 Do you know Shaka? In nature they even suffer the cows or whatever they call it, they suffer them. I cannot tell a jackal what to do. You can change what you do to the animals. A jackal, right? They grab an animal, they rip their throat out or they kill. Yeah, should I do that? A jackal does it. This is dairy milk. You know milk? They produce milk for their babies, but the farmers take the babies away. Do you drink milk from cow? Yeah. Do you ever wonder why you do that? I thought it was healthy. I thought it was healthy? Yeah. But it's for a cow. They kill the calves. Why? Well the male calves, they don't produce milk. So they can kill them for like baby calf meat, which is called veal. You had a veal? What? Veal? I don't know what. It's a small calf meat. Sometimes they let them grow bigger for beef. This is me. This is a dairy farm. They threw some dead calves in a bin. I see. Is there is no government checking them in your country? Yeah, England has some of the highest standards in the world. That's what they say. This is legal. All legal. Legal, yeah. Standard. Where are you from? Whereabouts? Turkey. Turkey? Yes. Turkey, everyone's from Turkey? Okay. Yeah, I'm sure it's not much different. It's probably worse. Probably, yeah. Because in the name of God, they're killing the cows even slowly. Halal? Is it Muslims in Turkey? I don't know. There is a lot of Halal slaughter. I mean, this is just no bolt and suffering. See, this animal doesn't want to die. They don't want to die. No one wants to die here. What have I said to you? Well, they're only animals. Who cares? They're only animals. Do you eat animals? No. No. It's horrible. It's bad. You can't watch it. Do you eat animals? Do you eat meat? When you go to the store and you take your money and you give it to the person to buy meat, that's why this happens. But even monkeys eat meat in Malaysia? Yeah, but we don't care about what monkeys do, or what lions do, or what tigers do, because we are humans and we don't act how animals act in nature. Do you think we should act how animals, like monkeys, act? Think about it. No, no. Or just with meat, nothing else? No, but don't we look like monkeys? Well, I mean, what you're doing is you're pointing to nature and you're saying some monkeys do this, we should do this. No, I'm not supporting any of it. Yeah, are you saying it's natural to eat meat? Yeah, I was looking at that. Yeah, but why do we care what is natural? Because to live a healthy life, I don't support the... So you think natural means healthy? What? Do you believe that natural means healthy? Kind of. Cocaine is natural. There's a lot of things in nature that are cruel and that are unhealthy. Is there anything else that gives the same amount of proteins, vitamins that meat gives right now? Yeah, yeah, of course. Every single nutrient you can think of that we need comes from plants other than B12, vitamin D. Vitamin D comes from the sun, B12 is produced by bacteria in the soil and we can supplement with B12. Yeah, but we are nearly same as monkeys at an atomic weight. Yeah, but gorillas are herbivores. Yeah, we are herbivores too, aren't we? It doesn't matter what we are. What matters is what is moral to do. We could be omnivore. I don't think we act like an omnivore or carnivore. We don't act like one. A carnivore doesn't look at this and go, oh, oh my god. No, a carnivore goes, hmm, dinner. This is what a carnivore does. A monkey doesn't watch this and go, oh, like you used to doing. Do you know shekel? Jackal. Yeah, shekel. In nature they even suffer the cows or whatever they call it. They suffer them to that. Yeah, they torture them. Do you want them to stop it? I cannot tell a jackal what to do. You can change what you do to the animals. You can. Because you're a human being and you understand right and wrong. The jackal does not understand. They're in nature, they're surviving. You're not, you're not, and you're not a jackal. You don't want to torture animals to death. So because a jackal tortures animals, that doesn't mean I can. A jackal, right? They grab an animal, they rip their throat out or they kill. Should I do that? No. Why not? A jackal does it. A monkey eats meat. Because a lion does this. We are more evolved. Exactly. Ethics, morals, civilized, yeah? Okay, I just want to ask this. If they want to die while suffering, just agree with that. Can we eat meat in that way? If I killed you without causing you suffering, it's wrong to kill you. Yeah, but they're not thinking, right? As you said. These are, they're thinking, but not of ethics. They are experiencing the world. Animals are, right? They're experiencing reality, they experience well-being, happiness, sadness, okay? They don't want to be killed. Yeah, I understand. But in Africa, there are lots of countries not even have access to drink water. I care more people than animals right now. I'm sorry, but... So you're saying because there's other problems, we shouldn't, we should keep doing this? No, no. This is, this won't stop in some countries. They will, they'll make it again. I understand. I want to know about you. What should you do? I don't know. I will think about what can I do? Maybe I will go vegan, but I can't give that up. I can't say it right now. No, no, of course. I'm not asking you, I'm asking you to think about what we are doing, right? I have parents and they will maybe even force me to eat meat because they will think it's unhealthy to grow up, yeah, and maybe they will even force me to eat. Well, you should be healthy. Like, you should, I mean, I've got some information about, about plant-based diets. Yeah. There's some good science on plant-based diets. I looked social about it too. Yeah. I mean, let me, let me just get you some information. Then you can like, think about it. How about some stuff on health here? Because you don't need meat, you need nutrients. Yeah? Yeah. Your body needs nutrients. It doesn't need meat. Can I ask about the stuff? Yeah. In Arabia or other Middle Eastern countries, Muslim countries, they start a lot of animal as a celebration. Yeah, eat. A religious thing. Then how can it stop? That's a big problem. Yeah. I don't know. The only way it will stop is through people changing. Like the new generation, like yourself. We can't stop it. You have to convince people that killing each other is wrong, but they say, no, I'm a religion. This religion is right. This religion is right. How do I stop that? I don't know. There's problems that are really hard to solve, which is why I just ask for you to, to have your conscience and control what you do. You just have to teach new generation to, okay, I understand. I will think about it and I will talk with my parents. No worries. And I say, It's really nice to talk to you. See you later. Take care. Take care. Bye bye. Bye. Bye brother. My two friends are Muslim and they want to know if, what you can teach to them or what you can suggest. Oh, well, it's just, it's the same principle really. It's the same idea. They didn't understand from my mouth. I think that it's, Okay, who's Muslim? Who's Muslim? Well, first of all, it's, it's actually not haram to not eat animals. You're allowed to be vegan and Muslim. We don't need to cut off animals' heads. They're not only thinking in religious way, they're thinking in a natural way or a healthy way. Oh, natural? Yeah, they are. Oh, they want to know health, health way. I mean, what do you, because what you did is you said in nature, we eat animals. The animals eat animals. That's what it was. Animals like, you said a monkey, surgeon. Monkey, jackal. A jackal, lion, they eat animals. And I was saying that it doesn't matter what wild animals do in nature. We shouldn't look at nature to and act the same way. We shouldn't act how animals act in nature. And I know you don't do that because you would have a problem with me jumping on an animal and torturing them to death. You would say that that was wrong. And if I said, well, well, it happens in nature, you would say, I don't care. It's wrong. Don't torture animals. But torture happens all the time in nature. But I'm asking us to act civilized to animals, to care about them. Because we don't need to. Another thing with Halal, fish are not included in Halal guidelines. They're not included. We know now that fish are sent in and they feel pain and they suffer. We know this. Science shows us. Also, another thing that they don't have Halal guidelines for is milk and eggs. Right? They just don't mention it. But these animals are all caused suffering and are slaughtered. In the dairy industry, they take the calf from the mother, which causes them trauma, suffering. It's a customer. You know? This is haram causing animal suffering. Most animals are in factories, you know, caused suffering. This is what happens. You can still be Muslim and vegan. I know many, many, many vegan Muslims. No problem. It's no problem. Okay, thank you. Thank you. That's all the questions. So it's okay? No questions? Thanks. No worries. Thank you.