 That's fine. Oh, okay. I'll take it. I'll take it off then. Oh, there we go. There we go. Okay, so I started recording, so we're ready to start the meeting. Okay. Meeting is on. And we don't know anything about Joe, right? You don't. As far as I know, he was going to participate and he asked me if I am. Yeah, I thought he was too. Maybe he'll, he'll be along. Yeah, maybe join a little late. So Maureen, did you say there's going to be guests? Are they? There is. So could you start the meeting and open the meeting and introduce yourselves? Oh, okay. I didn't know. I didn't know they were with us yet, the guests. They are. They are hello guests. I'm Jerry Weiss, the chair of the disability access advisory committee, and I'll let the other members introduce themselves. I'm Sharon Baron. I'm Myra Ross. I'm Tori Dixon. I'm Ruth Smith. And there's one person missing who may come along at some point in the meeting. I'm Elise. Oh, Elise, you know what? There's no picture. So I don't know whether I'm actually there. You are. Yeah. You show up as nine, two, seven, oh, three, one, six. Oh, there's no, there's just. I can. I could probably change that. That's why I didn't introduce you. Yeah. Oh, uh, uh, at least. At least. Sorry. I'm going to do that every time. At least I think you have to change. Let's see if I can figure that out. I might be able to change your name. Rename. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I had to type in the webinar in order to. I tried zooming again, and I had to type the webinar number in, and that's what got me in. Yeah. That's what I had to do too. I had to figure that out. Yeah. So. I made it. Hi, everybody. Hi. Hi, Elise. So, um, I have. Jerry, do you have the, the agenda? I have the. The agenda. Yeah. Oh, okay. So. I have it typed out. Okay. So. You call, you call the order. Are there any announcements that any of you have? You call, you call the order. Are there any announcements that any of the board members. Want to make that, that is not on the agenda. I'd, I'd like to make one. Please remove. Only leave me star. Sarah and Darren at yahoo.com. In your contacts. Oh, okay. You want the Yahoo email only. Yes. Okay. And I've been probably using your stop roast email. Yeah, I don't get any of those. Oh, okay. That's good to know. All right. Thank you. Sure. Okay. Anyone else. Uh, I have one announcement is I got a call from Paul Boppelman. Who, who is in the process of. Replacing members of the committee. I'm apparently going to be first off the committee. But I haven't heard from them for a month. So I don't know what's, what's exactly happening. Okay. I was, you know, I, I was looking at the newspaper and they were, they were, they were like, what's the truth? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. There was an article encouraging people to join committees and wasn't that. Group. And I said, hmm. Yeah. I think there have been some applications. Oh, maybe. Excuse me. It's not a COVID. It's an allergy cough. It's not a COVID cough. Joe is here now. He's, he's probably, he's. Setting up to be here. Here he is. Hi, Joe. Joe. I'll mute him. Let's see if that works. You're muted, Joe. Hello now. Hi, Joe. I figured if I hit enough buttons, I'm eventually I'll get it somewhere. I don't know where, but. At least I'm here. We'll cut the timing. We're just starting. In consideration of our guests, maybe we'll, we'll start with our guests and if anyone has any other announcements, we'll take care of it at the end of the meeting. Does that sound good? Yes. Yes. I think we have guests ready. Let's roll. It was good. Okay. So I'm going to make all the guests from Valley CDC. So I'm going to go ahead and make a panelist. That means your, your camera and your microphone will be enabled now. So, and you can share any. Slides or PDFs that you want to share with the. The board members. So is Tom part of your group? Yes, yes. Okay. All right. And so if you. I'm making him a panelist. Let's see if that works. Hi, Laura. Hi, Jerry. How are you? I'm good. How are you? I'm good. Oh, and Jane is with us as well. Oh, okay. Let's see here. Oh, we're. Oh, Jane. Okay. Did you use your last names too? Yeah, I figured we'd do some introductions as soon as we're done with the technical issue issues. Okay. So is Tom, let's see if Tom is a, okay. I pressed a mute for Tom and then I'm going to put his. I can hear him. And Jane, does your, does your microphone work? Maybe you just need to press a mute. Hold on a second. There we go. There we go. All right. There we go. All right. Perfect. Yay. And. Perfect. We're here. So thank you so much, Laura. Let's go around and if you don't mind introduce yourself. I'm Laura Baker. I'm the real estate project manager from Valley Community Development Corporation. And we're happy to be with you today, hoping to get your feedback on a proposed new affordable housing development. And with me is. I am Jane Lechler. Good morning. New executive director working with Joanne Campbell. This month for a transition period. Happy to meet you all. And I'm Tom Chalmers from Austin design the architects. So I have prepared some slides that we could go through. And I'm just curious how many folks. This committee will be. The slides. I will not be able to see them. I was kind of thinking, maybe not, Lyra. Okay. So I'll, you know, I'll try to do my best to. To describe some of it's just text. And that's easy. Some of its pictures. And that's a little harder. Okay. But I'm going to attempt to share screen. And show you first, give you kind of a background overview of this proposed affordable housing development. And then after that, we'll show you some plans and get it a little bit more into the meat of the physical layout of the site. And the building. So this is my first time sharing screen. Everybody hold on. Do you see a screen? I was hoping I could. I don't know if I can make it. Go to the bottom right. Yeah. Of your PowerPoint. And next to the minus button. Yeah. To the left of the minus button. There's a, that will make it the full. Perfect. Oh, great. Very nice. Wonderful. Okay. It's pretty exciting. I'm excited. So this is how we're currently calling this Amherst studio apartments. It may get a more lyrical name at some point. It's located at 132 North Hampton road in Amherst, which is also known as root nine. Valley community development corporate development. Corporation is a nonprofit. We're based in North Hampton. We're about 30 years old. And one of the things that we do is develop affordable housing. And we've done several developments previously. Amherst, some in North Hampton and one in East Hampton. So this is an aerial view showing you the site. So the site is in kind of a light green color. It's about halfway up North Hampton road between university drive and town center. If you know where the Amherst college field house is, it's directly next door to the field house. And you can see in this image. The track is right behind it. So we're, this parcel is surrounded on the right side of the field house. And it's located on the left side of the field house. So this is an aerial view showing you the site. This parcel is surrounded on two sides by Amherst college athletic fields property. Feel free to jump in if you have questions. How big is the site? It is 0.88 acres. So just under an acre. Okay. We looked for several years to find a site for this type of housing development. And we were especially looking for something within half a mile of the town center, which this is. It's a four, four tenths of a mile from the town center in the nearest bus stop. It's six tenths of a mile downhill to the shopping centers that are there. It's walking distance to quite a, quite a few amenities in Amherst, including the museum to health center. It's on a major road as we talked about. It's on public water and sewer. It's just under an acre lot. It's cleared and relative level for North Hampton road. It's in a mixed use area. So there's college property. There's a lot of residential butters, both single family and multifamily. On North Hampton road, there's a couple of residence halls. The arbors is not too far away. So it's kind of a, a grab bag of things in this neighborhood, but mostly residential. What we're proposing to build is a one single building. That will be have two and a half stories that will include 28 very small studio apartments. So they're really efficiencies. They have kind of a living area. I'll show you floor plans later, but each one has a kitchenette and its own bathroom. Common areas will include a kind of living area, common laundry, outdoor patio and garden space. We'll have two offices on site, one for property management and one for resident services. And then we'll have two houses on site. This property is designed as supportive housing. Not everyone who needs lives there will need supports, but some folks will. So I give you some information about income statistics in Amherst, just as a point of comparison. So you can see the median per capita income in Amherst is about $20,000. And the median rental household income for rental households of all sizes is about $29,000. So the renter households in Amherst earn substantially less than the owner occupied types of households. We're proposing eight of these studio apartments would have an income cap of just under $30,000. It's 50% of the area median income. And they would house mostly working folks earning kind of anywhere between minimum wage and a little bit above minimum wage. But eight of them would have an income cap of $47,850. So associate level administrative staff, paraprofessional, social workers, adjunct faculty would all kind of fall within that income group. Two apartments would be set aside for clients of the Department of Mental Health. These could be folks who are disabled, employed part-time, employed full-time. They will receive ongoing clinical and support services from the Department of Mental Health. And 10 of these apartments will have a homeless preference and an income cap, similarly low income cap of $17,950. These very low income profiles will have rental-based subsidies. So the folks who live there will pay 30% of income toward rent. So how many of these apartments are going to be sectioned? So there will, we anticipate there will be 12 apartments that will have a project-based voucher. It might be a section eight or it might be an MRVP. So either a state or federal project-based voucher. Yeah. And did you say the person would have a choice of having the Department of Mental Health, would the people need to have the services or not? No, the services are voluntary, but there will be two apartments that are kind of referred from the Department of Mental Health for their clients. So in those two apartments, we know that those folks will be receiving services from the Department of Mental Health by design. These are deep subsidies? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. When you talked about the eight for the 47,000, are they paying 30% as well? Or how does that work? So the people in the 50%, 80% AMI rents, there will be fixed rental amounts. Somewhere between $650 and $700 a month, including all utilities. What is the AMI in Hampshire County? Just for the heck of it. I don't know. For a single person household. Yeah. I believe it is about, let's see if it's 47. It's probably about. About 60%. Yeah, I think it's about 60. Okay. So the 10 studios, which will have a homeless preference, which was really kind of part of the impetus for developing this housing from the perspective of the town and the Amherst Municipal Housing Trust. It's really to provide a place for folks who might be living at Craig's Doors or otherwise homeless and homeless has a pretty broad definition. Could be someone who's trying to get away from domestic violence. Someone who's living doubled up. Someone who's in an unsafe apartment. Someone who's paying way too much of their income for rent. Or literally a person who is living outdoors. Who has no home. So it's a pretty broad definition. So 10 units are designated that way. Priorities. Among the homeless tenants. Well, for, uh, you know, in some areas. Residents, local residents. I mean, people who pay more than 50% of their income. Nowadays, everybody qualifies for that. So that's, you know, Of course, domestic violence. Escaping domestic violence or being displaced for. No, no fault of their own. You know, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, we have, we have social media, we have social media being displaced for no, no fault of their own. So I'm just curious, have you set up a system of priorities for us? Oh shoot, I just lost my screen. Hang on one second. Sorry. You still see it. You still see it? Shoot. We see it. You just, uh, you clicked that as a presentation mode. Okay. Okay. Go to the bottom right. Just like before. Thank you, Maureen. So we are just starting the zoning process. If there will be a local preference, which is possible. It would be something that would be set by the town. So we suspect they'll request that, but they, they have the power to do that. The zoning board of appeals. Other preferences have to do. Fitting within these different categories. And then typically there's a marketing period and we do a lottery. So some of it's being the right type of tenant and having the right income profile. And then some of its chance having to do with the lottery itself. So onsite services that we're proposing are to have a resident services coordinator. Approximately 30 hours a week to basically. Community based services. Sorry, that's me. Having some property management staff onsite. And then we'll have agreements with other community agencies. I have a question. Having spent a lot of time in the schools. A lot of the people who are homeless. Have kids. And these don't seem like they would be acceptable. Places for a single parent with a kid or two to live, right? Sure. No, this is designed for individuals. So the state has. Basically a requirement that they need to house homeless families. They don't have that requirement for homeless individuals. Okay. So we see that homeless families, there was a big to do because a lot of homeless families were housed in hotels and motels. I was going to say, they're not terribly well housed. So. But there's a lot of kids that don't have a place to live. They have a state priority. In a different way than individuals. Okay. So it's not that that's not also a need. It's not a need being addressed by this particular. Development. Okay. So accessibility features that we are including, and this is kind of where we wanted to get your input. Most especially two of the 28 units, which is 7% of units are fully handicapped accessible. They're significantly larger than the other units. They're still small units, but they're bigger than the other ones. Actually, this is incorrect. Two units will be adapted for tenants who'd have sensory impairments. All of the common areas. So for, I'll let Tom talk about it. It's, I think. Go ahead, Tom. I mute myself. So usually what we've done is, we've had a device. Set up in the unit to. To provide. This hearing. To provide sound for doorbells. Enhancements for telephones. And of course, alarm signals. So visual signals as well as auditory signals. So when you say sensory, you mean deaf. Yes. Okay. Well, we can talk more about that. So the common areas, both inside and outside are fully accessible to someone in a wheelchair. The building is equipped with an elevator. So there's full vertical access. Two of the 16 parking spaces, 12.5% are accessible. And they're located closest to the building's main entry. The main entry is on grade. We worked very hard to achieve that. So there's no kind of ramp needed to get into the building. All the paths and walkways on the site will meet universal access codes. So we don't have any ramps or handrails. The entry door will have an electronic paddle, push paddle opener. All the door hardware door openings and passageways will meet accessibility code. All the interior signage will include Braille. And I just added that service animals are permitted. In general, pets won't be allowed, but service animals will be permitted, which is not specific to this. I think it's, it's required. It's the appropriate documentation. For having a service animal. Yeah. You know, it's not really exactly what I do. I believe typically people have a doctor's letter. I think that's true. We see a lot of service animals, both, you know, the traditional ones as well as the emotional support service animals are. Are quite common. There's some specifics around the reasonable accommodation request there about, you know, there's residents have their privacy in, um, in terms of what their impairment is, but then they just make that request of what the service animal will provide. That's pretty straightforward. How will you designate the HP parking? For example, is it going to be first come first serve? Um, is it going to be, uh, whoever, uh, you know, it's, it's not uncommon for people to, um, end up having disputes over. Whether or not it's my parking spot. No, it's my parking spot. Right. Do that. Yeah. Um, we had sometimes the opposite experience where we are required to provide a certain number and they said vacant. Um, So I think we'll. We'll field test it. So we have two accessible units and two accessible parking spaces. It is common that we have, um, persons using accessible units who don't have a car. So I honestly think it's a problem, a bridge that will cross, uh, when we get to it, if it in fact turns out to be an issue, we certainly could designate them for tenants. If there was a need to do that. I would think that they would have preference over visitors or someone else. Will they be visiting parking? Cause if someone has a PCA, uh, Is there a parking nearby or on the ground? We'll talk about parking. I'll show you the site plan and we can show you the parking. That's available. Um, so people are. About the signage. Um, you said the Braille signage. Does that mean the room number, the apartment numbers? Yeah. Um, I'm not sure what other. Signage there would be, but the apartment numbers will be brailed. That's what you're saying. So typically all the interior signage, it's apartment numbers. It's way finding signs. It's safety. You know, fire, egress kinds of signs. Elevator. Yeah. Elevator. You know, Buttons and instructions also in Braille. I guess a question for the architect is, do you know anything about interior signage? Beacons. No. Beacons that you can read. With some technology that, uh, enable you to find your way, way finding beacons. Uh, I don't know much about that. No. Okay. Might be something. They're not, it's, um, if. If they're, um, I'm not sure you need it for this kind of a place. Um, but. There are ways they, they put, um, things on the wall that emit an electronic. Um, I don't even know what it is. Not a sound, but it's a pulse or whatever you can't tell unless you have the device, like a phone that's going to pick it up. But, but more and more, they're using it for interior way finding for blind people. So that they can figure out, um, that's usually it's in a much bigger building. Um, but I was just wondering since you're building it and the, and the intention is to be completely accessible, it might be something to consider. I don't think it's very expensive. So we like for accessible to define the route and how to get in and out and get to the main common spaces and stuff. Well, you know, like if, if you knew that you were setting a beacon, if you wanted to go to the main space, um, if there was a beacon on the common space, you're, you would go to your phone, find the beacon for the common space. And you would be able to get directions to get there. Yeah. So Myra, just the device that you're holding as the person whose site impaired give you then, does it talk to you and give you directions like a phone? Yeah. You know, it's a phone. And I guess we can say, well, how many really low income people have. But it's pretty amazing how many do. Yeah. No, it's becoming more of a necessity. So it's just, it's a phone and Android or an iPhone. Yeah. And access the beacons with those. That is very cool. Okay. So I'm going to try a new share. Maureen, if I have to share, will I get to, to share a different file? Yeah. Awesome. Sorry. Sorry. That's my landline, which I never answer. Anyhow. If it's helpful for people. I do this with other boards. You might want to mute your individual. Microphones. And when you want to ask a question or make a comment, then unmute yourself. Just so we don't have all of these noises. It's not that easy for me to know when I'm muted, unless you hear all the feedback from my computer. Sure. Maura, you can, you can, you feel free to keep yours unmuted. Okay. But I won't know when I'm muted and when I'm not. Unless the speech on my computer is on, which you don't want to hear. And then no one ever responds to you. Okay. All right. So did you figure out the new share? I am having trouble. I'm going to minimize. I could do with my ear. Oh yeah. Cause this is a screen minimize it. Minimize. I see your screen. So a minimized your PowerPoint. I see your mouth. If that's helpful. So I have it on my desktop, but I'm not sure how to share it with you folks. Can you move your mouse? Yeah. Oh, I, we don't see the mouse moving. Okay. This is what close your. Close your PowerPoint. And maybe, um, maybe what are you trying to show? Is it a path? Is it a PDF or PowerPoint? Interesting. I think, I think, Laura, I think you need to start a new share. Okay. Oh yeah. That's what, sorry. You need to start a new share. Sorry. And you can either share the file or the screen. It's easier if you share the screen is then you can go back and forth between the files. Thank you. Can you guys see that? No. It says your screen sharing is paused. I don't know how to stop it from. Saying that. Okay. Pause. Okay. Can you stop it? Can you see it now? No. It's tiny. Well, it was the same page from before that this is the, uh, accessibility features include. Yeah. So on my screen, I see it. Okay. Stop. Do you have a button that says share screen. Or news. New share. Yep. Okay. Press seven. And now you'll probably have all these options of what you could share. Yeah. Do you see what you're trying to show? Okay, there we go. This is good experience for, for, for the 25th. Oh, don't marine. That was some good coaching. Well, this is my, this is. Works. Uh, fortunately, unfortunately. A zoom is my new life. So. All right. So this is just a cover shape. Yeah. Do you see what you're trying to. There we go. This is good experience for it for the 25th. Oh, don't marine. That was some good coaching. This is my stuff. Well, this is my, this is. Works. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So this is just a cover sheet. We're going to look at not the whole plan set, but ones that I thought might be most relevant for you guys. So what we're looking at now are basically 3d renderings of what this building will look like from different angles. Yeah. Leave it. Can everybody see it? I'm fine. It keeps jumping. Oh yeah. That's me. Sorry. I'll hold it. So, um, you know, for Myers benefit, it's an attempt to really replicate some of the more traditional Victorian style buildings. We used as our model, some of the residents dormitory halls on Amherst. Campus and Smith campus. We were trying to get it to blend into what the neighborhood looks like. So I'm going to move to the next page. Which is, um, the site plan. So this is showing in the area that's colored is the site. You see North Hampton road in front. The driveway is moving a little bit from its current location, but pretty much staying in the same part of the site. You drive in. We are proposing 16 parking spaces that you have. Um, there are two accessible ones right near this is the main entry. And this is the main entry lobby. The spaces are in the front or in the back. The spaces are next to the building. So this building is a, it's kind of a narrow, deep lot. And so the building itself is toward the rear of the lot. And the good thing about that is we preserve a lot of the green space along North Hampton road and buffer the, the noise of North Hampton road a bit. There are walkways that take you from the building out to the sidewalk. That's along North Hampton road. And also a walkway that takes you to a front entrance. And then around the other side of the building to an outdoor patio space. And back into the building. So in terms of who gets to park where, the parking is primarily for residents. Although we do assume that, um, service providers who will primarily be daytime visitors will also park in this area. Um, and that those tenants who have cars are most often going to be not parked there during the day. So they'll most frequently be there parked overnight or on the weekends. Um, we did a lot of study about how many parking spaces are needed. And I'm sure we'll talk more with the zoning board of appeals about it. Um, the nature of housing very low income folks is. Many of them, most of them do not have cars. So we won't have enough parking, but we don't want to have tons of extra parking. So this is our best attempt to estimate how many parking spaces will actually be needed both by residents as well as, um, the occasional service. How many did you say? Did you say 16? 16. Or did I make that up? 16. 16. Okay. Okay. Um, so, uh, you know, it's a, it's a double driveway coming in. They're dumpsters back here, a little garden shed. We have some garden spaces designated outside some mechanical equipment that's outside the footprint of the building. And again, we have a patio out here. There's a lot of vegetative screening going on to, you know, shield the parking lot and to shield, give some privacy here for the patio. And also on the border with the Amherst college field, that was something that college was interested in was having a little bit of. You know, just a little bit of separation of uses. You know, what kind of materials will be used for the walkways? Yes. I kind of do. So this primary walkway coming in, I believe is concrete. And then these smaller pathways. We're proposing to use, it's like a recycled rubber. Composite. So it's somewhat permias. Um, I think it's a great surface, honestly, for, for everybody. Um, it's, it's forgiving and a little cushy. Um, so we want to use that for the smaller pathways. Um, that the driveway itself is asphalt. Um, and then there are eight parking spaces that are grass creed, which is, um, again, it's a more pervious type of paving. Um, it's kind of a cement block that grass can grow up through. So you give more of a green feeling to the site than just having so much black top, but it's still permanent parking. So it's still permanent. So we're going to move that into the grass. I think, um, I think it's going to be a good idea. Who's going to pull the weeds that grow up instead of the grass? They're going to mow it. You'll know it. You'll know it just like you'd mow grass. Um, and same thing back here. We have a turning area for emergency vehicles and for the dumpster truck. To kind of pull in here and do a turn three point turn. So they can collect from the dumpsters and head out. Head on into North Hampton road. Um, and the parks here will also be able to kind of um, pull out and go head first, um, when they exit on North Hampton road. Well, the panel also be. The same material, the rubber. I think, you know, we're early. So some of these things are still up for discussion. We typically try to use a brick paver for a patio area, but we are open to suggestion on that. So I think that's the surface that's shown here at this point in time. And how big is the patio? The patio. Do you have a. Of square footage? Uh, let me think. I am, I'm going to guess for you. It's a, it's an odd kind of round shape. So I'm going to guess it is about. 20 to 25 feet across. Maybe 20, 20, 20, 25 feet as a round area. It's a good size. We can fit some tables. We have some rolling planters, um, that we're showing there. Also at the, on one of the walkways, we have a smoking designated area, which is a controversial item. Uh, this would be a smoke free building. But it's not a smoke free building. So it's a very, very, very good. Good. Good smoke. So it has. Like a shed. Yeah. It's got to, it's a bench. That will have a covered roof over it. Okay. So if, if anyone's ever been to like River Valley co-op. They have. Like a shed for a smoke, for a smoking area for their employees. So it'd be something like that. Just as a comparable, but. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Are the benches with the tables and seats? Are the seats, is that fixed seating? No. Good. Yeah. Someone else is trying to ask a question. I'm sorry. I just want to make a comment. I live in a smoke free building too. And it's great. The thing is you want to make sure that the smoking area is away from people's windows. Right. You know, because it does permeate. And windows. It is such a tricky thing. Yeah. So if you look here at this part of the building, there's no windows. In this section. So wet wall. So it's, it was placed pretty strategically to try to get it away from people's windows. But I'll take it away from the field and keep it away from the patio and keep it away from pedestrians going by on North Hampton road. You know, it's just no one really wants to be here to smoke if they're not smoking. So it's always a challenge on a site to find a good spot for it. I'm going to keep moving on. These are elevations of the building. This is the side that would face the driveway. And this is where you. This is Tori. I wanted to make a comment about the patio and the picnic area. Yeah. And you, you mentioned something about brick. And that, that material is not always very good for people walking on crutches or even using wheelchairs or scooters. Yeah. I'll add some to that. I agree with that. Papers is not the best surface. What we've used in the past would be. You know, a lot of the damage is by the way. Is there any pattern in it? Oh, okay. But yes. Papers is much more maintenance and it's very easy to get large, you know, more than quarter inch differences in height and all kinds of issues. We're definitely cognizant of that. Any kind of pattern. Could be also difficult if you're using a cane. Cause it gets stuck in services. just as a preferred surface for a patio. It's smooth. Yeah. Like concrete. What do you guys think is smooth? Are you familiar with this recycled rubber kind of composite? It's like they use playgrounds and things. It gives good grip, so you're not going to slip on it. Anybody have opinions about that? How is it snow and ice? How will it ice up in the winter? No more than everything else ices up. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Well, if anybody has a brainstorm about a great patio surface. Um, because concrete can be a little bit slippery. Um, so, you know, we're open to suggestions on that. Oh, uh, say, if any members, um. You know, after this meeting, yeah, think of a material that you would prefer. Feel free to email me, uh, any comments actually in general about this project. And I can forward them to the, uh, to Laura. Yeah. Maureen, I just want to say that I would assume whoever, um, is responsible for taking care of the building overall. With all, and when it's icy and snowy, we would get out there and clean that walkway anyway. So. Yeah. So we valley, we hire a professional property management company to do the maintenance. And they're pretty vigilant, um, about clearing snow and ice. So they would do that work. Okay. So this is an elevation of the building. Uh, this is facing the driveway and you would enter here, these double doors. It's just a very gradually graded walkway that would take you from the parking area, uh, into the main lobby. Um, and then you would have to, um, you know, You know, The slide is a, the site is a little bit sloped. So you'll see that there's some portions of this ground floor that are below grade. And then it kind of opens out to grade on the opposite side. Excuse me. Will the main door automatically open or people will have to, uh, push the electric. Um, you know. Yeah. We'll probably have a paddle that people push. Um, and then we'll be able to open the door. Um, and then we'll be able to open that door. Okay. Um, it's a little tricky. I'm doing a project now where we're integrating it. This building will have an intercom system. So, you know, that. Securing the building and yet providing, um, access is, it's just tricky. So in our case, you have to press the intercom. Someone has to buzz you. And when they buzz you, the doors open. They have to be allowed in and then you'd press the, the paddle. Yeah. Or, or the doors would automatically open if someone buzzed a visitor in and just everybody gets the door to open for them. But something like that where you can still secure the building. And yet have the door operate automatically when it's needed to. Sure. So, yeah, sure. So you're looking into options. Is that what you're saying or. Okay. Yeah. I think it's going to be the intercom going to be outside, or is it going to be between two sets of doors? I think it's Tom, do you know the answer to that? Is it going to be in the lobby or in the outs outside this main door? I think it may be in the lobby. Okay. So in a way, I'll be like, that's going to have to, in this case, it's going to have to be outside, but it's a covered space outside. Right. Okay. That might be a place to put the beacon so people can find the keypad. Yeah. Right. Right. I saw a mention of keypads. Where are the keypads going to be my concern is. Depending on the height of the keypads or someone's ability. Dexterity ability to manipulate the keypads. I wonder if there's a wand or something that could be used. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if there's a wand for people who can't. Manipulate the numbers. Is this on each apartment? Joe, you saw there's a keypad. Or where is the, where are the keypads? I don't know. I saw in one of the, the previous slide. Mention of keypads. I'm just not sure if it was for the. General entrance. Or for the apartments or. I couldn't find what you're looking for. So, so there's a paddle push. You know, like the large, you know, middle push panel at the main door. And then there will be an intercom system. So, you know, you're not going to need to be able to buzz somebody's apartment. They have to let you in. All of that would be mounted within, you know, ADA reach area. So I think it's just pushing one button. It's not like pushing a sequence of buttons. You're just letting your, the person who lives there know that you're there. They'll be able to see you. They'll be a view screen. They'll be able to see you. They'll be able to see you. They'll be able to see you. They'll be able to see you. They'll be able to see you. They'll be able to see you. They'll be able to see you. And then you'll be able to enable the door to open. I thought he was asking if you live there, how do you. Do you have keys or do you have. Yeah. Typically we'll use. Actual keys. We, you know, there's a lot of discussion about FOBS versus keys. So far we've been liking the keys. Better than the FOBS. So. That's what I anticipate. I'll tell you, I have. I have a number pad. I have a number pad. I have a number pad. I have a number pad. I have a number pad. I don't want to miss it. That ever happened to me. You can't lock yourself out. Yeah. Yeah, we can talk a little bit. Sometimes the accessible units have different features then. Okay. And the other units might have. So at any rate, this is the main. Elevation main entry. I'm going to move to the other elevations. road. This is the side of building that will be facing toward the Conway Field House kind of downhill. These double doors here are the ones that will egress onto the patio. And then this is the back of the building that will face basically the track, the athletic field. Okay. So this is the first, this is the ground floor. So the ground floor sits partially below grade and partially at grade. What's kind of unusual and a little hard to understand about this is this is the lobby here, which is at grade. And so and it's really the only part of the building that's directly at grade. So you come in here and you have a choice. You can hop on the elevator, which is right here, and it will take you to the ground floor, the first floor or the second floor. Or you can take a few steps up to the first floor or some steps down to the ground floor. So on the ground floor, we have most of the common areas. There's a shared laundry room here. There's a mechanical room. We have an office here for the resident services coordinator. We have a public bathroom that's accessible. And we have a common room, which is the main kind of living space that people can gather. And the common room connects to that outdoor patio. So those spaces are connected. And the part of the building that's lowest that has the least window exposure is this end. And so you see we've clustered like stairs and mechanical room and laundry down there. And then the units themselves all have full windows above grade. So these are typical units that you're seeing around here. If you look close, you can see the furniture is laid out in these units. Each one has a small bathroom and each one has a little kitchenette area with a range, a sink, a full-sizer refrigerator, a microwave, a little bit of counter space, a little bit of cabinets. What's the square footage on the apartments that are not the bigger ones? Yep. So the non-ADA apartments average about 235 square feet. Oh, wow. They're teeny. Yeah. So this is the first floor. And this is where you see the accessible unit is stacked on top of that common room that was on the ground floor. And it's almost 400 square feet. So it's quite a bit larger than the typical apartments. The apartment size is very a bit depending on whether it's, you know, where it is in the building, if it's kind of an L-shaped corner unit or a central unit. But they all have pretty good natural light coming in. They're all facing, you know, outdoor views with the corridor in the middle. Property Management Office is here on this first floor. And the rest of this is residential units. We have stair towers on either end for emergency egress and then the stair tower in the middle. And then this is the upper floor. Again, we have another accessible unit stacked on top of the one on the floor below. And we have more residential units on this floor. These are some closeups of what some sample units might look like in this building. Just so you can see the layout a little bit more clearly. And one of these sample units, this 1-04, is the accessible unit. And primarily in the accessible units, the differences have to do with size and facilities in the bathroom. They'll have a roll-in shower versus, you know, another kind of shower. And clearances for wheelchair. And then the kitchens, which will have a separate wall oven from a range. They'll have a roll-under sink. Some of the typical things that you'd see in an ADA kitchen. So I have a question about the microwave and the range. I did write to Maureen. I don't know if you received what I wrote. I did. Okay. For blind people these days, microwaves and ranges are major problems because so many of them have to do with touch screen, which is light touch, meaning if you touched it, it activated. It used to be that touch screens, or some that are much more difficult to find right now, are touch and press screens, which can be marked with icons. But the light touch ones are completely inaccessible. And that'll be an issue for the microwaves. I expect that probably the ranges that you're going to use are going to be all with knobs. Is that right? That's right. Okay. So there's not going to be any touch screen for the oven on any of the stoves? No. Okay. And also, just a pet peeve of mine is not having to do with the law. Yeah, but there are a lot of stoves that they used to make with all the controls on the back. And you had to stick your hand through all of the hot stuff. Yeah. So hopefully you're going to get ones with the knobs on the front. Okay. I had to get a new stove just like that for that reason. Yeah. Yeah. So the knobs on the front and no touch screens that can't be that can't be touched and pressed. Right. So thank you for bringing this to our attention, Myra, it was something that wasn't really on our radar. I think we're good with the range in the stove. I think the microwave. Yes. And the intercom. And actually the controls for the HVAC for the heat and cooling. Correct. We'll need the research because they all are going to these smart screens. And I hear what the problem is. They do make thermostats that you can use your phone. I mean, assuming people have a phone, but they, well, the talking thermostat is no longer in production. Or maybe it came back, I don't know, it had a problem. I have a talking thermostat at this point. But they can be set with the, you know, with the smartphones. Now you can do thermostats that way, just like people do lights that way. I don't know that the people are going to have smartphones, but if, you know, maybe that would be a small expense that would be provided for people if that's how you're going to control your thermostat. We're going to figure it out. It's just, we wouldn't have maybe thought of it without you bringing it to our attention. So I appreciate that. Okay, well, that's why I'm here. Some of the HVAC units have remotes too, which are buttons. So, you know, I don't know exactly what the solution will be, but we will definitely take on that challenge and try to figure out something that works for folks. Also, on the intercom, or if there's any way to contribute to for people that that have to communicate between apartments, I don't know if you're doing that. Or if that's just for people with a phone, you're not okay. Yeah, okay. Okay, I have a question. Just in terms of I think it's great to have all this technology with the smartphones, you know, doing things like lights and interpret, you know, but I'm wondering, God forbid, there should be a power outage or a smartphone that's having trouble. Is there an alternative so that somebody doesn't freeze to death or whatever? I don't know, it's a dumb question. I don't think we're going to be too high tech on this. We're going to have light switches. We're going to have analog thermostats, regular. Okay, you are. Okay, good. I just wanted to make sure that there'd be some way, you know, more than one way to do it. Yeah, I mean, HVAC, is there air conditioning in this building? Yes, there is. So, this is Sarah and could the generator be installed? That will address the problem with power outage? Yeah, let me talk about HVAC, then I'll talk about power outages. So the HVAC for this is likely to be the all electric, the kind of air source heat pump, many splits that do both cooling and heating. We can get them in very small units. And so each apartment can control its own temperature with a floor and a ceiling, which is a big deal for people to be able to have control over that. We are trying to make this an all electric building, be the first one we've done where we don't have any kind of fossil fuels on site. It does leave us a little bit vulnerable in the event of a power outage. Yep. So we will think about whether we can afford both space and money for a backup generator, because that's a question. Some like the elevator will have a battery backup that at least people won't get, you know, stuck in an elevator during a power outage. We also hope to have photovoltaic solar power at this building. And there is technology advancing to be able to battery store some power that you can use for minimal kind of emergency services, wouldn't run a whole building, but people could at least shelter in place. So I don't have the total answer to that. But it's an excellent question. And certainly something we're going to be exploring more. So you are going to put solar panels on the roof? We are, we are, we are sure hoping to. And that is really a budget question. So we will design for it. And we hope to have sufficient money to be able to do it and own them. There's a number of ways to accomplish putting solar panels on one is to rent them. We can't afford to buy them. But our first choice would be to buy them. The other unknown is there are various incentive programs they change almost every year. So we, we, you know, we always plan for them. And then how they actually get paid for is, is a moving target. But we want the building to be as both energy efficient and self sufficient as possible. So how are you going to be photovoltaic if you're not going to have solar panels necessarily? Well, we are planning to. But I think the question was, did we guarantee we were going to have them or something? Otherwise it's going to be an all electric building fueled by, you know, like ever source, right? Yes. Yes. Okay. I have a question. It will never be fully fueled by solar panels. There just isn't enough roof area or space to do it. But it is possible to purchase electricity from a solar farm so that you can actually have, you know, a very sustainable energy model. Can you just, you said it and I just missed it. If there is a power outage, what would happen to the elevators? So the elevator, if there's a fire, what happens to an elevator is it drops to the ground floor and it opens. Got it. If there's a power outage and you have a battery backup for the elevator, it goes to the nearest floor and it opens so that you don't have someone stuck inside the elevator. I'm assuming in the elevator there's the emergency phone. Correct. And it's required. It's required by law. Yeah, there is. So will there be someone in the office that puts up on that call? Or where will that call go? So the call is required to go to a 24-hour line. So we have our property management company has a 24-hour, 24-7 emergency property management line that we can tie into and some places required to go to 9-1-1 as well. And you mentioned that the other apartments, I know the other apartments have to be adaptable, but what kind of features are in the adaptable units? I'm assuming the turning radius, you got a five-foot turning radius in the bathroom, in the kitchen, and there's room to get around in the bedroom. Yeah, I'll let Tom answer that. So they're designed to the MAB type 1 unit, which has those features. The only thing that we're doing here that they allow for in that is the bathroom, we're having the bathroom door swing in. Oh yeah. And we can always make it, we'll make it so we can have an accommodation to have that door swing out if that, because the bathroom is small, if that becomes a problem with the clearance. Yeah, do you have the 18 inches there to swing it, to open it? Yeah, we will by the time. That fixture is probably not the one we're going to be using. I see. And it looks like in the accessibility units, you've got a tub with a tub seat. Yep. It's a shower. It's a seat. Actually, can I get back to appliances? The washing machines in the common laundry, same problem. Yeah, okay. It's very hard to find accessible washing machines. There are units like the, I believe it's the Westing House or one of the other larger companies that specialize. They have all accessible units. They have all accessible appliances. Well, accessible for some people, but not accessible for other people. Right. There's always a two-edged sword there. No, a lot of washing machines you buy now are touchscreens or they're little buttons that go around and around and around and don't have any stop point. This is a big issue for blind people. So it's not very easy to find them. Right. Yeah, the accessibility for folks in wheelchairs is very far advanced over the accessibility, I would think, for people with vision impairment. It's not something that gets the same level of attention. So more attention. You're here. This is Tori and I have a question about the accessible apartment on the second floor. Yep. And if there's a power outage or a fire and that person's in a wheelchair, how are they going to get down? Right. Do you want to talk about this also, Tom, about the shelter in place? Yeah, I mean it's a problem. It's always a problem. I'm just pulling up the floor plan on my own thing here. So the code, you know, the code has that we have an area, it's not a standard area of refuge, it's not a full area of refuge, but there's an area by the stairs that someone can go to. So it's in a fire rated shaft so that the idea... Then it's in a stairwell and you have a rated separation, but you still you still need to have someone come and help you get down the stairs. Oh man. But there's two regressed stairs that are, you know, a two-hour fire rating and lead directly to the outside. So in terms of fire safety, this is going to be a fully... So the fire department will be alerted that that whoever's living on the second floor in that accessible apartment will be waiting in that area. Right. Okay. So in terms of fire safety, this will be a fully sprinkler building. We will have hardwired smoke and fire detectors and CO2 detectors. So at least there will be, you know, good protection for tenants in the event of a fire and someone will get there quickly. I'm glad to hear about the sprinkler. So actually, what you're... I mean, I'm just thinking about it in terms of Tori's question. There are no apartments that are roll in, go to your apartment and use your key. They're all up or down. Right. That's correct. Yep. They're all up in this case. Yeah. Okay. They're up up one or up two. Up one, half or up one and a half. Okay. And that is because there's a slight slope to the site. Yeah, I get it. Yeah. The only way to have the entrance was to have it at a middle zone. Yeah. The issue is... On the ground floor, you can exit the building to the lower level. To the patio. To the patio. And you could, if you were coming from the street, you could in fact, you know, go along the path to the lower level and enter the building there. You don't have to enter it. Again, with Tori's question, if it were not a fire, but a power failure, you said it would go to the nearest floor and open. Yeah. Right? Yeah. So if Tori lived upstairs and it was in the middle floor where it let her out... I think you can ask it to go to a floor. You can. Yeah. I think it can't go up lots of floors, but it can certainly go down. But it would only be one floor, anyway. Right. I don't know. Yeah, I mean, I'm just thinking, if I were the person stuck in the elevator and a power failure and it put me on the wrong floor and there were nothing I could do about it, that would be a big problem for me. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's why the elevator has a phone. Because at that point, you know, everyone in the building needs assistance if the elevator's not working. Not really. People are in their own apartments. It's fine. Yeah. But if nobody isn't... I think in this building, in this case, it makes the most sense really to go down to the ground floor because at the ground floor, then you have two at-grade exits from the building. Yeah, that's true. And there's a common room you can always wait in, I guess, instead of a hallway. Right. So it should have to go to the down just like the other one and not let you off on the nearest floor. Because for Tori and Joe and Sarah, that would be a real problem. Yeah. Well, except on the ground floor, you do have two at-grade exits. So once you're on the ground floor, you can go out. On the ground floor, it's fine. But what what you had said originally was that it was going to let you out at the nearest floor. Yeah. And that's not okay for people who can't get to the ground floor without the elevator. Right. I understand. Yeah. You know, I think that if we if we focus on worst-case scenarios, we won't get anywhere. I think that we... That's not about unlikely. Elevators fail. When we live in a community, we all take our risks. When I lived in the Clark House, I was on the fourth floor and I knew jail well that if there was a fire, you know, I go to the fire-rated area and hope to God that the fire department will show up. Otherwise, everybody would want an apartment on the ground floor. I think that, you know, if we cover the major areas of access for everyone, then we got... That's the biggest battle. If we cover all the worst-case scenarios, then we could, you know, what if an atomic bomb goes off or something? I don't think it's so worst-case scenario to think that an elevator could have a power issue. And, you know, not all of us would want an apartment on the first floor because some of us could run down the firescape. I mean, a lot of people who are low income or otherwise disabled can run down the stairway and get out. So I think accommodations for people who really need them, especially since it has to be built now, I think we have to think about what's going to happen to that elevator automatically. So just for you folks to think about as a policy issue is, you know, there's a mandate to basically sprinkle accessible units throughout a building and not congregate them in one location. And when you do that in a multi-story building, you end up with some accessible units on upper floors. Whereas the safest place for those units is probably all on the main ground floor. And so there's a little bit of attention between those two kind of objectives, public policy objectives. In our case, we don't have, we're working with the grades that are here, so we don't have a place to put people that they can just get to right from grade. But in other buildings, multi-story buildings, we have this conversation regularly. In fact, sometimes people won't apply for a unit if they're in a wheelchair and it's an upper floor unit. They're like, no way. Well, I want to know I can get out. I'm like Joe, who was, you know, willing to live on the fourth floor. So, but it's a tension that exists within our, within our industry. Joe, do you still live at Clark? No, I moved out of there 30 years ago when, you know, it's, it's a different, it's a, it's a mixed, you know, it's, at that point before I was a senior, it was senior housing and housing for people with disabilities. So, if I had my stereo on three, I know I'd have someone knocking on my door. So, and, you know, and it was, and I really didn't want to come in every, every evening and get a third degree from, you know, where you've been and has the mail come in and get hassled about my PCAs. That's, that was one of the biggest problems, the lifestyles. Then people, not trusting people who are PCAs, particularly if they were minorities. People have been, you know, people who are very mistrustful. And I don't know if it was, if it goes along with the, with the generation or just individuals who are just not just mistrustful in the first place of anybody who doesn't look or talk like that, like they do. So anyway, I was, no, I got out. The reason I'm asking is because I'm living on your former floor. Are you in 420? I'm in 408. Oh, you got the, the one bedroom. The 420 is my apartment. So, if I want to go back, I know it's open. I, I'm actually very happy here. It's a run, I guess it changed hands and it's run really well now, but I can see your issues. But I just, I just thought it was a coincidence. You know, that's why I asked. Yeah, great location. That's all I can say. Yeah. But back then they actually had stores and amenities that they actually want rather than, you know, clothing stores and pizza places and Chinese restaurants. There's nothing down there for a resident really. So that's correct. That's a whole nother, but that's a whole nother issue. Yeah. Now with those ugly buildings down there, it's just even more undesirable. Well, we still have our guests. Let's, let's try to stay on that topic. On the topic. Yeah. Yeah. So I believe I talked with Joe at one point because one of the critiques we've gotten about this site is, you know, is it truly walkable for people? What if you're in a wheelchair? There's a hill to go up. There's a hill to go down. So, you know, we just explored the different transport options that are available. And luckily there's seems to be pretty decent van service. Sorry about that. Yeah. If you want to wait two hours for a five minute trip, sure. There's some van service available. So I know we can. There is a hill. There is. So obviously where this is located, this is on the, that hill of that stretch of route nine. Yep. And currently there isn't a sidewalk on that side of the road. However, Mastio, correct? Well, there is. There is a sidewalk on our side of the road that goes from our property into town. It doesn't go downhill. And then there's a sidewalk on the opposite side of route nine that goes the full distance. Okay. So I believe Mastio, Mastio T is extending that sidewalk to go to, to university drive on your, on your side. And they, Mastio T is also putting in bike lanes on both sides of the road up route nine of that stretch. Yeah. So they're doing five foot wide multi-use paths on both sides of route nine, nine that will be wider and at least initially much better condition than the walkways that are there now. And they're also putting into blinking crossings because a lot of people cross route nine, especially against the athletic field. Or if you're on one side to town, and it's, it's busy. So there's two different crossings in one at Orchard and one at Hazel Street. Is there a bus stop there? There is not. I don't know if we could get one. I mean, the bus system is kind of tailored to the colleges and university. So it goes down university drive and up around and into town and then back. So you, there are lots of bus stops that are not too far, but it doesn't go up and down that section of Northampton Road. Yeah. I think I have a question. Oh, okay. Sorry. Yeah. If we could ask, you know, I know it'd be difficult to ask PVTA to put a bus stop there. It would depend on the usage and how many people would actually be on the bus. Yeah. I think that's, I think that's right. It's always hard to get them to change. And, you know, if we didn't have people who really needed it, then it wouldn't make a lot of sense. Well, we need to make sure the sidewalks are in good shape or wide enough and don't have potholes or giant tree roots in the way. Oh, yeah. My question is, I guess, how did you determine 28 units? That wasn't just, this is how much money we need to make so that we can afford to build the building or because I'm thinking these, the common spaces are pretty small for 28 people. So I was wondering how you came up with 28 since the apartments aren't very big. It seemed, it would seem like maybe fewer apartments and more common space. I don't know, but it probably is a financial question. I just wondered how you came up with that. You know, some of it's the economics, both of building it and operating it. Some of it is just looking at models that we're already familiar with and properties that we already manage. We did a fit test originally. We could build out the site more and have higher density. We're finding the neighbors are already very agitated about the level of density that we're proposing. You know, we're trying to do a lot of things at the same time. We're trying to house people who are homeless, but not congregate them. We want to mix them with other folks of different income tiers. There are a lot of single-person households and a lot of people needing housing who are very low income single persons. That's our priority is getting people under shelter. Third of the units are for people who make almost $50,000 for one person. But it could be. The people in the jobs that you named, you know, there's a lot of people in this town that do work like that. I'm wondering if they're going to want a 235 foot apartment with almost no common space. Is there any kind of flexibility? For example, if you can't fill the 80% units because of what I said, can you put more lower income people or do they have to stay vacant? What happens with the numbers of vacant units if you can't fill them? Sure. So it's very rare in our affordable housing sector that we can't fill units and it's a product of what the market is for regular units. So if someone's making $48,000 a year, they'll have choices about where to live. They may not choose this location. So that's ceiling. It's not a floor for what someone they need to be able to earn enough to pay the rent. The rent is between $650 and $700 with all the utilities included. There are no other choices in Amherst at that price point. And the location is great. So if you want to live, if you work at Amherst College or you work at UMass or you work in downtown Amherst and you want to walk or bike to work, you can't beat it. It's a great location. So I think we'll attract some people who are looking for a simple lifestyle where they don't want to have a car. They want to have a small footprint and they just want their own space. It's like a little micro apartment. So I think it will be suitable for a lot of different kinds of people. Common areas are wonderful. They don't always even get used. So again, our priority for square footage is housing people first. Laura, do you have any, what is the policy going to be for visitors that will spend overnight, stay overnight? Right, another hot topic. So typically in, when the units are this small, we don't allow overnight guests in our other buildings. However, we've had a lot of, however, we've had a lot of feedback from people in Amherst in general. One of them was they thought that we should allow overnight guests. So we're trying a compromise where people can have overnight guests for up to three nights if they give notice in advance to property management that they're having someone stay. And as long as it's not a problem for other tenants that that person is there, they don't create problems for other people. But it's tight quarters. These are small units. As Myra is saying, the common area is limited. So it's a balancing act of people having rights to have guests and then other people having rights to have quiet and know who's in their building and not have a lot of strangers. Is that reflected in the lease? It's reflected in, yes, it is in the proposed lease. Yeah. Okay, great. I'd like to address one is I saw on one of the slides a lottery system. And the other part I'd like to address are the adaptable features. So with the lottery, now, how do you envision this lottery system to work so that it doesn't exclude people with disabilities? So you mean the application process itself being inclusive? Yes. So we'll have we'll have written materials. We'll also have trainings, you know, information sessions people can come to and hear about it. People can request assistance with filling out the application. We will translate the application into other languages if people request that of us. So we try to keep it pretty inclusive. Some of the more high need folks will have service providers, honestly, or social workers that will assist them with getting their paperwork together and getting a full packet in. We try to keep the bar pretty low for the initial lottery. So, you know, to try to let as many people in as possible. And then if you flow to the top of that lottery and you're a candidate for a unit, that's when you kind of need to deliver certain paperwork that can be owners for people. That's the whole point of this housing is. They're going to be strict guidelines. I mean, deadlines for when applications have to be in. There are. So we have a marketing period that's usually a few months long with some information sessions. And then there's a point in time with the lottery deadline. You can still apply after that, but you won't be in the lottery. So you'll be at the end of the waitlist that is generated by the lottery. And we'll tell you for the accessible units that anyone needing an accessible unit has almost the highest priority you can have for those units. Because we don't want, we want to match people who need those units with those units. Oh, yeah, absolutely. You don't want someone who doesn't need an accessible. If you're 68th on the lottery, but you need an accessible unit and no one above you does, you're going to bounce above all those folks as long as your income eligible. Oh, so you're not going to have like a separate lottery for the accessible units? No, it's just a preference. Just like the income, you know, everybody goes into a big pool. I mean, there's a lot of ways to do lotteries, but and then there's this kind of a matchmaking that goes on with the different income tiers. And, you know, someone needs a sensory unit or they need a wheelchair accessible unit. We match people up. Or if they have a homeless preference. Can I suggest that we move on because, um, yeah, to the chair because we've spent a lot of time on this project. And I know marming there are a couple of other things, not big things, but there are a couple of other things on the agenda. We're running out of time. Okay, so after this meeting, if anyone has any other comments or questions, feel free to email me or call me and I can redirect them to Laura. But before we move on, there's someone that's raising their hand, David Scott. Should this isn't a public hearing. Jerry, do we want to take public comment? Do we know it? I don't know who David Scott is. Jerry? I'm looking. I don't, I guess I don't have access to other people in the meeting. Yeah, I do as the host. Well, before we, we, and then there's another, there's one person that there's a few people. And then we have a Brian H. that's raising their hand. I didn't know this was open to, I wouldn't have given my address out. Sorry. So before we deal, Jerry, before you respond, whether you want to, there's three people that now are raising their hand and they just joined the meeting. I'm wondering, okay, before we deal with that, Jerry, think about whether you would like to take public comment while I say this next statement. I think this is a great opportunity for the board to make a motion of whether they recommend this project to the ZBA with your suggested comments. Does that, does that make sense? But before, but Jerry, should we take these? Well, all of a sudden, all of a sudden there's like a bunch of people, they're just now joining this meeting. Just joining. I don't know. I don't know what that means. Well, it's almost one o'clock. Is there someone else scheduled? That might just be somebody else using the Zoom. Oh, okay. Well, the first question I would have for everybody who's got their hand up is, are there, are they making comments or questions about the accessibility? Because I know that this project has created a lot of controversy among different people. And there may be people joining in who just want to make comments or questions about the general project. And this really should be focused on accessibility issues. Yeah. And also, this is not a public hearing. And so this, the commission is not required to take public comments. So, since we're up, we're virtually out of time. And the meeting is about the end. I would have, I could, we could ask all those people who have questions or comments to send them. And we'll do our best to either pass them on to Laura and her group or answer them ourselves if we can. Sure. You know what? I'm going to pull up my email address. So bear with me. Hold on one second. I'm just going to go to the Amherst. And sorry, I can't do two things at the same time. So bear with me. I'm going to go to the Disability Access Advisory Committee. And I'm going to share my screen. So people that are watching or that are just joining us, you can, let's see here, can everyone see this? I'm, whoopsies. Oh, okay. Oh, it doesn't show my email. Let's see here. But you can click it, I bet. Yeah. So, yeah, you know what? You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to, um, can you see my word? Can you see my word? Can you see this? Oh, you know what? You see your phone number? This is, I'm going to do something. Hold on one second. Okay. I'm taking my signature from the email. Okay. I'm going to do a new share. Oh, here we go. Can everyone see this? I see your emails, but that's it. You don't see, just nothing. Okay, bear with me. Bear with me. Okay. Oh, you can see it. Okay. I'm going to make this gigantic so everyone can see this hopefully. Better. Okay. All right. So this is my contact information. This is my direct phone number. So if you want to have any comments or questions, you can direct them to this phone number. And now I'm going to highlight my email. So my email is Pollock M at airmersma.gov. So it's Pollock P-O-L-L-O-C-K-M as in Maureen at airmersma.gov A-M-H-E-R-S-T-M-A.gov. And then my direct line is 413-259-3120. And, and now getting back to the comment about making a motion, I have, I have, have written down comments that, that the board has made and questions have provided. And some of the key comments I've heard today is that about the back patio commission committee members would love to see that brick not be used for the back patio, that maybe a concrete as a smoother surface, such as a concrete with a stamp be put down might be better for people with crutches or wheelchairs or strollers. And of course that, that it be shoveled for snow and ice during the winter months. I heard a suggestion about having a beacon at the egresses on the outside for visually impaired. Not only at the egresses. I mean, in any kind of a common Okay, yeah, sure. Okay. So for the common, for the interior common areas and then at the, at the two exterior egresses for tenants and for visitors that have visual impairments. Let's see here. I heard comments about can appliances such as microwave, intercom, HVAC, and washer and dryer, can those be looked into for, for, for those that are visually impaired. So perhaps options that have settings not only touch screen, but maybe can be controlled by smartphones for my dials or dials. Thank you. Okay. What else? What else did I hear? Let's see here. Just where the elevator empties out. Oh, is that a comment or a question? Oh, no, it was, for me, it was a comment to make sure that the elevator empties people out in a place where they can be. Yeah. So as Laura had indicated during a power outage, the elevator would have a backup battery that will, I'm going to stop share the, hold on a second, during a power outage. Yeah, she did say that. That the elevator would bring you to the next available, the next floor and open up. And perhaps Tom will look into whether the person using that elevator can choose which floor they want. And then during a fire, the person would get in the elevator and it would bring you down to the ground floor and it would automatically open. I don't like the perhaps, but otherwise I agree. I mean, if I were in a wheelchair and I got dumped on the first floor and I lived on the second floor would be a problem. Yeah. So Tom will look into that. So I agree completely and it is programmable. So we take note that it should go to the ground floor. Yeah. Okay. I'm just really quickly going through my notes, but those were sort of the major focuses of our conversation. And luckily with Zoom, there's a transcript, automatic transcript of this recording. I haven't downloaded any of them, but I'm going to, this will be my first attempt to download the transcript after this meeting. This meeting has been recorded as indicated and it will be posted on the town's YouTube channel. And once that is IT does that, so that will probably be up on our YouTube channel in the next few days. And I can email everyone a copy if that's helpful. So with all that, does anyone else have any other comments or questions that you want to raise or if there's something that I missed? Yeah, I did want to address the adaptability features in the other units. We never got around to that. I know we talked about the turning radius in the bathroom in the kitchen, but we didn't see, I didn't see the bedroom to see what the measurements are to get around the bedroom. Would everybody be able to see those things on the big document that we have a link to? Maybe. The floor plan? I mean Laura and Tom should have the floor plan right now if you want to take a look. Oh, didn't they have it up already? Yeah, we, yeah, we had the floor plan up. I mean we put, there is space, we threw a lot of furniture in there that doesn't necessarily need to be in there. In terms of the unit and moving around, there is space, they're tight. One area of adaptability that we're always struggling with how best to deal with is the kitchens. We can make, we sometimes make the kitchen, the sink cabinet removable. And then the question is in the unit this small, is it even worth, you would probably, you would want to change over, basically take all the base cabinets out, have a countertop at lower height and have a cooktop. Well, if we're talking about adaptable, I want to, you know, I'm just curious about, again, the five foot turning radius and whether or not cabinets are able to be easily removed, whether or not there is backing in the bathrooms for grab bars. Yeah, we do that anyway. Yeah, we do that. And I think, I was going to say, when these kitchens are so small that we would probably end up removing, you know, the entire unit and section. This is rude. I'm going to have to leave the meeting very soon. So can we Yeah, and I had a question as well. All right, I'm just questioning whether or not that's truly adaptable if we can't, I can't get in or around the kitchen. Well, the kitchen and the bedroom, it's one room. So this turning radius is there, depending on how much furniture you put in that one room. You are verifying that the turning radius is there in the bathroom in the non Well, these, so in the type one unit, you're not required to have a turning radius in the bathroom. They have clearances, the door, what's the conflict with it is the door, I mean, sorry, the conflict is that the door swings in and you're allowed to have an insuming door if you can make a combination that the door swing out. Well, I'll look at my rags and I'm assuming all the light switches are up high enough and the usual stuff in this room around the bedroom to get in and around. Yeah, it's early times yet, so we definitely would appreciate any kind of feedback. I'll do that on my, I'll send that tomorrow. You're muted. Are we ready to make a motion or should this be continued? I would move that we accept the plan as proposed with the comments. What's the second? So you're recommending, you're providing a positive recommendation of the submitted plans as discussed with the comments. Correct. Okay. Based on accessibility, I mean, that's really all that we have the purview. Exactly. Thank you, thank you. This committee is all about so. Right. But with the comments, I mean, we've, we've made a comments toward accessibility. And, you know, what, what the ZBA does with it might have nothing to do with accessibility. Well, there will be also a public hearing if I'm not mistaken, so. There will be. All right. There will be, yeah. And we discussed the comments and so that will be captured in this motion. And I will provide Laura the transcripts and. Thank you. The YouTube video. And again, if, if there's any other comments or questions that you think of again, feel free to call me or send me email and I'll forward them to Laura and Tom and Jan. That would be really helpful. Can we do a roll call? Because actually that is required for Zoom meetings. Could you please, the motion please? Okay. So Ruth is making the motion that the DAC. We provide a positive recommendation for, for the project at 132 North Hampton Road for, for the eight regarding the ADA components of the project. With the, with the comments discussed. I'll second it. Who's that? You, can you say your name please? This is Joe Tringoli. Okay. I'll second the motion. Okay. Second by Joe. And can everyone say their name, say their name and yes or nay? Myra, yes. Elise, yes. Joe Tringoli. Jerry, yes. And Ruth, yes, of course. Okay. Elise, I, I, Sarah and I believe had another meeting. She had a slip out. Okay. And Tori too. And Tori, Tori had a leave. Elise, did you vote? Yeah. I think I said yes. Okay. Okay. So that's one, two, three, four, five, five, five zero, a positive vote. Right. So thank you all. Thank you, Jane and Tom and Laura. Thank you for your time. Thank you very much. Thank you. I appreciate it. Some great comments. Thank you. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you. Thank you. You can decide whether you want to keep meeting or not. I have another, I'm 11 minutes late for my next meeting. Yeah, I got to go. So, okay. Thank you very much. Let's adjourn. Okay. Yeah. Bye bye everybody. I just want to make one comment about the voting. The legislature is dealing with it. And I think that there are going to be, it's going to be possible as it is for servicemen, for people who need to vote online. Okay. Great. Also, I just, okay. Just want to start to interrupt you. Sarah just sent me an email. She was muted. And so it is six zero. Uh-huh. I don't know if that's counting, but I have to go now. But Myra, we'll discuss that at the next meeting. Okay. Okay. Have a great day. Okay. Bye.