 We like the 1% focuses on individuals and entrepreneurs. And even though it's International Women's Day today, way less than 1% of women are ever on any sort of rich list. Joining me to discuss why this might be the case is a white male, J. Fidel, and an Asian female, Carol Monly. Good morning, Jay. Good morning, Carol. Good morning, Pauline. Otherwise known as the founder and president of Think Tech Hawaii and the executive vice president of Think Tech Hawaii. And Carol is a recent addition to this show because all my guests thus far, this is my last show for We Like the 1%, and my last show for Outside In was yesterday. So all of my guests just turned out it happened to be the case that they were male. So I thought, on International Women's Day, I should have a female guest, at least one. Today, we're going to discuss a little bit about the Me Too movement, a little bit because this is the show about individuals and entrepreneurs, a little bit about women and entrepreneurship and why it might be the case that when you look on, say, the Forbes list or any sort of rich list, most of the females listed on there will have inherited their wealth or it's because their father set up the business or their husband set up the business. It's very rare that you get a woman who is a self-made billionaire. So we know a lot of women go into law. They go into medicine. They're in the profession time. I think this is happening more and more, Pauline. Yes. I know, but still full numbers. You know, the chains are off. The chains are off and women can do CEO things on national companies, international companies. Every time you look, there's a woman being promoted to CEO of a national company. But we're going... Making ukubucks, by the way. But we're headed for the top, okay? This is the very top. This is serious things, oil and gas, large-scale manufacturing, mining, the serious things. It's happening. It's very slowly. It's getting there, but it's still a numbers game. So what I wanted to preface the show, I just wanted to bring up some ideas, not to cause a fence to anybody, but just to have a discussion about... I got two questions for you, Pauline. One is, you know, what is this 1%? You call the show, we like it the 1%. What does that mean? You didn't watch the promo? Nobody watched the promo. Nobody knew about you at the time, so it's time to repress everybody. It's the pro-individualist and pro-capitalist. So we focus on business people, and I'm interested in the 1%. Now the billionaire class is different. What is it? 1% of what? It's like some solution that Sherlock Holmes does, you know? Capitalism. Capitalism. People who are... The richest. The richest. The richest is 7 zeros and a 1. That's the 0, 0, 0, 1. That's the billionaire class. That's different. So the 1% are people who set up their own companies, are successful. What causes them to be successful? You're talking money or power. What are you talking about? Well, you should watch my shows. I don't know. I ask you all these questions. I can't stop everything. I think I got my answer. It's a little vague, my answer, but we'll go with that. Next question. Yes, to move. Second question. Okay. You called this what? Me Too Boo Hoo. Yes. So I don't... And as a white male? You have a question in your perception of what Me Too is, and then I like a discussion of what you mean. One of the parameters here in this show, if you're talking about Boo Hoo, Boo Hoo sounds like it's... You know, it's like, we're sorry about Me Too. Is that what it is? Yeah. Well, first of all, I don't really understand the Me Too movement. I don't know what it actually accomplishes. Now, I am a person with forward momentum. I like end results. I don't like wastes of time. So... Is she one of those women CEO people we've been hearing about? No, no, no. Was it answering a question? She's one of those women CEO people. The boohoo. The boohoo? She's going incognito, but we know her secret. Jay, we don't have a lot of time on the show. So the boohoo, to answer your question, the boohoo element is, I think it kind of fosters this scenario of victimhood, this social justice warrior playing the victim thing. I mean, the women are victims, and boohoo is the staple of a victim. I don't like drama, so I don't like people making a drama out of things. I wish they would just, whatever happened to you, because people came from all sorts of horrible circumstances in the past. Most people came to America, and they made a life for themselves. They worked very hard, and within a generation or two, they became middle class, an upper middle class, and their children became more prosperous than they were. So making a victim of yourself, or blaming your failures, or lack of being successful on some other entity, that is imaginary, or even if it did actually happen to you, you just move forward, right? I don't understand what this is accomplishing, because people have been aware of sexual harassment for a long time, but making a drama out of it, I don't know how it helps them. There's something really cynical in saying boohoo. What do you think, Carol? Well... Let her speak. Let the Asian females speak. Well, absolutely. There's been sexual harassment, sexual abuse, there's been gender discrimination, there's been racial discrimination, biases, forever. Yes. So what different movements do are create an awareness, and hopefully promote education and a change in behavior. So we started with, let's say, the civil rights movement in the 60s and 50s, right? So now here we are 50 plus years later. Civil rights movement. Because indeed, we as a community, as a country, are more aware of a lot of these issues. But do we actually see a major improvement in changes? And there'd be a lot of people in our country would say, no, things are not that much better than they were 50 years ago. So change is very slow. Sometimes you go forward, and you go backward, and it's the same thing, I think, with gender issues, with sexual harassment, with sexual abuse, with the word equality is kind of a misnomer, because really it's more about fairness, right? Equal opportunity for fairness. So again, the Me Too movement is just another opening of the door, creation of the awareness. It's not in and of itself, just because it was started by the awareness of the sexual abuse by one person, in this case, Harvey Weinstein, and his huge powers. It's not just limited to women and entertainment and big, powerful men. It happens every single day. Of course. Now, my thinking behind it is, and thank you for giving your perspective on that, my thinking is, before we get to Harvey Weinstein on the Potted Plant and all that sort of thing, I wanted to highlight a few characteristics that are noticeable, and there are some YouTube channels that actually people can go to, such as Migtau. This is men going their own way, which I find very entertaining. It does bring into light some characteristics of the differences between men and women and how they operate in business. And one of the things that I agree with, actually, is if you have a scenario, or let's say a female is, was being harassed or is being harassed, then I think if you're really successful or talented or really want to do what you want, you will become successful somehow. It's how badly the person wants it. And I always was curious as to know why women don't form organizations with each other. They don't seem to be able to coagulate as easily as men can, and the example- Maybe they're in the context of a business organization. I don't know any others. I'm not in the medical field. A lot of women's organizations around the country. Yeah, sure. They're organizations, but in my experience, I'm just talking from my experience. I can't speak for Carol's experience or other female's experience. And other females might have the same experiences I have encountered. I work mostly with men because a lot of things I'm engaged with are scientific, and that's not to say women aren't in science, but it's a numbers game. There are far more men in scientific areas than women, and that's just a fact, okay? I'm not saying there isn't a capacity, it's just as things are at the moment, that is a fact. Now, what I notice, and this is an expression that is sometimes used, and this is the tagline I used for the show, is that women can't form phalanx. And a lot of people don't know what that means. So phalanx is a military formation, and this was devised by the ancient Greeks. And what it was in the ancient Greek formation was a rectangle, and every Greek soldier had a spear and a shield. And what happens in a phalanx is that they lock shields and point the spears against a common enemy. And the metaphor in the corporate environment for that, when you say women can't form phalanx, it means a man can be jealous, men can be jealous and competitive with other males. But when there is a crucial issue that affects the business, they'll forget about that, they'll wipe it out of their minds and unite together to meet a certain objective. I don't think, and I'm only speaking from my experience, that women can do that as easily. They don't seem to get along as easily because they have various passive aggressive behaviors that I've observed. I like to be, I'm a direct person, so I like people to be up front with me if there's something wrong. Men seem to be more easily able to do that in my experience, whereas women, they sort of go behind your back, and I don't like that kind of behavior. Are you conflating all cultures in the world here? No. European culture? European culture? American? What? I think it depends on, it always depends on the person, and I keep repeating myself. It's only in my experience that whatever these YouTube channels, like men going their own way, are pointing out, I'm saying I agree with some of the things they're saying, they're all wrong. Because I don't like this anti-male movement that's going on. I think if women want to be successful, let them form alliances with each other if they're being stopped. But I don't think anybody's technically stopping anyone. I think they're blaming somebody else for their failure. Can I investigate with you guys how the Me Too movement started? Women's lib has been around, as you mentioned, Carlson, since the 60s. Hero women who wrote books and made speeches, and it did catch fire. I mean, it was a big strain in American awareness. I'm not sure how much effect it had, but I think it had some effect over the years. Definitely. People insisted on it, and it still exists. It existed until, and I would say it existed until the birth of the Me Too movement, which I'll throw out a thought to you. The Me Too movement was born on January 20th, 2017. It had a lot to do with Donald Trump and his inauguration and the women's march that took place at that time. It was a reawakening, a re-packaging, somehow, of women's lib in general. It was another, you know, before Harvey Weinstein, too, before him, way before him. And I think it caught on because Trump is a misogynist, and he doesn't like women much, actually, and remember the bus, don't forget the bus. And so I think women were getting together on this, and it was a movement waiting for an iconic event, and presto Harvey, okay? The party plans. Now it pops right out, okay? And then it expands from that. I mean, I would like your view of this in terms of the dynamic of what happened. So Harvey comes, and that was plain and simple sexual harassment in the old-fashioned classical sense, you know, that we have all heard about, but maybe we don't have too much about it. We don't know people necessarily who would tell us that they were involved in such incidents. Now it's an emancipation of the information about those incidents, okay? And it started out with Harvey, and it went from Harvey to a whole re-examination, if you will, of the relationship and culture between men and women in this country, and as it works out around the world. You know, I went to Australia. This issue exists in Australia. It must exist everywhere now. It does exist. Harvey has had a profound effect on the issue around the world, and that is interesting. The thing is it didn't just start with Harvey. Of course it's been around forever, but you recall Bill Cosby, Roger Ailes. There have been a number of people in the media that have been affected. It's just that no one at his level, at Harvey Weinstein's level, with his power, his notoriety, his wealth, finally getting caught. And so that's what I think caught the attention. Whether Ailes and Bill Cosby, O'Reilly, Fox News, whatever, that was before. So this is all waiting to happen. It was catalytic what happened with Harvey Weinstein. Just to play a little bit of a devil's advocate, I understand what Harvey Weinstein did was wrong, obviously. That's very clear. However, I'm curious about the women going into the hotel room for a business meeting. I find that very peculiar, unless the woman is particularly naive. I would never have a business meeting in a man's hotel room. These were young women in their twenties. There's always an excuse. See, there's always an excuse. And in the ancient world, in ancient Rome, in ancient Japan, acting, the profession of acting has always been associated with prostitution. I mean, this is not something new. The upper classes in ancient Rome, the patricians were horrified when Nero or some other emperor, they wanted to act on stage, because that was something only lower class peasants did. And the acting, if you say you're an artist, even in some cultures in the upper circles today, if you say you're an artist or an actor or an actress, that means you're a person with loose morals. So it's always been the case. The case in America? I'm just saying there's a problem. No, because everybody wants to be famous here, and that's very shallow. Well, I don't want to disagree with that, too. But I can't generalize and say that just because you're a young actor or an actress, and you choose to have a meeting with somebody who is powerful, who has a great possible influence over your career, in and of itself means that you are opening yourselves up to sexual criticism. But you're correcting that they're young, and I would add to that naive, because if you study, if you look at people who are fascinated by the areas of acting, because it's escapism, it's not being yourself. You're being somebody else. And people who are fascinated by psychology or the study of psychology, they tend to be very insecure and damaged people. OK, I don't agree with that. I want to clarify one thing. Most people are aware of that. You're creating this kind of uniform scenario. And in fact, every scenario is different. Every one of these sexual harassment guys is different. Their MOs are different. And the women who were snared in the sexual harassment, they were different. They were there for different reasons. Some of them were completely victims. And they were snared against their will, absolutely against their will. And whether it was rape or just harassment without rape, they were brought into it against their will. And they could have avoided it, but they didn't avoid it. And then you get the other kind who may have suspected there was something in that hotel room. Well, who may have actually wanted to seduce them. Yes. There's a range. And there are men who want to seduce women. There's a wide range of possibilities of scenarios. We should not characterize them as a single uniform experience. It's just an observation I've made about people who are fascinated by acting and wanting to be famous and interested in psychology. There's a little pattern. Here, a title about women and the phalanx. And I wanted to ask you in Greece, were those all men who were in the Greek army? Of course. The women had some power. But in the army, I mean, physically men are stronger. Yes, exactly. So therefore, the measure of how the phalanx should work is based on white, because they are Greek men. So their measure of success is based on how that phalanx works. And yet women could have come to a different way of measuring success or winning the war that didn't include this phalanx. It could have been some other. The phalanx I was using. You don't have to have a phalanx. The phalanx I was using as a metaphor for how women and men behave differently in a corporate and pressure-filled environment. And the thing I'm angered about what's happening is this anti-male movement, which if men are too busy moving civilization forward, they're not busy trying to stop something. What is the anti-male movement? Well, it seems my perception is that this me too is part of this hatred of men. While things go wrong, they're very sexual. You know that is just a further expression of women's live. You think it's more than that. I think it's a little bit more than that. And there are various YouTube channels by men who are expressing this. That's all I'm bringing to light, because you don't hear the other side sometimes. So I'm just, I'm not saying I agree with everything. It's just an observation I'm making. And you know, it seems to be divisive. It seems to be separating men and women. It's just a little bit of a divisiveness. And I'm protective of Jay as a white male to make sure that he doesn't get harmed in all of this. And what I see though, and I and Carol, and the reality, what I see is that as in every major seismic change, sometimes we overreact. And one, if the center is the right place to be, and we've always been too far to one direction, which is too much sexism, too much racial biases and discrimination, right now, maybe we're in a position where we have overcompensated, and now where we should be where men and women, black, white, red race, old and young, disabled and fully capable of functioning, be equally treated or fairly treated, we're not there right now, because we're compensating too much on the other side. And in this case, that means that the white male who has been mostly the perpetrators in these sexual harassment cases that have come up have been negatively affected. I'm sure other kind of men perpetrate sexual harassment. And I think we'll come back to the center. I think that's my point. That's very interesting approach. I would like you to come back to the center. And we have a social disruption here. Exactly. And this disruption, as any good and valid social disruption, it goes too far sometimes. It doesn't go far enough other times. It's self-disruptive, isn't it? So my question, and really, I think you need to cover this as the host of this discussion, Pauline, is what has happened since Harvey? In fact, what has happened since January 20th? I don't see much change, actually. What is the dynamic? Well, no, I think there ought to be a lot of change going on. The different scenarios are popping up. What? Women who were not at all in the kind of spiderweb that Harvey Weinstein has created in his studio and all that. Women who have not been nearly as much harassed, if you will, have come forward. When we say, me too, we're finding people who've now recently come forward, who we would not have considered in the Harvey Weinstein scenario. Well, let's talk about the Dr. Nasser, Larry Nasser. The gymnast who abused women. And now we know young men athletes. So where years ago, and obviously, they kept silent all these years, thinking perhaps it was their fault. It was too shameful here. It was this person, this doctor who was well known and admired. How could he be doing something wrong? So finally, a movement like me, too, gives them the sense of, my voice is worth hearing. I have confidence in what I actually feel. And it gives them that strength to go for it. Is that bad? No, that's good. The doctor is a good example. But we also have to be aware of women who are doing this for attention-seeking and doing false claims. You have to always be on the other side of the spectrum. It's a rainbow. They're not all telling the truth. But it's true in everything. So we have lots of different scenarios going on. So I would suggest to you guys that there is a dynamic happening. The dynamic started arguably in the expansion of this whole motion on January 20th, largely because of Trump. Trump is still in office and still doing things. He's never been brought to the carpet on this issue, right? Never. And I think a lot of women are playing him out as a proxy. This is a proxy for going after Trump. This is their way of expressing the issue that he is not resolving. And there are other proxies, other situations, like this that are similar, including white supremacy and all those things that he has created. So there's a dynamic. And what I'm really asking is, where is this dynamic going? Is it going to be spent soon? Because the press moves on. And distraction distracts distraction. So at the end of the day, are we going to be having this conversation in 60 days or 90 days, or will something else come up that marginalizes it? Will it go under the waves? And I really don't have the sense that this is a permanent kind of fixture. I have the sense that this is something that will last a certain ephemeral length of time, and then we'll have some other distraction. But I would like to think that it has seeped down to a next level, which is you find now businesses, corporations, small employees, employers are doing education. Self-reflection, what have we been doing that has caused this situation? What can we change? How can we educate not just the women, but the women and the men and their customers and the relationships and their policies and everything? So I think that is good. And that change, even though it might be very slow, and there might be times where it goes backwards, it's moving forward. Yeah, but perhaps it's the approach. Because I, by and large, deal mostly with professional men. And the people who have caused most problems to me are other women. So there's that scenario as well. And that's my experience. That's been my experience. And your experience is different. So do you want to tell people a little bit about that? As I said, I came of age in the 60s and 70s. I went to law school in 70s when there were 15% women in my class. When I moved to Hawaii, I was the first president of an organization called Hawaii Women Lawyers. And that organization still is in existence. Our goal is actually someday to be not necessary, because we don't have Hawaii men lawyers. We have Hawaii women lawyers because there's been a need to have an organization that represents women to promote women as judges, as partners, as department cabinet heads. And we've done all that. We go and testify. And we bring applications for it. And we promote opportunities for women to develop leadership. You're talking about a motion, a movement, rather, that has existed for 50 years or 60. And it has certain traction. And you've been actually, in this state, you've been an important person in all of that. But that's not what happened on January 20th. And it's not what happened with Harvey Weinstein and his progeny. What's happened is that raw sex got involved here, raw sex. I mean, you can say power and sex is all the same, but it's not. The reality is, just like in Spotlight and the Catholic Church, and those young boys and the priests and all that stuff, which is still a terrible still going on and still being discovered. And I suppose the change, if we're looking for seed changes, is that people are less reluctant to come forward. And that's something. But bottom line is, I think there's a distinction between the women's liberation movement, equality of women, fair pay, and whatever it is in corporate life. You're talking about corporate life and the phalanx issue and all that. Reality is, this is about sex. This is about inappropriate sexual conduct. And that is almost like another discussion. Yes, it is. So that's the me too part. So the other discussion, because we want to talk about female entrepreneurship, is that one of the things I wanted to combine these concepts is because I get annoyed when it's almost as if, and Bill Burr, the comedian, talks about this a lot, it's almost as if women, they kind of are insulting or say something or they're not responsible for the actions. They kind of regress into being a little girl. So what I noticed is that they asked Elon Musk. They said, where did you learn how to design a rocket? He said, well, I went to the library and I read a book about rockets and I designed a rocket. So it's not as if there's a boogeyman that's stopping women from doing what they want. Women have been left alone for decades now, but I don't see a lot of them going to the library and learning how to design a rocket. It doesn't seem to be the hard wiring in most females. I'd say in a smaller percentage of females, yes, that exists and you shouldn't stop those people. But forcing- Is that your definition of success? But no, I'm just giving an example. I'm just giving an example of Elon Musk. Somehow, because in my observation, and you might disagree, but a lot of people have come to the conclusion the best chefs are male. The best, it seems like the men have a creative force that the women lack. My subject is freemasonry. Women are freemasons as well in certain jurisdictions, but they didn't invent their own ritual. They just copy the male one. So this has been my observation that, number one, nobody's stopping technically people from doing anything. If you really want to do something, you will make it happen. And the other thing is there is a lack of a creativity. There seem to appear to be some things that the male has naturally and the female has other characteristics that might be useful, but it's not the same as the males. That's all I'm saying. But are you basing a value judgment on which is better? No, I'm not saying one is better than the other. I'm just saying to force women, we need more women in oil and gas. Well, I don't think they're interested in heading up oil and gas companies. There may be a few, though. Okay, that's fine, but there are a few. It's not the vast majority of the female population that wants it. What's it got to do with the Me Too movement? Oh, we've shifted the subject. I'm going into the entrepreneurship, as I mentioned before I did it. So... Well, but that's not the show here today, is it, Pauline? Oh, well, it's the combination of it, because of the theme of the show. Because to me, that is an underlying process, an underlying movement that's been happening and there are fits and starts and there's progress and maybe not so much. But what we really have, the news of the moment, if you will, the one that pops up on the front page is not about that. It's about inappropriate sexual conduct. And I think the discussion there is more about the difference between men and women about our culture, how we are brought up in our culture, how we are taught to think about sex, both sides, and how we express ourselves in the frustration of not being able to realize the biological implications, impulses of our sexual gender. And I think it's also the presentation of it, because if you have women wearing pussy hats and dressing up like vaginas, I think men just laugh at that and think they're silly. And sometimes there's a contradiction in the behavior where if Ali Reisman, she was abused by this doctor and then she poses nude, it confuses men when women do things like that because, you know, men think a particular way. It's a mixed signal, isn't it? It's a mixed signal and men get really confused by those mixed signals and that's all I'm saying. And unfortunately we don't have more time to go into this, but maybe we can pick it up on next year's International Women's Day. Hold that thought. Thank you, white male and Asian female for being my guest. So we're politically correct somewhat on this show. And this is my last show for this year on We Like the 1% and I'll see you next year for more of We Like the 1% every Thursday at 11 a.m. Until then, safe travels and aloha.