether or not he wants to save John And he looks down at his dog and his dog's like Oh, dude, come on save him. He saved me Yeah So I'd rather be saved than have a mansion I guess so and so yeah, he chooses to shoot the marquee backup mini-boss man in the outfit, you know The the clothing not the head He had a clear in fact, it looked like it was more clear to hit the head than the torso from the shot that he had In any case Why why Also, why did it matter that usually the force of these weapons doesn't do shit all it should have just bounced off him and then he killed John By the way, that guy had a clean shot on John's head for several seconds again, and he didn't take it Because he's he just doesn't he has these opportunities and he's like Which means yeah, pretty much everyone's defeated, um mini-boss man still isn't dead But then uh stranger man gets his dog to bite him in the nuts and then shoots him in the head So, um, that's that you know and all this left now is the duel Oh goody. All right. Let's do the duel and wrap this up. I was gonna say it's kind of like a Please end I'm about ready to be done Um, this can go pretty quickly because there's a lot of walking slowly, you know, so yeah, that's not too bad Um, yeah, everything goes as expected in terms of you're not allowed to wear your armor You get one shot and then you have to move toward each other 10 paces and then shoot again depending until one of you's well Is it one of you's dead or what have you still on the floor? Uh, I think it's meant to be dead Yeah, I think this is important one of them I think that uh What's his name? Squidward said, um until one remains So, yeah, I think he said something like that Okay, I'm pretty sure he means I'm pretty sure. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, well I guess we'll talk about that now. So first shot. They both graze each other, but they're bleeding second shot. John gets, uh Pain in the kind of in the gut looks like and he gets John in the shoulder But now it looks like John's gonna win and even, uh Winston says just kill him and get it over with And then the third shot and so this is awkward. I'm assuming it might actually be the same for all of us Um, I know it was for me and it definitely was for rags Uh, it's very obvious to me that they say fire and John doesn't shoot but kane does And so John's hitting the gut now He's on the floor and so a lot of How do I put this? There are two viewers at this point one who's like why didn't John shoot? What's gonna happen now and the other viewer who's like wow John missed rip Mm-hmm, and that creates two very different scenes for those two audience members because I was just confused. I didn't know why he wasn't shooting and I was I was like, what happens now And all the other characters seem to believe that John has shot as well so It's over because John's on the floor now It's like a difficult mistake to make I feel like if you were actually present You would even hear very clearly that it was one shot not two Yeah, like your your senses would point you all to one direction and it would be exactly it wouldn't be anything to do with John Feels really hard to fake that and I didn't realize it was supposed to be a surprise I thought that we knew it from watching it. I was like, yeah, John didn't like he got him before he could fire Is the best I could interpret Which is weird, but then of course you could just add in that John doesn't want to kill him um Anyway, the marquee is like I wish to execute John now that he has lost the duel And it's like, oh wait Is he dead? Is he lost? Is he still alive? How does it what are the rules here? Like what? I don't know. I guess he can't just do that. It definitely comes across as yeah, I guess that's just something he could do You're like, okay Fine, I guess and so he prepares the gun And he makes donnie yet is like my daughter is now free from the high table, right? And he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Okay, he goes to shoot at John and this is the part that's really awkward He clearly aims right at his head He could fire he could fire the seconds passing he could still fire. He could still fire then winston says You idiot. He hasn't even fired his shot yet And he's like wait a minute And then he looks back at jod a jod gets up raises the pistol. What does he say? Does he get up or does he shoot him from the ground? Yeah, he's just consequences. Yeah, I don't shake the man in the head. Oh when I say get up I mean he goes from looking almost prone to being sat up I didn't mean he stood up Good thing that the marquee guy didn't shoot him like he could have shot him the whole time Yeah, even when he sits up and says consequences. He might well have been startled enough to just Absolutely. I know I would have fucking shot him Yeah, like but he needs to say the line instead of just taking the shot straight away Consequences Yeah, and that's that's uh, that's my key guy done. Yeah, and uh, and uh, uh, uh, kane, right? Because the So this is the big flaw They made it very clear that we've got to stick to the rules that apparently your second has to be buried with you Mm-hmm kane is the marquee's second Yep, so kane has to die now, but I think the film already forgot that like immediately Do you think they they they cover that by him going like oh, but we're cool now, right? I'm done or something That's not even close. Yeah, I lost the duel The only way that the deal can work is if he won the duel and if he won the duel, they lost the duel Yeah, exactly don't have it both ways It's kind of funny too that um clancy brown basically says Like so he says your obligation to the table is satisfied john wick. You are free Sorry, I just did the marquee state that as a condition for his side as well Well, it has to be why would the marquee be nervous if he wasn't going to die if donny n got killed He was nervous That's why he sent all of the people after him because he knew that if he lost he was dead They've got to be in it together I think the confusion here might be the like john doesn't have Like like a nomination, but winston is his second Who is the marquee's second? It's like well, it's his nomination. That's the only second that exists Yeah, who else could it be and you even have the marquee giving him the ammo in the same way winston is like it's It's the exact same thing but mirrored like I don't know how else you could interpret that Why would there be a rule for your second going after john to minimize the risk? Yeah, the risk of death for the marquee guy if uh, if cane loses What else could it be? Yeah, I don't see how there could be any other explanation Where's the nomination the nomination a second? I mean Why why would he be nervous then if the nomination dies then what is it like? Oh your nomination's dead So you're just whatever So like he just has no second. What does that even mean? What is the second? What is that? What is that role? Well, yeah, why why was winston john's second wise winston a second? What does that mean and you know you don't have an answer? Don't worry, I wouldn't expect you to try and come up with something because the film did it doesn't know what the fuck's going on But uh, yeah, uh, kane is clearly very did not mean dead. Are you meming? Barry doesn't mean death. Are you meming? You're meming, right? You gotta put a kappa when you say things like that So anyway, glancy brown says Your obligation to the table is satisfied john wick. You are free as are you and your daughter sir Obviously talking to kane and then he says you talking to winston will be fully reinstated mr. Manager All of your terms will be fulfilled. Our business is now concluded It is the most like everything is over now. All the threads are tied up. Thanks for playing by Like yeah, it is like oh, okay Joe It's all made up in a way that didn't exist as an option for john wick until this film Yeah, we've done this from the start. We've highlighted before But why didn't he challenge blood debt man to a duel? Why didn't he use the continental in osaka in two and three? Why didn't winston tell anybody about any of these fucking rules? Why weren't the markers told about in the first movie? Why they just this is what I mean john wick two is the markers john wick three was like Uh, the extensive retarded crazy elder all this they had loads of extra lore in that one And then this one of course is the the the dueling thing which is funny as fuck Yeah, um And yeah, uh, he's just the implication is it's funny. They both have like a chat john and kane and it's like You've both been shot three times You see a doctor Yeah, I don't even yeah, whatever it doesn't matter. Um, and john says winston Will you take me home and winston looks concerned? He says of course and then we watch john slump over on the steps Because he's dead Dead and they show us his grave. He's a grave. He's a graves now. He's in dirt. He's definitely dead And he's on the ground. He's beneath the ground floor And so ends the wonderful journey as many people have said this incredible book ends to to a wonderful franchise And i'm just like anybody who says that please tell me the plot of john wick two and three. I beg you I I often forget portions of it and I think they're terrible. So like You know, what are the people who like it remember? Other than the actions And so yeah, I would have more of a familiarity and investment in and all of it Dead laugh. Yeah, so the the thing I believe immediately by the way, I believe this so hard I didn't even think it was considered a spoiler to say that he's he's obviously not dead Like I thought it was just like there's no fucking way. John wick is dead They obviously agreed to fake his death so he can live in peace the film was talking about how this man has to Exist by killing people that's his only purpose. He can't just fucking leave him leave everything alone Which doesn't make sense because the whole fucking first film is him finally finding peace and then losing it Of course the film probably trying to say That he saw this as an opportunity to fake his death and so he did and hobo king and winston facilitated it They sorted it all out unfortunately Linesgate will not allow it because this film is made the most money No, no, they will that will be the story But then like I said my number one theory will be donnie n is in trouble and the only person that can save him is john wick Right Saw franchise or the well, I mean jason the jason They're doing that ballerina spin off. They're doing a television show about the continental and winston And there's no way. There's no way that this is the end. They make more and more and more money each time Yeah They're gonna make another one. Maybe not soon, but Eventually, maybe in like five years. I wouldn't be surprised if we see john wick chapter five. Yeah uh Yeah, they said they'd take a break for now, but yeah, I understand why they'd want to do that But they're gonna they're gonna make more there will be more and john wick will become like a franchise that spins off and they make a Other things the funny part of it is that and they want you to believe that all the threads are tied up But they're not you wanted to take revenge against the high table. We haven't even fucking seen the high table secondly, we've got obviously Kane he's got someone's got a death wish on him being koji's daughter I don't know if they ever want to show us what happens with that like what's hallie barry's character up to what happened with the adjudicator like what This world's just like there's just stuff everywhere all over the floor It's like you gotta you gotta pick any of that up or they're like I was still kind of operating as though it was like a story in the sense of The kinds of goals that you would typically have when writing a story and coming into this one I just I had no clue what it was gonna look like in terms of like a finale I didn't think it was gonna be a finale I figured they were gonna that that it was gonna be like setting up more sequels because how do you wrap everything up in One film at this point John Wick five John. I thought you were dead. I was John Wick five part one. I got no, I don't think it even said I could just say, yeah Yeah I got better They probably would make that joke and then they'd be like, aren't we fun? No go away So that's John Wick four Pretty bad Yeah, I don't think it's as bad as two or three I'll agree with that. I think Yeah The thing about um, what I will say is that the John Wick four can never have that those two have is They did more of like the first forms of breaking the the series apart This one's done a lot of the same things, but it just it doesn't seem to be breaking out as much Yeah, yeah They just add shit on top without really having to because we don't even see the coins in this movie No, you saw you saw one one one. That's right. This the Mr. Nobody put one on the table. Oh, okay Coins Well, okay, we got one coin. I'll give him the coin. But yeah, it's just Hey, we have the John has really good friends with the Continental's like, oh, man He should have asked him for hell ages ago That's not yeah And uh, you know for those who are curious, this is pretty much our assessment of two and three. This is how it would look It's the same thing. Yeah, pretty much like this. Here's why he should be dead. Here's why the rules don't make sense Here's what rules they forgot. Here's why this character sucks Yeah, like yep, it's all the same. It's like you can categorize it pretty easily We'll building just contradicting itself as soon as it goes on characters doing things They shouldn't be doing out of their own interests and plot armor plot armor everywhere Oh, yes, and you might think like well, what about the other stuff and you're like, what other stuff? Come on What else is there talking strictly about the writing of course because there's plenty in style in these movies And I understand exactly what people enjoy them. They are fun is what I hear I just don't have as much fun when I'm like, ah everyone's a stupid blame Uh, yeah, there's nothing fun about thinking Oh, everyone in this movie is dumb and stupid and it's none John Wick 4 The wickening chapter four. I got it right wickening part one Chapter four return to the right and ebmon. Ebmon has donnie yen in it. That's a really that's really Yeah, watch that movie. That movie's great. Actually, that's what happened After I watched john wick four and started Making notes and stuff. I was like, I should probably go get the rate and the ebmon collection on blu rays So I have them and now I do Because they're good And yeah, I guess it's like a matter of until the next john wick I guess we'll probably end up checking it out because it's such an interesting Little event that happens where yes, it's the same as every single one of them Everyone's very happy to see them. They think they're amazing and it's like this is what action movies should be like And we're all just sitting here like what the fuck is going on? It seems that you know, I give it a little bit of time and nobody could tell you anything very specific about them Um, dude, if you said a lot Like name the bad guy from two, they wouldn't be able to name the bad. Yeah If you said name the bad guy from three, they'd be like, don't know. It's like it was a girl But that's fine. Name the bad guy from four. They'll be like Okay, that was a french guy Really awkward because everybody knows who hans like is from diehard everybody knows who he is You know, people don't forget him. I mean people don't forget like the t1000 I guess that much sauron. Maybe I should see yeah, like Maybe someone would be like, well, so you can't have a good film unless you remember the name of the fucking villain It's like, no, it's more indicative of you don't remember fucking anything about the plot lines. You just don't Yeah, that's that's very much what it is. It's I it's one of the best action films Tell me something about it I think it's kind of insulting to say this is one of the best action movies ever. It's like, dude Action movies will be so much better than this well, so something because uh fury road was described as like one of the best action films when it came out I think like fury road well, so I feel like fury roads got more working for it than like These films do like Um, I need to rewatch fury road. I remember er Put me off it like quite a bit, um So I might maybe I need to give it a little reassessment can't speak to that would very well, but You know I think like because we die hard's been mentioned a couple of times just like that feels like a fucking A golden standard Something like this or like lethal weapon That's another one that you could talk about as well in terms of having meaningful stuff going on with character How about hot fuzz? Well, of course rush hour and that's like a big fun movie Well, yeah Exciting Uh, wow, you know, I didn't even look at I was I was tell myself I won't look at the time until we add just so I don't feel it It's like six six hours to get through job work for that's a lot longer than I thought it would take Well, even that's a three hour long film. I guess it's not that bad, right? I thought that we were going to skip through it a lot quicker I guess because of the There's nothing in it. But then again, you know, that's kind of the thing, isn't it? Why Why do people not remember much of anything in these films? It's like because it's actually Kind of hard to remember all the shit that happens in these There is a lot of shit that happens a lot of people say stuff And when you start like listening to it, you're like, what the fuck That doesn't match this thing that doesn't match this thing. But yeah, there we go um Well, uh, hey Metal, what are you up to these fine days? Uh, currently just playing Resident Evil on stream I know that feel Yeah, uh, I mean, I'm I'm still doing that video I talked about but that's kind of just been replaced with just getting ready for re4 Talking about that getting very familiar with that game. Uh, I basically have a finished strip script around I just need to Go back and watch it again Watch it it redrafted and my brain is uh offline But yeah, that's that's gonna that's definitely gonna happen in the near future. Hopefully So just resident evil, uh, flim flams, which prompts the question when is the resident evil for efap? That will be an entire week from now and uh By the time that comes out will when's a little mermaid coming out Uh, uh, so that's the ages away when's guardians again Guardians is the beginning of may Little mermaid's end of may interesting. I guess may you'll have some things Obviously Mario movies out this week. Yes, and uh, Not sure if we're covering that will depend when you do see it and see what I think as for Um after aria. I'm trying to think if there's anything that's guaranteed. It'll be probably figuring different things out, but um Yeah, uh more work is being done and for anybody who doesn't know we've got Mandalorian Gotham knights and the last of us is all finished now. So you can go see that whole series if you want to we Reviewed it thoroughly as we will with mando Of which there are already five episodes out and nothing has really happened, but that's okay Because i'm sure it's leading to something real cool by the time we hit up But yeah, you can catch all them on the moola channel Uh As for us, is there anything else you uh, you guys wanted to say fringy, right? Me no not a thing I'm just i'm tired Well, uh, I think my brain is like Your brain is I I did a Sound but it didn't it didn't come through. Oh, okay I was gonna say, uh, we've actually fully caught up through many different smaller sessions Where we have some free time on super chats. They're just releasing one by one And uh, we'll absolutely get these done as soon as we have the next selection of time to use for it Um, and then between now and next week is just getting familiar with re4 We'll bring on a bunch of people and we're gonna talk about that game Extensively, I imagine that's gonna be quite the long fap There's a lot to say I'd be my guess and that'll be a more fun conversation because like god damn this is pretty exhausting Like talking about john wick This feels like what was was just like I am now happy to not talk about job wick No, I don't want to talk about it. It's frustrating to talk about it Especially when trying to pass through the whole life. Well, yeah, but like why are you even trying to like analyze it? I don't know that's really lame Like yeah, well, it's a good smoke screen though for the film, right? Like oh, yeah People are almost encouraged to not talk about it. Um Yeah, kind of because that's the kind of response you get But meanwhile because everybody agrees that something like ant man is a dumb clown movie Like everybody's happy to sort of jump in and shit on it. You know, I take ant man's plot line seriously It's a dumb action movie Yeah And that's something that they might actually say about these stupid marvel movies Like that they're actually pretty meritless Like yeah, no completely, but you know like that they wouldn't be treated as like serious attempts at making film Um compared to something like john wick which I definitely got the impression that the filmmakers are taking it seriously I want to give them the credit that they're taking it seriously. I want to give them credit as filmmakers And it's just another slots right in I wouldn't say it's um better enough than two and three to be like separated from it In a tl s I'd say it fits in with them. No No, not really. Um, it's it's I don't I don't think it's as bad as those ones But like they're all inferior to the first film Yeah, I would say it goes one and then two three four right now Uh, is that your actual like order of them? Oh, no, I'm saying that you'd view them that way Like one is an island and then two three four like trilogy of this crazy new vision of john wick It's almost the point where oh wow I treat I treat like uh john wick one as its own thing I was going to say it walks off of this new dog and that's the actual ending and it may as well be like Decanonized like it's Like two three four. Yeah, you watch them and then you go watch one. You'd be like, oh, they fucked this one up I mean it is kind of at the point where I do View one like is its own thing on an island like is its own story that has things about it that I like and that make me smile Of like the you know the the spaceship. He's the one you're sent to kill the fucking boogie man Like I love that stuff I love it. It's still I still love it. I love the action scene. I love I really like that film Yeah I really I think I've talked about it before that like there's some films that I can I can't like pretend don't exist like canonically And there are some things that I can like for instance I think halo five actually destroyed my investment in like the main line halo storyline from that point on Like I just don't care anymore, but meanwhile there are other things. I actually killed my investment game of thrones Seekers didn't kill my interest in ot though No, that's what I was gonna say for some reason I look at the sequels and I more or less can just sort of Move them out of my mind whenever I think about like the ot I can sort of just watch those films as their own thing And I can like look at them happy sitting there with the ewoks smiling and it's like, yeah, you know And then that was the end of that I can do that and I can kind of do that with john wick Um like I can watch the first john wick and treat it as its own thing Um divorce from this insane bizarro world. So that's nice that I'm still there Um, I'm not even sure why this is the case. It seems to be a subconscious thing But uh, yeah, we've still got john wick one Yep, so we got one good one I just hope that in terms of lessons that will learn from john wick because when these films are this successful Lessons are invariably learned. I hope whatever those lessons are arrived from the first film Not these ones That's what that's what I want To recognize that you can make An action film like john wick and be successful and create something that's like valuable Um all on its own Well, yeah, all righty everybody. Thanks for tuning in. Thank you for the keeping this company in for And the kind donations and we will like I said, we'll definitely get to reading them out But for now, we're gonna say good night and probably several of us are going to sleep straight away But hey, it's been fun. Have yourselves a good resty as saturday slash beginning of sunday I don't know everybody Um, and we'll see you in the next efap related thing. Whatever it may be. Goodbye Sounds really fucked That's him towards made