 Yes, okay. So Nicky, could you just tell us briefly how this book project got started? Okay, yeah, sure. So Berry Treasures is actually a project that came out from the Council of Indigenous People which was a two-year grant to document Taiwan Indigenous archives that are held here at SOAS. And what did you find particularly interesting in doing this project? It's just the breadth of material that actually does exist on Taiwan. So not just on Taiwan but actually on Indigenous people itself. So a lot of the archives have already been cataloged specifically for Taiwan. So if you go through the search engine in type Taiwan you do get a list of archives. However, obviously material that relates to Taiwan Indigenous people had not been cataloged as a separate entry. So one of the things that perhaps interested me the most was just the amount of material that we have that pertain to the Indigenous people. And how difficult did you find putting this book together? Because it is your fourth book. And if you compare it to your earlier publications was it more challenging in any way? I think so because the project in many ways was a two-fold project. One was to catalog the archive and that was quite an extensive work. And I was quite fortunate that it was at the same period of which I was teaching here. So I was able to kind of draw on certain support from the student bodies and helping to kind of identify the archive. I think without that support the project would have been a bit more difficult to have achieved. But of course the previous project book project that I was working on here for the first two years of this kind of term that I was here was to catalog the archives that related to the Presbyterian Church. So this really was kind of an opportunity to move out of one collection here so as to kind of explore some of the other collections. And that I found particularly interesting, particularly with regards to NGOs and other campaign groups and that material they had on Taiwan I found particularly interesting. And when you're going through the archives were there any kind of particular surprises that you weren't expecting to find? I think the biggest surprise was the map collection. I prior to coming obviously to the UK when I was living and doing my postgraduate studies in Taiwan was that I became quite familiar with Nantien which is the publishing company in Taiwan and they have quite an extensive map collection. And if I'm honest with you I thought that was probably kind of it that any kind of map on Taiwan was kind of known to Nantien. But what I found particularly interesting was actually the map collection here at SOAS which was actually before I wasn't aware that it exists. So parts of that collection that map collection are in the book itself. And if people would like to buy the book how can they actually get hold of it? What's the best method? If that's interesting I found it in S-Lite bookshop when in Taiwan. So I mean it's readily available through online means. I think Amazon would have it. But however if anyone is at the book launch tonight I've actually got it as a discount rate. Probably won't help for the video but I'll defer it. That's good yeah I mean one of the things I always I'm always impressed is when I go to Chunping to Aisleet they're much more likely to have more likely to have your books than mine. I guess you took the cost price. Ah yes that could be. So what is the rough price? I think it's around 20-25 pound at the norm of I think about 1,200 NT which I think is about 20-20 pounds now. A good price for a hardback. Okay let's finish there.