 10 ysbryd yn y plos CV Africa, oed yn siarad ar eich cyffredin yn ddweud i ddefnyddio'r i perthegol cyfnodau ein rhai. Mae wnaeth hynny'r cyffredin iawn i'r cyffredin iawn i dyfnyddio'r cyffredin iawn i'w ddweud nawr, sy'n gyda'r gydderifonau y Cymraeg Cymraeg a Fydoedd, o'r cyfryd hwnnw i'r cwmplau dda 30%. 5% ar y cyffredin iawn i gael mae eich cyffredin iawn i gael uch gyda'r ystafell ar gweithio mewn digon a wrth gwrth ein bwysig i fynd i chi i fynd i gweithio agmaelol yr ystafell ar gyfer y cyllid iawn Ac yn tardeu'r dgylcheddol o'r dynatys yw ddyddau'r regle ar gyfer y gofeyl yw bod ar erioed adeiladau hyf, fydd yw cynhyrchu'n gweithio ar arlaeddau gan gyrdd y ffrindol ei gweithfeydd o'r dynatys The Just is out that the national gender policy is not merely a policy statement, but one that must be packed with request action on the part of the government. He said that the 35% affirmative action which entails a pointy position for women to ensure inclusivity must not be merely on paper as Niger is signatory to the international treaty, particularly to those entrenching the rights of women. of women and joining us this morning is Fumi Ayola. It's good to have you join us. All right, so let's get to the crux of this. We understand that I mean the 35% affirmative action is something that's been put out prior to this time and we haven't been very great with implementation. Now you have the court ordering the government to obey you know the 35% affirmative action. What differences this make? I mean does it change anything? We seem to have a big and a huge challenge with obeying laws and implementing policies. I mean Nigeria is a member of UA. We have ratified all these bills that have been ratified by UA. Nigeria is, we have a gender policy, national gender policy that already has all these things. All these bills and all these policies already in place and then we have to go to court to enforce it. I'm really wondering if the government is the one to use that. They're serious about all these policies you know. So we have the policies in place. There's no reason for us to go to court to enforce it. So there's no guarantee that the government will even listen to the courts for their own policies. They are not even attending to them. But trying to make sense out of all of this we have been part of these treaties for you know a long time and we you know celebrate the international women's day every March the age. This year was a bit extreme because in the wake of all of that that's when the House of the National Assembly rejected those gender based bills and women had to take to the street in protest you know to bring the government you know to do the right thing. But my question right now is that why is it that this law or this issue rather that has been on for a while doesn't seem to want to see the end be. Is it a thing that the men or whoever don't want women you know to play side by side with them or what are the general issues really. Honestly don't think this is a men issue. I think it's more of a women issue. We're protesting against you. We're protesting for these three bills 35% of affirmative action. All this we're protesting for. What we should be protesting for really is for the treaties and the policies for them to be acknowledged. That's what we should be protesting for. We're protesting for the wrong things and if you ask me the women. Women are going to point where we're not supporting ourselves. Women were supporting women. Look at the election. We have 47% women voters. But women of the voters in Nigeria are women and we only have nine members in the House of Seniors. They said despite there's something wrong. We're not taking advantage of the power that we are. We're too busy being against each other instead of supporting each other. Women have to get to point where they're supporting each other for them to get value. That's what I think personally. Okay so but don't you think that this might not necessarily be the fact that women might be fighting against women but the fact that it might just be a cultural thing. Now over time we understand how culture and religion has played very great. I mean you have some religions saying women are not supposed to speak in gatherings and then you have you know some culture that does not even allow women. They're not supposed to be seen you know and they're not supposed to be out there. So don't you think that we have to take it's a battle that has to be oh I'm calling it a battle. It's something that has to be you know resolved by looking at the cultural bias and the religious differences that we have and maybe we don't have to have a court order because like you have rightly mentioned why do we need to have a court order asking the government to obey this. It just means that we don't even believe in it. My question first question is who are the post-students of culture? Women basically are the post-students of culture. They are the ones who pass culture down from generation to generation. So the major problem here is the culture says a man should not do house chores and we passed it down from generation to generation to generation. I was talking to a seven-year-old boy recently on international women's day. I said to him when he got home going to the kitchen for mommy he says of course you know that when he entered the house and sit in the sitting room and put my leg up and I'm like who taught you that he said daddy. So here we are. It's a cultural, the post-students of culture are the women. We are the ones who will begin to understand that culture doesn't favor us, it hasn't favor us and begin to train, it might be tough to change this generation but begin to train the next generation on what is right and what isn't. We are the ones requesting ourselves. We are looking for validation, always looking for validation from the man. I don't understand that. No but I mean can you blame the people, can you blame the women who have constantly looked for validation because this is a culture that has been very predominant over time and so what you are probably proposing is a counterculture and it might really take a lot of time because it has become a norm, it has become a behaviour like you have mentioned. A lot of people just, I mean you have the fact that several gender don't think in this direction. So I don't know how effective, that's my question. How effective would this be for us? It's the question because if we're unable to set the mindset or have a reorientation with the entire community, how then do we come to a point of acceptance and where people begin to believe this and begin to change differently without having a court order. So basically my question is how effective do you think the court order will be for us? Honestly, I'm very doubtful that the court order will either make any middle changes. I don't think that the court order will make any middle changes. It's the women that will make the change. We're protesting, yes. I'll give you an example. Rwanda, 60% of the political class of Rwanda are women and that was necessary because of the genocide that killed most of the men. But look at Rwanda today. With the 60% women in politics, they are particularly the most outstanding nation in Africa that they're doing. Everybody is going to Rwanda to go and learn how they got from A to Z so fast and it's one of their, one of the reasons is because they have women in their house, in their, in the politics, 60%, they have 60% women. So the truth of Rwanda is that we need to understand the importance of women in political positions, in ministerial positions, in even religious positions. We need to understand the importance of women. We have this culture and religion to cover women too much and we women need to understand our importance and until we begin to understand our importance, we're not going to go too far. All right, before we'll let you go now, Mrs Ayula, let's get the final, you know, talk on this particular discourse now. What the court haven't affirmed, haven't affirmed on this 35% affirmative action. So what is next for the women in as much as you don't believe that it might be implemented now? So what are we looking at seeing the next couple of weeks, months after this? What's your next move? Okay, so my prayer is that this protest has generated a lot of, I'm looking for the right word to use, a lot of attention from the women and finally we're learning that there's something wrong here, you know, and we begin to build that comradeship, that unity. You know, I'm hopeful that over the years that the, that unity will be able to build on it and we will build on it, you know, and begin to push ourselves out and support ourselves even more so that we can, I'm looking for the right words to give me, so that we can begin to realise that we have more power than we think we are and begin to make use of the power that we have. That's my hope, you know, as a falling out from the court action. All right, thank you so much. Indeed, we have been speaking with Mrs Fumi Ayola. She is a politician, a business analyst and the whole lot of faith that she has on her cap. Well, thank you so much for sharing your thought on this issue with us this morning. Thank you very much. It's nice being with you. All right, and that's the size of the show for this Monday morning. We must say a very big thank you to all of you who have sat back to watch our return again 7am tomorrow. My name is Justin Acadone. Thank you so much.