 Alright guys, I'm hanging out with the Secretary-General, Ejia Kastevins Mwendo, and a journalist who's been in this industry for more than a decade. The OG they say, right? The OG. Yeah, the king of pubs and the stuff. I feel it good to have you or you to have me for that matter. I'm feeling good and bad at the same time. Great things have happened this morning where we had a sports and creative journalist being recognized by the government, the CS, sports, youth and the arts. And so I'm grateful that I have a gun on me but with so many other questions still raised. Now let's talk about Ejia Kastevins where you are a Secretary-General. What do you do there and what is actually the goal for this particular initiative we call it? Right, Ejia Kastevins means entertainment and arts, generalist associations of Kenya. Basically we are an umbrella body for journalists who practice the craft of arts. When you say arts, it's the area around music, fashion, talk about comedy, talk about all forms of art. And so whether you belong to a given main media house or a private practitioner, whether you run a blog or your own space, Ejia is a space for journalists who practice journalism and believe in the art of arts. Now for instance, I'm a journalist. I know I'm part of it, but for someone who wants to join, what is going to be the benefit for that? I think Ejia, what we are doing is first of all is to break the boundaries that have been existing in terms of media houses. Just you feeling that you belong just to a media house. You don't belong to a media house as a journalist. You belong to the world because your craft is meant for the world. And so the limitations that were there in terms of media houses pulling people back or people feel like they're being pulled back are now broken in the fact that we are all one voice. And I think the biggest benefit is that we are one voice. We can speak together on issues that affect the industry. We can speak together around the stakeholders in the industry. We put together forums, conferences, trainings that are about media guys that are on that space. At the same time pushing for scholarships, sponsorships for guys who are practicing their art. And also for those who are mature and who have been there long enough like me, we provide mentorship and you know direction just for the industry. Brilliant. Now Steve, you've just won an award, you know, courtesy of Talantahela. How does that you make you feel? One, I'm grateful to the ministry or the employee that we have. I think this was an eventful recognition for Stevens Mendo as somebody who has been a food for quite some time. I feel grateful that for the first time, for the first time, the government has recognized media. We always have like the media council awards and stuff where media in terms of artists, guys who are in the media and practicing the art of entertainment are hardly recognized and this is a first of its own. Today, I have seen so many sports journalists be recognized. I know able men and women in this space where I also practice who deserve to be recognized. We had the likes of George Orido who were here today. We had the likes of Boyle and so many other journalists who have been practicing their art for long. We have bloggers, you know, SPM who have been doing the most just to tell the arts as it is right now. Who are never recognized? I know we have posed that question through to the teams that we are doing that and I know we'll be able to get an answer because I know that we deserve more than we got today. For sure. Now Steve, congratulations of course for this award. Is there anything that is going to change after getting this? For me, it's just to keep grinding on. For me, as the SG, Ajak, is to probably just encourage more membership and more housekeeping matters in terms of let's know who is doing what where, let's work together as a team. The days when you just feel like you're scooping a story and somebody else does not have to have it are gone and I think we should work together as a body. What changes for me really is the perspective that even as a government recognizes media as one, Ajak and me as part of the team leadership, we should be able to work together as entertainment journalists across Kenya and across the world. Allow me to ask you this Steve, as someone who has reported for entertainment for the longest time, why are Kenyans listening to Tanzanian music as compared to Kenyan music? That's a very hard question. I'm also asking myself the same question. I would actually ask you the same question. I think Kenyans are very dynamic people. Kenyans are quite dynamic people and I think the choice of a eventual is left to that eventual. I think before what you say that Tanzanian music meant or created a dominance in Kenya, Kenyan music was actually doing very well before then and I think that many aspects that are played to this space when you just look at the players in it, when you think about the DJs who are pushing the music, when you think about the journalists who are telling their stories about the music, when you just think about the artists themselves and the fact that they should be having their management and housekeeping matters in terms of pushing their music. I think there's so many aspects that are bidefilling the Kenyan music industry and I think like it was the case today, stakeholders must come together and just think, why are we so impressed with what is out there and not really praising ourselves? I've been out in the clubs, a lot of Nigerian music for the last two years, a lot of Tanzanian music for last all ABCD and you just ask yourself, why are Kenyans jamming into this? It's what you are fading to. I think it's what you consume another day. All right, thank you so much, Stephen. Congratulation. Thank you so much and I appreciate you guys. Thank you. Thank you. Bye.