 Hello, welcome back to JSA TV and JSA podcast where we're covering the latest stories trends and innovations with leaders in the global connectivity real estate and Industries and the networks within them. So I'm joined today by a couple of leaders associate directors from WSP We've got Josh Sykes here, and we've got Anna trouble here. Did I say that right? Okay, perfect. So we're gonna have a fun conversation Today and of course, I'm can't decide both with JSA. So WSP data Professional services leader reimagining the future of data center sustainability. We're really excited to chat with them about sustainability today So first of all, let's set the stage a bit as the world's leading engineering and professional services firm How does WSP support data center clients with sustainability goals? Anybody want to take that one? Okay? So I think to a greater or lesser degree our data center clients are grappling with the same challenges that we see in a lot of sectors and As a multidisciplinary Consultancy we can really help across a full sustainability piece So we we have teams that will help on optimizing the design to be more sustainable for Reducing embodied carbon or driving down operational energy also experts in broader sustainability, whether it's biodiversity Ecology water consumption or social value. It's really big topic It is and you know the thing which I can see Which is you know, it's it's out the main thing it is we supporting our clients going on the journey with them to help them to translate the ESG requirements to Tangible targets and then bring them to life because you know You don't know what you need to achieve or what you want to achieve. It's really difficult, right? Yeah, those tangible targets are really important and it's so great that we're we have a room full of people coming together to talk about Things like that today and this week at the event So let's jump into and Josh. I'll kick this one over to you The biggest challenge you're seeing within the mission critical industry when it comes to preparing for a net zero future Sure I think the biggest challenge that we all have to kind of accept and really own in the data center world Is that we are big consumers of energy? That that's a reality that everyone has to accept and we have to do what we can to to minimize that impact And not just be dumb consumers of energy Yeah, so as designers we can do as much as we can to to optimize the design and that's where Anna and her team Well, we'll do everything they can to minimize energy use for optimizing systems and driving efficiencies down But it's it's a challenge and there's there's only so much we can do and there's there's the local context There's what the energy makeup of the local grid is and the the carbon intensity associated with that So there's all of these challenges and more and more we're seeing actually we we can move away from being dumb consumers We can do things that are positive in the community We can play a role in helping support the grid rather than just consuming Yeah, I think that's that's been one of the really great things to see at this conference is that we're We are doing that and we'll be having a positive impact But it's a challenge and it's something we've got to kind of work together to improve on yeah I love that. Okay. Awesome. Thank you and Anna. We'll jump back over to you and kind of end on a later Or a positive note here. I should say so what's the biggest win that you're seeing in data center sustainability right now? What I what we can see is that industry is taking ownership of the challenging to deliver sustainable data centers is is start thinking about a Bringing that you know, it's bringing the opportunity to the innovation to data centers You know, I can see that we start thinking differently in the new way. We work differently We do operate differently. It all has a good impact and the most important is you moving away from traditional models Which which is I really believe a big way sustainability for us is front and center And you know and the fact and it's part of the success Yeah It's not an afterthought And the biggest the biggest change which I can see and which are which I'm Hoping for is, you know, we do all we do all are using for more data Life, it's not gonna change. Yeah, and and the opportunity is that we can deliver sustainable data centers, which will have broader opportunities and It will change It will change the narrative completely because Data Center will be if there's the broader benefit there. Yeah, it will be welcome in our communities because As a guest not Yeah Yeah, excellent, I love that it's not an afterthought always on the forefront with the WSP the sustainability is so this is the exact right conference for you all to have a presence at it sounds like and And the the perfect place for you to get a message out to on JSA TV. So thank you so much for joining us Yeah, and to our viewers. Thank you for hanging out with us today on JSA TV. Happy networking