 Any comment on the 426 Rubin report where Michael Schurma criticizes as I invent objectives and for kicking people out for liking wrong music and wrong cigarettes I Mean give me a break. I mean I like Michael Schurma sometimes and I guess we're friendly when we meet But this is bullshit and it's nonsense and it's childish and it's it's he should know better and And it's it's amateur. It's amateur hour You know, you don't like objective as we don't like I ran then criticize the ideas you like some of it You don't like other stuff it criticize the ideas. Come on. Bring it on bring on a rebuttal bring on a critique But this is just bullshit kicking out people. Why is that a problem? There's some people I don't like I don't want them in my house. I don't want them in my movement I don't want them in my organization. Why is kicking out people a bad thing? I Does Michael Schurma willing to partner and cooperate with anybody if his partner for example committed fraud would he kick him out of the business? Yeah, of course you would Then why kicking people out? Irrespective of why they are kicked out. Irrespective of the reason if it's an intellectual movement and somebody Completed botches Completely botches the ideas or completely undercuts the ideas or subverts the ideas Should they be kicked out? Yeah, of course they should be why would I associate like any business if I have a business partner? And we now have completely different strategies completely different goals completely different ideas should we separate? Absolutely, we should separate There's no virtue in staying together no matter what so kicking people out is Virtuous under the right circumstance has to be rational it has to be good reason and again if there's a particular case where somebody who's picked out And you don't like it Michael Schurma. Let's debate it Let's discuss why they were kicked out and what it even means to be kicked out, but they're people I don't like and I don't want to be in the same Cooperation with them. I don't want to see me in the same intellectual and this is not what's what's so unique about objectivism? Public choice theory was founded by two guys who ultimately despised each other and didn't talk to one another for 30 years didn't cite one another in their papers That's a public choice libertarians hate each other's guts constantly are fighting Neoconservatives really I Mean show me one intellectual movement that doesn't quote kick people out doesn't have disagreements doesn't have fights Doesn't have people not speaking to each other doesn't have groups that separate out that have their own journals that write for themselves And won't publish the other side. I mean, this is intellectual life people who take ideas seriously They fight big deal grow up. I Mean it's only people sheltered within some kind of clustered cloister that are not engaged in the real world where you don't fight and then Kicked out for writing the wrong music. I mean that is such a cliche and that is simply untrue Nobody has been kicked out for liking the wrong music kicked out of what? Kicked out of where just because of the music. There was nothing else going on. There were no other issues and This wrong cigarette Really, I've never even heard that one and I've been around objectivists for You know for 40 years Is that true? Yeah Well objectivists maybe for less than 40 years, but I've been studying I ran's ideas for 40 I first think red I ran in 1977 that's 43 years ago and I've never heard never heard even a rumor of somebody being kicked out for liking the wrong cigarette So stop it people stop you don't like I grant that's fine as I said arguments are great There's no problem with arguing, but don't Don't make up stuff Don't trivialize Take bring on the ideas bring on the critique. What's wrong with her metaphysics? What's wrong with her epistemology? What is it about her definition of reason? Don't you like what is it about her theory of concept formation? Do you find fraud? Do you think rational self-interest makes sense? Which one of the virtues do you disagree with? What about capitalism? God, I mean she wrote hundreds of Hundreds of articles with deep thought of A caliber that with all due respect to Michael Schumer He doesn't come close to she wrote two of the best two best-selling novels that have lived way past her lifetime as Classic novels for Americans to read and yet all you can critique about her is she kicked out some people? I mean luckily, I don't swear because I would now I mean Michael Schumer is supposed to be a thinker He's supposed to be an intellectual. So we want to know Michael in detail in the same detail that that I ran wrote about we want to know What was she wrong about? What were the problems in objectivism in her philosophy? It's so Yeah, I Don't want to say anymore because Michael Schumer won't speak to me. Not that that's a bad thing. I guess but Because hey, I believe in I believe in you might kick me out What do you kick me out? What what what debate between me and Michael Schumer would he host to talk about whether people are kicked out because of cigarettes I mean that would be an insult to debates. I Mean it's ridiculous to debate these things these people are unserious You want you want to debate philosophy then let's debate philosophy But put this stuff to the side get rid of it Yeah, I mean his books are good. I like Michael Schumer for the most part But then he descends into some I don't know what it is He has old chapter in one of his books on an iron man on objectivism as a cult as a cult and He can't escape that that's And he can't he won't engage so screw it What we need today, but I called a new intellectual would be any man or woman who is willing to think Meaning any man or woman who knows that men's life must be guided by reason by the intellect Not by feelings wishes women's or mystic revelations Any man or woman who values his life and who does not get want to give in to today's of the spare cynicism and impotence and does not Intend to give up the world to the dark ages and to the role of the collectivist Using the super chat and I noticed yesterday when I appealed for support for the show many of you step forward and actually Supported the show for the first time. So I'll do it again. 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