 Daily Tech News show is made possible by its listeners thanks to all of you including Pat DeGrascia Daniels and Erwin Sturr Coming up on DTNS a new MacBook Air and M2 chip and all the rest of the big announcements from Apple's WWDC keynote plus hope for more efficient car battery technology This is the Daily Tech News for Monday June 6th in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio Redwood. I'm Sarah Lane and I'm Roger Chang the show's producer of course joining us also is Terence Gaines from snobo s. How's it going Terence? Hey, how's it going everybody? We are hoping to have Nika Monford your co-host on but Our software seems to not be cooperating. She keeps bopping in and out. So we'll try to get her back on as soon as we can I'll keep an eye out for her, but it's good to have you Are you are you excited to to talk some operating systems? There is a lot. There is definitely a lot that definitely a lot that I'm pretty sure a lot of people are interested in like I mentioned Earlier sounds like Apple said, okay, this is the stuff you guys want versus this is the stuff. We think you need Yeah, yeah, which is kind of an Apple like from the in a way Let's start with a few tech things you should know Before we get to all those Apple announcements, we have a few other stories last pass started rolling out the ability to use this Authenticator app to access a password vault on desktop rather than using that master password Master passwords will still be required for registering an account adding new trusted devices making account changes Or if a passwordless attempt fails epic games will distribute its first blockchain Based game on the epic game store later this year. It'll be the western themed battle royale Grit from gala games gala plans to publish more of its existing catalog on the epic game store in the future In a letter to Twitter Elon Musk's attorney Mike Ringler Accused the company of resisting and thwarting Musk's right to information on fake accounts on the platform Calling it a quote clear material breach of the merger agreement The letter maintains that Twitter is obligated to provide data for any reasonable business purpose Related to the consummation of the transaction. So that's what buyers remorse looks like Google agreed to pay a hundred million dollars to Illinois residents as a settlement for a class action lawsuit alleging that Google photos facial recognition violated the Illinois biometric Information Privacy Act that law forbids collecting biometric data without making individuals aware in writing and Telling how long the company is going to keep it residents that appear in photos or videos in Google photos from May 1st 2015 to April 25th 2022 have until September 24th of this year to submit their claim a final hearing is scheduled on September 28th Chinese state media reports that the floor covering and wall panel provider power Decor became the first company in Chongqing, China to pay taxes with the digital Yuan China rolled out a pilot of its virtual currency in the city back in April and the city surpassed 1 million digital wallets in May Another taxation news Gold Coast Australia mayor Tom Tate said that the city is researching accepting Bitcoin for local tax payments He said this would send a signal that we're innovative and bring in the younger generation No, the kids bring it in the kids. Alright Apple does tend to suck all the water out of the news lake When they do an announcement we we have an interesting thing about batteries here. We want to touch on real quick Yeah, we do so lithium ion batteries You probably have a device that is running one of those usually use a liquid electrolyte solution That limits the density of the battery. So they're good But they are limited an alternative as a ceramic battery that has no liquid I can pack more energy into a smaller space one option is organic polymers. They're cheap They're easy to make but they don't have the need of performance that a lot of people are looking for another option is using materials like sulfides and Oxides they're brittle and they're hard to manufacture at a large scale. So lots of options, but limitations for all Well, a Colorado company called solid power thinks they have found a way to make those sulfide based solid-state batteries at scale and Deal with those real brittle issues. So they're starting large scale pilot Manufacturing to prove it the test line has capacity for around 15,000 cells per year so this isn't mass producing for like selling cars But it's enough to be able to do a bunch of test vehicles This allows batteries that use alternative chemistry like lithium metal or silicon which are unstable or unsafe with liquid electrolytes, but are much safer with these solid state Even regular lithium ion chemistry would benefit with energy densities that could allow 500 miles on a charge at the same size as Current batteries allow 350 miles Also a benefit of these is solid batteries charge faster and are non flammable They also need fewer temperature controls and safety systems because of that that makes them cheaper to make And save space so you not only get a more dense energy You don't need as much space for each individual battery package Because you don't need all of the safety controls that a lithium ion liquid electrolyte battery needs, but there are some other challenges, right? Yeah, there are so aside from whether or not solid can overcome some of these manufacturing challenges is whether the batteries withstand Degradation over time which is something that all battery manufacturers have to deal with as well as liquid electrolyte batteries If all goes well solid things it can deliver batteries for its partners BMW and Ford to test later this year and get formal automotive Qualification solid also eventually wants to get the technology certified so it can sell the material to other battery makers Solid power hopes to be able to make enough material for 800,000 cars per year by 2028 so not tomorrow, but on the horizon. I don't know cheaper safer batteries That can go longer than existing batteries Terrence. I'm cheering for them. I hope they they make it work So this is in my opinion sounds like the Theranos effect and what I mean by that is This is a major big. It's a big claim And if only they could have proved it so I think solid, uh, thinks they have a Solution, but they're really going to have to prove it because I think we have been burned By previous attempts at major big claims, right? Yeah. Yeah, especially in batteries. You're you're not wrong about that The the the things that make me a little more a lot. Let me just say a lot more confident than I was about Is that they they are doing manufacturing and they've got partnerships with automobile companies You're not wrong proofs in the pudding. Let's let's see these things hit the road But they have they've gotten out of the lab at least and that that's that's very positive And I don't I don't think they're lying like Theranos. I mean, I guess I could be proven They gotta prove it now. They've already been we've already been burned. So it's like we are we are on the way to prove it though, which is good Yeah, yeah I would I would like to have a a car that can go 500 miles with a battery that won't explode Exactly very much into that It seems like uh, yeah, you know getting a leg up on the battery Manufacturing now if you're into EV's you might be into solar power as well If you're thinking of adding solar panels to your home Then you need to listen to our solar panel round table we put together myself Sarah and Some some guests one from the industry one who's a di wire one who just recently installed it on a suburban home Explain the process the things you need to consider what you can expect to spend what you can expect to save It's coming to your feed this Saturday But if you want it sooner you can support the show through patreon and you'll get it now It's already out for the patrons. So go support us at patreon.com slash d t n s Well, we know that most of you all are thinking about apple kicking off its worldwide developer conference monday with the usual keynote address Now usually wwdc is just operating systems, but for the first time since 2017 We have some hardware announcements. So let's start with the new chip m2 5 nanometer process 20 billion transistors. They say it's got 18 percent greater performance than the m1 They threw out a lot of other benchmarks that didn't have like really good They like they never labeled their x and y access So I feel like that's the solid one if they're saying it's 18 percent better than the one we already have That's that's a pretty good way to benchmark it for high performance for efficiency cores the gpu now goes up to 10 cores And one of the things that stuck out to me is it can support 8k h.264 video So you can do multiple streams of both 8k and 4k Tara or sarah Are you excited before we get to where they put the m2 about the m2? I'm excited because we've been hearing about the m2 for some time. It's great to have A hardware space that it lives. I was Thanks to btns. It's parent company. So brilliant. I was able to get The m1 macbook air, which was you know, one of the first m ones that anybody really had That was gosh two years ago now And I mean this thing cooks I've been so happy with it, you know the the novelty of like, oh, wow, you don't hear fan noise Oh, wow, everything is so fast has kind of worn off a little bit But man, you give me an m2 I don't really need a new laptop right now, but I want one And that's what I was going to say speaking of cooking How much more is this going to cook over an m1 or even To a greater extent an m1 pro Or an m1 pro max or is the m1 max? Yeah, yeah, I mean how much how much significantly more But on the flip side, you'll probably get to it a little bit later the price for these May just say why not get the best one? And nika we we finally got you in here you before we get to the back book air you got any thoughts on the m2 um For me, I think it's more of if you're in the in the market for something This is the time to buy I personally wouldn't upgrade because my m1 pro Is pretty snappy for what I use it for but I think it's more for folks who if you're already in the market You're looking for something you might as well get the latest and greatest Yeah, let's talk about the macbook air. It's got a squared off design no more wedge Uh, still still got the mag safe that the macbook pro had which I guess is new to the air Headphone jack two thunderbolt ports 13.6 inch display Um 11 millimeters thin 2.7 pounds four colors no fan 18 hour video playback battery life Uh and 1080p camera adobe atmos spatial audio new power adapter Comes with two usbc ports and the new macbook air supports fast charging. This one starts at $1,099 The m1 macbook air will stay on sale for $999 and then the macbook pro is gonna stay the same But they're going to start putting the m2 in it. So that's just a processor bump That will start at $1,399 and all of this available next month. So sarah now that now we've packaged it up. How do you feel? Well, you know, I this might be sort of a funny detail But because I'm an air fan. I have I've had macbook errors for years, but I've also had macbook pros Um kind of use them in conjunction the squared off design rather than the wedge Was sort of an interesting detail to me I wonder if it's Because apple felt like they got enough feedback that people were like, um Well, if you have the macbook air, you know, it doesn't look as pro as the macbook pro So, uh, let's uh, let's get everything looking a little bit similar. I love the wedge It's easy to fit into, you know, my variety of tote bags But I I guess that's you know, it's kind of how I feel about the iphone 13 as well as like, oh square it off got it Now I was going to say I think a lot of people liked the wedge So I'd be interested to see Of course, it's the internet, uh, people are going to complain about anything So I'm interested to see how many people are going to complain about this new air Not being a wedge but on the flip side, I think people are going to love that black, uh, that matte black I don't know if it's matte black or shiny black, but I think people are going to like that different color Midnight. Yeah. Yeah, and I think it Yeah, what do you think? I think it goes into apple's hole lately They've been on like the synchronicity type tour where they're trying to get everything, you know Aligned and look the same across the platform And I think the macbook air was the last of the the holdouts to get the new design So it it makes sense that they kind of moved it into look a little bit more like the current line of of macbooks Yeah, I'm curious why they announced this one at w w dc My guess is because they can release it and they didn't want to wait You know for a couple more months this this one's in the hopper and with supply chains being what they are once it's ready You you want to start selling it, right? Right because it's really not necessarily developer focused But you know, I guess they threw in a few developer things as they were going through each of the The kind of bullet points of what they were offering but again, this was definitely to me more consumer Focus than developer focused conspiracy theory. Maybe they use this hardware to throw us off no Reality os or the the reality augmented reality It's just a distraction. Yeah, here. Yeah, we'll give you something hardware. So yeah, maybe We also got new mac os. This was fully expected. The name is ventura One of the main new features coming is something called stage manager Where mission control command tab and launch pad have failed stage manager is going to try To win you over it's a new way to organize your windows This one moves all your windows to the side in a column on the left Except for your main app, which can be in the center Although you can pair apps in piles So you can have two to four apps together overlapping like a normal window with other groups of apps over on the left You can click on your desktop to clear windows. We also got some improvements to spotlight You're going to be able to find images search text inside images start a timer from spotlight Some richer results mail got undue send scheduled send Reminders for individual messages and some follow-up suggestions Safari's big things were sharing tabs with friends so that you can both see the same tab set As well as the phytos stuff that we've talked about before on the show pass keys They've able to the ability to use biometrics To log in through safari and sync in your keychain across all your apple devices as well as Use those pass keys with an iphone to log in on microsoft and google accounts Gaming is getting something called metal three One of the aspects of that is upscaling metal effects upscaling Let's you run at higher frame rates by rendering lower res frames and then upscaling them No man's sky is going to come to mac os ventura later this year using that And something called fast resource loading api that minimizes loading time and finally continuity Handoff FaceTime calls from your phone to your mac And i know terence. This is one that you like using your iphone as a webcam For your other apple devices. I think it would work with the ipad as well as with the mac Center stage portrait mode support something called studio light to to make your lighting a little more even They are able to show a top-down view using that wide angle lens that is separate from the front view So it's like a virtual top-down camera And this will work not just with FaceTime but with zoom with microsoft teams and a few other Devices and belkin's going to make some stands with magsafe So it'll be easy to pop them on top of a monitor or your or your laptop Screen lots of stuff in here sarah anything in particular you loved Well stage manager even though i'm not sure how much use i will make of it because i like my my dock and my My things all in a very specific way. I thought that um, especially just kind of uh testing the uh the temperature of what people were reacting to online I got a lot of people saying this is actually really cool. Um, that you know, obviously mac os Gives you a quite a bit of customization How you want to launch things how you want things to look how you want to how you want to use your launchpad, etc But I feel like this makes it more Customizable than ever really. Um, I don't know. I was talking to a couple people online like yeah, like what why would you know Anybody get a mac spend all that money and they just like let the dock be Hidden at the bottom of the screen in the default mode a lot of people like that Sure, but uh, I think you kind of have to make it yours Yeah, so I hide the desktop the icons and i'm actually a fan of and i'm pretty sure maybe One of the few people that actually uses the swipe Gestures to swipe between desktops, but I always forget in which order So i'm just sitting here like swiping Trying to figure out where my screen my so this stage man I i'm definitely going to give that a try because i'm one of those people are that not I don't want to use ocd because there are people out there who really have ocd So I don't want to but i'm very particular. I'll put it like that as far as I do work Well, I think that's fair, right and then like uh tom mentioned, uh, definitely being able to use my expensive iPhone as the probably the best Webcam that I probably have, you know, I have a nice webcam, but it's nowhere near an iphone camera So why not be able to use that for you know video conferencing like teams any sort of those Collaboration facetime that sort of thing. So i'm definitely looking out for those things and then finally I saw a tweet to so where somebody mentioned Oh apple finally remembered that they have a mail app because The oh gosh the schedule sending and the reminders and the undo send I think it's like a default feature for pretty much every other mail app versus Then just the mail app from apple. So they're finally catching up and saying hey, we do email as well Yeah, nika. What about you? Uh stage manager. I think I tweeted that was probably the biggest feature for me But I also like the desk view um I the whole idea with the continuity of being able to have your your regular, you know Forward-facing view, but also just being able to use that separate camera Just to kind of get a little foot down view if you're writing something if you have like a piece of hardware or something You're trying to show or if you're doing, you know Tutorial or anything like that you can actually have the hardware visible relatively easy Rather than having to set up a different angle a different camera so it's down those types of things So those are probably my my two biggest ones. Yeah, they're they're they're sure locking a bunch of of Apps that already do this, right? and and if it works really well then You know, that's going to send a bunch of apps off into the sunset Which is not unusual apple apple does that from time to time So we'll we'll see how well this works sidecar works pretty well if this works as well or better than that Then I think it's okay. If not, I don't know Yeah, sidecar tries a little bit too hard sometimes Yeah, yeah, uh, all right. Let's talk about ios 16 customizable lock screens you can have more than one lock screen in fact kind of like watch faces You can swipe between them Also messages gets an edit and undo send button somebody at the verge live blog Joked that messages got edit before twitter did Notifications will roll in from the bottom in ios 16 and some of them will be able to persist An update without having to give you multiple notifications They used scores of a basketball game as a good example of that instead of constantly getting updated on the score It'll just persist and show you the score and what the latest play was Something like that. You can opt in push notifications for websites now in safari on ios 16 Safety check is another new feature that makes it easier to reset who you share your accounts and passwords with Uh, a live text is getting some updates so you can translate within the camera And maps gets multi-stop routing and you can send routes from a desktop to an iphone This will all require an iphone 8 or later iPhone 16 or i'm sorry ios 16 will not be available for the 6s The se original or the iphone 7 those will now be stuck on ios 15 betas for this and by the way for for ventura and the ipad os that we're going to talk about All coming in july with full releases coming later this year sarah, uh, what's got you excited about ios 16? well, I mean I hate to say like cool multiple lock screens, but I actually I actually do like the idea of that I feel like the lock screen is very personality based and you might want different, uh, widgets, um, and And uh, you know certain things depending on what you're doing at any given time Notifications rolling in from the bottom. I'm gonna have to get used to that You know when I first heard that I was like, oh no, that's not. I mean swipe down. That's all I do That's all I do all day. That's where my notifications come from But you get used to these things pretty quickly Nika terrence anything jump out at either of you as as new and potentially exciting or cool I would say the live tiles. I mean, I'm sorry. I'm gonna say live tiles I meant to say live Live activities Definitely been looking forward to that For a long time since windows phone even introduced the live tiles idea. I mean, I thought that was just pretty dope So for apple to finally bring it in and just for the lock screen I'm definitely looking forward to them actually Eventually, hopefully migrating that to other areas of ios But just to have it in the lock screen to where you can customize like tom mentioned like the Watch face and then even the complications to be able to add that there to where you can get at a glance information That's changing like they mentioned Uh, if you're uh, if you hella uber you can actually on the lock screen see where the car is and Estimated times and things of that nature without having to open up the open up the phone Unlock it go into that and actually see that information having that information there As far as other the things that you can customize on the lock screen I think it's going to be the thing that most people do once ios 16 arrives Sounding like a broken record the lock screen when I first saw the live activities The first thing that popped in my mind was terrence. I was like he's been hoping for Something like this for he's talking about it on our show for quite a bit And I was like it's finally, you know rolling its way in but I think the redesign of the lock screen is definitely I think it's definitely key for for this release because they did include a lot of new things in that and it's one of those things where Having to you know, they did the whole thing where you can unlock the phone with your mask on now You can put the things that you care about the most on your lock screen So you don't have to necessarily worry about unlocking your phone to check a tax door to see like the uber's coming Are those types of things? So it just makes it a little bit easier To navigate and manage your phone with all of the other things that we have to kind of take into consideration But to have it there at a quick view without having to swipe up and unlock or Tap screen or to whatever it is to unlock your phone depending on the advice you have I think it's one of those things that people are going to be very I think it's going to be very useful and it's going to get a lot of use out of everybody Yeah, and and I think the way they tied it into focus mode So you could have like a work lock screen and a weekend lock screen and a family time lock screen I think people might use that the focus filters that do that to tabs and safari and conversations and messages and And mail that that's interesting too a couple other things to note here real quickly dictation Got a lot of updates Uh, so if you're needing to talk the keyboard will stay up and you can use the keyboard and dictation at the same time If you want to a new developer api called app intense, let's developers use siri with zero setup That's going to be a big one. Also apple wallet getting apple pay later splits your cost into four equal payments by now Pay later is a huge thing And apple coming for that is very interesting You're also getting some order tracking features and stuff like that And family sharing quicker setup of parental controls parental control quick start Screen time request stuff like that in there as well A couple other things that that were packaged into that They made a big deal that matter is coming whenever matter finally launches apple's gonna support it And car play is going to work on multiple screen shapes and layouts Coming to vehicles next year So you will be able to customize widgets for say the the speedometer You know your gauges across an entire dashboard if the entire dashboard is a screen car play can work across that entire screen I thought that was interesting Yeah, I think vehicles is it's a huge market now Everybody is getting into updating and Fancifying, you know vehicles and I think this is just another way. I think in lieu of the Apple rumored apple card. This is maybe their way as to saying hey We don't quite have the apple card ready, but you can get a little bit of our Mojo in your current vehicle by using car play. I was thinking that too It's like, well, this is a side benefit of having worked on a car for 10 years As you got some you got some cool car interfaces showing up All right, let's talk about watchos 9 You're getting The ability to have some new banner notifications new siri ui some new running metrics vertical oscillation You know how how much up and down when you're running stride length and ground contact time heart rate zones so you can say keep me at 160 beats per minute for this long Then don't let me go below 140 stuff like that Customize your workout for running you can you can add your own distance and time intervals get haptic and voice alerts for those That also is going to be available in the fitness app on iphone So you won't have to have a watch You'll be able to use the iphone motion sensors to take advantage of a lot of this because the fitness app Is coming to all iphone users Also adding sleep stages to the sleep tracking on the watch rem sleep core and deep sleep stage Not not michael's type sleep, but rem sleep They should have called it orange crash It can contribute data to sleep studies if you want to help improve how useful this data is as well There's also more details on tracking AFib in your heart It can tell you the time of day or week when your AFib is more frequent if you're somebody that has it frequently You can share that with your doctor with a pdf fda clearance for that coming soon and medication reminders So that you can just scan the label of your prescription and it will add the reminder to the health app Look for any medication interactions with your other medications to alert you about and uh I was excited that level thigh rocks I got a shout out in the screenshots because that's what I take so it felt particularly noted to me. What do I use there? Uh sleep stuff. I love it. I know a lot of people don't wear their apple watches overnight Because you know some it for some folks. It's not very comfortable I have been tracking my sleep using my fitbit app and my uh my my fitbit device for years now and I mean in the morning, that's one of the most interesting metrics I have You know, maybe I go like I feel like I slept really well and I kind of see like, okay. This is rem sleep This was what apple is calling core sleep, which is Light sleep if you're using fitbit and then you got your deep sleep. You need all three you do um And a combination of all three as long as you're sleeping a certain amount of hours per night And you're not up and down and you know too hot or too cold All of that actually contributes to you having a much more pleasant day the next day So this is something that I've been waiting for with the apple watch because I thought that even though You know having only been an apple watch user for a couple of months now That was the one thing where I was like They're really lagging behind fitbit on this data because this data is really important to people Especially people like me who sort of suffer from chronic insomnia and want to know as much as we can about how to make it better Yeah, so I don't I'm one of those people that don't wear my apple watch when I sleep But I do wear my apple watch when I nap. So they need to come up with rem nap and And all these different stages Wouldn't you be able to be like sort of like the way that it's like, are you about to go on a run? You seem like it's like you've been you've been a horizontal for some time. Are you about to take a nap? You won't be able to notify it till you or to act on it till you wake up So it had to be like it looks like you just took a nap. We tracked it. Do you want us to record that? Yeah, yeah, and then in addition to that Yeah, go ahead. No, I was gonna say in addition that the medications that seems that seems like a perfect A perfect Feature for the health app to have for people to be able to Use their phone to track their medications medications. How much they take, you know reminders things that it seems like a perfect fit Yeah, especially if you're taking multiples for me. It's easy. I've got one a day I take it in the morning But but you know someday I'll have more because as you get older you do and and it helps to be able to track those Nika, what about you? um the updates seem pretty Okay, I mean none of them really apply to me so much. I don't really I was looking through the list and when they were going through the announcement. I was like, okay Okay, nothing really kind of jumps out at me for what I use my Apple watch for In some of these updates, but it sounds like I think specifically the medications I think that can be very helpful for people Um, so I think that's probably for me probably the biggest thing that I think will We'll get a lot of use out of folks for All right, let's finish up with ipad os ipad os 16 Getting a weather app which apparently got cheers in the the small in-person crowd that was there and weather kit for developers now Some collaboration stuff so you can you can start a FaceTime call from within a dock Share a link to everyone in a messages group that lets you start a you know collaborating on a share sheet without having to just Share a link to the dock itself A sneak peek at a new app coming later this year for called freeform That is basically a white boarding app. So there's sure locking white boarding apps there That'll be coming not only to the ipad but iphone and mac too Some more about gaming The ability to do background background download with an api so you don't have to interrupt gaming to do the downloads and inching towards true multitasking With undo redo across the system find and merging contacts redesign find and replace customizable toolbars Virtual memory swap allows apps to address up to 16 gigabytes of memory and stage manager that window management for the mac Is coming to the ipad along with full external display support and resizing windows when you're using stage manager Including overlapping windows on ipad os up to four of them And you can have up to eight apps visible on a screen at once just almost like our true multitasking out os For some time, uh, you know you you read the articles of someone saying I decided to forego my macbook pro I'm a mac user and i'm just using my ipad full time and once upon a time that was like Well, what are the limitations and now most people even pro users are especially with the ipad pro like it's it's great It is a laptop. I don't even use my laptop anymore. Obviously form factor matters Everybody has their preferences, but all of these updates just say to me. Okay. Well, if you want to use ipad os as your As your as your main everyday computer That's just apple saying. All right. Let's give you more of those pro tools that you Would have previously said well, I need my laptop for this. I gotta, you know, pull that back out of the drawer Exactly when they when they were going through the updates for ipad os I said the gap is shrinking even more with each release It's it's it's shrinking a little bit more and it's getting closer and closer To being again synchronicity with the whole alignment So i'm interested to see where it goes next because Again, the gap is narrowing so much That what's going to be the I guess the huge deciding factor now between You know a pro and a ipad pro Not too much as it relates to the price because I was in the apple store last week. My daughter went to one of those Today sessions in apple to where you can go and take the classes and while she was doing her class I was walking around looking at all the different products and the keyboard covers with the Trackpad and the keyboard. I mean it feels like a computer, but I just could not Get over the price for that thing. It was like two or three hundred dollars But if you're adding like an ipad pro and you're using that keyboard cover And you have a mouse. It's almost exactly the same price as a macbook pro So it's almost like that line is blurring even more when you Consider all the things you need to actually say I can use an ipad versus a macbook. Yeah All right, let's let's wrap up our our final thoughts on the w w dc Mine is i'm really glad they finished before two hours was up. Uh, they They blazed through the announcements Did they uh But but yeah these I it was interesting to see them announce hardware and and I thought the operating system announcements Were not blowing me away, but they were all decent announcements They were they were all all things that that I look forward to having access to sarah. What about you? Yeah, over the weekend a friend of mine. I said, oh DC is on monday. I have to remember that and they were sort of like what is that and I said well Developers conference and you get a lot of ios stuff that will you know, we'll all see you know Potentially in the fall and what apple might be working on but yeah, no no big like new iphone Still was an iphone today, but there were some hardware announcements and that is somewhat unusual I think we're all in sort of unusual times for a lot of companies that are announcing things But apple stays pretty You know close close to the the chest when it comes to the sort of stuff So I don't know how many huge surprises we got but it was a more well rounded announcement for the consumer folks Yeah, I'd like to say I appreciate the fact that they are really Making ios more personalizable if that's a word Um, give you the yeah, yeah customizable. I was trying to mesh personalize To where is really not a brand new os I think people are still kind of waiting for a brand new look to ios versus just the Lock screen and you go through the different apps But being able to customize the lock screen like we mentioned before being able to do the focus mode for more than just Reminders and notifications Giving all those features. I think is really apple really saying, okay, we don't have a brand new os But let's let's start with you personalizing the crap out of this one to get it exactly the way you like it And I think I appreciate that the most Yeah, and the personalization I think we've talked about it many times before it's like I want to be able to control more Of what my device looks like so I think apple heard that and they are You know giving people what they said they wanted I will say I was a little bit surprised And I guess because we have the whole week that there it wasn't hugely developer focused And you would think the keynote for wwc which is a developer conference would have more I guess dev focused type of Of content they did kind of throw in a new api here and api there But um, I think I was a little bit surprised that it wasn't a little bit more Dev-centric because to me this was like a regular apple event for for consumers Yeah, no, I was surprised by that too. No mac pro. I thought if we got an m2, we'd we'd also get a mac pro Uh, because it's developers and developers using the mac pro, uh, and and I thought we'd get maybe get reality os If not, you know, maybe not get the actual, uh avr headset But but maybe get the beginning of the os and we didn't get at least a mention or something Yeah, nothing Well, nika monford and tarence gains always a pleasure to have you for apple announcements and any other time as well But today was today was a lot of fun. Uh, nika, let's start with you. Where can folks keep up with your work? I am pretty much uh at tech savideva on all social media Um, I pretty much live on twitter. You can find me there most of the time and again I am one half of the snobby west show so you can definitely find us over there at snobby west cast dot com Excellent. Yeah, go ahead. That's the other half. I'm the other half Of the snobby west cast. Uh, you can find me at brother tech dot com That's where my website is even though I feel like Websites are becoming obsolete to where everybody's just like, all right. Well, just do twitter So like nika mentioned, I'm mostly on twitter and in addition to the snobby west cast myself And uh, stephanie humphrey and rob dunwood who have all been on this show We have our own a podcast called the tech john where we talk all things tech but from a diverse diverse Perspective so you can find us there at the tech john dot com Excellent, uh, really good shows and always good to have you both here with us Also quick. Thanks to our brand new boss head cleric of crom head cleric Just started back at us on patreon over the weekend. Thank you. Good cleric. That's good to have a cleric in the party. Yeah Yeah, yeah, I feel like we all benefit from that in some way. 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