 Morning once again, and thanks for joining us on the breakfast on plus TV Africa now Let's go to the papers and see what major stories have made headlines this Tuesday morning I'm starting with the daily independent newspapers, and we expect that to be flashed on your screen in just a few seconds Would of of course we all introduce and our guests right after sharing the stories. Yes. It says there major one safety concerns in aviation as skilled staff Dump agencies pilots engineers air traffic controllers resign and Mars It says also federal government should have borrowed to grow economy not only exit recession, and that's from former governor Peter Obey Buhari ok's 13 billion Naira for community police involved volunteers Directs local production of weapons to meet armed forces needs Okay, also EFCC laments rising corruption among bank officials Justifies declaration of assets directive and SARS Lakers police worn against planned memorial protest and state Congress APC makes drug test mandatory for contestants in canoe Nandrin Eagle pilots engineers one National Assembly to stare clear of NCA a say reps undermining agencies autonomy Don't also leave us out of politics IPOB once in a toba 2022 gubernatorial elections. I'm ready to contest and win IKITI says only Away from the daily independent the daily trust now Ministers sack looms as Buhari supervises appraisal It says also a once cabinet members on mandate delivery President in race against time says ex-permanent secretary 2023 attempts to cause rift between Tinubuan and Ushibando will fail says the presidency and after 20 million era ransom Boogundoo emmer still in captivity Constituents Taco, Bajabi amila over delaying declaring late platoon reps seat vacant Also on the daily trust this morning 1.3 million Nigerian girls drop out of schools annually says UNICEF We can also see further devaluation would worsen poverty unemployment expert counters Ushim Bajo and also anti-open grazing it senseless to enact unforeseeable law says on bus or bus a key Now to the punch newspapers big one there says states lament deductions demand probe Subsidy rises to to 8.2 billion Naira daily For subsidy opaque and NPC acts as government on its own says commissioners forum States helpless over deductions federal government a dictator says a Delta commissioner Also on the punch work begins on 16.39 trillion Naira budget Senate panel gets documents today and Budget federal government are located 4.2 billion Naira to Moribond, Ajakuta steel We can also find here Experts differ as Ushim Bajo says exchange rates artificially low Federal government stopped residency payment after strike suspension says N.A.R.D. That's interesting And also ICRC a reigns ex-presidential aid Obunna Obla for certificate fordering Lassa fever kills 77 in a dough undo others and 356 hospitalized Evacuated destitute area boys to be kept for monitoring says on those state and Also here sit at home gunshots rocker Nambra guard killed in Enugu emo state grounded I think we're gonna move away from the punchdown see finally what we can find on the leadership Experts and others oppose Ushim Bajo on Naira devaluation Our current forex is artificially low not good for investments as the vice president And we can also see here for the 4% of Nigerian girls marry before 18 years says a report military kills 30 bandits in Zamfara Gombe grants autonomy to legislature and judiciary and PDP chairmanship northern leaders divided over mark Shema, Dankwambo and Ghana Finally on the leadership this morning Nigerian economy vulnerable at 75% debt servicing says additional We'll say good morning to our guest this morning. Mr. Chris Wando. Thank you so much for joining us this Tuesday morning Thank you for having me. Good morning. We're to have you on the program. All right. I'm gonna start with the story on the form from a governor of Anambra state Petal be and this is on the daily independent saying federal government should have borrowed to grow economy not Only to exit recession. Let's start with that one. What are your thoughts? Absolutely. And that's what for me said when I We had that Mr. I'm not saying that Has it said the Recession to burying that didn't make any sense to me We should be hurrying to develop our infrastructure grow our infrastructure because basic and Reason why you go is going past or turn I'm able to make money to pay back That's why you not go to now Pay your loan and does it make any sense? Nobody does that. We should be thinking of capacity-duty Mental projects with the money we are borrowing because that's supposed to be the legacies that the government will leave behind if they are boring just to service that there what legacy I Capital projects are totally collapsed In the past really what you just continue to see is the current a special But I saw last time we had it initially to a fight but from what the minister said, we are now using about 74% of our Revenue to service that then what is left? You are talking about 20 to the 60 cents for other Sages and running of government capital projects and all the likes then that is why We are going to slide into poverty So come that was a session is not it for me. The fact is that the money that support can you account for them? Because this government is not going to pay back those bills. Don't forget. I saw That's what I want to do Yesterday about where it analyzed how much you are nice and individual as Nigeria's I'm sure you saw that too So you as you are sitting down there. You are always supporting support in us. It was about 70,000 To your name and We have nothing nothing to do with those very soon I totally agree with which will be in that was a forget that this is a god somebody was a cop not for it Yes, and he left and they made a mark in an ambrosia You are not talking about not Pandora Initially when he came out yesterday to defend himself on some of these choose race and he said who he said he's been Trying about 500 million in my country, please. I Take it if wherever I find that problem Take it and he came out to say that I did not see any money From them I came out and gave an account of myself I have not seen any cop not done that it's since 1999. They must give the balance sheet So what was then what is there what he even left in she has he left to say what they left in chess left in cash In fact, I remember the day he was running that it was He had made it money that it was on various banks And he said I have to a month in your Rehearsals to a month in your Please confirm and Say yes, I never has that you caught the next one and they are safe. We have so so I'm at your account. Please confirm that so Yeah, I want you to also quickly you're very briefly respond to some of the things I was saying earlier how We seem to place certain people on a different standard from the others You know very many of the people Will not be placed or you know expected to declare or make these same statements explaining the source of their wealth While they of course seek political office But you know, we would of course expect or Nigerians will know with demand from persons like Peter will be While there's other people who have cost questionable somehow some way source of wealth They wouldn't be actually same questions He who comes to keep comes with clean hands Peter will be definitely from what he has been doing has nothing to hide Don't forget that there are also some one or two governors and even the current governors that we are accused of such if you remember and all they just did just issue a present to their chiefs Prosecution be to be is coming out with figures which talk mess to back And he said that he said I wasn't a poor man when I became a governor Don't forget that I was chairman of a bank our house driving businesses across the globe and the rest of them. So but I In as much I don't want to Some of our colleagues But I don't think that what was so in the because if you look at people that would be any look You will see that there are certain individuals that he expected and then to come up There are so many of them and that we know they have And Mansions that have official accounts that have it is across the globe you as a to buy I tend to look at this as politics about politics to some extent because 2023 is a and I don't want to believe that some people have been trying to Proof fire just basically because of politics But even to bring down who's realized that there's so many people that is supposed to be on that is that means so bet Enough as I said, it's good that people is coming out Predecessor and he says if you have anything and I overheard I'll have one of the details of a criminal times one of the registrations Speaking about that investigation, I think it was the guy was the head of the station And he said that we are not saying that people needs to money. What we're listening that he did not Declare his asses when he came to Give full disclosure we are not saying that the man stole money and that to me Is if it's just not this very is always I said then all well and good But what I should be thinking or that one looking at you that have stolen so much from the from the process of Nigeria It's those are the people who should be looking at all right now Let's still on the daily independent if you see that says and SARS Lagos warns against planned memorial protests share your views on that one and Let's know what you think Well, there's no there's nothing There's no law against peaceful process. I think that have been dealt with by the Supreme Court of Nigeria So every Niger has a right to protest at any given point of time if you agree by any policy of government or any issues that Consigns you only the only way you be breaking the law if it becomes violent If it becomes valid then you can you be arrested and they prosecuted and if there's just a distortion of life on purpose Then you can also be arrested. I think for me those that are marking the one year anniversary of answers Right to do that. I don't have any talent with that But the problem is that can you be able to also Be able to make sure that this does not get out of place Are you sure that who does not take advantage of that protest and be able to recover we see that separately in Nigeria and especially Mr. Wando, Mr. Wando, you know, I know that, you know, I know what the law says and I'm sure a lot of people also know that Peaceful protesting is not, you know illegal in Nigeria The challenge really is the way that the Nigerian police force Addresses peaceful protesters that seem to be, you know, painting government in the bad light It is the speed at which You know, policemen are sent on the streets to clamp down on protesters that aren't causing any harm or damage or aren't being violent And have been entirely peaceful and you've seen this multiple times not just in Lagos across the country I think that's where the challenge is and You know when you speak about, you know, how do you prevent it be from being, you know hijacked by hoodlums and this and that it's not the role of the protester To ensure that hoodlums don't hijack a protest or don't cause violence It is still the responsibility of security agents to protect the protesters and ensure that whoever is causing mayhem is arrested, isn't it? That's what that's where I was headed for you came in. I said I was going to say that But the police also hold the protest that The protection on this is because what you do is that During that, the police were supposed to be more like a shield, to be able to guide the Protester to make sure that the protest is not hijacked by hoodlums. That's what I was also going to do because I am saying that It's a two-way thing Even when the police is there, we can be rest assured that some of these things at times get hijacked I remember my days in the university where we started a protest against any issue and the rest of them Once we hit the express, you see so many people joining us I'm sure you are aware of that you see some even if the police is there We see people you see mechanics you see drivers see all sorts of people that take advantage In fact, they are the first set of people that start matching roadblocks even before with the students So those are the issues I'm talking about. So most often than not, I think and I believe that that's the way this protest can be held Without necessarily making sure, without necessarily getting these hoodlums to take advantage of that situation And of course, Mehem Don't forget that also the answer, you saw the how the answers protest ended You know, it started on a very good note. People coming to the togate, you know Protesting with this fully and sharing food, music and the rest of it It was who spoke until at the point where the security agents came in As that dispersing them put up a light and rest of them and it went out of control So the I think there should be a meeting point between the protestant and police So that we can have a very, very peaceful bet In fact, as I said, the every individual, every Nigerian has a right to protest And once it's peaceful, that is love If Supreme Court has so many times and the Supreme Court has this one That's why I'm saying that you don't need to get any police by me to protest That was decided by the Supreme Court So you and I are the same page on this Just before we move on to another story, because I want us to talk next about the budget Isn't it, you know, what does, you know, the fact that there's still conversations about a memorial protest What does that even, what does that say to you? Does it, you know, maybe say that the reasons behind the protest And the justice that, you know, those people sought one year ago Is still missing in the conversation Justice for victims is still missing in the conversation And the slow pace with which those panels that were set up Have been running in the last one year is still not satisfactory enough And almost a lot of people can see that this is just a waste of time Is that what it interprets to you? Or would you say that these, you know, young Nigerians are really just impatient with the Nigerian government And looking for means to protest once again? Memorial are used to remember certain individuals' events See today, Martin Luther King, they have been declared And you know that there's a memorial at that effect on the years, over 50 years now And you have the Martin Luther King there and on that the people still protest There's still racial segregation in the U.S. Just yesterday, we were watching the national news We were seeing where a particular fiscally challenged black man Was pulled out of a car by police and put a light in the U.S. That is the 19th, so it is an ongoing thing And to back to Nigeria answers, definitely yeah Some people were allegedly killed And their memories will have to be celebrated, that is one Two is also to a reminder to the government that some of the things that we protest against Has not been addressed Thirdly, don't forget that look at the Lagos panel that was set up See now that panel has not been able to deliver And close, finish delivering judgments, must have been issues That panel is still on, one year after And has not been any substantial success in the activities Most of the time the police, the military are invited and they don't show up So from the organizers of the protest It's just a reminder of what happened last year And to remind government that some of the reasons why we protest have not been addressed Although you say you are going to address it That was a committee that was set up by the federal government Where you have to do some of these leaders of this protest as members What had come out of that Then those that were killed, had to be compensated The families to be compensated and addressed So there must always be a full closure Until that is done, you don't see people just giving in Some of these things So I believe that the essence is just to remind the federal government And ideas that some of the issues that we raised last year Is still a strong one And just to also quickly mention before we move to talking about budget That there was of course reports that I saw yesterday That James Wanfo, one of the police officers in Nanambra state That was accused of some of the most gruesome crimes Is currently the Chief Security Officer to Chaosun One of the candidates for the Nanambra state government elections Which of course also makes it seem like justice really for those victims Who may never be gotten But let's move away from that and talk about the budget It says on the punch, top of the punch this morning Federal government allocates 4.2 billion Naira to Moribond Ajaukuta Steel It's quite unfortunate that we are still having all the issues Of making budgetary allocations to most of these companies That's Moribond as it were It's not just Ajaukuta Steel Don't forget what has happened in the past three years With the refineries You remember how much we continue to allocate to the refineries Arduna, Wari, Otakaut and the rest of them And none of these refineries have been able to turn on one single litre of oil And we spent trillions and trillions of Naira In turn around maintenance And we have not been able to maintain anything And we continue to report Particularly close to about 99% of our oil imports With full consumption of petrol consumption are imported So I don't know why we are still pumping money Into Ajaukuta When what we have done is go into collaboration with private companies And on the Balatra agreements Be able to hand it over to them to be able to handle Ajaukuta Steel company as I've already said Is one hell of a company that If properly put in place can help us Out of the current economic situation find ourselves With some trillions and trillions of Naira Into that project I've been there about twice Once as a youth couple when I started in Kapa In the current good estate And I went on the excursion to play I was shocked by what Is a place that you cannot even go or talk Within one week because it's so large So what I thought that And there was a time that the government came up And said that we are going back to partnership With the Russians that built the Ajaukuta Steel And made sure that we revive it Till now I don't know what happened to that initiative So if you are pumping billions of Naira into it What do you intend to give to I think the solution for that May is to go back to the drawing board And have some kind of agreement With private companies who are interested Or still convinced them Let's try to balkanize it And divide it into various segments And as particular companies to take it The NNPC that we are now employing NNPC through the DIA I think the same thing can happen with Ajaukuta Steel And so many others too Don't forget we need to have a larger store Still rolling mill We used to have Koshubu still rolling mill Those are a huge investment That if you have been able to sustain that Then I don't think that would have been where we are today But all those still rolling companies Are totally at the last successive government That puts their eyes to it And the whole place has just gone to junky acts Which is not good enough for us We are talking of the respiration of our economy From just one product Where we have so many other companies That we can make money That I don't think we are looking to Also moving on to the daily trust Newsweek is one that saw something pretty interesting It says here, ministers sack looms As Buhari supervises appraisal Ex-permanent sector says the president Is in a race against time Do you expect that there might still be Some changes with the president's team Of course as we approach 2023 If the same president, I know since 2015 That I don't expect anything to come out of it President has in New York sticking with us Left-hand and ministers are sitting here One or two that we have seen or presented Just for due to certain circumstances Which the president... Don't forget that some people have been This government and ministers for six years The same with the president And they are not performing And nothing has been done to them So I don't know... Let's wait and see But I'm not optimistic About his appraisal or whatever A race against time The president had a mandate of eight years He has spent almost six years What will he be able to achieve in three years That he has not been able to achieve in six years I wouldn't know But if that is the way The new initiative I represent I stated the president as a The president of the Federation And the chief executive of Nigeria State too On the project basis Appraise these ministers Not only the minister, the prime minister Secretaries and even head of MDAs And MTAs And there should be There should be a performance Schedule for all of them If you fall below this standard There you go That's what should be done Because their activity or inactivity Will affect the president as a person Because at the end of the week It will be head responsible No minister will be head responsible It will be Buhairi's government And not routine And MCHI's government Or Pashola's government Or the president The box stops at the desk of the president Not even at the desktop Of the vice president of Shibat Is the president So if it's not what he's supposed to do To make sure that these ministers For goodness sake Remember that Where you work lost TV There is a standard That the management put in place Everybody has a standard You have a goal You have a vision The organization have a vision They have a vision If you cannot get to that vision A mission Then you show the way out That is supposed to be the same thing With governance If the ministers are not performing We don't need to be for anybody To be able to tell you that This guy is not performing And it's not doing What does it tell What does it tell If we go six This is what Almost the seventh year Of the current administration What does it tell If we go that long You know There's barely any changes made And even the time That the service chiefs were changed It took more than a year Two years of persons clamoring For them to be changed Does it say to you That it's either the president Doesn't understand that These people are failing Or he understands That it's not their fault That they haven't done well enough It's leadership failure Leadership deficits Lack of leadership Because you are as good As you are in the last game When you go into Just like Niger just You show what happens In the match Niger have a CR I remember you I was watching What you were talking about I think on the day of the match When you say the rules We are blocked And the rest of them And you are complaining And the rest of them Niger lost that match And what happened In the second leg That was played in Cameroon Last weekend The church has made some changes And brought some more Viable And musky football players And what happened We turned that defeat To winning And Niger won 2-0 This was a thing that beat 1-0 in Nigeria But it went to Cameroon To beat CR 2-0 That is leadership That is what What leadership plays So if you see any of these People are not performing The book is on you Because you are the one that Appointed them Let me take this for that Don't forget what the president said Initially When he came in I appointed People are complaining It's the most of those I appointed as minister He didn't know them I'm sure you remember that I remember Yes He said he didn't know them Then we gave him The benefit of that If you didn't know them I went to watch them For about 3 years And they are not Why didn't you know them Then in 2019 You now appointed them This time I cannot say That you didn't know them You appointed these people To work with you And they are not delivered So that is what That is leadership If it's on the part Of the government It's on the part Of the president That means that The president Is not in what Is supposed to do If he be able To speak On top of this 90% of this minister Should just Wait For others We have people Who are capable To do this They have not Been given the opportunity To do that And that is what We are finally I said Look at the economy How to study the economy Is in Shambu And we have a minister Of finance We have a minister Of economy Plan We have The governor Of central power We have so many people Within the economy We are getting it Right Somebody is coming How much How much How much Is it now That is what We should be looking at All right And I think finally We can just quickly share I'm not sure which to go with now There's a story in the punch Here that says Federal government Stopped residency payment After strike suspension And that's from the NARD If you can quickly Just share your thoughts On that one If we have time to Also squeeze in another story Yeah Well It should be I'm sure that The Niger-American enemy That has the NARD Not to suspend the strike That should be They should take that for Because they already Want to ask their colleagues To suspend this strike Who wants some people To believe that Most of Even NARD said We are saying that Most of the agreement With the government Is on that The government So the NMA came out And then took side With the government And they asked NARD To suspend Which led to the suspension Of that strike So even NARD is coming The suspension There is a suspension Or there is a suspension Of the allowances Then I think It's caused by All within the period Of Niger Medical Association To go back to the government That's negotiated With NARD For the government To do the need for So the bug now To me I wouldn't believe The government As far as this is concerned I think of them The NMA But not be able To do the need for And do the justice Because of the Neglicition With the government The NPC Makes drug test Mandatory For contestants In Cano Mr. Wando I'm sure you are laughing Just as I am here What we do Is drug test Is it that they are taking Iku Or cocaine Or Which of this Is the address of them Well The problem we have Is not the issue Of drug test Or policy That's The problem we have Is lack of capacity And Corruption That is our problem Not even the same Cano That we are talking about Do you hear that The wife of the governor Was recently arrested By the AFCC That he was I'm sure he was Correct Yes I do That yes The wife Is a familiar Because it was The son that reported That the AFCC And he said This woman Has leased me Of my own The rest of it So I think It can be Problem of Nigeria As a policy Is not about drugs Is the ability Of Nigerian politicians To pay to people On their promises And get And get accountable To Nigerians Who elected them So if you are making A promise to me That should be a mechanism Where if you are not Delivered That I can Be able to recall Or send you packing So those are the issues So it's not just About drug If you are talking About drug Then you can Most of our Leaders Are so called That it's not the issue For me The issue is lack of capacity And ability What we are doing Is picking people That are not Capable for the job If we get the right People that can Do the job Not just because Of politics And rest of it Then you can Get the job done There are so many That we have got The technocrats And they delivered Most of them Are not If you say What happens In the passenger Regime Most of those That they work Were technocrats Of those guys And rest of them And they delivered And even in Economy The key The bulk Of our problem Now Is economy That's why I'm talking Of federal And I'm not talking Of current Economy If I get The economy Right Then I'm sure That it But to The Canary State APC I don't know Is it NDA That I want to Don't forget The problem Is Making sure That we get The right people To do the job Making sure That we put The right The square peg In the square hole Or round peg In the round hole Then we can deliver Maybe I'm saying I'm going to test After that The person The tomorrow If he goes Back to drug What we do What we do I think It also Is a picture Of the Drug That isn't Spoken about enough I think That's also where it's Pointing at But also On the daily independent Top right It says Buhari OK's 13 billion Naira For community Policing Volunteers Directs Local production Of weapons To meet Armed forces Needs Well I want to say That Community policing And state Policing Is the way forward So Open and good Let my problem That I hope That money Will not go Into certain pockets And that will be End of it You know The way we work Is here We put some money For a particular And end of it I don't know Let me Let me Let me Let me Let me Let me Let me Let me Let me Let me Let me Let me Let me Let me Let me Let me Let me Let me Let me Let me Let me Let me Let me Let me Let me Let me Let me Let me Let me Let me Let me Let me Let me Let me Let me Let me Let me Let me Let me Let me Let me Let me Let me already in South West, other regions are also looking at the civilian JTF in the North. That is community policing. So the ones that the president is making money at, he's going to assist the states who already have most of his community policing, or is it coming up with another system of policing as it were. But for me, the challenge is not coming up with such initiative is are we sure that not many would be used for what it's supposed to be. But most importantly, this very current police is underfunded. If you think that you need that money, for me, I would rather that you just put that money into policing and ask them to recruit more, to give the police that to the certain people and get them to recruit more people into the force. And we might have some changes, but how many policemen do we have about 500,000 out there, but for a country of about 200 million people, it's not possible to police that. So I am for community policing and for police, state policing, but I think that fund can be utilized properly. And I hope that we're not going to private focus as it's always the police had it. Okay. And also, you know, the conversation about locally produced weapons, are we being serious with that? We have been producing weapons in the past. We have been producing weapons, what is it, this small arm, I've forgotten the name, small arm, whatever. I think it's a cardinal something like that, that meant to produce small arms. I mean, we can do that. I think we can definitely produce enough small arms in Nigeria, but sometimes because somebody, I think a minister, somebody came at that in the next few years, we're going to come up with our own fighter jets and the rest of them, somebody came at some time to say all that. And I was just laughing. If you cannot produce ordinary AK-47 or chakapula that you needed to put, they're talking about weapons. It is something we can do. It's still brought down to leadership and funding. If those places are funded, well, I know there's a company or agency that's, I can't remember the name, Nabex, if you Google it, you see, that started with the responsibility, federal government agencies started with the responsibility of producing small arms. And so they can do this. They can do in the thousands and hundreds and the rest of them. All we need to do is make sure that we give them all the necessary measures and ability to support. So that because getting this arm from across the other parts of the world is becoming expensive. We don't have the money. We don't have the foreign exchange. So if we can be able to invest in Nigeria and produce the better for all, so that there's also a lot of foreign exchange. So I think it's something we can do. But are we going to have the political way to do it? I cannot do. We'll see. And let's talk a little bit about health. And while the COVID-19 conversation seems to also be dying down, we seem to have other health challenges. It used to be a few weeks ago, a month ago, it was cholera. And now we're hearing about lasa fever. It's in the news this morning that lasa fever kills 77 in Edo under another's and there's 356 hospitalized. And this is the bottom right of the punch newspapers this morning. We always have that challenge. Just as one is going, definitely, under our report. It has always been like that across the globe, not just Nigeria. So we only have to be proactive. The right advantage is the freedom to stop health, the NCDC, the federal state government, the Ministry of Health. Because not just federal now, only the state government should also be able to put their antics when it comes to health issues. The Ministry of Health in the various states should be empowered and should be properly funded to handle issues like this. It is not everything you have to look for. The federal government cannot be everywhere. So if there's another outbreak of lasa fever in Edo state, what is the Edo state government doing? What is the Edo state ministry of health doing about it? The federal government can only complement the efforts of the state government. So if the state government are not doing what they're supposed to do, then there's a big problem there. So as I say, we always have this challenge. As one is being addressed of them. But we don't know. Let's also celebrate the fact that we've heard that there's going to be the malaria vaccine has been approved. Yes, so if they start rolling out, then we'll be able to help, especially in Africa, where we have close to about 80% or 90% most of the signals that the devil, Sahara, Africa is malaria. So if we can be able to get that away and it works, then it's also going to help in this way. But I think that the state government and various agencies of the state and the production movement will be measured. We have at the point, we know we became hollow free, but some time ago we heard again that there have been one or two places where we have a issue of hollow again. So this thing was always come up, but we also must have the necessary measures in place so that anytime we see them. And we continue also to ask netgears to be very, very proactive when it comes to the issue of hygiene. Because some of this thing is caused by environmental hazards, issues of not keeping the environment clean and the rest of them. So the days of woolly woolly, if you understand what I mean by that, the sanitary officers or sanitation officers that used to have in those days, should also be moving around to make sure that most of these places, that most of these departments are clean and well, so as to prevent some of these problems as it is. Alright, from my doorstep now, let's move to the southeast. And remember that we've spoken about this repeatedly. Because you're from the southeast, so of course it must be personal to you. And that is the Sitatom order in the southeast. It says on the punch still, Sitatom, gunshots, rock, anambra, a guard killed in Inugu, emo, grounded. Of course that's once again on a Monday yesterday. There's also a news report that I spoke about yesterday where one of the IPOB spokespersons, Chima something, had said that there was going to be a ban in the next six months of Fulani cattle in the southeast. And of course only Igbo cattle will be sold. So quickly share your thoughts on where we still are with regards to the IPOB and its agitation and how it's affecting the people of the southeast. I'm looking for that way that I'll be on the seat that you're not asking me about the Sitatom. Sitatom. Because you said that you're bringing that at the beginning or you're bringing that at my position. The position I've always remained the same. But what does that mean to me is that there's a statement about happy estate governor yesterday. Okay, see for example, probably you didn't see that a banker to give it more prominence I think in this money on yesterday. The governor had an incident and he spoke extensively on the issues at stake. And what I took out of that is I believe that there's need for there to be a dialogue between the government and the IPOB. He said that what is going on is now is beyond the control of the governors of the southeast. And he also believed that those that the so-called IPOB are not as dangerous as what those whatever is happening in the northeast are not west. Those are the words of the governor of our happy estate doctor, okay, the person. But as it were, don't forget that the southern southeast governors and leaders of thought met a few days ago and they came out with the resolution that enough is enough and they're going to do something about it. And that they sit at home or down with people to an end. How they're going to do that is what I don't know. But they're doing that also as I said in my former intervention that they said they're going to make sure that Abu Bakr the southeast security agency that the one that's a just like a multiple we're coming to this by the end of the year. How that is going to solve it. But what I feel that I've always said that it is connected between the government and the people of the southeast. Lack of confidence is the problem. If the people can be aware at rest and sure that they will come out and the lives and property will be saved by the government. But if they see that that will not happen then it's become an issue. So nobody wants to come out and get killed or get his property destroyed just because a government says it should come out and don't mind what the government says. And don't also forget the fact that Sinaito Aenea came out last week to say that it's not only iPod now that we have about 31 station groups in the southeast that are controlled of some of these things. So it might not be it's not by iPod. If you come to think of it if I can go by what Sinaito Aenea is there are some other people who are taking advantage of the situation to create a problem in the southeast and are the one causing most of these problems. But the problem is that at the end of it you see the blame on iPod. So I think there is a need for us that security challenges in the southeast and need this in the world. Just a few days ago, two soldiers were killed at a zombie in Imo State and by certain individuals. There was also a killing of another policeman or soldiers and then the navy came in and they were able to repair that attack. So the southeast is totally under siege. The economic situation of southeast collapsed and this is where I think the governments and governors have to come out and need this in the world as quickly as possible. But when you say if it's in the board what can they possibly do? And also what would you expect from the IPOB now seeing that this may have even gone beyond their control because I've really said it before that these continued sit at home, they know that it has zero effect on their cause zero effect also on releasing Namdi Kanu. But they're just really enjoying the euphoria of power and you're enjoying the feeling that it gives them, that it can really shut down most parts of the southeast on Monday they're enjoying it. I also agree that as many armed groups and persons in the southeast that have taken advantage of what's going on and the weak security infrastructure to just recover every Monday or whenever they choose and of course we will simply blame it on the IPOB. So what would you recommend is important at this time to ensure that the southeast gets some sense of normalcy again either from the IPOB or from the state governments? The IPOB have come out to say that it never asks people to stay at home any longer. That obviously is a very weak statement. I'm just telling you that the IPOB came out to issue that statement. I'm sure you also read that statement by the IPOB. What it means is that certain people are not taking advantage of the situation and that is where I think the government, I mentioned the governors and probably the IPOB should come together. You understand what I mean? Does it in any way seem to you that the statement the IPOB put out was really just for its sake? They still are enforcing the seat at home but every now and then when they are questioned they would refer to that statement and say but we've said that everybody should come out. Is there still a possibility that that's what's playing out? No, let me tell you is there any evidence to show that those people are members of IPOB? That is the narrative most of the time. Having to say people putting on police uniform I mean people putting on army uniform and ranking half up. So if I I want to believe IPOB what they said, if IPOB is going to do something they are doing it. There's nothing you can do to them. So what I'm saying is that since IPOB has set up an ECN it's an ESN. There the government of the societies and IPOB should be able to come together and make sure that they are able to arrest most of the so called miscrans that are causing this havoc. So the because it's on IPOB now and the government of the societies IPOB should be able to make sure and tell us that we are not behind this. How would they do that? By making sure that they be able to handle and secure the societies as it were and those that are taking advantage of the situation and make sure they arrest them and bring them to justice. That is the only way we can go about it. But if IPOB is not able to do that then the bad name will continue to equate them with what is happening in the societies. So it is if IPOB is saying that we are not part of this, we are not going then let them come out bravely to make sure that those behind this, I'm sure they can be able to handle that they will be able to make sure that they are arresting most of those people that are behind this and make sure that they are presiding with the other hand to security in this address. That is where I think there should be a synergy between IPOB the security agencies and all those state governments of the societies. They continue delay in doing some of this thing that you've mentioned. Do you agree that it continues to exposes more of the weakness of the political leadership in the southeast for a governor to come out and say this is now beyond our control and he is still governor. Pretty much the same thing with the rest of them. Does this also show that they as weak as the IPOB had declared them in the past? They are even weaker if you say they are weaker they are weaker than they were declared. The southwest you saw what was happening in the southwest and we are practically taking over the whole of southwest killing people, they moved to Ibadno and the rest of them people were being killed on their knees but the southwest governor came out and said enough is enough. We are going to do something about it. That has been reduced just in time. The governors of the sartries are not doing anything they continuously think there are various state capitals and talking nonsense of things that are going to be standard the southwest they wait for the police they wait for the army they wait for the navy if you drive from Lagos to Ibadno going to Gumball shore you will see a multiple at every point on the highway as the secret agencies can you see that in the sartries? So the sartries governors have totally failed the sartanas and that is why the people are staying at home because they cannot trust this government they cannot trust those that are starting with the responsibility of keeping themselves if they are if they believe in them they will be coming out on Mondays but if many of them go back to their shops and the rest of them will be destroyed what we would rather do my uncle called me from the villages he said my son that is how of our life that is how bad it is so we are talking now the governors are weak they are totally out they cannot the sartries can give an instruction and I will be keeping instruction the first they will listen to the sartries they will listen to the governor is that not on the shame it's a total shame it's really sad and of course this includes Ohanez and Dibo and you know every other form of leadership in the southeast is the same thing Ohanez has become a political tool in the hands of this governor the governor not detects Ohanez's word that's why you see whenever there is a meeting Ohanez would meet the governor and the rest of them Ohanez and Dibo the leadership have played into the hands of the governors and they cannot do anything without it because most of them support them and get this from the governors so who plays the pipa plays the tune So Ohanez to meet the largest and become the 2nd let's put the answer to say Well hopefully we get to speak with the former president general Nyao Udo sometime this week or later let's talk now about something that of course made discussions yesterday and that is one thing on the daily trust this morning says 2023 attempts to cause rift between Tinubu and Oshimbaju will fail and that's from the presidency presidency who are the people causing the rift well it's mostly you know those who have said that you know the vice president would like to run for president and at the same time of course you must have seen the little bits of campaigns here and there for his own shot at the presidency I'm just trying to be sarcastic I'm not trying to be sarcastic when I say who are the people causing the problem what the problem is coming from the camp of Ujmen it's not by any Nigeria it's coming from the camp of these politicians don't forget and the the whole list take us for a ride do you see me writing anything here and talking about the facts remains that it's about about 2023 the vice vice president came out yesterday to say that where it is the most and how you use the statement what he writes what he is best come out to say he is the best president Nigeria ever had and that's is that not disturbing to say that then he has also come out several times to also address but don't forget both of them have the right to contest both of them Oshibajo is enmity qualified to contest for the presidents Ashwajit Bulakme to Nubis also enmity qualified to contest for the presidents some of us have seen some of the things that Oshibajo did when he acted as president that should he has the capacity we have also seen some of the things that Ashwajit Bulakme has done as a former governor of Lagos state and also how to be able to rally support within the south west it was enthralling the president to become Nigeria's president in 2015 after four attempts so you can't have seen somebody of that nature that have the capacity so for me it is the level it is the APC that we decide who is going to be who is going to fly their flag in 2023 and don't forget APC have not come out here to say that the president has been has been set aside for a particular part of the country there is a debate both in the PDP and APC but it most likely they are going to come to the APC in the south even that of the PDP is still there so all sorts of conceptions coming up here but at the end of the video you might be surprised that somebody from from nowhere could just bring and pick the ticket so it is all about politicking and everybody think about Swagga if you have the Swagga don't forget that Swagga was there a few days ago when the president started to activate the presidential ambition of Ashwajikulat and have been seeing him making comment here and there but suppose we have to ask ourselves what they say yes we can be a godfather to there are some cases where people that want to remain as godfathers forever who determines who become everybody must not be president you can still be a godfather because the president rest of the show if at the end of it all Chinnugu decided to go for the presidency and Ashwajikulat said ok my leader I leave it for you all well and good if Chinnugu decided that oh my boy put an encode Ashwajikulat you have done enough as the first president why don't you take the justice seat all well and good at the end of it all is ABC that determines your candidate to be Nigerian that will enter presidency so irrespective of whatever anybody says whoever candidate become it is still Nigerians you and I that will decide who will be the president of Nigeria come 2023 it was very important to know what options exist before Nigerians go ahead to make that decision because that's where one of the challenges is of course yes the alternative will be you might just be surprised that someone are you sure that governor is not interested in becoming president in 2023 I heard that he might not be interested in becoming president in 2023 you understand what I'm trying to say anything can happen even with the PDP are you sure that Tamboa is not interested are you sure that Yesawika is not interested are you sure PTOB is not interested even Nathikulat has been talked about are you sure it's not interesting so it's just hostry day here and there at the end of it all the primaries is still next year I'm sure that I think around September October next year that is when you have the primaries or both APC and PDP to come up with their presidential candidate and which is why now what the political parties are trying to be is to realign themselves that is what is going on who is going to become the national chairman where that is going to come from the same thing will happen with APC who is going to become the national chairman whether that will determine where the presidential candidate will come from that is left to the same but what I think is that we don't need all this discussion now we still have about 2 years for this government to tidy up and deliver on promises we should not take our eyes off the ball let this government deliver all the promises it promised in Nigeria since 2013 most of them are not there and we assume that by 2023 they are not able to deliver or most of the things they promised in Nigeria that in this term is going to be the key points which we are going to examine who will become the president of Nigeria from 2023 I want us to go back to some of the things that I mentioned earlier and I brought up and I said I was going to come back to it's from one of the reactions to former governor Pitao B's interview yesterday where he of course made statements concerning the source of his wealth and of course how he had been very wealthy even before politics and politics even made him poorer of course he got a lot of reactions across the country but there were some that I found really interesting that I spoke about the person here that says it's annoying that he had to go and clear his name some people have questionable histories who drove bullion vans into their houses but have become the next messiah it says also when you are from certain sections of the country your kaftan has to be white and stainless before anyone considers you being worthy of presidency from other parts you could be a repented chequaw and you're good to go and that's what I was speaking about earlier that I want you to respond to do you think that we have equal standards set for people seeking political office in Nigeria? we don't have equal standards not only politics but in us that is why government is going after people and then most of the people that are causing the help of Indian authorities and not west are being left to just go on rampage killing people kidnapping children and the rest of them and even somebody that comes out of the daily basis that go into the session with them a minister and a prime minister those those agitating are the same and the same name with terrorists who are killing people so there's no equal standard in all aspects of our political, social and economic life and there's also as it's very present a case of lopsidedness in the appointment of he government officials in his cabinet so that's what you're asking about me to be I said it before that I don't care whoever names it comes up before it remains that bit of me has come out and shows the kind of leader he is to come out to clear his names so many other people that were mentioned have never come out to clear their names so that shows due to the integrity of the person and the issue but and it's a fact as you mentioned that there are some people that we know they are more corrupt that needs to be looked at and that is why I said that that publication is a bit lopsidedness because there are so many people that I know that should be in that list I don't know the reason why Premier Times and Pandora try to just focus on particular and so it is their right to their publication but we know there are instances where their names are mentioned Info they don't forget Info instances where top security heads were mentioned in certain in certain lights some of them that had several houses in Dubai then what did we do when they retired we also went ahead to appoint them as ambassadors to other countries and rest of them so but is neither here nor there for me we are focusing and that is what I think has done the right thing another person that is named should come out and defend themselves and not defend yourself or when I am going to be there maybe that this is the first and does this also tell with regards to the level of education in Nigeria and that basically has determined the standards with which we set for people seeking political office in the country is it a level of education challenge or is it really just bias based on political affiliations and religious and tribal affiliations I am asking does this tell really about the level of education across Nigeria as a electorate that makes them basically see certain things and ignore the red flags already or is it really just telling about the biases that exist with regards to religion and tribe and political affiliations across Nigeria as a electorate it's good to say it's become this good our issue as a political religion you know that those two to buy Nigerians when it becomes it becomes politically necessary for them they use religion they use politics, oh we are from this part of the country we are not political when you arrest somebody for corruption it's because I am from this part of the country when it comes to politics this is our own so we are able to put in it we are able to remove politics and ethnicity from our politics we continue to find ourselves where we are and it's a little reason that let me give you a practical example an average Igbo man has no problem with the average Yoruba man or Al-Sahman go to a key break you will see the Yoruba man you will see the Al-Sahman and Igbo man trading, buying things from each other leaving in harmony go to Ushobu the same thing go to the main heart of Kano you will see an Igbo man flourishing an average Igbo man flourishing go to Sapongari, you will see them there go to other parts of the you will see, if you meet Nigerians not Nigerians outside the country meet yourself anywhere, you see them bonding they don't have issues it is only our politicians and political elites that always bring up this number of ethnicism and religion to divide them because they know that those are the those are the things that pass them but socially you will see that an average Nigerian or Al-Sahman or Igbo man or Yoruba man or Afiq man or whatever you call it we always need in harmony so if some of this security were happening Hulani, Hezmen and the rest of them you will be shocked where most of this thing is coming from that young man you are seeing around with that culture it is not the one that owns those cultures it is owned by certain people, certain rich men they are the ones that arm them with AK-47 and the rest of them do those so to me I think it is efficient of making of the political elites to make sure that we are not united as Nigeria, especially those within the lower Kedah because once the lower Kedah are united in force they can be able to move mountains and they can do anything politically so what it means to bring in politics, bring in ethnicity bring in religion and what they can use that to define us and that is the end of it Mr. Chris one thank you very much I know that we extended the time a little bit this morning but thank you so much for your thoughts and for your time on the breakfast as always thank you very much, you too