 Yeah, tell their network. So let's move on to our next question. This comes from let's see here, which one did I finish with last time? I think this comes from Anthony Rizzi, okay He asks, do you honestly think that Zelda being delayed again to 2017 some time is Going to help or hurt the franchise the NX and Wii U sales and Nintendo's overall reputation So we did cover I'd say a little bit Of this in a prior question, but this is very pointed This is like health of the franchise health of the NX and the Wii U and then health of Nintendo So yeah, what do you guys got? It's gonna hurt the Wii U. It's gonna help the NX and I Well, I don't know the Wii U can be hurt anymore. Well, that's true. It's already dead. I mean I Like I hate here's the thing like Nintendo Supported the Wii U pretty well considering its sales So like I know it sucks as a Wii U and like if you recently bought one like last six months I know this sucks like knowing that the death is this is it you're you're getting your Paper Mario Color Splash and probably nothing else Hey, you got a you got Xenoblade Chronicles on the virtual console yesterday, so Well, yeah, but that's not I spent already put your Wii you can already put your Wii disk in and play I spent a lot of money on that Wii disk I'm gonna use it No, no go on what do you think? As far as Nintendo's reputation I think it can only help it being on the NX because if it's a launch title Then obviously it's gonna be in the headlines, you know and X launches with these launch titles Um, I think only good come out of this because if it's delayed a bit more that means more polishing can be done More plans can be made about advertising Strategies and whatnot. I think it can only be beneficial. I am not one who gets super mad about delays I am willing to look at the positive side of them and that's really all I got I think it's a good thing It's the glass half full mentality. I like it. What do you got good? I would say The problem isn't the delays the delays are an inconvenience in the immediate sense because I want to play this game Why can't I play this game next year? That's the issue, but the the slight problem maybe long term I don't really know you could turn it around is a lack of reliability from Nintendo because you have to think that there were plans To do something with this Zelda game I mean if we had the trailer in 2014 it was can come out in 2015 fine That's great. You've got to have some kind of time scale to that That's you have to have a vague idea that you can get out in 2015 You wanted more time to do extra things of it. You bumped it back to 2016 that's also fine because you're gonna you know add more features give it more bug testing. That's that's good But at what point did they know when they delayed it from 2015 to 16 that they were Gonna have to delay it again So that it lines up with the NX did they have a decision at some point where they said, you know The NX needs a good, you know kick up the backside to get off the get off the starting line with a bit of momentum Let's make sure that it releases with Zelda Wii U NX whatever you want to call it So it's kind of they make a lot of decisions and not all of them are agreeable in the end We can only really say if they're good or bad decisions in like a year's time when we played a bit of Zelda Wii U NX or what I keep calling it Zelda Wii U. I shouldn't but that's what I was used to for so long It's you gotta play the game and digest it and say what were the delays? Necessary did they benefit the game and if it does that's fine the problem is at the moment the delays are just delays which are currently unexplained so It's just hey, you know this really you know this thing You're really looking forward to which you've put aside all other games. You've cleared your desk You say I want to play this game. It's gonna come out next year. We've delayed it We haven't said why but we've delayed it into you know It's it could be good, but we don't know and that's the problem. We have no information That's the heart for theme with this video. We don't know a thing. No We know nothing more information, please. That should be the title of this video be Zelda inquiries. We know nothing That would be fantastic so Okay, so the I love the points you're making like you know We won't know if it's worth it until we play it even if we play it We don't know if it's worth it because we don't know What state the game was in for all we know the game is done right now. Yeah, and they're just sitting on it So that's the thing like we we don't know if the extra times actually helping the game Because we have no development history At this point we we will probably eventually get some development history down the line But you know if it's simply we have it done and we're waiting for an extra release to help boost and ex sales That's something they're not gonna want to go public for a long long long time Because that's gonna create some negative press Especially for people who own a Wii U. It's gonna make them even more jaded than they probably already feel right now so When I think about you know whether or not any of this is a positive and a negative To me it's not even about the quality of the game because I think quality of the game always comes above everything else We all want the best possible is all the game we can get and For the most part most of us are willing to wait as long as it takes to get it You know, I would hate to think we have to wait like 15 years for a game But if that's all it takes to make the perfect Zelda game, I'd rather that happen but The problem we have here is there are some people who right now you're never going to win back Without doing a lot of things right moving forward There are a lot of people Especially now that Zelda Wii U has been confirmed to be an annex title has been delayed again presumably for the annex launch and That the annex is coming Out at a time that cuts the Wii U's life cycle Shorter than every other home console before it And on top of that that the Wii U's so far the only Wii U title We have coming out in the second half of 2016 that has gotten any sort of pub from anywhere is The new Paper Mario Color Splash game which people already really weren't that excited about Not that people can't get to say about Paper Mario games It's just they keep making the sort of Paper Mario games that people aren't asking even if it wasn't amazing Paper Mario game It's being made for the Wii U It's Paper Mario Mean, it's not a major like that's like a title you release like between major titles It's not like that's our holiday title. Have a good day Mazelby Mario tennis all over Okay, it's probably better than Mario tennis it's probably better than the new Mario tennis But you know what I'm saying like it's just not a title you make as your flagship holiday Go to it for a second. It's not a strong. It's not a strong No, I mean, I would rather see a launch a brand new IP like Launch a new IP that's unproven and waste it on the Wii U Well not at this point yet, I mean last year made like Splatoon last year made yeah, but this year now You know, but now now, you know, you wouldn't release a new IP now Unless it's that project guard Robot, what no project robot project guard already came out with Star Fox so project robot That's still TBD Please don't be like a really crappy launch game It just okay for those who don't know anything what product robot just type it into a Google and watch some of the gameplay demos of it. It's terrible It's awful. It looks like a terrible concept for a game It it's been a long time since we've seen it So I'm sure it went through a lot of polish But at least like project guard that turned into that I own it. What is it? What do they call it now? Yeah, okay at least that game showed promise and people like actually enjoyed that demo if people people enjoyed the demo for and The actual final product isn't that much different than the demo outside of the fact that it's themed the Star Fox But people already liked that people did not like project robots. So like I don't know why that's even still in development Why that? I mean, why can't it be like the? What is it the? Vitality sensor just forget it exists and don't mention it again Like go go into the catacombs of all of the dead Nintendo ideas that never made it to When you when you interviewed AJ and Luma, just tell him to tell Kimishima to just never talk about it again No, I'll be like the Ajay Noma. So since guard got shoehorned into Star Fox, please tell me a project robot hasn't been shoehorned into No Let me see we guess the final battle is a giant mech battle where we have to use the gyro sensors So Bringing this back around I think we're kind of in no in no man's land right now The Wii U has a terrible reputation as is And I know if you're among certain communities You might be among people that absolutely love the Wii you think it's fantastic and you're upset that it's ending soon But you need to get outside of that community and see that there's a lot of people happy The Wii U is ending because they had no interest in the Wii U in the first place The Wii U is not a very popular system and has a terrible reputation Outside of people who already own the Wii U and there's people who own the Wii U who do not like it Any podcast that is not directly about Nintendo pretty much has nothing good to say about the Wii U and that sucks I Think the most positive thing I've seen them say is that oh, hey, they launched a new IP that wasn't terrible and that was Obviously, there's some people that really like Super Mario maker and stuff like that, but in general They're not that high on the Wii U itself So the potential for the future reputation of Nintendo can only really be going up because I think it's at almost at an all-time low In terms of public reception it's a little really what I remember we Yeah, like they went from the Wii where they were like an all-time high with families and kids and everything So now it's like you say we you around anybody and they're like is that just like a new like game for the Wii Like they just don't even know what a casual and that's it's a very expensive Well as an example I work with Elementary kids. Yeah, I watched 30 elementary kids in an after-school program and I've mentioned that we use several times I've brought it in and there's kids that still think that it's just like an add-on to the Wii Like they don't it wasn't marketed well It has a terrible name the hardware really isn't that great The gamepad you not even the kids that I handed it to like to using it all of them would rather use the Wiimotes or Use one of the standard controllers So it's just it wasn't appealing and this is the kids and like Nintendo always tries to bring in like a new generation of gamers And they always aim for the kids and these kids don't like it Oddly enough there were there are three kids that actually own a Wii U I know because I have them all on my friends list and we play Splatoon together. Yes. I'm a weird guy who plays Splatoon with That's fantastic. That is what you want to do as a teacher man. That's how you keep your job That's how I keep an eye on them. Oh, I know why you're tired today because I kicked your butt in Splatoon Why's your homework not done I know you had time to play anyways No, so It's one of those that Nintendo is Kind of at a point now where if you ask most people who don't own a Wii U Anything about Nintendo then really what isn't that that we think I own that haven't touched in years or that I sold in a garage sale or on eBay Nintendo is almost like a non-existent brand and That sucks And I know people say oh with a 3ds. That's a very strong brand a 3ds is Nintendo's worst-selling handheld of all time so Yes, it has almost 60 million in sales and yes, that's 22 million less Sales than their other worst-selling handheld. So they are Not going to get that extra 20 plus million to catch up So it is gonna probably end as their worst-selling handle Some of that is just people like smartphones and all the kids I I'm around anyways and a lot of the adults I'll have their phones or they'll have tablets So it's just you know, they got to find a way to appeal to that and fight against it but You know the NX is kind of an ability for Nintendo to Do exactly what they said they're going to do and the NX is not a Wii U replacement. It is not a 3ds replacement It's a total rebranding of what they're doing The Wii and DS eras are done. They're in the past. Nintendo did what they felt they could do with it So now it's a new era with new technology and they're hoping to Make it highly desirable up the gate I mentioned this earlier to Darren and we posted about it as all informer they wanted the translations from what President said Kimashima said At the recent meeting was that they were going to talk about the specs and about all this other stuff What NX that Nintendo has not talked about with their consoles since like the N64 So like it kind of kind of told me that Nintendo is Learning from what like competitors did like guess what you want to get that 40 million plus crowd that PlayStation pulled in Okay, well they've done that so far with specs and pricing Because they haven't done it with game Get people excited early on and I'm not saying that like like I'm not trying to say oh if you're in a PlayStation 4 you're terrible Like oh, I bet you most of the games you own for your PlayStation 4 on multi platform They got you suckered in by giving you a price that was lower than the competition with better specs And they proudly announced that in 2013 and everyone is one of the PlayStation 4 ever since so like if Say like this E3 the PlayStation 4k comes out and does this thing you know They talked about that say an Xbox 1.5 gets announced and then all of a sudden the NX like a month later They hit with the press console like look those consoles. You don't want to we got 16 gigs of DDR4 We've got a processor that is like like 12 cores or something And we have a GPU that's on the level of a Titan X and we're packaging all of this into a $400 box And that's gonna mean that's 4k gaming at a $400 box They I mean that would That there's no one out there that can just probably be say they got hyped about the PlayStation 4 I can't say oh my god, we're hyped about the NX you like cannot not be hyper about it If that was why you got so like if Nintendo goes after that crowd Then they are really resetting the reputation and resetting what they do as a company and I think If you look at what they've been doing with mobile They just announced a fire emblem and like an animal crossing or something like that some sort of thing going on with mobile for the next games I Think that Nintendo might be recognizing that if they want to make those casual games and have mass success They need to make them for phones and then if they want to have successful hardware They need to make dedicated gaming hardware for people who actually care about buying dedicated gaming hardware And the people that care about buying dedicated gaming hardware are people like us they're enthusiasts We love video games for video games, and we will buy your hardware if it's appealing and if it has the games We want to play on it and a lot of casual people aren't into that They're not into buying dedicated video game boxes They want to buy if they're gonna play video games It's gonna be on a machine that does more than just that like they didn't buy it to play video games Because even when I think about the PlayStation 4 and how successful it is I don't know any like soccer mom. I hate using that term, but like any soccer mom that owns the PlayStation 4 Everyone that I know that owns one are people that like are big gaming enthusiasts And I'm thinking that if Nintendo like they do this new committee restructuring And all this stuff to like respond to industry trends faster. The NX could be a direct response of that Look we screwed up The Wii U that should have been the we HD in 2010 But because we didn't have the right structure in place We reacted way too late and then other consoles came out and basically ate us for lunch So like I'm hoping that Nintendo learned from all that and the NX gives them that positive boost into Being a leading tech and a leading software company again That's my hope so like I think it's everything we don't know because we know nothing right now It's all speculation. What my hopes and dreams I Think that the Nintendo's reputation is just so low right now that it can't really go anywhere Did you just say hopes and dreams? That's an undertale reference Tell everyone of course you had to say it I was hoping I was hoping it would just be an Easter egg You wouldn't mention it loud Anyways, I know I should I should I like gave you a virtual wink online. It went when don't say anything No, so it's it's one of those things that I think I Just think the Nintendo's reputation just terrible right now Yeah, and I think if you hate Nintendo now like if you hate that's all the use going to NX You hate that NX is coming out next year I don't think there's anything Nintendo can do to make you feel good the NX could be this amazing $1,500 gaming PC and they could be selling it to you for 200 bucks and you still would be pissed at Nintendo Because the Wii U didn't get its exclusive Zelda game and The Wii U could have still had games made for it and blah blah blah blah whatever reason you need to tell yourself if that's you What Nintendo does it's for you and honestly, I hate saying this. I don't think Nintendo cares about you I think it's I think it's like a mutual thing when Nintendo's like look we sold 12.8 million. That's great We want to sell 60 million. We don't care about the 12.8. Yes, girl. I was here too Well That's a like like oh they should care because that's a dwindling audience. That's all Nintendo has left I'm like no Nintendo can get More audience they just have to change their strategy And that's what I hope they're doing with NX. I hope they've learned their lesson And they're like look we we have to recognize who the consumers are that want gaming hardware Not who we think we want to make want gaming hardware because Casuals are not going to buy gaming enthusiast hardware. I know it worked with the Wii But the Wii was gaming on a budget and now gaming on a budget is done on phones Zelda inquiries the one where Nate talks about the NX for an hour Absolutely like 15 minutes as soon as you Sort of as well as soon as you kind of give in and say oh we got loads of Hard hardcore audience hardcore and what's it was going to say really obsessed fans as long as you as soon as you Uh give up and just say oh we got you know 12 15 million of people who really like nintendo and will buy anything we make as soon as you Only settle for that and say yeah, that's good. You can give up You can just you can you know not coming to work the next morning because you got to go bigger You can always go big and nintendo is a huge company. You can branch out You should aim to release a console which will do exactly that and I feel with the Wii U You know going with various points why it was bad was But no games the problem was the Wii family console kind of a casual console It's a very easy thing to pick up and play. That's brilliant. That's that's a market It's a different market to the ps3 and the xbox 360. It's a completely different Uh a competition that they're they're doing a different event. They're getting gold medals and other things Why am I making this a little not sure but it worked. It was very good The problem was i'm not sure why but they they their heads were turned to sort of hey Maybe we should care about hardware specs, but they didn't go far enough Hopefully with the nx. So I would go back to the family thing because there's always families that want to play games Or they'll go for the full, you know crazy spec hardware because the Wii U is like it's kind of like a casual thing But you know it's kind of trying to do hardware I don't know what is the Wii U? What is that console? I don't know. I don't know what it is Well the thing is I don't think I don't think they can go back To making like a family-friendly system That's cheap and easy to understand Uh because what's cheap and easy to understand is the phone you already have in the pocket That did not exist back when the Wii launched Like the Wii's popularity like you know It kind of you know it spiked in 2008 still was really good in 2010 and started to sink after that Well, what was getting really popular around 2009 and 2010 smart devices Um, and I'm not saying there's a lot of factors Nintendo wasn't making as many games and the Wii U was in development Blah blah blah whatever. I mean there's a lot of factors you can throw into that But the Wii I mean it's still 100 million units. So it's hard to ever call it anodic success It's just people started moving on from it as they got other devices that let them play games also in an easy way But do other things and that's that was my point. I don't think Nintendo can go back I don't think there's a market for for what the Wii did anymore or what the DS did I would say those markets are and I think Nintendo recognizes it. They're making mobile games for a reason You know and and these next two apps Kimashima specifically said these next two apps are games So they're not like me tomo like they're actual games. So it's like Okay, well, Nintendo gets it if they want to go to that market They have to make them their phones If they want to also do that and stay in the hardware market Then you have to go after the people that want that hardware and it's not I just don't think there's an audience for our family anymore. I think they need to They they need to they need to look at PlayStation 4 and Xbox to be like look we see what you did We learned from what you did. Well learned from what you did bad And we're you learned from what we did wrong And we have all these awesome IPs and we're gonna come back firing And I think it's the only hope they have I forget what was the question because if they tried to go family again, I think I think the annex. I mean, I'll own one but I might be I might be one of like eight million That'll be pretty bad because I'm that big of a I'm that big of a nintendo fan that I'll own it anyways I'm part of the problem. You are. You're the entire problem. I I'm the problem. I'd say the With the handheld games and the casual games you put them on the phones That's fine You put the the hardcore the high specs the big series the the big zelda games the big mario games the smash pros You put that on the nx with ridiculous graphics and ridiculous ridiculous processing power. That is the way to do it I think me tomo Is fascinating because that is that is not a game that is that's an application which I've struggled to find the functionality for But it's it's a kind of thing that They are really proud of the fact that they've got is it 10 million downloads, whatever it is recently They are really proud of that. They are so proud of that. The reason why is because they I don't know if you know There must have been a conversation at nintendo where they said hey There's like a there's a market on on the iphone on android We can we you know there's stuff to be done there And you know like really is there really we'll put out into the non nintendo We'll put out me tomo as like a test to see if there are fans of nintendo who own these smartphones and the fact that it's come back with 10 million of a game which is Of me tomo's weird, but it's not a it's not really a it's not a game at all But the fact there's 10 million of people who would buy it was free the 10 10 million people who would download this It means that there is scope and possibility for you know You release an amour crossing game on the phone people will pick that up because there's 10 million who bought me tomo And that's not even a game. So there's clearly interest there. And if you just there's a lot of uh I don't argue. There's also a lot of like nintendo handheld games that would work just fine on a phone Yeah, I don't think there'd be like restrictions because there's no buttons I mean you could you could definitely get around it just design it around the fact that it's a phone There you go. Well any turn like any turn based game they have Would work just fine on a phone. I mean you see fire emblem Yeah, if you see like final fantasy 6 on you know tablet and that works fine So just do more of that but with modern games and you know better graphics and that sort of thing It will be fine. There shouldn't be a problem here. I don't even remember what the question was What was the question? Well the question was about nintendo's reputation But nintendo's reputation for the nx wii and zelma and You know, I talked a lot about the nx. I think the nx is kind of their saving grace. That's We don't know like this whole episode's about what stuff we do not know. We do not know anything with nx anything We are all captain the dark but That could be a very good thing if they are seriously considering redoing what what they do as a company and nx to me right now represents their hope like my hope nintendo's hope For creating a more different but more positive future for gaming hardware if they're going to stay in the gaming hardware game and then for zelda I don't even know what what to say I know that a lot of fans are upset that it's on we you and nx some are understanding Some are happy because they never wanted to buy we you anyways and they'd rather buy new hardware that has more promise so the so we hope but it's zelda's in that weird place as I said Way earlier that if it doesn't sell well and there's a potential it might not sell well That I mean, I don't know if it's a reputation of the series that's in trouble um But maybe because they've they've done the marking so weird with this game like why are we Why was it announced in 2014 and we are basically waiting two years? But for us to get new information That's it's just weird Weird if you were to pitch that to someone as an idea that is a terrible idea Oh, hey, dude, I got the sick game everyone wants it. It's a hot. It's a big brand name. It's called uncharted five We're gonna announce it at this year's e3 then not talk about it until 2018 What do you think what do you think? Oh, it's beautiful I'm gonna invest to have all my money. That's that's 10 million copies. So that's beautiful But Look, that's what I don't get like if anything, um, nintendo has a lot of marketing I'm hoping that like this new committee with like regi fiza may now on it Even though I'd argue nintendo america hasn't done a very good job with marketing Uh, I don't know how much of that is an oa's problem Or if it's that japan just told them too bad so sad you're not getting a budget to market um I think i'm hoping that with like regi fiza may who he's at least when he does public appearances He does a really good job of marketing That with this new committee, they learn How to market properly? And really hit on the audiences that they're trying to go after and This whole no information was all the youth for two years is I think certainly hurt the reputation of The game it's made some people worried about the game. Why hasn't it been shown? Is there something wrong with this game? Um, didn't nintendo get too ambitious and they just can't do it and all we're going to get is Um, a game that they put all this time into but they never got quite right But they're releasing it because they spent all this money on it and they just need to get it off the door Uh, because if we remember skyward sword has been said multiple times It started out as a game they wanted to be open world and it didn't end that way Um, now, obviously zilda u has even bigger foundation in open world So I highly doubt it's not going to end that way. Well, what if it does what if it ends in a way where Yeah, we've been presenting this whole world, but too bad. It's all walled off now because we couldn't make it work Um I mean there's there's real fear that something's wrong with the game Uh And that's what happens when you do not show it off for two years You make people worry. Yeah And some of that's justified look at some of the other games that got announced and then get showed off for years You know the last guardian People are excited for it, but then like we still don't know exactly what's going on with it because What they showed was basically what they have already showed before Um There was that what that one doom game or duke nuke them or whatever that was in development health for like 15 years Oh, and that turned out terrible. It's a sad state of affairs where we're comparing a zelda game to duke nuke them forever Here are we living in right right? But anyways, uh, thank you for your question. I mean There's there's a I can go on and on about this, but I think that the future looks bright