 Well I received the breakfast in plus CV Africa welcome right back and just this is quickly we look at the issue of the New appointment of a deputy governor in or your state and let's quickly look at this track We'll come back as we have Nika Goulet who joins the conversation stay with us General for London you're starting to move from the office with effects from today Monday 18 July 2022 Those in favor that the house do adopt the recommendation in this report say aye Don't they can see me the eyes of it on this day 18 July 2022 with the deputy governor is excellency and general for London your stance to move from office with immediate effect Ralph or lion or lion has been in pitch of course because of his defection very eminent from You know the PDP to the APC at the end of the and now you're having a new deputy governor That will be sworn in or there's already been sworn in Nika Goulet is here, but Nick Let's get to the conversation really up I mean the issue of defection is very very prominent in our political space. I don't know how far Or how soon we're going to get over the issue of defection because something that has been going on for a very long time For instance, let me take you through this now the current, you know Flag bearer of the People's Democratic Party once upon a time was in the People's Democratic Party He left with the ACN and then he went back, you know to the ACN apparently He left the ACN to the APC and to the APC to the PDP There's been a lot of back-and-forth you have different persons governors who have defected a Fabio once upon a time used To be with the PDP is left to the APC the governor current governor of course of the state was of the PDP is left to the APC you have a lot of them what you use or call it at least is almost endless The question here now on here is Nika Goulet Do we have legal restrictions as to defection for political parties or persons who have to move from one party to another? Watch mercy. We want it to have you as I Don't to answer your question directly. I don't think there is any barrier or legal restriction For people defecting from one party to the other because the Constitution of Nigeria guarantees freedom of association And so people are free to form association to belong to association to exit association to join your associations And that is how political parties are also considered But the issue of defection is in as much as it does not Break any laws It is a moral issue Because you cannot say today you are a member of a party and that party is Having its own agenda And that agenda is different from the other party and Then tomorrow you now abandon the agenda of this party And then go over to the other party that you were criticizing So this comes down to the absence of ideologies in our parties. You cannot see Clearly what this party stand for You know elsewhere Where we have parties with ideologies Back in the UK here where I'm speaking to you from now the two dominant parties are the conservative party and the label party and All of them have their different ideologies on every issue If you look at immigration for instance The conservative party, they don't want immigration They don't believe immigration should be free and open to people The label party wants immigration. They want people to come integrate them. Let them be part of society Let them contribute to the the UK economy If you look at something at taxes as you would have been listening to the current debate and leadership Contest for the conservative party the conservative party They don't like that. They don't like taxes They want a small government So that people We have their money to make their own economic decisions. They don't like the idea that government should go and be taking people's money Through taxes so that government becomes powerful big and government is now making all the decisions The label party is totally different the label party want taxes They want to take money from people so that they can have money the government will have money and then embark on social welfare schemes So maybe you can see clearly here that there are geological differences And you couldn't be a conservative to they say you don't like taxes You don't like immigration and then tomorrow you now say oh I'm in the label party who love taxes who love immigration You know the the voters will just see you as someone who is flip flopping who has no Conscience you don't have you don't they don't know where you are standing But in Nigeria is totally a different case people are just using political parties as platforms To gain elective positions. Yes, yes that point has been established now But it brings me back, you know to the fact that you answer to the question that there are no restrictions There are no legal restrictions whatsoever and it's a case of morality and for when did morality become law? That's another thing, you know, we need to begin to look at so what do you make of the or your state? situation where you have The deputy governor impeach on what grounds is the question? Why do you impeach him? Because they moved I mean if there are no restrictions then it's okay as like you rightly also mentioned the Constitution guarantees Freedom of association. And so what does morality have to do with this? Why should he be impeached? Do you think that this is right? It's not right. It's not right, but again, there is a moral issue there Morality is not law Yes, morality is not law and that is why what the house of assembly in your state has done It's also legal The in fact the impeach deputy governor went to court and he was trying to stop the impeachment process But he didn't succeed the court said The state legislature had the constitutional right to carry on with the process So legally what happened to him in the real estate is right But there is morality on both sides. You see the thing is that we're talking about elections We're talking about the electorate the little electorate electorate in advanced democracies They are not only looking at the legal aspect of what politicians are doing They're also looking at the moral aspect a politician can be doing the right thing But that thing cannot sit well if he doesn't sit well with the electorate the electorate Are going to reject them at the post even though the politician has not broken any law So there is morality here on both sides for instance The deputy governor himself you contested election on the joint ticket in the PDP with your governor And you were elected you have your own agenda You don't work up tomorrow and you say you are defecting to your position party the all-progressive Congress But you don't want to let go of the mandate that you received You see people voted in me to office based on the PDP agenda That they've faith was better than the APC agenda and now you are leaving PDP to go to APC, but you don't want to Seed the office you you still want to see so how can you be an APC man as deputy governor? Try to implement an agenda with the PDP governor when the two agendas are not the same So that is a moral question on the side of the impeached deputy governor On the side of the governor himself and the Ohio State House House of Assembly again There is a question of morality because look They've impeached the man on the basis that he he was he was found They were misconduct and also to allegations against him when did they realize that this man was Carrying out misconduct in office all this while when he was in PDP this misconduct allegation did not surface It's only when the man has not jumped ship APC that you now suddenly realize that oh this man has been doing a B and C that is not right So again, you cannot see that for the electorate All these shenanigans is lacking sorting them in sorting their sensibilities Because they couldn't have allowed a man who was carrying a misconduct in office to have been in office for for three years Now since they were elected in 2019 So there are these are all the moral issues that electorate in Nigeria as Nigeria democracies mature in the electorate begin They need to begin to look at We're being prompted to go down. I will be in problems to go. But just quickly Before we leave the question here now is The deputy governor has been impeached and with all of the shenanigans that you have mentioned you said that it's been shrouded in The fact that he decarmed and all of the excuses has been proud may just be an excuse because prior to this time He was still part of the system are just close to when he's defected. So Now that you know deputy governor can be impeached for defecting who then impeaches the governor Because we still have governors who have defected and nothing has happened to them So of course I am from Benway State My current governor or tone. He won election under the APC in his first tenure He now they come to PDP and won the second tenure on PDP So they are jumping up and down like that But nobody's impeaching them because these governors have the status of assemblies in their pockets And that is one area where our democracy must mature to The legislature is not meant to be around boys the speaker of the state House of Assembly Is not meant to be a senior special assistant to a governor He's ready And it's he's heading an arm of government The legislature is a different arm of government. So we the people of Nigeria Instead of focusing our attention on the executives We need to begin to focus our attention on the legislative arm of government because that's where we pressure them And they can go and do the right thing with the governor Including removing him so far we pay attention to much of the governors and the president And we're not looking at members of the national assembly or state legislature There are a lot of people you ask them We should remember House of Assembly We have to go. Thank you so much Nika Gulay for being part of the show this morning Maybe we come to a point where we have to agree that there should be some legal restrictions on You know parties or persons who would defect Maybe we need to begin to consider effecting this legislation so putting laws to ensure that We protect our democracy. However, that's the much we can take this morning on the breakfast once again. Nick. Thank you so much for being part of the show Thank you so much. 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