 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go Mind pump with your hosts Sal DiStefano, Adam Schaefer and Justin Andrews In this next episode of Mime Pump we start off by talking about how much we could bench-press and lift our top lifts Here's a little and it's impressive and you know make your bets now. Who do you think is the strongest? It's probably me. Yeah, we talk about our past eating routines Find out why Adam used to pound Eggo's and drink rockstar drinks and why I Used to weigh 230 pounds of raw guido beef After that we answer some pretty cool questions. We talk about Why what our take is on eating the exact same food all the time for an entire year your typical classic? Bodybuilding diet. We also talk about soylent Both the food drink and the movie soylent green all you old people know what I'm talking about go Google it We also talk about intermittent fasting and why it's hard to get enough calories when you're in fasting And is it a good idea to use fasting to gain weight or lose weight? Lastly we talk about mind pump breaking up. Don't freak out. It's all hypothetical But what would we do if we left mine pump? Started our own episodes all those topics kick in right after about 25 minutes So the first bit of topics where we're not talking about any questions And we're just getting into the PRs and Eggo waffles is the first 25 minutes Those that want to get right to the nuts and bolts you can fast forward at 25 minutes in and during this this This hour we actually talk a lot about nutrition a lot about fasting I think they came up a ton we have a nutrition and fasting bundle on our website So if you guys are looking for more information related to intermittent fasting inside The guide we break down how each one of us fast with our six different protocols in there how to follow that's a very easy read We also have a nutrition guide that has a calculator in there to break down exactly how many Proteins carbs and fats that you should be in taking every single day and it's full of all kinds information in addition to that We're also revising that so if you purchase it now anything that we add to any of those guides You get absolutely free you can get all that at mind pump media calm I wonder how much I Wonder how I can bench not that much right now Forever I'm wondering the bench a lot dude really yeah my top my top Bench ever what did I do the most I've ever benched was 365 that's good. Now. Was that a body weight of 225 I believe that's the most I've ever benched. I'm trying. I know Justin you hit 405 once right I've never hit four plates What's the most you've ever benched at him? Probably 350 actually I don't think I've done more than 350. Yeah, but I've also done that on incline too You did 350 on incline. Yes, that's not that much So I don't know a lot of people that I like I went on a mission like the last couple when I was competing I was really Working on building My upper chest and so I totally neglected Flat bench because that's all I did for years and I stayed away from it incline because my incline was Significantly we oh, yeah, I got to that point for sure and so then I flipped it on its head And I was like I'm just gonna I'm not had a flat bench hardly ever if anything I did with dumbbells and then I would always incline press and I caught my incline press up to my flat bench press so I didn't really I don't who knows where if I could have progressed my My flat a little bit further. I really think just recently have I Honed in on my bench press technique, you know for years. I was bodybuilder bench pressing elbows out bench Yeah, flaring them out catching at 90 degrees, you know real controlled four-second negative So one thing that I could do like even though I wasn't the strongest, you know bench presser is you know I could control a heavy amount of weight. I didn't power I never 1 1 1 like I didn't start doing like power type lifts until I got with you guys I never did 1 1 1 anything everything. I did was high hypertrophy type base training So I could get under with 275 315 and control it Really really slow and control where when I'd work out with other guys that were maybe stronger than me But they would have to boom like, you know power lifted like that's I didn't have to well a tip it Well, so when I did 365 It was it wasn't I guess it was a long time ago It's so funny when you the older you get the more distorted your your your idea of time Yeah, I was like, oh just like last yeah, I'm thinking about my was like 15 years. Yeah, like 10 or 12 years ago, so When I did 365 actually did a pause I did one and a half second pause at the chest because I Actually thought for a second. I'd compete in powerlifting. Oh Really mm-hmm only because my deadlift I have I I've had exceptional deadlifts and so I thought oh I'm gonna compete and then I realized that I'd lose it everything else, but this is exciting This is a fun conversation What are your and you got to be totally honest? No lying here. Everybody pinky swear. Whoa, what are your top? Like real lifts like not like with good form and that would probably qualify as like a good like what's your best ever? bench press deadlift Squat overhead press front squat like or whatever else you want to say that's impressive like I'm impressed me I've benched on incline and flat 350. That's pretty damn good. I have deadlifted 555 I have squatted 405 and I have overhead pressed. I think I haven't done Back when I used to bodybuilder overhead press which I saw I don't really count that anymore with the 90 I was doing over 225 Wow seated. Yeah, but that was this down to like 90 degrees. Yeah So like I don't really count that right so a full overhead press now I'm like more like 185 has been like a a tough controlled full range of motion standing press So those are probably my my big ones. I struggled for a very long time Squatting like I so that was a big thing for me was to get over 400 pounds squatting and with the type of depth that I'm getting now So like I've made leaps and bounds with that. I came right out the gates Deadlifting pretty well like it's it definitely feed for you. Yeah, it's a long arm Yeah, I think like the I mean the right when I really started getting into deadlifting I shot up to 400 pounds real quick. Yeah real quick I shot up to 400 pounds and then from there it was like, you know building up to over 500 then 550 So that one that that that lift definitely bodes well for my body type. What about you Justin? Hmm, I know you benched 405 bench 405 and that was in college both and then I want to say maybe five years ago and I was on this like kick of just like benching And getting that back in the routine. It took me like a year to ramp up to that But yeah, I kind of go in phases with benching, but like squatting wise I I'm trying to remember. I think I don't think I hit the five-bill mark. I think I came just under that Like 475 range maybe a little bit higher than that But I never deadlifted so that's my weakest lift for sure Like I just literally started doing that. I want to say maybe like five six years ago. So the most I ever I ever did that's probably like four fifty-five something like that and You have a big overhead press overhead press I can do you're really strong the overhead. Yeah That's one of my strongest lifts probably. What was your best? Um 275 holy shit. Yeah, push press push press fuck That's a lot dude the 275 push press and your kettlebell your one-arm kettlebell press pretty you did the one 123 123. Yeah, so was that 16 kilograms? Yeah, that's great. So I did so three I'm almost positive 365 or 355 bench now. Here's a shitty thing about Bench press I chased that for a long time because that was like the lift, right? Like how much can you bench and I because of that I my AC joint on my left shoulder ended up becoming fucked Because I just I don't understand really training those imbalances or whatever as well as I do now I had to get AC joint surgery and I can never I never go above 225 now because I just don't have the stability in my left Shoulder no matter what I do But I did that I did my overhead push press the most I've ever done is 225 Deadlift that I've pulled 600 pounds, but I also weighed 220 something so I was really heavy What was what would be an impressive oh rose I can if I really push rose and I eat a lot I can roll like a fucking horse and I've actually done sets with 315 for for good reps with rose That's overhead press was always my one of my more hard my harder lifts and if you look at my thoracic curve I have like a little bit of an excessive thoracic curve like a little rounding and it makes it hard Like the overhead press part makes it hard. So I lose a lot of strength there when I go overhead But you know where I used to fuck everyone up This is the crazy thing if I worked out with someone and I wanted to be an asshole and like, you know You know cock-strong ego or whatever I would always do a reverse curl because I could reverse curl More I just used to dominate people. It's really really weird. I was I was at one point a weird left to go heavy with Isn't that weird but for whatever reason I got it I got a nasty reverse curl Yeah, I was but I did bicep and tricep fucking four days a week for ten years I was a monster at bicep curls I don't even I didn't even drop that because it wasn't something I was Dude I used to like concentration curls controlled for reps for day I could curl 50 pound dumbbells like crazy. That is one of the most dramatic differences now So crazy all these numbers were talking those are all numbers. I've hit in the last year to two years So I'm I'm at the strongest I've ever been in my life right now at 35 years old which is something I'm most proud of because in the past I trained so much for hypertrophy that I didn't have any really strong numbers with my big lifts I never I never did I never did a neck I never did a lift less than five to eight reps and it was rare that I went that low I was typically in the eight to 15 rep range with supersets and triceps like I was mr. Pump Yeah, and that was how I trained my body all and just recently have I got into heavy lifting if there was anything I lifted really heavy It was like biceps like I curled like crazy. See I I've lost a bit of power and I kind of know that because I Used to actually do a lot of giving your old. Yeah, like cleans and clean and jerks and Like that was I was pretty strong and clean and jerk At one point I did a clean for like 315. Oh shit. I did a clean and jerk for 275 but Yeah, like I that's something that it's so technical and like it's such a skill that like I was doing that Consistently for like five years, you know, just like just repetitious Those specific lifts and I used to have this ability to just if I wanted to just bulk up and I would do this Right, I'd get my body weight up to 220 to 230 All like all the time and get real strong while doing it and a lot of it wasn't muscle I just got real big and you know, God forbid I know there's pictures floating around there on the internet And if someone finds one, I'm fucked. This can be a meme During these periods of time, I also would have long hair So I literally look like and my hair gets kind of wavy and curly a little bit So I look like just a beefy Wrestler I look like a good like an 890 like I need like I need to like I'm driving an I rock and I come out My fucking hair red heart. Yeah, like I just look ridiculous a lot of something a lot awesomeness to me No, and you know, but you know, it's crazy. I don't think I could bulk up now if I wanted to like that I don't think I could handle the amount of food that I ate, you know to do that I'm pretty sure that played a role in my gut problems. It's not is you know what it's The grass is always green on the other side, right? So bulking is really difficult when you have a body type like mine or yours and just like it is for somebody Oh, I forced it. Yeah, it was to for me to what would you eat? I mean, I'm kind of in the same I know you guys have always said that and like it's been hard But like I mean there's been a point where I was having to bulk up for Because they moved me to inside linebacker and I went from outside linebacker and it was like dude shoveling food constantly and just You get to a point where you know that like you just lose balance athleticism It's just become a big just a piece of me juggernaut of Meat, you know, how much what's the heaviest you're you guys have ever been? Because I was surprised you guys in the 45. Wow. Yeah, I've been 240 in the more I mean naked in the morning nothing in my system 235. I got to I got up to 240 and I was a fucking like I was a horse and My staff was when I managed to Santa Teresa and my staff would joke with me because if I got on a stationary bike or something for like five minutes It's not just this big like walking Glob of whatever it'd be amazing to see what I would build if I actually went aggressively like that again because I was 240 and all upper body like my my legs were nowhere the size that they are now Like I carry it my my weight stays pretty consistent between 210 and 220 and that's definitely because of my lower my lower development is like way more than I use I used to if I was off the diet or off a bulking I would drop down to like 180 190 real quick because I would just went away and my upper body right now Is it the smallest it's ever been? There's difference mine stayed on for a long time Oh Back down to reasonable weight again. Oh my god. It took me like a year and a half I had to push it so hard that all I had to do is stop pushing it and I drop 20 pounds But I can tell you I could tell you like Like what a day would look like with nutrition like this is I'm not exaggerating I would I remember I would wake up in the morning and I'm not bullshitting I'd wake up in the morning and I'd have I'd get a punch bowl And I'd eat up fucking Pretty much a half a box of Cheerios with whole milk I'd have 10 whole eggs with cheese and it have a banana that was my breakfast for the rest of the day I would split up about three cups of white rice in two pounds of ground beef That's what I'd eat throughout the day Then I'd come home for dinner and it would be another pound of meat and bowl of pasta and so I mean I was consuming Such a tremendous amount of calories. I remember like I'd I'd be in between clients Like I'd be training client and we finished like 10 minutes early So I had 10 minutes to eat and I'd go in the back and I'd have a bowl of white rice with about a pound of ground beef in it and then I'd take Sauce that I'd buy at the store and I'd pour it on there so that it had some kind of Viscosity so I could swallow it. Otherwise it'd be Transfalls it and I just Oh my god, and I go train my client all existence was to just shovel food But it was I was eating well five of these things a day I can't imagine because it for you it had to been really similar to what I realized was so I struggled with gaining forever And I just thought it was just gonna be impossible never be this big massive guys and when I remember week I got a dick done found the pic Dick, where'd you find that? Oh online. Oh, wow. Everything's online. You know, it's funny That's not a 230 picture trust me You look powerful if you saw a 230 picture you guys would you guys would make fun of me forever So do you remember like I actually so I've been somebody who tracked for a very long time when I Got the body bug and I started like learning like how much my body was burning And I was training like 10 12 clients a day plus I'm training every single day like super intense So I was fucking burning like 5,000 plus calories a day just walking the floor picking up weights moving them like all day So that was so in order for me to build I needed to be eating at least that if not as so I had I would go on these I would go for two weeks like really good And then all it would take is one week of just being not you know Intuitively eating or eating mindlessly and I would just drop 10 pounds like right away because my metabolism was so fast And I was moving so much that I couldn't put this on so the only way I got beyond this was this it was God I think back how bad this was this is this is true story right here Like this is how I got to 240 was I'd start every almost every day like this. I ate a go waffles So I'd have I'd have four a go waffles and They go my egg I'd have and I'd put peanut butter all over them and then drinks them it drench them and syrup and Drink a glass of whole milk that would get that would be like on my way to work So on my way to 24 so then I get a 24 I used to put peanut butter on waffles as soon as I ride the 24 finished so these mills are only about 15 minutes apart So I do that I then I go I'd walk right across the street where we had this little donut shop And I would get to you're talking about San Teresa. Yeah, I would get two of these ham egg and cheese bagels Oh my god I remember those one glaze donut and a rock star a regular rock star and that's what I would start like my My morning would then my prepared meals because then I would always come to work with my chicken and rice Kind of like how you deal with your beef and rice and those would be spread out throughout the day every two hours And then at lunchtime post to work out I would go get a foot long or two sometimes from togos quiz nose or whatever and then after that meal two or three Hours later. I'm having my chicken and rice mills and then at the very end of the day I would drive and I'd stop by McDonald's and I would get a number one plus a Big Mac Plus 20 piece McNuggets to finish my night off Oh, and that would keep me at about a six thousand six thousand a seven thousand calorie intake on a daily basis to keep me in that surplus of like Yeah, what about shakes? So shakes to me ice she throw them in there, right? Yeah, shakes would be in there I used to eat my go-to man Well, I used to eat meals and my drink with my meal would be a shake was a fucking shake That's how I use shakes So shakes for me would be at the end of the night more often than not and it would be to get that extra But I'd have that my I'd have it first thing in the morning before I would did the 6 a.m. Workout and so I would add my weight gainer three thousand five thousand The fuck it was and then you know put in my creatine and then like double up on Like raw eggs. I'm putting in there. I'm putting in like it was just like this cocktail of You know, you're gonna have like horrific farts and shits all day, dude, you know, like I would say class That would that was the start, you know, and then I would eat breakfast after I was done working out and then after that I'd have you know After after I eat all the same talk about the shakes after I eat all this food Like Adam and by the way, I'd have a pro post workout protein shake always regardless of what my diet was right Then at the end of the day now I've had my all my meals and I'm literally at the end of the day every night. I was going to bed like Oh my god, I can't brand like stuff, right? Yeah. No, it's shake time, dude. It's fucking shake time Yeah, I would suck it up buttercup bro. I would buy Either mega mass three thousand because fuck mega mass two thousand. I'm going for three thousand You gotta get all which by the way I figured this out later on mega mass three thousand was the same thing as mega mass two thousand the differences It's a bigger serving size. That's it. So I but I don't know any better. I'm like, oh, this got more calories I'd buy mega mass three thousand Vanilla because I got that's what I was my flavor and I get chocolate all day. I get whole milk I'd put two bananas Probably three tablespoons of peanut butter I throw in a couple of eggs and then I put in and if you remember that the the shakes They came in what looked like a paint bucket. Yeah, literally It was a bucket. Yeah with the same top that you you know, you open a paint bucket You got to kind of get underneath it with your nails and right and then the demons come out And it was a massive it was a massive eight pound bucket of powder but that eight pound bucket of powder had a grand total of 10 servings in there because a Serving was like three scoops, but it wasn't a scoop the scoop was the size of a Shovel like I don't know how to explain it a normal protein powder scoop It would take you four or five to fill up one of these right and it was two or three of these scoops And by the way most that's all it really is most giant giant fucking serving size of protein No, it's not because the protein was always around 50 grams from the protein from the actual powder because I had a bunch more I never pay attention to that. I just was like but what it was was another 100 something calorie 100 or 200 Grams of carbs in the form of maltodextrin So that's all it was was a protein shake with a shit ton of maltodextrin because remember back then fat was bad So there's no fat and it was all carbs and protein So I take this scoop and I throw it in the blender and I I'm not I'm not lying I got so so much in trouble with my my mom and then later on my wife Who'd see it pissed off because I broke blenders because I put these scoops in there with the milk and the Vanilla stuff and I turn it on and then the sound that the that the blender would make would be And you know how you see a shake and it spins real fast No, no This was a slow shake with a very like if you looked at the top of it All you saw was a little bit of a spiral going down because it looked like I was making this is why when it was like Oh the Vitamix the Vitamix and Ninja came out. It was like fucking game. I'll do over so I'll sit there and I Drink it and then take breaks in between I'd put it down and I'm like so thick bro. I'd breathe like yeah Yeah, and the challenge was to not throw up. She's like oil. How fucked up is that that was a challenge I actually still struggled even with all this crap we're talking about was still with putting weight on that I actually bought a and we we have it actually that's the same fridge right there that fridge has been with me for a Long time. That's your shake fridge. It was and I had I used to buy myoplex ready to drink shakes And appropriate muscle milks and I used to keep them next to my bed and then I'd set my oh fuck you I did the same thing like three At three o'clock in the morning people doing that my alarm would go off I would with my eyes closed literally just roll over open the fridge pound the shake put it back down Go back to sleep. I'm reading what the guy like What's his name Hugh Jackman that was playing Wolverine like that was his thing like he had to wake himself up and have like shakes and all that You know what the irony of all that is the irony is sleep is one of the best things you could do to build muscle So you're interrupting your sleep. Yeah to drink some bullshit Well, the one thing that I can say to it as far as because I got big there's no doubt in it I got big from it What I think is best about all of that was or the takeaway from for me was the regimen like having a Detailed regimen that I would follow and I and I took a lot of that and applied it to when I got into competing now When I got into competing I was far more educated and experienced and so I didn't do any of that type of stuff to get right, which is funny, right? So the best aesthetic shape I've ever been in my life had nothing to do with any of that Well, no because that stuff just makes you big bloated and fat and sloppy which is what I feel like a lot of guys Look like inside the gym that are trying to build and feel like he is they're just puffy You know, they're all puffy because they're they're trying some antibiotics They're taking tons of shit and they just put on some mass and size most of its water and shit so But what it did teach me was this like this I need to be structured and you know Measuring weighing doing all that that is what because otherwise I always Underestimated the amount of activity I was doing and I always overestimated the amount of nutrients that I was getting Which is still applies to today and I just recently discussed this that you know We talk openly about you know the anti You know supplement industry and how much they push protein on everybody because you know bodybuilders now are taking two three grams per Body weight, which is just ridiculous, but for a guy like me Who naturally gravitates the carbohydrates or naturally just doesn't eat like I can go for hours and not consume a meal and then I'm at it's five o'clock and I'm at a total of six hundred calories for the day and A guy my size needs to eat four or five thousand calories to keep building that's just not happening You know that so I would have to put in this put in this structure in place in order to continue to build and Get all the nutrients that I need so I do understand We're some of these young guys that are trying to build mass or build most and young girls Same thing too and they struggle with putting mass on because they're not they're not eating enough and they need They need to put some sort of structure and the first thing I always tell people This is where the tracking but did wonders for me having a having a tool like a Fitbit or a body bug or whatever fucking tool you like that's as long as it's pretty accurate and Tracking how much you're actually burning how much you're actually consuming and then structuring your day around that to make sure You're getting the vital nutrients that your body needs to build, you know, excellent The bird is the word Today's quads being brought to you by Chimera coffee It's the only coffee that is infused with all natural Neutropics for a cleaner calmer and more focused buzz without the crash put the Chimera link at mind pump media comm and input the discount code Mind pump a check out for 10% off First up is Beach Cruiser 83 Is it bad to eat the exact same healthy body-building meal plan every day over the course of the year? Healthy yeah, first of all, it's not healthy. So even if you eat a great Diet even if you map out and you're like, these are the perfect foods macro nutrients calories You know vegetables whatever For the day. So now I'm gonna eat them the exact same Portions and foods every single day for every single meal, which is what old-school bodybuilders used to do and I do that for a year That should be excellent, right wrong Here's some debtor now here's some positives to that the positives are you're gonna eat the right amount of calories and macro nutrients The negatives are eating the same exact foods all the time is gonna malnourished You can create some some serious food intolerances if you have any type of inflammation in your gut You are gonna you're very likely to produce Antibodies to the foods that you consume all the time and become intolerant to them I've had many clients who I've worked with who we've identified fooling food intolerances for them And they're like, but I always eat that food, you know, like I haven't intolerance the bananas like I always eat bananas Like well, that's probably why you have an intolerance and you got to keep in mind that the body the human body Evolved eating what was around which meant you followed the seasons and you followed the terrain and the animals around you We didn't understand farming Until I mean from a evolutionary standpoint relatively recently and with farming the invention of farming our food choices became Very very very narrow and to this day They still are very narrow the major crops and foods that we grow today are limited to a few things like soy corn wheat You know, that's pretty much it right, but it wasn't like that for mostly human civilization So the body kind of thrives on Variety so aside from having the right macros and calories You want to give yourself variety now? That's not to that's also not to mention all the These these micronutrients and these phytonutrients and compounds that are found in foods That you don't get in other foods for example when you eat foods that like, you know This that you eat vegetables at a purple there's certain phytonutrients that give it that purple color that you'll only get from Purple vegetables that you won't get from orange or yellow or green vegetables They have other benefits So variety is is incredible and I've seen lots of people mess themselves up by doing not to mention the mental fuck Why don't we talk about that? Well first first? I'm gonna play devil's advocate a little bit here because You got to also take it into person. What about the person who? You know and I was an example of this Was eating Taco Bell at Certain time and then I was eating ego waffles and drinking rock stars and Days would go by and I would miss vegetables Like this was a very normal eating pattern for me and then all of a sudden I decided I'm gonna get on this Healthy body-building meal plan where I'm having tilapia asparagus or whatever Who is doing more harm to their body? If we're if we're doing a versus yeah, you know, yeah, think about that now Well, that's easy. It's an easy answer But in the let me tell you what the problem with that is the problem with that question That question is always or that statement is always what's used to defend something so I'll give you an example of how that may be used in other aspects of life. So like if I If smoking cigarettes to say I smoke five cigarettes a day and someone's like, hey, man You need to stop smoking five cigarettes a day and I'm like, whoa, I used to smoke a pack a day So it's way better now. I'm managing it. And that's not the point, right? Definitely eating. I was doing heroin Yeah, definitely eating the regimen and diet probably gonna be better for you over the course of a year than eating a shitty diet over-consuming calories and a lot of other stuff But the question isn't you know, what's better? The question really is is it is it a great? Yeah, but I think that's important to make that clear because When we come out and say that you know eating a healthy body-building meal plan is not ideal It's not healthy for you could have all these issues with your gut and so on and so forth what you mentioned Then does that detour the kid or someone who was considering doing that? Who has no structure right now and is eating Taco Bell? Ago waffles and drinking rock stars. Well, that's one. Yeah, that's one point I think the other point is just like ease, you know ease of the mental piece to it Like so if I can stick within a regiment that's not you know full of variety and I have to think about my next move as much I know and like in the competing world, right? You can voice in Adam, of course with this Where it gets to the point where I mean you You're basically like you have this mental fog about you going throughout, you know the process the more intense It gets you know towards the end and restrictive So, you know, I feel like some of that has to do with the fact that they don't they just want to have it in a little box It has to have like, you know your macros or this this and this and it's consistent And that's what I'm putting in and done. I'm done. I don't have to think anymore. Yeah, I think If there's steps there's steps towards You know a healthier lifestyle and if you're at this if you're at the step where you're eating Just haphazardly you don't know what's in food a lot of people are like that, right? They have no idea really not really aware what's in food They're eating kind of crappy like you're saying Adam eating the Taco Bell and they go waffles and all that stuff The next step that I would coach someone on and this is usually how I coach people is I start by Making them track and being on a more regimented schedule. That's the next step it's better than what they were doing before and They get to understand what's in food and control it and it becomes conscious They're consciously aware of what's going on But the step after that would be a move away from that because if you stay in that, you know, like let's look But let's talk about the mental piece. Could you imagine the the There's no doubt that It's not creating a healthy relationship with food because then you'll forever and this is what's is so apparent in the bodybuilding world is that All these athletes that get into this 2% and have the most they're in the most amazing shape of their lives forever they have these and What they did to get there is a not a realistic lifestyle that they can live forever They had to and they always associate that process with that so that's a big formula exactly so that creates a very poor connection to food and Exercise and training and dieting with that. Oh if I ever want to get in shape I got to do this which which leads later on to this yo-yo With no different than the super obese person. You just happened to yo-yo back and forth between You know 20% and 5% 20% 5% where you binge after you get off of dieting this certain way You let yourself go so far then you go like, oh my god I'm getting fat now. I need to get back to my Tupperware meals where I eat asparagus and broccoli, you know I'm saying like so it you lean on it. No doubt it is It's not that far different though to me than the IFYM thing is I and I'm like it has more flexibility Yeah, I'm looking at this question. I'm wondering what would I rather take on as a client Would I rather get somebody who came to me and they were the healthy bodybuilding clean eaters and they that's all the way That's how they eat then they've been that way for a long time or the II FYM person and Who would I rather take on and who am I gonna need to put the most amount of you're gonna have a better transition Yes, and that's a very that's a tough one. I think I would almost say II FYM is a Half a step ahead of the eat the same food all the time possibly. It's like a progression. I'll tell you what I don't know either because I don't know about that because I think that they're making priority for the junk to Repeat its way into you know the cycle, but at least they understand a little bit of Flexible I don't know it's tough because taking someone from knowing nothing about food and teaching them how to track Mm-hmm and eat certain foods and having structure believe it or not I found to be easier. That's an easier step to take then taking someone who tracks everything and has it all ironed out Whatever from there to intuitive. That's a fucking hard. That's what I'm working a lot with right now With some of the online people that I work with is now. I've got to take you from this tracking To and I've there's a bunch of steps that I've designed In between to get them to that intuitive eating, you know part, but it's a hard It's a hard decision. Here's the other thing you here's what you want to consider to like the body We've said this a million times on mine pump is an adaptation machine your ability to adapt your body's ability to adapt really is closely tied to your overall health and longevity and You know, here's the connection to that if I eat a keto diet all the time, okay, and they do a Gut test on me and they test my microbiome. Okay, my microbiota What they're gonna find is the majority of the bacteria that they're gonna find in my gut is There to break down fats and I'm gonna have very little You know a bacteria that's there to break down Starches and carbohydrates so you become less efficient I become very my body has become so efficient and adapted to the keto diet that I've lost a lot of that variability With my with my microbiome and this is a fact by the way that you will you'll see this in people who eat a particular way all the Time now is that good? Well? No, it's it's no different than anything else that you do with your body where you you Prevent your you almost take away your body's ability to adapt to things because if you take someone who's eating keto For years and we're super strict on it. Give them a high carb meal healthy carbs Give them a high, you know, give them a bunch of sweet potatoes rice, whatever They're gonna have really bad gut issues. Yeah, right away They've lost their their ability to adapt to those foods In fact, I've had to tell people to slowly introduce certain things so that they can build up other Bacteria and their gut and get their body's ability to digest and break things down So eating the same exact foods is really no different and this is why I I try to do variety all the time Where I do my vegan days and I'll have days where I eat more carbohydrates And I do tend to trend more towards the higher fat days because on the other levels I you know the other things in terms of my mind and all that inflammation I just feel better on those but you don't want to you don't want your body to lose its ability to adapt To different you know different foods. So There's a lot of reasons why it's not a good idea to be no I think we I think we all agree that it's it's not healthy. In fact, you know I know that if I am actually was created as the counterculture to the Crazy healthy body building eat the same thing over every single day I don't think that you're gonna see one person who was eating shitty terrible food if all sudden decide Hey, I'm gonna start eating this way Super strict. In fact, there's probably a lot of health benefits to that person. It's gonna see better And bet better markers at the at the beginning initially But no if you do that then you got to know that eventually you you you want to transition away from that Into a where you're rotating your foods. I think that that we're all in agreeance with that, right? Yeah, and I think it's it's the mindset of like seeking out foods that are gonna Benefit my body's health and well-being like that's I mean that's such a It it sounds like vague, you know to a lot of people that need structure and they need something that's like easy and repetitive But but and in all in that changes what food it does change. That's the thing right to cycle it in You know, you know what this this again We've had so many questions and sooner or later. I'm gonna get motivated and I've I am I've said this before I must say it again Because maybe if I get enough people pushing me to do it. I would love to do this with you guys I've always wanted to create a diet that flips dieting on its head. It's the opposite of dieting In fact, it is a diet design towards going anti diet diet going after food If you were to look at all the types of foods that have all these great health rather than saying don't eat this Yes aim for the aim for this many in the week aim for this many in the week I've skipped, you know, because I haven't eaten this in the diet. I got to go seek that. Yes And I bet if you the maps anti diet if you flip the diet protocol on its head instead of trying to restrict from certain things And and instead of looking at it like that There's a ton of things that your body Gets a ton of nutrients from and can you go after that and then giving people guidelines of how much you're trying to get At least that in there I bet you most people would struggle with getting all those things in their diet on a weekly basis Very interesting actually that's I think is brilliant because it is if you give if you and if you make a little rule and they're like Hey, whatever you want We don't care so long as you hit these things that you're supposed to chase You're probably gonna be pretty macro and micronutrient You'll probably be you'll probably be satiated and set and satisfied and less likely to overeat anyway, right? I think it'd be cool. All right. Our next question is from primal holistic fitness again the opposite What is your take on soylent and drinking all of your food, you know, this question reminds me of people remember in the matrix when What's his name agent focus and staying? Oh, yeah, not Neo, but God I can't remember I can't believe I phrase him anyway Smith Smith, okay. He's a Smith. Yeah, he he's telling them how they the computers or the artificial intelligence Created the first matrix and it was perfect. Mm-hmm. It gave you everything you wanted It was utopia, but it crashed because the human mind nobody believed in it couldn't accept it And what's fascinating about that statement is that? Imagine it's kind of true, right? Imagine if you lived in a Prison a jail you're not allowed to leave you can't do anything, you know, but you have all the food You know perfect food you have you know the sleep or whatever Here you go. You're in here. We control everything, but it's everything that you need How happy would you be right you be miserable? And that's the psychological aspect of soylent and drinking all your food I think and there's a there's a health aspect and a physiological one that we'll get into but I think from a psychological standpoint it's never worked liquid food has been around forever and It's from a psychological standpoint. I can see how some people are drawn to it People who are like I don't want to worry about food. I just want you to tell me what to eat exactly You ain't can't live that way the appeal of it really was for Programmers and developers for them so they didn't have to leave their desk to go to lunch It's this became like a competitive thing like who could Marder themselves, you know and like finish these projects, you know in a more timely manner And this is just like I mean the Silicon Valley has gone through a lot of different waves but this is definitely one of those things that kind of took popularity because It's very competitive, you know, it's competitive to keep your job and This became kind of a movement where Well, I could just get all the nutrients I need, you know right here at my desk and have it like boom I just I just ate everything I needed right then. That's five minutes whatever. I'm back to productivity So now isn't Soylent like a it's a take on the movie Soylent Green. It must be right Yeah, and for those of you, it's an old movie. It's made of people There's caution there. You know, you just gave away the end of the movie. It's a sci-fi movie. You should watch it I don't know why you name your company Soylent. I know No idea. Yeah, Charlton Heston rolls his eyes, but you know from a physiological standpoint, there's certain enzymes Great their website is. Oh, literally, it says on the website eating is easy engineered nutrition You know freeze up your time as if eating was this horrible asshole. Yeah, such as pain in the ass Food 2.0. It's completely advertised towards How do you hang out with people when you eliminate food? Well, this it feeds into the the gaming culture too, right Justin exactly isn't it big with that like I'm sure like Game away for 15 hours now from a physiological standpoint like there's certain enzymes that your body You know has it uses break it breaks down certain foods that it replenishes and it becomes it can deplete There's certain micronutrients and phytonutrients and things and food that I guarantee you are not in this There's things in food. We haven't even identified There's combinations of things and food that we don't know how to interact with the human body You need to understand just how complex the process of eating food and assimilating food is and we still know there's still a lot We don't know about it. So there is no Who knows maybe in the future when you know artificial intelligence becomes so hyper intelligent that it could literally design food for us But we're nowhere near that so there's a lot of things. You're not getting Well, isn't that I mean just the whole process of chewing and you know what I mean like like Digesting like the whole like in a slow enough fashion Processing is part of the process. That's part of the digest. You're skipping a part of skipping it Like you're just accelerating it right to like hoping that it you're just gonna absorb this, you know, and I Just I mean have you guys seen the movie Wally? Yeah, come on like what motivation? I don't know food is so ingrained in in movement, too I mean, it's it's there's a whole process to that that we're just gonna like cut this off and just drink like I just see like Red flags and I tell you this right now I'll bet all the money in the world that the vast majority like vast majority of people who are committed to Just having soil in every day the vast majority at some point are gonna go off of it And they are going to have set their bodies up horribly for processing real food And they're also gonna set up their minds horribly because they've now done this this this this thing for with their brain where they're just Drinking their food. They're not chewing. They're not utilizing their body the way that evolved To be used and now we're gonna listen to music. He stopped, you know going to movies like that's just you know Well, I honest to God think that it's very irresponsible of them to advertise this as a you never have to eat food again I really really do I think it's a horrible advertising. Well, I think this the key the person asking is a trainer I think right I believe I believe he's a trainer or her I'm not sure but I the way they worded the question was like I think they had a client that is as was interested in this drink or purchased it or whatever and Here's the if you have a client or somebody who who wants to take these drinks I think addressing the drink itself and does it have because all they're gonna have all these You know studies that support. Oh, you can get the same nutrients or this or that bullshit You can go around around circles debating it the relationship that this person has With food is what needs to be addressed like there's and there's some either Psychological stuff that they either are dealing with like I had a client who actually Wanted me to let her drink this and I remember like it happened to also be my client that had like the worst relationship This is the same thing as like saying fuck I'm I'm so sick of like I'm so sick of relationships with people I'm just gonna jerk off all the time and never date anybody myself. It's the same the unabomber It's the same thing if you look at food like it's a fucking hassle. It's horrible I just want to drink it and get it over with so I can work That is a problem That is exactly the mentality of the client that I'm talking about which leads me to give that advice is that There's something it's not about debating with your client or trying to educate them on how much more Healthier it is for you to actually chew your food or find whole foods kind of all the the spiel at Salam That's true. Okay, but what needs to be really dove into is the Relationship that this person probably has with food that this would even be an option that they would want to it to do So I would address that above all things. I mean sure it make it's not gonna kill you overnight Sure, it has some nutrient value to it sure all those things But why would you even want to go that route and what type of person would ask that then the person that you just described Sal is literally to a tee that's the mentality of the client that I had was just like oh just this whole Food thing is just so annoying trying to figure out. Oh, yeah, it's just so much too much. I'm too busy I got too much going on. I just need something simplified for me Just put a catheter in me because I can't I can't be bothered to go take a pee Same thing stadium buddy. There's a plug Show notes. Yeah Amazon right? Yeah, sure Quick interruption by our sponsors you guys lots of people been asking us how they can support the mine pump mafia family Our first one is our Chimeric coffee that we love you guys go to Chimeric coffee dot-com That's Chimeric with a K for 10% off. 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It is not a way to diet it is not a way to Get the right amount of macronutrients and calories or whatever Intermittent fasting itself has health benefits and just leave it at that So yeah, if you're doing it so often That you are losing more weight than you like and you're just having tough time get all your calories in Yeah, you stop intermittent fasting It should not be used for those for those things at all So I have clients that I have fast and the but the reason why I have them fast is either because of inflammation Or because I want to reintroduce certain foods and I want to go through a baseline Or because I want to see them, you know, what happens to them on a mental level With with the fast like okay, I haven't eaten in 24 hours like what's going on psychologically How do you feel? What are the foods you crave? Like what's the first meal that you eat? And then of course we have the you know the physiological health benefits fasting promotes cell death From old cells when you go and refeed your body then Rebuilds and replenishes those cells and you have this kind of rejuvenated system I myself in fact as we're recording and going through I'm probably going to do a 48 hour fast I'm going to see if I can do a 72 hour fast now. I'm not doing this To get leaner to lose weight or any of that stuff. I know I'm going to lose Weight I know I'm probably going to lose strength during that period of time But the reason why I'm doing it is I've been dealing with for the past couple weeks Gut issues that are just just really frustrating and I know First of all not eating is going to give my gut time to heal because that doesn't have to digest So I'm thinking I have some inflammation there that should go that should go away, but number two I do know that a nice chunk of my immune system is going to become new literally There's going to be recycled the old ones are going to die and the new ones are going to be rebuilt And I should have less in the auto immune response when I eat and that's how intermittent fasting should be used There's also the mental Clarity component that people get when they when they fast. I get it, you know myself. I notice that I get much more clear During the fast, but when yeah when people are like, oh man, I'm fasting, but I'm just losing too much weight You know, what do I do? It's like, okay, stop fasting for a little while. Yeah, you know I don't I never recommend if I got a client because if you're worried about getting enough Calories in it sounds like you're somebody who's trying to build or put weight on or put size on I don't recommend intermittent fasting. If you struggle with getting enough calories and getting enough food in Restricting for a 17 hour or 15 hour window in the middle of the day is not advantageous of that. So It's extremely difficult for especially a guy my size to get the amount of calories and food I need to To build and gain. So that's why I only do this maybe maybe once a week And I tend to do this on days where I'm less active now I've had people and professionals say that oh, I think it's it's you know It would be better to do in a day when you're more active this net Well, I I don't want to lose a bunch of weight from it I want to do it for the health benefits of it and that's the only purpose why it's even into Into my routine and why I have it in my clients. I'm not paying attention to the scale I'm not worried about the grams of protein. I'm getting that day and not worried about the grams of fat I mean more than likely I'm going to under consume on all of them. You're fasted. You're fasted for a majority of the day More than like which is kind of part of the point. Yeah It's the the idea is that I'm I'm grossly under on all those things and I'm not worried about it And I'm not and I and what I think people struggle with Is getting beyond that and that fear of oh my god. I didn't hit my protein intake for today I didn't hit my caloric intake today two pounds of muscle is going to fall off my body that I worked so Hard to build like no it doesn't work that way and that's not going to happen to you So and just because the scale drops down three or five pounds. It's not because of that It's because you haven't consumed any food you're lower on your calories You're not retaining for every for every gram for every three grams of carbs that you have in your body Your body will hold three ounces of water So if you're on this super low calorie intake for the day Just think and just think of how little of water your body's holding that much and then if you ever set A half a gallon or a gallon of water on a scale and see how much it weighs It's a lot of weight like I think it's like 12 pounds 8 to 12 pounds, you know a gallon of water I think there's still a place for it You know wow like in a surplus or like I'm in a bulking thing. Oh, I still do while bulking so that's important to bring up though because You know, there's a way that you can do it where you're over saturated. You're just um, you know, you're retaining water all these types of things where now I want to Restrict, you know for for a certain window and then I can assimilate everything so much more effectively. So Um, there really is a performance element there 100 as well 100 and this is so you get similar Okay, when they've studied these side by side Intermittent fasting and carb cycling get some similar benefits Uh, and so anybody who's carb cycle before and knows what it's like to go low low low two or three days in a row And then the refeed that anabolic feeling you get or that massive pump or how you just feel so great after that quote-unquote refeed day that you get is a similar feeling that you'll get if you just implement fasting Once a week or once every week and then go back to eating again You'll get this surge and that like Justin saying this increase of performance of growth hormone gets shot up You're going to feel like you're all cleaned out and then you get all all those carbohydrates go to good use So intermittent fasting carb cycling they have similar benefits very uh, The same type of concept even if you are bulking. I think you can utilize it But then while you're doing it you're not really concerned Uh in that day and this is also why I'm not a big fan of actually intermittent fasting every day I know a lot of people I've seen it on our forum a lot They do every day they do this like intermittent fasting and to me I think when you've done that for a long period of time Your body's probably gotten pretty efficient at your eating windows. Yeah, I've actually got yeah so I was going to voice in a little bit of going through that struggle because You know realizing that uh, we can this move over into this new location Like how much less we're moving from not training as many clients or you know not being as active Like that has been a somewhat of an answer to me to repeat a couple times a week intermittent fasting and You know and that was a great way to to monitor and manage, you know, where my weight was kind of coming up or down Um, but like you said now it's at a point where it's too efficient and I need to interrupt that process And so you have to evaluate That and it's but it does have great health benefits So it's something I'm going to repeat in the future, but I have to step out No, I mean from a health standpoint you're you're probably better off doing it here and there Intermittently right and having You know wider gap of intermittent times longer fast. So and I'm just talking about the science. So You know, let's say, you know once or twice a week you intermittent fast where you don't eat until 2 p.m Right, maybe do that once a week and by the way the individual variants in terms of the ability to handle fasting is pretty dramatic So I know people who they can fast too much and they'll get some really negative effects women in particular So it's really on an individual basis But just speaking, you know, just general, right? Let's say you did intermittent fasting, you know Once or twice a week and that's just what you did for the most part And maybe once every three months or four months you do 24 to 72 hour fast You're going to get different benefits from those long fasts as well and that I'm talking about from a purely health standpoint in terms of the anti-cancer effects the immune, you know health effects You know all those different types of things, but here's something else you want to consider When you fast And I hate to say this because then people use it to diet But it does make getting leaner easier and I'm not talking about the calorie aspect of it. I'm talking about the Appetite control. Yeah, the way your body the way your brain actually Receives food the or perceives food. So I notice when I fast and then I go eat food foods that are That I may think are normally bland will then all of a sudden explode with flavor because I've Upregulated certain receptors. I get a dopamine response again. So now I'm going and eating things that normally feel a little boring to me And it's so delicious and this may be useful for some people who Find eating quote-unquote, you know, healthy whole foods boring, you know, a good fast typically will Hype those things up get those, uh, you know, those receptors up regulated and get those tastes You know receptors or taste sensors to kind of become more sensitive and now you eat, you know, broccoli or something else You're like, wow, this is really good Next up is rumo third If mind pump were to break up and you all went your separate ways to create individual podcasts dare you What would be the focus and the name of your individual podcasts? That's hilarious This is great because we were literally the reason why I picked this question was we were we're gonna break up No, we were later guys. We were talking about um segmenting The future of podcast the future of the show like so eventually The podcast having, you know, five to seven days of of podcast or potentially having a separate channel for each one of us And that we'd have topics. Yeah, because right now we have four podcast episodes a week But we would like to at some point be able to drop seven so like every single day There's something new and like adam was saying it some of them would be segments to segmented to be Just one of us and it would be something that wouldn't be fitness related Yeah, because I think we all recognize that there's probably a ton of people out there that love to listen to Sal and absolutely hate To hear me talk and I'm sure there's most people love Justin but are annoyed by Sal and I so We we understand that there's certain people that gravitate towards One or the other and want to hear more of what that person has to like For example, I think uh, we talked about so well Sal first of all, what do you think you're as personal before? so I have a lot of passions and So what's funny is I actually considered doing a podcast. I wanted to do podcasts or something something like that A long time ago and it wasn't fitness. Uh, of course, I've always been in fitness, but I also have a deep passion for Uh current events politics economics kind of that that's fear And um, I would want to do a podcast where I discuss those things where I talk about Um, you know world politics, uh, us politics, uh, economics Um, you know, uh societal, you know and cultural events, you know, things that pop up, you know in the news Discussing them what they mean, you know, uh navigating through those things I can be extremely opinionated and polarizing if you've been listening to mind pump for longer than two minutes You probably know this already And um, those categories are areas where My opinions are just as strong As they are in fitness and I have huge passions for them I would love To do a podcast where I talk about that stuff. I would absolutely love to debate those things. I'd love to debate economics I'd love to debate peace. I'd love to debate Equality freedom, you know, uh, so just the things that are just moving culture In different directions, whether it's forwards or backwards I'd love to talk about them and in the philosophies behind them and You know get objective and look at what works what doesn't work Um, and I'm pretty sure I piss everybody off. I tend to disagree. That's at some point with everybody Um, and uh, it would just be fucking fun for my standpoint. I don't know if it'd be fun to listen to I'm sure like I said at some point I'd irritate everybody, but that would be 100% What I would want to talk about on my separate podcast Yeah, so for everybody that you know loves the information and like just the the plethora of knowledge that You know sell an atom and you know, everybody's bringing into the table Uh That can't stand the humor and the entertainment side of it. They just want to fast forward to the beginning My podcast would not be for you Fuck you yours would be the beginning of my yeah, no mine. Yeah, literally would be way more way more dick jokes Way more like the beginning but uh, a little more format to it. Um, where we we sort of dive into um science fiction film and like, um, we we just have more fun skits like more comedy based uh purely entertainment kind of We're not trying to teach you anything But just just kind of silly and Lighthearted and and that kind of a thing. So that's that would be something that I would I would I would love to to just you know, just just have fun and and dive into that as well as this so Um, yeah, you didn't say what yours was called. Did you? Oh, uh, I don't know if I want to say the name because He already has a name. I already have a name too, bro. Yeah, I want to hear him So I actually own the I own the domain well then do why you worried you're good No, and then you know because I don't know if I'll go with it. Oh, you're right You know, we should probably wait. Yeah, why so I don't know Well, I mean, I'm the only one that doesn't really have a name. I'll come up with one But I'm married to it. You know, I mean, what do you what do you're not going to give it out for what? No, there was a name that I there was a name that I enjoyed for all I was called angry liberty And it was just because I was I was pissed off and I like to talk about it. I like that's fire, dude I I'm definitely I mean, you know, I don't make any any secrets that I'm uh, you know very very strong believer in individual liberty, um and the the The peace and prosperity that economics, um has brought to the world as much as there's a lot of problems with it Um, there's there's it's really done an incredible thing for for mankind. Like I hate it when people say shit like You know money is evil Um because money is just a tool like money itself is nothing I could put pile of money on the table And it'll never kill anybody or hurt anybody It's people that can be good or evil money is just a brilliant way of transferring You know, uh value of goods or whatever like if you have chickens and I have You know, uh, you know logs and you want logs and I want chickens. Well, there's no problem there We could trade but what if I want, you know, if I want to buy tires But I have logs and you have chickens. How do I get how do I, you know, get value from you So I can get those logs, you know the that product over there. Well money money represents all that So that's just a little little rant there. But um, those are the kind of subjects. I like to tackle I like that name. Did you what you're are you gonna give your name? Justin or what? Yeah. Yeah Well, we're thinking around like no onions just because it's like so random and uh My friend and I kind of came up with that a long time ago No, I think it'd be appropriate because people would be like, huh, what does that even mean? And that's the point, you know You don't even know what it means the whole fucking show You don't know what it means. Is that like is that like a play on words? Like because then you have to peel back so many layers to get to it's like there's no fucking all of that And I hate onions the beginning. It's no worked out peeling back. It's just in your face smells, you know All this format smells. I swear to god. It smells bad. No onions Oh, shit If I would do first, I just want to point out though That I would never do an individual podcast Probably one of my greatest fears believe it or not as much as I fucking ramble and talk is to have Dead air or dead space and one of the things I love about having these two gentlemen is When there is a time that I feel like I don't have anything to contribute Or I feel like I don't have something really intelligent to say about that I feel that one or the other will and I and that gives me that makes this No stress. There's no stress when I when we do mind pump it. I absolutely enjoy every minute of it It's very therapeutic. It doesn't take a lot of work for me. It's very natural I think if I had to do my own show, it would take a lot more work There would be a lot more stress involved. There'd be a lot more pressure To give just constant information all by myself So I just want to put that out there that that would probably never happen If I were to segment it though or do something that I think just I would talk about by myself It would either be somewhere in the the world of bodybuilding or business Or maybe both maybe it would be the business of bodybuilding or bodybuilding business And maybe that would be the name. I don't know But I think that I would double beast. Yeah, maybe it would be double beast Yeah, I think I could I could get into Um I could get into talking about that for quite some time. I would love to share Uh, a lot of my you can have a coast. Yeah, I mean, I know exactly Exactly. I think well, I think I would have well, why wouldn't be that would most people do that a lot of Joe Rogan's I don't know how people do Yeah, but they would have guests on I don't think Joe I don't think they ever really do a lot of episodes Oh, yeah, well, no, I think that of course we would have guests But I even then even having there's a difference between me interviewing a guest by myself versus having two or three co-hosts Absolutely, there's yeah, yeah Yeah, I mean So yeah, no brainer that I would be interviewing somebody or have some sort of a co-host I still I'll say you just be by yourself. I still everybody Yeah, I Hi days 36. This is me again. This is me again I don't know if I could feel that fill that much air up, but Um, I do think that there's a lot to uh, there are a lot that I have to share in in regards to business kind of A lot of the pitfalls that I went through a ton of books that I've read that I've enjoyed a lot of people that I've learned from All the different weird businesses that I've had and the ones that have been successful The ones that have failed. I think I could talk for a really long time about that stuff And I just became Recently extremely fascinated with the bodybuilding world and I if you were to ask me that five six years ago I've always been somebody into business But five six years ago. I would have no desire to talk about bodybuilding but Going through what I've gone through now and seeing that side and I I found a connection to it I enjoyed the shit out of it and then I also saw so much wrong with it I could talk for hours about All the different issues that I have with it and the things that I think need to change and be better So because it's a little bit related to mine pump It would be I think it would be probably easy to get guests and stuff. You know, I mean to be able to do that Yeah, well even business. I feel like we've had some really good Entrepreneur minds on here and I think I could go that way and then we could be guests I'd love to have you guys on my show Yeah, that'll be fun. We'd be guest hosts on each other But I I do want to say that put you in wigs and all that shit Both of you have obviously thought about this more than I have and both of you have better names than I do I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to come up with a circle back to you Yeah, I'm gonna have to come up with a more the fact that this guy's already got his trademarked And then Justin's been talking about it. It's got the domain. It's got the domain So they have put sounds been playing this escape. Yeah, I was gonna say obviously they've been thinking about I better start thinking about in case we break up because I thought we were gonna be together as a band forever But I better wash out for fucking Diana Ross over here because Adam's an optimist. I don't know what she's gonna go on Do you have a do you have a co-host in mind already Justin? Yeah, we would probably be my friend from from high school Yeah, just because he's he always talks to me about like I mean This is the guy that we've been like trying to write an actual science fiction novel with forever And that would be half of the premise of the show would be like us in our stupid conversations that like Everybody like my wife just rolls her eyes, you know when we start talking about it because we're so passionate about it You know, you know, it's funny when you do that too. You think like oh my god If only people could hear us. We're so awesome that people listen There's not going to be as like as many people into that show I don't know man. You're pretty fucking hilarious that vlog that we recorded at paleo fx Man, your bits were and it's all natural. That's just Justin. I have I have I just two people I would Consider as co-host. I don't want to say there. Jesus Christ. You guys have thought a lot about this You fuckers. I've actually talked uncomfortable. I'm gonna come into work one day and you gotta be like, oh by the way No, you know, you know, both of them. I can't I don't want to Doug and I are gonna start one. Fuck you guys Yeah, that sounds good the Doug and Adam hour or Adam yells at Doug the whole time Well, you know what the only one that's gonna come out is Adams because he's got the producer Yeah, I'm smarter with my car No, this this one girl the friend of mine that man if she if we got on a political, you know podcast Guarantee you she would get she would piss. She's like, oh my god. Do you want to talk about polarizing? She is fucking fire piss and her voice is so soft and sweet and then she says some shit and you're just like We're gonna get hate mail forever. Oh, wow. Yeah, it'll be really fun Uh, check it out 30 days of coaching available mine pump available for free at mine pump media dot com It's for anybody. Uh, it's chock full of information It's something we designed as a gift to our listeners. 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