 If you combine that with golden. You're right. You're right. They came together in my head. Is it the same time I'm saying it? Let's say there's a sporting goods place with that name. Yes. And all I can say is And if you don't buy your sporting gear there, you don't know that sporting goods place you could literally Corner the demographic that watches me tv with that show Yeah, how's that why oh because that's the because they are the only ones who know those two Hey, I watch me tv on occasion I Don't have regular tv anymore. So I don't know what that is It's uh, it's a you it's like a digital it's over the air station But all they do show reruns from like of tv shows from the 60s 70s and 80s Yeah, it's usually one of the good for example the golden girls. All right Does it have can you get like uh, Beverly hillbillies that kind of thing? Uh, they might I don't I know they had petticoat junction. It's that kind of thing One of the ones but Like I love how roger assumes that I would be stoked about petticoat Old guy says cinemax has an option on the show that I was describing which probably is true Um, probably under a different description. But did you know that stars has the jefferson's? No, isn't that weird they have like good times Why is that weird? Because they're old tv shows. I think of stars as like movies and originals Yeah I think stars has has has gone beyond that With their with their originals, but I would not have thought to look there for the jefferson's. No, no no, no I do want to see that All in the family jefferson's remake thing they showed on tv Yeah, it's really good. Yeah, I keep hearing it was like good Which I don't know why that surprises me. I I guess that's not that crazy that it's good, but I'm a little surprised In fact, I don't know. I wouldn't I wouldn't want to say Name names, but some of the actors in the new one were a little better at it than the original Hmm The one thing I will say is that woody harrelson's take on archie bunker Felt too much like he was trying to be archie bunker. Yeah, what a bad, but yeah, I think yeah I like woody, but I can see that being a problem I like woody too How was um, he can be really good He's what's your name jango's in there as uh, jorge jefferson, right jamey fox jamey fox. Yeah, is he good not my not Yeah, he was great. He's the only one who broke He like screwed up a line and said uh, people just realized this was live, didn't they? And then he came everybody kind of laughed and then he kept going and it was fine Yeah, I don't know this completely missed my radar until someone told me it had already happened So I guess I need to catch up on it. Yeah, we watched it later We we we we've remembered it was on like in the last five minutes Uh, so then we watched it the next day on hulu And will ferrell's in it. Did I hear that right? Yep He's in the first person's side anything will ferrell's in is always a good thing I agree. You are an anchor man fan. I know I am It's true. I really like the first the second one It just felt like a redo the first but But still funny I I I am one of those people who really love it for the the news the news team fights Totally. Oh, yeah threads, right jennifer hudson sings the jefferson's theme song moving on up Really? Oh good. So good. She just sings it live right at the beginning. Yeah. Oh gosh Kind of love that Uh, you want to sing it but I can't sing it as well as the old ferrell is that neighbor that jefferson had right? Yeah Oh, wait. So who played mr. Bentley the doorman? Uh, it's not the same guy. Is it I don't think we see him. Uh, will ferrell was the the guy who's in the interracial couple Right, and then um, oh bozzly or tom. No tom. Yeah. Yeah, he plays tom There you go Um, speaking of tom. Yes Should be do the show Yeah, I look I think you got a great idea there sarah. Let's run with that Let's do it. All right. Can you read line six, which used to be line three and confuses people when I say it's line six now Can do awesome. All right. Here we go. Everybody's fired up Three two Xiao Cheng has supported independent tech news directly for about a day Why not be like shang and become a dts member at patreon.com slash dtns This is the daily tech news for wednesday may 29 2019 in los angeles. I'm tom merit and from syria feline I'm sarah lane from salt lake city. I'm scott johnson and from parts in l.a. County. I'm the show's producer roger chain Uh, we are going to look at some of the crazy form factors come into laptops As inspired by some announcements particularly one from intel at computex, which is happening in taiwan But let's start with a few tech things you should know Huawei has filed a motion for summary judgment in its lawsuit that seeks to declare that the 2019 national defense authorization act Is unconstitutional and that act was passed last summer and prevents federal agencies and their contractors from using huawei equipment This is an older and separate act from more recent restrictions enacted by the president huawei's chief legal officer Song le ping on wednesday said that the company was reviewing ways to fight the other us trade restrictions uber announced that riders and candidate and the us May risk being deactivated from the service if their rider ratings fall significantly And chances to improve ratings. Oh, sorry below their city's average rather Riders will receive several notifications and chances to improve their ratings before being deactivated Might say terminated. Anyway uber will offer tips to riders encouraging polite behavior and cleanliness Short version don't poop in your uber True Taiwan's media tech announced a 5g compatible 7 nanometer system on a chip meant for lower-end devices. Uh, the integrated 5g sock combines media tech's m75g modem with arms cortex a 77 cpu and the Mali g 77 gpu nokia Or or really the the folks that make the handsets for nokia under the brand and oppo handsets often use the media tech chips These aren't necessarily competitive with qualcom, but they are Other 5g chips out there the first products with the chips in them are expected at the beginning of 2020 All right, let's talk about a non laptop tool being showed off at copy tech scott Well, let's talk about logitech an old brand. We all know and love and refuse to call loji They have a nifty new tool for virtual reality artists people who like to work in vr and do creative stuff The logitech vr ink stylus brings fine motor control for creating in virtual reality Logitech is showing the tech office week at the augmented world expo the ar And mixed reality event that is in santa clara california Vadim kogan head of partnerships and business development for ar vr for mixed reality at logitech said at the conference quote Most creators were trained in school and universities how to draw with a pencil and paper. He said That's a very simple way of putting that anyway, and today you are able to do the same thing in vr It's simple natural and an extension of your hand. Everybody knows how to write and how to hold it That's the end of that quote right now. It only works with team vr tracking and the htc vive logitech will work with creative creative soft Creativity software companies to integrate the logitech vr ink technology into their software So it can work with various 3d models and other stuff It already integrates with google tilt brush a vr art program, but again that will only work on the htc vive currently One would expect oculus hardware and the upcoming valve index to also support this device Uh, you're an artist scott. Does this appeal to you? Uh, very much so so they mentioned tilt brush in here It is an incredibly creative Experience. I especially like it in the new oculus quest Given how sort of free an Untethered you are and you can sort of design your own inside out sort of space to work in and I think it's just adds to the creativity to have less holding you down um to bring a device into that world that is less of a claw machine controller, which those controllers are really cool I'm not You know talking smack about those or the vibe or anything else. They're all neat for what they do But they're not really analogous to a real real world drawing implement So if you want to feel that way we got to introduce things that are a little bit more Stylicy and what they're showing off here certainly looks like that So you draw in the middle of the air though because I feel like that'd be hard You don't have anything to push against I know it seems strange But you and there's a little bit of like depth issues like some of your stuff's out a little further than the stuff you put behind it And you didn't really notice till you got around and looked at it um, but The idea that some of this upcoming software could like flatten some of that stuff and make up for that is okay also there's a the chance of Of uh, I forgot to name the word haptic feedback. That's what I meant We'll tell you kind of when you're going in or out of a space It's still kind of untested space. I also think sculpture has a lot of potential with a pen device So I think logitech is looking at a very niche audience that will grow and I'm personally excited about it Apple made a public post Defending the app store in the face of an EU and a antitrust investigation And the recent us supreme court decision allowing app purchasers to file lawsuits against apple over antitrust Okay, so apple says 60 of approximately 1,000 What what 1,000 apps reviewed each week are approved With rejections largely due to minor bugs or privacy concerns Apple also lists the number of app store alternatives to its core apps in order to show that it is not stopping competition Though it does not mention that none of the apps can be chosen as defaults Apple also points out that developers can distribute apps or other app stores smart TVs gaming consoles And the open internet Yeah, 60 of a hundred thousand apps doesn't seem like a uh a big success rate They also put a big category app called readers. These are apps for users exclusively purchase and subscribe to content outside the app Uh, that's not a benefit. That's that's a thing that people are trying to avoid Apple taking a cut of their money to do. I did not feel and I don't know how y'all felt But I did not feel like apple did a great job defending stuff uh, no, but man, uh, do you do you ever think we'll enter a future tom where uh Apple has their stuff worked out to the point that nobody's trying to fight the app store anymore I feel like the app store since day one has been this Legal battleground and I don't know various regions our own uh country and certainly in the eu where everybody's always saying Ah, apple's unfair with the way they're doing a thing and I feel like I'm I don't know I'm weirdly tired of it and I don't mean this story particularly but Just the overall feeling that apple can never get it right in the app store space Yeah, I think there's room to have a discussion about whether apple's policies Go overboard. I I think the one requiring you not to mention that you sell something somewhere else at all in your app Unless you'd let apple take a cut over reaches Uh, that said apple Posted this to say this is our defense. So I think it's fair game to say. Well, is it really? Is it really a good defense of yourself? Um, I'm not sure it achieved what they expected it to achieve Yeah, well time time as always will tell with those guys, but uh, do we I know this is a totally unrelated thing I guess we don't know this but as soon as they come out and they're final with their arcade thing I feel like uh, we're gonna have a whole slew of new reasons why people are gonna be mad at them And they'll be bad at defending that so uh, really looking forward to a new generation of app store hate coming up Amazon announced a smaller version of its echo show five or of its echo show called the echo show five It's a voice assistant with a 5.5 inch screen a camera with a shutter for privacy and a speaker for 90 bucks An optional magnetic stand so you can position that camera better sells for $20 The new echo show five is available for pre-order shipping to the united kingdom, germany, france, italy, spain, japan, canada, new zealand, australia and the united states In june and come into india in july amazon also announced a new feature that lets you tell your amazon voice assistant Delete what i said today and it'll clear out everything from the past day from its records Uh an additional command that says delete what i just said to delete immediately after you said something is coming over the next month You can do all these deletions in the app, but this is allowing you easier control over that by giving you more options I want one And i don't know why i think i was talking to the uh the show this morning on tms when you came by and And i had mentioned that and you said well, what is it about it and and you reminded me well Hey, it's a smaller screen. So do you want to get your your old larger screen? Is that not important to you and i realized i guess it's not i think i like a smaller sleeker um updated Device and i think i'm gonna replace the one i have i also think the price is right like this is a much lower price than than the traditional uh versions of the show have gone for And i don't think screen size matter to me. I need it mainly for reference It's like look up and see what time it is quickly check see what song's playing and what's that lyric I just heard whatever it is those are all possible with this It's still got the camera and the option to shut that off like this feels like the generation of show I would get if i didn't already have one So i'm just on the fence as one who already owns but It seems like a nice time for somebody to jump in and hopefully sound wise It's still good because that's a big concern for uh for folks with music and stuff like that, but yeah I mean amazon has a way of making me want all their dumb echoes and I don't know why Well and and you know all of that said the the fact that amazon's like hey We'll let you also like delete all of your you know everything that you've said to the echo you know to this point is I mean it kind of makes me laugh a little bit but at the same time like it it is That is actually a problem that people have Yeah, and so making it easier for people. Yeah, access that uh is definitely a play to people's fears Who are like I don't want one of these things in my house because it'll log everything Well, this is trying to help people feel better about that. Well, it's two points of of of trying to do that There's that and then there's this camera switch And I have friends on the shutter on the small one. Yeah, and I have friends who still won't believe that will do anything I have friends who think that if you put tape over that hole, then you're doing it wrong But I think this is a nice step in the right direction. I would appreciate it I don't like that. It's looking at me all the time to be honest and I trust these things so It'll all work out in the end in a blog post about new pcs announced a computex microsoft's nick parker describes something called modem, sorry modern os this seems to be Distinct from windows 10 this modern os includes seamless updates done in the background with no interruptions is secured by default It's a short definition of the security. Anyway separating compute from applications is always connected long battery life powered by by ai With multiple inputs like pan voice and gaze awareness and awareness of multiple form factors very similar to chrome os Parker says microsoft is investing in this vision of a modern os. That's pretty interesting I I don't necessarily Uh, see this is like hey, this is the new version of windows everybody back up because microsoft's got a thin client coming That's your new version of windows more likely. This is you know nice embedded software for lots of devices and Uh applications outside of your desktop and seems cool That's sad Okay, I mean if windows 10 is not, you know, like why is this different than windows 10? Why does the company want this to be distinct from windows 10? Yeah, that's a good question. Um, there's been a lot of rumors about a windows light to compete with chrome os Uh, and remember when they tried to make windows 10 s Uh available as sort of a chrome os competitor, but you could still run for windows 10 And so everybody just immediately turned it into full windows 10 I think this is meant for those those lower cost Computers to say this is for when you want a chrome os like experience We're gonna have a modern os that doesn't have the baggage of windows 10 for people who don't mean need windows 10 It's it sounds like they're they're taking very small steps towards what they were trying to achieve with windows 10 s By creating something that doesn't have the baggage of windows 10 s because it doesn't have windows 10 in it Maybe even closer to something like windows rt Which was even a thinner client a more ios styled approach to tablets Um, this is maybe even closer to that certainly closer to chrome os I got a windows rt device right here. Of course you do you've always charged Yeah But but I you know why not thinner clients More devices this seems like a smart uh smart thing to do everybody's got their little secondary os Why not microsoft let's go. Yeah, and when we talk about the laptops in a second Think about this modern os is maybe running on some of those might make some more sense Cartek maker automatic announced it as ending support for its first and second generation odb2 adapters often called the classic or legacy and the silver adapters And disabling their companion apps after august 31st The second gen model came out four years ago The other one came out six years ago The company encourages the owners of these older models to buy its new hundred dollar lte adapter Which comes with an optional five dollar a month subscription They're also sending some discount codes. So it wouldn't cost you totally a hundred dollars But it's one thing to say. Hey, we're no longer going to support this older piece of equipment happens all the time Uh people with phones both android and ios know this Situation your phone doesn't stop working. You just you know may have bugs happen more often along the way This is different And I did some digging to try to figure out why they would shut down an app instead of let you just keep using it It's because there's no local storage Your data from what I can tell is all stored in the cloud And it doesn't seem like it's stored locally because all of their instructions on how to manage your data collected by this Uh are in the cloud if you don't know what automatic does It collects like the miles per hour you drive your location tries to estimate fuel consumption A lot of people like to use it for that it can also read the diagnostic codes Uh that your car maintenance professional might read some people like to see that too It can do a bunch of other things and you want to store that data. Well Not only are they storing it in the cloud, but they're also selling it to third parties Uh and the only way to opt out of it being sold to third parties is to email them support at automatic dot com all that goes back to the fact that they are shutting down this app and turning Two versions of their previous Products into unusable products Because they want to sell information to third parties Otherwise they could have Spent the money to make your information available locally in these apps I guess there's an argument to say they didn't want to spend the money on that either But because they have a cloud system They can sell data to third parties, which is a revenue stream for them So in other words your use of this without that monetization option isn't worth it for automatic Appreciate roger had Floated the whole uh planned obsolescence Phrase do you hold do you think that holds any water here? There anything? I think that's I think people over over use that I I don't generally think most companies sit there and plan to make something obsolete Because they know about the backlash. It's just not a good business plan I think what happens is companies don't mind if something goes obsolete or as in this case They feel like they have to make it obsolete because of another business model not because they just want to sell more devices It's because of that revenue stream. Otherwise, they wouldn't risk the backlash that they are absolutely getting For making these older versions useless after august 31st Hey folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com All right back on may 14th couple weeks ago. We talked about Lenovo's foldable windows pc That was a 13.3 inch four by three 2k OLED display that kind of folded in half It was billed as a laptop I kind of felt like it was more of a tablet that folded in half that same day hp launched a 15 inch dual screen gaming laptop That had a secondary six inch 1080p screen Right above the keyboard like on the same Panel as the keyboard the omen x2s is available in june starting at $2,100 Now at Computex this week aces showed off the zenbook pro duo with a 15 inch 16 by 9 OLED 4k panel and a half height 32 by 9 IPS 4k Screen pad plus that is sitting right above the keys on your keyboard can be used as a control panel If you want although it also has a track pad Or it's more often going to be used as a secondary display. It can even be turned into two 16 by 9 1080p windows That's expected in q3 with no price but to top that Intel showed off a reference design now until doesn't make hardware or doesn't make finished products They make parts but a lot of times they'll make these reference designs to show how their parts could be used Intel showed off a reference design dual screen gaming laptop called honeycomb glacier With a 15.6 inch primary screen and a 12.3 inch half vertical screen This one doesn't sit on your keyboard though. It pulls up on a hinge Above your keyboard So you're looking at your main screen and you just tilt down a little bit to see the secondary screen and your keyboard still lying flat The aces one the second screen is lying flat and I think of the hp one as well So this machine opens like a laptop tilts up to open that secondary screen And then you put it at whatever angle you want and it sticks there because it has a one-way hinge Now when you're ready to close it you push a little release button and it releases the hinge and you can fold it back up Uh, so they suggest you put your slack chat there your twitter chat, etc But the big thing is a toby eye tracker That sits in the hinge at about eye level and can tell when you're looking at the second screen To give it focus So without having to use your mouse you look at the second screen type your twitter respond Go back to the main screen and your controls are using the main screen again. Just by knowing where you're looking. I know right I love this. Yeah. Yeah, if it works well, uh, oh my god And that's the thing What we've always wanted these this concept is made with off-the-shelf parts So a lot of the people who tested a computex said it works most of the time But maybe it would work all of the time if it was made by a manufacturer A couple other things here also from intel twin river a dual screen tablet made of fabric Uh two two twelve point three inch 1920 by 1280 touch screens HP has a wood inlay on the pond rest in its nv wood series of laptops And del said it's working on a dual screen laptop So lots of different attempts to capture our imagination with laptops here mostly revolving around using a second screen Yeah, these are neat. Um, I'm they showed some handwriting stuff Which made me my brain and me to go. Oh, I could draw on this Maybe maybe this is a new art tool for people potentially way too early to tell like he said it's also a prototype without Any, you know manufacturers taking their direct idea and running with it yet Um, but I love this kind of stuff and I also like it more than I like the foldable designs Um, and I don't know why that is the foldable designs just make me nervous They make me feel like I'm bending something that shouldn't be bent And I'll go over that eventually when there's something awesome that doesn't break when you bend it But for now like from a product productivity angle the idea of having that secondary screen and it being a touch screen I think is a way to embarrass a macbook pro. No offense macbook pro But your cool little control strip there. You're basically saying take that and blow Lots of problems Not great, right? It's not a perfect Perfect solution, but a big control panel size second screen For while you're editing even if it's just secondary stuff like i'm watching all the episodes of cheers Have a play down there and have that going on up there and like this is a This is a very cool design and i'm a little bum that it's not Intel also coming up going and we're making hardware and here's our first attempt because I like this design a lot. I think it's neat Lenovo and intel have combined on a few things that have turned into yoga models So not all of them have even come out from Lenovo, but uh, yeah, maybe Lenovo gets on board with this Maybe that's what del's working on. Maybe del's gonna gonna use this hinge It feels like uh, the tobi eye tracking the hinge and just the the processor being able to hand off Between the multiple screens is kind of what intel's pushing here and they could put it in whatever form factor once But this is all doable right now a lot of times intel prototypes you're like Could they really manufacture that at scale and this one feels like it could I mean, uh, do you like the idea of a second screen sarah for things like you know when you're editing? Yeah, actually I do um, you know, it's funny. We we've we've kind of like we've been talking about this whole like Uh, you know hybrid two and one whatever, you know for a couple of years now and some of the uh The the models I'm like What wouldn't help me? But when it comes to something like editing You really do need um, your second screen you do um, and I mean you you you can you can live without it, but um, it it it it actually would be Super helpful I think for for a lot of the creative professions like art Yeah, anything where it were two screens Works in a in a desktop setting uh could potentially Pay off from this I think a lot of times it get pushed as gaming this this honeycomb glacier is pushed as gaming because That's a situation where you want to have a full screen of whatever you're doing in the game But you also want to have your stats, uh, or your buttons or your chat Uh available in an easily glanceable thing and that's I'm like you sarah that toby eye tracking If they they could make that work reliably I want that to work not just on screens I want to be able to just look at a window and have my computer know. Oh, he's looking at Slack right now. He's not looking at his spreadsheet. So when he types because I've done this before I start typing I'm like, oh wait the focus all day on the spreadsheet. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah That'd be really cool. I also um Shouldn't you know, I shouldn't talk out of my own uh wheelhouse here a little bit But I'll bet you've got listeners who are programmers. What you calling? Yeah, that's it If you've got coders coders and programmers out there who could respond to this I'll bet this is good for them Because secondary screens are a huge thing for coders. Uh, not only because they're testing Time but sometimes they've got two sets of code running at the same time and one's a guy in their discord saying Remoting into two systems. You need two screens. Yeah. Yeah On the go. I mean, they're already doing this in a desktop environment. So why not have something that's You know this usable on the go. I think it sounds great Yeah, I I just I you know, there's there's a few stories here today that are like, oh Laptops are coming back because these are useful form factors. I think tech journalists are just Stunned that they're being shown a demonstration that they don't immediately roll their eyes at and go Why would anyone want that the the twin rivers for instance with the the the cloth on the outside that makes it Look like a book I that one is more what I expect at Computex like, okay, maybe people want that I don't know but this this intel one particularly does seem to Be useful and and implemented in a way that's useful And it's not just everyone jumping on the trend because they all can get the part to make the second screen Which is what I feel like is going on with foldable somebody made a foldable screen And they're like great. Let's fold things. What can we fold and everybody's like? I don't know if I need folding or not But they're like, but we develop foldable screens whereas this feels like well second screens have been around for a long time I guess processors are just getting to the point where they can handle them well But that's something that people have wanted for a long time too. So I feel like there's a lot more promise here because of that Yeah, and I also I'm I'll echo that idea that if you want to Have it's okay to have half steps during You know iteration of technology I'm okay with it because I think that stuff's important and it leads to bigger Discoveries and so I'm okay with the weird Stuff that never makes it to market or the stuff that makes it to market and doesn't succeed Because a lot of times it informs something else that comes later and we get better at it to me foldable screens are in that category And and lots of other stuff, but this in particular it looks like it could use it now Like it looks like a useful innovation That takes advantage of lots of little small innovations over time That's actually something I could get some major use out of like there's practical application out of the door For what they're showing So I am very on the on the edge or on the on the edge of waiting to see what happens Especially from somebody like del who you're not waiting to see what happens. You're just on the edge. I'm just on the edge I'm sitting on the edge looking down Happens folks stick around Speaking of being on the edge everybody in our subreddit Always on the edge We love you for it smith stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit.com We're also on facebook facebook.com Slash groups slash daily tech news Let's check out the mail bag. Let's do it. Okay. So we got um, we we got an email Which was I think in reference to yesterday's show Said y'all were talking about apple refreshing the ipad touch and believe me There's a major market for the touch Which might not be obvious. I happen to be in the market So I know many the largest retailers use ipad touches as a mobile cash register Including the apple store. There are many mobile credit card uh sleds that attach onto the ipad to take the credit card apple has not refreshed this in many years and a lot of people were probably considering going to android support OS updates patches, etc as apple has not come out with a new model since 2015 Oh, has it been that long? It's crazy. Yeah kind of has yeah That's a lot. We got a lot of emails from people who we did that they use these in retail PD says he works at a well-known football state university and they give ipad touches to the maintenance and housekeeping crews bruce is working on client engagement in a warehouse transportation Environment, uh, their drivers all have iPhones for use on the road Brandon was in a dollar general last week and they were still using lumea phones for checking inventories Like maybe they could use ipad touches to upgrade that uh, there are people at hospitals Liquor storage chains someone works there is is looking to upgrade the ipad touches They use there so point of sale warehouse management seems to be a really big use of the ipad touch Mm-hmm Yeah, and then bart wrote in Because I was talking about sony's proprietary 60 mile range internet of thing uh connectivity System and I said there's got to be an open source version of this. Thank you bart bart to the rescue He says there is an open technology for wide area iot devices called laura wan a And then when like wide area network there is an open source community network to help with interconnecting these devices Laura devices are very low bandwidth just a few bytes per second with some rate limits in the protocol It is good for info like temperature whether a door is opened or closed iot kind of things Generally these devices have five to seven kilometer distance But your mileage will vary depending on environment and antenna and there is a guy who went over 100 kilometers With a laura device you can find out more about it at lora dash alliance dot org. That's laura dash alliance dot org Thanks to everybody who writes in and also thanks to scott johnson for being with us today scott Let folks know where they can keep up with all of your wonderful work. 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It's the same title every day Uh I thought scott would laugh about Come on laughing on the inside. I really am okay. Yeah, um, let's see on the cutting edge laptops Uh, june is coming Everybody knows how to write Uh claw machine controller Okay lap fest Uh Dts screens new laptops Hmm Actually, that's not bad Embarrassing the macbook pro Automatically unsupported All I mean is that strip is just not as cool as a screen. That's how about screening new laptops Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah. Yeah, I like that emphasis on screens screening new laptops Uh, and then for good day internet, we got a lot of good day internet suggestions today Oh, I bet we do angela landsbury is in tom's closet I Can that can that be topped? Yeah, I don't think that can be top. That's the best. You know compilation prized or purposes. Uh, there's also it's not milk toast Uh retirement. She wrote Uh, that's good. Yeah The stuff food is made of Uh, but yeah angela landsbury and tom's I mean Only were true Doesn't yeah, you have to do that Um, angela landsbury is still alive, right? Yeah, it's the last time we checked Um, I've not I mean she she's my favorite Miss america moves from abc to mbc in 2020 Whoa Going back and used to be on mbc um Haven't watched it in some time. Um Is it still about like What's your you know cool thing that you do? Are you a good pianist or? That's just yeah talent competition. Yeah, I'd never watch it. So I don't know Well, I mean that's my question. I haven't watched it I think they've tried to move away from just kind of the cheesecake aspect to something more substantial Well, but like Like what Like what's more substantial than being like a really good piano player Uh, I don't know Yeah, like we talking about quadratic equations Tell me I and roger. I'm not saying you're the expert on this But do they still even do the swimsuit competition or has that been tossed? Uh, I think they do okay Yeah Miss america started out as a swimsuit competition That's that's what it was originally the first right, but it can evolve beyond that. Yeah It it evolved from the swimmer of the 1920s to the swimmer of the 80s 90s and Yeah, like a solid I don't know five ten years ago It became something where it was like if you're miss america, you're smart You know, it wasn't about like how good you look in a bathing suit even though that was still sort of part of the deal Let me but they are competing for a scholarship Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just I don't know if that's always been the case, but I didn't realize this america. Oh, it's a dot org It's a charity As a 28 A swimsuit portion to the contest or any consideration of physical appearance Who who what charity like who? I mean, it's a charity. No, I think it's a non-profit. Yeah, it's a non-profit. I don't think it's oh It's like a 501c3 type thing. Yeah, that kind of yeah The job of some new more bathing suits as of 2018. I thought I'd heard that So no more physical appearance consideration. It's all based on uh personality charm talent, etc Cool. Well, I have to say I I applaud that Well, once we break down the gender line then it'll be for for real Like it does it did start rogers, right? That's why I want to know like I want to know like how the charm works You know same way charm would work for centuries. Well, okay, but I mean, isn't that sort of you know, it's it's Charm is you know, it's in the eye of the beholder, right? Have a panel of judges and that's right. I mean the whole thing is subjective really That's why I made the joke about quadratic equations like that would be one of the few objective ways of judging Sorry, I specialized in trigonometry right triangles for me only Sure, let's not get political All kinds of triangles are welcome Right left center does matter Equilateral I love an equilateral triangle. Oh, what fun But remember no one can go over 180 Such a math joke, Roger It's not we differential math counts math counts It does math counts at math camp You'll be factoring before you know it Yeah, uh industrial math has the factoring floor And we're polynomial accepting All right, here we go I found the oh, this is 2017 though. I want the current one Trying to find the judging Judge like you will be oh for miss america. Yeah Actually, that's a competition each candidate will participate in a live interactive session where she will highlight her achievements and goals in life And how she will use her talents passion and ambition to perform the job of miss america Okay, I'm gonna do this job. Well I'm gonna be so great at these things Um, all right. Well interview cuts 25 percent on stage question 5 percent talent 35 percent This says evening wear but the other one said Uh, that had been gotten rid of so maybe this is old too and then lifestyle and fitness Wait a minute. So what how does that work? Do you have to do like I think you probably go swimming. That's my But like like 35 percent like what You have to have some amazing talent Do you imagine if if a miss america turns into some weird amalgam of But it was the voice American warrior and you know just like Jeopardy like you have to be good at everything. You have to be able to answer questions while you're doing the Sam that that salmon ladder thing We will breathe a new a new breed of miss america stronger faster smarter Miss america was always all of this wasn't it? I don't know it was more about swimsuits, I think I mean it originally began as a bathing beauty pageant like roger said like back of the Yeah, I mean, okay. That was a long time ago. I don't think I've I mean there's miss america miss usa Hard to say. There's also mr The old yeah, like they're they're you know, mr america We mr. Missus america. There's a couples one. We have some yes. We have some um I don't know uh the anyway, um but like Isn't the the idea of miss america now like it's not about like being like pretty in a swimsuit it's being like smart and The cooler person in the room leadership skills. Yeah, I don't know if it is Is it not? I mean It's still about being incredibly attractive because without that you don't have anybody go up there that you would say is You know Average appearance who's super smart and they get to compete. It's always still the baseline is Yeah, miss. Yeah, who's the hottest god keeps getting pulled in every year. I know I keep look I don't even want the job, but they keep Does all the characters You're just so hot What if you know what would be really creepy is if they pulled your blood samples and kept like your genome on on fire What if they did a miss america type contest and you never saw the people? I mean heard them talk. Uh, that's what I would want. I that I I think that that would be interesting So I'm not miss america. I'm not suggesting they change miss america to be that but like a different competition. That's like um There's no gender neutral miss or mister. Is there there's no there's miz, but there's no like m That you could just what if it was just like doctor doctor america person america person america I like this human america human america Man woman no one cares Who is the best human? And can you play the piano so the thing is it might devolve then into like a weird The apprentice or something where you just didn't for a job interview Good, but not not face to face So there'd be absolutely no chance of being judged by appearance But then where's the television aspect of it? Oh, it's like the voice you have the judges with their back turned so you could see them But the judges can't well then you see them That's the fun. Well, but you as the tv viewers well and the whole idea is that the judges can't see you physically Right So that's where you make the tv fun is you're looking at them and the judges but the judges can't yeah Interesting about We have invented a uh contest. It's the voice for miss america. It's the voice for not singing Yeah, are you good at something great? We don't want to see you. That's our pitch. We're going to mbc It's like the voice but without singing It's like the voice but for you know the you know old bathing beauty Sort of thing, but not no baby They should call it the interview No, I don't know how you want to make it an interview. Don't make it an interview. No You sit across a desk from somebody We could get away with the The the high heels and the clip on nails and the teased hair But to show leadership skills is they would have to do Roger that's a little You know It would have to be in a position that you would part of the contest is like it's it's a month It's a month long contest and then you would have to put them like at the head of or in charge of Like a job or an operation or something that's an interview though. That's actually putting them in a job That's the apprentice Well, you know what it started out as a beauty pageant, you know It's like the apprentice but also the apprentice No the apprentice with the voice without the singing Wait, so the judges and the apprentice can't see the people doing the job Well, you need to be able to you have All right video folks, thanks for for uh suffering through our pitch. We'll refine it and bring it back to you Audio folks stick around