 Hello, everyone. Hello. Hi, friends. We represent the technology guild. I always think lollipop gang, but it's lollipop guild. I always thought it was gang. Yeah. It's because we're violent that way. Well, I still walk on road to tech news land. There's also the lullaby guild right before the lollipop. No one ever remembers. Right, yeah. Well, they're the sweet kind of fairy girls. The lullaby gang. They put you to sleep. Boom! You're sleeping. Rest nicely. I hope you feel refreshed when you wake up. Okay, I'm going to be fine. Everything's going to be fine. I don't have to evacuate my home. What was it? Did it end up being a 5.3? 5.3 off the Channel Islands, which I think are south of us, off of San Diego. Yeah, let's see. I'm looking at the ncedc.org seismic map. Oh, yeah. Right out there southwest of Ventura, according to this. Oh! So it's a little north. Yeah, that's actually closer. Yeah, that's why it's like boom right across the water. And there was another one, a three magnitude up in Parkfield. Where's that? That's like south of Fresno. Oh, okay. Kind of on the 101. No, it's a little farther over. We wish to welcome you. It's been a long time since I've seen that movie. When's the last time anybody saw the Wizard of Oz? Friday. Oh, okay. That's why it's in my head. We watched it for current Geek Film Fest. Oh, you're not kidding? No. Yeah. Okay. One hour ago. This morning. Wonderful movie. I'm going to wear these today. Yay! Yeah, I know. Well, because I look weird when I do this, but I'll just try not to do that. Oh, yeah, it's fine. Yeah. I think that's a good look. Yeah, I think so too. Oh, thank you. It just, it makes things so much easier to read. Yeah. So much easier to read. Yeah. Those eyes look like eyes instead of L's suddenly when you put them on your glasses. Right. Yeah. Well, especially when you have a lot of like 53.7 million. Yeah. Or like without the glasses, I'm like. What? Uh-huh. Wait. Yeah. All right. I'm ready when you guys are. I'm ready. Let's roll, friends. Let's roll. Here. Oh, I'm going to do the, I guess I'm going to do, is it my turn or your turn, Sarah? I think that's mine. I think you're right. Actually, it's yours. Okay. So here we go. All right. Three, two. Daily Tech News Show is powered by you to find out more. Head to dailytechnewshow.com slash support. This is the Daily Tech News for Thursday, April 5th, 2018 from Digtinas headquarters in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Feline. I'm Sarah Lane. From the earthquake free Oakland, California. I'm Justin Robert. Yeah. Don't dig yourself like that, man. Also joining us, Roger Chang, three out of the four of us have felt an earthquake today, right, Roger? Yes. Well, I thought it was a truck. So I thought it was a crane because it was a little stronger where I am. And Sarah thought it was an earthquake. It was an earthquake. Also, Roger, you're so far away. Maybe it was a truck. Oh snap. Yeah. Why would it be a snap? I don't like to have staked any monetary or personal clean. All right. Maybe it wasn't a truck. Maybe it was a bus that Sarah just threw you under. Ooh. Ooh. Ooh. Maybe it was the L train that you just took. Let's start with a few tech things you should know, folks. Sony announced Wednesday that it sold 17.2% of its stake in Spotify for more than $250 million. Spotify started trading on the New York Stock Exchange Tuesday and closed its first day with a market valuation of $26.5 billion. Now, Sony had the largest share of any major label with about 5.7% of Spotify. Representatives of the other major labels, Universal, Warner, and Merlin declined to comment if and when they might follow suit. Cash in out. Amazon is rolling out its Amazon key main feature to anywhere in the U.S., including Keyless Entry, Remote Lock and Unlock, and Guest Access. Five more locks now work with Amazon Key for a total of eight. However, in-home delivery using Amazon Key is not part of the expansion. It's still only available to prime customers in 37 U.S. cities and surrounding areas. Amazon introduced Amazon Key in October as a system that includes a smart door lock, its own cloud, cam, security camera, and the Amazon Key app. It's an Amazon Key party. Google has started a beta test for data-only calling using Google Voice. Instead of Google Voice forwarding calls through the phone, using your phone's plan minutes, maybe Android and web users can use Wi-Fi or even cellular data. This helps for avoiding roaming charges. Right now, beta users lose call recording and transfer options and some key Bluetooth functions like clicking the button to pick up or hang up. So it's definitely a beta test, but especially when you're traveling, this is something I think a lot of people would like to have. Let's talk a little bit more about Apple, not a rumor. Apple saying a thing to an outlet. Justin. Indeed, Tom. They did. Apple told TechCrunch that there is an updated Mac Pro that is now slated to ship in 2019 rather than some time in 2018 as previously rumored. In the meantime, Apple will create a pro workflow team to optimize its hardware and software based on real production chains and release dates that cover departments like 3D animation, music, video editing, and visual effects. The workflow team will help produce real projects and pinpoint the bottlenecks. The Mac Pro hasn't had a significant hardware update in six years. Color me disappointed because I was kind of hoping that I might plunk down for one this year. Well, you can. It'll just be six years old. It'll just be, yeah, going on seven years old. So I'm not going to do it, but yeah, I mean, that's... I think the most interesting part of this story, and I know you said will, but they already have created this workflow team, and the way TechCrunch describes it is they went out and hired filmmakers and music production professionals, and TechCrunch wouldn't name any names, but they said these are pros. These are people who are highly talented and working on real projects that Apple has hired to work in-house and use their experimental production stuff so they can get direct feedback on what works and what doesn't. That explains a lot of hiring rumors that we've heard in various arenas, I think. So this has been the drumbeat almost since the iPod, right? That Apple cares less and less about desktop specifically, and the fringe, although high margin, pro users would be... They were the first to feel neglected, and this again is kind of the sweet and sour of that. Yes, they're not going to pump it out by the end of this year, although these kind of machines are probably a little bit less likely to be the gigantic sellers for Christmas, per se, but they are making an effort and making a show to say, look, we care about you guys. We used to own all of creativity. Professional creativity was a Mac ecosystem. We want there to be more of that going forward, and we are taking steps. In fact, you might say that they have top men working on it. Tom, top men. Well, I... Top people, Justin. Sorry, 2018. Top people. Yeah, I think that's a very good point because one of the things that fascinates me is this workflow team, which is a very Apple, almost Jobsian era Apple thing, of like, let's just hire creative professionals to actually work on their actual products, but in our house. So that we can sit right next to the engineering team. Apparently, they sit in the lab next to the engineering lab and give direct feedback like, hey, this isn't... This is a problem for me. This isn't working. That's going to make these things much better. The other side of it is what you're talking about, Justin, which is that communication. April 2017, they sat down for the first time and talked to the press and said, don't worry, professional users, we are working on a pro. We're not going to tell you when it's ready yet because we don't know. Now, today, April 2018, they say, hey, it's been a year since we gave you an update. Here's the update. It's coming. It's not coming till 2019. We didn't say 2018 last year. We said maybe 2018, maybe not. And now we're telling you for sure, 2019. So I think this is actually pretty un-Apple-like in its communication way. And it's great for pro users who have been waiting for this upgrade like you, Sarah. Yeah. I mean, it is un-Apple-like in the sense that Apple used to just let us all spin our wheels with rumors and wonder like, anytime Apple had an announcement, maybe it's going to be the new Mac Pro for the company to say, no, it's going to be next year. I guess sort of squelches some of the sort of, you know, frenetic press momentum that it has enjoyed all this time. But Apple also is doing a lot of things differently, you know, rolling out product releases on different schedules. So it is in many ways a new company. And I, for one, welcome the increased communication. But if I'm disappointed, I want to know. No, I think that that is to be applauded. The one thing that is different with this that Apple doesn't normally have to worry about is that normally they are selling retail effectively, you know, that they are selling to people. And of course, some people will just buy a Mac Pro because they want a Mac Pro. But this is Apple saying, look, editing houses, design firms, if you were planning on doing major upgrades this year, hold off for a year. That's when you'll get that new, new. And Apple did this with education. We can argue about whether they did it effectively. But the big complaint with education was management of the devices. And a lot of people have been criticizing Apple because the iPad they announced is not that new. But really the message to educators was we hired teachers and we talked to them about the problems and the problems they told us was management. So we're rolling out a new management platform. So even if it doesn't look popular, it might work because they actually hired teachers. And here they are hiring creative professionals to work on films, to work on high level music production. Maybe that pays off in the future. And they've also got an enterprise team. They've been working. They have partnerships with the likes of IBM to roll out Apple, the enterprise. I wouldn't be surprised if we're seeing a similar effort there, which would explain why Apple has taken so darn long to roll out some of these products because they're spending a lot of time collecting the experiences and trying to fix the actual problems. The tail is in the tape now for the next couple of years to see if all of that time and effort pays off with products that are significantly better than what you can get from HP and others. More than 50 AI researchers from 30 countries signed a letter expressing concern about a partnership between the Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology, a.k.a. CASTE, that's what we'll call it from now on, and Weapons Manufacturer Han Wa Systems. Shin Sung Shui, Sung Shul, pardon me, President of CASTE, said that the product is focused on, quote, efficient logistical systems, unmanned navigation and aviation training systems. The signatories of the letter said that they would discuss the response and the relationship between the institute and the manufacturer before lifting the boycott. Next week in Geneva, 123 member nations of the U.N. will discuss the challenges posed by the lethal autonomous weapons. In a related note, thousands of Google employees signed an open letter to CEO Soondar Prachai asking the company to stop working on Project MAVEN, which is an open-source project from the Department of Defense to integrate AI into combat operations. Whoo. Yeah, so there's a wave forming here, a different one than Justin talks about on his other show, of backlash against the use of AI. And I think we're seeing two variations of it. One is employees protesting because the military is involved at all, right? And generally DARPA gets a pass, you know, with DARPA Grand Challenge and stuff like that, but this is the Department of Defense, not DARPA. I think in the minds of a lot of nerds and geeks, there's a distinction between the two. And even though Google insists, all we're doing is image recognition tech that is open-source for anybody, so we're just helping the Department of Defense like we would help any other client. We are not providing anything that we know is related to killing people. There's a stigma being attached to this now. And then I think on the more traditional side is the Korean Advanced Institute of Science where you have researchers saying, hey, we are not cool with our research being used to support automated killing. And apparently in Korea, there's a Samsung robot patrolling the DMZ on the border between North and South Korea that is capable of autonomous weapon use but is not activated for that. Oh, man. Okay. My gun's not loaded. No, no, the gun's loaded. It's not turned on to be autonomous. It's only controlled by humans, but it could be adapted. It could do it if somebody wanted to. It's just they're not loaded. It's brains not loaded. Got it, got it. So this is a trend to keep an eye on, the idea of weaponized AI. And look, there is questions about AI in general, full stop, right? Like in how we're planning or how we evolve them when you fail-safe them, it is a serious, serious topic of conversation. After Facebook started requiring approval of all apps that request access to information like check-ins, likes, photos, posts, videos, events and groups, some popular apps started not working. So if you were doubting that Facebook really did it, try logging into Tinder yesterday. It'll prove that they actually changed some stuff. Tinder was giving some users a login loop that prevented them from accessing their dating profiles. Facebook told the Verge that indeed this was part of the changes that we announced today. We are working with Tinder to address the issue. The issue has now been resolved, but it sounds like Facebook just pulled the switch. They're like, we're not waiting. We're making you get approval to request that information. And if you didn't do it, your login ain't going to work. We don't care if you're Tinder. Think of all the dates that were ruined and perhaps lifelong partnerships. The sliding doors effect of this. Is there a president that will now not take office because their parents did not hook up on Tinder? Oh, gosh. The implications are, you know, they really are resounding. Yeah. How did you meet grandma? Well, it would have been on April 4th if it weren't for Cambridge Analytica. I met grandma because a date that I was trying to cancel didn't go through. That's the sliding doors aspect of this. This might have prevented a lot of really bad dates. Yeah. So they're a president of the high-tech office because they couldn't cancel the date. Not after all. Endurable self-esteem boost to dating world as Tinder unavailable. Yeah. I'm curious why Facebook and Tinder weren't able to work this out. It doesn't seem to have affected a lot of other apps. It doesn't care about anything other than getting the fire that has currently inflamed their posterior, like Yosemite Sam, out. They want it done. And right now, they are getting roasted. If you read some of the interviews with Zuckerberg and Sheryl Sandberg today, they are just getting pelted with rocks. And that's before Zuckerberg has to go before Congress. Why didn't it affect other apps then? Why did the other apps seem good? The issue is, I think, less that they did it, but more like you said, it is the... They're not stopping for anybody. They'd rather use your thing break and you have to deal with it. And they can deal with it afterward. They know that for every minute that they don't take action, a hypothetical number that somebody in Congress is going to ask them about goes up like the national debt clock of how many profiles have been affected. Sure. Yeah, I get that. Well, and there were other apps affected. Zuckerberg just happens to be an app that a lot, you know, many millions of people use and hooking into the Facebook API is a big part of it. Yeah. But just imagine Zuckerberg running up and down K Street. My biscuits are burning. Earlier this year, the $20 million Lunar X-Prize competition ended without a winner because Google opted not to extend its sponsorship of the competition beyond March 31. That was the deadline. Now, X-Prize has announced that the organization plans on continuing the competition just without a cash reward and hopes to find a new sponsor to cough up that green. Man, what a weird move by Google. Now that SpaceX is launching all these rockets and everything, they're like, oh, sorry. We're going to pull that $20 million sponsorship. Well, they didn't pull it. It expired, right? They said, we'll give you $20 million if you hit the deadline. Maybe they're just like, no, you didn't hit the deadline. Right. I mean, that was the competition. Headlines don't mean anything if we keep sponsoring. We're just like, never mind. Keep trying. They could move for them though. They got to be in there when it was bullish and now that it's far more likely to happen, they're like, sorry, little buddy. Well, it sounds like some of the sort of front runners in the competition were banking on, OK, well, if we get this done, we're going to get a lot of money. So the fact that nobody hit that deadline, it's like, well, OK, if you were sort of waiting for this money hoping that you were the winner and now the money isn't there anymore, what's your incentive to continue doing some of this research? So that's sort of the question, right? Getting to the moon, the bragging rights, thank you. Well, sure, sure. I'd like to star in the next Mission Impossible movie too, but I don't want to do it for free. Bragging rights. I'm not sure those are directly equivalent, but I'm not sure how to... That was the first thing I thought about. I don't know why. It's also a Mission Impossible, you know. Good to space. But $20 million is that I would like to know who might be the next sponsor of something like this. A lot of companies could be in the running. Google was an obvious one. Virgin Galactic just finally relaunched for the first time in three years after they had their fatality. Sure. You know, Richard Branson, cough up some dough. Get your name out there. Yeah, yeah. That's one thing he's in desperate need of is getting his name out there. Yeah, I know. Nobody does. He's the guy who runs Virgin Galactic in case any of that. Right. There is a labor shortage for warehouse and two robotics companies want to help warehouses. Warehouse robotics makers, six river systems, we've talked about on the show in the past, deployed more than 100 robots across more than 10 customer warehouses by the end of last year and expects to expand to have 600 robots in use at 30 sites this year. Six Revers founders, kind of interesting, are former executives at Kiva Systems, which Amazon bought in 2012, some other competitors. Six Revers flagship robot is known as Chuck. He, I think is a he designed to guide warehouse workers through their tasks rather than replace them all together. Probably sounds good to a lot of workers in warehouses. Also, Fetch Robotics announced two new modules for their virtual conveyor robot. Roller Top lets the robot offload a package itself onto a conveyor belt. Cart Connect has a couple of metal spikes for picking up and transporting carts. So in general, the warehouse robotics market is heating up. Yeah. And what I think a lot of people don't realize because all the robot talk is about them taking our jobs, right? Warehouses all, especially automated warehouses, is facing a labor shortage. They can't hire enough people. Now, you probably immediately have questions of, like, wait, I hear there aren't enough jobs, and now you tell me that warehouses can't hire enough people. It's always weird things in the economy, little quirks like that that happen. The idea here with both these robotics companies, those is not to replace people, but to ease that shortage and say, hey, let's do things that help people get the job done without replacing them. So the humans are still doing a lot of the sorting, a lot of the packaging. And then the robots, in Fetch's case, they just take it from one place to another. And in Six River Systems, they do a little more than that to do a little more guiding, but they're making the human workers more efficient. Yeah. Yeah, there's always one of those, there's always those stories, right? Where it's like, oh, if you, there was, I think it was a 60-minute story maybe two years ago that was some like, you know, Almond Farm or something where like they had just, like they cannot hire enough people for $100,000 a year. If you just show up, you'll get a job. I don't know. When it comes to this though, there's... Is that true? I mean, let's all go to the Almond Farm. Well, in some screwball part of the country, which is just going to expose my city. Greenville, Illinois, thanks a lot, man. I know, as soon as I know that, I know I'm going to be like, my town's Almond Farm, you don't... We don't have a lot of Almond Farms in Illinois, but I know what you're talking about. California though, quite a few. I think, I think... I also think it was positive it wasn't an Almond Farm. I think I was just trying to think of something silly. I think I would love to hear from someone, and I don't know, maybe Big Jim, who works in the logistics industry, has some insight into this, but anybody who works in warehousing that knows why there is a shortage when there is generally a feeling that there aren't enough jobs, right? And is it because people are over-qualified and they're like, yeah, I want a job, but not that job, because sometimes that happens in an economy. And I think it's fascinating to look at these stories, not because I'm trying to dismiss the idea of jobs being replaced, but the knee-jerk reaction isn't always reflective of reality. Well, and also, the thing with these jobs in all seriousness, are there, in a warehouse, you're location dependent, and many times, companies that have enough money to have robots, you know, going around their warehouse or building them in places that are fairly remote. And so, yeah, you have to decide this is a lifestyle decision that I am moving out to work in this warehouse. Verizon subsidiary Oath to be technical. Oath is, of course, the combination of Yahoo and AOL. So it's not called AOL anymore, anyway. Oath is selling movie phone. Yes, that movie phone. That'll be the name of the movie you'd like to sell. You just tell me the name of the movie you'd like to see. AOL and Yahoo are selling movie phone. Yes. AOL and Yahoo are selling movie phone to Helios and Matheson analytics. Now, you won't recognize them until I tell you who they are the majority owner of. Movie pass. Movie pass, of course, the hot new company that everyone thinks is going to fold because they're selling unlimited access to theater tickets that they have to pay full price for. Apparently, it's about a million dollars in cash and 2.55 million common shares and stock warrants worth a total of 14 million. Movie phone was founded back in 1989. AOL acquired it for 388 million in 1999. Helios and Matheson said the movie phone acquisition is going to help them build a content marketing strategy and advertising revenue platform for movie pass. Now, like I said, movie pass sells a monthly subscription where you can buy movie screenings and not even in participating theaters in approved theaters. The theater doesn't have to participate. Only movie pass has to say, we put it on a map. So not every theater is in their system, but they decide to AMC Chagrin who they are going to put in the system. And then the way it works is they approve a credit card purchase that you then go up to the counter and buy. Now, they recently approved a partnership with Landmark Theater to be at the theater, but the upshot of it is for 6.95 a month right now, you can see as many movies as you want in lots of places. So this part of the strategy is to say, oh, you know who one of our competitors would be is Fandango. And I don't get to do this as much as I used to anymore, but my wife works for Fandango, so let me disclose that. Fandango selling tickets and providing trailers and a content front end. The movie pass doesn't have that front end that Fandango has with movie phone they do. So I think this is a very smart move for movie pass to say, hey, we're going to be your destination for everything you need to know about movies. Well, and dial it back just a little bit to the first thing you said. Movie phone is the service that everybody thinks is going to fold. So the idea that they are buying a can of Coke let alone a million dollar purchase for a brand that people would be hard pressed to know what movie phones relevance is in 2018 is a purchase of a legacy brand that people are aware of is something that is very, very, very interesting. And I got to say, man, movie pass got me out of the house to go see Death of Stalin this weekend because I knew I could and it was basically free and all I had to do was get my butt up to the theater in North Oakland. So it's a it's very, very interesting to see where their next play is. But obviously, I think this purchase to me says they need to evangelize. They need to go out and spread the word on this and this content acquisition is about making people more aware of the peculiar bargain that is movie pass to put it in 1999 terms, we can't tell right now if movie passes pets.com or Amazon.com Sure. Yeah. Oh, no, totally. The way that it was described to me was this is an amazing service. Get it now because you have no idea if it's going to be there tomorrow. Hey, folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, be sure to subscribe. But to daily tech headlines, it's just a few minutes and you keep up on everything. That's why we do it. It's me and Sarah most of the time. Rich Fravolino popping it every so often Monday through Friday with all your tech headlines. So get it on your Amazon echo as a flash briefing, the Google Home anchor app or at dailytechheadlines.com Let's check in with the mail bag, Sarah. Let's do it. We got a lot of feedback from our main topic yesterday that Tom and Roger and I kicked around with a Scott Johnson, which was the YouTube shooting was not not a great topic, but a very important one. John says with the events at YouTube and the reactions to the recent policy changes around gun videos on the platform, something occurred to me. When, if ever, does a platform become a public service? And if never, like I believe what causes the user base to feel that it has? We sometimes forget that free speech tends to only apply to public property. It's interesting to see so many people feel personally slighted or attacked or censored because of decisions made by a public company with shareholders. I find it fascinating that in times past threats or anger, not driven by perceived personal attacks, but more broader disagreements, new stations or anchors would be threatened. That's something that Tom mentioned yesterday in our discussion. This is not why people are so entitled as an email or a question. John says, while I feel that YouTube is a public company and as users you can either go along with it or move along to something else. There is clearly a fair amount of users on the platform that have a strong relationship with it and feel otherwise. Yeah, man. John hits on something I think which shows a self-awareness that a lot of people don't take the time to think about, which is I feel and I'm actually like John. I feel like YouTube's a company and if they do something that angers me, like demonetizing my channel, I can get angry about it, but my actions are to just find another solution. Either put up with it because it's still the best one or find something else to do. Not everybody feels that way and people, even if they shouldn't feel that a private company is theirs or is some kind of public platform, like what do you call it, a public service, people do. It happens over and over and over in history. This is a really fair question of when something gets big enough that people feel that it owes them something, an effective argument isn't to say you're wrong, people. It doesn't owe you anything, but I don't know what the effective argument is. Here's what's fascinating about this question is that really we're looking at the philosophical idea of a public utility as opposed to how we've regulated them in the past, which is usually defined by the scarcity of a gigantic build or the ability for a government be it federal, state or local to regulate it. So that's why telephones or cable or electricity, these all require big buildouts that you don't want too many of and so your state, city or federal government will regulate it. Here, when the internet is ubiquitous and everybody can get it and you're building a service on top of something else that's already regulated, then where is the philosophical idea of I can't get around this? And that's very, very, very, very interesting because as of now it's not like your city or state or federal government can say no, no, no, these bits are an eyesore or these bits are going to cost the city too much to clean up if a hurricane knocks them down. Yeah. I have more to say on this, but this is a topic that's going to recur I feel like. So we'll keep this conversation going over on the subreddit perhaps. Submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and of course facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show. Thank you to Justin Robert Young as always for joining us. It's Thursday and it's Justin Day. Justin, what's been going on since last Thursday when we saw you last? Man, well I did another episode of Politics, Politics, Politics and everybody can go ahead and check that out at politicspoliticspolitics.com we you know it's, I don't even want to say the name of the show because it was kind of reballed, but you can go ahead if you like it and a reverent take on politics and a little bit of me singing then go ahead and check out the Politics, Politics, Politics show and Sarah, I'm just going to let you know. Yeah. Breaking loose. You said Thursday is Justin Day. Well, guess what? What? Back on Monday. How about that? Hey! All right. And we posted this on Patreon I've repeated it a few other places but we'll put it right here at the end of the show. If you've been missing Veronica Belmont on Mondays she sadly just couldn't resolve the conflict between the day job and being on the show live. 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Get more at frogpants.com I'm in the club I hope you have enjoyed this program I mean literally you're on the show every day Justin I sure have done it I'm in the club I hope you have enjoyed this program I'm growlin' Brian's giggling Sounds like a country song My mom growlin' Brian's giggling everyone Giggling Good show Good show everybody Hey Hey Roger you're so crunchy still I'm still crunchy Yeah, a little crunchy crunch Yeah, like a granola Which normally I like I mean smooth peanut butter people way inferior to crunchy peanut butter people Preach it sister listen if you already got the jelly on it too jelly smooth you need a little lightning to the thunder I feel very strongly about this it's an evolutionary you know it separates the top from the mid like why would you like smooth peanut butter I know I've talked about it on our post show before but Sarah I'm not sure if I've talked about it while you were here about how my mother suppressed crunchy peanut butter from my life Like suppressed it from your knowledge I wanted crunchy peanut butter and she would never buy it she always bought smooth Did she like gaslight you and say that it didn't exist No no she didn't You're crazy There's no such thing You know the IGA and I would be like oh get the crunchy and my mom would be like no nobody likes the crunchy I'm like I like the crunchy like your sister There was a little gaslight because I'd asked my sister like do you not like crunchies like crunchies fine why did mom say that I don't mind crunchy I mean listen peanut butter is delicious either way but if you're eating a peanut butter sandwich and there's no crunch I feel I feel as though I've been cheated I've seen fun Rank some peanut butter sandwich like allies like are we doing like jelly obviously number one a number one top of the list Oh right so first of all like to like I'm just going to go ahead and because I have a lot of thoughts about this okay jelly is also inferior to jam I will jam above jelly crunchy above no I mean aside from the aside from the dirty joke I don't know the difference between jelly and jam still has pieces of the fruit in it and it's also just not like gelatinous the way jelly is jelly is just like gelatin with like when you yeah jam is I don't know my mother my mom's watching this show I know mom used to bake her own jam it was really good which are the whole the preserves of the whole fruit and then you work your way down jelly preserves are different than jam though which is different true but they are often also served alongside at breakfast do we have a title oh yes uh I don't like war AI I don't like war or an oath to sell movie phone I I need a tiebreaker because I kind of like both those um Sarah, Justin I like the oath to sell movie yeah I just owe this guy the funniest name got it it's always funny that oath that they took two so like such recognizable names oath this it just sounds like uh uh either a bible camp or uh you know like really sturdy boots it's a good name for either one of those right yeah bible camp like oh yeah okay that's it sounds great or my oath boots you know they never let me down well when you're out on the on the prairie make sure you've taken the oath it actually sounds halfway between life insurance and like a high fiber product oh no it sounds like a blockchain you know I don't know have you taken the oath life insurance polish hey how do I access my wallet and yeah who doesn't even support oauth anymore uh no that would be oath life insurance maybe one like super late night 24 hour news channel like two old women like I don't want to leave a real mess behind when I go that's why I well you know why because it reminds me of colonial what was the colonial pen the other that's it that's what that was the one that I was thinking it was just like the two old like like uh like there's like like calmly just sitting down like having a scone discussing like it's just so weird like I don't like discussing it but you know when the time comes someone's gonna have to pay for my funeral the services and then making sure my estate quote-unquote all the crap I have in my house is taking care of well Roger you should take the oath you are a jelly jelly is a clear fruit spread made from cooked fruit juice and sugar uh jam is a thick spread made from fruit juice chopped and crushed and pureed fruit and sugar fruit there's fruit in it curves are another thick uh fruit spread made from fruit cooked with sugar but in this case large pieces of fruit or whole fruit are suspended and then I think marmalade is a subset of what were they suspended for uh uh turn wearing that hat warned you not to I'm just saying I will I will use grape jelly and a peanut butter or jelly sandwich in a pinch but actually what I want is blackberry jam and crunchy peanut butter all right well what about bananas we got banana and peanut butter you know I've never tried that I'm down with that so good real good real good all right what about if you're mixing kind of sweet and savory you're gonna throw some bacon on that no nope absolutely I would never do that I would rather die that's half of Chinese cooking sweet and savory what about what about a nice little slice of deli meat a little little prosciutto with peanut butter depends on the peanut butter has to be kind of an organic less sweet peanut butter I would prefer peanut butter with a big slice of grilled chicken breast chicken and peanut butter what well you've never had like a chicken satay from a Thai restaurant in the peanut sauce I although there's a reason there's a reason why I don't they actually all she ever wants to do is get Thai whenever we're talking about takeout the joke is that she's got to work the conversation back to Thai food because it's the easiest one to do vegan but I could never I never know what to order and I usually wind up getting that chicken satay I'm gonna be honest with you Roger I've yet to have one that knocked my socks clean off you might have the wrong taste buds you might have just been born with a genetic deficiency for awesomeness when you guys were kids might just be just me not sure I never had peanut butter and jam sandwiches until I got a little bit older but I had peanut butter and honey sandwiches oh that's decadent I don't know if I've ever no one's ever been like this needs to be sweeter and because even as a 35 year old man I'm an insufferable motor mouth and you can imagine when I was a kid the idea of keeping sugar away from me was a high priority I'm telling you peanut butter and honey that is a good combo I probably would have done it would have just been like the test also in that vein if you got a pancake and you're like I'm out of syrup what do I do a little peanut butter and honey on that pancake man you want to know what I would speaking of sugar my move I kind of I never like syrup it's butter and sugar for me on a pancake 100% oh yeah I would do that ever since they started doing that fruit compote and I hopped decades ago if I don't have syrup I just put like a big helping of fruit on top now what I want to do is have a big breakfast that's all good I hop and just like a pancake belly and take like naps in like one hour there's so many better places for pancakes though yeah that's not what's the place in LA the famous pancake place with the gigantic pancakes oh a rascals chicken and waffles oh that's the thing I don't like waffles I only like pancakes oh whoa whoa waffles have ridges that don't need to be there I want a nice scoop no there's a waffle place in Alameda that changed my mind about waffles because it's the big Belgian waffles that I don't like so much because of the ridges you get a nice thin savory waffle with some syrup on it a savory waffle almost almost it's sweet and savory both might be the griddle must be the griddle I bake it on the griddle that just kind of works its way into the waffle have y'all never been to the griddle I have been to the griddle it's great yeah griddle is there's one the last oh no I'm thinking of the iron griddle I don't know if they're related at all there's an iron griddle in Los Gatos that has this cinnamon roll that will kill you from happiness this is in L.A. okay so oh oh it's the name of a restaurant in L.A. okay in West Hollywood I don't think I've been there though a friend of mine took me there a while ago gigantic pancake but they're pretty good but they're very good they're not just like novelty gigantic laughs don't be fooled when you go there they're gonna be like oh do you want like the short stack or the tall stack this is a scam you literally just get the smallest stack they have because every one of their pancakes are about the size of a manhole cutter they're delicious but if you're like oh no I need the tall stack because I'm a real man foolish you're gonna wind up throwing away half that stack I a good pancake waffle or whatever pancake place needs to offer cornmeal pancakes I love cornmeal love cornmeal or oats cornmeal pancake is okay I'm not a big fan to be honest that's why I feel this way another man whose taste buds probably defy well Justin you're still in the Bay Area there's a place in San Francisco called Kate's Kitchen it's in the heat in the upper heat no it's in the lower heat amazing cornmeal pancakes just the best alright so Justin have you been to Olies in Alameda I've not no alright so in exchange for the griddle yeah I will I will recommend Olies Waffle Shop it's right on the main drag there on Park Street in Alameda been there forever the greatest waffles I've ever had this might be called the South Shore Cafe now what the griddle no Olies there's a Miss Olies but it's Jamaican food Olies Waffle Shop 1507 Park Street 1507 I'm trying to look on Yo O-L-E Apostrophe S that might be your I didn't spell it oh gotcha in San Francisco they used to have great breakfast was just for you the one right across the street from Revision 3 oh yeah is it still there I used to love just for you but that Salvadorian slash Mexican place the burritos and stuff that place closed oh it did by the way on Yelp ask the community for Olies does Olies serve real maple syrup I'll bring my own if they have that goopy sludge pancake syrup I haven't been to Olies in years so I can't remember it answer seven months ago yo they got the real thing homie that great bee nice and then there's Dupars in the farmers market in LA where we had our December DTNS meeting and we all had the pancakes there and none of us ordered them and they're really good we all did not have the pancakes there we all said we had had them before I had never been there before oh you hadn't okay I thought we all three had said that I think what happened was the two of you were like the pancakes are really good and I was like that's what I want too for sure and then all three of us at the at the moment what would you like I was like can I have a vegan omelette please with extra avocado I don't know I wanted pancakes I don't know what happened how do you make a vegan omelette I mean what's I'm kidding I basically in the moment I panicked and did not order the pancakes that I thought I wanted the entire time if you find yourself in Bayview go to Auntie April's they do good fried chicken pancakes see now I'm gonna unpopular opinion when it comes to chicken and waffles, chicken and pancakes just I'm a never the twain shall meet kind of man I love I'll eat both but I don't need them together so I'll order it and then I'll immediately separate it well so what's the place on grand been there for years now oh um downtown Oakland yeah I know what you're talking about wait on grand or in jack london on grand on grand and right across from that condo place not jack london it's on the no like I've been to it like jack waffles place in jack london no no it's not a chicken and waffles place it's just a bar and does brunch on the weekends bar is it Lucas yes Lucas serves chicken and waffles exactly like you like them yes they used to because they separate them they separate them no yeah I'm down with that I love Lucas also great catfish I got a catfish that I like over there I miss good fried catfish I realize sometimes our post show is like an instagram photo of a food I get it it's because we're hungry but then so alienating if you don't live in either los angeles or the bay area like it's just okay so send us your local favorite pancake omelet and or chicken it was always my great frustration before I moved out here that all my favorite shows would just constantly talk about all the cool things that happened in the area it sometimes la and it took me probably about five minutes before I immediately turned all of my podcast into exactly that yeah well that's how you get people stuff out here oh by the way crap I should have plugged it on the show although I don't know if people will get it but if you're in the bay area come on out to piano fight tonight no because I'm going to be a guest or competitor on Rebecca Watson's Quizatron where I'll be matching wits with a recently added Adam Savage of Myth Buster's Wow I'm going to mop the floor with him Adam Savage he's a great guy really thought you were going to say Adam Sandler for a second there oh man no I'd be nervous Adam Savage I'm excited I mean he's I don't know if I ever met him but he's like friends of friends of friends yeah yeah he used to frequent that tad gear down on the corner of the revision 3 building he used to be there and I guess David Prager ran into him one time by the middle one you said half that sentence oh I'm sorry I said that he used to frequent that tad gear clothing store on the side of the building that revision 3 is in and then David Prager ran into him and I think that's how he invited him on to the show one of our shows I know he had made it I know they made it to Texel for one episode that was a real was a real weird thing not the thing that we did just getting him on it was I was solicited by their manager Adam and Jamie that's always people are weird with that it was weird because I got in trouble with Discovery the parent company our parent company Stod still has me scratching my head he should be good, should be fun should ask him about pancakes versus waffles and I don't even like pancakes if the regular pancakes the ones where they cook it so the edges are a little crispy yeah I don't know no crispy pancakes all of them fluffy and doughy they would be crispy on the outside but the inside is still fluffy I don't want crispy at all I want it all soft and doughy you're out way to crepe no crepes totally different let's take this to audio for the thanks everybody for watching see you tomorrow